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[23:48:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Evidence of "Swimmer's Ear" Found in Neanderthals [Repost] - http://sylnt.us - pardon?
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[22:07:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Attackers Try to Evade Defenses With Smaller DDoS Floods, Probes - http://sylnt.us
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[20:37:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Europe Has The Untapped Onshore Capacity To Meet Global Energy Demand [Repost] - http://sylnt.us - finally-hookers-and-blow
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[19:37:46] <Bytram> nod nod thanks!
[19:37:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it's the revolver round that blows a way bigger hole than a .38 but shares the same brass diameter. .357 pistols can shoot .38 shells as well but not vice versa.
[19:35:46] <Bytram> Ain't that some kind of varmint rifle? Or is that a .257?
[19:35:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'right. i'm a magnum guy.
[19:35:20] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 357
[19:35:20] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ And another thanks!
[19:34:53] <upstart> ^ 03Dev.SN: Dev.SN &hearts developers
[19:34:51] <Bytram> whereto? https://dev.soylentnews.org
[19:34:13] <MrPlow> https://www.mayoclinic.org - "A neti pot is a container designed to rinse debris or mucus from your nasal cavity. You might use a neti pot to treat symptoms of nasal allergies, sinus problems ..."
[19:34:12] <Bytram> #g neti pitcher
[19:34:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> there's a bunch of "cowfiles" that it can use.
[19:33:56] <Bytram> Just had someone recommend one of these:
[19:33:34] <Bytram> good good.
[19:33:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> not especially but i took some excedrin instead of random gas station cold medicine so i should at least be able to remain conscious and in less pain.
[19:33:06] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: lol!
[19:32:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> Cowth Vader
[19:32:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> || ||
[19:32:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> ||-----w||
[19:32:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> ## )\/\
[19:32:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> dev lives.
[19:32:43] <AndyTheAbsurd> \ /./=\.\______
[19:32:41] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Hope your sinuses are feeling better.
[19:32:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> \ !oYo!
[19:32:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> \ ,-^-.
[19:32:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> -----------
[19:32:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> < See? Fun! >
[19:32:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> ___________
[19:32:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm in front of one of those, but on a Vultr.com CentOS Linux box.
[19:32:01] <Bytram> but see above for the deal I just got. Am wondering if I should go back for another one or two for spares.
[19:31:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, duh. dev needs an nginx restart
[19:31:23] <Bytram> atm I'm on a Win 7 Pro x64
[19:31:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> (and that gets even better if you look at the man page for cowsay.) :)
[19:30:36] <AndyTheAbsurd> if you're on a Unix box and using irssi, you can install install cowsay and use /exec - -o cowsay Your text here
[19:30:20] <Bytram> that's another one of the spam accounts
[19:30:03] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 8390, owned by Testerfws
[19:30:03] <Bytram> !uid
[19:30:03] <AndyTheAbsurd> no problem
[19:29:54] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: Ahhh, I see what I did wrong. Thanks!
[19:29:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> we don't upgrade perl
[19:29:13] <exec> || ||
[19:29:12] <Bytram> Which would suggest an issue with Perl release. Very Not Fun.
[19:29:12] <exec> ||----w |
[19:29:11] <exec> (__)\ )\/\
[19:29:10] <exec> \ (oo)\_______
[19:29:10] <exec> \ ^__^
[19:29:10] <exec> -------------------
[19:29:10] <exec> < something changed >
[19:29:10] <exec> ___________________
[19:29:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~cowsay something changed
[19:28:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[19:28:24] <Bytram> are you saying the code has not changed?
[19:27:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh. broke perl code that wasn't broke last time i bounced dev and hasn't changed
[19:27:57] <Bytram> ~moosay some text
[19:27:42] <exec> ..."Have you mooed today?"...
[19:27:41] <exec> ~~ ~~
[19:27:40] <exec> * /\---/\
[19:27:40] <exec> / | ||
[19:27:40] <exec> /------\/
[19:27:40] <exec> (oo)
[19:27:40] <exec> (__)
[19:27:39] <Bytram> ~moo ~blame
[19:27:31] <Bytram> ~moosay ~blame
[19:27:10] <Bytram> Good batteries, just need an AC adapter for each. No drive caddy, but can boot from a USB drive, so no biggee there.
[19:26:25] <Bytram> So I put the first two back and grabbed two of the 6410s.
[19:26:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, sumpin's wrong with dev on top of normal brokeness
[19:26:06] <Bytram> Only $25 each? Not bad! I grabbed 2 of 'em. Then, I happened to look on the other side of the shelves... and saw a half dozen Latitude 6410s with 4GB RAM and i5 procs.
[19:26:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. could.
[19:24:58] <Bytram> On a positive note, I stopped by Goodwill on a lark today. Had seen some ancient desktop boxes there over the years. Today they had a half dozen Dell Latitude 5400s. Core 2 Duo with 2GB RAM and no hard drive or power adapter. Hey! I currently use a Latitude 6400 Core 2 duo as my main box. Could get one or two to run linux, etc.
[19:24:08] <Bytram> So all the dominoes fell down and need to be started up again from scratch.
[19:22:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> no. more like when the backend for mysql goes down fro prod, it also goes down for dev. which freaks mysql out, which freaks apache out, which freaks varnish out. all then need restarted regardless of prod or dev. bounce only restarts varnish and apache.
[19:21:38] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 356
[19:21:38] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ Belated thanks for restoring the SN world this AM
[19:21:08] <Bytram> Ahh, that makes sense. So, I get the concept. Much like your bounce script takes care of, just talking to a different DB?
[19:20:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> means mysql and apache and varnish need restarted or it won't work
[19:20:02] <Bytram> but it does not seem to be responding?
[19:19:47] <Bytram> hmmm, okaaay
[19:19:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, it uses the same ndb as prod, just a different database thereon.
[19:18:49] <Bytram> looks like we lost dev along the way. :/
[19:18:31] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[19:18:29] <Bytram> Whereto? https://soylentnews.org
[19:18:21] <Bytram> Whereto? https://dev.soylentnews.org
[19:06:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Cerberus Android Banker Uses Pedometer to Avoid Analysis [Repost] - http://sylnt.us - stepping-up-their-game
[19:04:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, cold medicine almost worn off. it's possible i'll be awake in an hour or so. unless i'm dreaming this.
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[17:36:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Evidence Highlights Growing Urban Water Crisis [Repost] - http://sylnt.us - I-would-like-to-be-able-to-drink-to-that
[17:26:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Giant Penguin Fossil Found in New Zealand [Repost] - http://sylnt.us - the-original-Big-Bird
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[16:07:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Giant Penguin Fossil Found in New Zealand - http://sylnt.us - the-original-Big-Bird
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[15:26:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Will Need Taller Fairings to Compete for U.S. Air Force Launch Contracts [Repost] - http://sylnt.us - fair-stretch
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[15:02:38] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Researchers: Cloud Services Compromise Mobile Apps" (8 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:02:16] <upstart> Submitting "Researchers: Cloud Services Compromise Mobile Apps"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com:443 )
[15:02:13] <SoyCow7671> =submit https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com
[15:02:10] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "New Allegations: Capital One Suspect Stole From 30+ Organizations" (11 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:01:48] <upstart> Submitting "New Allegations: Capital One Suspect Stole From 30+ Organizations"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com:443 )
[15:01:45] <SoyCow7671> =submit https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com
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[14:45:21] <Bytram> back
[14:36:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Will Need Taller Fairings to Compete for U.S. Air Force Launch Contracts - http://sylnt.us - fair-stretch
[14:34:30] <Bytram> afk biab
[14:34:19] Bytram changed topic of #Soylent to: UPDATE (20190815_143128 UTC) Site WAS down and was restored from most recent backups; some stories and comments were, therefore, unfortunately lost. Things *seem* to be running okay. We apologize for the loss and inconvenience.
[14:33:53] Bytram changed topic of #Soylent to: 20190815_143128 UTC Site WAS down and was restored from most recent backups; some stories and comments were, therefore, unfortunately lost. Things *seem* to be running okay. We apologize for the loss and inconvenience.
[14:33:36] Bytram changed topic of #Soylent to: Site WAS down and was restored from most recent backups; some stories and comments were, therefore, unfortunately lost. Things *seem* to be running okay. We apologize for the loss and inconvenience.
[14:31:59] <Bytram> lol
[14:31:55] Bytram changed topic of #Soylent to: 20190815_143128 UTC
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[14:18:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, them was definitely not cold drugs of the daytime variety. falling asleep in my chair even though i topped them off with some adderall.
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[14:06:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - WE'RE BACK - but It Has Been a Long, Hard Road - http://sylnt.us - stuff-happens
[14:06:36] <Guest47> cheeeers
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[14:05:22] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[14:05:22] <Runaway1956> I saw that as I was getting ready to leave last night - was wondering how it would end
[14:04:57] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[14:04:56] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.nydailynews.com
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[13:58:14] <Bytram> meet you in #editorial
[13:58:02] <Bytram> I've got a tab somewhere with what was previously in our story queue.
[13:58:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, dunno what kinda cold medicine i bought at that convenience store yesterday but it ain't the stay awake, clear-headed, and functional kind
[13:57:36] <janrinok> OK - I'm putting stuff in the submissions queue
[13:57:33] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 58
[13:57:33] <Bytram> janrinok++ Well written! Kudos!
[13:57:19] <Bytram> well, it is scheduled to go out in about 3-4 minutes. I'll just let it go then.
[13:57:01] <janrinok> No go for it
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[13:56:26] <Bytram> janrinok: want to take a look before I release it?
[13:55:45] * Bytram hits update
[13:54:54] * Bytram hits preview
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[13:48:53] <janrinok> feel free
[13:48:44] <Bytram> s/0/)/
[13:48:38] <Bytram> got a couple changes to make SemperOSS was in earlier and I popped in early, too (though did not actually do much0
[13:48:00] <janrinok> OK, I'm hands off for now. change the release time when you are happy
[13:47:30] <Bytram> see 'em now
[13:47:06] <Bytram> k
[13:46:55] <janrinok> you need to refresh
[13:46:49] <janrinok> I've done that...
[13:46:39] * Bytram goes to add some paragraph elements
[13:46:29] <Bytram> 2 minutes ago
[13:46:19] <Bytram> I was looking in the subs queue not the story queue... now I see it.
[13:46:17] <Bytram> yes. see my earlier comment here:
[13:46:03] <janrinok> Bytram, can you see it?
[13:45:56] * cmn32480 thinks about calling it quits and going for a beer
[13:45:05] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 725
[13:45:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[13:45:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[13:45:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, really, nicotine and caffeine
[13:44:38] <janrinok> It is the only story there today
[13:44:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> paragraphs! aaaaah!
[13:44:32] <janrinok> It is showing in my stories queue a 14:00 on 15 Aug
[13:44:26] <janrinok> It is showing in my stories queue a 14:00 on 15 Auf
[13:44:26] <Bytram> clicky
[13:44:22] <Bytram> I was looking in the subs queue not the story queue... now I see it.
[13:44:10] <Bytram> oh
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[13:43:47] <janrinok> perhaps we have other problems
[13:43:43] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: many many thanks!!!
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[13:43:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, ima go smoke and drink coffee for a while to see if anything breaks again.
[13:43:04] <Bytram> janrinok: don't see anything.
[13:43:03] <SoyCow5713> ~help
[13:42:27] <janrinok> s/if/I've/
[13:42:21] <Bytram> on my way
[13:42:10] <janrinok> Bytram - look in the stories queue. If put something together, please edit it if you feel necessary. The last bit MUST REMAIN!
[13:42:05] <Bytram> understood. Got the *files* back but not necessarily the entire state of the site
[13:42:05] <Runaway1956> Wait, what? Starting a bacon? I"M IN!!
[13:41:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> starting a backup that DOESN'T mean restoring a bloody vm state just in case we're not good
[13:40:50] <Bytram> Oh, okay then. Be my guest!
[13:40:35] <janrinok> Bytram - I am already putting something together
[13:39:46] <Bytram> thanks!
[13:39:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> node up. all looks copacetic.
[13:37:55] <Bytram> I'll start writing up something offline. Pls ping me when you know more.
[13:37:14] <Bytram> k
[13:37:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, let ya know after the second node gets done starting up
[13:36:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Do you know if we are back up for reals? Or should I hold off on writing a story about site down time?
[13:35:10] <nn> might be more efficient, but in mysql world, way more fragile.
[13:34:31] <Bytram> finis.
[13:34:28] <Bytram> from the that's-the-combination-to-my-luggage! dept.
[13:34:28] <Bytram> posted by Fnord666 on 2019.08.14 19:59 Printer-friendly
[13:34:28] <Bytram> How Many Decimals of Pi Do We Really Need?
[13:34:28] <Bytram> most recent story on main page:
[13:34:12] <Bytram> okay, I'm back in
[13:33:20] * Bytram reloads main page... sees he is logged out.
[13:33:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> more efficient, more annoying
[13:32:53] * Bytram just had a phone call and had to step away.
[13:32:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> cluster
[13:32:09] <nn> and yes, that is another restore.
[13:31:58] <nn> got master - master enabled? if so disable and make one-way
[13:31:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> blarg, bloody thing appears to be trying to sync data over to the restored node. we may be back down again shortly.
[13:29:34] <pvanhoof> We make them all the times
[13:29:25] <pvanhoof> Software bugs
[13:29:20] <nn> important point to investigate later
[13:28:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> why the fuck the second db node was missing a month of data, i have no fucking idea.
[13:27:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> starting up the second db node, fingers crossed
[13:26:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i get them in the summer way more often than the winter
[13:26:02] <nn> p.s. ty for restoring site.
[13:25:51] <pvanhoof> ah, but I also don't have any mutuals
[13:25:48] <nn> a cold in summer? ouch.
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[13:24:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> nn, make recovery easier in the future: don't have a cold + sinus headache on TheMightyBuzzard
[13:24:33] <pvanhoof> My news addiction never got me to the point of neglecting stoves going on fire ...
[13:24:17] <janrinok> Bytram - I'm putting together a site update story
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[13:22:03] <nn> include making time for post incident analysis and de-brief and discussion on how to prevent, and make recovery easier in future.
[13:20:32] <janrinok> Bytram - are you posting a story about the downtime on the front page?
[13:20:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... ima prolly have to initialize the other db node since data newer than what's in the backup got written to it.
[13:19:57] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 355
[13:19:56] <SemperOSS> TheMightyBuzzard++
[13:19:26] <pvanhoof> ah! there is news
[13:18:54] <pvanhoof> That doesn't necessarily make her slower. See 28 weeks later, Resident Evil, etc
[13:18:23] * exec points at Bytram
[13:18:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~blame
[13:18:17] <exec> ..."Have you mooed today?"...
[13:18:16] <exec> ~~ ~~
[13:18:15] <exec> * /\---/\
[13:18:15] <exec> / | ||
[13:18:15] <exec> /------\/
[13:18:15] <exec> (oo)
[13:18:15] <exec> (__)
[13:18:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> make sure to include the output of ~blame
[13:18:14] <SoyCow5713> ~moo
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[13:18:05] <cmn32480> Where?
[13:17:53] <janrinok> Hey we have a site!
[13:17:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, we're back up for the moment. someone who ain't me post a story bout the broke and restore.
[13:17:14] <cmn32480> if he shoots her in the knee
[13:16:40] <janrinok> can you run faster than she can?
[13:16:24] <janrinok> do you value your life?
[13:16:11] <SoyCow5713> Is she incapable?
[13:16:08] <janrinok> Did she ask you or tell you?
[13:16:00] <nn> meat cleaver style?
[13:15:43] <SoyCow5713> Did she ask you nicely?
[13:14:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, you're in arkansas, yeah? non-sexist is contraindicated.
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[13:13:36] <pvanhoof> I want news. I was just reading up on symptoms and signs of addiction, and I don't want to get unusual odors or body odor due to lack of personal hygiene
[13:13:34] <Runaway1956> Isn't that sexist, or something?
[13:13:24] <Runaway1956> I just sat my dead ass down, and the wife wants me to take trash out.
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[13:12:30] <Runaway1956> We're having site issues. Feel free to either enjoy some argument-free time or join us on IRC at irc.soylentnews.org port 6667(6697 for tls) or use the web client. 💩
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[13:12:02] <exec> < hurry up, stupid db node >
[13:12:02] <exec> __________________________
[13:12:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~cowsay hurry up, stupid db node
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[13:11:28] <exec> ..."Have you mooed today?"...
[13:11:27] <exec> ~~ ~~
[13:11:26] <exec> * /\---/\
[13:11:26] <exec> / | ||
[13:11:26] <exec> /------\/
[13:11:26] <exec> (oo)
[13:11:26] <exec> (__)
[13:11:25] <SoyCow5713> ~moo
[13:11:15] <SoyCow5713> moo
[13:11:04] <exec> ..."Have you mooed today?"...
[13:11:03] <exec> ~~ ~~
[13:11:02] <exec> * /\---/\
[13:11:02] <exec> / | ||
[13:11:02] <exec> /------\/
[13:11:02] <exec> (oo)
[13:11:01] <exec> (__)
[13:11:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~moo
[13:10:16] <SoyCow5713> moo
[13:09:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/pat/impat/
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[13:09:36] * TheMightyBuzzard waits patiently for the ndb node to finish starting up
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[13:08:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't have space
[13:07:18] <nn> can be done in parallel to production restore.
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[13:07:00] <nn> consider cloaning snapshot into separate vm or locally for further analysis.
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[13:05:08] <nn> db may need clean up from that restore then.
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[13:04:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, that's what i just restored from.
[13:03:52] <nn> is linode vm snapshot utilised?
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[13:02:45] <boru> I asked that earlier. I don't think so.
[13:02:33] <nn> has transaction log been preserved?
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[13:02:07] <boru> Hmm.
[13:01:56] <Bytram> boru: IIUC that is what we (thought) we had
[13:01:48] <boru> Ah.
[13:01:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> possibly both
[13:01:12] <Bytram> too late now, but I just realized we should prolly saved a copy of the linode for investigative purposes before restoring from backups.
[13:01:11] <nn> kk
[13:01:07] <boru> Is a redundant db which can replay transactions into one another budget prohibited, or just overkill?
[13:00:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> some funky-ass issue with mysql-cluster. sunspots for all i know.
[13:00:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> db. hardware is fine near as i can tell.
[13:00:07] <FatPhil> russian hackers
[12:59:57] <nn> q. Db corruption or underlying virtual hardware corruption?
[12:59:45] <Bender> karma - jman: 2
[12:59:45] <Bytram> jman++ good one
[12:59:45] <FatPhil> I'm currently using "Green" and it's completely indistinguishable from "Red" to me!
[12:59:43] <boru> Ah, I see.
[12:59:31] <jman> 50 shades of greyscale.
[12:59:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, no, we're just losing everything post-snapshot
[12:59:26] <upstart> ^ 03HTML Color Names
[12:59:25] <FatPhil> What would be a nice bright green that's not too sickly pale: https://www.w3schools.com
[12:59:08] <janrinok> UPDATE: for those who are just joining us - we have had some rather spectacular problems. TMB is going for a restore from a snapshot taken yesterday
[12:59:06] <FatPhil> shut up, racist!
[12:58:38] <Bytram> FatPhil: well, there are some who do seem to prefer to see all things as being back or white... does that count? ;)
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[12:56:46] <FatPhil> boru: oh, I didn't notice that!
[12:56:37] <janrinok> although the reason for the site is the conversations - I don't think that losing a small portion of them is critical to the site
[12:56:34] <boru> No, we filtered them out in the eugenics program.
[12:56:16] <FatPhil> Do we have any other colourblind crips here apart from anomalous dichromat me?
[12:56:14] <jman> Oops, off to work.
[12:55:49] <jman> 'k, cool. Was thinking more a cron of automysqlbackup, something like that. Can't have too many backups! Well, unless you run out of storage. ;)
[12:55:35] <Bytram> no idea
[12:55:25] <janrinok> I don't know if we store transactions between snapshots - I haven't heard of us doing that so probably not
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[12:54:44] <Bytram> we also have oxygen which is used in some sort of backup capacity, as well.
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[12:54:18] <Bytram> yes: helium, beryllium, and boron
[12:53:51] <Bytram> we have linode backups enable for (IIIRC) 3 of our nodes
[12:53:34] <janrinok> linode do a snapshot daily I believe
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[12:52:54] <jman> How often is the database backed up? I know folks are all over the time zones, but there must be a "middle of the night" happy medium...
[12:52:27] <Bytram> lol
[12:52:23] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Hashgraph - Wikipedia
[12:52:22] <Bytram> =g hashgraph wikipedia
[12:52:13] <upstart> https://www.hedera.com - Hedera Hashgraph
[12:52:12] <Bytram> =g hashgraph
[12:52:03] <Bytram> what is that?
[12:52:03] <janrinok> dunno - what is hashgraph?
[12:51:49] <FatPhil> Can we put SoylentNews on hashgraph?
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[12:51:32] <Bytram> that is my expectation as well, and what I mentioned in my story post
[12:51:26] <janrinok> i.e. from yesterday
[12:51:08] <janrinok> we will lose data from the time of the restore - I think
[12:50:57] * FatPhil reads about happy happy fun times of the past and hopeully not the future... https://www.counterpunch.org
[12:50:46] <boru> Can you replay transactions?
[12:50:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to be a bit on the restore. ima go smoke.
[12:50:08] <Bytram> thanks for the update!
[12:49:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> something caused mysql-cluster (the ndb part of it) to fuck itself up. not real clear beyond that.
[12:49:48] <janrinok> in short - no. From the outside it seems that we have had various errors from around 0520'ish UTC, but they are not easy to reproduce. Restarting the system does not work so we are going for a restore from yesterday's snapshot. No guarantees though
[12:49:42] <Bytram> not yet
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[12:48:27] <FatPhil> do we know what went wrong yet?
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[12:48:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> backup was taken yesterday, hopefully it'll be better than losing a bloody month of activity.
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[12:46:57] <janrinok> for those who are just joining us - we have had some rather spectacular problems. TMB is going for a restore from a snapshot taken yesterday
[12:46:37] <SoyCow2664> ah back to mIRC
[12:46:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> okey doke, restoring helium (db server) from linode snapshot. we'll lose at least half a day of stuff.
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[12:44:00] <janrinok> it's not as pretty as _your_ error page
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[12:43:27] <Bytram> TMB's site error page is up: "We're having site issues. Feel free to either enjoy some argument-free time or join us on IRC at irc.soylentnews.org port 6667(6697 for tls) or use the web client."
[12:42:27] <janrinok> Ah, but we didn't want you to feel forgotten
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[12:41:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, you lot could have waited to break the db until i wasn't enjoying a cold with accompanying sinus headache. it wouldn't have hurt my feelings.
[12:41:03] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
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[12:29:57] <janrinok> nah, but sometimes a man has to do what a man has to do. Server requires kernel update and reboot, so this machine which is linked into it gets a reboot too
[12:27:20] <cmn32480> must be running Windows...
[12:27:02] <janrinok> .. nah, I'll do it later
[12:26:44] <janrinok> going to have to reboot. Back in a jiffy
[12:25:44] <cmn32480> on vacation... while I slave away at the office
[12:25:35] <janrinok> how's J and the kids?
[12:25:34] * cmn32480 makes a kissy face at janrinok
[12:25:13] <janrinok> er, I'll skip on that thanks
[12:25:02] <cmn32480> you can have the sloppy kiss
[12:25:00] <janrinok> will do!
[12:24:55] <cmn32480> give S a hug for me
[12:24:42] <cmn32480> Good!
[12:24:29] <janrinok> I'm good. Lots to do and less time for myself, but we are happy
[12:24:00] <cmn32480> how you been?
[12:23:38] <cmn32480> need to find a project manager so that I don't have to
[12:23:29] <cmn32480> busy as crap
[12:23:13] * AzumaHazuki tosses a dozen jars of doubanjiang, a gallon of Shaoxing wine, and a bowl of Sichuan peppercorns after the bean curd
[12:23:03] <janrinok> how's things in your bit of the world?
[12:22:50] <cmn32480> glad I could help
[12:22:47] <cmn32480> good
[12:22:42] <janrinok> bean curd - my favourite
[12:22:28] * exec insensitively hurls 40 gallons worth of bean curd at janrinok
[12:22:27] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[12:22:23] <AzumaHazuki> all post-modern means is giving up on the idea of some Platonic teleological imperative out there guiding the arc of human history
[12:22:18] <janrinok> ... oh, here he comes, all the hard work done, and cmn32480 turns up. Hi cmn!!!
[12:22:01] <AzumaHazuki> your eyes are not "post-modern," as 1) if they were you wouldn't notice things like this, and 2) that's not what the fuck post-modern means
[12:21:59] <cmn32480> I don't knwo what for, but obviously it is his fault
[12:21:50] <cmn32480> I blame janrinok
[12:21:20] <chromas> Maybe they're all parodies. Is everything a parody now? How can things be real when my eyes are post-modern?
[12:20:34] <chromas> Then later one I guess it's parody accounts
[12:19:35] <janrinok> chromas, that is a terrible piece of personnel management
[12:18:04] <chromas> Almost every time the FC Ambassador replies it's with another account
[12:17:09] <AzumaHazuki> unrestrained profit-seeking turns everything it touches to blasphemous zombie parodies of their former selves in its service. news at 11
[12:16:10] <upstart> ^ 03Diana Wilde on Twitter
[12:16:06] <chromas> https://twitter.com
[12:14:28] <janrinok> they are having a coffee break before the restore begins - they've earned it
[12:14:26] <SemperOSS> The database seems to arbitrarily have dropped a month's worth of data
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[12:14:05] <Status-curious> I shall go again, but extend many thank yous to the team working on this.
[12:13:40] <janrinok> one of the problems is that we cannot see an obvious cause for the errors that we are now experiencing.
[12:12:39] <Status-curious> But given everyone working on this is a volunteer, I can understand if no-one has the time, patience, or resources to do (a) and (b).
[12:11:46] <Status-curious> Well getting the site back up and working isn't a bad idea. I hope that (a)enough can be preserved that a post-mortem is worthwhile and (b) the relevant people have the time and inclination to do a post-mortem to find out what did go wrong, so a repeat can be avoided.
[12:11:41] <janrinok> ... and checking for any other recent possibly-linked errors
[12:10:35] <janrinok> They are just thinking the implications through before committing themselves
[12:09:05] <janrinok> they are working hard behind the scenes, but the fault(s) do not appear to be obvious.
[12:08:35] <Status-curious> You must have read my mind: I was about to ask if there had been any susbstative progress since I last looked in.
[12:07:56] <janrinok> I think the consensus is that TMB is going for a full restore from yesterdays linode snapshot
[12:06:45] <Bytram> anyway, break time for me for realsies
[12:06:25] <Bytram> ^^^ chromas Now there's something useful to have upstart do... not sure where to scrape the info from, tho.
[12:05:45] <Bytram> from what I can tell, there was a PHP update that messed up a few things with that bot
[12:05:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> I was going to do Dededo, Guam (past the international date line) just for funsies but now I can't.
[12:05:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> yah, clearly.
[12:04:52] <Bytram> is borken
[12:04:48] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Thursday, 15 August 2019, 12:04 pm
[12:04:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~time Tampa
[12:04:43] <Bytram> so, less than half an hour until fool mun
[12:04:40] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Thursday, 15 August 2019, 12:04 pm
[12:04:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~time Saint Petersburg
[12:04:09] <upstart> ^ 03Phases of the Moon
[12:04:07] <Bytram> from: https://aa.usno.navy.mil
[12:03:58] <Bytram> Full Moon 2019 Aug 15 12:29
[12:03:49] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Thursday, 15 August 2019, 12:03 pm
[12:03:47] <Bytram> ~time x
[12:03:02] <Bytram> break time... biab
[12:02:49] <Bytram> in a wy they have a point, esp with a full moon as the sun's (particles? need moah coffee) blow past the Earth and some of Earth's atmosphere gets blown past the moon.
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[12:02:12] <upstart> ^ 03Earth's Atmosphere Extends Far Beyond the Moon, Scientists Discover
[12:02:11] <FatPhil> https://www.newsweek.com
[12:01:44] <boru> There isn't a line, but the fuzzy part is quite narrow.
[12:01:24] <FatPhil> Yuppers
[12:01:21] <janrinok> NOTE: they are doing a restart - the site is temporarily down
[12:01:03] <AzumaHazuki> it's more that the atmosphere kind of imperceeptibly shades off into space...there's no solid line with a sign saying "here be space dragons"
[12:00:57] <boru> 1 LD is...far outside Earth's atmosphere.
[12:00:53] <FatPhil> yeah, some weirdos said "there's more air out there than in the depths of space, so it's still technically part of earth's atmosphere"
[12:00:38] <boru> I think it was a firmament joke.
[12:00:29] <Bytram> or is the earth bigger than I remember?
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[12:00:14] <Bytram> I thought it was further away than that?
[12:00:14] <FatPhil> (according to some definitions of atmosphere)
[11:59:58] <FatPhil> the moon's in the earth's atmosphere!
[11:59:34] <Bytram> I am not a fan of the atmospheric glow about a moon that is in vacuum
[11:59:31] <boru> But see my point about spatial versus optical resolution above.
[11:59:11] <boru> Yeah, I know. I saw it a while ago.
[11:58:54] <FatPhil> boru - if you're into astronomy - do you find the 81-megapixel moon photo to be abominably terrible? The sharpenning that's been done is eye-scraping.
[11:58:44] <boru> The reason why albedo is such a hot topic (wait for it) is thermal issues and radiating heat into space.
[11:58:20] <Bytram> but I also like to think that v2 or whatever will be better?
[11:57:57] <boru> I worked with a bunch of guys that used to work there. Their stories confirm it.
[11:57:56] <Bytram> I'll grant you that
[11:57:40] <boru> It's hubris at spacex.
[11:57:36] <Bytram> they make mistakes and learn from them... that's a problem?
[11:57:35] <boru> 1) This is a discussion that should be had on the ground and 2) albedo is a concern for just about any satellite company.
[11:56:47] <boru> Which is the problem.
[11:56:38] <Bytram> they are quite good at iterating
[11:56:24] <Bytram> to be gracious, how about they are "focused" on getting the craft up and working and did not consider their causing light pollution. Now that it HAS been brought to their attention, I suspect it will improve.
[11:55:57] <boru> Even with some bleeding edge AO.
[11:55:39] <boru> You'd need a lot of aperture to have the optical resolution to see features that small on the moon. And since it'd probably be Earth based, the optics are going to be diffraction limited.
[11:55:11] <AzumaHazuki> can't seem to find the crystal towers or the thriving utopian kingdom though... *squints
[11:54:58] <boru> That's spatial resolution, not optical resolution.
[11:54:36] <boru> When I worked in space, spacecraft albedo for LEO was also a part of the discussion. They're a bunch of clowns at spacex.
[11:54:35] <Bytram> hth
[11:54:31] <AzumaHazuki> thank you :)
[11:54:25] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: thought you'd like it!
[11:53:57] <janrinok> With that resolution you can almost see the footprints left behind - well, almost
[11:53:57] <boru> Don't get me started on starlink. There's been a lot of discussion about it at work.
[11:53:01] <AzumaHazuki> that makes an awesome desktop wallpaper
[11:52:42] <Bytram> just wait for starlink and the other low-orbit satellite meshes to get established. :/
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[11:51:43] <boru> The worst source of light pollution after Sol.
[11:51:30] <boru> The problem is the moon.
[11:51:23] <boru> I've got Bortle 4 skies here, SQM ~20.61 mag/arcsec^2, so pretty optimal for emission line imaging.
[11:51:17] <upstart> ^ 03This epic 81-megapixel moon photo was stacked from 50,000 images
[11:51:16] <Bytram> https://www.diyphotography.net
[11:50:55] <Bytram> nope
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[11:50:49] <upstart> ^ 03Hasselblad’s new 400-megapixel Multi-Shot camera captures 2.4GB stills
[11:50:48] <Bytram> https://www.theverge.com
[11:50:28] <janrinok> I'm fortunate to live in an area with reasonably low light pollution. I have to agree with Az on this one.
[11:49:52] <Bytram> oh, wait! Where did I see that? brb
[11:49:18] <AzumaHazuki> i tend to go out and stare at it, honestly. it's beautiful.
[11:48:22] <boru> It was full last night, and it was the first night I got to get out to image and get some data. Alas, the target I was imaging is a faint [OIII] emission supernova remanant...and moonlight, being a broadband light source peaks around [OIII], so an already difficult and dim target had its SNR wiped out by it.
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[11:48:12] * chromas moons the channel with php
[11:47:58] <upstart> ^ 03PHP plus: P++ proposal would create a stricter dialect
[11:47:57] <chromas> https://www.itworld.com
[11:47:07] * boru grumbles about the moon.
[11:46:51] <MrPlow> https://aa.usno.navy.mil - "Aug 15, 2017 ... Then press the \"Get Data\" button to obtain a table showing the dates of the primary phases of the Moon for the number of phases entered. Year:"
[11:46:51] <Bytram> #g moon phase navy
[11:45:59] <MrPlow> http://www.skyandtelescope.com - "Moon's Phase on Any Date ... Day: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31. Year: AD BC. Phase:"
[11:45:59] <Bytram> #g moon phase Sky & telescope
[11:45:21] <chromas> it's one of the two, alright
[11:45:07] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:44:55] <janrinok> ... and that could be bytram-time or some other zone?
[11:44:05] <Bytram> not sure if my local moon phase calculator is working off the correct time, but I see we have a full moon in 0:47:18
[11:43:50] <janrinok> I have problems sleeping with full moons - haven't a clue what the connection is
[11:43:23] * AzumaHazuki loves full moons
[11:43:19] <AzumaHazuki> ah, no wonder i feel good <3
[11:43:04] <MrPlow> https://www.moongiant.com - "Get Today's Moon Phase with current viewing information. ... During a Full Moon the moon is 100% illuminated as seen from Earth and is on the opposite side of ..."
[11:43:04] <Bytram> #g current phase of the moon
[11:42:06] <boru> It's p5
[11:42:01] <boru> I'm not sure if it's capsicum, but it's not jails, since I think he runs it on a Linux host, rather than BSD or Solaris.
[11:41:43] <chromas> Is it perl 6?
[11:41:36] <boru> For the compiler invocation, and the execution.
[11:41:16] <boru> It's written in perl, but uses process isolation for that part.
[11:41:09] <Bytram> that sounds not-so-safe?
[11:40:37] <boru> You should check out pbot. One of the ops from ##c over on freenode wrote it. You can compile and execute C, or run perl by giving it the code over IRC.
[11:40:28] <Bytram> from the looks of things, we are about to embark on trouble cannoning
[11:40:27] <janrinok> There are errors that don't seem to make sense and are proving not too easy to fix
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[11:40:17] <AzumaHazuki> janrinok: oh, you found Runaway in meatspace and you've got the sniper team on his tail? :D
[11:40:02] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: yays!
[11:39:56] <janrinok> AzumaHazuki, hi. Just to update you. We are still trouble shooting
[11:39:55] <Status-curious> I need to go and do <important stuff> in real life. Good luck guys.
[11:39:51] <Bytram> chromas: nod nod
[11:39:49] <AzumaHazuki> move-in today. finally. in a couple of hours i'll be...well, safer
[11:39:37] <AzumaHazuki> o/
[11:39:31] <chromas> Sorta exec-like, but with less phpoo
[11:39:31] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: o/
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[11:39:14] <chromas> I can run whatever you want. I just need to put in some code to pipe it into the bot
[11:38:23] * Bytram is not so sure of the latter one
[11:38:13] <Bytram> chromas: getting back to adventure... can you run any kind of game interpreter like frotz or inform?
[11:37:52] <chromas> There should be at least one more accepted ari story, but non-display
[11:36:58] <chromas> I BM with a big iron too
[11:36:55] * Bytram tested VMs on big iron at IBM... third level VM optimizations were... hairy.
[11:36:28] <janrinok> I'm speculating or hypothesising
[11:36:11] <Status-curious> Its turtles all the way down man....But I last had to deal with remote hardware disgnostics before VMs escaped from IBM's big iron.
[11:36:08] <Bytram> are you reckoning or guessing?
[11:35:48] * janrinok reckons the Bytram is just guessing - he can't prove it
[11:35:48] <SoyCow3052> Has it been 497.1 days since the last database clean?
[11:35:15] <Bytram> janrinok: yes.
[11:34:58] <Bytram> that would imply our running a VM on top of the VMs that we get from Linode to run the site.
[11:34:48] <janrinok> I wonder if it is significant that the last page that displays on the site also contains the last story I think that we accepted from Ari? Coincidence?
[11:33:56] <Status-curious> Of course, these days, you 'just' spin up the VM on different hardware, and the problem magically goes away, and some other poor schmuck gets a go on the hardware you just vacated.
[11:32:14] <Bytram> ouch.
[11:32:01] <Status-curious> Could also be a bad stick of RAM. That's always fun to diagnose remotely.
[11:31:45] <Bytram> chromas: start a new what?
[11:31:44] <chromas> How about WordPress?
[11:31:35] <chromas> Time to start anew
[11:31:21] <janrinok> I think that TMB's "da fuq" and SemperOSS' "it just died" are not good signs of progress
[11:30:07] <janrinok> I was right behind you - pushing you on while trying to look innocent
[11:30:00] <upstart> ^ 03Likely state of Colorado record diameter hailstone ( https://watchers.news )
[11:29:59] <Bytram> whereto? http://feedproxy.google.com
[11:29:55] <Bytram> looks like they are making some progress.
[11:29:40] <Bytram> janrinok: was what I came up with, too. Oh well!
[11:29:05] <chromas> Bytram: or reconfigure injun x
[11:28:59] <janrinok> prolly best leave it and go into the explanations later.
[11:28:53] <Status-curious> Although embedding an AI chatbot in each article might be intereating: connect to it to discuss it with itself.
[11:28:33] <Bytram> I could always update the template for the main page, instead, but that, too, means a DB change. :/
[11:28:10] <chromas> They should be. To read comments, connect up to the story's ip address. Each comment has its own port
[11:27:52] <janrinok> hehehe I read that too
[11:27:48] <Bytram> 'cause that new story messes with the DB
[11:27:30] <Bytram> yep, but I just heard from TMB that I should have just downed the site instead of putting up a story.
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[11:27:16] <Status-curious> Well, IPv6 address implies articles would be individually adressable and running a network stack. UUIDs are 'just' labels.
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[11:26:51] <janrinok> Bytram, your 30 minute update is about 4 minutes away.
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[11:25:59] <MrPlow> "a UUID" added.
[11:25:59] <chromas> #smakeadd a UUID
[11:25:37] * MrPlow smakes chromas upside the head with a SASL sausage
[11:25:37] <Bytram> #smake chromas
[11:25:30] <Bytram> oops tab completion error
[11:25:19] * MrPlow smakes chopchop1 upside the head with rubber duck
[11:25:19] <Bytram> #smake chopchop1
[11:25:17] <chromas> Same length
[11:24:44] <Status-curious> No, UUID
[11:24:32] <chromas> Each article should get its own IPv6 address
[11:23:53] <Status-curious> Another possibility is if a counter has wrapped somewhere. Have we hit 2e16 articles or something?
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[11:22:21] <chromas> Is it duck season already?
[11:22:18] <boru> Hashing or diffing against the backup would resolve that.
[11:22:08] <Bytram> Should have taken a left turn at Albuquerque
[11:21:13] <Status-curious> Hmm. if the problem persists across reboots, then a file/DB is corrupt, or a config has been borked (which is just another corrupt file). Another possibility is if someone has made a change to the running system without changing the corresponding startup config/script in the same way. Which is a pain to resolve. Benn there, done that...eaten the rabbit.
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[11:19:58] <boru> Binary chopping through the logs closest to the problem to get a timestamp for the incident would be where I'd start, but I'll stop backseat investigating now.
[11:19:53] <janrinok> they wisely keep me at arms length when it comes to the hardware
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[11:18:57] <boru> Hmm, alright. I'd help if I could.
[11:18:46] <chromas> How many times did you reboot it?
[11:18:33] <Bytram> boru: no. TMB and SemperOSS are both digging into it. (thankfully!)
[11:18:27] <boru> Some UNIX shells have something you can conceptually do something like that with (IRC bot).
[11:18:26] <janrinok> Status-curious, do you think we haven't tried that? :)
[11:18:02] <Status-curious> Perhaps it is time for the Microsoft approach to problem solving: turn it off, then turn it back on again? <<-- This is not serious.
[11:17:58] <Bytram> IOW, stuff that is exposed through the site UI I'm probably (for the most part) good to go. what happens at the lower level DBs / frontends / etc. is not in my wheelhouse
[11:17:36] * janrinok thinks 'prolly' translates to 'definitely' in this case
[11:17:27] <boru> Are you on your own tracking it down at the moment?
[11:17:26] <chromas> I'm disappointed that I haven't found a FUSE-based irc client yet
[11:17:06] <boru> There's nothing innovative about it. The whole point of FUSE is to implement transparent FS semantics for some bespoke protocol.
[11:16:50] <Bytram> boru: I'm more at the app-using level. I have a conceptual idea of the underlying plumbing, but let's just say you prolly don't want me doing admin for your site.
[11:15:44] <boru> A timestamp from that would give you a breadcrumb to go on.
[11:15:17] <boru> Bytram; wrt site issues, have you grepped the DB logs to see if it was something sent by a client that caused it, or whether something internally caused it?
[11:15:13] <Status-curious> @janirok - Thank you for the update.
[11:15:01] <janrinok> boru, some like to think it is not abuse, but innovative. Me? I sit on the fence and wait to see if it works or not :)
[11:14:31] <boru> There are FUSE drivers for all sorts of things, even HTTP based abominations like that.
[11:14:02] <chromas> There's a FUSE driver for mounting wikipedia/mediawiki
[11:13:46] <boru> People sure do abuse FUSE...
[11:13:39] <chromas> Mountable games. What a time to be alive
[11:13:25] <Bytram> lol
[11:13:13] <chromas> hehe, well I found dungeonfs, which is a "FUSE filesystem and dungeon vrawling adventures game engine"
[11:11:01] <Bytram> chromas: just for giggles... look around for "advent"
[11:10:42] <janrinok> Status-curious, we are still at the scratching heads phase of recovery. There were faults that appeared around 0520'ish (UTC) which are looking strange.
[11:10:24] <boru> Please stop, I've just had breakfast.
[11:10:05] <chromas> Shirley, someone's figured out how to stuff Python onto a 6502 puter
[11:09:24] <boru> I've worked with QNX, amongst other RTOS throughout my career. It's pretty awful, althought it's fully POSIX compliant, which is nice.
[11:08:16] <boru> Yes, writing text parsing routines in assembly is piles of fun.
[11:07:50] <chromas> Oh, you're right. The C64 should be running the bot itself
[11:07:44] <boru> A short one.
[11:07:35] <chromas> What kind of question is that?
[11:07:23] <boru> Why?
[11:07:18] <chromas> how about an irc bot that connects to a C64 by serial port?
[11:07:09] <boru> It was a rimside job.
[11:07:04] <chromas> ooh
[11:06:46] <chromas> The RIM job?
[11:06:44] <boru> It was eaten by a grue.
[11:06:32] <boru> That was a cover up.
[11:06:03] <chromas> hm, qnx is an os. It's too bad RIM got bored with it and sold out to Big Android
[11:06:02] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Colossal Cave Adventure is a text adventure game, developed between 1975-1977, by Will Crowther for the PDP-10 mainframe. The game was expanded upon ..."
[11:06:01] <Bytram> #g wikipedia Colossal Cave adventure
[11:05:56] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Mammoth Cave National Park is an American national park in central Kentucky, encompassing portions of Mammoth Cave, the longest cave system known in ..."
[11:05:56] <Bytram> #g wikipedia Colossal Cave
[11:05:19] <chromas> I see adventure-qnx and open-adventure
[11:04:28] <Bytram> kewel
[11:04:08] <chromas> but if it takes stdin input, I can put it in upstart
[11:03:35] <chromas> I'ven't played any of 'em
[11:03:14] <Bytram> as much as I wanted to like Zork, it just seemed like it tried too hard. Still a fan of the original 350-point Adventure / Colossal Cave
[11:02:55] <chromas> nfrotz can take input from stdin but it gets stuck and pins the cpu when input ends
[11:02:21] <chromas> Before the site pooped its pants, I was putting Zork into an irc bot
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[10:58:01] <Status-curious> I also have other things I should be doing rather than hanging around heer and shooting the breeze. But I'm unreasonably good at shirking responsibilities.
[10:56:14] <Status-curious> Well, I'm here to find out what's happening with the site, so keeping quiet to keep the signal-to-noise ratio high.
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[10:56:10] <chromas> Slumber party at FatPhil's!
[10:55:31] * FatPhil wakes up from his slumber
[10:55:02] <chromas> SoylentBrews
[10:55:00] <chromas> Much talk about bread and beer
[10:54:47] <chromas> Channel should be full of chatter, like old times
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[10:54:01] <SoyCow2254> good luck with the site
[10:53:51] <SoyCow2254> hm... cozy
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[10:50:07] * janrinok thinks it looks like everybody is running away ....
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[10:31:25] <Bytram_> ididndonuthin!
[10:31:01] <Bytram_> LOL!
[10:30:48] * exec points at Bytram
[10:30:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~blame
[10:30:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh
[10:30:24] <Bytram_> Good to know, thanks!
[10:29:22] <Status-curious> @Bytram Status page change has worked its way through to the front-end I just connected to. No reply necessary.
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[10:25:42] <chromas> I drove him away with my angry face
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[10:25:13] <chromas> >:(
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[10:25:02] <chromas> nothin's happening
[10:23:16] * Bytram_ watches from his phone
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[10:20:45] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[10:20:45] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
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[10:19:24] <chromas> No fooshin' for your today
[10:18:58] <chromas> From wholesome to holesome
[10:18:52] <chromas> "But the airfield may soon take on less wholesome role"
[10:18:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4911
[10:18:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
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[10:13:33] <Status-curious> OK - thanks. Enjoy your break.
[10:12:31] <Bytram> break time
[10:12:27] <Bytram> Status-curious: give a few minutes for the change to work its way through the frontends.
[10:12:07] * Bytram just commented that out of the *live* template: about;about;default if there is a restore then it will go away.
[10:09:09] <upstart> ^ 03Drive-in sex booths proposed for Berlin's historic Tempelhof airport
[10:09:06] <FatPhil> https://edition.cnn.com
[10:08:54] <Status-curious> I have no problem with that. Deal with it later.
[10:08:12] <Bytram> and then fell through the cracks.
[10:07:54] <Bytram> IOW, I think that statement is more of an aspiration rather than something that had actually been implemented
[10:07:44] <Status-curious> I have no problem with a static page with correct status being administratively difficult to do, and therefore not done. Unfortunately, the about page links there, so sets an expectation. Again, I am not saying it needs to be dealt wwith RIGHT NOW!, but perhaps it can be cleared up when the dust has settled. Other things are more important right now.
[10:07:31] * Bytram has never seen that implemented and... note the "http" for the status page? we went httpS-only early on with this site (prolly like 5 years ago)
[10:05:49] <Bytram> huh!
[10:05:31] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews: About
[10:05:31] <Status-curious> Which is fine, but https://soylentnews.org says "Site Status ( http://status.soylentnews.org )| A static page used to relay information regarding downtime. It will be updated in cases of unexpected downtime."
[10:04:25] <Bytram> I could update the main page template with a message, but I think the current story there should suffice.
[10:03:48] <Bytram> I raised that same idea about 5 years ago (static page) and was told there was some kind of issue between there being frontends and stuff that I could not follow along with.
[10:01:02] <chromas> I usually go to the comments when I need nuts
[10:00:29] <FatPhil> can't go wrong static pages are a good idea.
[10:00:24] <Status-curious> "This page was generated by a Fleet of Overworked Squirrels". I guess we should be sending you nuts, and more squirrels. I'm very good at sending people nuts.
[09:57:59] <chromas> import TheMightyBuzzard;
[09:56:48] <Status-curious> If someone has the access and the available resources, it might be a sensible idea to get status.soylentnews.org working. A plain, no frills, static page would be good. I thought that, in principle, it should be there when the main site was not working, but I fully understand if there are other priorities right now.
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[09:53:34] <Aphrodite> .topicprepend test
[09:53:34] <Bytram> Yes, I don't know how they do that. Still think it is kewel. =)
[09:53:09] <Bytram> =)
[09:52:08] <Bender> karma - tea: 604
[09:52:08] <Aphrodite> coffee--
[09:51:25] <FatPhil> anyway, lunch was lamb masala, and they have a great sri lankan chef, and we asked for it extra hot, so all is good.
[09:51:19] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4910
[09:51:19] <chromas> Coffee--
[09:51:17] <Bender> karma of coffee is 4911
[09:51:17] <Bytram> !karma coffee
[09:51:02] <Bytram> now try to downmod coffee!
[09:50:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4911
[09:50:51] <Bytram> coffee++
[09:50:08] <Bender> karma - chromas: 257
[09:50:08] <FatPhil> Chromas-- bad boi!
[09:48:56] <chromas> and I can upvote myself
[09:48:52] <Bender> karma - chromas: 258
[09:48:52] <chromas> Chromas++
[09:48:49] <chromas> oh yeah
[09:48:48] <Bender> karma - poutine: -433
[09:48:48] <Bytram> poutine-- See!
[09:48:40] <Bender> karma - chromas: 257
[09:48:40] <Bytram> chromas-- Sure you can!
[09:48:19] * Bytram feels bullish that things will work out
[09:48:14] <chromas> But I can't downmod people I disagree with
[09:47:43] <FatPhil> IRC's an interesting fallback - we can play the game of "bullshit conversation", rather than "bullshit argument".
[09:46:49] * Bytram added IRC to site issues story
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[09:45:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Site issues... Investigating 2019-08-15 - http://sylnt.us - Ruh-Roh!
[09:44:50] <chromas> only with ircv3
[09:44:33] <SemperOSS> In 8K?
[09:44:16] <chromas> why_don't_we_have_both?.mp4
[09:43:52] <Bytram> nah, add a marquee
[09:43:25] <chromas> Needs a blinkentag
[09:43:09] Bytram changed topic of #Soylent to: WE ARE AWARE OF THERE BEING ISSUES WITH THE SITE AND THINGS DONE WITHIN THE PAST MONTH OR SO APPEARING TO BE MISSING - INVESTIGATING NOW
[09:43:09] <chromas> no auth
[09:43:03] <chromas> aw
[09:43:00] <chromas> .topicappend site's down, y'all
[09:41:38] <Bytram> .topic SN Main Channel | https://soylentnews.org | Some PISG charts: https://stats.sylnt.us | This channel IS logged and publicly displayed
[09:41:35] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o Bytram] by Aphrodite
[09:41:35] <Bytram> .op
[09:41:18] <Bytram> .topic SN Main Channel | https://soylentnews.org | Some PISG charts: https://stats.sylnt.us | This channel IS logged and publicly displayed
[09:41:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4910
[09:41:01] <SemperOSS> Coffee++
[09:37:46] <FatPhil> i don't remember any of my /. passwords
[09:34:00] <janrinok> nah, I'll stay here, it is more entertaining
[09:33:46] * janrinok goes to find his old /. password
[09:32:43] <chromas> Let's all go to slashdot :D
[09:32:15] <janrinok> Please be patient - I will try to keep you entertained ^W informed with the work being carried out.
[09:31:35] <janrinok> to all those who arrive here: We have major problems at present. We are doing what we can with the people we have available, but certain key figures are not around at the moment.
[09:30:08] * chromas chucks a hammer into the mix
[09:30:01] <janrinok> apparently we have hit a time warp and it is now July again
[09:29:36] <janrinok> our top men and chromas
[09:29:26] <janrinok> I don't think you can access the channel where all the work is going on - but trust me it looks like fun...
[09:29:14] <chromas> We've got our top men on it
[09:26:51] <Status-curious> It will be interesting to find out what went wrong. Thank you in advance to whoever is working to resolve the problem(s). Please don't feel pressured to do things quickly rather than right.
[09:20:58] <Status-curious> I guess I am not the only one to have noticed this.
[09:20:31] <Status-curious> Main site has gone back in time to Friday 12 July.
[09:19:30] <Status-curious> https://status.soylentnews.org is throwing up a kerberos login for chillax.soylentnews.org, rather than a static page.
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[09:07:26] <FatPhil> lunchtime!
[09:07:14] <SemperOSS> Yup
[09:06:48] <FatPhil> so we're saying it's a cluster fuck?
[09:03:47] * SemperOSS is stumped at the mo
[09:03:41] <SemperOSS> We seem to be back to the good old days again.
[08:58:50] * chromas starts apache, but probably ruined SemperOSS's debugging
[08:51:39] <SemperOSS> The current error message is not from Apache
[08:43:39] <chromas> There used to be. Not sure where it was or how to have activated it
[08:43:14] <SemperOSS> Gone
[08:42:57] <SemperOSS> Not that I know
[08:42:46] <FatPhil> DO we have a panic button "sorry, we'll be back shortly" page?
[08:42:45] <SemperOSS> Going ...
[08:42:33] <SemperOSS> Going ...
[08:41:46] <SemperOSS> I'll try rebooting flourine again. OK?
[08:40:01] <SemperOSS> Why that now?
[08:39:55] <SemperOSS> File does not exist /srv/soylentnews.org/rehash/site/soylent-mainpage/htdocs/communityreviews/comments.pl
[08:39:32] <SemperOSS> It is missing
[08:39:23] <SemperOSS> Wrong ... and /srv/soylentnews.org/rehash/site/soylent-mainpage/htdocs/communityreviews/comments.pl
[08:39:23] <chromas> Well, AIDS
[08:39:09] <SemperOSS> And /srv/soylentnews.org/perl/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.20.1/Slash/Utility/Environment.pm
[08:38:36] <SemperOSS> Cluster failure
[08:37:55] <chromas> 503
[08:36:49] <chromas> Replace the front page with https://www.pewpewtactical.com
[08:36:09] * chromas logs in, installs pipedot
[08:35:45] <chromas> Well then we can go back to posting current subs
[08:35:20] <SemperOSS> And that could definitely not go wrong with mixed IDs and such when we restore the new database?
[08:34:42] <chromas> For now, we should just start posting stuff from the ancient queue and pretend everything's normal ;)
[08:34:04] <chromas> Not that I recall
[08:33:31] <SemperOSS> I have not been following the conversations here for some days due to visitors, has there been any indications of goings on?
[08:33:25] <chromas> Not sure what we know, but we do
[08:33:20] <chromas> Could be. Well, now we know
[08:32:55] <chromas> Even the Stories page for editors shows July 12
[08:32:43] <SemperOSS> Somebody was talking about checking the backups, I wonder if they did a test gone wrong?
[08:31:26] <chromas> tmb should be by in a couple hours. Can't remember anyone else's schedule
[08:31:15] <chromas> Not I
[08:30:58] <chromas> I've even got "new" messages from July 11
[08:30:57] <SemperOSS> Oh, oh, oh, oh. Anybody got a direct line to the old hands?
[08:30:37] <chromas> still July 12
[08:30:33] <chromas> now I'm logged in
[08:29:56] <chromas> You're right; the front page was July 12. I didn't notice that
[08:29:27] <chromas> 'cause I'm getting 503s again
[08:29:20] <FatPhil> "11:26 <theanna> What's up with Soylent News? Have they just restored the site from a month-old backup?"
[08:29:11] <SemperOSS> I'll give it an eyeball and see if anything's up
[08:28:41] <chromas> hydrogen or whatever
[08:28:32] <chromas> Does the other box need reboot too?
[08:28:25] * SemperOSS down't care
[08:28:23] <chromas> 503
[08:28:16] * chromas finds something to complain about
[08:28:11] <chromas> Login takes awhile.
[08:27:51] <SemperOSS> Seems we are up again
[08:27:42] <Bender> karma - sempeross: 7
[08:27:42] <chromas> SemperOSS++
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[08:11:07] <chromas> It's probably Russian haxx. OR CTR
[08:00:22] <chromas> 500 in one browser, 403 in another. Weird
[07:58:31] <chromas> You got the rss stuff working it looks like
[07:58:14] <SemperOSS> I am trying to get the frontpage up
[07:57:51] <chromas> Hehe, Forbidden
[07:57:33] <Bender> karma - sempeross: 6
[07:57:33] <chromas> SemperOSS++
[07:57:31] <chromas> At least part of it's working
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[07:57:03] <chromas> 34% of your daily recommended intake
[07:57:03] <FatPhil> 66% acid?
[07:56:52] <FatPhil> last year we had 10% of the month's average, year before that we had 220%. Our error bars are as big as the clouds.
[07:56:45] <chromas> Not 34% chance. It's 34% rain
[07:55:42] <FatPhil> And if "Precip: 34%" meant "only a 34% chance of rain", I'd be happy too. Alas, it means 100% chance of rain. Gonna be fun looking at the climate stats for this month/year, I reckon we're at 150% of august average already.
[07:39:41] <chromas> If the servers all had systemd then I could find the mysqld logs :D
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[07:11:17] <MrPlow> Kesklinn, Tallinn, Estonia - Today: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 66/53F, Humidity: 77%, Precip: 34%, Wind ~11mph. Fri: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 71/58F, Humidity: 76%, Precip: 13%, Wind ~6mph. Sat: "Clear throughout the day." 74/61F, Humidity: 70%, Precip: 5%, Wind ~8mph.
[07:11:16] <FatPhil> #weather Tallinn
[07:09:35] <chromas> Hey, didn't there used to be a "shat's broke" page to stick on the site when things go bad?
[07:08:33] <chromas> Jesus wept.
[06:59:49] * chromas adjusts dunce hat
[06:59:40] <chromas> So where's the current one?
[06:59:35] <chromas> now I just noticed the log's from 2017
[06:58:24] <chromas> Hm, so when I changed key_buffer to key_buffer_size, it still found the old name, but when I comment them out then it works
[06:54:21] <chromas> Thanks for the cheers
[06:54:06] * exec homogeneously gives a stack of buck feta to then
[06:54:05] <chromas> ~g'day then
[06:53:45] <janrinok> I think some things are still being changed as we move from ubuntu to gentoo - but I could be totally wrong about that. Not my part of the ship, as they say.
[06:52:32] <janrinok> I've got to go and look after my wife - be back as soon as I can to continue cheering. Thanks for trying though!
[06:51:33] * chromas noses around in Bytram's home dir. Nothin' there :(
[06:50:44] <chromas> unless there's another script
[06:50:40] <chromas> his script just restarts varnish and apache
[06:50:18] <chromas> Unless it got upgraded and not restarted
[06:50:10] <chromas> That's why I dunno why it's complaining about the config variables. It's been running
[06:50:08] <janrinok> but I thought TMB's script did that
[06:49:30] <janrinok> if it worked last time, it should work again...
[06:48:57] <janrinok> I'm a great believer in organising things so that one big red button (or script) does everything
[06:48:08] <chromas> I guess they're not going anywhere though
[06:47:59] <chromas> if I were a real sysadmin I probably should've looked at the logs first
[06:47:52] <janrinok> poking it with a stick is all you can do at the moment
[06:47:45] <chromas> I don't
[06:47:31] <janrinok> and we don't know what caused the site to go down, do we?
[06:46:31] <janrinok> as long as you change back any changes that you make, we should be good. And you can't make the site any worse - there isn't one at the moment
[06:46:04] <chromas> Maybe I need to learn the find command or something
[06:45:13] <chromas> Hope I don't make things worse ;)
[06:45:03] * chromas puts it back and looks for another file
[06:44:55] <janrinok> something to put in the 'lessons learned' notes I suppose
[06:44:14] <chromas> still shows the same error so I must be editing the wrong my.cnf (there's a bunch of 'em)
[06:43:34] <chromas> the log's saying key_buffer is an invalid variable. I tried changing it to the more moderner key_buffer_size but starting the sqld takes all day
[06:42:46] <chromas> tmb's bounce script doesn't do the sql part
[06:42:15] <janrinok> Is there a single script that restarts everything, in the correct order, with the correct usernames?
[06:41:34] <janrinok> All I can do is cheer you on from the sidelines
[06:29:10] <chromas> in mysql/error.log
[06:29:02] <chromas> [ERROR] Aborting
[06:29:02] <chromas> [ERROR] unknown variable 'key_buffer=16M'
[06:27:34] <chromas> Well there, I managed to change it to a different error. Now it can't connect to mysqld at all
[06:16:05] <janrinok> I wasn't going to ask :)
[06:15:51] <chromas> Sorta weird I don't really know what I'm doing but I have access to everything.
[06:13:27] <chromas> whew
[06:13:03] <janrinok> I'll make sure it doesn't affect your pay!
[06:12:12] <chromas> Think of all the lost ad revenues :'(
[05:59:51] * chromas will soon be fired
[05:59:22] * chromas just restarts things and hopes they don't break some more
[05:58:37] <chromas> I actually have no idea how mysql-cluster works
[05:55:47] <chromas> Figured out I had to systemctl stop home.mount
[05:55:38] <chromas> I remember when I discovered systemd takes over automount duty when umount /home kept remounting itself
[05:54:43] <chromas> Whatever's on gentoo I guess
[05:54:39] <chromas> Nah, the other boxes have some other initd
[05:54:28] <hopdevil> 99 problems and systemd is most of those?
[05:54:17] <chromas> or at least, slashd thinks so
[05:54:05] <chromas> I think the db servers have aids
[05:53:47] <chromas> ooh, this box has systemd
[05:53:36] <hopdevil> 503 now, not sure if that is an improvement
[05:51:17] <chromas> Maybe if I say NCommander or fyngyrz or paulej72 or some other names, they'll magically appear
[05:50:07] <chromas> Well I didn't fix it, but I still earned this here banana bread
[05:46:24] <chromas> I bet I was supposed to restart mysqld as a particular user
[05:46:09] * chromas fiddles around like he knows what he's doing
[05:42:59] <Sulla> I felt bad submitting an article from them as I don't know how much i trust them as a source
[05:42:49] <chromas> 4009 Cluster Failure
[05:42:41] <Sulla> Glad someone submitted the veritas article
[05:42:30] <chromas> tmb's bounce script didn't fix it
[05:36:15] <chromas> Same here
[05:35:47] <hopdevil> I'm getting 500s, anyone else?
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[04:55:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Former Google Employee Leaks Docs to Project Veritas, Claims Google Initiated Police Wellness Check - http://sylnt.us - don't-not-do-evil
[04:04:49] <upstart> ^ 03Autopsy finds broken bones in Epstein's neck, deepening questions around his death
[04:04:48] <Sulla> https://www.lmtonline.com
[04:04:40] <Sulla> "Among the bones broken in Epstein's neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam's apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation, the experts said."
[04:04:38] <Sulla> Epstein murder starting to get interesting
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[00:13:43] * AndyTheAbsurd passes the can to FatPhil for him to finish off.
[00:13:19] <AndyTheAbsurd> I have decided that I do not like this beer.
[00:07:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> it's...stronger than what I usually drink (without going straight to liquor).
[00:07:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> "Victory Golden Monkey" - "Belgian-style Tripel Ale with added spice" - 9.5% Alc/Vol
[00:06:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Many Decimals of Pi Do We Really Need? - http://sylnt.us - that's-the-combination-to-my-luggage!