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[03:40:26] <Fnord666> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[03:40:27] <upstart> Submitting "Soon you’ll be able to watch PBS on YouTube"...
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[04:13:36] <Exaeta> TheMightyBuzzard: mind mod-banning the troll that keeps mod bombing me?
[04:13:39] <Exaeta> https://soylentnews.org
[04:13:41] <upstart> ^ 03Journal of exaeta (6957)
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[04:13:56] <Exaeta> oof
[04:14:00] <Exaeta> irc crashed
[04:14:14] <Exaeta> https://soylentnews.org donno if you got the link
[04:14:15] <upstart> ^ 03Journal of exaeta (6957)
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[04:14:47] <Exaeta> god damn my irc crashes when I post links
[04:14:56] <Exaeta> whatever
[04:15:15] <Exaeta> somebody is mob bombing me.
[04:15:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Exaeta, aren't any mod bombs recently.
[04:15:20] <Exaeta> as usual
[04:15:25] <Exaeta> really?
[04:15:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[04:15:43] <Exaeta> there are different users modding all my comments troll?
[04:15:51] <Exaeta> That makes no sense.
[04:15:53] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[04:16:06] <Exaeta> Are you sure it's not alts?
[04:16:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> a mod bomb is five or more in a day by one user. that's not happened even by multiple users.
[04:16:48] <Exaeta> Well they are singling out my comments. It's less than that but they're literally downmodding everything I post
[04:17:02] <Exaeta> Simply because I don't post thay much atm
[04:17:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> you've got three on one day and two on another in the past three days
[04:17:35] <Exaeta> Yeah, and that's basically all my comments
[04:19:21] <Exaeta> It just looks like mod bombing to me.
[04:19:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> worth discussing but it doesn't meet mod-bomb criteria as currently written so there's squat i can do about it. until that changes.
[04:20:25] <Exaeta> so basically if you say N downmods per day then we get N-1 downmods
[04:20:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like over half of your recent comments are unmoderated period though, so it may just appear that way to you.
[04:21:46] <Exaeta> Heh. Possible. I don't normally get this many downmods unless I piss off aristicraus though
[04:22:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> you gotta define the rule somehow or it's going to be admins doing what looks right to them. that never makes for unicorns and rainbows.
[04:22:43] <Exaeta> Being able to see who places mods would be a cool feature to discourage moderation abuse.
[04:23:15] <Exaeta> Maybe only for new mods placed after, to avoid any issue with old mods people made assuming they were anonymous
[04:23:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. lot of folks like doing the same to me. upmods don't always come at the same time as downmods.
[04:23:20] <Bytram> and a means to immediately commence to downmodding anybody who downmodded you?
[04:23:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> evens out usually.
[04:23:55] <Exaeta> Bytram: At least as a way to identify abuse patterns and distinguish it from random downmods
[04:23:57] <Bytram> comment moderation should be independent of the submitter's nick
[04:24:40] <Bytram> from what I have seen, the vast vast majority of the community is respectful of the moderation guidelines.
[04:25:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> well us admins and possibly eds can see it. plenty of crappy moderating happens but more good moderating happens, so it hasn't been that big of a deal except in short bursts.
[04:25:56] <Bytram> I haven't been following that closely lately, but over a two-month period I recall the only moderation abuse I saw was by a sockpuppet upmodding his own comments.
[04:25:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> even our most opinionated folks usually don't go all vendetta. cept one.
[04:26:05] <Exaeta> I'm pretty sure he started trolling my thread after I modded him offtopic and he retailated against me.
[04:26:31] <Bytram> he should have no way to know that it was you that downmodded him
[04:26:52] <Exaeta> I did reply to him after. The timing probably gave it away.
[04:27:59] <Exaeta> How much karma do you need to post at +2?
[04:28:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> not sure, i have that turned off. probably like 20 or 25.
[04:28:56] <Bytram> so, post a bunch of comments, and if s/he tries to downmod all of them, then they will run afowl of the guidelines and thus attract our attention.
[04:29:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you post regular it's not really an issue unless you troll your butt off.
[04:30:52] <Exaeta> I have a long way to go then lol. I guess I'm safe.
[04:31:36] <Exaeta> We could use a few better mods than redundant and offtopic though, like "misleading" which is different than disagree or whatever.
[04:31:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> 25, just looked it up
[04:31:58] <Exaeta> Okay then I'll be fine.
[04:32:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, personally i prefer misleading stuff or just incorrect stuff stay visible and get replied to so you can see it refuted
[04:33:20] <Exaeta> Like a -1 Misleading and a 0 Unsupported would be nice mods to have.
[04:33:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> much more effective than moderation given that a lot of folks browse at -1
[04:34:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> overrated's good if it's been upmodded by folks before being refuted.
[04:34:33] <Exaeta> Sometimes people post just to complain about stuff missing citations or whatever. Might be good to have a mod for that.
[04:34:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yeah, we could probably use a few more mods.
[04:35:40] <Exaeta> And maybe a -1 Incorrect. But people might abuse it where disagree is appropriate instead.
[04:36:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> may run a meta FA about it shortly before the next update since it's a non-code change for the most part. include the ones least likely to cause problems and most likely to further discussion.
[04:36:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[04:36:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> moderation ain't sposed to be a thumbs up thumbs down thing. popularity should be irrelevant.
[04:37:25] <Exaeta> 0 Misinformed?
[04:37:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> does it need a mod or does it need a reply though?
[04:39:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> frankly, i kinda like techdirt's system. you can upvote stuff but there's only one downmod type thing in the form of "report"
[04:40:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> that has its flaws as well though.
[04:40:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> no counter to groupthink
[04:42:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, my resistor colors comment got popular
[04:46:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, don't sweat karma too much. it comes and it goes but you're mostly going to stay at 50 unless you piss half the site off all the time.
[04:47:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> your comments can only be downmodded twice if you have the karma bonus but they can be upmodded 3-4 times.
[04:47:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> so it's mathematically more difficult to lose karma than to gain it.
[05:42:06] * upstart needs to shitpost to balance the submission karmas
[05:44:14] <chromas> I didn't realize Linux ran on Windows
[05:44:30] <chromas> Just woke up to see laptop rebooted itself
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[08:10:42] <aristarchus> Snowflackes of the alt-right rule! Unless someone says not nice things about them.
[08:23:03] <FatPhil> I don't like the modern use of "snowflake". Originally it was used to indicate uniqueness, but nowadays there's complete homogeneity of the group being called snowflakes.
[08:23:21] <FatPhil> But that's just me.
[08:23:48] <aristarchus> Want to lodge a complaint about mod-bombing. Exaeta has down-modded me, only because he thinks I have downmodded him, without the slightest bit of evidence, which as a wannabe lawyer, he should realize is an actionable violation of the code of the bar.
[08:24:23] <FatPhil> 2 pints of beer and a packet of crisps is the code of the bars I attend.
[08:25:13] <aristarchus> "Snowflackes" are not the same as "snowflakes". Snowflakes are unique individuals, but snowflackes are all the same.
[08:27:06] <aristarchus> FatPhill++
[08:27:06] <Bender> karma - fatphill: 1
[08:27:23] <aristarchus> FatPhil++
[08:27:23] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 42
[08:27:47] <aristarchus> Weather Samos
[08:28:20] <aristarchus> #Weather Samos
[08:30:25] <aristarchus> #weather pythagoreio
[08:30:26] <MrPlow> Iliad, Melissou, 831 03 Pythagorio, Greece - Today: Clear throughout the day. 85/74F. Humidity 67%. Precip 2%. Wind ~5mph. Wed: Clear throughout the day. 87/77F. Humidity 61%. Precip 1%. Wind ~9mph. Thu: Clear throughout the day. 88/77F. Humidity 52.999996%. Precip 1%. Wind ~11mph.
[08:30:59] <aristarchus> Ah, perfect!
[08:35:15] <FatPhil> 'orrible.
[08:35:50] <FatPhil> I see no obvious evidence of exaeta modbombing you.
[08:36:22] <FatPhil> Shame about thursday's weather, I'm sure you'd have preferred 53% humidity.
[08:38:40] <aristarchus> It's a Mediterranean thing. We see lots of Germans hereabouts, and no complaints. Especially in February.
[08:43:44] <aristarchus> And of course there is no evidence of exaeta mod-bombing me! He is just that clever! But he is convinced that I am mod-bombing him, not even knowing the definition of the same, so I thought I would reciprocate the honor.
[08:46:04] <aristarchus> Curiously, he appealed directly to TMB, even though TMB is not technically admin. Sympatico, mon frere?
[08:47:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Moon is Older Than Previously Believed - http://sylnt.us - depends-what-you-believe
[09:08:40] <chromas> fake mewns
[09:12:04] <aristarchus> ὦ θαυμάσιε Μέλητε, ἵνα τί ταῦτα λέγεις; οὐδὲ ἥλιον οὐδὲ σελήνην ἄρα νομίζω θεοὺς εἶναι, ὥσπερ οἱ ἄλλοι ἄνθρωποι; μὰ Δί᾽, ὦ ἄνδρες δικασταί, ἐπεὶ τὸν μὲν ἥλιον λίθον φησὶν εἶναι, τὴν δὲ σελήνην γῆν.
[09:12:57] <aristarchus> Plato, Apology, Socrates crossing Meletus
[09:31:33] <FatPhil> "Exaeta has down-modded me" "of course there is no evidence of exaeta mod-bombing me" - you know you can appear a bit http://www.flamewarriorsguide.com occasionally, right?
[09:33:25] <aristarchus> Philosophers deal in the distinction between appearance and reality. Unlike wannabe lawyers.
[09:52:51] <FatPhil> philosophers don't draw enough distinction between their heads and their arses.
[09:54:19] <aristarchus> Phlattery will get you know-where!
[09:57:28] <FatPhil> in the case of modding, the phenomenon and the noumenon are one and the same.
[09:59:45] <aristarchus> Unless, of course, it is Apollo, or some other noumenal being, doing the modding. Then we mere temporal mortals could not distinguish. Exaeta could be cursed by the gods.
[10:00:36] <aristarchus> Or downmodded by Soylentils. Your point stands.
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[11:03:47] <FatPhil> was there a story on this while I was away? https://www.scientificamerican.com
[11:03:48] <upstart> ^ 03World's Largest Nuclear Fusion Experiment Clears Milestone ( https://www.scientificamerican.com )
[11:21:27] <chromas> I don't see one
[11:24:51] <FatPhil> #submit https://www.scientificamerican.com
[11:24:52] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[11:25:17] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[11:46:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - College Financial-Aid Loophole: Wealthy Parents Transfer Guardianship of Their Teens to Get Aid - http://sylnt.us
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[12:06:25] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:06:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4879
[12:06:41] <Bytram> and time to hit the showers if I have any hope of being at work in less than an hour.
[12:06:52] <Bytram> gtg. have a great day everyone!
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[13:04:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:04:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4880
[13:14:07] <AzumaHazuki> Diet Monster++
[13:14:18] <AzumaHazuki> aww, it doesn't like energy drinks?
[13:16:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> it likes em fine, it's spaces it hates on
[13:16:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's a workaround though
[13:17:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> {Diet Monster}++
[13:17:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, nope. what was it...
[13:17:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> (Diet Monster)++
[13:17:23] <Bender> karma - (diet monster): 1
[13:17:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> or underscore of course
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[14:13:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> #submit https://medium.com hashtag satire
[14:13:53] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[14:16:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> =submit https://medium.com hashtag satire
[14:16:17] <upstart> Submitting "‘No way to prevent this’, Says Only Development Community Where This Regularly Happens"...
[14:16:39] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "‘No Way to Prevent This’, Says Only Development Community Where This Regularly Happens" (7 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[17:30:38] <Sulla> The apollo as we saw it documentary by daily wire was pretty good
[17:30:57] <Sulla> I don't normally like anything provided by the daily wire, but this was especially well done
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[19:47:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - RED Blames Chinese Manufacturer for "Hydrogen One" Issues, Confirms Second Smartphone - http://sylnt.us - will-it-ever-fly?
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[21:26:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - It's 2019, and One Third of Businesses Still Have Active Windows XP Deployments on the Net - http://sylnt.us - Any-WfWG-FTW?
[21:39:51] <chromas> from the current-year dept
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[22:05:52] <Sulla> ~submit https://www.independent.co.uk
[22:05:55] <Sulla> Japan making anime real
[22:15:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> s/anime/The Island of Dr. Moreau/
[22:15:19] <AndyTheAbsurd> ...well, anime too I guess.
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[22:56:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Coronal Hole Activity on 31 July-1 Aug, 2019 - http://sylnt.us - Auroras-Are-Amazing
[23:12:42] * TheMightyBuzzard waits patiently for the cornhole jokes to arrive
[23:13:46] <Sulla> psh
[23:13:51] <Sulla> aurora predictions have a mag 4 at amx
[23:13:53] <Sulla> thats nothing
[23:14:02] <Sulla> not even worth talking about
[23:26:21] <Sulla> Snow's journal entry has more agreement across a broad swath of SN than any article i have seen before
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