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[02:50:09] <Bytram> time for bed; see ya'all later!
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[06:57:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ramanujan Machine Automatically Generates Conjectures for Fundamental Constants - http://sylnt.us - it-all-adds-up!
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[07:44:58] <FatPhil> #submit https://www.bloomberg.com
[07:44:59] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[07:45:14] <FatPhil> ~submit https://www.bloomberg.com
[07:45:16] <exec> error: description meta content not found or empty
[07:47:25] <FatPhil> WHat the fuck has happened to the web?
[07:47:46] <FatPhil> I indeed see no title in the line-noise that is the source of that page. However, I do see:
[07:47:49] <FatPhil> meta property="og:title" content="YouTube's Trampled Foes Plot Antitrust Revenge">
[07:48:07] <FatPhil> <meta name="twitter:title" content="YouTube's Trampled Foes Plot Antitrust Revenge">
[07:48:23] <FatPhil> <meta name="parsely-title" content="YouTube's Trampled Foes Plot Antitrust Revenge">
[07:49:00] <FatPhil> <meta name="sailthru.title" content="YouTube's Trampled Foes Plot Antitrust Revenge">
[08:02:15] <janrinok> hello world
[08:09:23] * janrinok is lurking
[08:28:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Nuked Tech Support Ads to Kill off Scammers. OK. It Also Blew Away Legit Repair Shops. Not OK - http://sylnt.us - collateral-damage
[08:33:02] <FatPhil> !submit https://www.zerohedge.com
[08:33:28] <FatPhil> #submit https://www.zerohedge.com
[08:33:28] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[08:33:53] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[09:17:27] <Bytram> janrinok: !!
[10:06:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Musk's Newest Startup is Venturing into a Series of Hard Problems - http://sylnt.us - Borg-1.0
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[10:25:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:25:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4856
[11:36:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Thirty Years of Unique Data Reveal What's Really Killing Coral Reefs - http://sylnt.us - not-what-you-think
[11:39:50] <janrinok> Bytram !! Sorry, I was away for lunch...
[11:42:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, neither bot uses the title for summary/description. that's supposed to be a summary of the page, longer than the title.
[12:19:49] <FatPhil> and if it can't find that longer summary, why doesn't it use the title?
[12:21:01] <FatPhil> graceful fallback
[12:32:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause we don't hate our eds _quite_ that much.
[12:42:56] <FatPhil> just the submitters who have to try repeatedly to find a source/bot combo that works?
[12:44:14] <FatPhil> Or do the bots mean "unable to find any content on that page"? Because the 2nd of the error messages really isn't worded that well if that's the case.
[12:50:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, they look for a meta description. most everyone has those for social media purposes but not everyone.
[13:00:34] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:00:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4857
[13:00:45] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[13:00:47] * exec irrevocably hurls a slice of lettuce at TheMightyBuzzard
[13:03:43] <FatPhil> So it's looking for:
[13:03:45] <FatPhil> <meta name="description" content="Brian O’Kelley built AppNexus Inc. to help companies advertise anywhere on the internet. Its software plugged into virtually every digital ad-trading hub, including those from Google, the biggest ad seller, and Google’s YouTube video service. By 2014, AppNexus was valued at $1.2 billion.">
[13:04:04] <FatPhil> or: <meta property="og:description" content="Brian O’Kelley built AppNexus Inc. to help companies advertise anywhere on the internet. Its software plugged into virtually every digital ad-trading hub, including those from Google, the biggest ad seller, and Google’s YouTube video service. By 2014, AppNexus was valued at $1.2 billion.">
[13:04:16] <FatPhil> or: <meta name="fb:status" content="Brian O’Kelley built AppNexus Inc. to help companies advertise anywhere on the internet. Its software plugged into virtually every digital ad-trading hub, including those from Google, the biggest ad seller, and Google’s YouTube video service. By 2014, AppNexus was valued at $1.2 billion.">
[13:04:30] <FatPhil> or: <meta name="twitter:description" content="Brian O’Kelley built AppNexus Inc. to help companies advertise anywhere on the internet. Its software plugged into virtually every digital ad-trading hub, including those from Google, the biggest ad seller, and Google’s YouTube video service. By 2014, AppNexus was valued at $1.2 billion.">
[13:04:48] <Bytram> FatPhil: TheMightyBuzzard: chromas: janrinok: What *I* would like to see is a "page" in the site UI where I can paste in a URL and it returns a scraped copy of the target. Could have a drop-down list to select which bot's parser to use. It could retrieve the target *once* and then use that one download for each parsing effort.
[13:04:59] <FatPhil> or: meta name="sailthru.description" content="Brian O’Kelley built AppNexus Inc. to help companies advertise anywhere on the internet. Its software plugged into virtually every digital ad-trading hub, including those from Google, the biggest ad seller, and Google’s YouTube video service. By 2014, AppNexus was valued at $1.2 billion.">
[13:05:09] <Bytram> The main advanatage is that we would not have a complete copy of the target story accessible on our site.
[13:05:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Anthem Thinks its ‘Virtuous Cycle’ With Doc.Ai Can Improve Patient Care - http://sylnt.us - improving-outcomes
[13:07:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[13:07:24] * exec retroactively dereferences a pointer to a megabyte of nudez and aminals for Bytram
[13:08:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, some combination or subset of those, yes.
[13:09:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i may add a -FU switch to the #submit command that'll sub anything with a title but i have other bits i'm working on this week.
[13:10:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i think i'll make -F = ignore missing titles, -U ignore missing descriptions, and -FU sub anything that's a valid link.
[13:15:09] <Bytram> All those negative-sense switches! #submit URL --title-required=[Y|n] --description-required=[Y|n] --text=Please include this text in the submission (uppercase indicates default value)
[13:15:34] <Bytram> and, of course, have #submit --help give a list of options with examples/.
[13:16:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> pshaw. if you can't have fun with your switches, what's the point of writing them in the first place?
[13:17:26] <Bytram> umm, to make them... usable?
[13:17:34] <Bytram> intuitive
[13:17:36] <Bytram> helpful
[13:17:55] <Bytram> human factors
[13:18:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> you lost me at usable
[13:18:38] <Bytram> then that means you are... lost?
[13:18:42] <Bytram> in space?
[13:18:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's like you're just saying words that have no relation to the topic at spaghetti
[13:19:02] <Bytram> mmmm pasta!
[13:20:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> not working on it at the moment but i'm in the middle of fixing #weather and reworking #fite
[13:20:44] <Bytram> that reminds me...
[13:21:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is to say i had the #fite rework 3/4 done and started working on #weather instead
[13:23:58] <Bytram> lol; nod nod... I've done that so many times myself
[13:24:38] <Bytram> come to a point where need to think things through a bit... give it a break, and then get reminded of something else that needed attention and take a stab at that in the interim
[13:24:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's because i hate myself and love making complex merges a thing i have to deal with.
[13:25:06] <Bytram> you are just trying to get better at making complex mergers!
[13:25:22] * Bytram should take a look at the code and offer a couple changes to make it all the more interesting
[13:26:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> it really needs rewritten. i rely far too much on external libraries and that makes the binary absolutely huge compared to what it should be.
[13:28:12] <Bytram> IIRC it is written in rust?
[13:29:05] <janrinok> Bytram, would it matter which language any scraper is written in?
[13:30:01] <janrinok> Arthur already has the ability to take in a URL and return the scraped content
[13:30:16] <Bytram> umm, if we have an API with a simple protocol (call bot with arg string; bot sends STDOUT in return) api captures result and posts to UI
[13:30:54] <Bytram> thinking out loud, but then any command could be invoked so long as we can capture its STDOUT
[13:31:17] <Bytram> hey!
[13:31:22] <Bytram> janrinok !!!!!!!
[13:31:30] <janrinok> Bytram !!!!!!!!
[13:31:31] <Bytram> so good to 'see' you!
[13:31:41] <janrinok> good to be back'ish
[13:31:47] <Bytram> best wishes to you and to S
[13:32:01] <janrinok> thank you - she returned home from hospital last Friday
[13:32:08] <Bytram> I take that as a sign that things have improved, or at least normalized a bit?
[13:32:14] <Bytram> yay!
[13:32:21] <Bytram> I'm assuming that is good news, right?
[13:33:07] <janrinok> yeah, her condition is the same but we have some new techniques for overcoming the problems. And there is still work ongoing around the house but, hell, that is nothing to get too excited about
[13:34:02] <Bytram> so, progress of a sort, at least?
[13:34:12] <janrinok> we are happy for the time being :)
[13:36:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, sorry, got distracted talkin fishin
[13:36:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah rust
[13:36:18] <janrinok> TMB, the thing that I like about Python is that all the libraries are installed as standard with every distro I have ever used.
[13:36:50] <Bytram> what version of Python are you using?
[13:36:58] <janrinok> they are installed and updated automatically with no need to drag any more in
[13:37:15] <janrinok> Python 3 - Python 2 is deprecated with no more updates from next year
[13:37:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> dishonest idiots are installed in congress by default too but that don't make em like congress =P
[13:37:20] <Bytram> when I first looked into learning it, there was a big 2.something vs 3.newest debate going on about which to use.
[13:37:45] <Bytram> so, the Python folk finally got past that. good!
[13:38:04] <janrinok> Bytram, initially that was the case but that was resolved several years ago (2016/17 ish)
[13:38:42] <janrinok> Unless you are writing to maintain legacy code you would be daft to choose P2 now
[13:38:46] <Bytram> I musta looked into it at the exact wrong time as things were "as clear as mud" at that point.
[13:39:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, consider the venue you just said that in
[13:39:21] <Bytram> Do I use 2.* and have useful stuff to hand or do I go 3.* and face a load of potential incompatibilities and instabilities?
[13:39:33] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[13:39:53] <Bytram> janrinok: Oh! Before I forget, please give a big mushy kiss to S for me!
[13:39:53] <janrinok> yeah, we are maintaining legacy perl etc, but there is nothing to say we have to use P2
[13:40:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> true
[13:40:36] <Bytram> any idea of which Python we have installed on our boxes atm?
[13:40:43] <janrinok> I wouldn't choose Python if I was rewriting Rehash but that is because it is not the best language for the job IMO
[13:40:50] <Bytram> s/h /h version of /
[13:40:53] <exec> <Bytram> any idea of which version of Python we have installed on our boxes atm?
[13:40:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> but like we didn't just choose to because it needed doing, we chose to above all other options.
[13:41:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> something is probably wrong with us
[13:41:23] <janrinok> most distros still install P2 and P3 as default nowadays
[13:41:58] <Bytram> say what you will about Perl, but it still seems to be the leader when it comes to string processing, and that is pretty much all that rehash *is* (except for statistics tracking and time calcs)
[13:42:04] <Bytram> k
[13:42:32] <Bytram> has prolly been awhile since our servers were last updated, is why I asked.
[13:42:49] <janrinok> I saw audioguy mention Gentoo the other day, but I thought that we were running Ubuntu. It matters not - both provide P2 and P3
[13:42:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> C and rust can do it faster but take longer to write and have compile times
[13:43:14] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:43:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, ya, dev and our load balancer are gentoo at the moment. everything is going there eventually though.
[13:43:58] <janrinok> I'll have to run up a Gentoo VM...
[13:44:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> you have a static ip?
[13:44:38] <janrinok> Bytram, S reciprocates your greetings!
[13:45:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you do i can add it to the firewall and you can get the precompiled packages off dev
[13:45:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> like magnesium does
[13:45:23] <Bytram> janrinok: mare sea!
[13:45:42] <janrinok> I have a fixed IP6 address and an IP4 which hasn't changed in ages but isn't guaranteed to remain the same
[13:46:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> bender is 2.7 btw
[13:46:22] <Bytram> that reminds me...
[13:46:23] <Bytram> !uid
[13:46:24] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 8267, owned by robinsonsjacob
[13:46:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ipv6 be less hassle then
[13:46:41] <janrinok> tru dat
[13:47:21] <janrinok> I'll come back to you on that TMB, I'd have to open some ports on my router I presume
[13:47:53] <Bytram> lol! UID: 8255, nick: JuSTice4Aristarchus!Now
[13:47:57] <janrinok> What is the benefit of Gentoo, other than we have full control over the compilation process
[13:48:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i'd have to open them on dev. you'd just have to add BINHOST="lithium.soylentnews.org" to your make.conf i think.
[13:48:52] <janrinok> Oh, I'll have to go look at what is involved....
[13:50:08] <janrinok> Bytram, any idea who is behind all the xxxAristarchus subs that I am seeing. I deleted a couple of them yesterday. Looks like a troll or something.
[13:50:18] <Bytram> none atm
[13:50:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> not much aside from booting from any linux disk, mounting the vm hdd partition, unrolling a tarball, chrooting, and updating
[13:50:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean you'd prolly wanna change the hostname and ip address but shurg
[13:51:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> someone in irc. Bytram could ircop snoop on them but he prolly forgot how =P
[13:53:26] <Bytram> To "forget how" would suggest that at one point I once actually *knew* how!
[13:53:40] * janrinok suspects that some people install VMs very differently from the way he does it .....
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[13:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion showed you once. i member. you just need to use less wd40 on your brain so things quit sliding off.
[13:54:19] <Bytram> I'm mostly hands off when it comes to IRC.
[13:54:41] * janrinok just opens VirtualBox, throws in a distro binary and lets it get on with it
[13:54:44] <Bytram> well, don't recognize it by that name, then.
[13:55:29] <janrinok> Bytram, that is a sign of age.... Don't ask me how I know...
[13:55:36] <Bytram> Huh?
[13:55:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> know what?
[13:55:52] <janrinok> welcome both to the club
[13:56:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i started interning for the club when i was fifteen and saw a bunch of old guys sitting outside the blacksmith shop drinking coffee all morning. said "that's what i want to be when i grow up" and been practicing ever since.
[13:57:27] <janrinok> yeah, but you have to grow up first, not just get older. That's where I failed too
[13:58:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> true. quality grouchiness has to be earned.
[13:59:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> .kick MrPlow GET OFF MY LAWN
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[14:00:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> wish i could be arsed to make him auth all proper but since he's connecting to 127.0.0.1 instead of going over the network, i just can't.
[14:01:05] <janrinok> I take you are on vacation or day off Bytram ?
[14:01:30] <Bytram> vacation
[14:01:40] <janrinok> great - how long for?
[14:01:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> copycat
[14:02:06] <Bytram> took an "act of congress" but arranged to get two *consecutive* weeks
[14:02:25] <Bytram> back to work this coming saturdat
[14:02:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> wow. you may even get bored by the end of it
[14:02:32] <Bytram> s/t$/y/
[14:02:34] <exec> <Bytram> back to work this coming saturday
[14:02:37] <Bytram> not likely
[14:02:57] * Bytram spends way too much time here pushing out stories; is hard to get a real and total break
[14:02:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you do, just practice your competitive napping
[14:03:15] <Bytram> now *that* I have been working on!!
[14:04:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of, i should get off my butt and get dressed before nap time
[14:04:50] <Bytram> aren't naps supposed to be clothing optional?
[14:05:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, it just feels a bit less slackery if i'm at least dressed for the day by the time i need a nap
[14:07:01] <Bytram> *laughter*
[14:07:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> either way, ima get up and be semi-productive for a bit so i can nap the nap of the righteous in an hour or two
[14:07:10] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:07:22] * Bytram should do likewise
[14:07:33] <janrinok> I like to see a man dedicated to doing something properly
[14:09:14] <Bytram> janrinok: You shoulda watched me do the certs update =)
[14:09:18] <janrinok> Bytram, are you putting the emails from 'Rick M.' in the bin for the time being?
[14:09:33] <Bytram> ??
[14:09:37] * Bytram goes to look
[14:10:23] <janrinok> they are posted to 'editors'@sn.org I've been binning them because it looks like he might want paying - lol
[14:11:07] <janrinok> 'Re: Sponsored contribution for soylentnews.org'
[14:11:29] <Bytram> oh! Anything like that goes straight to the bit bucket
[14:11:38] <janrinok> good decision
[14:13:39] <Bytram> I do not entertain *any* invitation for any commercial access to soylentnews. Not to post their stuff. Not to list our stuff. Avoiding even the appearance of any kind of impropriety.
[14:13:46] <janrinok> You can always tell someone who hasn't got a clue what our site is about...
[14:13:57] <Bytram> now THAT is for sure!
[14:14:12] <Bytram> 'specially when they link to a story in our *submission* queue!
[14:25:49] <Bytram> well... time for break. biab, I think.
[14:38:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Open-Sources Hermes JavaScript Engine to Improve React Native Android App Performance - http://sylnt.us - not-all-bad
[14:45:28] <janrinok> sorry, got distracted by the nurse's visit...
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[16:16:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Machine That Made the Moon Missions Possible - http://sylnt.us - the-right-stuff
[16:48:25] <chromas> Bytram: I have a page like that, but it only does my bot :)
[17:45:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google's "Go" Team Decides Not To Give It A "try" - http://sylnt.us - No!-Try-not.-Do,-or-do-not.-There-is-no-try.-YODA
[19:07:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~time x
[19:07:45] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Wednesday, 17 July 2019, 7:07 pm
[19:27:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Starhopper Raptor Engine Fireball on Pad Erupts - http://sylnt.us - anomalies
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[21:24:53] * FatPhil just watched Apollo 11 - nice visuals.
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