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[23:19:46] <upstart> ^ 03World's smallest MRI performed on single atoms
[23:19:45] <RandomFactor> https://phys.org
[23:18:27] <upstart> ^ 03Billions of Records Including Passwords Leaked by Smart Home Vendor
[23:18:26] <RandomFactor> Wheeeeee doggies! https://www.bleepingcomputer.com
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[22:57:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Oppo Introduces Proprietary Smartphone-Based Mesh Network Framework - http://sylnt.us - not-oppo-sed-to-it
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[21:16:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA to Test Launch Orion Capsule on Tuesday - http://sylnt.us - gotta-get-away
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[19:46:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Berlin Brandenburg: The Airport with Half a Million Faults - http://sylnt.us - You-Thought-Your-Builders-Were-Bad
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[19:10:08] <boru> Yandex is still going strong, though.
[19:10:02] <boru> Ah, Baidu, of course.
[19:09:05] <boru> ISTR a few eepsites that were long running experiments to build a www search engine gateway out of eepspace.
[19:07:37] <boru> For shame.
[19:07:05] <Carny> lol altavista died before most of these kids were born ;]
[19:06:51] <chromas> bought by yahoo
[19:06:24] <boru> What ever happened to altavista.
[19:06:23] <Carny> i don't think yahoo has had their own search engine for years
[19:06:20] <chromas> yahoo uses bing last I heard
[19:06:12] <boru> Is yahoo even still around?
[19:06:05] <boru> Wha about yandex? Or yahoo?
[19:05:55] <boru> ixquick, I think.
[19:05:41] <boru> Hmm.
[19:05:26] <Carny> boru: is there any search engine besides bing that doesn't use google in the back end?
[19:03:36] <chromas> We should accept them for $100,000 each
[19:03:26] <chromas> I guess if we're getting emails about sponsored stories, we must've made it bigt time
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[18:32:47] <fyngyrz> likewise redhat. Left it, never looked back.
[18:29:51] <boru> Aye, I had a box knocking around for testing stuff on Linux, but it's been a while since I've touched it, also.
[18:28:39] <SemperOSS> They say you never forget your first, but I seem to have forgotten almost all about Slackware
[18:28:33] <boru> Yuck. I think calling those android distros Linux is a bit disingenuous.
[18:27:24] <SemperOSS> Apparently 49 non-systemd distros
[18:27:24] <boru> That's quite a few. Interesting.
[18:26:48] <upstart> ^ 03Category:Linux distributions without systemd - Wikipedia
[18:26:48] <SemperOSS> https://en.wikipedia.org
[18:26:34] <boru> Yeah, I'd like to see slack stick around for a while, yet.
[18:25:38] <SemperOSS> boru, I hope the non-systemd systems will last at least until I have left the planet
[18:23:33] <boru> startpage is alright, but you still get the google censorship.
[18:23:10] <FatPhil> Carny: I have not, I can give anything a go, I guess. I like DDG's lightweight HTML-only interface.
[18:23:09] <chromas> There's also Void Linux and some others
[18:22:55] <boru> I thought Slackware was the last bastion.
[18:22:50] <boru> The no-systemd thing.
[18:22:45] <boru> How long will that last for?
[18:22:39] <chromas> Take down one competitor by taking down another. It's like building 7
[18:22:19] <SemperOSS> I have installed PCLinuxOS on my new laptop and the support is nice and the cult still takes in new converted ... and it is systemd free!
[18:21:11] * chromas laughs in Mandark
[18:21:06] <chromas> That was the true goal all along
[18:17:58] <boru> The most annoying thing about the systemd fallout is all of the linux refugees over to BSD. They're insufferable.
[18:16:32] <Carny> FatPhil: have you tried disconnect or startpage for searching?
[18:16:20] <SemperOSS> Maybe systemd is god's punishment on the Linux community for losing their ways and stray from Windows?
[18:15:58] <boru> It's feckin bonkers.
[18:14:56] <Carny> lol
[18:14:50] <SemperOSS> But AIDS can actually be contained these days
[18:14:13] <Carny> systemd is infecting everything like aids
[18:10:02] <boru> On an unrelated note, wtf is up with lennux these days? I `init=/bin/sh` a box today to add my user to the wheel group, but when I tried to `shutdown -r` it complained that it couldn't open a socket to contact the init daemon. Has systemd consumed acpi stuff now as well?
[18:08:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why Cybersecurity has an Open-Source Solution - http://sylnt.us - open-algorithms-with-secret-keys
[18:06:22] <boru> I haven't used C++ since C++{98,03}, so it's not so much my wheelhouse anymore.
[18:05:54] <boru> Someone told me you can convince YCM to do it, or ALE, I don't remember which.
[18:05:04] <boru> cscope is fine for cross referencing C++, but it gets a bit wonky for inheritance and templatey bits.
[18:04:18] <boru> No bother. I can relate.
[18:04:06] <SemperOSS> Nah from me, C and assembler and I can talk to you — but C++ for real, sorry
[18:03:46] <boru> rtags is a shitfest, and the rest of the tools require one of those clang-json-database-generators, which I'd prefer to avoid.
[18:03:12] <FatPhil> for navigation, I use "cd"
[18:03:00] <boru> For codebase navigation, that is.
[18:02:43] <boru> I've been writing C and assembly language for the last few decades, but I'll be writing a bit of C++ in my new gig; I've been using cscope and clang_complete for C bits. I've switched to YCM for the latter, but I haven't found a decent replacement for the former for C++ (since it's woefully inadequate for half-way complex C++ code bases)
[18:02:41] <FatPhil> and then it turned into a monstrosity.
[18:02:09] <FatPhil> However... that was in the early 90s, where this thing called "cfront" was still a thing, and C++ was defined in terms of which version of cfront supported the contstructs.
[18:01:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4832
[18:01:36] <SemperOSS> coffee++
[18:01:24] <SemperOSS> C + vim good enough or are you very much into inheritance?
[18:01:19] <FatPhil> I do have several "programmed C++" and one "lectured C++" on my CV.
[18:00:41] <boru> Are there any C++ fellas here? Preferably intersected with vim users.
[18:00:16] <FatPhil> My default is DDG, but I always follow up with a "!g" version of the search because the results are so terrible!
[17:58:56] <boru> It exists, and still has a censorship-free image search.
[17:58:43] <SunTzuWarmaster> ...it is the #1 search on Google
[17:58:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> bing still exists; I actually use it more than Google these days, because fuck Google.
[17:58:30] <SunTzuWarmaster> bing still exists
[17:58:20] <FatPhil> I've not been following things - does bing still exist, or am I showing my age?
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[17:55:18] <FatPhil> I'm not counting the ones that were overclocked.
[17:53:28] <FatPhil> 30 piles of internet points for naming that CPU! (without binging).
[17:52:40] <Carny> cool ;]
[17:51:13] <FatPhil> I grew up fanless, I bought a 'puter with the first ever CPU to hit "lightbulb" wattage (60W, that is, no idea what that is in furlongs per fortnight), and just wanna return to the old fanless days.
[17:50:03] <Carny> or heat?
[17:49:58] <Carny> FatPhil: oh ok so you are trying to do those jobs with as little power as possible?
[17:49:31] <Carny> SunTzuWarmaster: what do you mean?
[17:49:19] <FatPhil> Pi is dev webserver and IRC, Pi3 is prod webserver, and mail.
[17:48:33] <Carny> FatPhil: what are you using it for?
[17:48:20] <FatPhil> I'll be happy to pick up another spare Pi3 to take over some of the tasks I'm using my Pi for.
[17:47:42] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Veritas Claims Leaked Internal E-Mails from Google Showing Political Bias of Results ( https://soylentnews.org )
[17:47:41] <SunTzuWarmaster> https://soylentnews.org
[17:47:41] <SunTzuWarmaster> ?
[17:47:39] <SunTzuWarmaster> can we get a reporter to do this job
[17:47:31] <FatPhil> Carny: seems like they've fixed some of the biggest complaints about the prior Pis (comms), but I ain't interested in all those Watts.
[17:47:30] <SunTzuWarmaster> man - I'm not a freaking reporter
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[17:26:52] <SemperOSS> Yeah
[17:26:09] <Carny> good on ya mate ;]
[17:24:40] <SemperOSS> I do *not* run Windows and I do not use Office unless I am at a customer site where it is required (and then it will be on *their* hardware)!
[17:23:37] <SemperOSS> I wish they were available when my dad was alive. My brother (who is in computer HW business) gave Dad a Windows PC and since my brother did not know much about software, Dad always contacted me with his Microsoft Word problems. Argh!
[17:22:17] <Carny> yeah
[17:22:03] <Carny> let them infect their regular computer with instasnaptwitface
[17:21:38] <SemperOSS> They seem to have enough oomph for some serious desktop use as long as it is not gaming or video creation (or pure number crunching)
[17:21:18] <Carny> give them to family and make them use that for high sec stuff like banking
[17:20:39] <Carny> i was interested in them for small desktop use
[17:20:17] <Carny> good point
[17:19:00] <SemperOSS> If they get access to the firewall as such it doesn't matter much with those flaws, I think. The firewall is, by nature, headless and with no "ordinary" users on it to exploit it.
[17:17:51] <Carny> only problem is they upgraded the cpu to a model that has some branch prediction flaws
[17:17:30] <SemperOSS> I've got a little handful of RPis lying around, maybe I'll try again with those. I'm going to buy a RPi4 as my new firewall
[17:17:19] <Carny> finally a good chip layout and 4gb ram
[17:16:57] <Carny> have you guys seen the new ras pi 4?
[17:16:45] <Carny> FatPhil: nice ;]
[17:15:23] <SemperOSS> There were programs I could not install without maybe having to roll them myself and I had some HW issues (I cannot even remember exactly what)
[17:15:18] <FatPhil> This machine, my RasPi(an old B+): 20:14:32 up 544 days, 8:15, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.06
[17:14:20] <Carny> SemperOSS: what didn't work for you?
[17:14:02] <Carny> i looked when it was still based off the old debian version and it was p.crusty
[17:13:54] <FatPhil> devuan super solid for me, but I mostly have headless systems.
[17:13:30] <Carny> hmm ok
[17:10:41] <SemperOSS> Late last year and early this year.
[17:09:03] <Carny> when did you try it?
[17:06:41] <SemperOSS> I have tried Devuan as a systemd-free alternative, but it was not quite there at the time. And I fear it will not have sufficient support to keep going.
[17:05:33] <SemperOSS> I will try that on my RPi servers. Not that they are booted that often but still, Poettering has shown us the way ;)
[17:04:22] <Carny> or /bin/ash for the non debian version
[17:04:03] <Carny> funny thing about getting faster boot times is you can just use /bin/dash for your scripts instead of /bin/bash and get a 4x speed up for small scripts
[17:03:27] <SemperOSS> LOL
[17:03:10] <Carny> no thanks i rather just avoid him completely ;]
[17:02:57] <SemperOSS> Look at his body language.
[17:02:13] <Carny> i think he's just an asshole not necessarily autistic
[17:02:12] <exec> <SemperOSS> Yes, but I think he may be seriously autistic (and I guarantee you that I am not trying to diss autistic people, we have plenty in the family). He cannot fathom that his approach may be wrong, especially not when it does so much good like shave off many milliseconds of boot time and all the other things it does on the way to world domination.
[17:02:10] <SemperOSS> s/I think (/(/
[17:01:56] <SemperOSS> s/I think (/(
[17:01:24] <SemperOSS> Yes, but I think he may be seriously autistic I think (and I guarantee you that I am not trying to diss autistic people, we have plenty in the family). He cannot fathom that his approach may be wrong, especially not when it does so much good like shave off many milliseconds of boot time and all the other things it does on the way to world domination.
[16:58:32] <Carny> they have major gov backing
[16:58:19] <Carny> he works for red hat
[16:58:10] <SemperOSS> Yes, pulseaudio is not very helpful and ALSA has its number of problems too. Sigh!
[16:57:33] <SemperOSS> I seriously still do not know how Lennart Poettering got so many distros on board. I have just installed PCLOS on this machine and it boots to the desktop in less than 15 seconds. That is well good enough for me.
[16:57:07] <Carny> just unplug your headphones and roll the dice
[16:56:49] <Carny> yeah and pulse audio can crash a system at the drop of a hat
[16:55:57] <SemperOSS> My laptops used to run seriously well for v-e-r-y long stretches of time until systemd started to sneak in. The more systemd in the systems the more unstable they got.
[16:54:31] <Bender> karma - systemd: -29
[16:54:31] <SemperOSS> systemd-- I agree
[16:54:17] <Bender> karma - systemd: -28
[16:54:17] <Carny> systemd--
[16:54:06] <Carny> i just meant you could check out jack in a quick and dirty way instead of having to ram it into your existing system
[16:53:41] <SemperOSS> No systemd, you know.
[16:53:29] <Carny> ok
[16:53:18] <SemperOSS> Ah, oh, it's a distro. I have settled on PCLOS for now as the best Poettering-avoiding distro.
[16:53:11] <Carny> i think the thing about ubuntu studio is that it does the integration work for you so apps should just work
[16:52:21] <Carny> its a whole os but idk if it runs well on your laptop
[16:52:18] <SemperOSS> It is not in their repository but Jack is installed.
[16:51:35] <Carny> no idea ;]
[16:51:21] <SemperOSS> Ah, but does Ubuntu Studio run on my PCLinuxOS laptop?
[16:50:35] <SemperOSS> I will look more into it, when I can.
[16:50:16] <Carny> ubuntu studio might be a good way to try it out
[16:49:56] <Carny> i think thats what jack does
[16:49:46] <SemperOSS> Not in detail. Should I?
[16:49:27] <Carny> SemperOSS: have you looked at jack yet?
[16:48:42] <SemperOSS> With metaphorical patch cables, of course.
[16:47:24] <exec> <SemperOSS> What I do not understand about the approaches to sound (and video, really) in Linux is that no-one seems to have made a simple plug-board metaphor where you have a number of signal sources and a number of signal sinks. Then have a plug-board like the *old* telephone exchanges and use them to connect the components together.
[16:47:21] <SemperOSS> s/) on/) in/
[16:46:57] <SemperOSS> What I do not understand about the approaches to sound (and video, really) on Linux is that no-one seems to have made a simple plug-board metaphor where you have a number of signal sources and a number of signal sinks. Then have a plug-board like the *old* telephone exchanges and use them to connect the components together.
[16:32:30] <NCommander> ALSA/OSS in Linux *is* as a mess. That's noe even a troll
[16:32:20] <NCommander> Huh, the last poutine message is actually accurate
[16:25:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mexico Hail: Ice 1.5m thick Carpets Guadalajara - http://sylnt.us - How-to-keep-a-cool-head-in-summer
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[15:55:20] <Carny> is it ok to submit twitter threads?
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[15:17:43] <upstart> ^ 03Pretty Diff - The difference tool
[15:17:43] <AndyTheAbsurd> This seems to work: https://prettydiff.com - but I'm not seeing a prebuilt binary for offline use...
[15:12:48] <SemperOSS> I can see that takyon and chromas are doing theirs too. You need an Australian editor or such, to keep things going when you are sleeping
[15:10:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bytram: HTML Tidy doesn't like my input. :( Not sure yet if I can fix it with custom tags, but I'm going to give that a shot.
[15:10:41] <SemperOSS> Bytram: Thank you for your tireless management of stories. Are you the only active editor left?
[15:09:03] <Bytram> really gtg... have a great day, and thanks so much for the story submissions!!!!!
[15:08:46] <Bytram> lol
[15:01:49] <SemperOSS> Oh, I should have know from seeing your entry. >:o
[15:00:45] <Bytram> not the tasty spud and gravy concoction, but the user who used that as a nick to troll these channels
[15:00:10] <exec> Bytram, poutine was last seen in #Soylent 149 days, 10 hours, 54 minutes, 12 seconds ago with message: alsa/oss and others were a mess
[15:00:08] <Bytram> ~seen poutine
[15:00:00] <exec> http://chromas.0x.no
[14:59:59] <exec> 03Ops: random, first, last, all, count, source. Parameters: message, nick, channel (regex); since, until (date-/time range); limit (maximum messages to return; default is 1, unless op=all); type [message (plain+action; default), plain, action, nick, mode, join, part, quit, kick, kill, topic, all]; out [json, php, tab, irc, message, html]; debug (show the query and whatever else)
[14:59:57] <Bytram> ~last poutine
[14:59:18] <SemperOSS> Bytram, what have you got against chips, cheese and gravy?
[14:57:26] <Bender> karma - allergies: -44
[14:57:26] <Bytram> allergies--
[14:57:22] <Bytram> and one more
[14:57:16] <Bender> karma - poutine: -432
[14:57:16] <Bytram> poutine--
[14:57:13] <Bytram> and, for old time's sake:
[14:57:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4831
[14:57:09] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:57:05] <Bytram> which reminds me
[14:56:58] <Bender> uppers of coffee are: TheMightyBuzzard: 2177, crutchy: 1239, Bytram: 1189, cmn32480: 477, Blackmoore: 237, chromas: 94, paulej72: 59, Runaway1956: 55, crutchy_: 55, mrcoolbp: 31, Bytram|away: 29, mechanicjay: 27, FatPhil: 23, Ethanol-fueled: 23, TheMightyLaptop: 22, cmn32480|away: 22, everdred: 21, SemperOSS: 19, arti: 19, xhedit: 19, qkontinuum: 17, boru: 17, mattie_p: - 4 more
[14:56:57] <Bytram> !whoup coffee
[14:56:38] <Bender> uppers of carny are: Bytram: 1
[14:56:38] <Bytram> !whoup Carny
[14:56:36] <Carny> lolll
[14:56:30] <Bender> Quote 903 - <SemperOSS> Trump hate? No, no, you are misunderstanding, it is Trump *truth*!
[14:56:30] <Bytram> !quote 903
[14:56:28] <Bytram> ~quote 903
[14:56:22] <Bender> Added quote 903
[14:56:22] <Bytram> !grab SemperOSS
[14:56:21] <Carny> lol
[14:56:10] <SemperOSS> Trump hate? No, no, you are misunderstanding, it is Trump *truth*!
[14:56:09] <Bender> karma - carny: 1
[14:56:09] <Bytram> Carny++ We also haver a fun little means of giving notice to folk here, on a channel by channel basis.
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[14:55:30] <Carny> it seemed awkward and funny at the time
[14:55:17] <Carny> yeah last time i could watch bbc news us for a while i noticed it was left leaning but also got the impression that every person on the air really wanted to unleash the trump hate but were holding back
[14:53:09] <SemperOSS> Carny, I think the BBC is considered fairly well-balanced, albeit left-leaning (in the US, that is — actually not, the Conservatives here do too)
[14:51:59] <SemperOSS> AndyTheAbsurd: I didn't know you had such predilections. Is it because you are very much pro-communist or just because you are a cantankerous murderer?
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[14:51:36] <Carny> highest priority on truth and accuracy, because nobody else is even trying anymore
[14:51:08] <Carny> tbh if i knew anybody super rich i would be building a news and media empire right now
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[14:50:27] <SemperOSS> Yay! :)
[14:50:12] <Carny> SemperOSS: me too let's be truth pen pals :)
[14:49:35] <SemperOSS> Carny: I am sure it is the case, but I have tried to keep an eye on what is going on on the other side of the pond
[14:49:33] <Carny> did that work?
[14:48:27] <Bytram> good luck
[14:48:26] <Bytram> Don't know how well it has been supported of late, but I've used it on windows for many years and has been most helpful in getting random formatting changed into something easier for me to parse.
[14:48:21] * AndyTheAbsurd shoots, hangs, quarters, and drowns SemperOSS for NOT being communist
[14:47:49] <SemperOSS> There are a few areas where I would not like to see privatisation (and I know I'm too late): Infrastructure, police, military, education and health care — I have probably forgotten one or two. And before you shoot, hang, quarter and drown me: No, I'm not a bloody, sodding communist ;-)
[14:47:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 5 Phones with the Best Battery Life - http://sylnt.us - getting-a-charge-out-of-life
[14:47:36] <upstart> http://tidy.sourceforge.net - HTML Tidy Project Page
[14:47:35] <Bytram> =g HMTL Tidy
[14:47:31] <Bytram> have not tried it, but HTML Tidy (IIRC) can grok XML
[14:47:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> Question: Besides xmllint, what can I use to correct formatting of valid-but-badly-formatted XML? (xmllint doesn't like tags having both text and child tags, which is all over the place in my incoming data.)
[14:46:21] <exec> <Bytram> and, the dept line I used was just illustrative for the example. take a look at the linked-to-article and what got put into the story submission queue
[14:46:18] <Bytram> s/k a/k at/
[14:46:05] <Bytram> and, the dept line I used was just illustrative for the example. take a look a the linked-to-article and what got put into the story submission queue
[14:45:58] <Carny> Bytram: ok i will try
[14:45:47] <Carny> SemperOSS: i have noticed that europeans are as misinformed about what goes on in the usa as we are about what goes on in the eu
[14:45:29] <Bytram> Carny: I've not tried it, but I expect it should work.
[14:45:11] <Bytram> once that was revoked, we gradually ended up with the natural monopolies with their cordoning off different regions for their whatever-the-sky will allow pricing.
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[14:44:43] <SemperOSS> Yeah, and here we thought that the governors and senators and representatives and presidents and what not were elected to serve the public and not themselves or companies
[14:44:35] <Carny> Bytram: ok so i can do the dept but can i write a line or 2 about the article after the url?
[14:44:22] <Bytram> SemperOSS: IIRC, it came about when the republican-controlled FCC at the time removed the requirement for telco's to provide hardware on an equal basis for all DSL companies that were interested. There were "games" that were played with delays and quality of lines and the like, but the competition helped to keep prices down.
[14:42:52] <SemperOSS> But regulation here in the UK is *much* more heavy-handed, so there must be another reason
[14:42:42] <Carny> and the incumbents pay lobbyists to prevent anyone from building municipal fiber
[14:42:34] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Microsoft Explains the Lack of Registry Backups in Windows 10 - gHacks Tech News" (16 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:42:33] <Bytram> the text between the "=submit" and the URL will become part of the story submission
[14:42:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> Carny: Use...shit, I forgot which bot it is. But one of them just lets you put summary text after the URL.
[14:42:12] <upstart> Submitting "Microsoft explains the lack of Registry backups in Windows 10 - gHacks Tech News"...
[14:42:11] <Bytram> =submit from the better-late-than-never? dept. https://www.ghacks.net
[14:42:00] <Carny> SemperOSS: government regulation makes it almost impossible for new competition
[14:41:26] <Carny> well can you tell me how to =submit a url with a summary?
[14:41:24] <SemperOSS> When I was visiting USA in the early nineties, I was so jealous of their cheap internet connections as they did not pay per minute for the modem calls and now it is the other way round, where I have unlimited internet on a cell-based MiFi box for less than $20 a month. Why is that?
[14:41:11] <Carny> oh ok cool
[14:40:56] <Bytram> I've got a couple hours until I need to be there.
[14:40:40] <Carny> Bytram: i thought you were going to work ;]
[14:36:05] <Bytram> done
[14:33:14] <Bytram> if I can
[14:32:54] <Bytram> SunTzuWarmaster: will adjust
[14:32:42] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 118
[14:32:42] <Bytram> NCommander++ yay! and wb!
[14:30:08] <NCommander> finally zeroed out my inbox
[14:29:57] <SunTzuWarmaster> had to go do stuff - was AFK, no worries
[14:29:32] <SunTzuWarmaster> eh - would have preferred non-attribution, but whatever
[14:00:12] <Carny> i saw in #editorial how you can =submit a url but how do you add a summary?
[13:59:26] <Carny> ok i found a test article
[13:49:48] <cmn32480> drank the water did you?
[13:49:36] <NCommander> cmn32480, I've been badly sick for three weeks while travelling.
[13:49:25] <NCommander> lol
[13:49:06] <SemperOSS> NCommander: Oh, *you're* the one with the brain? Nice to meet ya!
[13:46:56] <cmn32480> welcome to my world
[13:40:23] <NCommander> my brain is badly fried
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[13:27:15] <SemperOSS> See ya
[13:24:24] <Bytram> ciao for now!
[13:24:19] <Bytram> obliged1
[13:24:15] <Carny> ttyl
[13:24:15] <Bytram> look forward to seeing what you come up with!
[13:24:12] <Carny> cheers
[13:24:04] <Bytram> also, phone call any moment now; really gotta go.
[13:23:52] <Bytram> feel free to submit what you like, mindful of what the interests are here -- primarily tech related but we will consider most things.
[13:23:26] <Carny> ok
[13:23:19] <Bytram> yay!
[13:23:11] <Bytram> when you submit a story, just leave blank the identifying fields and it will come to us as "An Anonymous Coward writes:"
[13:23:00] <Carny> that's why i searched for the irc server and i'm so glad i found one :)
[13:22:37] <Bytram> that is possible....
[13:22:36] <Carny> right i have been occasionally enjoying the home page for awhile now :)
[13:22:10] <Carny> if i can do that from irc and tor browser w/o having to login to a web site i can contribute a lot easier
[13:21:39] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[13:21:39] <Bytram> =)
[13:21:37] <Bytram> yes... take a look at stories on the main page to get an idea of what we are looking for: https://soylentnews.org
[13:20:48] <Carny> hmm ok so if i take a url from the rss feed and write up a good summary line is that useful?
[13:19:52] <Bytram> !
[13:19:44] <Bytram> we have bots that will (to varying degrees) take a URL, and make a story submission from it. Some enclose, as best they can, the entire story text (which requires editing on our part) or just the URL and a summary line (which requires us to load the story and select the salient parts to include in a story)
[13:19:41] <upstart> ^ 03Ice 1.5m thick as Mexican city hit by freak hail
[13:19:37] <SemperOSS> https://www.bbc.co.uk ?
[13:19:25] <Carny> ok
[13:18:23] <Bytram> nope
[13:18:19] <Bytram> idea is for us to get wind of some of the things that are happening out there, and if it catches our interest and the story supports it, to use as a start for a story submissions.
[13:18:16] <Carny> is there a way to upvote the ones that look good?
[13:17:51] <Carny> right
[13:17:43] <Bytram> not quite *every* feed; only the ones we told it about...
[13:17:34] <SemperOSS> That is exactly the thing, and sometimes I think the SJWs have lost sight of the distinction
[13:17:18] <Carny> well i noticed that #rss-bot looks like its just scraping every rss feed and showing what's out there
[13:16:54] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[13:16:51] <Bytram> Carny: https://soylentnews.org
[13:16:31] <Bytram> Carny: story submissions are always welcome!
[13:16:20] <Bytram> but, giving the same food rations to a 90-year-old, 5-foot-nothing, little old grandma, and a 6-foot-5 250 pound laborer may be treating them the same, but not what I would call treating them equally (feeding them so they are no longer hungry)
[13:15:51] <Carny> i mean ummmm :)
[13:15:46] <Carny> :)
[13:15:35] <SemperOSS> Bytram, we have a volunteer! :D
[13:14:53] <Carny> Bytram: i'm new so i haven't learned how things work yet, can i help by looking at a queue somewhere and try to find quality stories?
[13:14:30] <Bytram> SemperOSS: that is a very fine, but important distinction. I saw it used with an example given with people of different heights, but do not recall the argument...
[13:14:09] <SemperOSS> Why not outsource the code to India, they are much better at making a mess of it than you are?
[13:13:30] * Bytram hopes so, but the story queue is dry, subs are either from me or of questionable usability, and I've got some code to write before I head off to work.
[13:13:27] <Carny> i should see if somebody made a video suitable for quick sharing
[13:13:23] <SemperOSS> When I worked in the health care system, they made sure that everyone knew that we should not treat everyone the same but everyone equally
[13:12:53] <Carny> that book should be mandatory reading
[13:12:11] <Carny> exactly
[13:12:05] <Carny> oh right that
[13:12:03] <exec> <SemperOSS> Everyone is equal but some are more equal than others
[13:12:01] <SemperOSS> s/equa;/equal/
[13:11:46] <SemperOSS> Everyone is equal but some are more equa; than others
[13:11:38] <Carny> Bytram: can you get in a quick nap or 2 today?
[13:11:13] <Carny> mmmmm haven't read that in ages
[13:11:11] <SemperOSS> Poor you.
[13:10:52] <SemperOSS> Well, Carny, isn't that exactly what Animal Farm was about, a positive idea gets twisted to satisfy individuals
[13:10:22] <Bytram> did not sleep well, have late shift tonight, and opening shift tomorrow. am already dragging :/
[13:10:20] <Carny> mark zuckerberg isn't a capitalist, he wants to be the minister for information in the peoples democratic republic of america
[13:09:54] <SemperOSS> Good
[13:09:49] <Bytram> prolly
[13:09:40] <SemperOSS> Bytram: Back later?
[13:09:33] <Carny> once somebody studies the history of communism it gets alot easier to recognize that these rich and powerful people can be communists at heart
[13:09:22] <SemperOSS> Bytrram: Back later?
[13:09:13] <SemperOSS> To talk about Google as a search engine, I find that in the last couple of years (as they increasingly use AI and similar methods to "improve" search results) I have trouble honing in on exactly what I want
[13:07:55] * Bytram is expecting a phone call in a few minutes and will then have to go offline for while.
[13:07:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Veritas Claims Leaked Internal E-Mails from Google Showing Political Bias of Results - http://sylnt.us - Google-Biasing-Results?
[13:07:51] <Carny> truth will set you free but it's hard to swallow, lies are so delicious and fun to share
[13:07:16] <upstart> ^ 03Veritas Claims Leaked Internal E-Mails from Google Showing Political Bias of Results - SoylentNews ( https://soylentnews.org )
[13:07:14] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[13:06:53] <SemperOSS> And that is a truth — yet most people still seem to believe that wealth will trickle down so cut taxes for the already rich to make the poor ... poorer
[13:06:24] <Carny> yeah exacly SemperOSS, that's why it helps to think of them as them neo-communists
[13:05:38] <Carny> euality is for the proles, the masters at the top live entirely different lives
[13:05:34] <Bytram> SunTzuWarmaster: given the information you've provided here, it's easy for anyone to work out you submitted this story, so I'm going to put your nick in the byline.
[13:05:30] <SemperOSS> Stalin may have been but it is like my brother, who is a *declared* socialist but a true capitalist *at heart*
[13:05:13] <Carny> communism has always been based on lies, and the biggest most important one is that everyone is equal
[13:04:07] <Carny> yeah it's easy to get confused by the contradiction between communism and being really rich, until you realize that one of the richest men in history was josef stalin
[13:03:12] <Bytram> SunTzuWarmaster: you still here?
[13:02:29] <SemperOSS> Carny, I am not sure that communism is the right word as Google seem to be more capitalist than anything.
[13:01:29] <Carny> free cakes! (just ignore the airbrushed pic of karl marx on the icing, it still tastes good we promise)
[13:01:28] <Bytram> SunTzuWarmaster: attribution for the story... the nick you used here, or "Anonymous Coward" ??
[13:00:55] <Carny> :)
[13:00:42] <SunTzuWarmaster> they are deliberately making cakes which have their views printed on them (to continue the cake analogy, which is falling apart)
[13:00:30] <SemperOSS> SunTzuWarmaster, I agree that Google is now missing "Do no" from previous motto
[13:00:29] <Bytram> oops, forgot one thing.
[13:00:11] <Carny> they stopped because they are neo-communists and they are enacting their agenda through their technology
[13:00:05] <Bytram> should be "going live", soon.
[12:59:49] <Carny> but they didn't stop providing good cakes because they lost the recipe
[12:59:33] <Carny> exactly
[12:58:57] <SunTzuWarmaster> It has become apparent to me that Google no longer provides good cakes.
[12:58:26] <SunTzuWarmaster> @Carny I previously haven't cared about the people running Google - I only care about technical performance. I am happy to buy cakes from any bakery (I do not care about your views, religious preferences, etc.) - if they are good cakes
[12:57:43] <SemperOSS> I do
[12:57:14] <Carny> does anybody believe that google isn't run by neo-communists?
[12:57:08] <SunTzuWarmaster> regardless, I am now convinced that there is a team of people at Google working on ways to bias and/or remove search results in an interest of "fairness". The "evidence" from the leaked E-mail, interview, congressional testimony, DDG/Google News test, and Google Search/Trends test indicate, to me, that Google is specifically doing *something* to the results
[12:56:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Found: A Sweet Way to Make Everyday Things Almost Indestructible - http://sylnt.us - ants-in-my-pants
[12:55:44] <SunTzuWarmaster> whereas my quick experiment above shows simple tampering
[12:55:19] <SunTzuWarmaster> The Veritas video shows removal of certain categories of results (specifically regarding Doland Trump) from autocomplete and news sources
[12:54:25] <SunTzuWarmaster> it indicates that something is re-ordering the results
[12:54:18] <upstart> https://www.merriam-webster.com - Corroborate Synonyms, Corroborate Antonyms | Merriam-Webster ...
[12:54:17] <Bytram> =g antonym corroborate
[12:54:02] <SunTzuWarmaster> (this holds true for 30 days, 90 days, 6 months, 12 months, and all time)
[12:53:21] <SunTzuWarmaster> but the last 30 days of the results indicate that the proper ordering is "from mars women are from venus" "visual" "like bluetooth" and "like waffles"
[12:52:40] <upstart> ^ 03Google Trends
[12:52:39] <SunTzuWarmaster> https://trends.google.com
[12:52:30] <SunTzuWarmaster> as a quick example, the autocomplete for "men are" is, in order "from mars women are from venus" "like waffles" "like bluetooth" and "visual"
[12:52:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4830
[12:52:09] <SemperOSS> Coffee++
[12:49:47] <SunTzuWarmaster> the Google Autocomplete vs. Google Trends data are also very different
[12:49:25] <SunTzuWarmaster> the DDG vs. Google news results are very different (even when removing personalization)
[12:49:03] <SunTzuWarmaster> that said - it seems that the claims are *true*
[12:46:53] <upstart> ^ 03"SoylentNews" "deep fake" -techdirt at DuckDuckGo
[12:46:52] <SunTzuWarmaster> https://duckduckgo.com
[12:46:13] <Bytram> lol
[12:46:09] <upstart> [0 results]
[12:46:09] <Bytram> =g "SoylentNews" "deep fake" -techdirt
[12:45:51] <upstart> https://www.techdirt.com - Another Entity Thinks A Random Bundle Of URLs Is A Legitimate ...
[12:45:50] <Bytram> =g "soylentnews.org" "deep fake"
[12:45:40] <upstart> https://www.techdirt.com - Another Entity Thinks A Random Bundle Of URLs Is A Legitimate ...
[12:45:40] <Bytram> =g soylentnews.org "deep fake"
[12:44:40] <SunTzuWarmaster> which is 100% possible
[12:44:34] <SunTzuWarmaster> it is difficult to say if the rep/sen got trolled by Veritas and then grilled some random Google people on the subject
[12:44:06] <SunTzuWarmaster> somewhere in here - everyone is garbage - Veritas is engaged in scummy-if-not-outright-illegal reporting, the story is picked up in summary by Fox (after congressional testimony), etc.
[12:42:53] <Bytram> k. tx!
[12:42:46] <SunTzuWarmaster> I did not take direct quotes
[12:42:35] <Bytram> If it is just your summary of what you believe to be salient points, that is fine, too.
[12:41:32] <Bytram> not necessarily, but if it *is*, then we need to put a blockquote around the quoted part
[12:41:05] <SunTzuWarmaster> need it be?
[12:41:03] <SunTzuWarmaster> and I've come to the conclusion that Google *is* biasing results
[12:40:50] <Bytram> SunTzuWarmaster: is any of your submission a quotation from one of those sources?
[12:40:38] <SunTzuWarmaster> I was convinced by the Veritas video (I am a senior AI/ML researcher, by trade, and the technicals presented in the video are reasonable, with links to academic papers describing how you would do it)
[12:38:59] <SunTzuWarmaster> the "leaked E-mails" were part of the Project Veritas dump - which claims that Google is specifically biasing results to bury certain sources (extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence)
[12:38:38] <Bytram> clicky
[12:38:09] <SunTzuWarmaster> (into News)
[12:37:56] <SunTzuWarmaster> its really strange that the "recommended stories" part of google links to news stories that you cannot find when typing in the exact terms
[12:37:16] <SunTzuWarmaster> but - I found this story as part of the Google Recommendation algorithm (Jordan Peterson nazi claims) and am/was unable to find the *exact same* story in Google News (but it is in DuckDuckGo News)
[12:34:50] <SunTzuWarmaster> that said - this has to be the slimiest story I've seen in a long time - just covered in slime
[12:34:13] <SunTzuWarmaster> (things become news when the president comments on them and senators/representatives question people)
[12:33:45] <SunTzuWarmaster> but, long-story-short - its news
[12:33:38] <SunTzuWarmaster> I wrote a 'note to editors' (not sure if I'm supposed to do that)
[12:33:08] <upstart> ^ 03Veritas leaked internal E-mails from Google - shows political bias of results: SoylentNews Submission
[12:33:08] <SunTzuWarmaster> https://soylentnews.org
[12:33:07] <SunTzuWarmaster> my submission is here - which is a bit better
[12:32:47] <SunTzuWarmaster> that is, um, kinda a non-submission, given that it didn't do the summary/link thing
[12:32:30] <upstart> ^ 03Insider Blows Whistle & Exec Reveals Google Plan to Prevent "Trump situation" in 2020 : SoylentNews Submission
[12:32:29] <SunTzuWarmaster> In the queue is this story - https://soylentnews.org
[12:32:24] <SunTzuWarmaster> hey guys - just submitted my first story - ugh - Veritas nonsense
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[11:55:52] <exec> <Bytram> isone thing to havbe 1 person out of 12 go on vaca; quite another when there's only 5 of ya
[11:55:50] <Bytram> s/56/5/
[11:55:46] <Bytram> isone thing to havbe 1 person out of 12 go on vaca; quite another when there's only 56 of ya
[11:55:37] <cmn32480> pm?
[11:55:30] <cmn32480> so... loatsa OT
[11:55:20] <Bytram> with co-workers taking vacation and our having a small department, the few that are left have to pick up the load.
[11:54:56] <cmn32480> or do you need a vacation too?
[11:54:54] <Bytram> mostly
[11:54:48] <cmn32480> is that a good thing?
[11:54:26] <Bytram> wicked busy
[11:54:13] <exec> <Bytram> um mum
[11:54:13] <cmn32480> so how you been?
[11:54:11] <Bytram> s/h/m/g
[11:54:04] <Bytram> uh huh
[11:53:58] <cmn32480> that'd do it
[11:53:54] <exec> sed enabled for 10#Soylent
[11:53:52] <Bytram> ~sed on
[11:53:45] <Bytram> s/h/d/
[11:53:44] <cmn32480> hmmmm... exec seems to be broke
[11:53:38] <Bytram> huh!
[11:53:35] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[11:53:32] <cmn32480> ~weather moon
[11:53:24] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[11:53:22] <cmn32480> ~weather uranus
[11:53:16] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[11:53:13] <cmn32480> ~weather
[11:53:10] <cmn32480> he shoudl be here
[11:52:52] <Bytram> yeah, no exec.
[11:52:44] <Bytram> cmn32480: s/b//
[11:52:32] <cmn32480> and I STILL got a serious tabn
[11:52:21] <Bytram> that's GOOD
[11:52:14] <cmn32480> lotsa sun screen
[11:52:10] <cmn32480> nope
[11:52:05] <Bytram> did you bring ear plugs?
[11:51:52] <cmn32480> a week at Cub Scout day camp baking in the sun
[11:51:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4829
[11:51:44] <cmn32480> coffee++
[11:51:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4828
[11:51:34] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:51:24] <Bytram> cmn32480: prolly depends on what you were doing and what you were attempting to *vacate* from.
[11:39:32] <cmn32480> is it wrong to want a vacation from your vacation?
[11:39:22] * cmn32480 wishes he was still on vacation
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[08:31:44] <upstart> ^ 03Daily life as a repair tech.
[08:31:43] <chromas> https://imgur.com
[07:47:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Theranos Founder Elizabeth Holmes to Face Trial Next Year on Fraud Charges - http://sylnt.us - blood-for-blood
[06:06:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 2019: DRAM Cheaper... For Now - http://sylnt.us - sales
[04:45:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Motel 6 Pays $10 Million to Settle ICE Guest List Lawsuit - http://sylnt.us - Juan-less-suit-to-deal-with
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[03:05:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Invasive Exsanguinating Tick Spreading - http://sylnt.us - this-isn't-about-politicians
[02:58:02] <chromas> bountiful Bodacious Croissants
[01:51:52] <fyngyrz> Which BBC were you expecting?
[01:37:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Donald Trump Has Become the First Sitting U.S. President to Set Foot in North Korea - http://sylnt.us - Pomp-or-Progress?
[00:31:37] <chromas> that's not the right one, fungus
[00:31:29] <fungus> <abbr title="British Broadcasting Corporation">BBC</abbr>
[00:31:29] <chromas> ${abbr BBC}
[00:31:26] <chromas> oh
[00:31:18] <fungus> bbc
[00:31:18] <chromas> ${abbr bbc}
[00:31:10] <chromas> AndyTheAbsurd: try with a $