#Soylent | Logs for 2019-06-20

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[01:17:01] <chromas> Waterfox isn't immune to random tab crashes I guess. It's too bad there's only two web browsers in existence
[01:23:13] <Bytram> =g lynx browser
[01:23:13] <upstart> https://lynx.browser.org - Lynx Information
[01:23:24] <Bytram> =g lincs browser
[01:23:24] <upstart> http://www.maayanlab.net - LINCS Canvas Browser
[01:23:31] <Bytram> =)
[01:23:53] <chromas> No good. Monospace fonts are homophobic
[01:29:40] <Bytram> wget && read_the_source
[01:30:19] <Bytram> for the truly skilled, telnet to the correct port and initiate the conversation manually. =)
[01:37:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - YouTube’s New Policies are Catching Educators, Journalists, and Activists in the Crossfire - http://sylnt.us - But-it-said-"breast"
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[01:46:31] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: o/
[01:47:07] <AzumaHazuki> o/
[01:47:20] <Bytram> Long time no chat -- how goes it?
[01:48:33] <AzumaHazuki> not well. i made the wrong choice coming out to erie. my relatives are far poorer and sicker than they lead me--and the rest of the family--to believe
[01:48:39] <AzumaHazuki> i may actually be dead in a month
[01:49:21] <AzumaHazuki> on the upside, it's done absolutely ridiculous things to my mental and spiritual development. i'm pretty much continually getting premonitions now with minutes or hours of lead time and they're all coming to pass
[01:49:27] * Bytram is confused... I thought you came out to stay with a friend... didn't realize family was involved.
[01:49:34] <AzumaHazuki> well, friends who i call family
[01:49:50] <Bytram> New business opportunity?
[01:49:53] <Bytram> Oh, got it.
[01:50:36] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, this is bad. like "no utilities soon" bad. like "house isn't up to code so forget social services" bad. like "my 'aunt' has a violent streak and is half insane from ptsd" bad.
[01:51:13] <AzumaHazuki> i've actually been putting my pharmacology knowledge to use to figure out a painless (if somewhat slow...) suicide method, should the absolute worst come to pass
[01:51:49] <Bytram> N<sub>2</sub>?
[01:51:58] <AzumaHazuki> currently working as a pharmacy tech at the local walmart, and absolutely killing it as predicted, and have a job offer with one hospital and an interview with another
[01:52:07] <Bytram> YAY!!
[01:52:26] <Bytram> Now *that* is something!
[01:52:36] <AzumaHazuki> no, a combination of "expired" beta blockers, a dopamine antagonist (anti-emetic), a bunch of benadryl, and a special tertiary alcohol with about 20x the potency of EtOh
[01:54:10] <Bytram> so... go all "fuzzy" and keep the body from responding appropriately when it tries to sustain itself? /me is woefully undereducated when it comes to pharamcology and does not even play a doctor on TV
[01:54:44] <chromas> Maybe something happens to the aunt instead
[01:54:56] <Bytram> I'm Melting!!
[01:55:05] <chromas> not implying anything. It's just a prank, bro
[01:55:12] <chromas> wink
[01:55:31] <Bytram> brb, need to prepare some dinner or I won't be able to hear the conversation over my growling stomach.
[01:57:45] <AzumaHazuki> basically, the tertiary alcohol in the quantity i got it is like hitting myself with ~80 standard drinks. a half-dozen doses of the dopamine blocker ensure i couldn't throw up even if i wanted to
[01:58:20] <AzumaHazuki> benadryl has central H1 histamine antagonism, which also makes you sleepy (and some anticholinergic effects). and propranolol is a powerful, centrally-acting, nonselectice betaadrenergic antagonist
[01:58:52] <AzumaHazuki> imagine with hitting a 5'10" 145lb woman who doesn't drink wth 80 drinks would do. that alone would be lethal
[02:00:19] <AzumaHazuki> essentially, the idea here is a combination of GABAergic activity, somatic beta-adrenergic blockade, and central H1/ACh-m antagonism all at once, with dopamine antagonism to make sure it all stays down
[02:00:25] <AzumaHazuki> i hope to hell i never have to use this...
[02:00:39] <AzumaHazuki> but never let it be said i do anything by halves...
[02:01:09] <chromas> If you have a few extra bucks, you could go to Mt Everest. I hear that's a popular way to go lately
[02:01:22] <AzumaHazuki> if i had a few extra bucks i wouldn't be in this mess
[02:01:59] <chromas> How's the work environment at the walmart?
[02:02:19] <AzumaHazuki> surprisingly good, for a walmart. it helps that i'm 100% behind the pharmacy counter
[02:02:51] <AzumaHazuki> my one complaint is that the drive-through mic is the audio equivalent of turning the JPG compression up to 11, which is not helpful for someone as deaf as me
[02:03:19] <chromas> I've never seen a walmart with a drive-through. Neat
[02:03:39] <chromas> I've seen subways with drivethroughs though, so I guess anyone can have htem
[02:04:03] <AzumaHazuki> this is Erie. it is likely the town where "people of walmart" began
[02:04:33] <AzumaHazuki> i cannot tell you how many stupid, slovenly, morbidly obese, waddling white-trash clusterfucks live out here. it's depressing as hell
[02:06:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really hate driving unless it's to a fishing hole
[02:06:11] <chromas> I've only been to one bad walmart and it was in California. We thought it was closed at first because the signage and many of the parking lot lights were out
[02:07:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, am back now and not going anywhere for a couple weeks.
[02:08:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you're a gun owner. why are you over-complicating suicide contemplation? intellectual exercise?
[02:08:59] <AzumaHazuki> you can't commit suicide with a .22, at least not painlessly and quickly
[02:09:04] * TheMightyBuzzard still wants to figure out how to release a million chickens into NYC in one night without getting caught.
[02:09:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, fair nuff.
[02:09:32] <AzumaHazuki> the aim you'd need to hit your brainstem is well beyind me. now if i had a sawed-off 12 gauge with a good-sized slug, maybe
[02:09:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i mean you can but it wouldn't be reliable
[02:09:42] <chromas> tmb needs one of these http://www.rivermenrodandgunclub.com
[02:10:07] <AzumaHazuki> plus, what about whoever has to find my body? i don't want to traumatize anyone worse than what already happens when someone finds a corpse
[02:10:13] <chromas> Well if you're surrounded by white trash, there should be plenty of shotties sitting around, right?
[02:10:35] <AzumaHazuki> hell, i'm even going to steal one of my aunt's Depends and wear it before doing the deed, if it comes to that, because corpses void their bowels and i want to make cleanup easier for the EMTs...
[02:10:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> brains aren't all that traumatic really unless they're someone's you know.
[02:10:51] <AzumaHazuki> ...with a note saying so, and that i'm not like a diaper fetishist or something
[02:12:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> enema before hand. save the confusion.
[02:12:56] <AzumaHazuki> sure, and they'll find the gear and think i'm a klismaphiliac then
[02:13:08] * AzumaHazuki hates herself for knowing that word and hates the internet for introducing that word to her
[02:13:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> you could also go for a heart shot if you can live with 2-20 seconds of rapidly diminishing pain.
[02:13:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> or not live with it i suppose
[02:14:09] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, i was about to say, that is one hell of a turn of phrase
[02:14:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> pure serendipity. my subconscious is a wacky place. i blame an animated rabbit.
[02:18:41] <Bytram> what was the rabbit's name?
[02:18:48] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: wb!
[02:19:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake Bytram
[02:19:10] * MrPlow smakes Bytram upside the head with a gloveslap
[02:19:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> bugs
[02:19:18] * Bytram needs to wait another 10 minutes for his dinner to cool down enough to be able to eat it.
[02:19:29] <Bytram> Oh, *that* wabbit!
[02:19:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have no idea how i'll die but i've already made it known to my current executor that if anyone insists on a viewing i must be dressed in a white, sequined jumpsuit and a greasy, black pompadour wig for it.
[02:19:53] <Bytram> There was a movie several years ago with an imagined rabbit, IIRC the ads correctly.
[02:20:04] <Bytram> and sequins?
[02:20:08] <Bytram> yep
[02:20:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> harvey?
[02:20:25] <Bytram> that's the one1
[02:20:28] <Bytram> tx!!!
[02:20:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> best jimmy stewart movie evar. and that's including the man who shot liberty valence.
[02:20:52] <Bytram> Might as well go whole-hog and get some blue suede shoes, too.
[02:21:03] <Bytram> Oh, I'm thinking of a remake, then.
[02:21:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> true, even if they rarely have the feet showing
[02:21:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> donny darko then
[02:21:33] <Bytram> Never saw either of them, but anything with jimmy stewart sounds great.
[02:21:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> bad. ass.
[02:21:47] <Bytram> demand an open-foot casket
[02:23:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> has josephine hull (arsenic and old lace) too. think she won the best supporting oscar for that role.
[02:23:24] * Bytram read the story but never saw the play / movie / whatever
[02:23:34] <Bytram> =g josephine hull
[02:23:35] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Josephine Hull - Wikipedia
[02:24:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> one of my all time favorite movies. possibly even the top spot.
[02:24:58] <Bytram> that's saying a lot
[02:25:21] <Bytram> how would you compare it to TMIAHM?
[02:26:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> let ya know as soon as they release it
[02:26:58] <Bytram> the book vs the movie
[02:27:24] <Bytram> I cannot imagine how a movie adaptation of TMIAHM could ever compare to the book
[02:27:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, can't really compare. the acting is what really makes the story for me in harvey.
[02:27:36] <Bytram> gotit
[02:28:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> beats out all john wayne movies except occasionally the quiet man, as the mood strikes me.
[02:28:36] <Bytram> though I am enjoying the conversation, I noticed this is past your normal bedtime hour... things okay?
[02:28:47] <Bytram> high praise indeed.
[02:28:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> extra long wind down from a really long drive.
[02:29:11] <Bytram> ahhhhh, *that* I understand.
[02:29:33] <Bytram> I've been giving a lot more thought to an idea that was broached earlier this year.
[02:30:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> sn staff nude calendar so we can all retire to the bahamas?
[02:30:01] <Bytram> WRT comment moderation's impact on a moderatee's karma being limited to 1 point's impact per day.
[02:30:38] <Bytram> rephrase: User (1) can affect user(2)'s karma at most 1 point per day's worth of moderation.
[02:31:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. bad idea. i'd want someone shitting everything up one day and behaving the next to have to deal with the consequences of their actions.
[02:31:33] <Bytram> not sure how to query how many times U1 has moderated U2's comments and the sum total of that amount
[02:32:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> call it the EF scenario
[02:34:15] <Bytram> I'm not following you.
[02:35:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ef normally sober posts witty and entertaining things all week then gets shitfaced saturday and goes on a spree. you'd be limiting the negative impact that spree could have.
[02:35:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> hypothetical. not saying he actually does that.
[02:36:32] <Bytram> disagree. I'd be limiting the negative impact that *one* person could have; if his comments are universally perceived as that bad, then sufficient number of people will mod the comments appropriately.
[02:36:36] <Bytram> nodnod
[02:37:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> possibly. possibly not.
[02:37:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's still a very poor solution to this specific problem though. all rules should be as narrow as possible, hardcoded ones especially.
[02:38:36] <Bytram> 3 site vars: duration_units, duration_amount, duration_change_limit
[02:38:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> gimme a few. need nicotine or english is going to stop making sense.
[02:38:59] <Bytram> up to [1] karma point per [1] [day]
[02:39:04] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:39:10] * Bytram fetches his dinner
[02:43:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, given that we currently allow 4d/10u, one point would be massively drastic.
[02:44:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> it would also be a big problem since we don't have all that many people who moderate regularly and have a bunch of people for whom forty comments in a day isn't out of the ordinary.
[02:44:54] <Bytram> we allow 3d/4u per day.
[02:45:08] <Bytram> ugh
[02:45:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, we allow 4d 10u
[02:45:12] <Bytram> we allow 4d/4u per day.
[02:45:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> up has never been limited except very recently for sockpuppets
[02:45:34] <Bytram> it was agreed in the discusions that 4dd/;u per day
[02:45:45] <Bytram> is what I am tralking about'
[02:45:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> and that was only for sockpuppets. i can mod vlm up all i like.
[02:46:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> but an official decision was never reached and publicized that i'm aware of.
[02:47:24] <Bytram> umm, what do you deefine as a sockpuppet -- I had a long discussion w/ Deucalion about that which leads me to think we need somethng algorithmic
[02:47:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> kinda an important step
[02:47:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> algorithmic wouldn't work. false positives out the ass every day.
[02:48:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> and, truthfully, you cannot beat a determined sock puppeteer.
[02:48:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is unpossible.
[02:48:33] <Bytram> my recollection was that 4 u/d was the agreed upon change, and would be implemented when we hardwired the limit for 4 downmods so you can try, but they'd fall on the floor
[02:48:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> where was it agreed
[02:49:19] <Bytram> I don't have it to hand atm, but I'm sure we had this discussion and that was the conclusion
[02:49:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty important that it be publicized and put in the rules. otherwise it's not a rule.
[02:49:58] <Bytram> agreed.
[02:50:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally, i think the issue's so extremely small at the moment that we can get away with a rule like "don't fucking do that or we'll reverse the sign of the moderation values"
[02:50:53] <Bytram> tell ya what. You are unwinding from a long drive, I had some exchausting last few days.... let's resume some time tomorrow.
[03:20:17] <Bytram> time for bed... have a great night everyone!
[03:27:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Finds Any Single Hair From the Human Body Can be Used for Identification - http://sylnt.us - protein-packed
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[04:45:32] <AzumaHazuki> bugger...
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[05:06:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Putting a Price on Chat: Slack is Going Public at $16 Billion Value - http://sylnt.us - money-for-nothing-is-not-just-for-MTV
[06:36:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Everest Summits Smash Records Amid Deadly Bottlenecks - http://sylnt.us - how-many-people-would-climb-it-if-it-was-safe-and-easy?
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[07:50:00] <FatPhil> 'owdy ari
[07:56:24] <aristarchus> Kalomera, Phil!
[08:02:58] <aristarchus> Seems to me that TMB discussing methods of suicide is a massive conflict of interest issue.
[08:15:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - This Year's Annual Amateur Radio Field Day is June 22-23 - http://sylnt.us - Ham-it-up!
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[09:57:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Abusing A CPU’s Adders To Optimize Bit Counting - http://sylnt.us - abusing-bits-for-fun-and...profit?
[11:26:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tiny Houses Entice Budget-Conscious Americans - http://sylnt.us - less-mobile-RV
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[16:09:38] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[16:09:39] <upstart> ^ 03Can You Swim in Shade Balls?
[16:26:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How You Lock Your Smartphone can Reveal Your Age: UBC Study - http://sylnt.us - they-will-never-guess-my-age-because-I-leave-my-phone-unlocked!
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[17:55:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Riviera Beach, Florida Paid $600,000 Bitcoin Ransom to Cyber Attackers - http://sylnt.us - sign-of-things-to-come
[18:53:56] <FatPhil> I like my robots how I like my pasta - all denty
[18:54:09] <FatPhil> woo woo! new series of Battlebots!
[18:59:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil++ # for great punnage
[18:59:33] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 37
[19:05:25] <AndyTheAbsurd> that pun was, indeed, electrifying.
[19:37:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA's JPL Hacked Using Unauthorized Raspberry Pi - http://sylnt.us - Pi-in-their-face
[20:09:27] <FatPhil> Ah, midsummmer weekend, which can mean only one thing here: https://www.youtube.com
[20:09:28] <upstart> ^ 03Porojen maihinnousu (Finnvasion)
[20:11:18] <FatPhil> A report from a Finn who's just got off the ferry indicates that that's pretty accurate.
[20:12:32] <chromas> They use Windows Phone?
[20:15:23] <FatPhil> Weird - I heard those two words for the first time in *years* just yesterday!
[20:15:37] <FatPhil> Well, they use Nokia, and Nokia went Windows, so yeah
[21:17:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Potential Discovery of a "Holy Grail" With the Invention of Universal Computer Memory - http://sylnt.us - real-deal?
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[22:46:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - More Bad Buzz for Bees: Record Number of Honeybee Colonies Died Last Winter - http://sylnt.us - Bzzzzt!-Bzzzzt!
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[23:59:22] <FatPhil> anyone got a regexp for detecting doubly-encoded utf8 mojibake? The final pairs of characters will be \xc2 and [\x80-\xbf], that much I've worked out. I guess it depends what I expect the range of the likely first character to be.