#Soylent | Logs for 2019-06-14
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[00:34:46] <Bytram> that does it. just cannot stay awake any longer. heading to bed
[00:35:08] <Bytram> Have a great night everyone!
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[01:36:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Graphene (With a Twist) Is Helping Scientists Understand Superconductors - http://sylnt.us
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[03:17:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nano Organisms Create Plastics and Fuels - http://sylnt.us - drop-'em-on-Venus-first
[04:46:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Record for World's Strongest DC Magnet - http://sylnt.us - you-could-run-39-of-these-off-of-just-one-Mr.-Fusion
[06:26:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Breakthrough (Mostly) Converts All Blood Types to Type O - http://sylnt.us
[08:05:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - iTunes Shutting Down - http://sylnt.us - shoulda-created-a-meta-app-called-iMedia
[08:20:15] <FatPhil> The officials said they didn’t know for sure whether the mines were Iranian. The U.S. concluded that Iran was responsible for the attacks based on intelligence sources and the absence of any better explanation, the officials said. They declined to elaborate on the intelligence sources.
[09:37:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Two Oil Tankers Attacked, US Blames Iran - http://sylnt.us - smell-of-napalm-in-the-morning-means-higher-pump-prices
[10:32:47] <FatPhil> http://www.youtube.com
[10:32:48] <upstart> ^ 03Text-based Editing of Talking-head Video (SIGGRAPH 2019) ( https://www.youtube.com )
[11:16:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What Makes Women Strong? - http://sylnt.us - *you*-try-keeping-up-with-a-bunch-of-children-all-day
[11:26:38] <chromas> dats sexist
[11:59:00] <chromas> Can I declare a jihad against goathead thorns?
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[12:44:36] <AndyTheAbsurd> beep boop beep.
[12:46:17] <Bytram> ew ee ew ah ah ting tang walla walla bing bang
[12:47:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bytram: continuing the conversation from yesterday afternoon - yes, Microsoft has historically been really good at making their interfaces both make sense and be easy to use even for people who are unable to use it in the "usual" way.
[12:48:11] <Bytram> Huh? Oh, *that* conversation! Agreed.
[12:48:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> They seem to not have been doing as good as a job of that lately, but I've mostly avoided having to interact with anything later than Win7, so I'm not sure my opinion on that subject is valid anymore.
[12:48:32] <Bytram> Compare LAN Manager syntax vs, say, banyan or novell
[12:48:39] <Bytram> ditto
[12:49:17] <Bytram> For example, to my eye, what a total-non-architected syntax mess is git and all its commands.
[12:49:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> oh man, git.
[12:50:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> 90% of the commands do completely the opposite of what I expect.
[12:50:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> 5% of them do something LIKE what I expect, but not quite I expected.
[12:50:37] <Bytram> From my perspective, it relies way too much on organically-grown, semantic-laden-recollection of what you want to do, rather than a nicely orthogonal collection of discoverable commands and actions
[12:50:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> And the remainder do exactly what I expect...but only because those are the commands I use frequently, so I know what to expect.
[12:50:47] <Bytram> ding ding ding!
[12:51:08] <Bytram> You've been bludgeoned into a state of unreasonableness.
[12:51:25] <Bytram> cf the "Law of Least Astonishment"
[12:51:29] <Bytram> =g "Law of Least Astonishment"
[12:51:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> ...I'm pretty sure I've always been unreasonable, actually.
[12:51:38] <Bytram> #g "Law of Least Astonishment"
[12:51:39] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "The principle of least astonishment (POLA), also called the principle of least surprise applies to ... \"Law of Least Astonishment\". The Tao of Programming. 4.1."
[12:53:26] <Bytram> by comparison, I usually find Gnu's tools arguments and syntax discoverable and understandable... strictly from the: foo --help page
[12:55:13] <Bytram> as long as the program author chooses reasonable 'toggle' names that assert the affirmative even if the desired default is the negative: --continue-on-error=N
[12:56:15] <Bytram> anti pattern from wget: --no-check-certificate should be: --check-certificate=N
[12:56:24] <Bytram> IMHO, of course!
[12:56:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM, KPMG, Merck, Walmart Team Up for Pharmaceutical Blockchain - http://sylnt.us - Who-got-what-from-where
[12:57:20] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:57:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4810
[12:57:23] <Bytram> !uid
[12:57:24] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 8184, owned by jotauaene
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[13:02:33] <Bytram> ${abbr PICNIC}
[13:02:33] <fungus> PICNIC
[13:02:47] <Bytram> PICNIC (Problem In Chair Not In Computer)
[13:03:05] <Bytram> Just saw that one for the first time! Reference: https://www.theregister.co.uk
[13:08:20] <SemperOSS> I did wonder why my laptop only worked when I was standing ... PICNIC
[13:10:13] <Bytram> Huh? Oh. Ooooooooh. Two thirds of a pun is "P. U."... good one!
[13:18:28] <SemperOSS> Er, P. U.?
[14:27:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amazon Sued for Allegedly Storing Children's Conversations Without Parental Consent - http://sylnt.us - it-hears-you
[15:20:18] <pinchy> bxx - never forget
[15:31:22] <Bytram> SemperOSS: pronounced "Pee Yew!" as in what one might say to communicate "that stinks!"
[15:31:35] <Bytram> hmmm, might be an Americanism?
[15:36:50] <Bytram> ok, gtg
[15:36:55] <Bytram> laters!
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[16:07:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Details Pricing, Hardware for Stadia Streaming Game Service - http://sylnt.us - what-data-cap?
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[17:43:58] <Runaway1956> Christchurch shooter appeared in court - headlines have him smirking - people outraged - what a shit
[17:44:20] <pinchy> muh diversity
[17:45:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. House Intelligence Committee Holds Hearing on "Deepfakes", Warns of "Post-Truth Future" - http://sylnt.us - deep-fakes-are-shallow
[17:47:11] <chromas> Anything but the smirk
[17:47:38] <chromas> #RememberCovington
[17:49:36] <Runaway1956> Does anyone ever look at alternet? They have to be THE most shameless "news source" in America
[17:49:51] <Runaway1956> Not progressive, but rabidly progressive
[17:51:32] <chromas> so it's like rationalwiki?
[17:52:41] <Runaway1956> i'll have to look at rationalwiki before I can answer that . . .
[17:54:32] <Runaway1956> Yeah, similar quality or crap
[17:54:56] <chromas> does alternet have smug though?
[18:06:31] <Runaway1956> Oh yeah, they are smugly superior to anyone who is not progressive
[18:07:27] <Runaway1956> Try them out, if you dare - https://www.alternet.org
[18:07:28] <upstart> ^ 03News & Politics
[18:10:54] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.redstate.com
[18:10:54] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[18:11:08] <SemperOSS> Should we go with the story https://www.bbc.co.uk about hospital patients have died from the hospital food (infected with Listeria)
[18:11:12] <upstart> ^ 03More deaths in sandwich listeria outbreak
[18:11:20] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[18:11:25] <Runaway1956> That's the only thing I get from newsfeeds today that *might* be worth discussing
[18:12:04] <Runaway1956> semperOSS - that looks like a plug for socialised medicine to me
[18:12:46] <SemperOSS> Well, that's what we have in the UK (and most of Europe, actually)
[18:14:03] <FatPhil> fuck me, I might sign up to Facebook if there's now the opportunity of earning a "Hate Agent" badge!
[18:14:09] <FatPhil> ~gday SemperOSS
[18:14:11] * exec abrasively planks a used franger of brown chunks in grey sauce for SemperOSS
[18:14:13] <SemperOSS> Libertarianism is not the norm in Europe
[18:14:25] <FatPhil> ~gday Runaway1956
[18:14:27] * exec provocatively extracts a rar archive of ciri's bothole from Runaway1956
[18:14:29] <SemperOSS> ~gday FatPhil
[18:14:35] * exec disturbingly shoves some juggs of unladen swallows in FatPhil
[18:16:44] <SemperOSS> So, how's it going wherever you are, FatPhil?
[18:17:46] <SemperOSS> (I'm still trying to get an idea of what approximate timezone everyone is in)
[18:20:04] <Runaway1956> ~gday back at you FatPhil
[18:20:06] * exec single-candidly uninstalls a hint of null terminators from back
[18:20:28] <Runaway1956> and with that - it's bed time!
[18:21:21] <SemperOSS> G'nite to you then, Runaway1956
[18:38:50] <FatPhil> Cool and noisy here in +2:00
[18:39:38] <FatPhil> there are 3 late-night bars in my building, and the first punters of the evening are appearing.
[18:46:58] <SemperOSS> I've always tried to avoid late-night bars myself, but not always possible
[18:50:45] <FatPhil> us too
[18:51:01] <FatPhil> when we moved in there was a clothing shop and a plan for a fancy restaurant
[18:51:33] <SemperOSS> Oh, aw, argh!
[18:51:57] <FatPhil> and then corrupt politicians fucked over licence holders on 2 nearby streets that were packed full of bars
[18:52:07] <FatPhil> so lots of bars sprung up down our street.
[18:52:36] <SemperOSS> G-r-e-a-t NOT!
[18:53:28] <SemperOSS> My worst experiences, noise-wise, have been with hotels
[18:53:37] <FatPhil> some are quite civilised, I don't mind them.
[18:54:39] <FatPhil> However, the ones in our building are very late night (5am) and very noisy.
[18:55:04] <SemperOSS> I feel for you, really
[18:56:50] <SemperOSS> Only, it's probably not the biggest problem for me any more as I'm on my second set of hearing aids
[18:58:36] <FatPhil> It's a first world problem - we knew we were moving downtown when we moved downtown
[19:02:19] <FatPhil> before bought it, the developer gave us the keys over the weekend, so we could hear what the 100m-away bars on the next street sounded like
[19:04:28] <FatPhil> you could hear them in thed lounge, but not in the bedroom.
[19:05:06] <FatPhil> we *thought* we'd done our due diligence ;-)
[19:10:02] <SemperOSS> Yeah, it's impossible. My dad managed a company and when the built their new headquarters overlooking a golf course, they had read the local statutes that prohibited building on that piece of land. Those statutes were rigorously upheld until they wanted to build a high-rise with a shopping centre on the land and suddenly they counted for nothing.
[19:10:15] <SemperOSS> the => they
[19:16:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China Lags Behind Other Countries in Semiconductor Manufacturing - http://sylnt.us - big-impact-from-very-little-things
[20:57:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - WhatsApp Pledges to Sue Users Over Missuse - http://sylnt.us - don't-do-that!
[21:53:52] <chromas> well shit
[21:53:56] <chromas> https://medicalxpress.com
[21:53:57] <upstart> ^ 03FDA warns of infections from fecal transplants after 1 death
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[22:25:31] <pinchy> what sort of ppl get fecal transplants?
[22:25:56] <pinchy> "one squirt of poo plz kthnx"
[22:27:12] <chromas> The sickest of peeps
[22:27:49] <chromas> Well I was gonna set up scatexchange.com but if there's deaths involved, I might have to go to an underground poo2poo sharing protocol
[22:28:04] <chromas> the website, of course, would run on phpoo
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[22:37:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - We Read 150 Privacy Policies. They Were an Incomprehensible Disaster. - http://sylnt.us - data-sharing-policies
[22:44:46] <RandomFactor> https://threatpost.com
[22:44:47] <upstart> ^ 03Millions of Linux Servers Under Worm Attack Via Exim Flaw
[22:46:02] <chromas> "wormable"
[22:46:23] <chromas> I guess everything is verbable