#Soylent | Logs for 2019-06-14
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[22:46:23] <chromas> I guess everything is verbable
[22:46:02] <chromas> "wormable"
[22:44:47] <upstart> ^ 03Millions of Linux Servers Under Worm Attack Via Exim Flaw
[22:44:46] <RandomFactor> https://threatpost.com
[22:37:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - We Read 150 Privacy Policies. They Were an Incomprehensible Disaster. - http://sylnt.us - data-sharing-policies
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[22:28:04] <chromas> the website, of course, would run on phpoo
[22:27:49] <chromas> Well I was gonna set up scatexchange.com but if there's deaths involved, I might have to go to an underground poo2poo sharing protocol
[22:27:12] <chromas> The sickest of peeps
[22:25:56] <pinchy> "one squirt of poo plz kthnx"
[22:25:31] <pinchy> what sort of ppl get fecal transplants?
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[21:53:57] <upstart> ^ 03FDA warns of infections from fecal transplants after 1 death
[21:53:56] <chromas> https://medicalxpress.com
[21:53:52] <chromas> well shit
[20:57:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - WhatsApp Pledges to Sue Users Over Missuse - http://sylnt.us - don't-do-that!
[19:16:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China Lags Behind Other Countries in Semiconductor Manufacturing - http://sylnt.us - big-impact-from-very-little-things
[19:10:15] <SemperOSS> the => they
[19:10:02] <SemperOSS> Yeah, it's impossible. My dad managed a company and when the built their new headquarters overlooking a golf course, they had read the local statutes that prohibited building on that piece of land. Those statutes were rigorously upheld until they wanted to build a high-rise with a shopping centre on the land and suddenly they counted for nothing.
[19:05:06] <FatPhil> we *thought* we'd done our due diligence ;-)
[19:04:28] <FatPhil> you could hear them in thed lounge, but not in the bedroom.
[19:02:19] <FatPhil> before bought it, the developer gave us the keys over the weekend, so we could hear what the 100m-away bars on the next street sounded like
[18:58:36] <FatPhil> It's a first world problem - we knew we were moving downtown when we moved downtown
[18:56:50] <SemperOSS> Only, it's probably not the biggest problem for me any more as I'm on my second set of hearing aids
[18:55:04] <SemperOSS> I feel for you, really
[18:54:39] <FatPhil> However, the ones in our building are very late night (5am) and very noisy.
[18:53:37] <FatPhil> some are quite civilised, I don't mind them.
[18:53:28] <SemperOSS> My worst experiences, noise-wise, have been with hotels
[18:52:36] <SemperOSS> G-r-e-a-t NOT!
[18:52:07] <FatPhil> so lots of bars sprung up down our street.
[18:51:57] <FatPhil> and then corrupt politicians fucked over licence holders on 2 nearby streets that were packed full of bars
[18:51:33] <SemperOSS> Oh, aw, argh!
[18:51:01] <FatPhil> when we moved in there was a clothing shop and a plan for a fancy restaurant
[18:50:45] <FatPhil> us too
[18:46:58] <SemperOSS> I've always tried to avoid late-night bars myself, but not always possible
[18:39:38] <FatPhil> there are 3 late-night bars in my building, and the first punters of the evening are appearing.
[18:38:50] <FatPhil> Cool and noisy here in +2:00
[18:21:21] <SemperOSS> G'nite to you then, Runaway1956
[18:20:28] <Runaway1956> and with that - it's bed time!
[18:20:06] * exec single-candidly uninstalls a hint of null terminators from back
[18:20:04] <Runaway1956> ~gday back at you FatPhil
[18:17:46] <SemperOSS> (I'm still trying to get an idea of what approximate timezone everyone is in)
[18:16:44] <SemperOSS> So, how's it going wherever you are, FatPhil?
[18:14:35] * exec disturbingly shoves some juggs of unladen swallows in FatPhil
[18:14:29] <SemperOSS> ~gday FatPhil
[18:14:27] * exec provocatively extracts a rar archive of ciri's bothole from Runaway1956
[18:14:25] <FatPhil> ~gday Runaway1956
[18:14:13] <SemperOSS> Libertarianism is not the norm in Europe
[18:14:11] * exec abrasively planks a used franger of brown chunks in grey sauce for SemperOSS
[18:14:09] <FatPhil> ~gday SemperOSS
[18:14:03] <FatPhil> fuck me, I might sign up to Facebook if there's now the opportunity of earning a "Hate Agent" badge!
[18:12:46] <SemperOSS> Well, that's what we have in the UK (and most of Europe, actually)
[18:12:04] <Runaway1956> semperOSS - that looks like a plug for socialised medicine to me
[18:11:25] <Runaway1956> That's the only thing I get from newsfeeds today that *might* be worth discussing
[18:11:20] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[18:11:12] <upstart> ^ 03More deaths in sandwich listeria outbreak
[18:11:08] <SemperOSS> Should we go with the story https://www.bbc.co.uk about hospital patients have died from the hospital food (infected with Listeria)
[18:10:54] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[18:10:54] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.redstate.com
[18:07:28] <upstart> ^ 03News & Politics
[18:07:27] <Runaway1956> Try them out, if you dare - https://www.alternet.org
[18:06:31] <Runaway1956> Oh yeah, they are smugly superior to anyone who is not progressive
[17:54:56] <chromas> does alternet have smug though?
[17:54:32] <Runaway1956> Yeah, similar quality or crap
[17:52:41] <Runaway1956> i'll have to look at rationalwiki before I can answer that . . .
[17:51:32] <chromas> so it's like rationalwiki?
[17:49:51] <Runaway1956> Not progressive, but rabidly progressive
[17:49:36] <Runaway1956> Does anyone ever look at alternet? They have to be THE most shameless "news source" in America
[17:47:38] <chromas> #RememberCovington
[17:47:11] <chromas> Anything but the smirk
[17:45:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. House Intelligence Committee Holds Hearing on "Deepfakes", Warns of "Post-Truth Future" - http://sylnt.us - deep-fakes-are-shallow
[17:44:20] <pinchy> muh diversity
[17:43:58] <Runaway1956> Christchurch shooter appeared in court - headlines have him smirking - people outraged - what a shit
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[16:07:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Details Pricing, Hardware for Stadia Streaming Game Service - http://sylnt.us - what-data-cap?
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[15:36:55] <Bytram> laters!
[15:36:50] <Bytram> ok, gtg
[15:31:35] <Bytram> hmmm, might be an Americanism?
[15:31:22] <Bytram> SemperOSS: pronounced "Pee Yew!" as in what one might say to communicate "that stinks!"
[15:20:18] <pinchy> bxx - never forget
[14:27:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amazon Sued for Allegedly Storing Children's Conversations Without Parental Consent - http://sylnt.us - it-hears-you
[13:18:28] <SemperOSS> Er, P. U.?
[13:10:13] <Bytram> Huh? Oh. Ooooooooh. Two thirds of a pun is "P. U."... good one!
[13:08:20] <SemperOSS> I did wonder why my laptop only worked when I was standing ... PICNIC
[13:03:05] <Bytram> Just saw that one for the first time! Reference: https://www.theregister.co.uk
[13:02:47] <Bytram> PICNIC (Problem In Chair Not In Computer)
[13:02:33] <fungus> PICNIC
[13:02:33] <Bytram> ${abbr PICNIC}
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[12:57:24] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 8184, owned by jotauaene
[12:57:23] <Bytram> !uid
[12:57:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4810
[12:57:20] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:56:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM, KPMG, Merck, Walmart Team Up for Pharmaceutical Blockchain - http://sylnt.us - Who-got-what-from-where
[12:56:24] <Bytram> IMHO, of course!
[12:56:15] <Bytram> anti pattern from wget: --no-check-certificate should be: --check-certificate=N
[12:55:13] <Bytram> as long as the program author chooses reasonable 'toggle' names that assert the affirmative even if the desired default is the negative: --continue-on-error=N
[12:53:26] <Bytram> by comparison, I usually find Gnu's tools arguments and syntax discoverable and understandable... strictly from the: foo --help page
[12:51:39] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "The principle of least astonishment (POLA), also called the principle of least surprise applies to ... \"Law of Least Astonishment\". The Tao of Programming. 4.1."
[12:51:38] <Bytram> #g "Law of Least Astonishment"
[12:51:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> ...I'm pretty sure I've always been unreasonable, actually.
[12:51:29] <Bytram> =g "Law of Least Astonishment"
[12:51:25] <Bytram> cf the "Law of Least Astonishment"
[12:51:08] <Bytram> You've been bludgeoned into a state of unreasonableness.
[12:50:47] <Bytram> ding ding ding!
[12:50:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> And the remainder do exactly what I expect...but only because those are the commands I use frequently, so I know what to expect.
[12:50:37] <Bytram> From my perspective, it relies way too much on organically-grown, semantic-laden-recollection of what you want to do, rather than a nicely orthogonal collection of discoverable commands and actions
[12:50:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> 5% of them do something LIKE what I expect, but not quite I expected.
[12:50:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> 90% of the commands do completely the opposite of what I expect.
[12:49:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> oh man, git.
[12:49:17] <Bytram> For example, to my eye, what a total-non-architected syntax mess is git and all its commands.
[12:48:39] <Bytram> ditto
[12:48:32] <Bytram> Compare LAN Manager syntax vs, say, banyan or novell
[12:48:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> They seem to not have been doing as good as a job of that lately, but I've mostly avoided having to interact with anything later than Win7, so I'm not sure my opinion on that subject is valid anymore.
[12:48:11] <Bytram> Huh? Oh, *that* conversation! Agreed.
[12:47:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bytram: continuing the conversation from yesterday afternoon - yes, Microsoft has historically been really good at making their interfaces both make sense and be easy to use even for people who are unable to use it in the "usual" way.
[12:46:17] <Bytram> ew ee ew ah ah ting tang walla walla bing bang
[12:44:36] <AndyTheAbsurd> beep boop beep.
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[11:59:00] <chromas> Can I declare a jihad against goathead thorns?
[11:26:38] <chromas> dats sexist
[11:16:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What Makes Women Strong? - http://sylnt.us - *you*-try-keeping-up-with-a-bunch-of-children-all-day
[10:32:48] <upstart> ^ 03Text-based Editing of Talking-head Video (SIGGRAPH 2019) ( https://www.youtube.com )
[10:32:47] <FatPhil> http://www.youtube.com
[09:37:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Two Oil Tankers Attacked, US Blames Iran - http://sylnt.us - smell-of-napalm-in-the-morning-means-higher-pump-prices
[08:20:15] <FatPhil> The officials said they didn’t know for sure whether the mines were Iranian. The U.S. concluded that Iran was responsible for the attacks based on intelligence sources and the absence of any better explanation, the officials said. They declined to elaborate on the intelligence sources.
[08:05:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - iTunes Shutting Down - http://sylnt.us - shoulda-created-a-meta-app-called-iMedia
[06:26:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Breakthrough (Mostly) Converts All Blood Types to Type O - http://sylnt.us
[04:46:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Record for World's Strongest DC Magnet - http://sylnt.us - you-could-run-39-of-these-off-of-just-one-Mr.-Fusion
[03:17:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nano Organisms Create Plastics and Fuels - http://sylnt.us - drop-'em-on-Venus-first
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[00:35:08] <Bytram> Have a great night everyone!
[00:34:46] <Bytram> that does it. just cannot stay awake any longer. heading to bed