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[00:00:20] <Bytram> #yt wlnKE1m8dps
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[00:03:05] <Bytram> #g youtube wlnKE1m8dps
[00:03:05] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com - "Mar 7, 2019 ... In this video we will try autopilot to see how responsive/how it reacts to people in its path. Software version when recorded: 2019.4.3. (AP 2.5)"
[00:09:20] <Bytram> "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbbIg3pkEpU"
[00:09:29] <Bytram> https://www.youtube.com
[00:09:30] <upstart> ^ 03Husband nearly runs wife over as he tests Teslas autopilot by having her step out in front of car
[00:31:05] <chromas> Muh sensationalism
[00:37:56] <Bytram> clicks++ ??
[00:37:56] <Bender> karma - clicks: 1
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[01:06:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AMD Plans to Stack DRAM and SRAM on Top of its Future Processors - http://sylnt.us - top-that!
[01:08:43] <AzumaHazuki> from the L4$ dept?
[01:10:51] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: not sure I understand the reference
[01:11:24] <Bytram> to me L4 is a place in orbital mechanics where a body tends to remain [mostly] stationary
[01:11:34] <Bytram> or L5 or...
[01:11:39] <AzumaHazuki> level 4 cache
[01:11:44] <Bytram> aka Lagrange points, IRC
[01:11:50] <Bytram> ooooh. got it.
[01:12:00] <AzumaHazuki> technically Broadwell-C kiiiinda did it already?
[01:12:09] <Bytram> beats me
[01:12:17] <AzumaHazuki> this is interesting though. does this imply machines that don't need system DRAM?
[01:12:57] <Bytram> prolly different refrsh rates
[01:13:17] <Bytram> otoh, what about HBM?
[01:13:29] <Bytram> #g HBM memory
[01:13:30] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "The second generation of High Bandwidth Memory, HBM 2, also specifies up to eight dies per stack and doubles pin transfer rates up to 2 ..."
[01:13:51] <Bytram> if not the same thing, then prolly kissing cousins, at least
[01:25:16] <AzumaHazuki> interesting what's coming out of AMD recently. i wonder how long i'll be alive to see this...
[01:27:22] <Bytram> was just thinking a day or two go that Intel has fallen way behind its old page... AMD seems to have made tremendous strides these past few years. ryzen, threadripper, new dGPUs, and all at what seems to be a smaller process node than what intel offers.
[01:28:12] <Bytram> Intel always seems to be 1 or 2 process nodes ahead of everyone else, and now it looks like they have fallen *behind* AMD
[01:28:22] <Bytram> s/seems/seemed/
[01:28:56] <Bytram> is getting late and I think I'll call it a night.
[01:29:18] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: been nice chatting with you -- thanks for the conversation!
[01:30:45] <AzumaHazuki> o/
[02:02:47] <chromas> https://www.cvt24.com
[02:03:10] <chromas> [bot death sounds]
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[02:36:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Internet Archive Moving to Preserve Google+ Posts before April Shutdown - http://sylnt.us - imagine-if-it-were-facebook
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[04:17:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Man Tests Tesla Autopilot Anti-Collision Feature by Trying to Run Over his Wife - http://sylnt.us - facepalm.jpeg
[05:45:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nvidia Announces Jetson Nano Single-Board Computer - http://sylnt.us - I'm-going-to-name-one-George...and-hug-it-and-pet-it-and-squeeze-it
[07:27:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Textalyzer' Aims To Curb Distracted Driving, but What About Privacy? - http://sylnt.us - trying-to-use-technology-to-solve-a-social-issue
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[08:17:05] <FatPhil> Stacked memory is straight out of the mobile arena, it's just desktops catching up.
[08:17:22] <FatPhil> I'm guessing because the thermal dissipation issues are greater.
[08:17:37] <chromas> I wish desktops would catch up with mobile screen resolutions
[08:17:41] <chromas> and LED displays
[08:17:55] <FatPhil> and power consumption!
[08:18:16] <chromas> True. Why can't my cpu clock down to 200MHz when idle?
[08:19:56] <FatPhil> I think i have a lappy chip in my "desktop" (a mini box thing), and that steps down to 500 before off, which is better than a kick in the teeth.
[08:20:53] <FatPhil> I wish I could tell the kernel "prefer to run 3ms at 500MHz than 1ms at 1500MHz", as I'm sure my fan wouldn't need to spin up as often if it did that.
[08:23:58] <chromas> Time to build your own cpu governor
[08:25:18] <chromas> Linux has one called Conservative but it tends to get punched by keyboard warriors
[08:42:46] <chromas> How about a charity event for Multiple Sclerosis featuring all the popular comedians? We can call it Comic sans MS
[09:00:35] <FatPhil> chromas++
[09:00:35] <Bender> karma - chromas: 248
[09:06:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intel and Cray Will Build Aurora, U.S.'s First Exaflops Supercomputer, for $500 Million - http://sylnt.us - kilo-mega-giga-tera-peta-exa...-Zoinks!!
[09:54:34] <FatPhil> don't yikesaflops come before zoinksaflops?
[10:20:51] <boru> WRT power savings, your desktop can, indeed, do that, just as well as your phone.
[10:21:21] <boru> If you've compiled support for cpufreqd (iirc on Linux), then you can select which profile you'd prefer.
[10:21:37] <boru> powerd is the equivalent on BSD.
[10:22:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:22:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4665
[10:47:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Prenatal Exposure to Testosterone May Harm Female Fraternal Twins - http://sylnt.us - post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc
[10:50:28] <FatPhil> boru - it's all futile, I have the kswapd0 @ 100% bug in my distro's kernel, and I can no longer be arsed to go off reservation w.r.t. core software components.
[10:51:08] <FatPhil> I suspect that just killing all browsers before bed would help the fucker stop spinning up
[10:52:21] <boru> Are you forever married to this distro, or would you consider installing a Real Operating System™ like BSD?
[10:53:22] <FatPhil> I kinda like GNU tools, so prefer GNU/linux
[10:53:32] <boru> Which tools?
[10:54:11] <FatPhil> all the day-to-day boring ones, which have 200 switches in GNU, and 5 switches in BSD
[10:54:38] <FatPhil> Sure, GNU's gone a bit over-the-top, but I kinda like some of them, so have to take them all.
[10:55:14] <boru> You'd probably find that they are mostly available on BSD.
[10:55:26] <boru> Whether it's via the coreutils package/port, or something else.
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[11:06:49] <FatPhil> if there's a BSD for headless RasPi, I'm up for giving it a try.
[11:06:57] <boru> There certainly is.
[11:07:12] <boru> Which raspberry poo do you have?
[11:09:09] <FatPhil> B-ish, old old
[11:09:28] <FatPhil> this doesn't endear me to them:An error occurred during a connection to www.raspbsd.org.
[11:09:31] <FatPhil> Cannot communicate securely with peer: no common encryption algorithm(s).
[11:09:32] <boru> So, ARMv6-A, then?
[11:09:52] <boru> 12.0-RELEASE here: https://download.freebsd.org
[11:09:54] <upstart> ^ 03Index of /ftp/releases/arm/armv6/ISO-IMAGES/12.0/ ( https://download.freebsd.org )
[11:10:59] <boru> And more information here: https://wiki.freebsd.org
[11:11:01] <upstart> ^ 03FreeBSD/arm/Raspberry Pi - FreeBSD Wiki
[11:19:04] <FatPhil> will follow links after lunch...
[11:46:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.oneangrygamer.net Cue the eminently predictable "private companies aren't subject to the 1st amendment" strawmen.
[11:46:22] <MrPlow> got http response code 403
[11:46:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> blarg
[11:47:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.hardocp.com Cue the eminently predictable "private companies aren't subject to the 1st amendment" strawmen.
[11:47:37] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[11:48:02] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[11:49:35] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:49:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4666
[11:49:54] <Bytram> last work day before "vacation"
[11:51:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://captrobau.blogspot.com
[11:51:22] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[11:51:42] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:51:47] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[11:51:48] <Bytram> oh, yeah. no exec
[11:51:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, neato. sorry, ain't had any time at all to get any vm work done. hafta use lithium if you wanna monkey with stuff.
[11:51:56] <Bytram> #yt NEdvyrKokX4
[11:51:56] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[11:52:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> =gday Bytram
[11:52:03] * upstart dianetically generates a small script that substitutes an A cup of mud pies for Bytram
[11:52:05] <Bytram> np
[11:52:13] <Bytram> =gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:52:13] * upstart genuinely kipes a pipe of eyeball jelly from TheMightyBuzzard
[11:52:28] <Bytram> tie-ish
[11:52:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah
[11:53:06] * Bytram has been up to his eyeballs busy the past few days anyway and will be unavailable this weekend (going on a retreat)
[11:53:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> rock on
[11:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like i won't be doing much today as TR is going to be doing errands that don't require my presence. might give the vm another go in a bit.
[11:54:47] <Bytram> nice! Best of luck to ya!
[11:56:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> or i may play vidya. haven't had a chance in weeks when there wasn't something better to do.
[11:57:25] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:58:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> dev vm is going to be using apache 2.4 but not a recent version. fairly old version of perl as well. mod_perl will be both a years old version and the latest because they're the same thing.
[12:00:09] <Bytram> and... there *should* be no discernable differences between those and what is currently live on the site, at least WRT the site?
[12:02:30] <Bytram> time to get myself ready for work
[12:05:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> there better not be or i'll have to compile the versions we're using on prod.
[12:05:53] <Bytram> good too no! thanks!
[12:05:57] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[12:05:58] <upstart> ^ 03The Treaty of Westphalia - Fry and Laurie
[12:15:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Huge Meteor Explosion Over Earth Last Year Went Unnoticed Until Now - http://sylnt.us - masters-of-obliviousness
[12:28:41] <Bytram> time for work... laters!
[12:56:32] <FatPhil> https://www.bbc.co.uk
[12:56:36] <upstart> ^ 03Woman nearly dies after fruit injection
[13:04:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> double standard. old lady gets sympathy for juicing and pro athletes get the boot.
[13:56:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Khronos Group Announces Release of OpenXR 0.90 Provisional Specification for VR and AR Applications - http://sylnt.us
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[15:36:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Evidence of 'Enormous' Solar Storm Suggests Devastating Event could be Around Corner - http://sylnt.us - around-the-corner-could-be-500-years
[16:38:27] <FatPhil> fux, have uSD card for Pi BSD, but not enough power connectors :/
[16:46:39] <FatPhil> boru: so the 13.0 images are just weekly builds? I'm more of a stable kind of guy, so 12 seems best.
[16:54:38] <boru> Yeah, 13.0 is -CURRENT, and the snapshots are taken at regular intervals, but people try to snapshot when -CURRENT isn't broken.
[16:54:59] <boru> I use -RELEASE on all of my machines. -STABLE would probably be fine, though.
[16:55:17] <boru> -RELEASE only gets critical security and stability fixes.
[16:55:39] <boru> Whereas the guarantee you get with -STABLE is a stable ABI, but other minor fixes.
[16:56:36] <boru> And once you install, `freebsd-update fetch install && pkg update`; the latter will bootstrap pkg-ng, and then you can install packages to your heart's content.
[16:56:52] <boru> Or compile from ports, if you really want to experience that pain first hand on a raspberry poo.
[16:57:28] <boru> That said, you _can_ do what I do, and cross compile elsewhere, and host a local PACKAGESITE if you decide the default options for packages is insufficient for your needs; many ways to skin this particular cat.
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[17:10:29] <FatPhil> ah, so releases are like debian stable, and stable is like debian testing
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[17:26:51] * AndyTheAbsurd waits for Bender to pick up the latest soylentnews headline
[17:27:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Computer Science College Seniors in U.S. Outperform Peers in China, India and Russia - http://sylnt.us - problem-solvers
[17:34:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> surprising no one who has worked with offshore "talent" in the last decade.
[17:36:01] <Sulla> Wonder how long it will last. It seems that the teaching of problem solving in the k-12 is less and less each year
[17:36:38] <Sulla> India will want to teach problem solving/creativity because it won't cause them any issues at home, but China cannot because it would probably lead to revolution
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[18:55:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Augmented Reality Helps Disabled Persons to Control Robot Assistant Easily - http://sylnt.us - technology
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[19:54:53] <chromas> persons
[19:55:27] <chromas> Can't laugh at young-earth creationists for saying "evidences" when people are going around saying "persons" and "peoples"
[19:58:11] * AndyTheAbsurd reminds chromas that "chroma" is a word
[19:58:59] <chromas> is it an uncountable noun though?
[20:00:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> ...yes?
[20:00:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> (I'm not actually sure.)
[20:01:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> Neither dictionary.com nor merriam-webster.com give a plural form.
[20:02:24] <chromas> Well that's just theabsurd, Andy
[20:14:52] <FatPhil> suspish: https://cointelegraph.com
[20:14:54] <upstart> ^ 03QuadrigaCX Co-Founder Michael Patryn Is Actually Convicted Criminal Omar Dhanani: Report
[20:22:46] <chromas> le armchair detective
[20:25:48] <FatPhil> it might be that simply everyone involved in cryptos is a crook, of course, and therefore there's no news here.
[20:28:04] * chromas quietly divests his buttcoin collection
[20:55:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lowering Blood Pressure Prevents Worsening Brain Damage in Elderly People - http://sylnt.us - lesion-of-doom
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[22:14:21] <FatPhil> WCPGW: https://www.tflcar.com
[22:14:22] <upstart> ^ 03Toyota Patents A Fragrance Dispenser That Hits Car Thieves With A Faceful Of Tear Gas - The Fast Lane Car
[22:15:34] <FatPhil> namely: http://www.freepatentsonline.com
[22:15:35] <upstart> ^ 03VEHICLE FRAGRANCE DISPENSER - TOYOTA JIDOSHA KABUSHIKI KAISHA
[22:36:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nvidia AI Turns Sketches Into Photorealistic Landscapes in Seconds - http://sylnt.us
[23:03:36] <FatPhil> What happened to the separation of church and state? https://edition.cnn.com
[23:03:41] <upstart> ^ 03State Department bars press corps from Pompeo briefing, won't release list of attendees
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[23:42:12] <FatPhil> https://www.motherjones.com
[23:42:13] <upstart> ^ 03Google, Facebook, and Microsoft sponsored a conference that promoted climate change denial
[23:50:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://techraptor.net
[23:50:54] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[23:51:19] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org