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[01:06:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Crytek Demos Real-Time Raytracing for AMD and Non-RTX Nvidia GPUs - http://sylnt.us - you-can-call-me-ray-tracing
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[03:06:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - DARPA Is Building a $10 Million, Open Source, Secure Voting System - http://sylnt.us
[03:17:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - California Declared "Drought Free" for First Time in over 7 Years - http://sylnt.us - for-how-long?
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[04:36:18] <AzumaHazuki> got to go deliver meds to digestive health, whee. they have the colonoscopy things displayed behind glass like alien rifles in the world's weirdest gun cabinet
[04:36:26] <AzumaHazuki> my new name for these things is "nope on a rope," by the way
[04:42:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> excellent name for them. cancer sounds slightly more fun.
[04:43:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> there is no problem so serious that i need a roto-rooter for my butt.
[05:18:31] <AzumaHazuki> #submit https://arstechnica.com from the you're-still-going-to-Hell dept.
[05:18:31] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[05:18:56] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[05:20:37] * FatPhil just stole a bottle of the most expensive booze (20y rum) in his nearest bar
[05:21:21] <FatPhil> hilarious, I got a real kick from taking the bottle, looking at it, and walking out of the door.
[05:25:12] <FatPhil> owners know that the alternative is that I call the police. I reckon this could be a regular thing.
[05:26:52] <FatPhil> just for reference - 7am here
[05:36:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 39% of Counterstrike 1.6 Servers Serving Malware - http://sylnt.us - striking-game-security
[06:27:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, while hilarious, that just means they'll start hiding or stop stocking the good stuff.
[07:56:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Students Worldwide Skip School to Protest Climate Inaction - http://sylnt.us - calling-for-compulsary-education-by-skipping-education
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[10:16:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Woman Had a Dangerous Allergic Reaction after Sex - http://sylnt.us - don't-swallow
[10:54:05] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard: I want them to stop stocking any stuff
[10:54:55] <FatPhil> I moved into this building before them, it was a clothing store when I moved here.
[10:57:32] <FatPhil> yay - it was this: http://edrinks.ee
[10:57:35] <upstart> ^ 03Plantation Barbados Extra Old Rum 40,0%vol 0,7l - eDrinks
[11:15:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, wanting booze to be farther away? the sense you're making is not.
[11:26:37] <FatPhil> 2 nightclubs and 1 pub have moved into this building since I bought my flat.
[11:26:47] <FatPhil> Next door, there's a coctail bar.
[11:26:59] <FatPhil> opposite that, there's a nightclub
[11:27:27] <FatPhil> two doors up from that, there's a gin bar, and opposite that there's a wine bar
[11:27:47] <FatPhil> none of which existed when I moved in.
[11:30:28] <FatPhil> I have deliberately not added the 3 places in my building to OSM because I want them to not get customers, the other ones are fine to be honest, so this is up to date: https://www.openstreetmap.org
[11:30:31] <upstart> ^ 03OpenStreetMap ( https://www.openstreetmap.org )
[11:36:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> noise issues then is it?
[11:36:32] <FatPhil> fuck yeah
[11:36:58] <FatPhil> sometimes, my bed vibrates
[11:37:10] <FatPhil> limestone has fallen out of my walls!
[11:37:55] <FatPhil> seriously considered building some kind of EMP device
[11:39:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> watch the shielding. needs to be reliably grounded or you let the magic smoke out of your own stuff too.
[11:39:35] <FatPhil> yeah, I don't do it because I know I'd fuck up.
[11:42:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ground loops in an emp device could be interesting, yeah.
[11:45:27] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders off in search of more coffee and nicotine
[11:46:33] <FatPhil> I have a feeling I have enough keys to the building to get into the distribution room and simply tutn their electricity off. However, I suspect my keys would be taken off me were I do to that.
[11:46:55] <FatPhil> stealing a bottle of fancy rum definitely the safer option.
[11:47:45] <FatPhil> "I'll have the XO" "a small one, or a large one?" "the bottle" [bottle handed over] [walks out].
[11:48:01] <FatPhil> It was beautiful thing.
[12:11:12] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:11:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4662
[12:12:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> blarg. i'm seriously considering ditching apache entirely for rehash and going with an application server. fucking mod_perl hasn't been updated in two years.
[12:12:31] * Bytram needs moah sleep; working the late shift tonight and though I have a commensurately later start, am scheduled to work until late -- 90 minutes before midnight.
[12:12:55] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: that sounds like a lot of work?
[12:13:35] <Bytram> as I currently misunderstand it, mod_perl is the "glue" between apache and all the perl code we use?
[12:13:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> not as much as you'd think but yeah. only the bits that hook into apache itself would need much changing.
[12:14:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> there really aren't that many of them or it would have taken NC a lot longer to get us on apache 2.2
[12:16:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'd have the advantage of being able to ditch reliance on apache, mod_perl, and a custom-built perl version. we could use the system's perl and just watch on dev for breaking changes.
[12:17:12] <Bytram> "not that many" == ? are we talking on the order of 10s, 100s, ??
[12:17:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> not a clue. a couple weeks worth of work i expect.
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[12:18:17] <Bytram> I would want the current stuff instrumented like crazy and some test coverage of what is there before any action on implementing a new interface.
[12:18:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> a couple days to get it "working", the rest of the time to chase bugs.
[12:18:37] <Bytram> who you looking at?
[12:18:40] <Bytram> ~blame
[12:18:42] * exec points at Bytram
[12:19:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> me chasing bugs too, along with anyone we can badger into it.
[12:20:18] <Bytram> before you go off and do that, a simple but hugely useful change for us editors: add a dT (delta time) column, just before the date column which would show (in minutes) how long until the story below it.
[12:20:26] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:21:11] <Bytram> for the last-displayed story, either put "N/A" (not available) or grab 41 rows at the outset instead of 40.
[12:22:59] <Bytram> that, and change the time stamp that is used in the editor interface to schedule the time of a story to NOT need the seconds part... is not used and I've all too often messed it up and stories get released into the dumpster (i.e. epoch 0; 1970-01-01 00:00:00 I think)
[12:23:21] * Bytram figures it never hurts to ask.
[12:24:22] * Bytram is on vacation in about 10 days and is trying to plan ahead for things he can do, then... standing up a linux instance where he can actually do site coding is high on the list)
[12:25:51] <Bytram> !uid
[12:25:51] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 7495, owned by Telecasteresz
[12:26:05] <Bytram> Bender: s/...$//
[12:27:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, i can prolly get you a dev vm built by then but it won't be using recent versions of apache or perl cause most anything newer than two years old just isn't going to work with mod_perl ever again it appears.
[12:28:30] <Bytram> s'okay
[12:29:49] <Bytram> Ima thinking that being able to actually look at the actual code w/o worrying about line endings, etc. and being able to code simple changes for your review and psuhing out would suffice. You want someone *else* to review my code changes... and I'd desk check everything pretty well before hand.
[12:32:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can do that without a full dev vm. you can break lithium all you like to test your code.
[12:32:48] <Bytram> Hrrrrrm.... interesting!
[12:32:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> any linux vm with an editor and git would suffice if you're doing your testing on dev.
[12:33:50] <Bytram> oh yeah, git. I don't mid it too much, but the "Mystery Meat Navigation" on GitHub bugs me to no end; which there was a CLI-only way to move things along.
[12:33:55] <Bytram> s/mid/mind/
[12:33:57] <exec> <Bytram> oh yeah, git. I don't mind it too much, but the "Mystery Meat Navigation" on GitHub bugs me to no end; which there was a CLI-only way to move things along.
[12:34:15] <Bytram> s/which/wish/
[12:34:17] <exec> <Bytram> oh yeah, git. I don't mid it too much, but the "Mystery Meat Navigation" on GitHub bugs me to no end; wish there was a CLI-only way to move things along.
[12:34:40] <Bytram> definitely undercaffeinated this am...
[12:34:43] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:34:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4663
[12:34:44] <Bytram> brb
[12:36:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Did Dietary Changes Bring Us ‘F’ Words? Study Tackles Complexities of Language’s Origins - http://sylnt.us - fun-feast-for-five-families
[12:37:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> github should only be used for storage, branch management, pull requests, and tracking issues. you're don't supposed to do actual work on it.
[12:40:04] <Bytram> understood. It's just that I find it a pain. Ya gotta "know" what strange things to click with no discoverability in the UI
[12:40:48] * Bytram misses menus -- enumerate all the choices for me and then I can pick the one I want... OR give me a CLI with --help so I can list the options and pick one of those.
[12:41:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's almost nothing you need to do in the UI if you're git-ing properly
[12:42:13] <Bytram> well, what little there is that you showed me to do, way-back-when, is still opaque to me. maybe I just haven't done it enough times in a short time period to get used to it.
[12:44:09] <Bytram> can save it for a later date, anyway.
[12:44:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i mean there's like nothing but creating pull requests that you should be doing as a dev.
[12:44:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> and that's like three clicks
[12:44:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> everything else you should be handling cli
[12:45:51] <Bytram> huh. for some reason I recalled it being much more than that; still why can't a client app send a command to github to tell it to click on "foo"
[12:46:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause it's a website not an application
[12:46:25] <Bytram> At some level, html is just a very verbose CLI, right?
[12:46:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> extremely verbose, yes
[12:46:49] <Bytram> is how I did a bunch of the site testing automation!
[12:47:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> and there's literally nothing but pull requests you need touch github for
[12:47:58] <Bytram> besides using the buiilt-in API, I watched GETs and PUTs in my browser, noticed the variant parts, and encapsulated them in commands so I could invoke them programmatically
[12:48:31] <Bytram> prolly just a misunderstanding on my part, then. Wouldn't be the first time!
[12:49:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, quit worrying. unless you just want to, you never have to touch github.
[12:49:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> last time you had to do bad touching because your local repo got buggered up
[12:49:40] <Bytram> oh? Huh. Good to know!!
[12:49:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it was just easier to nuke and repave than fix
[12:50:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[12:50:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[12:50:12] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 698
[12:51:42] <Bytram> usually takes me 3-4 times in a row down the correct path to get something committed to memory; any deviations/mistakes on that path is not good... otoh, once I get the main path down, then I start going nuts playing with permutations and getting to know the parameter space
[12:52:05] <Bytram> yeah, break time for me, too... got a buncha stuff to do this AM before heading off to work this PM
[12:52:32] <Bytram> very much appreciate the input/feedback!
[13:00:12] <Bytram> gtg; not sure if/when I'll be back today.
[13:02:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto
[14:46:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Waiting for the Complete Rupture - http://sylnt.us - shake,-rattle,-and-roll
[15:06:43] <FatPhil> I read waiting for compete rapture
[17:02:16] <FatPhil> boobies--
[17:02:16] <Bender> karma - boobies: 0
[17:02:18] <FatPhil> https://www.zerohedge.com
[17:02:19] <upstart> ^ 03Tumblr Traffic Tanks 30% After Banning Booty
[17:17:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Spaceflight Causes Dormant Viruses to Reactivate in Human Crew - http://sylnt.us - get-shot-in-the-arm-before-getting-shot-into-space
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[19:20:03] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: How about FasatCGI?
[19:20:37] <chromas> Then you can easily swap out Apache for InjunX or IIS
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[19:25:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Halo Drive - http://sylnt.us - first,-assume-a-spherical-cow...
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[21:47:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - John Oliver Fights Robocalls — by Robocalling Ajit Pai and the FCC - http://sylnt.us - Protovision,-I-have-you-now