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[00:00:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. most belief systems have at least something to recommend them. i steal what i find truth in then figure out how it fits with what i currently believe.
[00:00:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> or if it does. sometimes it requires throwing out some things i quite liked.
[00:01:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> really, the history of any given belief system isn't relevant to me except as trivia or another possibly useful interpretation to steal from.
[00:01:57] <AzumaHazuki> i still think you've got some serious problems with some of the base assumptions you're using...
[00:02:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably. most everyone does.
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[00:03:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly your issue with me is i value liberty over security or comfort though. that's not something that can really be argued away because there is no objective truth there, so round and round we go.
[00:04:32] <AzumaHazuki> er...my issue with you is that from here it looks like you value your own liberty over everyone else's liberty, security, and/or comfort, and don't think too hard about what goes into your liverty
[00:04:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, my right to swing my fist ends where someone's nose begins, same as theirs.
[00:05:27] <AzumaHazuki> don't fall for the libertarian trap: fewer rules up front does not necessarily lead to more freedom for more people
[00:05:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll fight for that right for them same as i will for me though.
[00:06:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> add the rules only as necessary. don't default to oppression, carve out only the required bits of it.
[00:06:58] <AzumaHazuki> oh, i agree. but i also think you don't think "as many moves ahead" as i do, and tend to focus on yourself to the exclusion of others. this is what it looks like from here
[00:07:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> and argue like hell about whether each is necessary.
[00:07:36] <AzumaHazuki> take that "taxation is theft" meme you seem to like. in the most basic sense it is. what is the alternative? and, do any of those alternatives result in less theft?
[00:07:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not actually focusing on me. most of the liberties i argue for are irrelevant to me for the most part.
[00:08:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> the most basic sense is all i mean by that statement.
[00:08:29] <AzumaHazuki> it's not useful, then
[00:08:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is, just not as a full argument.
[00:08:52] <AzumaHazuki> in the most basic sense, metabolism is burning. we don't go around trying to drown ourselves to douse our mitochondria
[00:08:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> voluntary taxation, making the government earn its living, involuntary taxation where something MUST be done and everyone benefits.
[00:09:54] <AzumaHazuki> okay, so who decides what MUST be done and how? and given the variation in both wealth and temperament, leaving taxation "voluntary" is a recipe for disaster
[00:09:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> beyond that, i need to be convinced that the immorality of taking what is fundamentally not yours is outweighed by the good done or evil prevented.
[00:10:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> possibly, it's never actually been tried so we don't know for sure
[00:11:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not talking holding jerry's kids telethons to make the budget, i'm talking go ahead and tax things that are a choice rather than a fundamental necessity of life.
[00:11:40] <AzumaHazuki> some things don't need to be tried to get a good example. i've seen enough of human nature to know where that idea would go
[00:12:03] <AzumaHazuki> man, no wonder we clash so hard...we started from mostly the same base
[00:12:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> sin taxes are a good example of that.
[00:12:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're both exceedingly disagreeable and have poor manners about it as well.
[00:13:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not entirely certain voluntary taxation would work for the entire budget but i'd like to see it tried for at least a portion. and the waste and pork need to gtfo entirely.
[00:14:37] <AzumaHazuki> i never used to be "disagreeable" until a few years ago. seeing too many friends die broke something in me
[00:14:59] <AzumaHazuki> now i just don't give a fuck
[00:15:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not necessarily a negative trait, so don't sweat it. you can't get to the truth of things if you don't cut away the falsehood.
[00:15:41] <AzumaHazuki> what's the saying? In a world governed by lies, telling the truth is a radical act? I know dishonest people hate being exposed
[00:16:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> with the qualification that everyone is dishonest sometimes.
[00:17:05] <AzumaHazuki> PR flacks, career politicians, corporate rent-seekers, and those who inherited their wealth are the kind i have in mind here
[00:18:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> inheriting your wealth ain't any more a negative than inheriting your mom's eyes. it just means your parent worked hard to pass something on to you.
[00:18:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's often detrimental to your character but that's not a certainty.
[00:19:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> good scene in the old john wayne movie McLintok! that dealt with that.
[00:19:59] <AzumaHazuki> i disagree. we have far too many people born 5 feet from home plate who think they hit a grand slam and when they get into positions of power everything goes to hell
[00:20:17] <AzumaHazuki> like, for example, the president.
[00:20:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, see above about being detrimental to character
[00:20:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you don't go through the trials, you don't get to learn from them. there's the primary problem.
[00:22:12] <AzumaHazuki> it's almost a guarantee at this point that this kind of person won't learn. this country worships money
[00:22:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, we just let it think that to get it in bed.
[00:22:59] <AzumaHazuki> the corpses of my dead friends have something to say about that
[00:23:06] <AzumaHazuki> well, the spirits do. the corpses are long gone
[00:24:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's really not a guarantee any more than it's a guarantee you're going to grow up a spoiled little shit if you aren't disciplined as a child
[00:24:38] <AzumaHazuki> enough cases of it have happened to do for my friends
[00:24:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's likely but there are ways to avoid it
[00:25:13] <AzumaHazuki> when this is all over i'm going to buy a stick, a bag of marshmallows, and a day pass to hell. and i am going to find the people at fault. and i am going to roast said marshmallows over them.
[00:25:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> understood. i can empathize. i can't abandon reason though.
[00:25:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i wouldn't eat them. they'd taste like burnt ass.
[00:25:47] <AzumaHazuki> this is not abandoning reason. this is where you go off the rails: you haven't seen much of this in your day to day life, so it's not "real" to you
[00:25:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> because: actual burnt ass
[00:26:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, i've had plenty of pain. i can abandon reason when it's personal but it doesn't hit as hard when it's someone else.
[00:26:41] <AzumaHazuki> i've lost count of how many friends have died of violence or treatable disease because poverty. Sarah is almost certainly dead now, likely of drugs. Jackie is rotting from diabetes and Crohn's and poverty.
[00:27:09] <AzumaHazuki> for all that i've stopped 6 suicides, i don't know how many more i couldn't save
[00:27:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know exactly how many i couldn't save. one. my little brother.
[00:28:03] <AzumaHazuki> ...so you really ought to know better about some of the things you say. and yet still...arrrgh
[00:28:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> so i do understand what you're saying. i'm just saying empathy isn't as influential as first hand emotion.
[00:28:59] <AzumaHazuki> this, i believe, is where we differ. My ego is half-dead, partly due to a meditation accident in college but mostly due to trauma. in a way this is good since it lets me zoom out on the big picture
[00:29:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> believe it or not, i'm actually pro-choice on suicide. if the pain's really so bad you can't handle it anymore, do what you gotta do. you'll leave a lot of pain for other folks but we'll either deal or we won't, your limit is your limit.
[00:30:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's intellectually. emotions ain't interested in intellect though, so i gotta tell them to stfu whenever i talk about this.
[00:31:04] <AzumaHazuki> i'm not there yet. too many people are depending on me.
[00:31:29] <AzumaHazuki> plus, that will almost certainly get me booted back here for another reincarnation, and i'm sick to death of this idiotic mudball
[00:31:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was almost there for a good while. personally experiencing how much pain it causes others fixed that though. i'm not that big an asshole.
[00:32:35] * AzumaHazuki tactfully decides not to touch that one...
[00:33:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> well duh, you're a lesbian. i didn't expect you to go touching a guy's asshole.
[00:33:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's the other flavor of homosexual
[00:35:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> well damn. the dropkick murphys were back at cain's ballroom yesterday. was a pretty damn good show last time i saw them there.
[00:36:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, as much fun as this is ima start something compiling and go watch more buffy. season 2 for maximum nostalgia.
[01:25:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Break Digital Signatures for Most Desktop PDF Viewers - http://sylnt.us - jest-sine-hear
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[01:59:46] * Bytram *just* finished catching up on scrool back... very interesting read!!
[02:56:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Jedis Rejoice! Lightsabers can repel each other! - http://sylnt.us - now-try-it-near-a-10-Tesla-magnet
[04:37:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - USB 3.2 is Going to Make the Current USB Branding Even Worse - http://sylnt.us - clear-as-mud
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[06:15:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NIST Round 2 and Post-Quantum Cryptography, Parts 1-3 - http://sylnt.us - new-age-crypto
[06:53:34] <chromas> Post-quantum? We haven't even done quantum block chain yet
[06:54:15] <chromas> Or Schrödinger's Coin
[07:16:12] <FatPhil> wow, lots of overnight scrollback ...
[07:18:01] <FatPhil> Sulla's kids' "quiet zone" - yikes, so wrong. But worse, so *obviously* wrong.
[07:45:26] <FatPhil> and then the Az/Buzz exchange - very interesting indeed.
[07:46:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - An Arizona Cop Threatened to Arrest a 12-Year-Old Journalist -- She Wasn't Backing Down - http://sylnt.us - Get-Off-My-Lawn-Supplies
[08:02:01] <chromas> https://opensource.com
[08:02:04] <upstart> ^ 03Emoji-Log: A new way to write Git commit messages
[08:26:44] <FatPhil> https://medium.com
[08:26:45] <upstart> ^ 03If Every Debate About US Interventionism Was About Godzilla Instead
[08:40:36] <FatPhil> Why the FUCK is there a .network TLD?!?!?!
[08:50:08] <chromas> Because .net was taken
[09:22:26] <FatPhil> chromas++
[09:22:26] <Bender> karma - chromas: 244
[09:22:53] <FatPhil> thank you, you successfully defused my all-caps
[09:22:58] <FatPhil> "the elapsed time for the terabyte key genera-
[09:23:00] <FatPhil> tion was about four days
[09:23:14] <FatPhil> ^- the future of cryptography!
[09:23:45] <FatPhil> Just reading the "joke" DJB pqRSA paper. He's a card, that DJB.
[09:26:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Our Universe Could Emerge as a Hologram - http://sylnt.us - picture-this
[10:57:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Thunderbolt Enables Severe Security Threats - http://sylnt.us - you've-got-the-thunderclap
[12:07:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:07:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4624
[12:25:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Lawmakers Kick Off Debate Over Online Privacy - http://sylnt.us - wait-and-see-what-happens
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[15:26:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FTC Settles Its First Case Over Fake Paid Reviews On Amazon - http://sylnt.us - make-'em-pay
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[15:42:30] <Runaway1956__> #submit https://apnews.com
[15:42:30] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[15:42:40] <Runaway1956__> bahhhhhh
[15:43:34] <Runaway1956__> #submit https://apnews.com
[15:43:35] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[15:44:23] <Runaway1956__> #submit https://www.nola.com
[15:44:23] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[15:44:34] <Runaway1956__> Huh - go figure
[15:44:48] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[15:45:06] <FatPhil> ~gday Runaway1956__
[15:45:08] * exec derisively piles a FAT16 volume of false promises on Runaway1956__
[16:08:07] <Runaway1956__> lol - I missed that
[16:12:45] <FatPhil> Pay your patent royalties!
[16:57:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Beresheet Lander Bound For The Moon Hits Ctrl-Alt-Delete - http://sylnt.us - I'm-sorry-Dave,-I'm-afraid-I-can't-do-that<br/>Also-that's-a-BOFH-excuse-if-I-ever-heard-one
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[17:04:21] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.itnews.com.au
[17:04:24] <upstart> Submitting "Thunderbolt vulnerabilities leave computers wide-open"...
[17:04:28] <AzumaHazuki> remember when this happened with firewire?
[17:04:46] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[17:08:11] <AzumaHazuki> ah, i think someone got to this one before me
[17:14:47] <FatPhil> Yup, it's on the front page. I can delete it from the queue.
[17:37:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> SFW: https://scontent-mia3-2.xx.fbcdn.net
[17:38:07] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders off for a nap
[18:35:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Placebo has a Branding Problem - http://sylnt.us - dhmo
[18:59:51] <AzumaHazuki> i actually wrote some documentation for a new pharmacy tech about doing compounding that used the hypothetical medicine "bupkus acetate" LOL
[19:00:03] <AzumaHazuki> placebo by another name, with a slightly vinegar-y aftertaste
[19:05:52] <AzumaHazuki> speaking of vinegar...salad time
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[19:40:11] <FatPhil> "Copies of letters I wrote at Mr. Trump’s direction that threatened his high school, colleges, and the College Board not to release his grades or SAT scores."
[19:40:40] <fyngyrz> you thin k this will go anywhere? It'll definitely be a first if it does
[19:40:56] <FatPhil> Cohen's only got weak sauce.
[19:41:13] <FatPhil> But I am prepared to snigger at weak sauce.
[20:15:26] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[20:15:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's not public information. he's got every right in the world to threaten to sue over that.
[20:16:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Bunch of MWC 2019 Stories - http://sylnt.us - When-are-they-going-to-hold-one-in-Mobile-AL?
[20:22:51] <chromas> Married…With Children?
[20:25:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmm.... kelly
[20:26:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> the bundy creed: hooters, hooters, yum yum yum. hooters, hooters, on a girl that's dumb
[20:33:23] <FatPhil> I will confess to never having seen it :-/
[20:46:58] <FatPhil> I have a .flac, and a .cue - any ideas how I can create a set of individual tracks as .mp3/.ogg without burning a CD first?
[20:47:24] <FatPhil> i guess I could create a .iso as a file, and then mount it?
[20:48:33] <chromas> Foobar 2000 should do it
[20:50:55] <chromas> or if you linux https://wiki.archlinux.org
[20:50:57] <upstart> ^ 03CUE Splitting - ArchWiki
[20:50:59] <FatPhil> I'm in devuan
[20:52:03] <FatPhil> shntool is available
[20:52:55] <chromas> How about split2flac? I think it handles the wav conversion that shntool doesn't
[20:54:06] * chromas doesn't haz debian
[20:57:14] <FatPhil> looks like shntool can cope with flac as input natively, and "custom" output, so possibly a pipe through an external process...
[20:57:58] <FatPhil> -o 'cust ext=mp3 lame --quiet - %f' (create mp3 files using lame)
[21:03:12] <chromas> Not using Opus? REEEEEE
[21:04:49] <FatPhil> never heard of it, but currently reading about it
[21:05:13] <chromas> =yt al bundy fat jokes
[21:05:14] <upstart> https://youtube.com - Al Bundy's Best Insults (7:10)
[21:22:13] <FatPhil> Yup, there were a lot of fat jokes there.
[21:22:55] <FatPhil> I guess MWC was a decent stream of income for the non-traditionally attractive actresses in Hollywood.
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[21:31:40] <fyngyrz> Cohen's back on
[21:32:42] <AzumaHazuki> i hope it all comes out in the wash
[21:32:53] <AzumaHazuki> i want this entire administration jailed and/or hanged
[21:33:05] <fyngyrz> doubtful
[21:33:14] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, i know
[21:33:17] <fyngyrz> even that trump catches any real shit
[21:33:38] <AzumaHazuki> with any luck, someone even crazier than him shoots him or something...
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[21:57:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FBI: End-to-End Encryption Problem "Infects" Law Enforcement and Intelligence Community - http://sylnt.us - We-[want-to]-see-what-you-did-there
[22:00:01] <FatPhil> trump will use his bizarre version of jedi mind tricks to distract everyone from whatever cohen says
[22:00:28] <AzumaHazuki> you're probably right. and the worst part is, it's not that he has any actual skill; it's because his supporters are braindead
[22:00:40] <FatPhil> is someone tallying how many times he says "fake noos" per day?
[22:00:49] <AzumaHazuki> i feel like i've been living a nightmare since 2001 and it got way worse in 2016
[22:01:52] <FatPhil> there's a certain bizarro-land feeling - "is this *really* happening?" - for quite a while.
[22:02:45] <FatPhil> At least I'm lucky to be just a spectator for most of it. (OK, brexit might have some thorny aspects, but not for me yet)
[22:03:01] <AzumaHazuki> and there are people on this fucking website cheering him on. idiots. idiots, and worse than that, willfully deluded, shortsighted, self-serving idiots
[22:03:27] <AzumaHazuki> at this point i'm even beginning to wonder if i was too hard on Hillary Clinton
[22:04:33] <FatPhil> I will admit that when the D's try to pull something on the Trumpster, and they get hoist on their own petard, I do laugh.
[22:05:09] <AzumaHazuki> the democrats have spent the last 30 years turning themselves into republicans. i've no sympathy for most of them
[22:05:39] <AzumaHazuki> bill clinton will fry in hell for what he's done to the poor. 1996's "welfare reform" did more to damage poor people, especially the working poor, than anything any republican has done yet
[22:05:51] <FatPhil> Yup, they're exactly as swampy as the R's
[22:06:17] <AzumaHazuki> no they're not. not even close. that's the hell of it
[22:06:40] <AzumaHazuki> as horrible as the dems are, the republicans are an order of magnitude worse, and this is from someone who would gleefully stirng up over 80% of the dems with her own hands
[22:07:49] <FatPhil> OK, you're closer to it than me, obviously.
[22:08:29] <AzumaHazuki> you know the worst part? this is Nixon's fault, via Ford. If Ford hadn't pardoned him the office of the presidency would have retained some fucking accountability
[22:08:47] <AzumaHazuki> we were fucked back in the 70s. that was well over a decade before i was even born. my parents were teens
[22:09:18] <cmn32480> the D's ARE just as swampy as the R's
[22:09:31] <FatPhil> I just remember some documentary where a Dem conference clip was shown, and little bubbles appeared above people's heads showing how big the big-finance/-pharma/-agro bribes were, and they were huge.
[22:09:32] <cmn32480> they all care about keeping themselves in power adn keepiong it from the people
[22:09:53] <FatPhil> THe "venn diagrams" were possibly more D than R, if you remember them
[22:10:11] <cmn32480> hence the need for term limits.
[22:10:23] <FatPhil> The thing that is now annoying me the most about Clinton was https://en.wikipedia.org
[22:10:29] <upstart> ^ 03Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act - Wikipedia
[22:10:43] <FatPhil> he
[22:11:01] <AzumaHazuki> indeed. i have not forgotten or forgiven this
[22:11:18] <cmn32480> they are ALL shitheads.
[22:11:49] <AzumaHazuki> i would still rather have dealt with a D administration rather than an R. we wouldn't have the SCOTUS so fucked up
[22:12:02] <cmn32480> I disagree
[22:12:09] <AzumaHazuki> the SCOTUS represents a tremendous weakness in the US government, because a partisan infection there can last 50+ years
[22:12:42] <FatPhil> term limits on SCOTUS I think is an essential change that's needed.
[22:12:51] <cmn32480> while I am not thrilled with Trump, and I certainly don't agree with most of his methods, I think that he is a landslide better than Clinton woudl have been.
[22:13:18] <FatPhil> I'm looking for the US to implode, and I approve that statement.
[22:13:24] <cmn32480> but that is the point of SCOTUS... life time appointments are supposed to make it a long game.
[22:13:27] <AzumaHazuki> in vacuum maybe. it's everyone around him and what him as a president allows to happen
[22:14:00] <cmn32480> where politics are not supposed to enter into it.
[22:14:09] <FatPhil> "supposed to"
[22:14:22] <FatPhil> which is why they are appointed by people who are apolitical, amirite?
[22:14:33] <AzumaHazuki> like i said...big vulnerability
[22:15:15] <AzumaHazuki> Ginsburg has the shelf life of a bottle of milk in a faulty fridge. We're gonna get another Kavanaugh when she dies. that makes it a 7-2 lunatic split on the SCOTUS
[22:15:29] <cmn32480> 6-3
[22:15:37] <AzumaHazuki> we're going to have, at best, everything from marriage equality to the fucking Civil Rights Act, AT BEST, relegated to "states' rights issues."
[22:15:52] <cmn32480> Roberts will continue going toward the left
[22:16:02] <cmn32480> I don't think they will touch a lot of that.
[22:16:14] <AzumaHazuki> i fucking well hope so. and you mean "toward the center," not toward the left. this country has zero left wing to speak of
[22:16:29] <chromas> Right and left are relative
[22:16:39] <cmn32480> left of where he often sits... so yes, that woudl be closer to center
[22:16:43] <AzumaHazuki> yes, and relative to the civilized world, we ain't got a left wing
[22:16:44] <FatPhil> 4 justarses have explicitly said that they oppose RvW! One more, and that's a majority.
[22:17:01] <AzumaHazuki> Sanders is what any civilized person calls a centrist
[22:17:12] <AzumaHazuki> maybe Ocasio-Cortez is left-wing, but she's naive and young
[22:17:24] <FatPhil> very naive
[22:17:30] <cmn32480> and sanders is naive and old
[22:17:51] <FatPhil> sanders knows how an economy actually works
[22:18:26] <cmn32480> anyway... I'm going home.
[22:18:41] <cmn32480> you all have a nice evening
[22:18:46] <FatPhil> every time he opens his mouth people assert he's spouting socialist nonsense, but that's because he said a sentence with the word "social" in it, and idiots can't tell the difference.
[22:18:52] <FatPhil> you too
[22:19:00] <FatPhil> ~gnight cmn32480
[22:19:02] * exec inadequately penetrates a tarball of Boudreaux's Butt Paste with cmn32480
[22:19:29] <FatPhil> "penetrates", eh? will that summon Arik?
[22:19:45] * chromas sets everyone to monospace font
[22:20:03] <AzumaHazuki> ...isn't everything in monospace already? being it's irc and all
[22:20:10] <FatPhil> good luck reversing that in my irssi
[22:20:14] * chromas sets everyone using monospace font to proportional
[22:20:23] <FatPhil> chromas fails
[22:20:31] <AzumaHazuki> my terminal is set to Dejavu Sans Mono 9 already so...
[22:21:33] <FatPhil> I can't get my bloody xterms to use my choice of fonts by default, so I have no clue what I'm looking at.
[22:21:40] <chromas> So you guys can't tell the difference between an en dash – and an em dash —?
[22:22:11] <AzumaHazuki> FatPhil: try URxvt? i have a cute little .Xdefaults which makes it really useful and easy to use :)
[22:22:54] <FatPhil> I always have to just right-click to "TrueType Fonts" after it starts.
[22:23:14] <FatPhil> Alas my WM has hard-coded xterm to the shortest shortcut key
[22:23:44] <FatPhil> ("no config files, if you want to change the behaviour, rebuild modified source" mentality)
[22:25:00] <chromas> dwm?
[22:25:08] <FatPhil> However, theoretically my .Xdefaults should be selecting TTF.
[22:25:14] <FatPhil> yarp, DWM
[22:25:35] <AzumaHazuki> yeesh. suckless goes too far sometimes
[22:25:52] <chromas> >"dynamic"
[22:25:52] <chromas> >no configuration
[22:26:02] <FatPhil> Had it for 10 years, had a patched version for the first 5, then gave up the fight against the package management system
[22:26:31] <AzumaHazuki> there is, in a way, less of The Unix Way in dwm than some slightly more flexible systems
[22:26:37] <FatPhil> suckless are the rudest bunch of arrogant OSS twats you will ever hope not to meet, in my experience.
[22:27:44] <FatPhil> I asked "why does bizarro-behaviour X happen when I do Y", and I basically got a "You're an idiot for wanting X, and you're an idiot for even asking!" as a response.
[22:27:54] <FatPhil> *not
[22:28:03] <AzumaHazuki> oh goodie, another drive-through assburger's restaurant @_@
[22:28:59] <FatPhil> FOrtunately, I can code, so if I don't like X, I can just modify the source.
[22:29:28] <FatPhil> However, I consider X to be braindead, I thought it might be an oversight.
[22:29:41] <AzumaHazuki> https://pastebin.com <-- .Xdefaults for pretty URxvt :)
[22:29:42] <upstart> ^ 03[Bash] Xdefaults - Pastebin.com
[22:30:22] <AzumaHazuki> that little bit with the matcher extension also lets URxvt handle URLs and open 'em in Firefox on click
[22:30:24] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki==
[22:30:27] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki++
[22:30:27] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 2
[22:30:32] <FatPhil> (fricken' shift key)
[22:31:31] <FatPhil> I haven't get proven to myself that X is running my Xdefaults... I have currently 24 different but all arguably potentially correct lines that *might* enable TTF fonts, but none do.
[22:31:55] <AzumaHazuki> dumb question: is it marked executable?
[22:32:20] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki++
[22:32:20] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 3
[22:32:34] <FatPhil> that's a great question - and the answer's no! I'll change that now!
[22:32:53] <FatPhil> eww, but it's not executed
[22:32:54] <AzumaHazuki> it may not fix it. i swear sometimes things need +x and sometimes they don't, very same file
[22:33:19] <FatPhil> right, some late night drink and late night telly entz...
[22:33:39] <AzumaHazuki> ...also how come suckless hardcodes XTerm if they 1) have ST and 2) wrote a huge rant on how bad XTerm sucks on their site? *thinky-face_emote.png*
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[23:05:18] <FatPhil> I think the issue I had may have been with ST, I can't remember now.
[23:06:53] <AzumaHazuki> i found a fork of ST with transparency, BTW, and the Inconsolata font hardwired in
[23:07:12] <AzumaHazuki> still not going to get me off URxvt most likely (no tabs) but it's neat
[23:08:10] <FatPhil> I'm no fan of tabs presently, but that's because locally I use workspaces to have multiple terminal sessions
[23:08:46] <AzumaHazuki> ah, okay. I only use the one virtual desktop so having tabs in URxvt is really helpful to this workflow
[23:20:27] <FatPhil> OK, I think the suckless proggy I had an issue with was slock
[23:22:11] <FatPhil> i notice a git repo in my /usr/local/src, but no local changes to it
[23:22:43] <FatPhil> looking at a couple of the most recent commits, there are some pretty derpy programmers contributing to the project.
[23:23:21] <FatPhil> I don't mind arrogance (I'm arrogant myself), what I hate is dumb people who are arrogant...
[23:30:31] <AzumaHazuki> same...
[23:30:38] <AzumaHazuki> and there are so so many of them
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