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[23:58:45] <AzumaHazuki> so much awful shit has accreted around Buddhism. trying to find a "primitive Buddhism" is harder than finding "primitive Christianity"
[23:57:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> desire's a strong and useful motivator. it's responsible for everything bad in human history but it's also responsible for everything good, including attaining nirvana by any means other than accident.
[23:56:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> like ole sid the buddha. he worked up a pretty good system but the whole desire focus was flawed; too imprecise
[23:55:55] <AzumaHazuki> i try and only hold axioms that i'd need to assert in order to deny
[23:55:38] <AzumaHazuki> i am not sure "full on truth" is possible for us. but if anything that just makes me try harder. and start at the very lowest level, the axioms like the law of identity
[23:55:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nobody has managed full on truth yet. every attempt is either flawed or incomplete. gotta separate the wheat from the chaff yourself.
[23:54:02] <AzumaHazuki> er, primatologist*
[23:53:52] <AzumaHazuki> there's this really good book by a primatologize, Franz de Waal, called "Our Inner Ape." Gospel truth it ain't, but it shows morality being older than humanity, including social morality
[23:52:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmm... not precisely but i get your meaning
[23:51:00] <AzumaHazuki> so our "don't be a backstabbing shitgizzard" moral supervenes on a whole lot of other things: what kind of animal we are, what we evolved from, how to keep a coherent civilization...
[23:50:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> like betrayal is pretty much universally reviled, even by kids who can't talk yet.
[23:49:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> some of it's pretty fundamental and even a child with no ethical training at all instinctively knows. some of it's not.
[23:49:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but ought exists nowhere but between the ears of people.
[23:48:21] <AzumaHazuki> there's no such thing as glucose as a basic, first-order phenomenon either; it's all in the arrangement of C, H, and O. But glucose there is
[23:47:51] <AzumaHazuki> there don't need to be. i find most people have no grip on the ideas of supervenience or emergent behavior and this is where moral confusion comes from
[23:47:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're really right though. there is fundamentally no ought except what you choose. i mean other people may have opinions on it but there are no ought particles to be found in nature.
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[23:45:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> walmart
[23:45:22] <AzumaHazuki> like, where else are you supposed to get it...?
[23:45:15] <AzumaHazuki> morals are grounded externally, so past a certain point it's really not what one wishes. i've always been puzzled by people saying you can't get ought from is
[23:44:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> along with whatever ethical/moral traits you wish to embody.
[23:44:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a value judgment each time it comes up.
[23:43:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure. you gotta be willing to take the consequences of your actions if you break them.
[23:43:16] <AzumaHazuki> that's true, of course, but there's a little more to it than that
[23:43:05] <AzumaHazuki> and there you have remained eeeeeeever since :D
[23:41:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was obedient, if not cheerfully so, up until i hit sixteen or so. then i realized that rules aren't fundamental laws of nature, they're just what another person just like you is telling you to do.
[23:41:51] <Sulla> I dunno I was pretty much just agreeable. The most rebellious thing I ever did was make brownies at midnight when I was in my early 20s in college and my best friend and I realized we were adults and could do whatever we wanted. Note: Brownies were normal unlaced, undrugged, brownies
[23:40:16] <AzumaHazuki> my sister, on the other hand, good grief
[23:40:00] <AzumaHazuki> i was the obedient one, generally. fat lot of good that did
[23:39:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> not me. i complained my ass off. i did what they asked though.
[23:38:36] <Sulla> But when i was a kid I just did whatever my parents asked without complaint, because I had no reason not to
[23:38:16] <Sulla> didn't like the kids i knew in high school that wouldn't help their parents with anything without some form of payment
[23:37:53] <Sulla> really agree about the not rewards for everything though
[23:37:51] <chromas> exec did the sub
[23:36:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> well #submit works as well. and =submit is chromas's bot.
[23:36:42] <AzumaHazuki> huh, me? outwardly no, because i just kept quiet after third grade or so
[23:36:26] * MrPlow smakes TheMightyBuzzard upside the head with vegan jizz. made from bean curd.
[23:36:26] <exec> #smake TheMightyBuzzard
[23:35:40] * MrPlow smakes exec upside the head with a sock full of oranges
[23:35:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake exec
[23:35:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> Sulla, nice
[23:35:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> you've always scored way towards the far end of the disagreeability axis then too, eh?
[23:34:46] <Sulla> I forget what my kid wanted the other day, told him he had to answer 30 white board addition questiosn correct first
[23:34:40] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[23:34:32] * AzumaHazuki pokes the submission bot with letter opener
[23:34:11] <Sulla> I rarely give rewards, typically they have to ask that they really want something that is typically not allowed, or ask for a longer-term goal, and ill make them do something to get it.
[23:34:05] <AzumaHazuki> ~submit https://arstechnica.com
[23:32:23] <AzumaHazuki> eh, on the other hand, learning "no heroes" in early elementary school might be good
[23:32:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i hate bribing kids. making them earn something they're asking for is fine but if you have to give them something every time you want them to obey you, you done fucked up bad.
[23:31:45] <Sulla> thats just treachery
[23:31:00] <Sulla> Something I hate is the parents that tell their kids they get (specific reward) in exchange for (specific behavior) then don't do it or pull back from the full reward for whatever reason
[23:30:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> can you even imagine that dumbass trying to teach shakespeare?
[23:30:00] <AzumaHazuki> hell, i was 6 years old when i realized most adults were so full of shit their shoes squelched when they walk
[23:29:50] <Sulla> Yeah
[23:29:40] <AzumaHazuki> when they're wrong and double down on it and pull rank
[23:29:32] <AzumaHazuki> that shit is the best way to get kids not to trust adults
[23:29:16] <Sulla> hah
[23:29:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> highschool english
[23:28:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i had an english teacher that sent someone to the office for correcting him when he told everyone that bilingual meant you can't speak english.
[23:28:46] <Sulla> 3 kids will set me back ~15-24k/year for the next 12 years
[23:28:13] <Sulla> west coast is a hell hole
[23:28:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> that ain't no shit
[23:28:00] <Sulla> gotta afford private school
[23:27:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> seems pointless
[23:27:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> why do you need money if you don't have to spend it on a boat and fishing gear though?
[23:26:55] <Sulla> But made a lot of money renting out cars to people who do
[23:26:42] <Sulla> Lived up there 10 years and never went fishing
[23:26:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> sposed to be amazing fishing in alaska
[23:26:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> neato
[23:25:52] <Sulla> Hah. i figure ill get them into fishing as soon as I have some free time. working out a business deal to buy a small business in anchorage and restoring my house
[23:25:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> my folks did that with me. really wish they hadn't. until i learned zen fishing, i was pretty miserable being able to see the stupid all around me.
[23:24:30] <Sulla> Figure i should get them all sorted out before common core
[23:24:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, nod nod.
[23:24:06] <Sulla> Just whenever they seem to be able to hold attention
[23:23:54] <Sulla> I'm pretty lax about it to keep interest up
[23:23:47] <Sulla> Just turned four and can do addition and subtraction with numbers less than 15 and also adding more than three numbers using their head isntead of fingers
[23:23:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> teaching or butt chewing?
[23:23:10] <Sulla> true that. been really hounding them on math recently
[23:22:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> continue on as you are but talk to them about it when they're old enough to grok what you're saying.
[23:22:07] <Sulla> Not sure about what it will do long-term for their obedience to authority though, not sure I like raising people okay with the establishment
[23:22:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... i can either start the rehash portion of the install now and not even get much progress made before bed or i can go back to watching buffy
[23:21:39] <Sulla> I do what works, and that worked quite well
[23:21:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're evil. i like it.
[23:20:56] <Sulla> problem solved
[23:20:48] <Sulla> luckily the guy went along and was telling them that they should be arrested
[23:20:32] <Sulla> drove until I found a cop walking around downtown and asked him if what they did was illegal
[23:20:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha!
[23:20:19] <Sulla> entire time "where we going daddy?" with response of "your new home"
[23:20:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth. adhd boy vs extremely eager to please and social girl in the house here.
[23:20:04] <Sulla> So I told them to get in the car
[23:19:53] <Sulla> Other day I found my boys playing with some steak knives
[23:19:21] <Sulla> Depends completely on the kid too
[23:19:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> when warranted anyway. generally the speech is enough.
[23:18:38] <Sulla> Haha
[23:18:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> well yeah, spanking doesn't make a great punishment by itself but it makes excellent punctuation for the "i'm so disappointed in you" speech
[23:17:44] <Sulla> In general I try to avoid it as much as possible. My kids are pretty easy to negotiate/explain problems to and they knock it out and do not repeat, but it comestimes take a time or two of doing the wrong thing before they figure out I don't deem it acceptable
[23:17:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> the trend line from effective to ineffective continues like this we'll have to start handing out candy and fireworks as punishment soon
[23:16:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> whereas getting your ass spanked is nearly universally to be avoided at that age
[23:14:41] <Sulla> very much enforcing the negative
[23:14:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh
[23:14:34] <Sulla> They have a "quiet zone" instead of "timeout". My kid is an introvert like me, so will act up as much as possible to get into the quiet zone where he gets headphones to listen to music and toys to play with on his own
[23:13:59] <Sulla> I've been pretty happy with how the kids are doing so far. Other than toward eachother they express no violent tendencies toward their classmates. Although my kids are not doing so well in the modern classroom.
[23:11:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Sulla, you don't need to worry about teaching your kids violence. it comes natural to them. teaching them to only use it appropriately is another matter though.
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[23:08:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, that's very nearly an outstanding pickup. ditch the extended cab and make it an eight foot bed and you've very nearly got the perfect non-work truck.
[22:50:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> nope
[22:49:56] <FatPhil> any furry dice?
[22:49:43] <Sulla> thanks
[22:49:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> Sulla: sorry, got distracted as soon as I got home. The Ranger's an '04, extended cab, 6-foot bed, 3.0L V6, auto transmission.
[22:47:03] <FatPhil> big fan of polish/lithuanian mead, so hopefully these are also good.
[22:46:08] <upstart> ^ 03Collection "The best of Czech & Slovak mead" (+ 2 bonuses) - Mead museum
[22:46:04] <FatPhil> time to start tucking into today's delivery: https://eshop.meadmuseum.com
[22:35:27] <Sulla> Should have put it off longer
[22:34:29] <FatPhil> well, that was far too easy
[22:28:59] <FatPhil> probably time to fix the bug I realised I had about 16 hours ago...
[22:28:36] <fyngyrz> afk
[22:28:07] <FatPhil> I'm older than Collosal Cave, but younger than the PDP-10 it ran on.
[22:25:39] * Sulla save more often
[22:24:56] <fyngyrz> I was 20 when he wrote this
[22:24:17] <fyngyrz> I supply a late 1970's version with my 6809 emulator - built from the 6800 code
[22:23:36] <fyngyrz> oh yeah
[22:23:30] * Sulla 1989
[22:22:23] <fyngyrz> 1975...1977
[22:22:08] <fyngyrz> ha
[22:21:37] <Sulla> i think that game is older than me
[22:18:35] <fyngyrz> yeah, colossal caves
[22:18:00] <fyngyrz> Plugh. And stuff. Maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
[22:17:31] <fyngyrz> Adventure
[22:17:21] <FatPhil> colossal caves?
[22:17:06] <fyngyrz> points if you know what that is
[22:16:58] <fyngyrz> "XYZZY"
[22:16:44] <Sulla> gotta beat pitfall on the nes
[22:16:38] <Sulla> I'm gonna make em start from the beginning
[22:16:31] <Sulla> I got skyrim running again and my kids enjoyed watching dragons, but the violence is probably a bad idea
[22:16:26] <FatPhil> when you've got 7 year old twins, they'll be wanting to kick your ass at some game or other, I'm sure.
[22:16:24] <fyngyrz> there's always the xboxen and the like
[22:16:06] <fyngyrz> yup, that can definitely alter your prospects
[22:15:50] <Sulla> but with four year old twins and a one year old, i don't see a future where its possible
[22:15:43] <fyngyrz> GPU is more important there these days
[22:15:33] <Sulla> Someday I want to play video games again
[22:15:19] <fyngyrz> if you don't need it, why bother?
[22:15:12] <Sulla> don't see myself upgrading
[22:15:06] <fyngyrz> I was pretty put off by the newer trashcan mac pros, so I've not upgraded. Hoping they'll step back to the good tower, but am not optimistic
[22:14:57] <Sulla> My personal desktop is still a core2duo
[22:14:52] <FatPhil> Yeah, now I've seen as fast as I need, I'm looking for the watts to go down - I'm trying to be fanless from now on
[22:14:05] <fyngyrz> mine is an "old" processor as well, but it sure feels fast to me
[22:13:31] <fyngyrz> looooota code
[22:13:26] <fyngyrz> my SDR app is a decent size build
[22:13:08] <FatPhil> used to be a kernel dev, don't need builds that big any more, thanks.
[22:13:08] <fyngyrz> I run a 2 x 2.93 GHz 6-Core Xeon... so 12 FP cores, 24 threads
[22:12:48] <fyngyrz> You need bigger builds, that's all. :)
[22:12:23] <FatPhil> i will admit that once i7 hit laptops I felt that that was as much power as I would ever need in a laptop. If builds got any quicker, I'd not have time to make a cup of tea
[22:12:12] <fyngyrz> They're really quite capable, too
[22:11:01] <Sulla> I was recently handed a list of tech stuff that we retired here at the city after their 10 year life and was expremely surprised to see a lot of the i5/i7 series being retired. I was surprised to realize they are a decade old now
[22:10:58] <FatPhil> Although of course, I'm ssh'ed into my RasPi for my tmux session full of irssis
[22:09:59] * FatPhil keeps quiet about his celeron...
[22:07:06] <AzumaHazuki> ah, gentoo...i miss it so, but an i5-4200U does not have the grunt to compile things in a reasonable timeframe
[22:05:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Firefox OS Lives on as KaiOS, Which Now Runs on Over 80 Million Devices - http://sylnt.us - but-does-it-support-6G?
[22:00:14] <fyngyrz> Normally (via rust) takes about ten minutes to build... takes about two w/SSD
[21:59:50] <fyngyrz> cut the build time on my SDR software quite a bit
[21:59:27] <fyngyrz> SSDs reduce the pain considerably
[21:59:03] <fyngyrz> ttyl
[21:58:45] * TheMightyBuzzard buggers off for an early dinner and some buffy while he runs yet another tedious round of gentoo compiling
[21:56:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> not quite as effective as sitting down and doing the wormy dog scoot but more entertaining to observers
[21:56:37] <fyngyrz> very important bonus
[21:55:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least when you have a teenager along to embarrass the shit out of
[21:55:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> although doing the Thriller dance in walmart is also fun.
[21:54:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> for actin a fool dancing? i'd prolly go jlo or... wait... no... MC Fucking Hammer FTW!
[21:54:17] * fyngyrz is musician
[21:54:05] * Sulla doesn't into music at all
[21:53:45] <fyngyrz> lol. I lean towards Satriani, myself
[21:53:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably someone else. kid rock lends himself to moshing or slow dancing more than old club dances.
[21:52:42] <fyngyrz> to Kid Rock, no less. :)
[21:52:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're folks who genuinely don't get that me going out in the front yard and doing the cabbage patch or the running man is every bit as much an authentic indian dance as anything they do.
[21:51:57] * fyngyrz king of typos
[21:51:55] <Sulla> I in general don't care how many people come here as long as they provide something to society
[21:51:50] <fyngyrz> sulla. hilarious
[21:51:41] <fyngyrz> omg sully, that's both hilarioius and true
[21:51:21] <fyngyrz> TMB, ditto
[21:50:42] <Sulla> Some folks are just doing their substiance thing with the historical snowmobile and shotgun of their tribes and then some bro with a cesna and a hundred gallons of firewater ruins a bunch o f lives
[21:50:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> and for the record, i'm just as much in favor of indians assimilating to current us culture as i am any type of immigrant. trying to wind back the clock a couple hundred years towards the past in exchange for handouts is no way to live a life.
[21:50:18] <fyngyrz> the collision does it, because those societies are fragile
[21:49:50] <Sulla> From what I have seen of the tribes in Alaska the outside influences are what does the damage
[21:49:19] <fyngyrz> racist. Sigh.
[21:49:08] <fyngyrz> I'm not in any way racists. But I will stand firm that certain types of _social groups_ are entirely worthy of that level of disdain. The res life I'm familiar with... pretty much that. Navaho excepted.
[21:48:20] <Sulla> I'm okay with that trade
[21:47:47] * TheMightyBuzzard is indian and has yet to meet anyone who's been on a res
[21:47:42] <fyngyrz> plenty
[21:47:38] <fyngyrz> But if it's indians you're concerned about, Montana has penty too
[21:47:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> what you do is you give them the anti-vaxers' former houses
[21:47:04] <fyngyrz> I am intimately familiar with the res folk here
[21:46:29] <fyngyrz> Honestly, I don't care
[21:46:18] <fyngyrz> I've gone a couple times on my bike (before I sold it) and the only worthwhile thing was the concert
[21:46:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but you'd be plaguing the shit out of the sioux for the gerzillionth time
[21:45:55] <fyngyrz> Sturgis
[21:45:28] <fyngyrz> it'd just be temporary. In a few years, they'd all be dead. :) Then you can have your stoned prezzzies back. Also, Stugis is mostly old corporate guys now.
[21:44:31] <fyngyrz> besides...
[21:44:26] <fyngyrz> MOntana has far more to recommend ithan either of the dakotas
[21:44:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, montana. more unpopulated area and no national monuments like mt rushmore or sturgis
[21:44:00] <fyngyrz> just give us time to get the cats and dogs out first
[21:43:46] <fyngyrz> rule #1: if it moves, you can shoot at it
[21:43:27] <fyngyrz> put all the hunters in there too, while you're at it. VERY high walls. :)
[21:43:01] <fyngyrz> I volunteer the dakotas
[21:42:50] <fyngyrz> indeed
[21:41:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'd be nice if they had the manners to all move to one area so the rest of us could avoid them while they all die of chronic idiocy
[21:40:01] <fyngyrz> good parenting
[21:39:01] <Sulla> When my kids were born, the docotors who came in to talk about vaccines were all ginger and cautious like they expected to get yelled at, I told em to calm down and give us the full battery
[21:38:16] <Sulla> Saw that Oregon (specifically the I5 corridor) might have up to 10% of kids not vaxed
[21:38:06] <fyngyrz> good for you
[21:37:46] <Sulla> My kid turns one next month, can hopefully get him the MMR in time
[21:37:03] <fyngyrz> k, cool
[21:36:56] <fyngyrz> and because vaccination isn't 100% effective, it also "evolves away" others
[21:36:39] <Sulla> thanks, im just lurking as i push papers
[21:36:24] <fyngyrz> unfortunately, it also "evolves away" people who simply can't be vaccinated - allergies, etc.
[21:36:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> have to get rid of the stupidity genes before that can happen
[21:35:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's just humanity evolving away stupidity
[21:34:47] <fyngyrz> My mom had polio... spent two years in an iron lung and came out with one leg shorter than the other. Fucking anti-vaxxers make me see red
[21:33:03] <upstart> ^ 03Solar stand front
[21:33:01] <fyngyrz> https://www.flickr.com
[21:33:00] <fyngyrz> Sulla, in case you come back and read, here's the panel that supports all that:
[21:32:09] <fyngyrz> oy
[21:32:00] <fyngyrz> it's a psychobabble phrase "subject is not well oriented as to time"
[21:31:44] <FatPhil> or you could become anti-vax, and reintroduce polio!
[21:31:22] <fyngyrz> yeah
[21:31:21] <fyngyrz> lol
[21:31:21] <FatPhil> the best orientation to take
[21:31:19] <fyngyrz> oh, time
[21:31:14] <fyngyrz> forwards?
[21:31:01] <FatPhil> fyngyrz: I recommend forwards
[21:30:56] * Sulla afk
[21:30:51] <Sulla> Was about to start down the rabbit hole on how to maintain a lead-acid battery for as long as possible, but really should get back to work.
[21:29:35] * fyngyrz is not well oriented as to time
[21:29:25] <fyngyrz> I thinnk it's been four years now
[21:29:16] <Sulla> nice
[21:29:11] <fyngyrz> I thought I'd be replacing the battery every year... but no
[21:29:10] <Sulla> It seems to be the way of the future. Going to be rebuilding my roof in the next couple of years and need to look into solar
[21:28:51] <fyngyrz> that controller has also kept a lead acid battery happy for years now - great maintenance algorithms
[21:28:12] <fyngyrz> I'm a huge fan of solar
[21:28:09] <Sulla> converted everything I can change to LEDs
[21:27:45] <fyngyrz> all the lights are 12v LEDs
[21:27:43] <Sulla> nice setup
[21:27:06] <fyngyrz> solar controller is on the right, blue LCD display
[21:26:47] <upstart> ^ 03Ready for Field Day - or the apocalypse, lol
[21:26:46] <fyngyrz> https://www.flickr.com
[21:26:44] <Sulla> good to know
[21:26:30] <fyngyrz> that's how my ham shack runs - fixed panel
[21:26:19] <fyngyrz> well, I'd aim em permanently so they were at about 35º where I parked, and aimed at the noon point
[21:26:09] <Sulla> I've wanted to go alternative for my house but wasn't sure about how much benefit I would get
[21:25:56] <Sulla> Yeah
[21:25:47] <fyngyrz> pretty high.
[21:25:42] <Sulla> Oregon
[21:25:30] <fyngyrz> or jsut, what state?
[21:25:22] <fyngyrz> what's your latitude?
[21:24:11] <Sulla> Interestring. Plus if mounted on a vanagon with the poptop can direct toward sun, to some extent
[21:23:41] <fyngyrz> negligable
[21:23:31] <Sulla> how much do solar panels weigh?
[21:23:14] <fyngyrz> my ham shack is all solar, no AC out there at all. Never a problem. But the system is small in comparison.
[21:22:52] <fyngyrz> where I live, I'm pretty sure I'd never have to plug an EV in at all if I had a roof / bed full of solar panels
[21:22:23] <fyngyrz> short run, low use
[21:22:16] <fyngyrz> plus you have lots of roof space. For short run vehicl4es, some solar panels are a really nice addition
[21:21:34] <Sulla> Seeing as replacement engines run 4-5k and only give 86hp
[21:21:19] <Sulla> I have an '86 vanagon thats motor just blew. Might be cheaper to replace the RWD with two of these and some batteries in the empty engine compartment
[21:19:36] <Sulla> so good progress
[21:19:34] <Sulla> When I looked a couple of years ago similar products were 20k
[21:19:19] <Sulla> Not right now im not good with that, but that doesn't make them cool
[21:17:01] <fyngyrz> "pickup bed battery"
[21:16:52] <fyngyrz> 32kw power source. :)
[21:16:33] <fyngyrz> 4 of 'em is about 10k. Your budget good with that?
[21:08:20] <upstart> ^ 03High Efficiency dual 8000W 273 50H V3 electric car hub motor conversion kits | QSMOTOR
[21:08:19] <Sulla> is pretty cool
[21:08:16] <Sulla> http://www.cnqsmotor.com
[21:06:44] <fyngyrz> driving their fucking bagel barges
[21:06:22] <fyngyrz> watch out for old people. They got me TWICE in south Florida
[21:05:55] <Sulla> ranger*
[21:05:46] <Sulla> What year is the explorer?
[21:05:44] <fyngyrz> must be a bunch out there
[21:05:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> Anyway, off the drive the Ranger through the rain to home. Hopefully I don't spin out on a patch of oil. (Florida. We get no snow.)
[21:05:34] <fyngyrz> I'd hunt for kits. Or even a lower chassis on a 4x4 version
[21:05:14] <Sulla> thus why i would rather convert than buy again and take a gamble
[21:05:06] <Sulla> I loved everything about mine, past few days introduced doubt into the situation. It is a real shame because based on how its operated so far I see no reason why it wouldn't last 200k without issues.
[21:05:04] <fyngyrz> generally, if it runs, it's good for a grand at least
[21:04:39] <fyngyrz> yes, that's a win
[21:04:38] <Sulla> Rangers are great
[21:04:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> But hey, the Ranger was $20, the fuel pump I had to replace was like $150, and that plus a handful of oil changes is all I've sunk into that vehicle, so it might be fun if I ever money for it.
[21:04:28] * fyngyrz loves his truck
[21:04:06] <Sulla> Yeah. My former truck (now my dads) is what finally got me out of someone elses driveway
[21:03:47] <fyngyrz> yes, definitely\
[21:03:38] <fyngyrz> There's 2 ft of snow outside here right now, and my 3/4 ton 4x4 basically ignores it
[21:03:35] <Sulla> thats a shame
[21:03:22] <Sulla> So i take it electric cars have all sorts of being sealed well?
[21:03:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> I looked at what it would take to go to 4wd for a Ranger a while back. General consensus on the interwebs was "that's so much work you're better off just buying a different truck" - I'm not sure that's true for an F150 as well, though.
[21:02:57] <fyngyrz> ouch :)
[21:02:48] <Sulla> My wondreful, loving, awesome wife drove by, rolled her window down, and said i should have got a 4x4 before leaving me there to go to work
[21:02:14] <fyngyrz> well, just so you know, (a) electric motors get hot and (b) they hate water... snowmelt
[21:02:06] <Sulla> Spent six hours yesterday digging my truck out of snow, in the suburbs, three houses from my own house
[21:01:34] <Sulla> Its a lot of despiration in not wanting to buy a different truck after how extremely mine failed in this winters weather
[21:01:33] <fyngyrz> hm. I think you're gonna need another vehicle for the duration. :)
[21:01:03] <Sulla> or mad skil
[21:01:01] <fyngyrz> is there a kit or something? Or is this seat of the pants?
[21:00:58] <Sulla> nope, would require much very research
[21:00:46] <fyngyrz> (hub motors)
[21:00:37] <fyngyrz> do you have a means to synch up the speeds?
[21:00:16] * fyngyrz may have aggression problems
[21:00:08] <Sulla> Czech troop transports are like 30k
[20:59:56] * fyngyrz "just a flesh wound!"
[20:59:48] * fyngyrz "so sorry"
[20:59:36] * fyngyrz has always wanted a tank to go grocery shopping in... drive right over the other cars. "excuse me, excuse me"
[20:59:25] <Sulla> I was considering going partial electric. Convert frontend using the inhub electric motors
[20:58:47] <fyngyrz> Besides, you could put TREADS on it. :)
[20:58:15] <fyngyrz> that one sorta depends on your skills, your tool collection, and whether or not you have access to good lift. If you try to do this with the truck on blocks, I can't see how that could _ever_ be fun
[20:56:08] <Sulla> Thats pretty reasonable. In general anymore I repair everything to keep one fewer item from ending up in the landfill. Trying to decide how much I will hate my life (will it be fun?) converting my 2016 f150 to 4wd from 2wd
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[20:45:27] <fyngyrz> No more rust for me
[20:45:12] <fyngyrz> plus, for me, it's "replace with SSD" which is always fun
[20:44:50] <fyngyrz> some things are so easy... like, HD dies? Throw it out, get another. I wouldn't junk the computer over that. :)
[20:44:00] <fyngyrz> Phone screen? Junk it, get a new one
[20:43:47] <fyngyrz> Fender tube amp? Fix.
[20:43:27] <fyngyrz> no == buy another
[20:43:10] <fyngyrz> "will it be fun?"
[20:42:52] <Sulla> What are the limits to fixing stuff that is broken instead of buying new, in your opinions. What makes you replace the product instead of spending the time to repair?
[20:38:17] * chromas tries to create a circular dependency
[20:37:24] <chromas> Great idea!
[20:30:26] <fyngyrz> putcher swap volume onto a ramdisk :)
[20:18:25] <AzumaHazuki> meh, i keep a little around Just In Case (TM)
[20:17:43] <chromas> According to the internets, swapoff's implementation is retarded but it's unused enough to not warrant some love
[20:11:19] * chromas uses his for reference all the time
[20:10:57] <chromas> Wait but appendices still do stuff
[20:10:19] <Bender> karma - linux: 3
[20:10:19] <chromas> linux--
[20:10:17] <chromas> RAM can push like 140GB/s; HDD can do at least 60. It's swapping in at around 2 or 3 MB/s
[20:08:27] <fyngyrz> For modern personal systems with reasonable amounts of ram, swap is like our appendix or coccyx - vestigial, and causes more trouble than it's worth.
[20:06:18] * chromas swap swap swap
[20:06:14] * chromas speeds up the swap-in by toggling it
[20:04:59] <chromas> I only enabled swap in hopes it would help in spergouts but it dindu nuffin
[20:03:54] <chromas> I was just opening a 71 kilobyte svg and Karbon (which is installed for whatever reason) needed a mountain of gigabytes for it
[20:03:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> Don't think it's touched swap since then... and my home system (having 16GB of RAM) generally doesn't hit it either, even though I've got swap enabled there as well.
[20:03:25] <chromas> Was it perl 6? :D
[20:02:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> I actually had to enable swap on my VPS to get some Perl/CPAN thing to install (I forget what now)
[19:59:25] <chromas> In Linux, swap actually makes things work when a program randomly spazzes out and hogs all the memory. With swap, even after the program gets killed 3 hours later, it still takes 45 minutes to swap other stuff back to ram
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[18:04:53] <chromas> Kids need options too!
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[17:38:43] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[17:38:21] <upstart> Submitting "Supermicro hardware weaknesses let researchers backdoor an IBM cloud server"...
[17:38:19] <SoyCow1984> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[17:37:07] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[17:36:45] <upstart> Submitting "String of ions may out-compute best quantum computers"...
[17:36:44] <SoyCow1984> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[17:35:36] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[17:35:15] <upstart> Submitting "Hacker steals $7.7 million in EOS cryptocurrency after blacklist snafu | ZDNet"...
[17:35:12] <SoyCow1984> =submit https://www.zdnet.com
[17:33:41] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[17:33:19] <upstart> Submitting "Researchers break digital signatures for most desktop PDF viewers | ZDNet"...
[17:33:16] <SoyCow1984> =submit https://www.zdnet.com
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[16:45:10] <chromas> Are you a Sovereign Citizen™?
[16:44:04] <Sulla> cooldown period between posts is annoying. am I being detained?
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[14:41:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah man, i forgot how much fun installing a gentoo system from scratch can be.
[14:11:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, can't accurately pigeonhole him. he took rap, hip-hop, r&b, soul, a bunch of styles of rock, blues, country, and mixed them all into what's very likely the most definitively american music style there's ever been.
[14:09:20] <FatPhil> is that what the kids are calling rednecks nowadays?
[14:04:55] * TheMightyBuzzard can't hear irc being noisy this morning on account of kid rock being an american badass from his speakers
[14:04:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think we both won that one
[14:03:52] * exec irreducibly violates a buzzfeed list of hotsauce with FatPhil
[14:03:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday FatPhil
[14:01:07] * exec figuratively gives a photograph of naked women & beer to TheMightyBuzzard
[14:01:05] <FatPhil> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[13:59:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4623
[13:59:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:59:11] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[13:59:11] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[13:34:24] <Bytram> time for work...have a great day everybody!
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[13:15:35] <chromas> Wasn't MoonChild the mom from the Neverending Story?
[12:40:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> The problem is that then links clicked from external programs won't open in an instance of Pale Moon started with that option.
[12:39:29] <upstart> ^ 03Pale Moon Official Branding Violation · Issue #86 · jasperla/openbsd-wip
[12:39:27] <boru> MoonChild was being a total twat here as well: https://github.com
[12:39:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> did you know that the --no-remote option lets you run multiple profiles simultaneously?
[12:38:48] * AndyTheAbsurd starts up another Pale Moon instance
[12:38:11] <boru> Or was it openbsd...
[12:37:52] <boru> The exchange between him and the netbsd port maintainers was very entertaining.
[12:37:28] <boru> Yeah, he's an absolute bellend.
[12:37:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> MoonChild's okay (even if I sometimes disagree with his decisions); Tobin's an asshole and his presence is detrimental to the Pale Moon project as a whole.
[12:07:23] <FatPhil> I may hate it, but occasionally I need it
[11:52:03] <FatPhil> sigh... /me fires up firefox for the redash business analytics page he needs to answer a question...
[11:51:47] <chromas> NCommander makes an 'appearance'
[11:51:39] <upstart> ^ 03NeXT Station | When Steve Jobs left Apple - Part 2
[11:51:38] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[11:51:37] <chromas> neat
[11:41:47] <FatPhil> And I pinned it, because they made exactly the same dumb user-hating decisions that made me leave firefox and get palemoon in the first place
[11:41:12] <Bender> karma - palemoon: 2
[11:41:12] <FatPhil> palemoon-- now
[11:41:05] <FatPhil> Ah, I pinned my version about a year ago
[11:40:48] <boru> You obviously don't know the palemoon developers...
[11:40:36] <Bender> karma - palemoon: 3
[11:40:36] <FatPhil> palemoon++
[11:40:27] <FatPhil> but the forks don't all inherit all the same bad traits
[11:39:56] <Bender> karma - mozilla: -1
[11:39:56] <boru> mozilla-- morelike.
[11:39:22] <Bender> karma - firefox: -19
[11:39:21] <FatPhil> firefox--
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[11:06:53] <chromas> Anyhow, they still lied about restoring muh tabs. Specifically, the ones with the update notice are blank tabs with no history
[11:06:22] <chromas> Probably. There's no option in Preferences but it's enabled in about:config, which is dumb because I'm on Linux
[11:04:22] <Bytram> chromas: you prolly had the "Check automatically and update" toggle activated. /me assumes there still is such a thing.
[10:08:05] <chromas> Thanks Obama
[10:08:00] <chromas> But the tabs weren't restored
[10:07:55] <chromas> "We have just installed an update in the background. Click Restart Firefox to finish applying it. We will restore all your pages, windows and tabs afterwards, so you can be on your way quickly."
[10:07:55] <chromas> Just minding my own business when suddenly some (but not all for some reason) tabs start turing into update notices:
[10:06:27] <Bender> karma - firefox: -18
[10:06:27] <chromas> firefox--
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