#Soylent | Logs for 2019-02-26

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[00:47:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wild Carnivores Stage a Comeback in Britain - http://sylnt.us - luckily-there's-anti-rabies-vaccines
[02:17:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ICANN Calls For DNSSEC Deployment For All Unsecured Domains Following Domain Hijacking Attempts - http://sylnt.us - vaccines.ltd
[03:25:08] <Runaway1956__> Oh, wow, I've been connected for hours without interruption. Hope my ISP doesn't find out!
[03:46:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Often Do People Have Sex? - http://sylnt.us - anti-babies-vaccines
[05:16:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - LG G8 Can Unlock by Scanning the Veins in your Hand - http://sylnt.us - vaccines-go-into-veins
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[06:47:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Physicists Just Solved a 35-Year-Old Mystery Hidden Inside Atomic Cores - http://sylnt.us - when-a-core-is-a-core?
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[08:27:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Some Quebec Elementary Schools Experiment with Letting Kids Play Rough - http://sylnt.us - masculinity-is-not-toxic
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[09:56:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Surveillance Firm Asks Mozilla to be Included in Firefox's Certificate Whitelist - http://sylnt.us - ?¿?!!¡¡
[10:06:27] <chromas> firefox--
[10:06:27] <Bender> karma - firefox: -18
[10:07:55] <chromas> Just minding my own business when suddenly some (but not all for some reason) tabs start turing into update notices:
[10:07:55] <chromas> "We have just installed an update in the background. Click Restart Firefox to finish applying it. We will restore all your pages, windows and tabs afterwards, so you can be on your way quickly."
[10:08:00] <chromas> But the tabs weren't restored
[10:08:05] <chromas> Thanks Obama
[11:04:22] <Bytram> chromas: you prolly had the "Check automatically and update" toggle activated. /me assumes there still is such a thing.
[11:06:22] <chromas> Probably. There's no option in Preferences but it's enabled in about:config, which is dumb because I'm on Linux
[11:06:53] <chromas> Anyhow, they still lied about restoring muh tabs. Specifically, the ones with the update notice are blank tabs with no history
[11:36:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Micron and SanDisk (Western Digital) Announce 1 TB MicroSD Cards - http://sylnt.us - BIG-things-in-small-packages
[11:39:21] <FatPhil> firefox--
[11:39:22] <Bender> karma - firefox: -19
[11:39:56] <boru> mozilla-- morelike.
[11:39:56] <Bender> karma - mozilla: -1
[11:40:27] <FatPhil> but the forks don't all inherit all the same bad traits
[11:40:36] <FatPhil> palemoon++
[11:40:36] <Bender> karma - palemoon: 3
[11:40:48] <boru> You obviously don't know the palemoon developers...
[11:41:05] <FatPhil> Ah, I pinned my version about a year ago
[11:41:12] <FatPhil> palemoon-- now
[11:41:12] <Bender> karma - palemoon: 2
[11:41:47] <FatPhil> And I pinned it, because they made exactly the same dumb user-hating decisions that made me leave firefox and get palemoon in the first place
[11:51:37] <chromas> neat
[11:51:38] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[11:51:39] <upstart> ^ 03NeXT Station | When Steve Jobs left Apple - Part 2
[11:51:47] <chromas> NCommander makes an 'appearance'
[11:52:03] <FatPhil> sigh... /me fires up firefox for the redash business analytics page he needs to answer a question...
[12:07:23] <FatPhil> I may hate it, but occasionally I need it
[12:37:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> MoonChild's okay (even if I sometimes disagree with his decisions); Tobin's an asshole and his presence is detrimental to the Pale Moon project as a whole.
[12:37:28] <boru> Yeah, he's an absolute bellend.
[12:37:52] <boru> The exchange between him and the netbsd port maintainers was very entertaining.
[12:38:11] <boru> Or was it openbsd...
[12:38:48] * AndyTheAbsurd starts up another Pale Moon instance
[12:39:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> did you know that the --no-remote option lets you run multiple profiles simultaneously?
[12:39:27] <boru> MoonChild was being a total twat here as well: https://github.com
[12:39:29] <upstart> ^ 03Pale Moon Official Branding Violation · Issue #86 · jasperla/openbsd-wip
[12:40:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> The problem is that then links clicked from external programs won't open in an instance of Pale Moon started with that option.
[13:15:35] <chromas> Wasn't MoonChild the mom from the Neverending Story?
[13:16:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - There's a Dead Humpback Whale in the Amazon Jungle and Nobody Knows Why - http://sylnt.us - would-you-rather-have-LIVE-humpback-whales-in-the-Amazon-jungle?
[13:34:24] <Bytram> time for work...have a great day everybody!
[13:59:11] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[13:59:11] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[13:59:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:59:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4623
[14:01:05] <FatPhil> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[14:01:07] * exec figuratively gives a photograph of naked women & beer to TheMightyBuzzard
[14:03:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday FatPhil
[14:03:52] * exec irreducibly violates a buzzfeed list of hotsauce with FatPhil
[14:04:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think we both won that one
[14:04:55] * TheMightyBuzzard can't hear irc being noisy this morning on account of kid rock being an american badass from his speakers
[14:09:20] <FatPhil> is that what the kids are calling rednecks nowadays?
[14:11:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, can't accurately pigeonhole him. he took rap, hip-hop, r&b, soul, a bunch of styles of rock, blues, country, and mixed them all into what's very likely the most definitively american music style there's ever been.
[14:41:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah man, i forgot how much fun installing a gentoo system from scratch can be.
[14:47:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Electric Cars Could Make America's Crumbling Roads Even Worse - http://sylnt.us - exceedingly-crumbly
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[16:44:04] <Sulla> cooldown period between posts is annoying. am I being detained?
[16:45:10] <chromas> Are you a Sovereign Citizen™?
[16:50:27] <dioxide> i dont recognize your authority
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[17:33:16] <SoyCow1984> =submit https://www.zdnet.com
[17:33:19] <upstart> Submitting "Researchers break digital signatures for most desktop PDF viewers | ZDNet"...
[17:33:41] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[17:35:12] <SoyCow1984> =submit https://www.zdnet.com
[17:35:15] <upstart> Submitting "Hacker steals $7.7 million in EOS cryptocurrency after blacklist snafu | ZDNet"...
[17:35:36] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[17:36:44] <SoyCow1984> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[17:36:45] <upstart> Submitting "String of ions may out-compute best quantum computers"...
[17:37:07] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[17:38:19] <SoyCow1984> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[17:38:21] <upstart> Submitting "Supermicro hardware weaknesses let researchers backdoor an IBM cloud server"...
[17:38:43] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
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[17:46:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Suicide Instructions Spliced into Kids’ Cartoons on YouTube and YouTube Kids - http://sylnt.us - serious-mental-health-issues
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[18:04:53] <chromas> Kids need options too!
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[19:15:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A World Without Clouds - http://sylnt.us - löylyä-lissää
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[19:59:25] <chromas> In Linux, swap actually makes things work when a program randomly spazzes out and hogs all the memory. With swap, even after the program gets killed 3 hours later, it still takes 45 minutes to swap other stuff back to ram
[20:02:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> I actually had to enable swap on my VPS to get some Perl/CPAN thing to install (I forget what now)
[20:03:25] <chromas> Was it perl 6? :D
[20:03:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> Don't think it's touched swap since then... and my home system (having 16GB of RAM) generally doesn't hit it either, even though I've got swap enabled there as well.
[20:03:54] <chromas> I was just opening a 71 kilobyte svg and Karbon (which is installed for whatever reason) needed a mountain of gigabytes for it
[20:04:59] <chromas> I only enabled swap in hopes it would help in spergouts but it dindu nuffin
[20:06:14] * chromas speeds up the swap-in by toggling it
[20:06:18] * chromas swap swap swap
[20:08:27] <fyngyrz> For modern personal systems with reasonable amounts of ram, swap is like our appendix or coccyx - vestigial, and causes more trouble than it's worth.
[20:10:17] <chromas> RAM can push like 140GB/s; HDD can do at least 60. It's swapping in at around 2 or 3 MB/s
[20:10:19] <chromas> linux--
[20:10:19] <Bender> karma - linux: 3
[20:10:57] <chromas> Wait but appendices still do stuff
[20:11:19] * chromas uses his for reference all the time
[20:17:43] <chromas> According to the internets, swapoff's implementation is retarded but it's unused enough to not warrant some love
[20:18:25] <AzumaHazuki> meh, i keep a little around Just In Case (TM)
[20:30:26] <fyngyrz> putcher swap volume onto a ramdisk :)
[20:37:24] <chromas> Great idea!
[20:38:17] * chromas tries to create a circular dependency
[20:42:52] <Sulla> What are the limits to fixing stuff that is broken instead of buying new, in your opinions. What makes you replace the product instead of spending the time to repair?
[20:43:10] <fyngyrz> "will it be fun?"
[20:43:27] <fyngyrz> no == buy another
[20:43:47] <fyngyrz> Fender tube amp? Fix.
[20:44:00] <fyngyrz> Phone screen? Junk it, get a new one
[20:44:50] <fyngyrz> some things are so easy... like, HD dies? Throw it out, get another. I wouldn't junk the computer over that. :)
[20:45:12] <fyngyrz> plus, for me, it's "replace with SSD" which is always fun
[20:45:27] <fyngyrz> No more rust for me
[20:46:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Putting Data Privacy in the Hands of Users - http://sylnt.us
[20:56:08] <Sulla> Thats pretty reasonable. In general anymore I repair everything to keep one fewer item from ending up in the landfill. Trying to decide how much I will hate my life (will it be fun?) converting my 2016 f150 to 4wd from 2wd
[20:58:15] <fyngyrz> that one sorta depends on your skills, your tool collection, and whether or not you have access to good lift. If you try to do this with the truck on blocks, I can't see how that could _ever_ be fun
[20:58:47] <fyngyrz> Besides, you could put TREADS on it. :)
[20:59:25] <Sulla> I was considering going partial electric. Convert frontend using the inhub electric motors
[20:59:36] * fyngyrz has always wanted a tank to go grocery shopping in... drive right over the other cars. "excuse me, excuse me"
[20:59:48] * fyngyrz "so sorry"
[20:59:56] * fyngyrz "just a flesh wound!"
[21:00:08] <Sulla> Czech troop transports are like 30k
[21:00:16] * fyngyrz may have aggression problems
[21:00:37] <fyngyrz> do you have a means to synch up the speeds?
[21:00:46] <fyngyrz> (hub motors)
[21:00:58] <Sulla> nope, would require much very research
[21:01:01] <fyngyrz> is there a kit or something? Or is this seat of the pants?
[21:01:03] <Sulla> or mad skil
[21:01:33] <fyngyrz> hm. I think you're gonna need another vehicle for the duration. :)
[21:01:34] <Sulla> Its a lot of despiration in not wanting to buy a different truck after how extremely mine failed in this winters weather
[21:02:06] <Sulla> Spent six hours yesterday digging my truck out of snow, in the suburbs, three houses from my own house
[21:02:14] <fyngyrz> well, just so you know, (a) electric motors get hot and (b) they hate water... snowmelt
[21:02:48] <Sulla> My wondreful, loving, awesome wife drove by, rolled her window down, and said i should have got a 4x4 before leaving me there to go to work
[21:02:57] <fyngyrz> ouch :)
[21:03:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> I looked at what it would take to go to 4wd for a Ranger a while back. General consensus on the interwebs was "that's so much work you're better off just buying a different truck" - I'm not sure that's true for an F150 as well, though.
[21:03:22] <Sulla> So i take it electric cars have all sorts of being sealed well?
[21:03:35] <Sulla> thats a shame
[21:03:38] <fyngyrz> There's 2 ft of snow outside here right now, and my 3/4 ton 4x4 basically ignores it
[21:03:47] <fyngyrz> yes, definitely\
[21:04:06] <Sulla> Yeah. My former truck (now my dads) is what finally got me out of someone elses driveway
[21:04:28] * fyngyrz loves his truck
[21:04:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> But hey, the Ranger was $20, the fuel pump I had to replace was like $150, and that plus a handful of oil changes is all I've sunk into that vehicle, so it might be fun if I ever money for it.
[21:04:38] <Sulla> Rangers are great
[21:04:39] <fyngyrz> yes, that's a win
[21:05:04] <fyngyrz> generally, if it runs, it's good for a grand at least
[21:05:06] <Sulla> I loved everything about mine, past few days introduced doubt into the situation. It is a real shame because based on how its operated so far I see no reason why it wouldn't last 200k without issues.
[21:05:14] <Sulla> thus why i would rather convert than buy again and take a gamble
[21:05:34] <fyngyrz> I'd hunt for kits. Or even a lower chassis on a 4x4 version
[21:05:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> Anyway, off the drive the Ranger through the rain to home. Hopefully I don't spin out on a patch of oil. (Florida. We get no snow.)
[21:05:44] <fyngyrz> must be a bunch out there
[21:05:46] <Sulla> What year is the explorer?
[21:05:55] <Sulla> ranger*
[21:06:22] <fyngyrz> watch out for old people. They got me TWICE in south Florida
[21:06:44] <fyngyrz> driving their fucking bagel barges
[21:08:16] <Sulla> http://www.cnqsmotor.com
[21:08:19] <Sulla> is pretty cool
[21:08:20] <upstart> ^ 03High Efficiency dual 8000W 273 50H V3 electric car hub motor conversion kits | QSMOTOR
[21:16:33] <fyngyrz> 4 of 'em is about 10k. Your budget good with that?
[21:16:52] <fyngyrz> 32kw power source. :)
[21:17:01] <fyngyrz> "pickup bed battery"
[21:19:19] <Sulla> Not right now im not good with that, but that doesn't make them cool
[21:19:34] <Sulla> When I looked a couple of years ago similar products were 20k
[21:19:36] <Sulla> so good progress
[21:21:19] <Sulla> I have an '86 vanagon thats motor just blew. Might be cheaper to replace the RWD with two of these and some batteries in the empty engine compartment
[21:21:34] <Sulla> Seeing as replacement engines run 4-5k and only give 86hp
[21:22:16] <fyngyrz> plus you have lots of roof space. For short run vehicl4es, some solar panels are a really nice addition
[21:22:23] <fyngyrz> short run, low use
[21:22:52] <fyngyrz> where I live, I'm pretty sure I'd never have to plug an EV in at all if I had a roof / bed full of solar panels
[21:23:14] <fyngyrz> my ham shack is all solar, no AC out there at all. Never a problem. But the system is small in comparison.
[21:23:31] <Sulla> how much do solar panels weigh?
[21:23:41] <fyngyrz> negligable
[21:24:11] <Sulla> Interestring. Plus if mounted on a vanagon with the poptop can direct toward sun, to some extent
[21:25:22] <fyngyrz> what's your latitude?
[21:25:30] <fyngyrz> or jsut, what state?
[21:25:42] <Sulla> Oregon
[21:25:47] <fyngyrz> pretty high.
[21:25:56] <Sulla> Yeah
[21:26:09] <Sulla> I've wanted to go alternative for my house but wasn't sure about how much benefit I would get
[21:26:19] <fyngyrz> well, I'd aim em permanently so they were at about 35º where I parked, and aimed at the noon point
[21:26:30] <fyngyrz> that's how my ham shack runs - fixed panel
[21:26:44] <Sulla> good to know
[21:26:46] <fyngyrz> https://www.flickr.com
[21:26:47] <upstart> ^ 03Ready for Field Day - or the apocalypse, lol
[21:27:06] <fyngyrz> solar controller is on the right, blue LCD display
[21:27:43] <Sulla> nice setup
[21:27:45] <fyngyrz> all the lights are 12v LEDs
[21:28:09] <Sulla> converted everything I can change to LEDs
[21:28:12] <fyngyrz> I'm a huge fan of solar
[21:28:51] <fyngyrz> that controller has also kept a lead acid battery happy for years now - great maintenance algorithms
[21:29:10] <Sulla> It seems to be the way of the future. Going to be rebuilding my roof in the next couple of years and need to look into solar
[21:29:11] <fyngyrz> I thought I'd be replacing the battery every year... but no
[21:29:16] <Sulla> nice
[21:29:25] <fyngyrz> I thinnk it's been four years now
[21:29:35] * fyngyrz is not well oriented as to time
[21:30:51] <Sulla> Was about to start down the rabbit hole on how to maintain a lead-acid battery for as long as possible, but really should get back to work.
[21:30:56] * Sulla afk
[21:31:01] <FatPhil> fyngyrz: I recommend forwards
[21:31:14] <fyngyrz> forwards?
[21:31:19] <fyngyrz> oh, time
[21:31:21] <FatPhil> the best orientation to take
[21:31:21] <fyngyrz> lol
[21:31:22] <fyngyrz> yeah
[21:31:44] <FatPhil> or you could become anti-vax, and reintroduce polio!
[21:32:00] <fyngyrz> it's a psychobabble phrase "subject is not well oriented as to time"
[21:32:09] <fyngyrz> oy
[21:33:00] <fyngyrz> Sulla, in case you come back and read, here's the panel that supports all that:
[21:33:01] <fyngyrz> https://www.flickr.com
[21:33:03] <upstart> ^ 03Solar stand front
[21:34:47] <fyngyrz> My mom had polio... spent two years in an iron lung and came out with one leg shorter than the other. Fucking anti-vaxxers make me see red
[21:35:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's just humanity evolving away stupidity
[21:36:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> have to get rid of the stupidity genes before that can happen
[21:36:24] <fyngyrz> unfortunately, it also "evolves away" people who simply can't be vaccinated - allergies, etc.
[21:36:39] <Sulla> thanks, im just lurking as i push papers
[21:36:56] <fyngyrz> and because vaccination isn't 100% effective, it also "evolves away" others
[21:37:03] <fyngyrz> k, cool
[21:37:46] <Sulla> My kid turns one next month, can hopefully get him the MMR in time
[21:38:06] <fyngyrz> good for you
[21:38:16] <Sulla> Saw that Oregon (specifically the I5 corridor) might have up to 10% of kids not vaxed
[21:39:01] <Sulla> When my kids were born, the docotors who came in to talk about vaccines were all ginger and cautious like they expected to get yelled at, I told em to calm down and give us the full battery
[21:40:01] <fyngyrz> good parenting
[21:41:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'd be nice if they had the manners to all move to one area so the rest of us could avoid them while they all die of chronic idiocy
[21:42:50] <fyngyrz> indeed
[21:43:01] <fyngyrz> I volunteer the dakotas
[21:43:27] <fyngyrz> put all the hunters in there too, while you're at it. VERY high walls. :)
[21:43:46] <fyngyrz> rule #1: if it moves, you can shoot at it
[21:44:00] <fyngyrz> just give us time to get the cats and dogs out first
[21:44:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, montana. more unpopulated area and no national monuments like mt rushmore or sturgis
[21:44:26] <fyngyrz> MOntana has far more to recommend ithan either of the dakotas
[21:44:31] <fyngyrz> besides...
[21:45:28] <fyngyrz> it'd just be temporary. In a few years, they'd all be dead. :) Then you can have your stoned prezzzies back. Also, Stugis is mostly old corporate guys now.
[21:45:55] <fyngyrz> Sturgis
[21:46:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but you'd be plaguing the shit out of the sioux for the gerzillionth time
[21:46:18] <fyngyrz> I've gone a couple times on my bike (before I sold it) and the only worthwhile thing was the concert
[21:46:29] <fyngyrz> Honestly, I don't care
[21:47:04] <fyngyrz> I am intimately familiar with the res folk here
[21:47:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> what you do is you give them the anti-vaxers' former houses
[21:47:38] <fyngyrz> But if it's indians you're concerned about, Montana has penty too
[21:47:42] <fyngyrz> plenty
[21:47:47] * TheMightyBuzzard is indian and has yet to meet anyone who's been on a res
[21:48:20] <Sulla> I'm okay with that trade
[21:49:08] <fyngyrz> I'm not in any way racists. But I will stand firm that certain types of _social groups_ are entirely worthy of that level of disdain. The res life I'm familiar with... pretty much that. Navaho excepted.
[21:49:19] <fyngyrz> racist. Sigh.
[21:49:50] <Sulla> From what I have seen of the tribes in Alaska the outside influences are what does the damage
[21:50:18] <fyngyrz> the collision does it, because those societies are fragile
[21:50:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> and for the record, i'm just as much in favor of indians assimilating to current us culture as i am any type of immigrant. trying to wind back the clock a couple hundred years towards the past in exchange for handouts is no way to live a life.
[21:50:42] <Sulla> Some folks are just doing their substiance thing with the historical snowmobile and shotgun of their tribes and then some bro with a cesna and a hundred gallons of firewater ruins a bunch o f lives
[21:51:21] <fyngyrz> TMB, ditto
[21:51:41] <fyngyrz> omg sully, that's both hilarioius and true
[21:51:50] <fyngyrz> sulla. hilarious
[21:51:55] <Sulla> I in general don't care how many people come here as long as they provide something to society
[21:51:57] * fyngyrz king of typos
[21:52:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're folks who genuinely don't get that me going out in the front yard and doing the cabbage patch or the running man is every bit as much an authentic indian dance as anything they do.
[21:52:42] <fyngyrz> to Kid Rock, no less. :)
[21:53:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably someone else. kid rock lends himself to moshing or slow dancing more than old club dances.
[21:53:45] <fyngyrz> lol. I lean towards Satriani, myself
[21:54:05] * Sulla doesn't into music at all
[21:54:17] * fyngyrz is musician
[21:54:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> for actin a fool dancing? i'd prolly go jlo or... wait... no... MC Fucking Hammer FTW!
[21:55:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> although doing the Thriller dance in walmart is also fun.
[21:55:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least when you have a teenager along to embarrass the shit out of
[21:56:37] <fyngyrz> very important bonus
[21:56:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> not quite as effective as sitting down and doing the wormy dog scoot but more entertaining to observers
[21:58:45] * TheMightyBuzzard buggers off for an early dinner and some buffy while he runs yet another tedious round of gentoo compiling
[21:59:03] <fyngyrz> ttyl
[21:59:27] <fyngyrz> SSDs reduce the pain considerably
[21:59:50] <fyngyrz> cut the build time on my SDR software quite a bit
[22:00:14] <fyngyrz> Normally (via rust) takes about ten minutes to build... takes about two w/SSD
[22:05:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Firefox OS Lives on as KaiOS, Which Now Runs on Over 80 Million Devices - http://sylnt.us - but-does-it-support-6G?
[22:07:06] <AzumaHazuki> ah, gentoo...i miss it so, but an i5-4200U does not have the grunt to compile things in a reasonable timeframe
[22:09:59] * FatPhil keeps quiet about his celeron...
[22:10:58] <FatPhil> Although of course, I'm ssh'ed into my RasPi for my tmux session full of irssis
[22:11:01] <Sulla> I was recently handed a list of tech stuff that we retired here at the city after their 10 year life and was expremely surprised to see a lot of the i5/i7 series being retired. I was surprised to realize they are a decade old now
[22:12:12] <fyngyrz> They're really quite capable, too
[22:12:23] <FatPhil> i will admit that once i7 hit laptops I felt that that was as much power as I would ever need in a laptop. If builds got any quicker, I'd not have time to make a cup of tea
[22:12:48] <fyngyrz> You need bigger builds, that's all. :)
[22:13:08] <fyngyrz> I run a 2 x 2.93 GHz 6-Core Xeon... so 12 FP cores, 24 threads
[22:13:08] <FatPhil> used to be a kernel dev, don't need builds that big any more, thanks.
[22:13:26] <fyngyrz> my SDR app is a decent size build
[22:13:31] <fyngyrz> looooota code
[22:14:05] <fyngyrz> mine is an "old" processor as well, but it sure feels fast to me
[22:14:52] <FatPhil> Yeah, now I've seen as fast as I need, I'm looking for the watts to go down - I'm trying to be fanless from now on
[22:14:57] <Sulla> My personal desktop is still a core2duo
[22:15:06] <fyngyrz> I was pretty put off by the newer trashcan mac pros, so I've not upgraded. Hoping they'll step back to the good tower, but am not optimistic
[22:15:12] <Sulla> don't see myself upgrading
[22:15:19] <fyngyrz> if you don't need it, why bother?
[22:15:33] <Sulla> Someday I want to play video games again
[22:15:43] <fyngyrz> GPU is more important there these days
[22:15:50] <Sulla> but with four year old twins and a one year old, i don't see a future where its possible
[22:16:06] <fyngyrz> yup, that can definitely alter your prospects
[22:16:24] <fyngyrz> there's always the xboxen and the like
[22:16:26] <FatPhil> when you've got 7 year old twins, they'll be wanting to kick your ass at some game or other, I'm sure.
[22:16:31] <Sulla> I got skyrim running again and my kids enjoyed watching dragons, but the violence is probably a bad idea
[22:16:38] <Sulla> I'm gonna make em start from the beginning
[22:16:44] <Sulla> gotta beat pitfall on the nes
[22:16:58] <fyngyrz> "XYZZY"
[22:17:06] <fyngyrz> points if you know what that is
[22:17:21] <FatPhil> colossal caves?
[22:17:31] <fyngyrz> Adventure
[22:18:00] <fyngyrz> Plugh. And stuff. Maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
[22:18:35] <fyngyrz> yeah, colossal caves
[22:21:37] <Sulla> i think that game is older than me
[22:22:08] <fyngyrz> ha
[22:22:23] <fyngyrz> 1975...1977
[22:23:30] * Sulla 1989
[22:23:36] <fyngyrz> oh yeah
[22:24:17] <fyngyrz> I supply a late 1970's version with my 6809 emulator - built from the 6800 code
[22:24:56] <fyngyrz> I was 20 when he wrote this
[22:25:39] * Sulla save more often
[22:28:07] <FatPhil> I'm older than Collosal Cave, but younger than the PDP-10 it ran on.
[22:28:36] <fyngyrz> afk
[22:28:59] <FatPhil> probably time to fix the bug I realised I had about 16 hours ago...
[22:34:29] <FatPhil> well, that was far too easy
[22:35:27] <Sulla> Should have put it off longer
[22:46:04] <FatPhil> time to start tucking into today's delivery: https://eshop.meadmuseum.com
[22:46:08] <upstart> ^ 03Collection "The best of Czech & Slovak mead" (+ 2 bonuses) - Mead museum
[22:47:03] <FatPhil> big fan of polish/lithuanian mead, so hopefully these are also good.
[22:49:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> Sulla: sorry, got distracted as soon as I got home. The Ranger's an '04, extended cab, 6-foot bed, 3.0L V6, auto transmission.
[22:49:43] <Sulla> thanks
[22:49:56] <FatPhil> any furry dice?
[22:50:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> nope
[23:08:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, that's very nearly an outstanding pickup. ditch the extended cab and make it an eight foot bed and you've very nearly got the perfect non-work truck.
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[23:11:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Sulla, you don't need to worry about teaching your kids violence. it comes natural to them. teaching them to only use it appropriately is another matter though.
[23:13:59] <Sulla> I've been pretty happy with how the kids are doing so far. Other than toward eachother they express no violent tendencies toward their classmates. Although my kids are not doing so well in the modern classroom.
[23:14:34] <Sulla> They have a "quiet zone" instead of "timeout". My kid is an introvert like me, so will act up as much as possible to get into the quiet zone where he gets headphones to listen to music and toys to play with on his own
[23:14:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh
[23:14:41] <Sulla> very much enforcing the negative
[23:16:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> whereas getting your ass spanked is nearly universally to be avoided at that age
[23:17:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> the trend line from effective to ineffective continues like this we'll have to start handing out candy and fireworks as punishment soon
[23:17:44] <Sulla> In general I try to avoid it as much as possible. My kids are pretty easy to negotiate/explain problems to and they knock it out and do not repeat, but it comestimes take a time or two of doing the wrong thing before they figure out I don't deem it acceptable
[23:18:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> well yeah, spanking doesn't make a great punishment by itself but it makes excellent punctuation for the "i'm so disappointed in you" speech
[23:18:38] <Sulla> Haha
[23:19:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> when warranted anyway. generally the speech is enough.
[23:19:21] <Sulla> Depends completely on the kid too
[23:19:53] <Sulla> Other day I found my boys playing with some steak knives
[23:20:04] <Sulla> So I told them to get in the car
[23:20:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth. adhd boy vs extremely eager to please and social girl in the house here.
[23:20:19] <Sulla> entire time "where we going daddy?" with response of "your new home"
[23:20:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha!
[23:20:32] <Sulla> drove until I found a cop walking around downtown and asked him if what they did was illegal
[23:20:48] <Sulla> luckily the guy went along and was telling them that they should be arrested
[23:20:56] <Sulla> problem solved
[23:21:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're evil. i like it.
[23:21:39] <Sulla> I do what works, and that worked quite well
[23:22:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... i can either start the rehash portion of the install now and not even get much progress made before bed or i can go back to watching buffy
[23:22:07] <Sulla> Not sure about what it will do long-term for their obedience to authority though, not sure I like raising people okay with the establishment
[23:22:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> continue on as you are but talk to them about it when they're old enough to grok what you're saying.
[23:23:10] <Sulla> true that. been really hounding them on math recently
[23:23:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> teaching or butt chewing?
[23:23:47] <Sulla> Just turned four and can do addition and subtraction with numbers less than 15 and also adding more than three numbers using their head isntead of fingers
[23:23:54] <Sulla> I'm pretty lax about it to keep interest up
[23:24:06] <Sulla> Just whenever they seem to be able to hold attention
[23:24:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, nod nod.
[23:24:30] <Sulla> Figure i should get them all sorted out before common core
[23:25:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> my folks did that with me. really wish they hadn't. until i learned zen fishing, i was pretty miserable being able to see the stupid all around me.
[23:25:52] <Sulla> Hah. i figure ill get them into fishing as soon as I have some free time. working out a business deal to buy a small business in anchorage and restoring my house
[23:26:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> neato
[23:26:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> sposed to be amazing fishing in alaska
[23:26:42] <Sulla> Lived up there 10 years and never went fishing
[23:26:55] <Sulla> But made a lot of money renting out cars to people who do
[23:27:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> why do you need money if you don't have to spend it on a boat and fishing gear though?
[23:27:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> seems pointless
[23:28:00] <Sulla> gotta afford private school
[23:28:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> that ain't no shit
[23:28:13] <Sulla> west coast is a hell hole
[23:28:46] <Sulla> 3 kids will set me back ~15-24k/year for the next 12 years
[23:28:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i had an english teacher that sent someone to the office for correcting him when he told everyone that bilingual meant you can't speak english.
[23:29:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> highschool english
[23:29:16] <Sulla> hah
[23:29:32] <AzumaHazuki> that shit is the best way to get kids not to trust adults
[23:29:40] <AzumaHazuki> when they're wrong and double down on it and pull rank
[23:29:50] <Sulla> Yeah
[23:30:00] <AzumaHazuki> hell, i was 6 years old when i realized most adults were so full of shit their shoes squelched when they walk
[23:30:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> can you even imagine that dumbass trying to teach shakespeare?
[23:31:00] <Sulla> Something I hate is the parents that tell their kids they get (specific reward) in exchange for (specific behavior) then don't do it or pull back from the full reward for whatever reason
[23:31:45] <Sulla> thats just treachery
[23:32:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i hate bribing kids. making them earn something they're asking for is fine but if you have to give them something every time you want them to obey you, you done fucked up bad.
[23:32:23] <AzumaHazuki> eh, on the other hand, learning "no heroes" in early elementary school might be good
[23:34:05] <AzumaHazuki> ~submit https://arstechnica.com
[23:34:11] <Sulla> I rarely give rewards, typically they have to ask that they really want something that is typically not allowed, or ask for a longer-term goal, and ill make them do something to get it.
[23:34:32] * AzumaHazuki pokes the submission bot with letter opener
[23:34:40] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[23:34:46] <Sulla> I forget what my kid wanted the other day, told him he had to answer 30 white board addition questiosn correct first
[23:35:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> you've always scored way towards the far end of the disagreeability axis then too, eh?
[23:35:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> Sulla, nice
[23:35:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake exec
[23:35:40] * MrPlow smakes exec upside the head with a sock full of oranges
[23:36:26] <exec> #smake TheMightyBuzzard
[23:36:26] * MrPlow smakes TheMightyBuzzard upside the head with vegan jizz. made from bean curd.
[23:36:42] <AzumaHazuki> huh, me? outwardly no, because i just kept quiet after third grade or so
[23:36:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> well #submit works as well. and =submit is chromas's bot.
[23:37:51] <chromas> exec did the sub
[23:37:53] <Sulla> really agree about the not rewards for everything though
[23:38:16] <Sulla> didn't like the kids i knew in high school that wouldn't help their parents with anything without some form of payment
[23:38:36] <Sulla> But when i was a kid I just did whatever my parents asked without complaint, because I had no reason not to
[23:39:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> not me. i complained my ass off. i did what they asked though.
[23:40:00] <AzumaHazuki> i was the obedient one, generally. fat lot of good that did
[23:40:16] <AzumaHazuki> my sister, on the other hand, good grief
[23:41:51] <Sulla> I dunno I was pretty much just agreeable. The most rebellious thing I ever did was make brownies at midnight when I was in my early 20s in college and my best friend and I realized we were adults and could do whatever we wanted. Note: Brownies were normal unlaced, undrugged, brownies
[23:41:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was obedient, if not cheerfully so, up until i hit sixteen or so. then i realized that rules aren't fundamental laws of nature, they're just what another person just like you is telling you to do.
[23:43:05] <AzumaHazuki> and there you have remained eeeeeeever since :D
[23:43:16] <AzumaHazuki> that's true, of course, but there's a little more to it than that
[23:43:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure. you gotta be willing to take the consequences of your actions if you break them.
[23:44:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a value judgment each time it comes up.
[23:44:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> along with whatever ethical/moral traits you wish to embody.
[23:45:15] <AzumaHazuki> morals are grounded externally, so past a certain point it's really not what one wishes. i've always been puzzled by people saying you can't get ought from is
[23:45:22] <AzumaHazuki> like, where else are you supposed to get it...?
[23:45:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> walmart
[23:45:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AMD Plays Catch-Up with Ryzen Mobile Drivers - http://sylnt.us - game-on!
[23:47:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're really right though. there is fundamentally no ought except what you choose. i mean other people may have opinions on it but there are no ought particles to be found in nature.
[23:47:51] <AzumaHazuki> there don't need to be. i find most people have no grip on the ideas of supervenience or emergent behavior and this is where moral confusion comes from
[23:48:21] <AzumaHazuki> there's no such thing as glucose as a basic, first-order phenomenon either; it's all in the arrangement of C, H, and O. But glucose there is
[23:49:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but ought exists nowhere but between the ears of people.
[23:49:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> some of it's pretty fundamental and even a child with no ethical training at all instinctively knows. some of it's not.
[23:50:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> like betrayal is pretty much universally reviled, even by kids who can't talk yet.
[23:51:00] <AzumaHazuki> so our "don't be a backstabbing shitgizzard" moral supervenes on a whole lot of other things: what kind of animal we are, what we evolved from, how to keep a coherent civilization...
[23:52:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmm... not precisely but i get your meaning
[23:53:52] <AzumaHazuki> there's this really good book by a primatologize, Franz de Waal, called "Our Inner Ape." Gospel truth it ain't, but it shows morality being older than humanity, including social morality
[23:54:02] <AzumaHazuki> er, primatologist*
[23:55:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nobody has managed full on truth yet. every attempt is either flawed or incomplete. gotta separate the wheat from the chaff yourself.
[23:55:38] <AzumaHazuki> i am not sure "full on truth" is possible for us. but if anything that just makes me try harder. and start at the very lowest level, the axioms like the law of identity
[23:55:55] <AzumaHazuki> i try and only hold axioms that i'd need to assert in order to deny
[23:56:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> like ole sid the buddha. he worked up a pretty good system but the whole desire focus was flawed; too imprecise
[23:57:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> desire's a strong and useful motivator. it's responsible for everything bad in human history but it's also responsible for everything good, including attaining nirvana by any means other than accident.
[23:58:45] <AzumaHazuki> so much awful shit has accreted around Buddhism. trying to find a "primitive Buddhism" is harder than finding "primitive Christianity"