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[00:30:53] <AzumaHazuki> 11 straight days of work, 3 of which are mornings after a PM shift. new people coming in for me to train despite just finishin training 2 weeks ago. aaaaaand it's shark week @_@
[00:30:58] <AzumaHazuki> so. how was your day?
[00:51:46] <FatPhil> -gday AzumaHazuki
[00:54:56] <FatPhil> hmmm, SN seems dead, and the bots seem dead.
[01:01:16] <AzumaHazuki> good, so it's not just me :v was beginning to think khallow or someone got angry enough to call in a DDoS or something on my connection lol
[01:04:42] <FatPhil> managed to load a story, but the front page wasn't budging.
[01:05:18] <FatPhil> I actually loaded that story in particular as I was looking to see what your contributions were!
[01:05:29] <AzumaHazuki> huhhh, neat :)
[01:05:52] <FatPhil> I knew you'd be taking a north american wild animal by the horns, were it to have horns.
[01:05:57] <AzumaHazuki> i'm trying not to sound too unhinged, but all these overnights plus enough caffeine to kill sonic the hedgehog is a weird combination
[01:10:21] <FatPhil> You have a reputation to maintain ;-)
[01:11:51] <AzumaHazuki> the bitter irony of all this is how shy and quiet and traumatized i am in meatspace. i don't want to fight and hate conflict, but i can't just stand by and let this happen
[01:12:55] <FatPhil> I'm a bit more binary. when my g/f hears me posting (I was once told my aboriginal American name would be "types with stabs") she will just ask "teaching or flaming?" they both sound the same.
[01:13:13] <FatPhil> my trolling typing is much mellower.
[01:13:45] <AzumaHazuki> the name/avatar I'm using is basically a girl who's become unstuck in time searching for the girl she loves, forced into situations and places she has no understanding of, with a weapon she doesn't know how to use in battles she has no wish to fight
[01:14:11] <AzumaHazuki> THAT is the main reason I use it. well, that and 1) I kiiiinda look like her and 2) the story sounds like a very metaphorical version of something that happened to me at her age
[01:14:37] <FatPhil> Yeah, I just came across a post I wanted to respond to critically, but you hadn't stood by and let it happen, so I needed to do nothing.
[01:16:13] <AzumaHazuki> feel free to add in :v there is strength in numbers
[01:16:45] <FatPhil> I do notice you have default attack sequences for some opponents
[01:17:25] <FatPhil> and they in turn have default defence moves.
[01:17:36] * FatPhil waves at TheMightyBuzzard
[01:17:39] <AzumaHazuki> they're so. goddamn. predictable
[01:19:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> wut?
[01:19:17] <FatPhil> Bants
[01:19:35] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[01:20:27] <FatPhil> anyway, back to the thread...
[01:20:53] <AzumaHazuki> I'm always trying to gather new data on how and why people act the way they do. But it's always been predicated on the idea that there is some reasoning, if not actual rationality, at work
[01:21:08] <AzumaHazuki> this...seems not to be the case. and i am frightened, because it seems not to be the case for most people most of the time
[01:21:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, back to business. yall have a pleasant restful evening.
[01:22:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, could have told you that. most people are only sentient in short bursts.
[01:22:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> it takes effort to be that way all the time.
[01:22:47] * AzumaHazuki throws hand over eyes, was ready for it this time...
[01:23:57] <FatPhil> one of the things I like about SN is that there are people who I disagree with who can voice their opinions in a way which makes me understand why *they* think that way.
[01:24:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> not trolling here. most people actually do go by their gut or heart far more often than by their intellect.
[01:24:25] <FatPhil> sometimes it's just a shortcut.
[01:24:38] <AzumaHazuki> maybe i'm some kind of broken, then, to not do that. it feels like a post-zombie-apocalypse world where the zombies won and now the world has a zombie society
[01:24:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're not as far removed from our animal nature as we like to think.
[01:24:44] <AzumaHazuki> and non-undead are "the new zombies"
[01:25:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> anywho, really do have stuff to do
[01:25:57] * TheMightyBuzzard buggers off
[01:26:46] <FatPhil> we just have new circuses (and probably worse bread)
[01:27:23] <AzumaHazuki> when that runs out, seven different shades of shit are going to hit the windmill. and i've only seen 4 shades, not counting that unnatural blue from when my brother OD'd on Fruit Roll-ups as a toddler.
[01:27:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mars One Goes Bankrupt as Reality Catches up to the Doomed Space Plan - http://sylnt.us - Mars-or-Bust!-Whooops!
[01:29:27] <AzumaHazuki> i had to make that point to Runaway in counter to his "WELFARE QUEENS!1111ONE" rant. He gives no thought to WHY there are "welfare queens," what systemic misfeatures would cause that sort of generational poverty...
[01:30:17] <AzumaHazuki> it's the intersection of treating poverty like leprosy, then going "oh shit if too many people die there's gonna be revolution" and doing the clumsiest, most inefficient, most wasteful, most expensive bare minimum to prevent that
[01:33:48] <FatPhil> plus poverty traps
[01:34:31] <AzumaHazuki> Gods, yes. I have seen so much of this firsthand, what with the anti-trafficking stuff I've done.
[01:34:33] <chromas> Get your payday loans here for just 40% apr!
[01:34:56] <AzumaHazuki> loan sharks are scum. they are seriously right up there with actual pimps
[01:35:18] <FatPhil> i once saw a chart that mapped earned income to banked income in the US and it had about *5* points where earning more would make you take home less.
[01:35:22] <chromas> at least pimps have hats
[01:35:41] <FatPhil> and goldfish in their platform shoes.
[01:35:59] <FatPhil> name that film/actor.
[01:36:08] <AzumaHazuki> they're gonna have flame in their everything when they finally quit this mortal coil
[01:36:38] <chromas> ah yes, gonorrhea
[01:37:50] <AzumaHazuki> one of my friends is 51, diabetic, a Crohn's sufferer, may have cancer, and lives in the kind of poverty you used to read about in the Ozarks. She was trafficked as a 12-year old orphan when her parents died
[01:38:43] <AzumaHazuki> 4 years of hell, followed by an entire lifetime of poverty, neglect, suffering, misery, and sickness. a child prostitution record for what she was forced to do was not removed until her late 40s
[01:39:16] <AzumaHazuki> she is going to rot to pieces slowly and miserably from diabetes because this country cares nothing for the very poorest of us, and indeed wishes they'd die
[01:40:11] <AzumaHazuki> Runaway asked me once something to the effect of what keeps me up at night. THIS keeps me up at night.
[02:00:36] <FatPhil> understandably
[02:01:33] <AzumaHazuki> ...sorry. I've just lost too many friends to this. Another one has been incommunicado for 6+ weeks, no one knows where she is, and i'm all but certain she's dead
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[03:06:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cutting-edge Underwater Mining System Can Give Flooded Mines a New Lease of Life - http://sylnt.us - dig-it!
[03:23:39] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: just finished catching up on scrollback.... sorry to hear about your friend. That is horrible.
[03:24:22] <AzumaHazuki> there's thousands and thousands and thousands more like her, and no one knows, or cares
[03:25:07] <Bytram> there, but for the grace of $diety, go I...
[03:25:49] <Bytram> all it would take is for me to have a major accident or nasty disease/ infection requiring extended treatment, and that could well be me, or most anyone I know.
[03:25:57] <AzumaHazuki> precisely. and i could become like that for no good reason. one illness, one slip and fall, one piece of bad luck...
[03:26:20] <Bytram> there's a saying about the measure of a country being shown by how it takes care of the old and infirm.
[03:26:40] <AzumaHazuki> yes. and we are failing miserably
[03:26:48] <Bytram> massively paraphrased, don't recall the exact quote
[03:26:53] <Bytram> agreed.
[03:27:12] <AzumaHazuki> i really hope this stuff happens to khallow and runaway and everyone else who just wants the poor to die but doesn't even have the guts to say it
[03:27:23] <AzumaHazuki> if there is one and only one thing their kind understands it's personal suffering
[03:28:25] <Bytram> I wish no ill will upon anyone, but DO hope that, shoul misfortune befall them, they have an "aha" moment and a sincere change of heart (okay, and I would not mind if they also had a strong stab of guilt)
[03:28:58] <AzumaHazuki> not bleeding likely. i've given up on them and people who think like them a long, long time ago
[03:29:24] <Bytram> They've not been near death's door with no where to turn. Yet.
[03:29:37] <Bytram> that time will come for them, at some point. Nobody lives forever.
[03:30:26] * Bytram Has survived deadly circumstances. Twice. Am grateful for receiving excellent medical care.
[03:31:43] <AzumaHazuki> it's maddening, as in insanity-inducing, to know how much luck is involved, to be able to visualize all the timelines you died miserably in, and then realize that there are hundreds of times more where you're alive and homeless and sick and scrounging for food in dumpsters
[03:32:12] <AzumaHazuki> and only. luck. has stopped those from coming true
[03:32:52] <AzumaHazuki> and then you realize for millions of people...it did come true. and no one knows, nor would most of them care if they did
[03:32:54] * Bytram has friends who survived times like those.
[03:34:21] * Bytram is increasingly aware of the infirmities that plague old age... not looking forward to that. At all.
[03:35:57] <AzumaHazuki> i think i've seen too much
[03:37:14] <AzumaHazuki> there is this unexplainable, inarticulable, pervasive existential tiredness that will not go away
[03:39:21] <Bytram> I may not be able to save the world, but I can make a positive difference in at least one person's life today. The world may not notice, but at least I know I made the burden a little less for someone.
[03:40:21] <Bytram> IOW, do not look only at what remains to be done. It's just as dishonest to deny my character assets as it is to deny my character defects,
[03:41:13] <AzumaHazuki> fair enough. i'm probably much too hard on myself. might come from just how many friends have suffered and died while i was completely powerless to help
[03:41:31] <Bytram> If more people took the attitude of trying to help others, the problem would take care of itself. It's the selfishness, I think, that blocks people from doing that.
[03:42:41] <Bytram> Would that all could longer and healthier lives. At some point, my time will come. There is NOT avoiding it. I take solace in knowing that, in general, the world is a better place for my having been alive in it, today.
[03:43:05] <Bytram> You are not *that* good at being "not that good"
[03:43:11] <Bytram> =)
[03:54:26] <Bytram> has been a long day. Should hit the sack, soon.
[03:54:43] <Bytram> have a good night everyone!
[03:54:56] <AzumaHazuki> you too
[03:57:53] <Bytram> mare see! ;)
[04:36:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Seagate Readying 16-24 TB HAMR HDDs, and Hard Drives With Two Actuators - http://sylnt.us - put-the-HAMR-down
[05:09:50] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
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[05:23:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit the bed, 19 damned replies and if i don't look at them there'll be a bigger pile by morning.
[05:28:43] <FatPhil> this is clearly divine punishment
[06:09:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i did hear god loves all the little fishes once in sunday school, so possibly.
[06:16:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chinese Company Tencent Buys a 5% Stake in Reddit - http://sylnt.us - all-your-website-are-belong-to-us
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[08:44:30] <chromas> Doesn't Linux already run on Arm? I thought the challenge was getting past SecureBoot
[09:12:18] <FatPhil> I have more arm machines than x86 machines here
[09:12:56] <FatPhil> I'm typing this on an arm machine (RasPi)
[09:13:09] <FatPhil> Maybe there's non-portable packages in Ubuntu?
[09:27:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Change the Way You Wash your Hair to Help Save the Environment - http://sylnt.us - read-this-while-having-a-nice,-hot-cup-of-tea
[11:06:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Genetic Testing for Dogs - http://sylnt.us - getting-a-ruff-deal
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[13:01:51] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:01:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4600
[13:02:32] <Bytram> !woop
[13:02:32] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[13:10:59] <Bytram> ~weather DC
[13:11:00] <exec> 10Washington, DC - currently 34°F / 1°C, rain, wind NE at 6 mph, humidity 91% - Tuesday rain (34°F:42°F / 1°C:6°C), Wednesday partly cloudy (30°F:46°F / -1°C:8°C), Thursday mostly cloudy (47°F:55°F / 8°C:13°C), Friday scattered showers (40°F:60°F / 4°C:16°C)
[13:12:13] <Bytram> ~weather presque
[13:12:15] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME - currently -8°F / -22°C, sunny, wind S at 4 mph, humidity 69% - Tuesday mostly cloudy (-8°F:19°F / -22°C:-7°C), Wednesday snow (11°F:20°F / -12°C:-7°C), Thursday mostly cloudy (4°F:26°F / -16°C:-3°C), Friday snow (23°F:33°F / -5°C:1°C)
[13:12:29] <Bytram> ~weather miami
[13:12:30] <exec> 10Miami, FL - currently 76°F / 24°C, mostly cloudy, wind SE at 11 mph, humidity 88% - Tuesday partly cloudy (70°F:79°F / 21°C:26°C), Wednesday rain (65°F:72°F / 18°C:22°C), Thursday partly cloudy (66°F:76°F / 19°C:24°C), Friday partly cloudy (67°F:78°F / 19°C:26°C)
[13:13:02] <Bytram> ~weather cape canaveral
[13:13:04] <exec> 10Cape Canaveral, FL - currently 67°F / 19°C, partly cloudy, wind S at 4 mph, humidity 95% - Tuesday scattered thunderstorms (60°F:76°F / 16°C:24°C), Wednesday rain (55°F:62°F / 13°C:17°C), Thursday mostly sunny (59°F:72°F / 15°C:22°C), Friday partly cloudy (61°F:74°F / 16°C:23°C)
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[13:25:32] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[13:25:33] <upstart> ^ 03How Big Meat Made Bacon a Meme
[14:25:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mass Extinction of Insects Underway - http://sylnt.us - debug-the-planet!
[14:30:34] <pinchy> its true! https://en.wikipedia.org
[14:30:35] <upstart> ^ 03Gell-Mann amnesia effect - Wikipedia
[14:35:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:35:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4601
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[16:36:59] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v mechanicjay] by Aphrodite
[16:37:01] <exec> welcome mechanicjay: Seattle, WA, 1°C/34°F, 8:37 am PST, Tuesday, 12 February 2019
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[16:50:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, that latest response in site comments i made wasn't a blow-off, i'm working on a journal and haven't quite got everything sorted out in my head yet.
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[16:51:38] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard: just seen it. we do seem to be going round in circles presently.
[16:52:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> journal entry is semi-related but only somewhat. my brain went off on a tangent and it was an interesting one so i ran with it.
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[16:57:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk, smokin ribs
[17:00:46] <FatPhil> yeah, food time here. Liver onions and beans for me tonight I think.
[17:27:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> #sumbit http://www.tampabay.com (Full disclosure: I work for tampabay.com - and normally would not submit articles from the site, however, in this case I think the technologies and decisions about how to use them discussed in the articles would be of interest to the community.)
[17:27:45] <hopdevil> that is sum-bit
[17:27:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> sum of a bit-ch!
[17:28:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> #submit http://www.tampabay.com (Full disclosure: I work for tampabay.com - and normally would not submit articles from the site, however, in this case I think the technologies and decisions about how to use them discussed in the articles would be of interest to the community.)
[17:28:05] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[17:28:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> Thanks for pointing it out.
[17:28:17] <hopdevil> np
[17:28:31] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[17:35:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Quitting Facebook Might Make you Happier, but Dumber: Study - http://sylnt.us - what-about-twitter?
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[18:35:59] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v mechanicjay] by Aphrodite
[18:36:03] <exec> welcome mechanicjay: Seattle, WA, 2°C/35°F, 10:36 am PST, Tuesday, 12 February 2019
[18:36:05] <exec> welcome mechanicjay: Seattle, WA, 2°C/35°F, 10:36 am PST, Tuesday, 12 February 2019
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[20:57:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hackers Wipe US Servers of Email Provider VFEmail - http://sylnt.us - did-they-try-photorec?
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[22:27:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - James Clerk Maxwell Telescope Discovers Flare 10 Billion Times More Powerful than Those on the Sun - http://sylnt.us - oh
[23:56:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Adobe Fixes 43 Critical Acrobat and Reader Flaws - http://sylnt.us - 42