#Soylent | Logs for 2019-01-06
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[01:45:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Nuclear Tunnelbot to Melt through Europa? - http://sylnt.us - eat-your-heart-out,-Elon
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[02:55:51] <exec> welcome NCommander: New York, NY, 7°C/44°F, 9:55 pm EST, Saturday, 5 January 2019
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[03:01:01] <exec> welcome NCommander: New York, NY, 7°C/44°F, 10:01 pm EST, Saturday, 5 January 2019
[03:01:41] NCommander is now known as SoyGuest4862
[03:04:26] <Bytram> SoyGuest4862: ahoy!
[03:19:47] <chromas> ooh
[03:21:13] * chromas borrows NCommander's nick to beat Bytram
[03:33:28] <Bytram> #g field goal
[03:33:29] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "A field goal (FG) is a means of scoring in American football and Canadian football. To score a field goal the team in possession of the ball must place kick, ..."
[04:16:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Biobank Database of Nearly Half a Million Britons Yields Discoveries about Health and Genetics - http://sylnt.us - correlation!=causation
[04:56:50] <Bytram> colds--
[04:56:50] <Bender> karma - colds: -30
[04:57:45] <Bytram> whereto? https://arstechnica.com
[04:57:46] <upstart> ^ 03The next Alien project will be a mixed-media experience in 2019 ( https://arstechnica.com )
[06:36:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 10% of US Adults Has Food Allergy; Nearly 1 in 5 Think They Do; Nearly Half Developed as Adults - http://sylnt.us - aaaaa-choooooooo!
[08:55:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Nanoscavengers" Could Act as Vaccines for Nerve Agents - http://sylnt.us - but-does-it-work-on-Iocaine-powder?
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[11:16:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hayabusa2 Spacecraft Faces Difficulties in Landing and Collecting a Sample from an Asteroid - http://sylnt.us - will-the-touchdown-be-followed-by-a-field-goal?
[11:31:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:31:54] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4529
[12:15:28] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:15:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4530
[12:15:35] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[12:15:36] * exec scientifically duplicates a B-tree of ellipses for TheMightyBuzzard
[12:15:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[12:15:44] * exec emphatically flicks a sole datagram of pascal at Bytram
[12:15:56] * TheMightyBuzzard has no idea
[12:16:04] * Bytram once had a job where he programmed in Pascal
[12:16:19] <Bytram> #g datagram
[12:16:19] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "A datagram is a basic transfer unit associated with a packet-switched network. Datagrams are typically structured in header and payload sections. Datagrams ..."
[12:16:51] <Bytram> a tiny little part of a pascal program, then
[12:16:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> the word ellipses always makes me want to sneakily follow short people into mordor
[12:17:02] <Bytram> and then...
[12:17:07] <Bytram> ;)
[12:17:24] <Bytram> oh, and wb!
[12:17:37] <Bytram> how was your vacation?
[12:18:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> too long beyond the first two days
[12:18:15] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:18:18] * TheMightyBuzzard is a homebody at heart
[12:18:31] <Bytram> there's no place like 127.0.0.1
[12:18:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> troof
[12:19:10] <Bytram> although there is a difference of opinion what one should use in one's HOSTS file; some advocate for 0.0.0.0
[12:19:40] <chromas> pascal++
[12:19:40] <Bender> karma - pascal: 64
[12:19:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> i use 104.102.218.188
[12:20:11] <Bytram> ummm, and that's... where?
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[12:20:22] <chromas|2> Did someone mention HOSTS files?!
[12:20:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> whitehouse.gov
[12:20:26] <chromas|2> fpos
[12:20:36] chromas|2 is now known as APK
[12:20:44] <chromas> hexchat--
[12:20:44] <Bender> karma - hexchat: 0
[12:20:46] * Bytram chuckles
[12:21:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, i think i may switch to NSA.gov. they want my data anyway. might as well send anything i don't want to them.
[12:21:34] <Bytram> yeah, but then how are ya gonna do your backups?
[12:21:44] <APK> I have over 12,000,000 lines in my HOSTS file
[12:21:46] <APK> ...APK
[12:21:48] <Bytram> should only send them the stuff that is important to you
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[12:21:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh they're bound to have plenty backups of my stuff
[12:22:05] <Bytram> need a better IDS
[12:22:06] <chromas> I wonder if they offer an API
[12:22:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> you should email them and ask
[12:22:28] <chromas> mycloud.nsa.gov
[12:22:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> we'll run the response as a story
[12:22:44] <Bytram> truf... I'm in on that
[12:23:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[12:23:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[12:23:14] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 681
[12:23:30] <Bytram> #g VESA
[12:23:30] <MrPlow> https://vesa.org - "VESA's vision is continual growth in technical standards development and evolution into an international trade association, with world-wide membership driving ..."
[12:23:41] <Bytram> yeah, but what does it stand for
[12:23:48] <Bytram> #g VESA acronym
[12:23:48] <MrPlow> https://www.acronymfinder.com - "6 definitions of VESA. Meaning of VESA. What does VESA stand for? VESA abbreviation. Define VESA at AcronymFinder.com."
[12:24:01] <Bytram> #g VESA video electronics
[12:24:01] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "VESA formally known as Video Electronics Standards Association, is a technical standards organization for computer display standards. The organization was ..."
[12:24:19] * chromas remembers back when they did video stuff
[12:24:30] <chromas> now all they have is the tv mount hole-spacing standard
[12:24:31] <Bytram> can you spell AGP?
[12:24:49] <chromas> Annual Growth Promontory
[12:25:00] <Bytram> that's just the tip of the problem
[12:25:57] <Bytram> #g AGP video
[12:25:58] <MrPlow> http://www.agpvideo.com - "AGP Video, Inc. has established itself statewide as the premier producer of government meeting documentation. Meetings can be seen live and from archives on ..."
[12:26:05] <Bytram> #g AGP video card
[12:26:05] <MrPlow> https://www.amazon.com - "Results 1 - 24 of 824 ... Compaq - 16MB 4X NVIDIA VANTA AGP VIDEO CARD - 238955-002 ... NVIDIA GeForce 4 MX440 64MB DDR AGP Low Profile Video Card ..."
[12:26:21] <Bytram> #g AGP advanced
[12:26:21] <MrPlow> https://www.ge.com - "AGP System Advancements. The Power FlexEfficiency Portfolio. AGP: A Product of Ecomagination. Advanced Gas Path Solution (AGP). Unparalleled Expertise ..."
[12:26:28] <Bytram> #g AGP advanced graphics
[12:26:28] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "AGP Express: Not a true AGP interface, but allows an AGP card ... AGX: The EpoX Advanced Graphics eXtended (AGX) is ..."
[12:26:46] <Bytram> #g AGP advanced graphics processor
[12:26:46] <MrPlow> https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com - "AGP - Advanced Graphics Processor. Looking for abbreviations of AGP? It is Advanced Graphics Processor. Advanced Graphics Processor listed as AGP."
[12:30:01] * Bytram is too tired to do much of anything, but too awake to go back to sleep
[12:31:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, that's not a terrible idea. NSA version of dropbox. it'd save them all the trouble of trying to decrypt that traffic and give us something to point to as a yardstick for how reliable federal security is.
[12:32:47] <Bytram> and some gubmint contractor could make gobs of moolah selling storage to 'em, too... acting as an intermediary, of course, with the actual hdw manufacturers (Samsung, Micron, Seagate, WD, etc.)
[12:33:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> every decent data breach would be another nail in the "you can trust us on internet security and crypto matters" coffin
[12:33:43] <Bytram> +1 Insightful
[12:34:14] <FatPhil> takyon: does being so stupid actually hurt?
[12:34:22] <Bytram> yanno, that might lead to an interesting discussion for the site... how 'bout subbing that as a story?
[12:34:46] <Bytram> FatPhil: where'd THAT come from?
[12:35:14] <FatPhil> a painfully stupid response he made
[12:35:46] <Bytram> where?
[12:35:58] <FatPhil> on SN, woh, who'd have thought
[12:36:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake FatPhil
[12:36:14] * MrPlow smakes FatPhil upside the head with division by zero
[12:36:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think he was looking for a bit more specificity =P
[12:36:28] <Bytram> it's getting kinda big and I ain't gots the time to read all of it atm
[12:36:37] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ what he said
[12:36:37] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 335
[12:36:43] <Bytram> !whoup TheMightyBuzzard
[12:36:43] <Bender> uppers of themightybuzzard are: Bytram: 161, crutchy: 43, chromas: 32, cmn32480: 25, Bytram|away: 7, Deucalion: 7, FatPhil: 7, mrcoolbp: 5, juggs: 5, mechanicjay: 5, geotti: 4, Bytram|afk: 4, nick: 3, Ethanol-fueled: 3, Blackmoore: 3, Subsentient: 3, prospectacle: 3, xlefay: 2, JamesNZ: 2, paulej72: 2, charon_: 2, capt_curmudgeon: 1, ar: 1, cmn32480|away: 1, Yog-Yogguth: - 1 more
[12:36:49] <Bytram> reminds me
[12:36:51] <Bytram> !uid
[12:36:51] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 7253, owned by EJsReode
[12:38:30] <Bytram> seems like we are on an increased pace; added 13 accts so far this month; 48 in Dec; and 30 in Nov
[12:38:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> !iud
[12:39:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, seems more a journal thing than a story thing
[12:40:43] * chromas should create a systemd account and put binary blobs into the journal
[12:42:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> uuencode them first
[12:43:08] <FatPhil> Don't fucking joke
[12:43:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, ?!?!
[12:43:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> you must be new here
[12:43:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> we joke like politicians lie
[12:44:17] <FatPhil> One of the bugs I raised against some stupid userspace component on the phone that I still use, and retarded behaviour my g/f still sees on her phone, was that something was putting a .tgz uuencoded into the syslog.
[12:44:19] <Bytram> well you have UID 18 and I has 76... his is 863. I think you may be onto something! ;)
[12:44:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gods
[12:44:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's freaking hilarious
[12:45:14] <chromas> Do they run Tizen?
[12:50:03] <FatPhil> Stop reminding me of former jobs!
[12:50:06] <FatPhil> http://fatphil.org
[12:50:36] <FatPhil> Yes, that's a 9 year old phone, and yes I do have a replacement touchscreen
[12:50:53] <FatPhil> After Nokia, I worked for Samsung.
[12:51:01] <FatPhil> Shortest job I ever had.
[12:51:13] <FatPhil> I think I quit after about 10 weeks.
[12:51:22] <chromas> What I thought the N900 was the greatest phone in the universe
[12:51:36] <FatPhil> the kernel was great
[12:51:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i quit preemptively. before i put in a resume even.
[12:52:04] <chromas> handed down by yhwh himself. survived all the genocides
[12:52:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> saves time and corporate headaches
[12:52:25] <FatPhil> the divide between kernel and userspace was bigger than the divide between the white landowners and the black slaves in 18C America.
[12:52:47] <FatPhil> userspace were useless cunts.
[12:53:00] <Bytram> Well, think I'm gonna get my butt in gear and treat myself to breakfast at an all-you-can-eat buffet.
[12:53:14] <chromas> Did they run with 3/5s resources?
[12:53:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> poor guy. what'd he ever do to you? i mean he gives us margaritaville and you wanna cannibalize him.
[12:53:47] <FatPhil> When I was working for Samsung, I had to interview one of the Nokia browser team who didn't recognise me. I still to this day can't believe I didn't glass him.
[12:54:03] <Bytram> #g bring out your dead
[12:54:04] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com - "Aug 30, 2007 ... Mix - Monty Python-Bring out your dead!YouTube · 8272018 ROAD RAGE- INSTANT REGRET- BAD DRIVER- and IDIOT DRIVER compilations ..."
[12:54:11] <chromas> FatPhil: that's pretty terrible actually. Integration makes for a stronger operating system
[12:54:28] <Bytram> #g bring out your dead not dead yet yes he is
[12:54:28] <MrPlow> https://en.wikiquote.org - "Guard 2: Oh yeah, I agree with that. ... Dead Collector: Bring out yer dead! .... King Arthur: I have no quarrel with you good Sir Knight, But I must cross this bridge."
[12:54:40] <FatPhil> chromas: only if you get rid of the dead wood.
[12:54:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt bring out your dead python
[12:54:51] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[12:55:11] <FatPhil> uesrspace was full of bottom of the barrel idiots.
[12:55:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> just ban python interpreters. 90% of your problem solved right there.
[12:56:14] <FatPhil> If they'd have culled the useless half, the half that doesn't put uuencoded .tgz's of binary dumps in /var/log/syslog, then perhaps a dialogue would have been possible.
[12:56:20] <chromas> first they banned the python, then they came for the java
[12:56:30] <FatPhil> modulo parity
[12:56:35] <Bytram> chromas: s/java/boa/
[12:56:37] <exec> <Bytram> <chromas> first they banned the python, then they came for the boa
[12:56:39] <chromas> I sense division
[12:56:51] <Bytram> inverted multiplication
[12:56:58] <chromas> What aboot base64? that's okay right?
[12:57:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> only for canadians
[12:57:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, no, they use the metric system.
[12:58:10] <chromas> Has anyone invented the metric dozen?
[12:58:24] <FatPhil> In defence of the browser team guy, he was a smart coder. His manager was the cunt.
[12:58:47] <chromas> Ah, Aussie, eh
[12:58:52] <FatPhil> Also, when he was drunk in the pub he was an idiot. But he doesn't remember that either.
[12:59:24] <FatPhil> the problem in Nokia was the managers. Which was about 60% of the workforce.
[12:59:58] <FatPhil> I once pulled up the org chart, and there were *20* steps between me and Microsof^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hthe CEO
[13:01:04] <chromas> 20 degrees of Nokia Bacon
[13:03:52] <FatPhil> There were some managers whose job was nothing but managing a single other manager.
[13:04:21] <chromas> Sounds like a kickass job
[13:04:50] <FatPhil> yeah, but I didn't get a chance to kick his ass
[13:05:13] <chromas> Have a few drinks, play some golf, jerk each other off, go home
[13:06:03] <FatPhil> we were obnoxious fucks in the kernel team. We once took a technical dispute up 6 layers of management because we basically just said "no" to each level of the enemy's management and they just said "we're escalating".
[13:06:29] <FatPhil> the enemy in that case was the security team, who were trying to push DRM into the kernel.
[13:07:48] <chromas> isn't that like the opposite of security?
[13:08:49] <chromas> "Hey everyone there's a back door in all the phones, you totally can't break into it!"
[13:10:15] <FatPhil> I, and an equally outspoken guy who was 10 times the coder that I was, were seconded to the security team for 2 months, in order to stop the "them and us" attitude.
[13:10:26] <FatPhil> We went to all the meetings...
[13:11:17] <FatPhil> I heard the phrase "to keep microsoft happy" more than once.
[13:11:50] <FatPhil> And this was *before* the "burning platforms" speech
[13:12:37] <FatPhil> Our email, in Helsinki, was managed by a Microsoft facility in Amsterdam.
[13:13:03] <FatPhil> Their mail system inserted linebreaks into long lines - breaking kernel patches.
[13:14:36] <FatPhil> They fixed that problem by turning off the "break kernel patches" switch, not by *not using microsoft to manage our email*.
[13:15:16] <FatPhil> There were 60 people competent enough to run an email server in the kernel team. (There were 60 people in the kernel team
[13:16:09] <chromas> Should've uuencoded the patches
[13:16:19] <FatPhil> aaaaaaaaarghhhhh!!!!!!
[13:16:56] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[13:17:28] * FatPhil cuckles
[13:19:19] <FatPhil> shit, nearly sobered up from last night, time to go to the pub again to stop the rot of sobriety.
[13:19:48] <FatPhil> All the bar owners know me now, I never get kicked out at "closing time".
[13:20:17] <FatPhil> g/f tells me we didn't get home until 6am this morning
[13:21:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> saves time. don't have to worry about that annoying sleep stuff.
[13:30:01] <FatPhil> har-har.
[13:30:24] <FatPhil> the only time I get a good night's sleep is when I'm suitably "medicated".
[13:30:47] <FatPhil> Folk wisdom is that drunk sleep isn't good sleep. Folk wisdom is wrong.
[13:30:59] <FatPhil> For some it's the *only* sleep.
[13:31:18] <chromas> sleep time sounds like a waste of drunk time
[13:33:15] <FatPhil> drunk isn't good for productivity, alas
[13:33:38] <FatPhil> neither's zombie-like tired.
[13:35:09] <FatPhil> Personally, I think I should get a discount at a brewpub where I'm a shareholder. I'm just too polite to raise the fucking issue.
[13:35:23] <chromas> Maybe if you move on up to managing a manager manager
[13:35:40] <FatPhil> can't afford to buy in that deeply.
[13:36:01] <FatPhil> I don't actually do any work for them at all, but I have offered my services for various things.
[13:36:11] <chromas> If you get a discount then you won't profit as much from yourself though
[13:36:35] <FatPhil> food/beer pairings at the restaurant, for example, that's one of my specialities.
[13:37:12] * chromas suddenly reads that in faux Italian accent
[13:37:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Plan S Open Access Project Continues to Gain Support, Face Criticism - http://sylnt.us - slow-but-steady
[13:37:25] <FatPhil> and press releases in English, I speak it like a native!
[13:37:49] <FatPhil> I said "beer", not "whine"!
[13:38:24] <chromas> I said-a "beer-a" not-a "whine-a"
[13:42:12] <chromas> You could add some CSS to their web site
[13:42:19] <chromas> And come canvas animations
[13:43:23] <chromas> Make it so when a user starts to scroll, a popup asks why they haven't created an account yet
[13:43:36] <chromas> and have a little chat window poop up in the corner
[14:50:33] <cmn32480> coffee++
[14:50:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4531
[15:09:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[15:09:07] * exec ironically launches a dumpster of Oreos toward cmn32480
[15:09:18] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[15:09:20] * exec erratically dereferences a pointer to a staff of cumin for TheMightyBuzzard
[15:09:25] <cmn32480> hows things in your world?
[15:09:47] <cmn32480> i win
[15:11:08] <cmn32480> anybody got a tanker full of lactose free milk?
[15:12:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, pretty fair
[15:13:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout to have to get rid of networkmanager cause it sucks at openvpn. gimped up so it doesn't accept important openvpn options.
[15:13:39] <cmn32480> ewww
[15:14:08] <cmn32480> hows the church coming?
[15:14:12] <cmn32480> gt rid of the bees?
[15:15:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. that's about all so far though.
[15:15:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> hopefully with the holidays out the way we can get contractors up there.
[15:15:55] <cmn32480> that'sd be good
[15:17:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. can't do much until the french drain gets done and that requires at least two contractors
[15:17:16] <cmn32480> that's right I forgot abnout that
[15:17:27] <cmn32480> they don't trust you on the back hoe?
[15:18:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> nobody trusts me with hoes
[15:18:04] <cmn32480> lol
[15:18:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt gourds gin and juice
[15:18:43] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[15:57:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - VESA Expands DisplayHDR Specification to Include OLED and Emissive Displays - http://sylnt.us - hyper-mega-super-ultra-turbo-black
[16:17:30] <chromas> it's the current year. where are all the qdled displays?
[16:19:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg. i needs nicotine and the possibility of a nap is increasing sharply.
[18:25:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Sonic Attack" Recording Made by Diplomats is Actually a Recording of Crickets - http://sylnt.us - *crickets*
[18:52:05] <FatPhil> chromas++ for "chat window poop"
[18:52:05] <Bender> karma - chromas: 240
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[19:03:00] <exec> welcome mechanicjay: Seattle, WA, 6°C/43°F, 11:02 am PST, Sunday, 6 January 2019
[19:03:00] <exec> welcome mechanicjay: Seattle, WA, 6°C/43°F, 11:02 am PST, Sunday, 6 January 2019
[20:47:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Potentially Good Ideas Buried in US House of Representatives' First Bill: HR1 - http://sylnt.us - stopped-clock
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[23:07:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lose Yourself in this Highly Addictive "Murder Map" of Medieval London - http://sylnt.us - don't-go-there
[23:29:36] <chromas> They didn't have trucks back then though