#Soylent | Logs for 2018-12-27

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[00:00:24] <Deucalion> That's not going to happen and Konomi gives no shits but there it is in black n white
[00:00:51] * Deucalion makes AndyTheAbsurd Communist
[00:01:13] <Deucalion> That's not going to happen aand AndyTheAbsurd gives no shits but there it is in black n white
[00:02:52] <Deucalion> We're all communist because we socialise with vaguely socialist europeans.... all communists because they dont like guns :D
[00:15:58] <Sulla> Thats a fair definition of west coast hippy. Even if there were a lexicon it would be kind of pointless because everything everywhere is different. An east coast republican votes that way for different reasons than a west coast republican would. I interact on a day to day basis with people who deny that stalin or mao did anything wrong because they worked for the people in the name of progress. I don't call them communists because it is incorrect and communi
[00:16:08] <Sulla> to describe them without a long winded description
[00:16:11] <Sulla> yet there are many of them
[00:26:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ASK SN: How to Escape from London? - http://sylnt.us - can't-get-there-from-here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIJBUZm1HoY
[00:36:32] <chromas> Sulla: part of your message got chopped. Need a message-splitting script or something
[00:36:41] <chromas> "I don't call them communists because it is incorrect and communi"
[00:50:45] <Sulla> just that i dont like calling people commies when it has an actual definition and that there isn't a word - next line
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[02:05:46] <exec> welcome Ethanol-fueled: San Diego, CA, 16°C/60°F, 6:05 pm PST, Wednesday, 26 December 2018
[02:05:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Merry Christmas Niggers
[02:07:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - GoFundMe Refunds $400,000 in Donations Made to Homeless Veteran Scammers - http://sylnt.us - limey-helm
[02:08:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> back at ya, ef
[02:13:27] <Bytram> #g dubstep
[02:13:27] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Dubstep is a genre of electronic dance music that originated in South London in the late 1990s. It is generally characterized by sparse, syncopated rhythmic ..."
[02:16:41] <Ethanol-fueled> Whoa, people are actually here.
[02:17:05] <takyon> that should not have had limey helm dept on it
[02:17:08] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm gettin' primed for another night of shitposting.
[02:17:15] <takyon> that was leftover from when I saved a submission with that
[02:17:21] <Bytram> #g limey helm
[02:17:21] <MrPlow> https://film.avclub.com - "Feb 12, 2009 ... —Screenwriter Lem Dobbs, commentary track for The Limey. ... even with a sympathetic director at the helm—Soderbergh championed Dobbs' ..."
[02:17:31] <Bytram> lol
[02:17:38] <Bytram> ok, break time... biab
[02:17:41] <takyon> plz changge it
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[02:18:47] <chromas> from the go-fund-yourself dept
[02:18:59] <takyon> gud
[02:19:49] <takyon> ok changed
[02:24:23] * Bytram has an early start at work tomorrow... gonna call it a night.
[03:37:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Trouble at "Civil" Blockchain-Based Journalism Startup - http://sylnt.us - minecraft-the-blockchain
[04:07:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://americanmilitarynews.com
[04:07:19] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[04:07:44] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[05:16:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - USAF's Next-Gen GPS Satellites Will be a Huge Upgrade...Eventually - http://sylnt.us - anti-sat-capabilities
[06:15:08] <takyon> 1 TB SSD at $96? weeew
[06:26:21] <Konomi> https://www.w3schools.com
[06:26:22] <upstart> ^ 03HTML Color Shades
[06:26:28] <Konomi> "An anomaly in the table above is that HTML Gray is darker than DarkGray."
[06:26:30] <Konomi> wat...
[06:27:42] <takyon> I would say it's a fault of all those whacky X11 colors but it doesn't seem like it: https://www.w3schools.com
[06:27:43] <upstart> ^ 03Colors - X11
[06:30:45] <takyon> omg Turmeric looks so nice: https://www.w3schools.com
[06:30:46] <upstart> ^ 03Color Trends
[06:33:55] <Konomi> use format string syntax in python for ages
[06:34:02] <Konomi> suddenly realise template strings are a thing
[06:34:04] <Konomi> https://docs.python.org
[06:34:05] <upstart> ^ 037.1. string — Common string operations — Python 2.7.15 documentation ( https://docs.python.org )
[06:34:06] <Konomi> boo
[06:36:28] <Konomi> combination of template and format might work best
[06:36:32] <fyngyrz> pretty wordy way to get things done, tough
[06:36:34] <fyngyrz> though
[06:36:34] * Konomi thinks laters
[06:36:52] <Konomi> yes but having words can help
[06:37:22] <Konomi> for example https://paste.ofcode.org
[06:37:23] <upstart> ^ 03Paste ofCode
[06:37:30] <Konomi> these prints could be nicer with templates
[06:38:08] <fyngyrz> gah
[06:39:25] <fyngyrz> python3... not python. Not my bag.
[06:40:09] <Konomi> debian has /usr/bin/python for 2.7 and /usr/bin/python3 for whatever 3.x is at
[06:40:11] <fyngyrz> perfectly fond of print "%d little %s" % (3,'pigs')
[06:40:38] <fyngyrz> that's just me, of course
[06:40:58] <Konomi> be nice but padding is needed for this because there's no way to define a consistent spacing
[06:41:06] <Konomi> so has to be monospace font space padded output
[06:41:25] <fyngyrz> string * number
[06:41:53] <fyngyrz> number = indent - len(string)
[06:42:06] <fyngyrz> different string
[06:42:11] <Konomi> yeah that is going to be so much more messing than {0: > 4}
[06:42:17] <fyngyrz> first is pad, second it output
[06:42:22] <Konomi> {0: >4}*
[06:42:29] <fyngyrz> put it in a procedure, it's easy
[06:42:43] <Konomi> why do that when format has it covered ~
[06:42:55] <fyngyrz> that's all I would do. bette rthings to do than learn yet another way to format strings
[06:43:11] <fyngyrz> because next wekk, theree will be yet another way
[06:43:15] <Konomi> programmers not learning, sounds bad xD
[06:43:31] <fyngyrz> no, learn things that are new, not things that are the same thing done a different way
[06:43:37] <Konomi> hopefully not string format is gaining pretty good consistency
[06:43:38] <fyngyrz> only x space in this old head, y'see
[06:43:53] <Konomi> c# has a simlar way of formatting with most of what python has in its format
[06:44:12] <fyngyrz> good thing I hang with c++ :)
[06:44:46] <Konomi> I like c and c++ but I'll wait for includes to die in a fire
[06:44:55] <Konomi> at least in c++
[06:44:58] <Konomi> c can keep em
[06:44:59] <fyngyrz> what includes do you mean?
[06:45:05] <Konomi> c# has no includes
[06:45:11] <Konomi> it has namespaces
[06:45:14] <fyngyrz> oh
[06:45:30] <Konomi> the amount of time I save by not having to deal with includes and guard headers is great
[06:45:38] <fyngyrz> hm
[06:45:39] <fyngyrz> interesting
[06:45:53] <fyngyrz> I hardly notice them
[06:46:11] <Konomi> oh and no makefiles
[06:46:22] <fyngyrz> been at it for a while, it's possible I spend more time there than I think, but it's so easy, I guess it makes little impression if it's long
[06:46:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chrome OS to Test Early GPU Support for Linux Apps Soon - http://sylnt.us - incremental-improvements
[06:47:16] <fyngyrz> well, we each have our comfort zones, eh?
[06:47:39] <Konomi> comfortable making makefiles I just find them a waste of time
[06:48:00] <Konomi> or the many systems that can generate them
[06:48:09] <fyngyrz> I typically write in qt these days, haven't looked at a makefile in... man, I dunno, quite some time
[06:48:31] <Konomi> I have to write c# at work it's a nice language but I'd rather not write something so windows centric
[06:48:40] <fyngyrz> I like the triple-platform cross compiles
[06:48:43] <Konomi> otherwise I do python and java at home for now
[06:48:56] <Konomi> moved away from perl and shell to python
[06:49:05] <fyngyrz> same. perl aged me
[06:49:12] <fyngyrz> never did like shall
[06:49:15] <fyngyrz> shell
[06:49:31] <Konomi> perl and shell suffer from the too many ways to do things sydrome
[06:49:47] <fyngyrz> they suffer from APL syndrome
[06:50:02] <fyngyrz> a syntax designed to be read by a machine, not a human being
[06:50:17] <Konomi> also as much as I hated the whole whitespace as indenting in python
[06:50:28] <Konomi> it pretty much ended the how to I format my braces crap
[06:50:37] <Konomi> s/to/do
[06:50:55] <fyngyrz> I never minded it, but I've always used whitespace proactively, even write some magazine articles about it back in the 1980s
[06:51:15] <fyngyrz> wrote
[06:51:26] <Konomi> besides that my perl python moment was assignment by reference
[06:51:50] <Konomi> perl gottcha = @_, python gotcha = assign by ref
[06:51:54] <fyngyrz> I hated on the K&R style pretty hard
[06:52:19] <Konomi> actually it was quite amazing seeing so many people on hacker news mistakenly state python is always assign on ref
[06:52:37] <Konomi> I only recently learned it and I already know assign by ref only applies to classes and objects not strings integers etc
[06:52:38] <fyngyrz> serves you right for reading that stuff, lol
[06:52:50] <fyngyrz> jk
[06:53:05] <Konomi> the confusing part comes from the fact lists are objects when you'd expect them to be arrays etc
[06:53:12] <fyngyrz> immutable
[06:53:27] <fyngyrz> that's the key takeaway
[06:53:31] <fyngyrz> that's why they can be objects
[06:53:46] <Konomi> but yeah not a fan of assign by ref
[06:54:10] <fyngyrz> shallow copies can bite hard if you're not aware of it
[06:54:12] <Konomi> don't know of any other language that is explictly assign by ref
[06:55:11] <fyngyrz> well, c and descendants has pointers, and indirection through them. It's more metal, but... similar
[06:55:32] <Konomi> yeah but you need & to say use a pointer don't copy
[06:55:32] <fyngyrz> and of course assembly, same thing
[06:56:12] <Konomi> all other languages I know of c (&variable) c# (ref(variable) perl $variable-> etc
[06:56:35] <fyngyrz> you can just create a pointer, and then copy them to each other :)
[06:56:55] <Konomi> yeah I know my point is that happens without any indication from the programmer they want it to happen in python
[06:57:01] <fyngyrz> right
[06:57:04] <Konomi> every other language you have to explictly say I want a ref
[06:57:06] <fyngyrz> ya gotta know
[06:57:20] <fyngyrz> but to be fair, there are lots of things ya gotta know
[06:57:32] <Konomi> I've explained this to other programmers and their generally responce is "really?"
[06:57:45] <fyngyrz> yeah, I could see that
[06:58:15] <Konomi> it's also something you have to explain everytime you tell someone python is a good language
[06:58:57] <fyngyrz> I've given up even trying. Typically, it boils down to some rant about whitespace. Waste of my time.
[06:59:23] <Konomi> I also generally send them to this https://goo.gl
[06:59:24] <upstart> ^ 03Visualize Python, Java, JavaScript, C, C++, Ruby code execution ( http://pythontutor.com )
[06:59:25] <fyngyrz> course, I'm old, and tend to be cranky
[07:01:18] <fyngyrz> nice!
[07:02:27] <Konomi> yeah great site for helping people
[07:04:23] <fyngyrz> added it to reference list. Thanks. Off to bed now
[07:04:28] <fyngyrz> midnight here
[07:04:29] <Konomi> night night ~
[07:04:33] <Konomi> 6pm in roo land
[07:04:33] <fyngyrz> heers
[07:04:37] <fyngyrz> cheers, even
[07:04:46] <fyngyrz> you a roo?
[07:05:05] <Konomi> nah no roos in the city
[07:05:28] <fyngyrz> k, night
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[07:20:58] <SoyCow9411> Join #editorial
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[07:50:43] <exec> welcome Ethanol-fueled: San Diego, CA, 12°C/53°F, 11:50 pm PST, Wednesday, 26 December 2018
[07:51:01] <Ethanol-fueled> Man, I love living in the best country in the world...
[07:51:18] <Ethanol-fueled> the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.
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[07:52:01] <SoyGuest31065> Oh, that's just mean.
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[07:52:55] <FatPhil> ~submit https://arstechnica.com
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[07:53:00] <exec> welcome Ethanol-fueled: San Diego, CA, 12°C/53°F, 11:53 pm PST, Wednesday, 26 December 2018
[07:53:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Lets see if this works this time.
[07:53:29] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[07:54:55] <Ethanol-fueled> I'm looking forward to a fat turkey dinner.
[07:55:55] <Ethanol-fueled> I have mayo, mustard, avocado, and a large tomato. And, a heaping healping of Nazi propaganda for some feel-goodness.
[07:57:22] <Ethanol-fueled> We will stop the migrant scum.
[07:58:12] <Ethanol-fueled> And, in case you believe that you are ready for the fight, then BRING IT ON.
[07:58:54] <Ethanol-fueled> The United States of America will never fall.
[07:59:14] <Ethanol-fueled> Fuck with us, and we will EAT you ALIVE.
[08:00:27] <Ethanol-fueled> I know plenty within, and when TRUMP is given the order, the rest of them will fall.
[08:01:35] <Ethanol-fueled> DO NOT fuck with us, globalists, for your errand is a fools' errand.
[08:02:59] <Ethanol-fueled> Ethanol-fueled out. End Transmission.
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[08:15:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Washington Redskins Reportedly Backed Out of Huawei Wi-Fi Deal Because of Government Concerns - http://sylnt.us - an-abundance-of-caution
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[09:57:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Biggest Day of Gains Ever for Our Stock Markets - http://sylnt.us - how-are-they-doing-over-the-entire-year?
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[11:26:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Latest Shutdown to Curtail NASA Activities - http://sylnt.us - no-pay-no-play
[12:07:15] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:07:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4517
[12:09:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:09:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4518
[12:10:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, folks, off i fuck. yer on your own entirely until this evening.
[12:10:19] * TheMightyBuzzard waves
[12:13:48] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: enjoy your vacation!! I'll *try* to not do anything *too* destructive, but just in case, here's a pre-emptive:
[12:13:50] <Bytram> ~blame
[12:13:51] * exec points at Bytram
[12:13:55] <Bytram> =)
[12:14:10] <Bytram> and, in case you don't get back before then:
[12:14:23] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: H A P P Y N E W Y E A R ! ! ! !
[12:14:50] <Bytram> laters taters... time for me to head to work.
[12:55:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ‘Doomba’ Turns Your Roomba's Cleaning Maps Into Doom Levels - http://sylnt.us - but-does-it-doom-windows?
[14:37:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Evidence Continues to Mount About How Bad Denuvo is for PC Gaming Performance - http://sylnt.us - removing-extraneous-code-speeds-software-up
[14:57:46] * FatPhil needs a good command-line diff tool that will highlight commonalities within the different blocks.
[14:58:43] <FatPhil> git diff --color-words is a bit retarded, the things you want it to create token-breaks on it will simply ignore.
[14:59:16] <FatPhil> emacs ediff only refines one block at a time, I'd like to see everything in a less-able view.
[15:06:16] <FatPhil> wdiff doesn't do colour, instead adding line noise to files which already are quite line-noisy.
[15:08:34] <FatPhil> dwdiff seems to do the job
[15:09:38] <FatPhil> except it completely misses some of the diffs :(
[15:14:43] <FatPhil> but only when piped through less -r, curiouser and curiouser...
[15:17:01] <FatPhil> yeah, a bug in less, because clearly pagers are hard to write. I mean, they have to both display exactly what their input is, and also stop displaying it, really tricky stuff
[15:21:36] <FatPhil> difference between -R and -r is important, it seems - long lines confuse -r.
[15:22:24] <FatPhil> "Unlike -r, the screen appearance is maintained correctly in most cases", which is nice.
[16:06:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Landmark Bill Allows Hemp Cultivation in the U.S. - http://sylnt.us - hemp-farmer
[17:38:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China's $1 Trillion Belt and Road Project Includes Military Cooperation With Pakistan - http://sylnt.us - didn't-see-that-one-coming
[19:06:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Adventurer Completes First Unaided Solo Trek Across Antarctica - http://sylnt.us - because-he-could
[20:36:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How The Pilots Of Lion Air Flight 610 Lost Control - http://sylnt.us - man-versus-machine
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[20:38:54] <SoyCow1984> =submit https://www.zdnet.com
[20:38:58] <upstart> Submitting "Users report losing Bitcoin in clever hack of Electrum wallets | ZDNet"...
[20:39:20] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
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[22:06:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Are Keeping Pig Brains Alive Outside The Body - http://sylnt.us - man-with-two-brains
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[22:44:22] <SoyCow1984> =submit https://www.engadget.com
[22:44:24] <upstart> Submitting "Netflix drops the first trailer for 'Black Mirror: Bandersnatch'"...
[22:44:36] <SoyCow1984> =submit https://www.engadget.com
[22:44:37] <upstart> Submitting "How police are using corpses to unlock phones"...
[22:44:46] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[22:45:00] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[22:55:41] <SoyCow1984> =submit https://techcrunch.com
[22:55:43] <upstart> Submitting "New e-commerce restrictions in India just ruined Christmas for Amazon and Walmart"...
[22:55:58] <SoyCow1984> =submit https://techcrunch.com
[22:55:59] <upstart> Submitting "Security flaws let anyone snoop on Guardzilla smart camera video recordings"...
[22:56:05] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[22:56:22] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[22:57:59] <SoyCow1984> =submit https://techcrunch.com
[22:58:00] <upstart> Submitting "Instagram accidentally rolled out tap-to-advance feed, removes it"...
[22:58:23] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
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[23:40:24] <SoyCow4187> hello
[23:41:44] <SoyCow4187> just checking to see if the IRC was up and running
[23:42:04] <SoyCow4187> Comments in one of the latest articles indicated it was down
[23:42:18] <SoyCow4187> Merry Christmas everyone!
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