#Soylent | Logs for 2018-10-22
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[00:17:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pando, the Most Massive Organism on Earth, Is Shrinking - http://sylnt.us - save-pando!
[00:43:18] <Bytram> !uid
[00:43:18] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 7144, owned by NPC-131072
[00:44:51] <Bytram> whereto? https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov
[00:44:52] <upstart> ^ 03Bill Text - AB-2282 Salary history information.
[00:45:10] <Bytram> whereto? https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov
[00:45:10] <upstart> ^ 03Bill Text - AB-168 Employers: salary information.
[00:46:04] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.jdsupra.com
[00:46:05] <upstart> ^ 03California Clarifies its Salary History Ban | JD Supra
[00:46:17] <Bytram> whereto? https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov
[00:46:18] <upstart> ^ 03Law section
[00:50:22] <Bytram> ~folding-rank
[00:50:24] <exec> 07243
[01:03:14] <Bytram> whereto? https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov
[01:03:15] <upstart> ^ 03Law section
[01:03:25] <Bytram> https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov
[01:03:26] <upstart> ^ 03Law section
[01:50:44] <Bytram> ~time x
[01:50:46] <exec> Monday, 22 October 2018 @ 1:50 am UTC - Coordinated Universal Time
[01:50:52] <Bytram> ~time edt
[01:50:54] <exec> Sunday, 21 October 2018 @ 9:50 pm ET - Eastern Time
[01:52:51] <Bytram> #g what is github
[01:52:51] <MrPlow> https://github.com - "GitHub brings together the world's largest community of developers to discover, share, and build better software. From open source projects to private team ..."
[01:52:52] <upstart> ^ 03Build software better, together
[02:15:42] <Bytram> #g twisty little passages
[02:15:43] <MrPlow> https://www.amazon.com - "Twisty Little Passages: An Approach to Interactive Fiction (The MIT Press) [Nick Montfort] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. A critical ..."
[02:15:47] <upstart> ^ 03Twisty Little Passages: An Approach to Interactive Fiction (The MIT Press): Nick Montfort: 9780262633185: Amazon.com: Books
[02:15:58] <Bytram> #g twisty little passages all alike variations
[02:15:59] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Colossal Cave Adventure is a text adventure game, developed originally in 1976, by Will Crowther for the PDP-10 mainframe. The game was expanded upon in 1977, with help from Don Woods, and other programmers created variations on the ..... The phrase \"you are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike\" has become ..."
[02:16:00] <upstart> ^ 03Colossal Cave Adventure - Wikipedia
[02:16:12] <Bytram> #g twisting little passages all alike variations
[02:16:13] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Colossal Cave Adventure is a text adventure game, developed originally in 1976, by Will Crowther for the PDP-10 mainframe. The game was expanded upon in 1977, with help from Don Woods, and other programmers created variations on the ..... The phrase \"you are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike\" has become ..."
[02:16:14] <upstart> ^ 03Colossal Cave Adventure - Wikipedia
[02:34:47] <pinchy> upchuck
[02:40:18] <Bytram> what happens when you ask Charles to come up to your stateroom on a ship?
[02:41:41] <Bytram> ~time edt
[02:41:43] <exec> Sunday, 21 October 2018 @ 10:41 pm ET - Eastern Time
[02:42:26] <Bytram> ~time x
[02:42:28] <exec> Monday, 22 October 2018 @ 2:42 am UTC - Coordinated Universal Time
[02:45:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Twitter Publishes Dump of Accounts Tied to Russian, Iranian Influence Campaigns - http://sylnt.us - trolls-r-us
[02:58:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Breaking News: GitHub Currently in Read-Only Mode -- Status Messages Cribbed from Colossal Cave - http://sylnt.us - why-yes,-I-*am*-an-Adventure-Grandmaster
[05:16:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hackers Breach HealthCare.Gov System, Threatening the Data of 75,000 People - http://sylnt.us - another-day-another-breach
[06:06:27] <Konomi> https://www.theregister.co.uk
[06:06:27] <upstart> ^ 03It's not just you... GitHub.com freezes up as techies race to fix dead data storage gear
[06:06:28] <Konomi> annoying
[06:56:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Well Have Recruiters Handled California's New Salary History Law? - http://sylnt.us - sudo-make-me-an-offer
[06:57:40] <chromas> See that's why MS needs to buy Github and put it on Azure
[06:59:11] <boru> Github is just a social network. Who cares if it goes down.
[06:59:38] <boru> It's just for n00bs who can't read the git man page, and need big colourful buttons to merge things for them.
[06:59:40] <chromas> Would you say that about IRC?
[07:00:06] <boru> Which part?
[07:00:19] <chromas> Being just a social network and who cares if it goes down
[07:00:25] <boru> IRC is a protocol.
[07:00:26] <chromas> Also the git man page
[07:00:40] <chromas> I use IRC because I didn't read the manpage
[07:01:16] <chromas> Yeah a protocol for social networking
[07:01:18] <boru> You're probably better off with the RFCs. I don't think anyone has written a man page for it.
[07:01:38] <boru> You're comparing apples to oranges.
[07:01:46] <chromas> They're both sugary fruits
[07:02:02] <boru> Protocols are not social networks.
[07:02:17] <chromas> But they're used for social networks
[07:02:24] <boru> So, what's your point?
[07:04:19] <chromas> I dunno
[07:05:36] * boru chuckles.
[07:06:04] <boru> It's too early for trolling. I'm not awake yet.
[07:06:19] * chromas hides his troll ushanka
[07:06:30] <boru> What is a ushanka?
[07:06:41] <chromas> one of those Russian hats
[07:07:06] <chromas> https://www.ushanka.com
[07:08:03] <boru> Ah, right. Those.
[07:15:55] <FatPhil> "elephant cunts"
[07:41:02] <Konomi> chromas: kidna wish they would so it can explode and we can have more people move to alternatives
[07:43:16] <boru> Well, some alternatives have worsened around the same time, like bitbucket's new UI, which is awful.
[07:43:32] <boru> I've used bitbucket for years, but thinking about moving away from it, again.
[07:45:14] <chromas> Isn't the only alternative Gitlab or something? And it runs on Ruby Rails or something
[07:45:33] <boru> Isn't that the one you run in-house?
[07:45:37] <chromas> Yeah
[07:45:51] <boru> Why not just run your own git server and have people learn how to use git?
[07:46:09] <chromas> Could just use plain git, but git doesn't have stars and comments
[07:46:11] <FatPhil> boru++
[07:46:11] <Bender> karma - boru: 25
[07:46:49] <FatPhil> yikes, people might have to learn how to do `man git-send-email' too - shocking!
[07:48:10] <boru> People might have to use man pages!
[07:48:35] <FatPhil> this pissed me off yesterday: man -k ulimit
[07:49:11] <boru> To put on my ranty hat for moment, that seems to be an ever increasing phenomenon on IRC; people posting URLs to web pages of man pages or telling people to use a web search, when the documentation is right there on their machine.
[07:49:12] <FatPhil> for some reason the default -doc packages on the system didn't include anything that mentioned ulimit.
[07:49:32] <boru> I posit the problem is -doc packages.
[07:49:34] <Konomi> man pages are horrid
[07:49:45] <boru> IMHO, if you install something, you should get all of the documentation with it.
[07:50:10] <boru> Linux man pages are horrid.
[07:50:13] <Konomi> ms edit.com was doing TUIs right why the nix world lacks them so much I'll never know
[07:50:32] <FatPhil> strangely , same os, different version, has default -docs that do contain the appropriate manpage, so I think devuan/debian agree with you, and have now fixed the issue
[07:50:54] <chromas> We should all switch to ganoo info
[07:50:58] <Konomi> man ulimit works on my debian stable so
[07:51:20] <boru> If info(1) had less(1) keybindings, I'd be okay with using it.
[07:51:51] <FatPhil> info is just wap for manpages
[07:51:51] <boru> I use info(1) for stuff like binutils.
[07:52:02] <FatPhil> who remembers wap?
[07:52:06] <boru> I do, sadly.
[07:52:13] <chromas> FatPhil: s/a/o/
[07:52:15] <exec> <chromas> <FatPhil> who remembers wop?
[07:53:13] <Konomi> but yeah I don't get why this isn't how every TUI acts: https://upload.wikimedia.org
[07:54:22] <chromas> Heresy!
[07:54:41] <chromas> You ctl-alt-shift-:iq that right now!
[07:54:43] <boru> Different design philosophy, and conception era.
[07:56:10] <Konomi> gotta so the alt +a then release press the Ctrl + x then type r s d and press enter
[07:56:14] <Konomi> see so simple
[07:56:23] <FatPhil> Ignoring home 'toy' computers, I grew up with borland's TCC as my first editor, as my first access to a computer was as a PC programmer.
[07:56:56] <boru> Ah, good old turbo C.
[07:57:31] <FatPhil> Of course, BCC followed soon, I must have spent 5+ years in that IDE, so do have some preference for it.
[07:57:55] <boru> Borland lost their mind after turbo C.
[07:58:09] <boru> They tried, and failed, to be watcom.
[07:58:25] <boru> And bore those RAD tool abominations.
[07:58:29] <FatPhil> Remember "Zorland"?
[07:58:29] <boru> And created delphi.
[07:58:52] <boru> Hmm, I don't think I do, no.
[07:59:41] <FatPhil> I never met it face-to-face, but once spotted a manual for it at a friend's office. Renamed to Zortech, IIRC.
[08:00:22] <boru> He probably did his best to hide it.
[08:00:46] <boru> Put some stacks of adult magazines on top of it to hide his shame.
[08:02:01] <FatPhil> http://www.edm2.com
[08:02:02] <upstart> ^ 03Zortech C++ - EDM2
[08:02:53] <boru> Hmm, was it popular?
[08:03:18] <FatPhil> Amongst asm programmers, demo scene, quite popular.
[08:03:34] <boru> I've seen some very esoteric compilers from disassembling stuff in the 80s and 90s.
[08:03:38] <boru> But never that one.
[08:05:49] <Konomi> I mostly write c# atm cause my life is suffering
[08:06:12] <chromas> Sounds like you're mixing up cause and effect
[08:11:39] * FatPhil continues hacking away at perl, as someone trotskied his brain out decades ago.
[08:12:46] <FatPhil> having said that, next in my queue of tasks are little helper scripts that I'll write in lua.
[08:13:41] <chromas> So how do you like lua so far?
[08:18:24] <Konomi> moving from perl to python but I still work on perl when needed
[08:18:48] <Konomi> I basically do what I like in my free time and write in pretty much any language my boss wants
[08:32:41] * Konomi dislikes when an anime series turns out boring
[08:33:34] <Konomi> lua is a meh language for me, it's not horrible but it's not special either
[08:37:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Many UK Motorists Have 'Shocking' Lack Of Road Knowledge - http://sylnt.us - youtube-dashcam-accidents-guaranteed-for-years-to-com
[08:41:04] <Konomi> also as much as I will whine about c# god I like not needing to screw with #include
[08:49:14] <boru> C and asssembly for various ISAs is my bread and butter at the moment. I do Forth for fun.
[08:49:48] <boru> Affords me being off in Curmudgeon Corner™ of the engineering lab and being left alone.
[08:54:15] <chromas> modules kick ass. I'm glad to see C++ catching up to the 1970s
[09:26:27] <chromas> When I get rich, I'm starting a company that just makes mice with skid pads placed anywhere other than over the screw holes
[10:15:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Entire Broadband Industry Sues Vermont to Stop State Net Neutrality Law - http://sylnt.us
[10:16:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:16:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4393
[10:34:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> well shit, github is breaky today. and here i was all ready to start a coding push for a new site update. guess i'll have to go fishing instead.
[10:35:46] <chromas> You can still code, Mister!
[10:45:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> well sure but i'd fuck up our version control system if i used a method other than git to get our code onto dev for testing.
[10:48:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[10:59:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh, guess there's nothing for it but to fuck off to the lake.
[11:56:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Air Pollution Deaths Nearly Halved Between 1990 and 2010 - http://sylnt.us - it's-nice-to-breathe
[13:12:17] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:12:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4394
[13:13:19] <Bytram> Just popping in for a minute. Gotta get cleaned up, take a phone call, collect clothes from the dryer, head to an appointment, and then off to work until 2030. Gonna be a full day.
[13:19:05] <Bytram> just pushed out a story to give us a little breathing room in the story queue.
[13:21:29] <Teckla> Bytram: 12 years at work! That's a long shift. ;)
[13:22:10] <Bytram> ROFL! I had to look at twice to get it... thanks for the laugh!
[13:22:14] <Bytram> Teckla++
[13:22:14] <Bender> karma - teckla: 3
[13:22:26] <Bytram> and, I can procrastinate no longer.
[13:22:29] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:22:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4395
[13:22:31] <Bytram> laters!
[13:23:38] <Teckla> coffee++
[13:23:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4396
[13:36:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Issues Call for Payloads to Go on Commercial Lunar Landers - http://sylnt.us - outsourcing-in-space
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[16:56:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hack on 8 Adult Websites Exposes Oodles of Intimate User Data - http://sylnt.us - nothing-is-safe-online
[18:16:32] <FatPhil> n.w. Orgy of the Dead (Ed Wood, 1965)
[18:19:06] <FatPhil> oh, my 5 minutes in, and it's already unbearable
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[18:46:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Linus Torvalds is Back in Charge of Linux - http://sylnt.us - reptilian-replacement
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[19:30:22] <FatPhil> this movie is doing my nut in, i can't believe anyone thought it was a good idea to make.
[19:31:50] <AndyTheAbsurd> ...it's Ed Wood.
[19:32:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> Wasn't he voted Worst Director Ever by someone or other?
[19:32:16] <FatPhil> yes,
[19:32:45] <FatPhil> we're just getting a couple in before we watch the Johnny Depp movie - doing background reasearch
[19:34:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> Looking at the wikipedia page for him... "Plan 9 From Outer Space" is the title that I actually remember (though I've never seen it), so if it's not already, maybe add that one to your list?
[19:36:01] <FatPhil> that's the first one we watched, a few years back
[19:36:31] <FatPhil> it was hemlock-drinkingly bad.
[19:36:55] <FatPhil> alas we only had beer available.
[19:37:19] <AndyTheAbsurd> not even liquor? :(
[19:38:36] <FatPhil> hmmm, whiskey was also available, IIRC
[19:39:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> I suspect I'd have switched over to whisky quite early on.
[19:44:01] <FatPhil> i was attempting to be impartial and balanced in my IMDB rating.
[19:44:36] <FatPhil> my god it's over, thank god
[19:47:48] <FatPhil> 2 stars, and that was just for the brillian campness of the emperor, and the brilliant mummy dialogue
[20:38:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 'Spycam' Epidemic Seizes South Korea's Women - http://sylnt.us
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[22:07:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 2019 Breakthrough Prize Honors Pulsar Discovery, 'Multi-Messenger Astronomy' and More - http://sylnt.us
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[23:47:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Antipsychotics Haloperidol and Ziprasidone Found Ineffective at Treating Delirium - http://sylnt.us - Syrophenikan