#Soylent | Logs for 2018-10-10

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[00:05:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Netherlands Ordered to Increase Greenhouse Emissions Cuts - http://sylnt.us - Luctor-et-blubblubblub
[00:12:12] <Fnord666> ok who broke the site?
[00:14:15] <hopdevil> borked?
[00:16:49] <Fnord666> Was getting 500 errors on a lot of things for a minute or two
[00:40:31] <chromas> That happens when the mod points are restocked
[00:50:55] <Fnord666> thanks for the info!
[01:04:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, it's not the mod points script. that one runs in under a second. something else running around that time i expect.
[01:06:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bioelectronic Medicine: Implantable Device Speeds Nerve Regeneration (in Rats) - http://sylnt.us - I've-got-a-feeling
[01:06:34] * TheMightyBuzzard fucks back off to finish watching mash for the evening
[01:08:03] <chromas> Runs at the exact time that script goes
[02:46:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> sigh. fine. i'll poke at it tomorrow sometime.
[02:46:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pristine Apple I Sells at Auction for a Jaw-Dropping Price - http://sylnt.us - shiny-old-apple
[03:09:13] <chromas> Maybe if you just switch rehash over to MSSQL
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[04:18:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Company Hired by Intel Uses Fatally Flawed Benchmarks to Promote the Intel Core i9-9900K - http://sylnt.us - unsurprising
[05:47:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Can Now Measure DNA We 'Shed' to Solve Crimes - http://sylnt.us - not-a-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtle
[07:16:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Standard Treatment for Common STD Doesn't Eliminate Parasite in Some Women - http://sylnt.us - still-bugged
[08:55:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UCSD Pascal Pioneer Ken Bowles Has Passed Away - http://sylnt.us - RIP
[09:14:03] <Bytram> #g voila
[09:14:04] <MrPlow> https://en.wiktionary.org - "In face-to-face conversations where both participants can see the subject of the conversation, voilà often supersedes voici (thus its additional definition: Here is)."
[09:14:05] <upstart> ^ 03voilà - Wiktionary
[09:34:44] <Bytram> coffee++
[09:34:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4361
[09:35:00] <Bytram> yeah, I'm not sure why I am awake at this hour, either.
[09:54:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[09:54:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4362
[09:54:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[09:54:41] * exec sardonically tosses array of Walla Walla sweet onions to Bytram
[09:54:49] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[09:54:51] * exec arrogantly separates shippon of apple slices from TheMightyBuzzard
[09:55:02] <Bytram> apples and onions?
[09:55:16] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[09:55:16] <Bytram> could make an interesting glace sauce!
[09:55:38] <Bytram> simmer and apply over some, say, chicken
[09:55:54] <Bytram> timing is perfect... am writing up a meta article about system responsiveness
[09:56:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i dunno why you're awake but i'm awake because i'm old and often wake up a bit before my alarm goes off
[09:56:09] <Bytram> not quite ready yet, would appreciate your giving it
[09:56:15] <Bytram> a looksee before it goes live
[09:56:37] <Bytram> that's easy... just set your alarm for *later*
[09:56:41] <Bytram> =)
[09:58:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure sure
[09:59:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> just don't set it to go live for a few hours at least so my coffee has time to work its magic first
[10:02:01] <Bytram> k
[10:05:48] <Bytram> ~time x
[10:05:49] <exec> Wednesday, 10 October 2018 @ 10:05 am UTC - Coordinated Universal Time
[10:09:26] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Okay, it's up and ready; scheduled for: 15:00 UTC, or in just under 5 hours.
[10:10:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> okey doke. i'm gonna get some book reading and coffeeing done and i'll have a look at it.
[10:10:48] <Bytram> many thanks!!
[10:11:49] <Bytram> it'll probably need some work... it's my best attempt to communicate what I think I understand of what is going on... clarifications / corrections welcome!!!
[10:14:18] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ^^^ and, btw, that was my 5,800th story on the site! =) https://soylentnews.org
[10:14:25] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews: Hall of Fame
[10:15:10] <Bytram> Starting to lose some steam here, so think I'm going to go back to bed and try and get a bit more sleep.
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[10:28:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Black Holes Ruled Out as Universe's Missing Dark Matter - http://sylnt.us - still-might-be-made-of-missing-socks
[11:57:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bloomberg Claims That a Major U.S. Telecom Operated a Server Backdoored by a Hidden Chip - http://sylnt.us - he-said-she-said
[11:58:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, story updated
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[13:25:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Newly Detected Microquasar Gamma-Rays 'Call for New Ideas' - http://sylnt.us - cosmic-accelerators
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[14:13:57] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Hi! Thanks for the corrections! I reviewed them and made a couple small changes... would appreciate it if you could give it one more look?
[14:14:11] * Bytram never did get back to bed
[14:26:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, tweaking it a bit more. give me a few.
[14:26:59] <Bytram> nod nod... thanks!
[14:29:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> done. the comments and stories are going to remain in the db but anything old enough to be archived is going to be put in on-disk tables instead of the in-ram ones.
[14:30:00] <Bytram> journals? polls?
[14:30:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> and, yes, it looks like the bloody mod points query is taking too long to award points. probably because of the date comparison being done on every row.
[14:31:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> journals n polls can stay as-is. it will be a decade or more before they become a problem.
[14:31:29] <Bytram> how is it stored? as a unix_time time stamp (secoinds since epoch) or sone kind of string?
[14:31:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, slap a "Meta: " on the title if you would.
[14:31:40] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[14:32:08] <Bytram> I can never remember which nexus auto-preprend the nexus to the title.
[14:35:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg. it's going to be a pain to fix this nonsense. the first bit will be easy enough. just write new subs to pull from the on-disk tables and have them run from the ones that query the in-ram tables if the cid/stoid isn't found in that table.
[14:35:42] * Bytram added the "Meta:" ... if it comes out as "Meta: Meta:" it can easily be removed (after allowing for some off-topic discussion!)
[14:36:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> finding every bloody spot we query the stories/comments tables outside the main pulling subs is going to be the pain.
[14:36:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> slashd jobs and the like
[14:36:39] <chromas> What if you fix the db to not store everything in ram?
[14:36:45] * chromas smakes self
[14:36:52] <Bytram> that's what is gonna happenm
[14:36:59] <Bytram> or the plan, at least.
[14:37:05] <chromas> Well I mean, you shouldn't need another table
[14:37:53] <chromas> Normal DBs on only pull what they need into ram, instead of everything
[14:38:30] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah, hadn't thought about that. Seems all the more reason we should practice on dev before trying it live... let's at least enumerate all the places that will be hit and get a god handle on what's involved, and verifying afterwards that we got them all.
[14:38:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, mysql-cluster holds tables either entirely in ram or entirely on disk.
[14:39:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> on the individual table level
[14:39:08] <chromas> Sounds like a shitshow
[14:39:25] <Bytram> chromas: why be normal? ISTR that NC decided everything could be in-RAM and that would give us a performance boost at the time. Now is a different time.
[14:39:50] <chromas> Everything should be in ram. But it's so expensive
[14:39:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, i planned on that but we're still not going to find everything most likely. dev does not see the use prod does.
[14:40:05] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:40:29] <Bytram> you need a more recent story up there with some comments hanging off it? I can fire up my scripts if need be
[14:40:39] <Bytram> automation++
[14:40:39] <Bender> karma - automation: 4
[14:40:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh and could you add 5k or so users to dev so it will bog down when the mod points script runs?
[14:40:44] <chromas> needs millions of comments too
[14:41:02] <Bytram> how many we got now?
[14:41:07] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[14:41:14] <Bytram> hey!
[14:41:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> not as many as prod
[14:41:29] <Bytram> didn't you import a buncha IDs from prod when initializing dev?
[14:41:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[14:41:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> but this didn't start happening until recently, so...
[14:42:11] <Bytram> do it again, adding a prefix to the username... or is it going to barf on non-unique email addresses?
[14:42:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't know what all goes into adding a user. it's not just entries in the "users" table.
[14:42:52] <Bytram> that's for sure
[14:43:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> so it needs to be done by scripting post requests to the dev signup page.
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[14:46:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hurricane Michael now Category 4; has Become so Menacing that The Weather Channel Just Evacuated - http://sylnt.us - that-blows
[14:47:03] <Bytram> !uid
[14:47:03] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 7138, owned by Pm9166039gmail.com
[14:47:17] <Bytram> wow! We're up past 7K!
[14:47:19] <Bytram> !woop
[14:47:19] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[14:50:43] <Bytram> gorgeous day today, lotsa rain tomorrow... heading out to enjoy it while I can.
[14:50:55] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks for the help with the story!!!!
[14:51:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[14:51:00] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 327
[14:51:15] <Bytram> !karma Bytram
[14:51:15] <Bender> karma of bytram is 114
[14:51:19] <Bytram> !karma martyb
[14:51:19] <Bender> karma of martyb is 16
[14:51:28] * Bytram has his work cut out for him.
[14:51:33] <Bytram> laters!
[14:51:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> !karma chameleon
[14:51:52] <Bender> karma of chameleon is 14
[14:52:17] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders off in search of nicotine and vidya
[14:59:34] <Teckla> LOL @ karma chameleon
[15:06:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Meta: Site Performance Issues - We are Aware and are Making Plans - http://sylnt.us
[15:23:47] <Konomi> tea++
[15:23:48] <Bender> karma - tea: 598
[15:29:11] <pinchy> karma++
[15:29:11] <Bender> karma - karma: 19
[16:06:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> tea++
[16:06:14] <Bender> karma - tea: 599
[16:14:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrt++
[16:14:41] <Bender> karma - mrt: 1
[16:16:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> feels like nap time
[16:16:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> naps++
[16:16:06] <Bender> karma - naps: 89
[16:46:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pentagon's New Next-Generation Weapons Systems are Laughably Easy to Hack - http://sylnt.us - who's-aiming-that-thing,-anyhow?
[18:15:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Saturn's ‘Ring Rain’ is a Surprising Cocktail of Chemicals - http://sylnt.us - chemicals-in-the-water!
[18:52:20] <Bytram> story queue running dry... trying to push out some stories now
[19:09:19] <Bytram> #g wherefore art thou
[19:09:20] <MrPlow> https://www.merriam-webster.com - "Language is democratic—we vote with our words. Just as new words come into the language when we have new things to name or new concepts to describe, ..."
[19:09:21] <upstart> ^ 03What Does 'Wherefore Art Thou Romeo' Mean?
[19:28:00] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.instagram.com
[19:28:32] <Bytram> Figured as much. Oh well!
[19:48:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Leaked Transcript Contradicts Google's Denials About Censored Chinese Search Engine - http://sylnt.us - Dr.-Ian-Malcolm
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[21:26:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - TSMC Tapes Out Second-Generation "7nm" Chip Using EUV, Will Begin Risk Production of "5nm" in April - http://sylnt.us - wherefore-art-thou-Intel?
[23:06:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Joins OIN; Open-Sources its Patent Portfolio - http://sylnt.us - what's-the-catch
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[23:44:36] <FatPhil> In Flatland, are there "straight earthers" who believe the world is a straight line?
[23:45:21] <FatPhil> s/world/2D earth's surface/ obviously.
[23:49:22] <Bytram> FatPhil++ That's almost koan-worthy! Excellent!! Inasmuch as flatland was an effort to help a 3D being concieve of a 4D universe, you've taken it the *other* way!
[23:49:22] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 31
[23:53:43] <FatPhil> Bytram: credit is due to a rando off the internet, but I didn't like his wording, so reworked it. Original found via this: https://www.youtube.com
[23:53:45] <upstart> ^ 03Computing a Universe Simulation | Space Time
[23:58:00] <Bytram> FatPhil: nod nod
[23:59:41] <Bytram> though generally a *discrete* universe, if you will, testing is oftentimes just iterating thru a truthtable of many orthogonal values; IOW a journey through many dimensions! I can easily handle 4, 5, sometimes 6 or more dimensions in that realm.