#Soylent | Logs for 2018-09-27
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[00:04:06] <FatPhil> pretty sane article
[00:04:11] <Konomi> odd
[00:05:01] <Konomi> yeah but I hate the term fake news
[00:05:33] <Konomi> I find it to be an excuse for people not to critically examine information
[00:06:26] <Konomi> I take it when you check your process list there are actually multiple processes for Firefox right?
[00:06:37] <FatPhil> i take it as a wager. "I'm more reliable than them". Often the one who makes the wager is wrong.
[00:08:11] <FatPhil> 3 "browser"s and 3 "browserd"s presently (only one window open)
[00:09:14] <FatPhil> there is a parent/child relationship, so presumably some crash cascades through the whole tree
[00:10:25] <Konomi> rare hehe
[00:10:38] <Konomi> I haven't had Firefox crash for well can't recall
[00:10:55] <Konomi> I did make my profile fresh after xul went away though
[00:11:04] <Konomi> I figured that would be a good idea
[00:11:07] <FatPhil> 9 year old phone, here
[00:11:10] <Konomi> all the legacy cruft
[00:13:34] <FatPhil> on the desktop (such as it is, it's a 'mini" thing) I switched from FF to PM about 3 years ago. that seems to leak (possibly via plugins), so I forceably kill it once it starts killing the machine
[00:14:36] <FatPhil> PM's made the same retarded decisions (removal of features I consider essential) so both packages are being held at old versions
[00:15:45] <FatPhil> well, it's not just the making of the decision that's bad, it's the doubling down when hundreds of users complain immediately about the loss.
[00:16:44] <Konomi> as nice as xul was stuff like that I'd why webext was adopted
[00:16:57] <Konomi> xul had far more opportunities to mess up firefox
[00:18:27] <FatPhil> that it did, but I'm not sure any plugin scheme can ever be made bulletproof against shitty coding.
[00:18:46] <FatPhil> Sturgeon's Law, etx.
[00:19:00] <Konomi> probably not but it can get better
[00:19:03] <Bytram> FatPhil: If it could, then some variant of it should be used as part of an OS's kernel... amirite?
[00:19:25] <Konomi> I can vouch webext noscript has been a nightmare
[00:19:32] * Bytram just got caught up with scroll back... you all have been a bit chatty today!
[00:19:55] <Konomi> things really have gone down hill if this is what passes for chatty ~
[00:20:35] * Bytram just finished wortking his 6th day in a row... takes much less for me to get tired of reading, now.'
[00:20:39] <FatPhil> bytram - there was khtmld a decade or more back, so why not put a user agent in the kernel too!?
[00:20:54] * Bytram is apparently having a bit of a struggle with the typing, too
[00:21:25] <Bytram> o_O orly? that's kinda kewel, in a morbid kind of way
[00:21:34] <Konomi> hmm soylentnews doesn't look so great on a phone
[00:21:52] <Bytram> d... try *editing* stories on a phone.
[00:22:33] * Bytram has prolly posted about 20 stories from his phone over the past week to 10 days
[00:22:59] <Konomi> sorry I am betraying the soylentnews for hackernews on my phone
[00:23:26] <Bytram> huh? did not follow that one.
[00:23:47] <Konomi> ycombinator hackernews
[00:24:07] <Konomi> How we solved our office Wi-Fi problems (triplebyte.com)
[00:24:20] <Konomi> read this headline, think "cat5"
[00:24:26] <Bytram> nod nod... have heard of 'em, but what does that have to do with soyletnews vc hackernews
[00:24:56] <Bytram> cat5? You mean: Meeeeow Meeeeow Meeeeow Meeeeow Meeeeow?
[00:25:33] <Konomi> https://triplebyte.com
[00:25:34] <upstart> ^ 03How Triplebyte solved its office Wi-Fi problems
[00:25:44] <Konomi> literally do all they say at home
[00:25:59] <Konomi> yeah mew mew
[00:26:19] <Konomi> Bytram: their website scales well on phones
[00:26:43] <Bytram> that would be.. cat2 !! ;)
[00:27:23] <Bytram> yeah, TMB took a stab at doing it here, but we really need a CSS guru on board to get mobile layout to work right.
[00:27:49] <Konomi> it's not hard I've found
[00:29:01] <Konomi> viewport does wonders
[00:29:07] <Konomi> not even css
[00:29:13] <Bytram> well, if you ever have an interest in trying, I'm sure I would not be theonly one rooting for ya!
[00:29:54] <Konomi> I barely get time
[00:30:14] <Bytram> just one caveat: weonly use javascript in one place, for handing comment tree collapsing/expanding... otherwise you can use the entire site and all its capabilities (as a user) with absolutely no js
[00:30:27] <Konomi> mostly messing with python ATM and following up a lot of bug reports
[00:30:35] <Bytram> nod nod
[00:30:46] <Konomi> pip2 and pip3 have been quite the nightmare
[00:30:48] <Bytram> yes, time is in extremely short supply for me, as well
[00:31:30] * Bytram does not mind working long days, but would prefer they did not correlate with short nights
[00:32:25] <Konomi> I work part time two days a week
[00:32:43] <Konomi> but I have my fingers in so many projects ATM I run out of time anyway
[00:32:48] <Bytram> okaaaaay... /me is waiting for the 'catch'
[00:32:52] <Bytram> nod nod
[00:32:55] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.bbc.co.uk
[00:32:58] <upstart> ^ 03Wallace and Gromit inspire smart trousers ( www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/technology-45552016/the-hi-tech-trousers-inspired-by-wallace-and-gromit )
[00:33:10] <Bytram> #g the wrong trousers
[00:33:11] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "The Wrong Trousers is a 1993 British stop-motion animated short film directed by Nick Park at Aardman Animations, featuring his characters Wallace and Gromit."
[00:33:12] <upstart> ^ 03The Wrong Trousers - Wikipedia
[00:33:16] <Bytram> #yt the wrong trousers
[00:33:16] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[00:33:18] <upstart> ^ 03The Wrong Trousers - Train Chase - Wallace and Gromit
[00:33:22] <Konomi> this is the most I've chatted here and I am literally walking to work atm
[00:34:17] <Bytram> well, at least you have your priorities straight... 'cept watch for walking into lampposts and/or traffic
[00:34:49] <Konomi> footpath so all fine
[00:35:11] <Bytram> good god!
[00:35:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Long-Lost Letter Reveals Galileo's Attempt to Avoid the Inquisition - http://sylnt.us - somebody-expected-it
[00:35:16] <Bytram> ugh
[00:35:20] <Bytram> good good!
[00:35:40] * Bytram shakes more crumbs from his kbd and then wanders off to do the dishes
[00:35:43] <Bytram> biab
[00:36:21] <Bytram> Konomi: really nice chatting with ya... so glad you accepted the invite to come back!
[00:36:24] <Bytram> afk
[00:36:43] <Konomi> see you almost at work anyway
[00:51:28] <Bytram> Konomi: Hope you have a GREAT day!
[00:59:11] <Bytram> #g The Beatles
[00:59:11] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "The Beatles were an English rock band formed in Liverpool in 1960. With members John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison and Ringo Starr, they ..."
[00:59:13] <upstart> ^ 03The Beatles - Wikipedia
[01:02:42] <Bytram> #g ispace moon
[01:02:42] <MrPlow> https://ispace-inc.com - "ispace is a private lunar robotic exploration company that is developing micro-robotic technology to provide a low-cost and frequent transportation service to and ..."
[01:02:43] <upstart> ^ 03ispace
[01:52:16] <chromas> oh yeah, as Konomi mentioned, sticking <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1"> into the html header fixes a lot of stuff for mobile
[01:53:06] <chromas> by default, mobile browsers usually render to a large viewport then scale it down, instead of rendering for the display size, because dumb. Probably to make shitty sites work better since you can zoom
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[02:16:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Micron-Sized Calcium Silicate Spheres Can be Used to Make Stronger Concrete - http://sylnt.us
[03:20:12] <chromas> https://www.mirror.co.uk
[03:46:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Kids as Young as 7 are Finding Ingenious Ways Around Apple's Screen Time Controls - http://sylnt.us
[05:17:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Earthquake Fear Ends Dutch Gas Boom - http://sylnt.us - 2030?
[06:55:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Announces a New Standalone VR Headset: Oculus Quest; HTC Releases Vive Wireless Adapter - http://sylnt.us - the-goggles,-they-do...-Oh,-WOW!
[07:07:05] <FatPhil> chromas: never heard of this 'viewport' thing - how does it work?
[07:08:31] <FatPhil> ah, html5, no wonder I've not heard of it
[07:16:52] <chromas> I think the viewport is the virtual 'window' it renders the page into. For mobile, the default seems to be a desktop-sized viewport, which gets scaled down to fit the screen. Setting the scale to 1 makes it screen-sized to start with, so you don't get tiny text
[07:17:42] <Konomi> that's in fact what I meant and the exact line I use
[07:18:33] <chromas> https://developer.mozilla.org
[07:18:33] <upstart> ^ 03Using the viewport meta tag to control layout on mobile browsers
[07:22:07] <Konomi> I do wonder why it was ever needed though
[07:22:20] <Konomi> mobile browsers just seem to do dumb shit
[07:22:44] <chromas> it's the webscale 3.11 for workgroups. everything dumb by default
[07:23:16] <boru> Any calvados drinkers here?
[07:23:21] <chromas> Probably for retarded web devs who think they're doing desktop publishing
[07:23:30] <Konomi> no I drink tea
[07:23:35] <chromas> I dunno what that is, but I can pretend for $5
[07:23:40] <boru> I'm trying to buy a gift for someone, and NFI where to start with it.
[07:24:00] <Konomi> buy them socks
[07:28:05] <Konomi> time to drown out all the people talking on their mobiles with music from my mobile
[07:28:07] <Konomi> irony
[07:28:18] <Konomi> (no not speaker ear buds)
[07:28:30] * Konomi is not a rude person
[07:29:56] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[07:29:58] <upstart> ^ 03Too Many People (2001 Remastered Version)
[07:30:24] <Konomi> https://mobile.twitter.com
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[07:30:41] <chromas> apparently bot doesn't like the twatter
[07:30:54] <Konomi> "Ugggghhh. Facebook confirms what @kashhill
[07:30:55] <Konomi> reported: Facebook is taking phone numbers given to them for two factor authentication and using them for ad targeting. Gross and completely irresponsible."
[07:30:56] <chromas> Range violation
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[07:32:53] <Konomi> not surprising since mobile Twitter doesn't even have a title tag
[07:33:14] <Konomi> the mobile site is pretty good in other ways
[07:34:38] <chromas> Must be the lack of meta tags. It uses those first because the title's usually better
[07:34:50] <Konomi> https://reactjs.org they entirely use this I believe
[07:34:51] <upstart> ^ 03React – A JavaScript library for building user interfaces
[07:35:35] <Konomi> basically it pops elements into the dom
[07:35:45] <chromas> ugh
[07:35:47] <Konomi> it's cool but at the same time weird
[07:35:57] <chromas> I can see doing that to load more, but the initial content should all be there to start with
[07:36:06] <Konomi> I'm not sure how to feel about it
[07:36:32] <Konomi> sorta but mobile browsers are crap so you can see the rationale for it
[07:36:59] <chromas> Part of their crap-ness is letting websites do dumb shit though, like disable zooming
[07:37:51] <Konomi> I feel like at the same time they do it a bit badly
[07:37:57] <chromas> Plus if mobile browsers suck, then you'll totally want to install the app, which is just a wrapper around the mobile site
[07:38:06] <Konomi> it seems to pop tweets into your current window position
[07:38:15] <Konomi> instead of one after another
[07:39:10] <chromas> To keep the newest at the top?
[07:40:17] <Konomi> don't know it's hard to tell if it's firefox or not
[07:41:34] <Konomi> seems like they do it on purpose chrome does the same thing
[07:43:29] <chromas> They should just use rss
[07:43:42] <chromas> let the browser figure out where to put the comments
[07:57:39] <Konomi> sweet sweet freedom
[07:58:59] <chromas> People gone?
[07:59:05] <Konomi> yeah cause at home now
[07:59:13] <Konomi> not on public transport awful crap
[07:59:51] <chromas> Someone should invent buses with stalls
[08:34:46] <chromas> "Imagine if XML was written in K&R [style]"
[08:36:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Bill Modernizing Music Royalties Only Needs the President's Signature - http://sylnt.us - British-Invasion's-royalties
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[10:06:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study: Minimum Wage Increases in Six US Cities are Working as Intended - http://sylnt.us - some-wages-went-up
[10:13:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:13:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4330
[10:40:54] <FatPhil> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[10:40:56] * exec mistakenly crams an anvil of turkey burger into TheMightyBuzzard
[10:41:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday FatPhil
[10:41:06] * exec unnecessarily flicks a socket of wifi poisoning at FatPhil
[10:41:16] <FatPhil> that explains a lot
[10:47:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[10:47:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[10:47:55] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 663
[10:48:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, no
[10:48:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break then coffee+vidya. if i spend my coffee time on the computer today i won't have time for any vidya.
[10:53:29] <chromas> https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com
[10:53:31] <upstart> ^ 03How to Build a Low-tech Website?
[10:53:51] <chromas> This is in a sub. I get a colored—I mean overlay of color. It's weird
[10:55:04] <chromas> Doesn't fill to the top though. It says "76%" so that must be the amount of screen it occupies for some reason
[10:56:29] <chromas> Looking at the footer, I guess it represents the battery state
[11:07:33] <chromas> Subs bucket is trash and there's no news. Must be time for an aristarchus sub :D
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[11:15:48] <chromas> =submit https://techcrunch.com
[11:15:49] <upstart> Submitting "Russian hackers ‘Fancy Bear’ now targeting governments with rootkit malware"...
[11:16:11] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[11:16:55] <chromas> =submit http://www.eweek.com
[11:16:57] <upstart> Submitting "Adobe Relaunches CX Platform, Will Contribute Code to Open Source"...
[11:17:18] <upstart> Submit failed: Something's fucky.
[11:17:45] <chromas> #smake rehash
[11:17:45] * MrPlow smakes rehash upside the head with a medium trout
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[11:28:19] <chromas> Looks like asking for a new reskey doesn't give a new one without waiting a bit
[11:28:23] <chromas> #smake rehash
[11:28:23] * MrPlow smakes rehash upside the head with smoked ribs
[11:46:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sony Allows Crossplay with Other Consoles on the Playstation - http://sylnt.us - happens-once-a-fortnite
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[12:53:31] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:53:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4331
[12:57:50] <Bytram> #g IBM 4331
[12:57:51] <MrPlow> https://www-03.ibm.com - "The IBM 4331 Processor announced today features advanced large-scale integration technology to provide new and intermediate system users with significantly ..."
[12:57:51] <upstart> ^ 03IBM Archives: 4331 Processor
[12:58:01] <Bytram> =)
[13:02:20] <Bytram> ^^^ "First customer shipments of the 4331 are scheduled to begin in the second quarter of 1979."
[13:02:57] <Bytram> The capabilities, capacities, and prices (compared to today's technology) are eye-opening.
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[13:08:13] <Bytram> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[13:08:16] <upstart> Submitting "After century of removing appendixes, docs find antibiotics can be enough"...
[13:08:38] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
[13:13:59] <Bytram> break time
[13:27:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How to Build and Host an Energy Efficient Web Site - http://sylnt.us - hope-we-don't-drain-the-battery
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[15:05:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mitsubishi Recalls 68,000 SUVs Over Bad Software - http://sylnt.us - at-least-it's-not-total
[15:57:39] <pinchy> bad software?? is that such a thing?
[15:59:01] <hopdevil> when you have to describe it in 3 letter words, ya
[16:01:27] <hopdevil> good software is a myth
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[16:46:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Former NSA Employee Nghia Pho Sentenced to 66 Months in Prison for Retention of Documents and Code - http://sylnt.us - me-and-my-shadow...brokers
[17:05:57] <Konomi> https://www.gizmodo.com.au
[17:05:58] <upstart> ^ 03Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information
[17:11:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> Konomi: ....like anyone who pays attention is surprised that FB is doing this?
[17:15:55] <Konomi> not surprised but seeing it confirmed is another thing
[17:18:34] <Konomi> one of the more nasty parts
[17:18:36] <Konomi> "The researchers also found that if User A, whom we’ll call Anna, shares her contacts with Facebook, including a previously unknown phone number for User B, whom we’ll call Ben, advertisers will be able to target Ben with an ad using that phone number, which I call “shadow contact information,” about a month later. Ben can’t access his shadow contact information, because that would violate
[17:18:42] <Konomi> Anna’s privacy, according to Facebook, so he can’t see it or delete it, and he can’t keep advertisers from using it either"
[17:22:28] <hopdevil> from an advertiser perspective that doesnt seem super valuable
[17:22:58] <hopdevil> Anna shared Ben's info, yup..
[17:23:58] <hopdevil> maybe if I name it something scary like "Shadow contact information" people will be more terrified
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[17:39:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, just got gmail's new UI forced on me. it blows goats.
[17:43:05] * TheMightyBuzzard switches to plain html view and fucks off for a nap
[17:44:58] <mechanicjay> I'm shocked as fuck that TheMightyBuzzard does web-mail.
[17:45:23] <hopdevil> and gmail to boot
[17:45:43] * AndyTheAbsurd shrugs
[17:45:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> It's less horrible than Google Inbox was
[17:46:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> And it's not my cup of tea but I haven't found it to be any less functional, either.
[17:46:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, it's handy for when i'm on the road. i didn't get a cell phone until about four years ago.
[17:48:02] <mechanicjay> We're on corporate gmail for work. Thank the Maker they're still supporting IMAP connections.
[17:48:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly it's just a garbage can though. given out to folks i don't want to have an address i enjoy checking.
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[18:26:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Spots Opportunity as the Dust Storm Clears; Still No Word from Her Though - http://sylnt.us - the-answer-is-blowin'-in-the-wind
[18:26:55] <chromas> HoTMaiL and Yahoo! mail support IMAP (without $) too now
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[20:07:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook is Giving Advertisers Access to Your Shadow Contact Information - http://sylnt.us - shadow-file-brokers
[20:23:50] <Azrael>
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[20:24:13] <chromas> #BotAssault
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[20:33:41] <chromas> Today I learned VirusTotal is an Alphabet service
[20:33:55] <chromas> Dammit Google stop fingering all the pies!
[21:17:17] <chromas> =submit https://www.thescinewsreporter.com
[21:17:19] <upstart> Submitting "Nasa Wants To Probe Deeper Into Uranus Than Ever Before"...
[21:17:41] <upstart> Sub-ccess! https://soylentnews.org
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[21:45:26] <FatPhil> https://www.bbc.co.uk
[21:45:30] <upstart> ^ 03Tesla's Elon Musk accused of fraud
[21:46:20] * chromas adds that link to sub
[21:48:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - After Century of Removing Appendixes, Docs Find Antibiotics Can be Enough - http://sylnt.us - now...on-to-the-tables-of-content
[21:52:23] <chromas> Soon we can hack 'n' crack satellites https://www.geekwire.com
[21:52:24] <upstart> ^ 03Iridium plans to launch CloudConnect satellite IoT system in partnership with Amazon Web Services
[23:17:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Bird Flu Viruses in Ducks After Vaccines Largely Prevented H7N9 in Chickens - http://sylnt.us
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[23:49:38] <mrpg> If a square is not a square, is it called a square nonetheless?
[23:49:44] <mrpg> What if it is round?
[23:49:55] <chromas> Rounds can be square
[23:50:06] <mrpg> how come?
[23:50:18] <chromas> Steve Jobs said so
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[23:57:23] <mrpg> In Spanish a square is a plaza. Take that FOX NEWS!!!!!
[23:57:49] <mrpg> Be bach in a minuet.