#Soylent | Logs for 2018-09-12
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[00:06:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Fiber: A "Successful Failure"? - http://sylnt.us - depends-on-your-definition
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[00:53:37] <chromas> windows--
[00:53:37] <Bender> karma - windows: -23
[00:54:14] <chromas> How many places to autostart programs does Windows have?
[00:54:20] <chromas> Trick question! Nobody knows
[01:46:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Marijuana Use Among Pregnant Women is Rising, and So Are Concerns - http://sylnt.us - get-high-on-life
[01:46:54] <chromas> If alcohol doesn't affect 'em, neither should marihuana
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[02:02:18] <Bytram> chromas: ISTR a windows utility by by sysinternals that listed all your startup programs and services
[02:03:22] <Bytram> I *think* this is the one: https://docs.microsoft.com
[02:03:23] <upstart> ^ 03Autoruns for Windows - Windows Sysinternals
[02:09:10] <Bytram> "This utility, which has the most comprehensive knowledge of auto-starting locations of any startup monitor, shows you what programs are configured to run during system bootup or login, and when you start various built-in Windows applications like Internet Explorer, Explorer and media players. These programs and drivers include ones in your startup folder, Run, RunOnce, and other Registry keys. Autoruns reports Explorer shell extensions,
[02:09:10] <Bytram> toolbars, browser helper objects, Winlogon notifications, auto-start services, and much more. Autoruns goes way beyond other autostart utilities."
[02:09:37] <chromas> Seems like the type of thing they should build into Windows
[02:09:55] <chromas> It could be in any one of 4 or 5 different control panels
[02:10:09] <chromas> Thanks foe the link
[02:10:09] <chromas> Bytram++
[02:10:09] <Bender> karma - bytram: 103
[02:10:16] <Bytram> well, MS *bought* sysinternals, and have been supporting it ever since... so that's a start, right?
[02:10:27] * Bytram just noticed that his copy was out-of-date
[02:10:30] <Bytram> hth
[02:11:04] <chromas> As much disk space as Windows takes up, it should have all MS products pre-installed
[02:11:39] <Bytram> didn't MS have to major work to github to get all their sources to fit and be also somewhat performant?
[02:13:33] <chromas> Probably. I recall reading they wanted to buy github
[02:13:56] <chromas> https://news.microsoft.com
[02:13:58] <upstart> ^ 03Microsoft to acquire GitHub for $7.5 billion - Stories
[02:14:47] <chromas> No wonder everyone's fleeing to gitlab. Well, that and ingsocjus
[02:15:56] <Bytram> chromas: have you been taking typoing lessons from cmn32480
[02:16:26] <chromas> oh
[02:16:29] <chromas> s/$/./
[02:16:31] <exec> <chromas> oh.
[02:17:06] <Bytram> #g ingsocjus
[02:17:06] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Ingsoc is the fictional political party of the totalitarian government of Oceania in George Orwell's Dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. Contents. 1 Fictional ..."
[02:17:07] <upstart> ^ 03Ingsoc - Wikipedia
[02:18:01] <chromas> Then just add https://www.urbandictionary.com
[02:18:02] <upstart> ^ 03Urban Dictionary: SocJus
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[03:17:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 10 Reasons Linux Gamers Might Want To Pass On The NVIDIA RTX 20 Series - http://sylnt.us - top-ten-list
[04:02:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> 8008135++
[04:02:30] <Bender> karma - 8008135: 100
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[04:56:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bring Back the Headphone Jack: Why USB-C Audio Still Doesn't Work - http://sylnt.us - they-can't-hear-you
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[06:36:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New York's Free LinkNYC Internet Kiosks May Be Tracking Your Movements - http://sylnt.us - track-the-planet!
[07:00:38] <FatPhil> ~submit https://www.hollywoodreporter.com
[07:00:43] <exec> error: title not found or empty
[07:01:03] <FatPhil> #submit https://www.hollywoodreporter.com
[07:01:04] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[07:01:29] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[07:01:31] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[07:26:23] <chromas> https://i.imgur.com
[08:02:58] <chromas> https://terminallance.com
[08:02:59] <upstart> ^ 03Terminal Lance #330 "Staff NCO Dreams"
[08:16:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Galaxy Collision Creates Ring of Black Holes and Neutron Stars - http://sylnt.us - </>
[09:08:07] <Bytram> coffee++
[09:08:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4288
[09:08:23] * Bytram has no idea what he is doing up this early in the morning
[09:08:37] <chromas> incrementing
[09:10:19] <Bytram> incrementing++
[09:10:19] <Bender> karma - incrementing: 1
[09:47:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - It's Been 5 Years Already, Let's Gawp at Microsoft and Nokia's Bloodbath - http://sylnt.us
[09:48:57] <chromas> According to the dictionaries, gawp == gawk. Time to start up Gawper Media
[09:49:24] <boru> Gawk is also GNU's implementation of Awk.
[09:55:51] * chromas feeds the GNU a regex
[11:09:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, that png did make me laugh audibly
[11:09:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas++
[11:09:32] <Bender> karma - chromas: 218
[11:16:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amazon is Stuffing its Search Results Pages With Ads - http://sylnt.us - arms-race
[11:42:57] <boru> Aren't amazone's results pages effectively already ads for various products?
[11:43:03] <boru> Amazon, even.
[11:53:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> i thought they were outright sales pages, which are even more commercial than an ad
[12:09:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> I think ads are more commercial than sales pages. Ads are like commercial-ception: Someone has sold an ad slot so that the advertiser can attempt to sell you something.
[12:09:39] <boru> The web is the worst thing to happen to the Internet.
[12:09:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> And I work in an industry that goes one layer deeper: We're trying to sell you a newspaper in which we've sold ad slots so that advertisers can sell you stuff!
[12:09:51] <boru> What started out as the information superhighway has become an abomination.
[12:10:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> Greed got a hold of it, and it was all downhill from there.
[12:13:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, i thought you were selling me a cheap source of initial fuel every sunday to get my kindling started.
[12:14:07] * TheMightyBuzzard actually does buy sunday papers and doesn't read a word of them
[12:14:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> you should check if it's cheaper to subscribe.
[12:14:24] <AndyTheAbsurd> It is here.
[12:15:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> We've got pretty regular subscription sales where you can subscribe to Sunday-only, which gives you free access to the e-edition every day, for cheaper than subscribing to the e-edition alone.
[12:17:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i probably should. i was going to look into it but i found a 500' roll of some kind of thin brown paper for a little bit of nothing and haven't used it up yet.
[12:57:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The New American "Dream" Job is Pretty Dull - http://sylnt.us - buy-the-numbers
[14:27:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why Do People Share Conspiracy Theories and Fake News? Maybe It's the Human “Need for Chaos” - http://sylnt.us - That's-what-they-WANT-you-to-think
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[15:57:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why Politicizing Open Source is a Terrible Idea - http://sylnt.us - No-sir,-I-don't-like-it
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[17:28:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Military Now Has Tooth Mics For Invisible, Hands-Free Radio Calls - http://sylnt.us - puns-about-Bluetooth-or-something
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[19:05:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - EU Copyright Directive Passes; "Terrorist Content" Regulation Proposed; Astroturfing? - http://sylnt.us - Get-a-Load-of-EU
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[20:09:43] <FatPhil> Nah, I take it back, Lua is a shit language.
[20:12:13] <FatPhil> Decided to port a perl script to it, because perl was unacceptibly slow, and it's exploding in size and requires doing some jobs effectively twice - one to detect that a string has the info you require (which can be in an if), and then another to extract the info by hunting for it again, because that requires assignment, which can't be in ifs/whiles.
[20:15:54] <chromas> Port it to D :)
[20:18:54] <chromas> Assignment can't be in ifs/whiles? What even is the point then?
[20:20:17] <takyon> I'll take "Features you take for granted" for $400
[20:21:00] <chromas> I dunno enough about what you're doing, but this seems to contradict my interpretation of it https://www.lua.org
[20:21:02] <upstart> ^ 03Programming in Lua : 4.3.1
[20:24:20] <FatPhil> if (a,b = setting:match("^--(%w)=(%w)")) then settings[a]=b end
[20:25:56] <FatPhil> you're looking for assignment in thens, which is where statements are allowed. foo=bar() is not an expression, it's a statement
[20:27:25] <chromas> Ah, I see. Well, to quote the opendesktop guys, why would you want to do that? :D
[20:29:06] <FatPhil> exactly the response from the #lua channel
[20:32:46] <FatPhil> I mentioned something like it being a common paradigm in every other imperative language I'm familiar with, and even LISP.
[20:33:07] <FatPhil> their response was "there's shit code everywhere".
[20:33:48] <FatPhil> I then pointed to some examples of them using twice as many lines to do exactly the same sequence of operations in their own manuals.
[20:34:40] <FatPhil> (and achieving three times the indentation as you always had to do else, then grab the values, then start a new if, rather than doing an elseif like any sane language would do.
[20:34:47] <chromas> What if they prefer clarity of cleverity?
[20:34:56] <chromas> s/f/ver/3
[20:34:58] <exec> <chromas> What if they prefer clarity over cleverity?
[20:35:20] <FatPhil> theirs, with its fake deep hierarchy was less readable.
[20:35:22] <chromas> You can never have too many indentations
[20:36:42] <FatPhil> apparently, if you subscribe to the cult of lua
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[21:36:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Plex is Shutting Down its Personal Cloud Streaming Service - http://sylnt.us - did-they-find-the-silver-lining?
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[22:16:51] <kilobyte> hi! Interesting shitstorm in Python: https://github.com https://bugs.python.org
[22:16:53] <upstart> ^ 03bpo-34605: Avoid master/slave terms by vstinner · Pull Request #9101 · python/cpython
[22:16:55] <upstart> ^ 03Issue 34605: Avoid master/slave terminology - Python tracker
[22:17:33] <chromas> They're doing it again? Is it a ThisTimeLastYear bot or something?
[22:17:38] <kilobyte> :/
[22:18:29] <chromas> lol, merges based on language bs...."I'm wasn't 100% sure between "childs" and "children". Sorry, english is not my first language."
[22:18:36] <kilobyte> started 5 days ago
[22:19:26] <chromas> I'm pretty sure it happened a couple years ago too. It's probably Russian bots…no wait, Chinese bots. We were always at war with Chinese bots
[22:19:39] <kilobyte> "PetteriAimonen: ... merged into python:master"
[22:20:03] <chromas> Are they going to do anything about the Whitespace Privilege in Python?
[22:20:35] <kilobyte> kind of resembles Debian's weboob, but drastically stupider and handled with orders of magnitude less maturity (and considering that kerfuffle, it's an accomplishment)
[22:20:44] <kilobyte> heh
[22:21:33] <kilobyte> (and weboob is still there, unremoved)
[22:21:35] <chromas> Debian's complaining about weboob? ♬ it's the end of the world as we know it ♬
[22:24:02] <kilobyte> a good analysis by one of weboob's contributors, predating the drama by 5 years: http://laurent.bachelier.name
[22:24:03] <upstart> ^ 03Weboob, the Asshole Detector | Code Penguin
[22:27:26] <chromas> I wish weboob or aqbanking had any amount of documentation. Skrooge > KMyMoney. Except the dashboard sucks
[22:57:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Vodafone Tells Hacked Customers with "1234" Password to Pay Back Money - http://sylnt.us - Czech-your-password
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