#soylent | Logs for 2018-05-09
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[00:05:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Illusion of Control in Web Design - http://sylnt.us - ain't-no-control
[01:28:41] <Ellenor> chromas: edging is pretty fun tho >///>
[01:29:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye
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[01:46:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Drive.ai Launches Autonomous Taxi Route in Dallas - http://sylnt.us - more-like-a-very-small-bus-route
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[03:17:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Netgear Launches Modem-Router Combination With Mesh Wi-Fi - http://sylnt.us - a-mesh-of-WiFi-like-a-flock-of-birds
[04:13:07] <Bytram> So far, so good. Looks like lithium and sodium have successfully completed their reboots.
[04:14:20] <Bytram> ~time x
[04:14:21] <exec> Wednesday, 9 May 2018 @ 4:14 am UTC - Coordinated Universal Time
[04:18:25] <Bytram> with that, it's time for some shuteye. Have a great night everyone!
[04:26:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Soylentnews Server Reboot Schedule May 5-10 [Update 3] - http://sylnt.us
[04:46:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Discovery of Gene of Extra Chromosome Boosts Zebra Finch Biology - http://sylnt.us - extra-pair-of-jeans
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[06:15:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Research Rebrands as Google AI - http://sylnt.us - as-opposed-to-natural-stupidity
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[08:07:27] <SoyGuest59440> wtf?! why am i a soyguest?
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[08:08:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> stupid znc
[08:08:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> stupid hotwings. things need to not wake me up at two freakin thirty in the morning.
[08:09:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> servers all came up though so ima flip over and play vidya till it's a decent hour.
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[08:11:54] <boru> I've been playing Planetside 2 again, recently. Having good fun with the outfit I'm currently with.
[08:15:52] <SoyGuest11770> It wasn't znc
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[08:18:22] <SoyGuest50218> #smake atheme
[08:18:22] * MrPlow smakes atheme upside the head with chocolate covered banana
[08:24:19] <SoyGuest50218> I identify as a sasl user. That makes me a minority, but atheme doesn't respect my preferred nick. This is what oppression looks like.
[08:25:21] <boru> That has nothing to do with SASL.
[08:25:35] <boru> Sounds more like you need an autoghost script of some description.
[08:31:06] <SoyGuest50218> I identify with sasl instead of nickserv but that service wasn't running when I connected this time
[08:32:20] * SoyGuest50218 hunts for password
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[08:39:10] <boru> Ah, saslserv hadn't started?
[08:39:17] <boru> Then yeah, that is annoying.
[08:39:23] <boru> Though, it seemed to work for me, which is odd.
[08:39:59] <boru> What auth mechanism are you using?
[08:40:07] <boru> I'm using external with certfp.
[08:40:20] <Ellenor> fuck
[08:40:29] <Ellenor> boru: I alternate between external and plain
[08:40:44] <boru> I don't believe fuck is a valid mechanism, as per the RFC.
[08:41:31] <Ellenor> It can be if you build it lol
[08:41:36] <boru> I think the irssi client implementation is half-arsed, so you can't do the EC/DHE challenge.
[08:42:01] <boru> So, it's either plain or external for me. External+certfp is a happy medium, though you can't really trust NIST and their shitty curves.
[08:42:56] <boru> It's secp256k1 in the RFC, iirc.
[08:43:03] <boru> Man, I really need more coffee.
[08:43:20] * SoyGuest50218 uses squircle encryption
[08:47:25] <Ellenor> "squircle"
[08:47:28] <Ellenor> commit suicide. now.
[08:47:46] <SoyGuest50218> Is cancer okay?
[08:47:58] * SoyGuest50218 jobs
[08:49:29] * boru chuckles.
[08:50:50] <SoyGuest50218> A squcircle is almost like a rounded rectangle, but the sides never quite become straight. These important aesthetics are the reasons why Apple is number one
[08:54:55] <SoyGuest50218> https://www.ghacks.net
[08:55:43] <SoyGuest50218> Finally! We've all been waiting for this. Now if only they could get ctrl-backspace to work in the simple text edit control
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[09:26:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Performance Analysis of Cloud Applications - http://sylnt.us - how-fast-can-we-pedal
[09:58:47] <boru> I've been trying to replace a hard copy of this for the better part of two decades, and it finally arrived: https://i.imgur.com
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[10:12:01] <boru> Ah, as I remember, what great flames it has: "Forth tends to act as a programmer amplifier. Good programmers become exceptional when programming in Forth. Excellent programmers can become phenomenal. Mediocre programmers generate code that works. Bad programmers go back to programming in other languages."
[10:39:28] <fyngyrz_> it's because among other things, it actually promotes an understanding of the stack. If you can't really grasp the stack well, you'll never be able to do much in forth. :)
[10:39:39] <fyngyrz_> oh hey, I'm not me. Bah.
[10:39:42] <fyngyrz_> brb
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[10:40:16] <fyngyrz> {poop}
[10:40:16] <fungus> 💩
[10:40:26] <fyngyrz> funny, the bot didn't get knocked off
[10:57:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Breakthrough Listen Expands CSIRO Parkes Radio Telescope Survey to Encompass Millions of Stars - http://sylnt.us - my-what-a-big-ear-you-have
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[11:34:44] <boru> Yeah, RPN seems to be a tough concept for infix programmers.
[11:34:50] <boru> Initially, at least.
[11:56:35] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:56:35] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4101
[11:58:51] <boru> 1 coffee + .
[12:00:46] <Bytram> boru: I went to school with the author -- very smart guy.
[12:02:23] <boru> Did you really? That's pretty neat!
[12:02:45] <Bytram> Unless I am mistaken (though i doubt it)...
[12:03:15] <Bytram> IIRC, he was one of the very few who had a computer... a Commodore Pet!
[12:04:42] <boru> What luxury.
[12:04:44] <Bytram> yep, that's him all right!
[12:05:32] <Bytram> https://upload.wikimedia.org
[12:06:07] <fyngyrz> You people and your late-era computers. :)
[12:07:15] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[12:07:16] <upstart> ^ 03Commodore PET - Wikipedia
[12:08:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Soylentnews Server Reboot Schedule May 5-10 [Update 4] - http://sylnt.us
[12:08:52] * Bytram recalls that Phil's commodore pet was one of the earliest models... IIRC, it had a whopping 4K of memory.
[12:09:03] <fyngyrz> Luxury!
[12:09:46] <Bytram> And that keyboard? I think they were referring to that when the MBP's new design was being considered by Apple. ;)
[12:09:54] <fyngyrz> lol - agree
[12:10:10] <Bytram> a chuckle in the morning is a GREAT way to start the day!
[12:10:15] <fyngyrz> any macbook, for that matter. Worst keyboards in the world
[12:10:26] <fyngyrz> and I say that as a mcbook owner
[12:10:31] <fyngyrz> macbook, even
[12:10:31] <Bytram> ouch.
[12:12:05] <fyngyrz> as a typist, they suck. Reliability-wise, they suck. Keycap legend durability, they suck. Ease of replicability, they suck. Other than that, they're great, though.
[12:12:53] <Bytram> #yt spam monty
[12:12:53] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[12:12:54] <upstart> ^ 03Monty Python - Spam - YouTube
[12:12:57] <fyngyrz> I go through a good keyboard on the desktop in about a year.
[12:13:05] <fyngyrz> I can kill a macbook keyboard in a month.
[12:13:13] <Bytram> ya gads man! what do you DO to em?
[12:13:24] <fyngyrz> I have, I think, four replacements in stock
[12:13:36] <fyngyrz> I type. A lot. :)
[12:13:39] <Bytram> well, that sounds like a good idea based on your past experience
[12:14:05] <Bytram> well, not so much how *much* you type, but how *hard* you pound those keys?
[12:14:59] <fyngyrz> I edit science fiction and throw business letters around a lot, I write code pretty much all day, I blog, I natter on Soylent, Slashdot, and Reddit, and have skype, Slack, Ryverr and IRC running. :)
[12:15:01] * Bytram would love to find a mechanical kbd, very quiet click, with *extremely* light pressure keyswitches
[12:15:14] <fyngyrz> No, I'm pretty reasonable in terms of key hits
[12:15:17] <Bytram> oh well then, carry on!
[12:15:35] <Bytram> fyngyrz: btw, do you, by chance, edit fantasy novels, too?
[12:15:37] <fyngyrz> and the typos... my god, the typos
[12:16:05] <fyngyrz> From time to time I do, but I have a particular strength in catching typical author proiblems with SF
[12:16:12] <fyngyrz> my agency does handle fantasy
[12:16:16] <Bytram> understood... pm?
[12:16:19] <fyngyrz> sure
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[12:35:06] <AndyTheAbsurd> SpaySex.
[12:55:11] <boru> One of the Cherry switches out to work for you.
[12:55:24] <boru> Personally, I don't find the blue or clear switches to be all that loud.
[12:55:31] <boru> Then again, I don't bottom them out.
[12:55:41] <boru> I probably make more noise on my brown switches.
[12:56:44] <Bytram> yeah, I live alone, but have been know to program very late/early, so don't want a model m rattling off
[12:56:57] <Bytram> and, my arms are getting older, so the lighter the touch, the better
[12:57:03] * boru nods.
[12:57:41] <boru> I'd say that, having gone from brown switches to blue/clear, it took a bit of getting used to having that extra travel and force.
[12:57:49] <boru> I still use brown switches at home, but blues at work.
[12:57:56] <boru> And clears.
[12:58:18] <boru> On that note, I can highly recommend the vortex race 3 tklmkb.
[12:58:57] <Bytram> not familiar with that brand
[12:59:22] <boru> https://i.imgur.com
[12:59:25] <boru> That's it.
[12:59:45] <boru> I've got the model with the blue switches, and an ISO layout.
[13:03:41] <boru> Though their ISO layout comes with ANSI keycaps, silly billies.
[13:05:07] <Bytram> clicky
[13:05:16] <Bytram> gack!
[13:05:31] <boru> It's a very comfortable keyboard to type with, I must say.
[13:05:47] <boru> And tlk is a requirement for me these days.
[13:06:28] <Bytram> no physical spacing between the F-key groups, no 10-key pad, and well... it just ain't a 104/5 key keyboard... and look at that HUGE enter key?!
[13:06:42] <Bytram> tlk?
[13:06:56] <boru> Err, tkl -- tenkeyless.
[13:07:00] * Bytram was being intentionally over-the-top in that earlier comment - no offense intended
[13:07:03] <Bytram> oh.
[13:07:05] <Bytram> k
[13:07:11] <boru> I couldn't do without my giant return key.
[13:07:19] <Bytram> fair 'nuf
[13:07:31] <Bytram> horses for courses
[13:07:34] <boru> Aye.
[13:07:53] * Bytram could do *with* such a large enter key -- is nice that we can both find what we like/want
[13:08:08] <Bytram> *couldn't do
[13:08:19] <Bytram> okay... need a break... biab
[13:29:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> oooh... that's a nice keyboard.
[13:29:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> I could do with the arrow keys being behind a Fn modifier instead of what that one's got, though.
[13:30:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> Fn-[WASD] or Fn-[IJKL] would be fine.
[13:40:32] <boru> Yeah, they have another model with that, iirc.
[13:40:54] <boru> I'd be happy with either, in fact, though hjkl would be prefered.
[13:47:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> Some time back, I found an article about using an Arduino (or similar/compatible) for a DIY keyboard where you could build your own layout.
[13:47:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> Unfortunately I did not bookmark it, and have been unable to find it again.
[13:56:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Walmart to Limit Initial Acute Opioid Prescriptions at Pharmacies - http://sylnt.us - step-in-the-right-direction
[14:07:07] <boru> I was just flaming AVR on another net.
[14:07:17] <boru> The sooner it dies as an ISA, the better. It's hanging around like a bad smell.
[14:07:32] <boru> It is not fit for _any_ purpose.
[14:07:48] <boru> Actually, it is fit to serve as an example of how to not design an ISA.
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[15:00:21] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.rt.com
[15:00:23] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[15:00:48] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[15:00:49] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[15:36:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Breakthrough Starshot Faces Material Science and Engineering Challenges - http://sylnt.us - new-type-of-sailing-vessel
[15:43:30] <Runaway1956> #submit https://alexandreviau.net
[15:43:31] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[15:43:56] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[15:43:57] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
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[17:01:47] <Runaway1956> Need a laugh? http://fatpita.net
[17:01:48] <upstart> ^ 03fatpita.net • funny random pictures
[17:02:12] <Runaway1956> The laughs are gratis, but please don't take it if you don't need it.
[17:06:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ChromeOS Gains the Ability to Run Linux Applications - http://sylnt.us - playing-in-the-sandbox
[17:06:59] <SoyGuest50218> Wouldn't get that far. CPS would scoop up the kids after step 1.
[17:16:50] <alexbst> Alas Wimminz died.
[17:17:54] <alexbst> better yet get a white van and paint "free candy" on the side of it, Badly.
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[18:38:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Case for a U.S. Space Force - http://sylnt.us - zapp-brannigan
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[22:19:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, today has been an interesting day.
[22:21:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, we're running on fluorine as our only web frontend until morning.
[22:28:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, i went and got a twice as many hot wings as i could eat at once last night since they were $0.60 each.
[22:28:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> mango habanero
[22:28:49] <fyngyrz> ouch
[22:29:21] <fyngyrz> allergic to mangos and not fond of peppers
[22:29:35] <fyngyrz> those things would probably kill me :)
[22:29:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i sat down and ate them around five in the evening, by nine i had to go shit fire. and again every hour or so starting around 2am.
[22:29:55] <fyngyrz> I prefer to *not* shit fire. I dunno, it's a quirk
[22:29:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> so of course i ate the rest for breakfast around 10am
[22:30:02] <fyngyrz> of course you did :)
[22:30:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> my butthole will not be giving me any backtalk for quite some time, i reckon.
[22:30:55] <fyngyrz> lol
[22:30:58] <fyngyrz> or you, it
[22:35:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i try and feed it something quite spicy at least once or twice a week. don't want no pansy asses around these parts. haven't done spicy in over a month though.
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[23:13:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> just informed TR of my chemical misadventures. he's laughing at my pain. this is why we get along so well.