#soylent | Logs for 2018-03-04
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[00:00:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Sulla, s/ discipline//
[00:00:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake chromas
[00:00:20] * MrPlow smakes chromas upside the head with a d12
[00:00:27] <Sulla> Whats this s/ stuff
[00:00:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> where's my sedbot?
[00:00:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> #sed
[00:00:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> #g sed
[00:00:43] <MrPlow> https://www.gnu.org - "sed is a stream editor. A stream editor is used to perform basic text transformations on an input stream (a file or input from a pipeline). While in some ways similar to an editor which permits scripted edits (such as ed ), sed works by making only one pass over the input(s), and is consequently more efficient. But it is sed 's ..."
[00:00:43] <Sulla> What was the result of the d12 roll? Did you do max damage
[00:00:44] <upstart> ^ 03sed, a stream editor
[00:00:53] <chromas> sedctl:
[00:00:53] * sedctl is a 53-line gawk script, https://github.com
[00:00:58] <Sulla> What bonus does mrplow get to his attacks
[00:01:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> none. which is why he's still level 1
[00:01:28] <Sulla> He seems to always hit though
[00:01:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> #roll 1d12
[00:01:33] <MrPlow> pass 1: 10
[00:02:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> #roll 1dpi
[00:02:01] <MrPlow> Roll the dice. #roll 3d6 throws=6
[00:06:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Concludes that Luck, not Talent or Smarts, Results in Wealth - http://sylnt.us - just-my-luck
[00:07:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, i'm hungry. gonna go get food started.
[00:07:43] <chromas> Bender: s/(L|l)uck/privi\1ege/
[00:07:43] <sedctl> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Concludes that priviLege, not Talent or Smarts, Results in Wealth - http://sylnt.us - just-my-luck
[00:08:02] <chromas> /g
[00:08:50] <Sulla> Overlord season 2 is terrible
[00:11:08] <Sulla> The problem I have with the priviledge thing is that I havent lived anywhere or met anyone (even racists) who would turn down a qualified/skilled/hard worker because of their sex or color of their skin
[00:11:18] <Sulla> Maybe the west coast/alaska is different in that way
[00:12:01] <chromas> Well Google keeps firing people for calling out their racism, so maybe it's all projection
[00:14:07] <Sulla> Got the BlackBerry q10s in today
[00:14:32] <Sulla> Looks like a good batch, hopefully after clean resets they all work good. They seem almost new/unused
[00:18:14] <pinchy> https://www.youtube.com
[00:18:15] <upstart> ^ 03Have you ever seen an angry unicorn ? - YouTube
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[02:25:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - European Regulator Finds That Neonicotinoid Pesticides Threaten Bees - http://sylnt.us - time-to-act
[02:33:59] <Bytram> #g lake Poopó
[02:33:59] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Lake Poopó was a large saline lake located in a shallow depression in the Altiplano Mountains in Oruro Department, Bolivia, at an altitude of approximately 3,700 m (12,100 ft). Because the lake was long and wide (90 by 32 km, 56 by 20 mi), it made up the eastern half of the department, known as a mining region in ..."
[02:34:00] <upstart> ^ 03Lake Poopó - Wikipedia
[02:53:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> lake poop?
[02:53:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you have made my evening.
[02:54:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> just in time too. ima go grab a smoke and head to bed.
[03:27:55] <bacteria> a standard keyboard has a windows logo on it
[03:27:56] <bacteria> how did it come to this??????
[04:33:55] <chromas> Windows 95
[04:45:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - This Is How Many Friends You Need to Be Happy - http://sylnt.us - I'm-still-a-few-short
[05:06:55] <bacteria> here's another great question for the ages
[05:07:00] <bacteria> why do you have to press ctrl-alt-del to log into w$
[05:07:06] <bacteria> what is the point of that extra step, why not just start with the password prompt screen
[05:07:09] <bacteria> these are all rhetorical questions of course
[05:07:13] <bacteria> still, i wonder, is that the work of a single person or a committee? or a self-emergent feature?
[05:07:19] <bacteria> may be one day they built windows (they do every day i hear) and it was there, and everyone was like, mmm ok, ppl upstairs know what they are doing, i guess
[05:07:25] <bacteria> but in reality is just some kind of meta-copypasta typo or something like that
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[07:06:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 3D-Written Model To Provide Better Understanding of Cancer Spread - http://sylnt.us - 3d-jet-printing
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[09:26:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ethereum Fixes Serious “Eclipse” Flaw - http://sylnt.us - eclipsing-security
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[09:56:15] <SoyCow6505> Hi peoples. Sorry if off-topic or already discussed but does anyone know what's happening with the green site? I struggle to get response from their site and when it does respond I'm seeing 4 day old stories at the top of the list...
[10:29:02] <boru> ...
[10:35:33] <chromas> https://meta.slashdot.org
[10:35:33] <upstart> ^ 03Slashdot Outage Update - Slashdot
[10:36:20] <chromas> "Obviously Slashdot has had some issues the past couple days. For those wondering, we inherited an aging hardware setup in the acquisition that was located physically far away from us. We made a big investment in a new hardware set up, and ran into sizable issues including a massive DDOS during the migration process. Going forward we expect much better uptime. If we inconvenienced anyone, we're sorry. If it's any consolation, it wasn't fun
[10:36:20] <chromas> for us either, and our team worked non-stop for days to get Slashdot back online. With our new infrastructure in place, we will be dedicating a lot of time and resources this year to improving Slashdot."
[10:38:48] <SoyCow6505> Ta, muchly.
[10:46:06] <chromas> We should have a cyan theme for April 1
[10:50:53] <boru> Cyan on magenta, for extra eye torture.
[10:50:58] <boru> Or vice versa.
[10:52:09] <chromas> Well I was just thinking of 'ripping off' /. but we could totally us another geo-cities theme :D
[10:58:52] * boru chuckles.
[10:58:57] <boru> I just saw your poll on the site.
[10:59:04] <boru> Prime trolling there.
[10:59:48] <chromas> lol
[11:00:50] <chromas> Ya know, nothin' wrong with proportional fonts for programming, especially if you use tab indents
[11:01:21] <boru> KNF or go home, imho.
[11:01:25] * chromas programs with graphical gooey interfaces in visual basic
[11:01:32] <boru> Why just have tabs, when you can have both?
[11:01:37] <boru> In a standard way, to boot!
[11:02:05] <boru> More line noise to prevent someone quoting me.
[11:02:55] <chromas> Actually, why have any at all when the editor can just indent according to syntax or whatever rules I set up?
[11:03:11] <chromas> Indent my line but don't store the indent in the file
[11:03:24] <chromas> Also store source code in xml
[11:04:19] <SoyCow6505> The more the better
[11:04:20] <boru> Also known as a tab.
[11:04:34] <boru> Tabs allow you to set your own tabstop!
[11:05:26] <chromas> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><sourcecode class="program"><line>import std.io;</line><line>void main() println("hello world");</line></program></xml>
[11:06:35] <chromas> ah oh, Unexpected
[11:06:50] <chromas> dang, can't even finish typing out my shitpost
[11:06:54] <boru> I don't even know what language that is supposed to be!
[11:07:56] <chromas> PythonXmlC++
[11:07:56] <Bender> karma - pythonxmlc: 1
[11:08:22] <boru> I think java is in there as well.
[11:08:33] <boru> Also, invalid prototype for main!
[11:08:38] <boru> Fix your code!
[11:09:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> didn't you hear? prototypes take too much extra effort for agile devops, so they've been done away with.
[11:10:04] <chromas> Okay, but see, it's got versioning built in, so instead of editing the line, I just create a new line that the compiler uses to revise the old one
[11:10:18] <boru> You've thought of everything.
[11:11:02] <chromas> Damn. If I was smart enough to write a compiler, I'd totally implement something that stupid just for the fun of it
[11:11:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:11:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3983
[11:12:00] <boru> I've given up coffee, alas.
[11:12:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, you should join the rust community. troll them with idiotic rfcs. they'll probably implement half of them.
[11:12:13] * boru chuckles.
[11:12:42] <chromas> I'm probably not diverse enough to relate to mozilla though
[11:13:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> tell them you identify as a transexual black lesbian.
[11:13:17] <chromas> On the other hand, I just created a translingual programming design
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[11:16:22] <chromas> Go lang sort of forces the K&R styl
[11:16:23] <chromas> e
[11:16:51] <chromas> It doesn't care about whitespace but it's kind of anal about where you put your newlines
[11:18:51] * TheMightyBuzzard tells chromas where he can put his newlines
[11:19:36] <chromas> Well with my xml-based 'streaming' document format, you don't even need newlines!
[11:19:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> you should make them illegal then
[11:20:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> especially for string literals
[11:21:09] <chromas> However, for optimal version management, you would ideally give each segment (or line as they used to say in Þe dayes of olde) its own id
[11:21:45] <chromas> Ooh, maybe I should write up a spec and submit it for april 1
[11:22:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, definitely.
[11:23:05] <chromas> Strings in Rust are immutable by default right? Well, let's take that further by making source code immutable!
[11:23:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> everything in rust is immutable by default, yep.
[11:23:42] <chromas> And yet, you can modify your program at runtime just by having it append moar xml to itself while it's running. Neat, huh!
[11:24:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> bonus points for every time you implement a standard in the format that conflicts with a supported language
[11:25:10] <chromas> In my language, unicode support is mandatory because it uses emojis for operators
[11:25:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm....
[11:26:40] <chromas> So like, if you want to assign something to a variable, you'd use an arrow (→) but for larger data, you make it bigger (🡆)
[11:26:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, making source code immutable sounds a whole lot like compiling it. why not save the bother of compiling it and just write a linux kernel module to support your format as an executable format like a.out or elf?
[11:27:50] <chromas> Linux is old hat. This is gonna be a socket-activated systemd unit
[11:28:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> metric or sae socket?
[11:28:19] <chromas> Both!
[11:28:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> 13mm then, roger.
[11:28:31] <chromas> More standards are always better. xkcs.png
[11:28:39] <chromas> s/s/d/4
[11:28:39] <sedctl> <chromas> More standards are always better. xkcd.png
[11:28:42] <exec> <chromas> More standards are always better. xkcd.png
[11:30:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, TR's boy child turns 13 this year. a very important milestone in a man's life, having to have your own fishing license.
[11:31:12] <chromas> Does he get his own boat too?
[11:31:51] <chromas> 🌮enable sedbot
[11:31:51] <upstart> k
[11:31:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> no but if he wants to sit through a half hour class he can drive mine. for that matter so can the girl child. there's no age limit on boat driving in TN.
[11:33:08] * TheMightyBuzzard is old enough he doesn't need no steenkenk classes
[11:33:26] <chromas> When do you turn thirteen?
[11:37:42] <chromas> tama brings up a good point: "We are indeed in the era of quantum browsing, where the page has been parsed and not parsed at the same time. Thanks, javascript."
[11:37:51] <chromas> I think I'll add javascript support as well
[11:37:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha!
[11:39:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[11:39:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[11:39:06] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 575
[11:47:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Clicker Heroes Maker Compares New Lawsuit From “Patent Troll” To Extortion - http://sylnt.us - trolls-r-us
[11:49:10] <chromas> Np backwards R?
[11:49:57] <chromas> Bender: s/r/я/9
[11:49:57] <sedctl> <chromas> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Clicker Heroes Maker Compares New Lawsuit From “Patent Troll” To Extortion - http://sylnt.us - trolls-я-us
[11:49:57] <upstart> <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Clicker Heroes Maker Compares New Lawsuit From “Patent Troll” To Extortion - http://sylnt.us - trolls-я-us
[11:50:09] <chromas> [a lawsuit approaches]
[11:50:29] <chromas> 🌮disable sedbot
[11:50:29] <upstart> k
[11:52:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> damnit, i wanna play vidya but i got money-making work what needs doing.
[11:52:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i forgot how annoying working for a living was.
[11:53:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> we need UBI.
[11:53:38] <chromas> microtransactions?
[11:54:02] <chromas> oh, the other ubi
[11:54:16] * chromas wouldn't mind free shekels
[11:54:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, those are unethical. it's only ethical if you take huge amounts of other people's money involuntarily. small, voluntary amounts are evil.
[11:54:58] <chromas> We should replace all taxes with government-offered microtransactions
[11:55:23] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his chin
[11:55:46] <chromas> No no, see, the $20 was just to plug the nozzle in and get a starter gallon, but you can buy more with this DLC
[11:55:56] <chromas> Oh wait, that's printers
[11:56:07] <chromas> [Stallman enters the channel]
[11:56:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> that could be fun, yeah. they're far more annoying to commies than taxes, so maybe we could get us some smaller government.
[12:01:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, screw it. ima play vidya till 8 or 9 then start on some code.
[12:02:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> make sure and get that source format RFC finished up with a week to spare
[12:02:30] * TheMightyBuzzard fucks off to winders
[12:37:18] <janrinok> chromas - how's things?
[12:38:09] <chromas> Okay at the moment. Just deep in an investigation. Researching why people call pizzas "pies"
[12:38:26] <janrinok> only in the US - we certainly don't
[12:38:55] * chromas doesn't eithr, but some people on tv do
[12:39:06] <chromas> Seems to be a northeastern us thing I guess
[12:39:34] <janrinok> perhaps they don't know what a real pie is?
[12:40:06] <chromas> Looks like one reason could be that its circumference is 3.14 times its diameter. Hmm.
[12:40:47] <chromas> But the match doesn't check out for rectangular pizzas though
[12:40:51] <chromas> s/c//
[12:40:51] <sedctl> <chromas> But the math doesn't check out for rectangular pizzas though
[12:40:54] <exec> <chromas> But the math doesn't check out for rectangular pizzas though
[12:41:56] * chromas checks in on the queue
[12:43:21] <chromas> Ooh, there was a suggested poll that never ran. Guess I could enqueue that
[12:43:46] <janrinok> I think the queues are good, but I'm working on Arthur at the moment.
[12:44:24] <chromas> How many sites does it support?
[12:45:02] <chromas> It'd be nifty if, when somebody ~submits, exec used arthur to load the article for sites arthur supports
[12:46:09] <janrinok> I loads from any site it gets told about. Currently it scans the list that SN uses which is added to regularly, but I haven't actually counted the number
[12:46:20] <janrinok> *It loads
[12:49:38] <janrinok> one or two of the bots already use parts of Arthur
[12:51:11] <janrinok> The problems is that Arthur cannot tell a good story from a bad one, nor can it always provide a good clean story (i.e. without js, unwanted html etc) without human intervention
[12:51:56] <janrinok> But it finds me up to 400 stories a day and cleans most of them up to a satisfactory level so I am happy with its performance
[12:53:24] <janrinok> Unless every web editor follows the same rules when using html - and they most certainly do not - then it will always be less than perfect.
[12:54:01] <chromas> Oh, I figured there was a per-site rule, like a regex or something
[12:56:34] <janrinok> there is, I use a system of templates that are selected based on the URL, but even then it is not consistent. A site can have an amazing diversity of doing the same thing different ways, and as fast as I write a template they think of something else bizarre to do
[12:58:13] <janrinok> so, using lxml library, I can strip out everything except for paras, and start with that. Then you have to identify adverts and links to such things as Facebook, Twitter etc which are often also in a para.
[13:00:12] <janrinok> But I can get rid of most of the stuff but it is still not really good enough to submit in some cases, say 10-20% are not up to scratch. So I have to delete some paragraphs manually before submission. I'm working on the automatic submission this afternoon, I've spent a few days cleaning up the product still further and using a different format to make editing easier.
[13:00:21] <chromas> I think I found a major news site awhile back that used <br>s instead of <p>s
[13:00:43] <chromas> And one that used the <article> tags, but only for the stubs they put at the end to entice you to click more
[13:00:48] <janrinok> yep, their are a couple I have found like that - God knows why they do it
[13:01:19] <chromas> I wonder if you could train a neural net to find the parts you want
[13:01:30] * chromas invents Deep Scraping
[13:01:39] <janrinok> even the para definitions are littered with extra crap that we have to remove before it breaks our own site
[13:02:45] <janrinok> but with 400+ stories to choose from each day, it is wasted effort to concentrate too much on the odd ball sites - if they want to be different I won't bother using them
[13:02:53] <chromas> The output I've seen has been pretty clean, so good job 👍
[13:03:24] <janrinok> If I think of something smart that solves another problem I will include it, but for now I'm content to let it go
[13:04:25] <chromas> It'd be neat if more sites would include the whole articles in their rss feeds. I saw one site doing it
[13:04:32] <chromas> It was probably soylent
[13:04:41] <janrinok> It alwas amuses me when potential submitters claim that they cannot find material to submit - we make it fairly easy for them
[13:05:34] <chromas> \~submit https://soylentnews.org
[13:05:35] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Poll | Which best describes how long until ...
[13:05:54] <janrinok> every story we publish goes out on our own feed too. So I have to be aware of that and make sure Arthur doesn't find them and resubmit them again. I'm now sure what kind of disaster might befall us if I don't ignore them :)
[13:05:56] <chromas> That's a weird title
[13:06:45] <janrinok> yup. How are you 'enjoying' your editorial contribution?
[13:07:16] <chromas> Slowly
[13:07:43] <chromas> Polls seem to attract a trickle of comments, so I'll just have to check in every day :D
[13:08:12] * chromas hasn't paid enough attention to see how long interest a poll lasts
[13:08:13] <janrinok> You and FNord had a good cock up over-night. You got the last story that was in the queue to jump 24 hours into Monday - I had to work out whether it was intentional or not
[13:08:28] <janrinok> I decided 'not' and corrected the date time of release
[13:09:04] <chromas> Oops. I didn't recall messing with the time
[13:09:16] <chromas> ~blame
[13:09:17] * exec points at Bytram
[13:09:20] <janrinok> as it was middle of the night for me my attempts at fixing it were almost as bad as yours in the first place
[13:11:09] <chromas> Is there a table somewhere to enshrine my clockups?
[13:11:22] <chromas> I guess the wiki's not being used much
[13:11:57] <janrinok> not yet - but you won't forget them. I can remember most of mine and if I get close to forgetting one somebody will always remind me!
[13:12:29] <chromas> Sounds like the trick is to just cock up a lot, so everyone else will forget the older ones
[13:12:47] * chromas roosts
[13:13:42] <janrinok> but that reinforces their view of your incompetence, so they tend to look more closely at everything you do. Trust me, I have tried various techniques to avoid the mocking, all to no avail
[13:14:19] <janrinok> you going to have a kip now?
[13:15:33] <janrinok> the basis of the mistake last night was that the date changed, and whoever put in the new date reversed the day and month to use US rules. That confused the system no end
[13:16:06] <chromas> Needs a little js popup calendar
[13:16:27] <chromas> hm, whatever happened to google's js replacement?
[13:16:33] <chromas> Dart, I think
[13:16:41] <chromas> ~define kip
[13:16:47] <exec> kip: unable to find definition
[13:16:58] <chromas> The internet says untanned hide or sleep
[13:17:11] <janrinok> sleep, rest, doze, nod-off, snooze
[13:17:55] <janrinok> based on your use of 'roost' before, I thought that you might be settling down for a sleep
[13:18:15] <janrinok> ~g kip
[13:18:18] <exec> [google] https://en.wikipedia.org(unit)
[13:18:29] <chromas> Oh, oops. I was thinking of rooster
[13:18:43] <chromas> Cock -> rooster
[13:18:45] <janrinok> nm, it is not important
[13:18:59] <chromas> But I guess it's not only roosters who roost
[13:19:15] <janrinok> all birds roost as far as I know
[13:19:40] <chromas> But only roosters get it in their name. That's cock privilege for ya
[13:20:08] * chromas should goto sleep but computers instead
[13:20:48] <janrinok> perhaps you should rest rather than 'computers'
[13:21:26] <janrinok> or is that simply a case of this old man not understanding the modern vernacular
[13:22:34] <chromas> That's no fun though. Plus I can't sleep on cue, so if I'm not sleepy enough I'll end up laying around doing nothing for an hour
[13:22:51] <chromas> Nah, just nouning the verbed noun
[13:24:01] <janrinok> for me, it depends on how much sleep I managed to get the night before. Sometimes circumstances conspire to prevent me from getting enough so I have to have a bit of a rest during my day. But if I do that to much it spoils the sleep for the next night.
[13:25:20] <janrinok> 'Just nouning the verbed noun' - so computes was the word you were looking for, and you could have save an additional letter!
[13:25:37] <janrinok> *saved
[13:33:47] <chromas> savingsered
[13:33:56] <janrinok> lol
[13:56:59] <janrinok> time for tea
[13:57:02] <janrinok> tea++
[13:57:02] <Bender> karma - tea: 586
[14:06:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Experimentally Demonstrated A Toffoli Gate In A Semiconductor Three-Qubit System - http://sylnt.us - not-toblerone
[14:26:18] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:26:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3984
[14:26:29] <janrinok> ~gday Bytram
[14:26:31] * exec faithfully spews a teaspoonful of puns on Bytram
[14:52:05] <Bytram> janrinok: Oh, hey!
[14:52:31] * Bytram just had a phone call and stepped away, all while he was trying to catch up on scrollback
[14:52:33] <janrinok> I see you are working at the speed of light again
[14:52:47] <Bytram> makes me a light weight, eh?
[14:52:51] * janrinok spots a Bytram excuse from miles away
[14:52:56] <Bytram> lol
[14:53:05] <janrinok> how's things my friend
[14:53:10] <Bytram> kindly of you to use imperial units
[14:53:21] <janrinok> I do it to piss the locals off
[14:53:38] <Bytram> tired... am on vacation this week and plan to *try* to getmore sleep
[14:53:45] <Bytram> naps++
[14:53:45] <Bender> karma - naps: 73
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[14:53:55] <janrinok> get some rest - you need it!
[14:54:09] <Bytram> got something like 9 hours like night... first time in a long time
[14:54:15] * janrinok thinks this might be a case of pot calling kettle but what the hell
[14:54:20] <Bytram> lol
[14:54:31] <Bytram> and how about YOU and S?
[14:54:55] <janrinok> got some bad news during the week. My daughter has cancer of the thyroid - has an operation 5 days after mine but in separate countries
[14:55:17] <Bytram> OUCH!!!!!!!!!!
[14:55:25] <Bytram> ((((( JR )))))
[14:55:33] <Bytram> ((((( JR's daughter )))))
[14:55:35] <janrinok> S and I are doing OK, although I'm looking forward to getting my throat fixed.
[14:55:43] <Bytram> for those following along, those were hugs
[14:56:02] <Bytram> you may be, but isn't she enjoying the (relative) quiet?
[14:56:15] <janrinok> until 18 months ago I didn't know anyone personally that had cancer. Now I know 3!
[14:57:01] <janrinok> S is in 2 minds about my inability to speak much. Course she likes the quiet - but she misses the regular conversation and banter
[14:57:03] <Bytram> I have an acquaintance who has cancer, but otherwise noone I know
[14:57:08] <Bytram> at leat that I know about
[14:57:10] <janrinok> don't say that
[14:57:17] <Bytram> yep
[14:57:33] <Bytram> btw, English question?
[14:57:43] <Bytram> this word "noone" bugs me to no end.
[14:58:12] <Bytram> I understand it is a shortening of "no one", but it still looks strange every time I see it , or go to use it
[14:58:28] <janrinok> we also use no-one - but of course that isn't any shorter
[14:58:33] <Bytram> do you avoid using "noone"?
[14:58:55] <janrinok> I don't know anyone who uses noone - as that would rhyme with 'moon'
[14:58:57] <Bytram> for the interim, unless I hear a better suggestion, I tend to use "nobody"
[14:59:21] <Bytram> yep, that's how I misread it every time
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[14:59:37] <janrinok> ~gday AndyTheAbsurd
[14:59:39] * exec deliciously refactors a megabyte of dangly bits for AndyTheAbsurd
[14:59:42] <Bytram> ~weather tampa
[14:59:44] <exec> 10Tampa, FL - currently 64°F / 18°C, cloudy, wind NE at 14 mph, humidity 38% - Sunday sunny (49°F:74°F / 9°C:23°C), Monday sunny (55°F:75°F / 13°C:24°C), Tuesday mostly sunny (61°F:77°F / 16°C:25°C), Wednesday scattered showers (50°F:69°F / 10°C:21°C)
[15:00:06] <janrinok> you wrap up warm now AndyTheAbsurd, it's down to 64F!
[15:00:18] <Bytram> Brrrr!
[15:00:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> heh
[15:00:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> yeah, chilly by our standards.
[15:00:29] <janrinok> ~weather
[15:00:32] <exec> 10Paimpol, France - currently 53°F / 12°C, mostly cloudy, wind SW at 13 mph, humidity 60% - Sunday showers (41°F:53°F / 5°C:12°C), Monday rain (39°F:52°F / 4°C:11°C), Tuesday rain (40°F:50°F / 4°C:10°C), Wednesday scattered showers (42°F:48°F / 6°C:9°C)
[15:00:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> I still walked to breakfast in sandals, shorts, and a t-shirt, though.
[15:00:50] <janrinok> snow all gone from here now but still bad in parts of the UK
[15:00:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~weather Colonie, NY
[15:00:59] <exec> 10Colonie, NY - currently 36°F / 2°C, cloudy, wind NW at 15 mph, humidity 69% - Sunday scattered showers (27°F:38°F / -3°C:3°C), Monday cloudy (23°F:40°F / -5°C:4°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (30°F:41°F / -1°C:5°C), Wednesday rain and snow (31°F:37°F / -1°C:3°C)
[15:01:16] <janrinok> ~weather doncaster
[15:01:17] <exec> 10Doncaster, UK - currently 40°F / 4°C, cloudy, wind E at 6 mph, humidity 99% - Sunday showers (35°F:40°F / 2°C:4°C), Monday scattered showers (38°F:48°F / 3°C:9°C), Tuesday scattered showers (32°F:47°F / 0°C:8°C), Wednesday scattered showers (33°F:49°F / 1°C:9°C)
[15:01:30] <janrinok> that's where my daughter lives ...
[15:01:39] <Bytram> ~weather Verkhoyansk
[15:01:40] <exec> 10Verkhoyansk, Sakha Republic, Russia - currently -23°F / -31°C, cloudy, wind W at 0 mph, humidity 74% - Sunday cloudy (-25°F:-12°F / -32°C:-24°C), Monday cloudy (-30°F:-3°F / -34°C:-19°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (-34°F:-4°F / -37°C:-20°C), Wednesday partly cloudy (-37°F:-8°F / -38°C:-22°C)
[15:01:43] <Bytram> ~weather Oymyakon
[15:01:45] <exec> 10Oymyakon, Sakha Republic, Russia - currently -17°F / -27°C, cloudy, wind N at 0 mph, humidity 59% - Sunday snow showers (-29°F:-3°F / -34°C:-19°C), Monday mostly cloudy (-25°F:3°F / -32°C:-16°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (-21°F:7°F / -29°C:-14°C), Wednesday partly cloudy (-35°F:8°F / -37°C:-13°C)
[15:02:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> Colonie, NY is where I grew up; living in Florida is almost always more pleasant from the beginning of October to the middle of April.
[15:02:38] <Bytram> with the emphasis on the last syllable, amirite?
[15:02:47] <Bytram> call-on-EE
[15:03:04] <Bytram> hmm
[15:03:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> coll-oh-NEE
[15:03:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> not quite "colony"
[15:03:13] <Bytram> call-aw-NEE
[15:03:18] <Bytram> yuppers
[15:03:40] <Bytram> seems no matter where I've been, there is always a local place name which serves to separate the locals from the outsiders
[15:03:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> Pronunciation of place names in upstate NY gets weird.
[15:04:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> "Coxsackie" is pronounced "cook sack ee"
[15:04:08] <janrinok> New Yorkers are weird!
[15:04:09] <Bytram> took me the better part of a few months before I could get the "vl" sound out of my mouth for "Watervliet"
[15:04:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> Yeah, Watervliet was right down the road! And still confuses my wife when we go up there.
[15:04:36] <Bytram> is Dutch, IIRC
[15:04:40] <Bytram> lol
[15:05:00] * Bytram might, just maybe, know something about RPI
[15:05:06] <AndyTheAbsurd> Yup, Dutch... also all of the place names around there that end in "kill", which is Dutch for "stream".
[15:05:33] <janrinok> as soon as you told me it was Dutch I could pronounce it, I was trying to apply Russian rules to it for some reason that totally escapes me
[15:05:35] <Bytram> cept of course, the one that mentions a water creature: Fishkill
[15:05:50] <Bytram> oh, wait.
[15:06:01] <Bytram> I misread what you wrote. I thought you had "skill"
[15:06:03] <Bytram> doh!
[15:06:13] * Bytram obviously needs more coffee
[15:06:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> only PETA thought that...and they're idiots, so...
[15:06:17] <Bytram> biab =)
[15:06:22] <Bytram> coffee++
[15:06:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3985
[15:06:45] <janrinok> try Lezardrieux, Plouha or Tregier
[15:08:10] <janrinok> we have a little giggle each year when the tourist arrive trying to pronounce local names
[15:20:31] <Bytram> and, for the non-locals, how ARE those pronounced?
[15:23:00] <janrinok> not sure how I would write them
[15:23:19] <Bytram> #g
[15:23:19] <MrPlow> Google search. #g <search query>
[15:23:21] <janrinok> lez-ard-ria
[15:23:23] <Bytram> #g Lezardrieux,
[15:23:23] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Lézardrieux (Breton: Lezardrev) is a commune in the Côtes-d'Armor department of Brittany in northwestern France. The village is situated near the mouth of the estuary of the Trieux river - the suspension bridge (Pont de Lézardrieux) across the river at this point is a French national monument. There is a marina with ..."
[15:23:24] <upstart> ^ 03Lézardrieux - Wikipedia
[15:23:40] <Bytram> hmmm, no IPA on that. :(
[15:23:45] <janrinok> Ploo-a
[15:24:04] <janrinok> Tre-gee-ye
[15:24:44] <Bytram> yep, not quite obvious, agreed!
[15:24:59] <janrinok> not as bad as some but they are really obscure
[15:25:23] <janrinok> and some of the locals insist on speaking Breton just to annoy other French people :)
[15:25:44] <Bytram> well, for the 'lizard' one: in 2008 it had a population of 1,624
[15:26:04] <janrinok> That's my home!
[15:26:06] <Bytram> would that make them lizard people?
[15:26:13] <Bytram> ;)
[15:27:17] <Bytram> pictures: https://commons.wikimedia.org
[15:27:18] <upstart> ^ 03Category:Lézardrieux - Wikimedia Commons
[15:29:40] <Bytram> looks like there is a new version of Pale Moon...
[15:29:55] * Bytram crosses fingers and attempts to load newest version
[15:30:41] <janrinok> Lézardrieux comes from the ancient Breton “lez ar Dréo or Drew” which means “near the Trieux” or “les” meaning “château” or “cour”, “ar” meaning “near” and the name of the river.
[15:30:43] * Bytram notes the old copy has now shut down
[15:31:02] <janrinok> I update yesterday - it works fine
[15:31:34] <Bytram> are you on windows?
[15:31:49] <janrinok> nope - linux on all machines
[15:31:53] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:32:11] <Bytram> fwiw (for posterity, this is Pale Mon v27.8.0)
[15:32:15] <janrinok> 8 desktops and 4 RaspPis
[15:32:44] <janrinok> yup that's the one
[15:32:55] <Bytram> someone enjoys playing keyboards?
[15:33:10] * Bytram restores 44 tabs
[15:33:16] <janrinok> lol
[15:34:22] <janrinok> Mine updates automatically based on Steve Pusser's packages
[15:34:38] <janrinok> PM that is, not my tabs
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