#soylent | Logs for 2018-02-15

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[01:26:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A.I. Algorithm Recognizes Terrorist Propaganda With 99% Accuracy - http://sylnt.us - extreme-algorithm
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[01:37:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> The Roomie just wagged home a couple boxes of on sale valentines chocolate. i hated to disappoint him but i felt the need to be sure he knew i still wasn't going to be his valentine.
[01:38:35] <chromas> You don't have to suck his dick but you can still take a ride on the hershy highway
[01:41:53] <Subsentient> Lol
[01:42:02] <Subsentient> chromas++
[01:42:02] <Bender> karma - chromas: 204
[01:42:24] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: How are you, you old bastard? It's been a while.
[01:45:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> ah, pretty good. busy this evening though. won't be handy for the next couple hours.
[01:45:42] <chromas> Giving the roomy a handy, eh
[01:46:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> watchin Hook. felt the need for some pirates and lost boys.
[01:46:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, back after.
[01:47:27] <chromas> #yt everything wrong with hook
[01:47:28] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[01:47:29] <upstart> ^ 03Everything Wrong With Hook In 18 Minutes Or Less - YouTube
[01:48:03] * chromas should watch the movie again though
[02:00:33] <Sulla> Chromas++
[02:00:33] <Bender> karma - chromas: 205
[02:00:40] <Sulla> Half hour late but that was good
[02:00:55] * chromas rolls around in his irc karmas
[02:08:52] <bacterium> hook, eh? pirates and lost boys? the more men-on-men action the merrier, no?
[02:11:59] <Subsentient> #yt Fleur licking the inside of my nostril
[02:11:59] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[02:12:00] <upstart> ^ 03Fleur licking the inside of my nostril - YouTube
[02:12:09] <Subsentient> chromas:
[02:15:06] <chromas> Kitten AIDS
[02:16:55] <bacterium> kittens++
[02:16:56] <Bender> karma - kittens: 2
[02:17:25] <bacterium> JavaScript--
[02:17:25] <Bender> karma - javascript: -5
[02:17:36] <bacterium> we are really getting somewhere now
[02:32:22] <chromas> webassembly--
[02:32:22] <Bender> karma - webassembly: -1
[02:34:47] <bacterium> karma--
[02:34:47] <Bender> karma - karma: 16
[02:35:00] <bacterium> karma++
[02:35:00] <Bender> karma - karma: 17
[02:35:25] <bacterium> 2128506++
[02:35:25] <Bender> karma - 2128506: 1
[02:35:41] <bacterium> #g 2128506
[02:35:42] <MrPlow> https://ru.wikipedia.org - "«212-85-06» (читается «Два — двенадцать — восемьдесят пять — ноль шесть») — песня группы «Аквариум» из альбома «Дети Декабря». Автор музыки и слов — Борис Гребенщиков (БГ). В тексте песни 212-85-06 — это ленинградский телефонный номер где-т
[02:36:01] <bacterium> всё правильно :)
[02:36:02] <upstart> ^ 03212-85-06 — Википедия
[02:36:19] <chromas> I think MrPlow needs to work on his UTF-8
[02:37:00] <bacterium> i think it cut off the last extended symbol, the cyrillic о
[02:37:07] <bacterium> #g о
[02:37:07] <MrPlow> https://en.wiktionary.org - "(Cyrillic-script letters) А а (A a), Ӕ ӕ (Æ æ), Б б (B b), В в (V v), Г г (G g), Гъ гъ (Ǧ ǧ), Д д (D d), Дж дж (Ǵ ǵ), Дз дз (Ʒ ʒ), Е е (E e), З з (Z z), И и (I i), Й й (J j), К к (K k), Къ къ (K' k'), Л л (L l), М м (M m), Н н (N n), О о (O o), П п (P p), Пъ пъ (P' p'), Р р (R r), С с (S s), Т т (T t), Тъ тъ (Tʺ t'), У у (U u), Ф ф (F f), Х х (X x),
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[02:37:37] <upstart> ^ 03о - Wiktionary
[02:37:39] <bacterium> i mean, cut it in half
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[02:56:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Patents Tech to Determine Social Class - http://sylnt.us - what-could-possibly-go-wrong?
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[04:02:28] <Bytram> time to hit the sack -- have a great night everyone!
[04:05:44] * chromas also hits the sac just before bed
[04:20:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i lurve me some peter pan
[04:21:36] <takyon> JIF
[04:21:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> reminds me, i haven't read the book in prolly ten years
[04:22:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> the book's way better than any film adaptation.
[04:22:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> the narrator trash talking the kids as inconsiderate little shits the whole way through is the best part
[04:25:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Trump Administration Budget Proposal Would Cancel WFIRST - http://sylnt.us - no-space-for-money
[04:34:40] <chromas> takyon: s/J/G/
[04:34:40] <sedctl> <chromas> <takyon> GIF
[04:34:42] <exec> <chromas> <takyon> GIF
[04:35:36] <chromas> #yt look at me I'm peter pan
[04:35:37] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[04:35:38] <upstart> ^ 03Look at me I'm Peter Pan - YouTube
[04:35:40] <takyon> choosy mom GIFs
[04:36:01] <chromas> That's not the right clip
[04:36:03] <chromas> MrPlow--
[04:36:03] <Bender> karma - mrplow: 1
[04:36:14] <takyon> http://www.bbc.com
[04:36:16] <upstart> ^ 03The strange times TV shows have 'predicted' the future - BBC News
[04:37:01] * TheMightyBuzzard prefers PNGs
[04:40:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.hardocp.com
[04:40:51] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[04:41:17] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[04:41:18] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[04:42:23] <takyon> from an article about the Florida shooting:
[04:42:26] <takyon> "The task of identification was made difficult by students who were killed without their backpacks or cellphones, officials said.
[04:42:26] <takyon> "
[04:42:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> rather inconsiderate of them
[04:43:01] <takyon> "Kids were freaking out. Some kids froze; some were on their phones. Some were trying to Snapchat because they thought it was a joke, and it wasn't," she said.
[04:43:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot, the last of the mpeg2 patents has expired! you're free to make dvd players to your heart's content now.
[04:43:56] <chromas> Yay, ancient math!
[04:44:27] * chromas sets the clock to h.265
[04:45:02] <takyon> https://boingboing.net
[04:45:04] <upstart> ^ 03After industry adopts open video standards, MPEG founder says the end is nigh / Boing Boing
[04:45:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> h265 is for chumps. av1 has significantly better squooshage.
[04:45:36] <chromas> Never heard of it. Sounds like Fake News
[04:46:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, it's just not done yet. and it still out squooshes h265.
[04:46:29] <chromas> How's the speed though?
[04:46:36] <takyon> hmm I haven't heard anything that specific about AV1 beating HEVC/H.265
[04:47:20] <chromas> Lookd like VLC anf Firefux nightly support it
[04:48:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> slower'n shit
[04:49:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> h265 has a pretty good pool of hardware support going. av1 gonna have to wait a bit on that.
[04:49:36] <chromas> Well now I gotta go buttpirate all my pr0ns again
[04:49:54] <takyon> https://en.wikipedia.org
[04:49:54] <upstart> ^ 03AV1 - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[04:50:53] <chromas> lolol "Chiariglione says that this also spells the end of real R&D for video, because without the potential for a huge patent-payday, no one will invest in making video playback better."
[04:50:57] <takyon> there is probably newer info about nightly builds and such, but advantages have yet to be seen in the real world. and new hardware would need to support it for best results
[04:51:17] <chromas> He says that despite his competition not having that potential
[04:51:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> there was some testing done either this week or last that i was reading on but damned if i remember where.
[04:53:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, it's a couple hours past my bedtime. gonna have to do something about that.
[04:53:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gnight hippies
[04:53:53] * exec hideously spews a mighty bundle of skittles on hippies
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[09:06:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Working to Scale Blockchain for Grand Distributed ID Scheme - http://sylnt.us - who-did-you-say-you-are?
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[09:29:53] <chromas> Blockchain. Blockchain blockchain! Decentralized, distributed blockchain. Cloudscale blockchain. Distributed trust, decentralized itentity cloud!
[09:30:09] <boru> Have you considered a career in management?
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[09:32:28] * chromas creates Identity Cloud; rakes in the funds
[09:34:12] <chromas> If I had money sitting around, I'd definitely buy that domain and fill it with parallax webscale buzzwebs
[09:34:30] * boru chuckles.
[09:34:49] <boru> You've got to get blockchain in there somewhere as well. Your share price will soar!
[09:37:31] <chromas> So, uh, cloudonomics is a term that exists.
[09:38:28] <boru> I'm surprised that whole fad hasn't died out yet.
[09:38:40] <boru> The cloud seems to be hanging around like a bad smell, pardon the pun.
[09:39:43] <chromas> fartcloud.com: lingering blockchain
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[10:35:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bank Accounts of World Chess Body Closed - http://sylnt.us - Your-Pawn-or-Mine?
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[12:11:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:11:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3949
[12:16:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://hackaday.com
[12:16:19] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[12:16:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Intelligence Agency Heads Warn Against Using Huawei and ZTE Products - http://sylnt.us - which-phone-has-the-official-okey-dokey?
[12:16:44] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[12:16:45] <Blockchain> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[12:29:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> takyon, https://www.cnx-software.com
[12:29:51] <Blockchain> ^ 03AV1 Open Source Video Codec Update at FOSDEM 2018 (Video)
[12:55:50] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs
[12:57:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> stupid slowass emerge
[13:03:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight. i'm out for the day. they's work needs doing.
[13:30:00] * AndyTheAbsurd invests money in this "Blockchain" bot because it *must* be the hot new thing. It's got "blockchain" in the name, how could it not be?
[13:47:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pressure Mounts On FCC To Provide Answers About Fake Net Neutrality Comments - http://sylnt.us - like-coughing-up-a-hairball
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[15:18:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Richard Spencer Threatens to Sue Kent State - http://sylnt.us - the-cost-of-free-speech
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[16:51:37] <mechanicjay> !grab boru
[16:51:37] <Bender> Added quote 856
[16:55:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - GPU Cryptomining Hurting SETI and Other Astronomy Projects - http://sylnt.us - just-nod-if-you-can-hear-me
[16:55:50] <mechanicjay> !quote
[16:55:50] <Bender> quote <ID/search string>
[16:55:56] <mechanicjay> !quote mechanicjay
[16:55:56] <Bender> Quote 224 - <mechanicjay> Lack of quote-age makes me sad.
[16:56:00] <Bender> Also in quotes: 228, 229
[16:56:12] <mechanicjay> !quote 228
[16:56:12] <Bender> Quote 228 - <mechanicjay> !grab mechanicjay
[16:56:22] <mechanicjay> !quote 229
[16:56:22] <Bender> Quote 229 - <mechanicjay> !grab mechanicjay
[16:56:27] <mechanicjay> !quote boru
[16:56:28] <Bender> Quote 783 - <boru> I like to use Lucida Blackletter in MS Word for writing code.
[16:56:32] <Bender> Also in quotes: 822, 845, 846, 848, 856
[16:56:43] <mechanicjay> !quote 856
[16:56:43] <Bender> Quote 856 - <boru> The cloud seems to be hanging around like a bad smell, pardon the pun.
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[17:04:08] <Sulla> Bought a co2 pellet handgun last night to try and kill rats with
[17:04:30] <Sulla> For $100 cant even hit within 1in on a target 10 feet away
[17:17:10] <boru> No! Immortalised forever!
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[17:28:57] <Sulla> Conspiracy. I said trebuchet ms is best font and got kicked
[17:29:03] <Sulla> I suspect fowl play
[17:29:30] <boru> You should've ducked.
[17:32:23] <Sulla> Man, new baby is not reaching expectations, due in 5 weeks and is 80th percentile for growth. Needs to get his shit together
[17:41:06] <SoyGuest68859> smaller = easier birth.
[17:43:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait and see how it comes out. you can always trade it in for another if it doesn't suit you.
[17:46:46] <SoyGuest68859> switch wrist-bands. those carpals are very maliable ;)
[17:47:43] <SoyGuest68859> sulla: re rats - maybe ninja blowpipe should be your weapon of choice?
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[17:49:39] * FatPhil needs voice on #shitlords, pretty please, with a satoshi on top.
[17:58:42] <Sulla> Dont think I have that level of skill
[17:59:13] * chromas gives Sulla a couple extra skill points
[18:01:48] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders off for lunch
[18:02:29] Blockchain is now known as systemd-blockchaind
[18:06:20] <Sulla> Anyone got any links on vasectomys and prostate cancer
[18:12:28] <FatPhil> https://www.cancer.org
[18:12:29] <systemd-blockchaind> ^ 03Large Study Finds No Link Between Vasectomy and Prostate Cancer Risk
[18:14:23] <Sulla> Thats not the justification I need
[18:25:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - California "Green Lab" Volunteers Smoke Cannabis in Front of the Police - http://sylnt.us - where-do-I-sign-up?
[18:39:00] <chromas> Sulla: Well, I guess it makes cheating easier
[18:39:19] <chromas> or is that the opposite of justification?
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[19:05:09] <Sulla> Going to make my wife get her tubes tied instead
[19:05:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> the only justification you need is "I'm done having kids".
[19:06:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> you can be done having kids with a kid count of zero, too.
[19:07:06] <Sulla> We already have two, three next month. Deciding who it is safest to have get fixed
[19:07:23] <Sulla> I dont want surgery so I was hoping to justify with a cancer link
[19:07:58] <Bytram> Sulla: instead of surgery, there is an injection you can get that does the trick.
[19:08:06] <Bytram> bad pun not intended
[19:08:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> Your wife getting her tubes tied is *far* more invasive and risky.
[19:08:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> Man up, get the snip, be done with it.
[19:08:42] <Bytram> 'zactly
[19:08:58] <Sulla> Doc was trying to tell us it was less bad becaus they already int here for c section
[19:15:18] <mechanicjay> Major code deployment: complete. Number of major bugs introduced: 1
[19:15:45] <mechanicjay> well, major in impact, trivial to fix (thankfully)
[19:15:48] <Bytram> mechanicjay: hiya! sorry for displayed response -- hope that link works out for ya!
[19:15:57] <Bytram> and good to hear about the deployment success!
[19:16:57] <mechanicjay> Yeah, it was a GIANT ass branch we were merging in a pushing. That there was only 1 bug is astounding....and it was just due to lack of testing that particular functionality.
[19:17:10] <Bytram> testing++
[19:17:10] <Bender> karma - testing: 9
[19:17:18] <mechanicjay> This is final nail in the coffin for paper-based User Account operations around here -- highly exciting!
[19:17:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> Sulla, just tell her buttseks solves the problem without anyone getting surgery.
[19:17:46] <Bytram> not to be a downer, but... only 1 bug... that you know of, so far.
[19:17:54] <mechanicjay> lol, fair enough!
[19:18:02] <Bytram> let's hope that it remains that way!
[19:18:17] <Bytram> unless, of course, you want me to come in and take a stab at it? =)
[19:18:26] <mechanicjay> :)
[19:18:36] * Bytram waits for mechanicjay to recoil in horror at the thought!
[19:18:50] <InsanumIngenium> The only time I would personally talk tube tying instead of vasectomy is if there was already a scheduled cesarean
[19:19:01] <mechanicjay> No, I have a couple users are fucking edge-case magnets. I'm sure they'll alert to me issues in short-order.
[19:19:17] <Bytram> lol
[19:20:00] <Bytram> yeah, but *edge* cases are the EASY ones! /me excels at multi-dimensional *corner* cases!
[19:20:03] <Bytram> =) =) =)
[19:20:18] <mechanicjay> hang on
[19:20:29] * Bytram goes to fetch lunch... brb
[19:21:09] <mechanicjay> Jeez, this thing is like 10k lines of code
[19:21:30] <Bytram> what language?
[19:21:40] <mechanicjay> no wait, kill the js and css, that's just layout shit
[19:21:51] <Bytram> nod nod
[19:22:10] <mechanicjay> closer to 3k lines of php
[19:22:53] <Bytram> well, yes and no... SN does some amazing things with CSS to control expansion/collapse of story thread, for example
[19:23:05] <Bytram> PHP? Yikes!
[19:23:16] * Bytram runs aways flailing arms in air and screaming
[19:23:28] <mechanicjay> Yeah, I've done some really slick hide/show stuff with css myself.
[19:23:50] <Bytram> kewel!
[19:24:24] <mechanicjay> It where my group landed after the perl days. We definitely have tens of thousands of lines of php which run a ton of our line of business applications.
[19:24:36] <Bytram> PHP, from what I've read and heard, could really use someone to come in and construct a consistence naming (and functioning) architecture
[19:24:46] <Bytram> nod nod
[19:24:58] <Bytram> use what you got until you can't anymore
[19:25:05] <mechanicjay> So, yeah new stuff gets spun up in php, as there's where our tested and harded DB abstraction stuff is, and our common templates, etc, etc.
[19:25:16] <Bytram> got it
[19:25:34] <Bytram> I assume you have coding practices and standards in palce?
[19:25:38] <Bytram> *place
[19:26:40] <Bytram> #g a foolish consistency hobgoblin
[19:26:40] <MrPlow> https://www.goodreads.com - "“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard ..."
[19:26:42] <systemd-blockchaind> ^ 03Quote by Ralph Waldo Emerson: “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of littl...”
[19:26:43] <mechanicjay> as best we can...the team isn't quite as cohesive as I might like, so we're all a bit siloed with our own applications, so each application definitely has it's own flavor.
[19:27:12] <Bytram> happens, no biggge
[19:27:51] <Bytram> as long as there is a general self-consistency within 'areas', it's tractable... is when things are whichever way someone felt like doing it at the time.. Zoinks!
[19:27:54] <mechanicjay> But we all do out best to write clear consistent code, so it's not hard to jump into Fred's stuff and figure out what's going on.
[19:28:01] <Bytram> noice!
[19:28:24] <Bytram> get burned enough and suddenly there exists internal motivation... no need to apply from the outside
[19:28:44] <mechanicjay> Unlike some of our retired perl programmers. I've been keeping a couple of those things on life-support for a few years now and I just kinda want to hurt myself.
[19:28:48] <Bytram> aka "The longest distance between two points is a shortcut."
[19:29:06] <mechanicjay> you just described most of legacy perl stuff
[19:29:17] <Bytram> kinda guessed as much
[19:29:36] <mechanicjay> Who needs an intermediate variable to store shit, just wrap a couple functions around a giant regex!
[19:29:38] <Bytram> over time, quick and dirty tends to become less quick and more dirty
[19:29:48] <Bytram> ugh
[19:29:52] <mechanicjay> "Look it works"
[19:30:29] <mechanicjay> yeah, until it doesn't, then what -- up stream data formats change on a frighteningly regular basis.
[19:30:40] <Bytram> construct a regexp as a catenation of strings, each of which is commented as to what/how/why it matches... then use THAT in the actual pattern matching
[19:30:55] <Bytram> abstractionlayer++
[19:30:55] <Bender> karma - abstractionlayer: 1
[19:31:19] <mechanicjay> There this one thing, where I literally have no idea how to fix it withough rewriting the entire string validation subroutine.
[19:31:40] <Bytram> sad face
[19:32:17] <Bytram> in the interim, instrument it to dump all inputs, and outputs, and build up a test base of what it does?
[19:32:38] <mechanicjay> It's this bad: When I get a report of a failure on one of the things that *SHOULD* validate, but doesn't -- I have a hacked version of the script, off to the side I run by hand.
[19:32:55] <Bytram> ugh
[19:33:38] <Bytram> well, at least you DO have it at hand.... sounds like you been down that path enough times you have a standard work-around
[19:33:38] <mechanicjay> Yeah, I feel like that should be a fireable offense.
[19:34:43] <mechanicjay> I'm going to need to address it for real soon as the department is expanding and the "exceptional" case is going start becoming far more common.
[19:34:59] <Bytram> hmm
[19:35:22] <mechanicjay> Actually, the way I'd like to address it is to turn this thing the fuck off and tell people to go use Google Calendar.
[19:35:47] <Bytram> write afunction that checks if your "side script" is happy with it? If it is, let it through, o/w fall back to the weak-sauce version
[19:36:06] <Bytram> oh... date/time stuff? double-ugh
[19:36:19] <Bytram> ISO-8601++
[19:36:37] <Bytram> ~time x
[19:36:39] <exec> Thursday, 15 February 2018 @ 7:36 pm UTC - Coordinated Universal Time
[19:36:42] <mechanicjay> It's a course schedule calendar generator which groks the course database from the registrar, gets some scheduling data from somehwere, screen scrapes a few other pages and does a whole bunch of shit to build something that kinda looks decent, which people can modify (in a stupid way).
[19:36:57] <Bytram> 20180215_193600
[19:37:05] <bacterium> Bytram is right, you gotta dump your inputs regularly
[19:37:30] <bacterium> or else the cache might overflow
[19:37:37] <bacterium> baaaaad situation
[19:37:51] <Bytram> what I'm hearing is the need for a data warehouse... read in and consistify the inputs... and only then do any processing on the cleaned-up-junk
[19:38:04] <Bytram> chache me while you can?
[19:38:09] <bacterium> lol
[19:38:24] <bacterium> omg that's so funny my sides are splitting
[19:38:32] * bacterium undergoes mitosis
[19:38:34] <Bytram> #g catch me if you can
[19:38:35] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Catch Me If You Can is a 2002 American biographical crime film directed and co-produced by Steven Spielberg from a screenplay by Jeff Nathanson. The film is based on the life of Frank Abagnale, who, before his 19th birthday, successfully performed cons worth millions of dollars by posing as a Pan American World ..."
[19:38:35] <systemd-blockchaind> ^ 03Catch Me If You Can - Wikipedia
[19:38:36] bacterium is now known as bacteria
[19:38:54] <Bytram> go forth and multiply
[19:39:08] <bacteria> #w forth
[19:39:12] <bacteria> #g forth
[19:39:13] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org(programming_language) - "Forth is an imperative stack-based computer programming language and environment originally designed by Charles \"Chuck\" Moore. Language features include structured programming, reflection concatenative programming and extensibility (the programmer can create new commands). Although not an acronym, the ..."
[19:39:13] <systemd-blockchaind> ^ 03Forth ( - Wikipedia
[19:39:18] <Bytram> ROFL!
[19:39:37] <Bytram> RPN ftw!
[19:39:46] <bacteria> indeedy
[19:39:59] * Bytram never programmed in forth, but ISTR it used rpn (aka postfix) notation
[19:41:17] <Bytram> heh... I wonder what happens when I...
[19:41:20] <Bytram> #g the
[19:41:20] <MrPlow> http://www.dictionary.com - "The definition, (used, especially before a noun, with a specifying or particularizing effect, as opposed to the indefinite or generalizing force of the indefinite article a or an): the book you gave me; Come into the house. See more."
[19:41:21] <systemd-blockchaind> ^ 03The | Define The at Dictionary.com
[19:41:32] <chromas> Does anything use regular PN?
[19:41:43] <bacteria> we thinks we are finally cracking, because lately we've been writing down some stuff in *shall*, which is yet another lisp in c's clothing created by our imagination going off the rails
[19:41:45] <Bytram> you mean infix?
[19:41:53] <Bytram> calc.exe
[19:42:13] <Bytram> and pretty much every procedural language in existence
[19:42:14] <chromas> If RPN puts the operator after, wouldn't PN put it before?
[19:42:20] <Bytram> nope
[19:42:26] <Bytram> that would be pre-fix
[19:42:33] <chromas> Crafty Poles
[19:42:35] <Bytram> prefix, infix, postfix
[19:42:47] <Bytram> an example of prefix would be lisp
[19:42:52] <chromas> Well, wouldn't first be the opposite of last?
[19:42:55] <Bytram> (mult 4 2)
[19:43:08] <chromas> If normal's in the middle, then reversing the notation should still put the operator in the middle
[19:43:26] <chromas> #smake academia
[19:43:26] * MrPlow smakes academia upside the head with a dangling participle
[19:43:35] <Bytram> but it will now be backwards, right?
[19:43:50] <chromas> 4*2 -> 2*4 :)
[19:43:53] <Bytram> not all things obey identity under commutativity
[19:43:58] <mechanicjay> Fuck it, I'm heading out for an early lunch.
[19:44:02] <Bytram> lol
[19:44:06] <Bytram> enjoy!
[19:44:24] <Bytram> mechanicjay: great chatting with ya and kudos for the smooth roll out - best of luck to ya!
[19:54:49] <Bytram> lunch has been consumed... think I'm gonna take a nap.
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[19:58:01] <Bytram> #submit https://phys.org
[19:58:01] <MrPlow> Unable to find a title for that page
[19:58:05] <Bytram> ~submit https://phys.org
[19:58:39] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
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[20:07:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google's Crackdown on "Annoying" and "Disruptive" Ads Begins - http://sylnt.us - that's-a-nice-ad-you-have-there
[20:08:28] <Bytram> laters
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[20:12:55] <FatPhil> ~weather
[20:12:57] <exec> 10Tallinn, Harju County, Estonia - currently 18°F / -8°C, snow showers, wind SE at 7 mph, humidity 91% - Thursday mostly cloudy (18°F:22°F / -8°C:-6°C), Friday mostly cloudy (21°F:26°F / -6°C:-3°C), Saturday snow showers (22°F:27°F / -6°C:-3°C), Sunday cloudy (19°F:24°F / -7°C:-4°C)
[20:38:13] <chromas> I put an amd video card in my desktop, using the open sauce driver. Turns out wayland still sucks
[20:38:47] <chromas> For maximum pedantry, I should say KDE's implementation still sucks
[20:47:19] <Sulla> I dream that someday ill have time for vidya again
[20:50:57] <chromas> You either have time for the vidya or the money to pay for it.
[20:51:15] <chromas> Vote for me and you can have both!
[20:57:35] <Sulla> So true
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[21:18:21] <mrpg> ¡Viva México mano! https://youtu.be
[21:18:23] <systemd-blockchaind> ^ 03taca la petaca (la sotaca)1975 HD chapulin colorado - YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[21:21:47] <mrpg> systemd-blockchaind? is this a joke? because lately I dont know what is true or not.
[21:22:15] <mechanicjay> I imagine it is.
[21:22:17] <systemd-blockchaind> Maximum shitposting
[21:38:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - High Speed Imaging Of Magnetic Fields - http://sylnt.us - a-new-lensman
[21:38:42] <mrpg> Run Barry run!!!
[21:40:35] <mrpg> Anybody knows the name of any one of those projects where people load a DVD with software and send it away?
[21:42:31] <chromas> I didn't know that was a thing. What's it for?
[21:42:51] <chromas> Like, to send your own software to people? Or distributing OSS?
[21:50:24] <mrpg> It's for villages that have no intenret, there are preloaded CDs and stuff, I saw it years ago.
[21:50:58] <mrpg> Say for example, you donwload wikipedia, put it on a disk and send it to some remote village in Africa.
[21:51:17] <mrpg> For OSS.
[21:52:42] <boru> You mean sneakernets?
[21:53:32] <boru> They were pretty common in the 80s and 90s.
[21:53:51] <boru> Using $persistent_storage, naturally.
[21:54:39] <mrpg> Yes, but those were for people and their friends/neighbors, these are just tools for teaching.
[21:55:49] <boru> I don't see how the premise differs.
[21:56:32] <mrpg> Prince of persia - python
[21:56:39] <mrpg> strip poker - english classes
[21:56:44] <chromas> There's probably specific projects he's looking for, like Sneakernets for Africa or something :)
[21:57:43] <mrpg> I want to read about any one of those.
[21:58:35] <mrpg> I'll search for the OLPC to see what I can find.
[21:59:54] <boru> Well, fwiw, the sneakernets I encountered oft distributed electronic libraries; books, research papers, journals, data sets etc.
[22:00:12] <boru> The warez scene was something else entirely.
[22:01:17] <boru> Back when the 'Net was actually used to access and share information and knowledge.
[22:02:13] <chromas> It still is. Wanna know how many times I pooped today? Would you like to see photos of my cat?
[22:04:13] <boru> Odd. I don't recall subscribing to chromas.catfacts.
[22:04:47] * boru contacts the moderators.
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[22:05:01] <chromas> Well, he's got long gray and white fur and he likes to get on my shoulder like a scarf
[22:05:15] <chromas> photo0.jpg, photo1.jpg, photo2.png
[22:05:21] <boru> ^D^D^D
[22:06:18] <Notsanguine> Hey all. I have a dumb question. What's the max length of a comment? I just got hit with a "Lameness filter encountered: message too long" error
[22:06:41] <mrpg> Good question.
[22:07:54] <mrpg> In linux that's easy to know!ª!!!!! go to github and check the source code!!! :-) But I don't know, sorry.
[22:08:14] <mrpg> Ask bytram he must know.
[22:08:28] <boru> TMB probably will, also.
[22:09:04] <Notsanguine> My comment is 15775 characters. I'll see if TMB or bytram know.
[22:09:10] <Notsanguine> thanks for the suggestion
[22:09:44] <chromas> If you wanna slog through the source, it's here https://github.com
[22:09:45] <systemd-blockchaind> ^ 03GitHub - SoylentNews/rehash: Forked from Slashcode, rehash is the codebase that powers SoylentNews.org, powered by mod_perl 2
[22:10:07] <mrpg> That's not a comment. A comment is "me too" or "f1rst post!"
[22:10:15] <mrpg> That's a short story.
[22:12:09] <Notsanguine> Actually, it includes quotes from the comment to which I was replying: https://soylentnews.org
[22:12:10] <systemd-blockchaind> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Ride-Hailing Is Deepening Social and Economic Inequity in the US ( https://soylentnews.org )
[22:13:08] <boru> That's what you get for deconstructing posts in an analytic manner.
[22:13:31] <mrpg> yea.
[22:14:05] <Notsanguine> Chromas: Actually, I'm not so sure. This may be a DB thing, where comments are stored in columns of type varchar vs. type string
[22:14:49] <Notsanguine> Chromas: But I'll take a look on github anyway
[22:15:03] <Notsanguine> boru: no good deed goes unpunished, eh?
[22:15:09] <chromas> https://github.com
[22:15:09] <systemd-blockchaind> ^ 03rehash/slashschema_create.sql at master · SoylentNews/rehash · GitHub
[22:15:12] <boru> Indeed.
[22:15:33] <Notsanguine> thanks systemd-blockchaind
[22:16:30] <chromas> I might be overlooking it but I just see "comment text NOT NULL"
[22:16:47] <chromas> So the limit may be elsewhere
[22:19:39] <Notsanguine> Chromas: In slashschema_create.sql/CREATE_TABLE Comments there's an item 'len' which is defined as "smallint" (max value 32768 signed, 65535 unsigned), so I don't think that's it either
[22:20:24] <chromas> Does github have search?
[22:20:36] <chromas> there's a default_maxcommentsize but I don't see where it's defined
[22:20:51] <Notsanguine> Chromas: But your reference is likely more apropos here
[22:21:00] <mrpg> The search field is at the top
[22:21:01] <Notsanguine> I'll see
[22:21:21] <chromas> Wow, I'm blind
[22:21:27] <chromas> mrpg++
[22:21:27] <Bender> karma - mrpg: 7
[22:21:57] <mrpg> I searched "message too long" but nothing.
[22:22:02] <chromas> Looks like 4096
[22:22:15] <chromas> https://github.com
[22:22:16] <systemd-blockchaind> ^ 03Search · maxcommentsize · GitHub
[22:23:02] <mrpg> aha! mystery solved.
[22:23:41] <mrpg> teamwork++
[22:23:41] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 38
[22:24:52] <Notsanguine> Thanks Chromas. You win the intertubes today!
[22:25:18] <Notsanguine> That's odd, as I'm sure I've written comments longer than 4096 characters before
[22:25:25] <chromas> You're welcome. Thanks for the win :)
[22:26:42] <Notsanguine> In fact, the comment to which I was replying is 5097 characters
[22:26:57] <Notsanguine> So maybe that isn't the answer. :(
[22:27:32] <chromas> Maybe it's in a different branch or something
[22:27:48] <chromas> Need tmb to come back from fooshin' or whatever
[22:27:50] <Notsanguine> Right now, I'll try the same thing over again and expect different results. :)
[22:28:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, what?
[22:28:35] <chromas> We're looking for the comment size limit
[22:28:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> 10k
[22:28:50] <chromas> What's the 4096 part?
[22:29:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?
[22:29:26] <chromas> maxcommentsize smallint UNSIGNED DEFAULT '4096' NOT NULL
[22:29:46] <chromas> it's in a few places
[22:29:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's the default. duh.
[22:30:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ours is 10k though cause defaults are for pussies.
[22:30:40] <mrpg> aaaaaah
[22:30:41] <chromas> Hm, but where's that stored?
[22:31:02] * chromas herps a derp
[22:31:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> in cleavland
[22:31:31] <Notsanguine> Hey Buzzard. Can I be a special snowflake and ask for a longer comment length?
[22:32:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> not unless there's an especially good reason. anything over 5k is mostly going to get tl;dr'd by most people anyway
[22:32:56] <Notsanguine> But, but, but...I write soooo goood!
[22:33:01] <Notsanguine> :)
[22:33:25] <mrpg> Do like therealdonaldtrump and think of soylentnews as twitter but with a longer commnet limt.
[22:33:31] <Notsanguine> Thank you sir.
[22:33:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> i believe ya but anything that long should probably be a journal entry.
[22:33:41] <Notsanguine> I'll just split my comment into two
[22:34:11] <Notsanguine> It's acutally a reply to a comment, Buzzard. With quotes from the comment I'm replying to.
[22:34:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[22:34:57] <Notsanguine> Like I said, I'll just split the comment in two. It's 15775 chars long so two should do the trick.
[22:35:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> the limit ain't really there for people behaving themselves. it's there for chromas.
[22:35:17] <Notsanguine> thanks for the clarification about the size...
[22:35:52] <chromas> !grab Notsanguine
[22:35:52] <Bender> Added quote 857
[22:35:53] <Notsanguine> But the truth is that it was me who got a "lameness filter encountered: message too long" error on preview, not Chromas.
[22:36:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> he'd do fun things like put one character to a line and make the comment five thousand lines high
[22:36:37] <Notsanguine> Or perhaps I just shouldn't be so chummy with Chromas? Will that make the limit go away?
[22:36:40] <chromas> I should try that :D
[22:37:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> have you tried beating him with a stick?
[22:37:31] <Notsanguine> I only beat certain folks with my "stick" and it's never Chromas. :)
[22:37:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's a non-zero possibility that he's actually a pinata and has candy inside.
[22:37:59] <Notsanguine> or is that TMI?
[22:38:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, maybe disappointing to him but it don't phase me one way or the other.
[22:38:28] <Notsanguine> Well, then. If that's the case, lets string him up and have at it. :)
[22:38:52] * chromas sneaks out the back door
[22:38:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, we ain't had a good lynching around here for a while
[22:39:19] <Notsanguine> Lynching? I was just hoping to get some sweet tarts
[22:39:36] <Notsanguine> Or maybe a few jolly ranchers
[22:40:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> your dentist would not approve.
[22:41:46] <Notsanguine> My dentist is a nice Dominican lady who would almost certainly not approve. But I won't tell if you won't tell. :)
[22:46:42] <Notsanguine> And in thanks for all your help, TheMightyBuzzard, Chromas, mrpg, boru, here's my tome^W wonderful comment. https://soylentnews.org
[22:46:43] <systemd-blockchaind> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Ride-Hailing Is Deepening Social and Economic Inequity in the US ( https://soylentnews.org )
[22:48:19] * Notsanguine Channels TheRealDonaldTrump
[22:48:44] <chromas> I think some fonts got bigger after I switched video vards
[22:48:48] <Notsanguine> In fact, it's the best comment ever in the history of the world. Believe me
[22:49:06] <chromas> This is the greatest and best comment in the world.
[22:49:09] <chromas> Tribute.
[22:52:05] * Notsanguine is off to bring joy and long comments to the universe
[22:52:07] <Notsanguine> TTFN
[22:57:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FDA Approves Blood Test for Concussions - http://sylnt.us - headbangers
[22:57:43] <Sulla> Notsanguine: thats a hell of a wall of text
[22:58:27] <mrpg> Good comment, worth the reading. At least if you are curious of the subject.
[22:58:43] <Sulla> Will as soon as I get the chane
[22:58:45] <Sulla> Ce
[22:58:55] <chromas> That's why he channeld realDonaldTrump; he's building a wall
[22:59:08] <Sulla> Just about to put on a training so have to wait
[22:59:41] <Notsanguine> Sulla: Thanks! I think that's the nicest thing anyone's said to me all day. :)
[22:59:48] <Notsanguine> Thanks mrpg
[23:01:53] <Notsanguine> mrpg, sulla: If you found that interesting, you might want to go all the way back to my original comment. It gives quite a bit of context. https://soylentnews.org
[23:01:54] <systemd-blockchaind> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Ride-Hailing Is Deepening Social and Economic Inequity in the US ( https://soylentnews.org )
[23:02:09] <Notsanguine> Or not.
[23:03:11] <Notsanguine> The conversation with Unixnut gives two quite contrasting (yet eerily similar) views of urban life
[23:09:46] <mrpg> Agreed on Asimov.
[23:12:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh thas funny. takyon got spam modded.
[23:12:31] <Notsanguine> Asimov was a pretty good scientist and promoter of science. But he was also pretty good (when he wanted to be, many of his works are pretty flat in the character development area) at observing and describng human behavior
[23:12:48] <Notsanguine> Really? Link please TMB
[23:13:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> for context: https://soylentnews.org
[23:13:24] <systemd-blockchaind> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | GPU Cryptomining Hurting SETI and Other Astronomy Projects ( https://soylentnews.org )
[23:14:23] <stderr_dk> <NerdRPG> stderr reaches next level in 20108 days, 19:09:44.
[23:14:34] <stderr_dk> Damn...
[23:14:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> stderr_dk, sounds like you have time for a nap then
[23:15:18] <stderr_dk> Yeah, maybe a short nap or two...
[23:16:51] <Notsanguine> TheMightyBuzzard: Think that could be a mis-mod? It's snarky, but doesn't really rise to the level of spam, methiunks
[23:17:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't think the mod got the joke at all, so it looked like spam.
[23:17:59] <mrpg> Obviously HODL is the name of some big pharma drug :-) so spam
[23:18:22] <Notsanguine> Perhaps. If that's the case, the modder (IMHO) doesn't understand the spam mod
[23:18:48] <Notsanguine> mrpg: that could be it, but https://en.wikipedia.org
[23:18:49] <systemd-blockchaind> ^ 03HODL - Wikipedia
[23:19:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> spouting utter nonsense is in fact spam, which is what it looked like to me too until i googled it.
[23:19:33] <mrpg> Yes, I looked it up, but the mod didnt so for him it is some drug spam.
[23:19:34] <Notsanguine> A reasonable point.
[23:20:06] <Notsanguine> Poor Takyon. He's probably crushed. Someone should give him a hug.
[23:20:14] <mrpg> Give 5 min to create a fake website for HODL as a cure to insomnia.
[23:20:35] <Notsanguine> You are evil, mrpg. I like it!
[23:20:45] <mrpg> haha
[23:20:58] <mrpg> So it is spam, the mod remains.
[23:21:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> too late, i already nuked the mod. no banhammer though. i don't consider being behind the times on lame memes to be a bad thing.
[23:22:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> sides, i already handed out a six month mod-ban today. got my desire to abuse peons out of my system for a couple hours.
[23:23:58] <Notsanguine> TheMightyBuzzard, do you need to modban often?
[23:24:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> almost never.
[23:24:09] <Notsanguine> I figured
[23:24:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> that was the first this year. i don't expect another until summer at the earliest.
[23:24:40] <Notsanguine> Well, it's heartening to know that while there are just a very few, there's at least one asshole here
[23:25:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> persistent as well. six month bans mean you've already served out a one month one.
[23:26:00] <Notsanguine> wow. an asshole *and* dumb. A rare and wonderful combination. :)
[23:26:24] <Notsanguine> Although it seems kind of silly to abuse moderation. I'd find it much more satisfying to just troll folks who annoy me.
[23:26:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight. time to go smoke and check the coals. got some >2" thick ribeyes going on the fire here in a bit.
[23:26:40] <Notsanguine> uh oh. Perhaps I've said too much. :)
[23:26:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> Notsanguine, preaching to the choir, bud.
[23:27:16] <Notsanguine> Enjoy your smoke and your dinner TMB. I'm marinating some ribs for tomorrow night myself.
[23:27:32] <mechanicjay> Holy Fucking Shit, AWS can suck a duck.
[23:27:57] <Notsanguine> mechanicjay: just for imagery's sake, which end of the duck?
[23:28:35] <mechanicjay> the underside so it can choke to death on the duck's surprisingly long dick.
[23:28:54] <mechanicjay> ...this is a publiclally logged channel isnt' it...
[23:31:38] <Notsanguine> IIUC, it is logged. Perhaps a turtle would be more apropos in this circumstance?
[23:31:39] <Notsanguine> https://blogs.scientificamerican.com
[23:31:40] <systemd-blockchaind> ^ 03Terrifying sex organs of male turtles - Scientific American Blog Network
[23:32:07] <Notsanguine> But then it wouldn't be immediately understood, I guess
[23:32:27] <mechanicjay> dear lord!
[23:33:20] <Notsanguine> I had a friend who had a turtle and she loved going on about how well endowed her pet was. It was kinda creepy actually
[23:46:35] <mechanicjay> Yeah, that sounds weird. When discussing why I like my pets, schlong size has never been on the list of considered attributes.
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