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[01:36:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA's GOLD Makes It Into Orbit After Fears It Was Lost - http://sylnt.us - all-things-come-to-those-who-wait
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[01:48:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Good Evening, Gentlemen.
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[02:11:54] <Deucalion> Arse
[02:20:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, you rang?
[02:20:40] <Deucalion> chromas, nothing offends me. When you think about it, what can anyone say or do that is actually offensive day to day? Shit on your shoes? Had that once last year.. homeless guy shat on one trouser leg and my shoes as they made their way into the public bog early morning. Is that they or me being offensive?
[02:21:00] <Deucalion> TheMightyBuzzard, do you ever sleep?
[02:21:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> 9-5, religiously
[02:21:41] <Deucalion> I shan't ask for TZ
[02:22:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh you can look that up easily. i'm not surreptitious about where i live.
[02:23:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> my belated dinner is beeping at me from the microwave though. quick, Deucalion, to the buzzard cave!
[02:24:29] <Deucalion> Nah - your on some protected TZ that if I look it up I get prosecuted if I enter nature hugging casino land at any point and have to pay tax in whiskey...
[02:24:51] <Deucalion> Or some such bolocks
[02:28:52] * Deucalion wonders what is in the buzzard cave..... wanders.... newp that's ripe smelling.... wanders closer... is that an arm on the floor...... closer still... oh the smelll... and why the candles... you sick bastard... that's the arm from a 90's Barbie Ken doll isn't it!!!!! You are the EBILSZZ!! I knew it.
[02:30:44] * Deucalion accepts it's best not to look too closely at the scavengers' predilictions or home life
[02:31:17] <Deucalion> ^sed awk someshit "belatedly"
[02:35:47] * Deucalion force feeds TheMightyBuzzard raw fish - you caught it, you eat it.
[03:14:10] * chromas tries to offend Deucalion with some r/e swapping and omissions of the letter "u" after "o"
[03:19:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> Hey fool, haven't you heard? Heaven's not overflowing.
[03:19:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> #yt Heavens not overflowing
[03:19:19] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[03:19:20] <upstart> ^ 031. Heaven's Not Overflowing - YouTube
[03:25:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Alt-Right Neo-Nazis Are Targeting the Women's March - http://sylnt.us - You-fight-like-a-girl
[03:26:32] <chromas> oh noes. what will the vagina hat marches do
[03:35:23] <chromas> Almost got a Bingo from just the second paragraph
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[04:09:59] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[04:09:59] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[04:10:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> pornnchicken++
[04:10:11] <Bender> karma - pornnchicken: 1
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[04:23:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> okey doke. i've had my fine cinema, my fine whiskey, and my fine cuisine for the evening. time for bed.
[04:24:18] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: s/(u.*)e/o\1/
[04:24:18] <upstart> <TheMightyBuzzard> okey doke. i've had my fine cinema, my fine whiskey, and my fine co\1d.
[04:24:34] <chromas> if I weren't so lazy
[04:29:36] <chromas> oh hey, Mr AC LEDs still posts on slashdot
[04:30:05] <chromas> I thought he died or something
[04:32:20] <user> who he?
[04:35:30] <chromas> Back in the days of yore, when SN was still new, he had much to say of LEDs, which he made well-known he plugged directly into AC, and also had the capacity to invoke a 400TB/s DDoS (but he also wanted us to know it didn't count as a DDoS)
[04:36:29] * chromas misses all the colorful chara—characters of color we used ot have
[04:49:05] <user> some of that vaguely rings a bell
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[05:47:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Spanish Use is Steady Or Dropping in U.S. Despite High Latino Immigration - http://sylnt.us - lo-siento-abuelos
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[06:14:55] <Sulla> Cigar++
[06:14:55] <Bender> karma - cigar: 28
[07:38:22] <chromas> Wait, but the internet said immigation was dropping and hispanics were all leaving
[08:17:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Human Brains Became More Rounded over 200,000+ Years - http://sylnt.us - the-perfect-shape-is-the-circle
[09:07:33] <chromas> Not enough square meals
[10:36:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - President Trump Ordered Special Counsel Mueller Fired - http://sylnt.us - lifesyles-of-the-rich-and-famous
[11:38:21] <SoyGuest36073> https://www.youtube.com
[11:38:22] <upstart> ^ 03The First Honest Cable Company | Net Neutrality - YouTube
[11:55:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:55:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3899
[11:57:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> my cable company (from which i get only internet, not cable) is honest. they said right at the outset that they were a bunch of fucking hippies. bragged about having the first EV charging station in town while we were just trying to get them to hook us up to the internet.
[12:37:54] <SoyGuest36073> ANyone noticed youtube being really slow recently - I just downloaded that vid at 1 Mbps :(
[12:46:53] <SoyGuest36073> only the HD stuff, I can download muxed vids at 50Mbps happily.
[12:51:51] <chromas> it's those net neutralities being carted off by Ajit Pai.
[12:52:48] <chromas> I did have a youtube burp earlier, where it quit playing for a bit. Not HD though.
[12:55:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Only 1% of World's Population Grabbed 82% of all 2017 Wealth - http://sylnt.us - I-got-mine!-And-Yours.-And-Yours.-Annnnnd-yours,-too.
[12:58:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've noticed google not working worth a shit but then i remembered i'd updated my browser a couple times without restarting it
[13:13:29] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:13:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3900
[13:21:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[13:21:49] * exec homogeneously reverse-engineers a caravan palace of off-by-ones from Bytram
[13:22:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i could totally see that.
[13:31:17] <Bytram> *chuckes*
[13:31:20] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[13:31:22] * exec allegedly pours a cat box of pecan sandies for TheMightyBuzzard
[13:31:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> also fair
[13:31:58] <Bytram> #g toxoplasmosis
[13:31:58] <MrPlow> https://www.mayoclinic.org - "Oct 3, 2017 ... Overview. Toxoplasmosis (tok-so-plaz-MOE-sis) is a disease that results from infection with the Toxoplasma gondii parasite, one of the world's most common parasites. Infection usually occurs by eating undercooked contaminated meat, exposure from infected cat feces, or mother-to-child transmission ..."
[13:32:22] <Bytram> just make sure it is an unused cat box and you should be fine
[13:33:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: just found out something today... did you know that stripe supports... Apple Play
[13:33:45] <Bytram> #g stripe apple pay
[13:33:45] <MrPlow> https://stripe.com - "With Stripe's straightforward integration, you can add support for Apple Pay on the Web with just a few simple steps. How It Works. It takes as little as 10 minutes to support Apple Pay on the Web. View the JS Guide. Verify your domain. Register your domain in the Dashboard and upload a small verification file to your site."
[13:33:46] <upstart> ^ 03Stripe: Apple Pay on the Web
[13:34:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yep. nobody's asked for it as a payment method though so i'm not screwing with it.
[13:35:56] <Bytram> I can understand that. OTOH, if it is as "easy" to implement as it sounds, would be nice to get another way to get $$ for the site -- it appears that subs have been slacking a bit over time
[13:58:41] <Bytram> gonna be a lonnnng day... scheduled to work 12:30pm to 9:30pm -- then back at it at 10am sunday but need to scoot out for a long lunch to attend a memorial service for a friend who died suddenly
[14:00:22] <Bytram> https://twitter.com
[14:00:23] <upstart> ^ 03Chris G - NSF on Twitter: "Guys... are you ready!? #FalconHeavy LAUNCH DATE!February 6th, with a backup on the 7th.Launch time is 13:30-16:30 EST (18:30-21:30 UTC)#ItsHappening"
[14:01:18] <Bytram> Hmmm, is not yet up on spaceflight now ( https://spaceflightnow.com )
[14:01:19] <upstart> ^ 03Launch Schedule – Spaceflight Now
[14:04:33] <Bytram> I see nothing, as yet, on the twitter feeds of ElonMusk or SpaceX
[14:04:40] <Bytram> ~weather cape canaveral
[14:04:41] <exec> 10Cape Canaveral, FL - currently 68°F / 20°C, partly cloudy, wind E at 14 mph, humidity 72% - Saturday mostly cloudy (65°F:72°F / 18°C:22°C), Sunday scattered thunderstorms (64°F:74°F / 18°C:23°C), Monday scattered thunderstorms (51°F:71°F / 11°C:22°C), Tuesday sunny (50°F:60°F / 10°C:16°C)
[14:06:50] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[14:06:51] <upstart> ^ 03Kennedy Space Center Launch Complex 39 - Wikipedia
[14:07:37] <Bytram> #g 28°36′30.2″N 80°36′15.6″W
[14:07:38] <MrPlow> https://www.csun.edu - "28, Arizona - Kingman, 35, 12, N, 114, 1, W, 35.2, 114.0, 11.7, 1300, 35.2, 3912, 58.7, 6524. 29, Arizona - Nogales, 31 .... 105, California - Yuba City, 39, 8, N, 121, 36, W, 39.1, 121.6, 15.6, 1737, 39.1, 4349, 62.6, 6961 ... 136, Florida - Fort Pierce, 27, 28, N, 80, 21, W, 27.5, 80.4, 4.0, 441, 27.5, 3052, 51.0, 5664. 137, Florida - ..."
[14:07:46] <Bytram> lol
[14:09:27] <Bytram> ahh, here we go; this is LC 39-A's coordinates in decimal: 28.608389, -80.604333 as well as DMS: 28° 36′ 30.2″ N, 80° 36′ 15.6″ W
[14:12:21] <Bytram> http://forecast.weather.gov
[14:12:22] <upstart> ^ 03National Weather Service
[14:12:46] <Bytram> Feb 6th & 7th are Tues / Wed respectively
[14:16:24] <Bytram> For a graphical forecast (will have to wait for a few days before it covers the projected launch dates): http://forecast.weather.gov
[14:16:24] <upstart> ^ 03Hourly Weather Forecast for 28.6N 80.62W (Elev. 3 ft)
[14:21:24] <Bytram> #g quis custodiet ipsos custodes
[14:21:25] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? is a Latin phrase found in the work of the Roman poet Juvenal from his Satires (Satire VI, lines 347–348). It is literally translated as \"Who will guard the guards themselves?\", though it is also known by variant translations. The original context deals with the problem of ensuring marital fidelity, ..."
[14:21:25] <upstart> ^ 03Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? - Wikipedia
[14:22:09] <chromas> https://www.wunderground.com
[14:22:09] <upstart> ^ 03WunderMap® | Interactive Weather Map and Radar | Weather Underground
[14:24:31] <Bytram> #g fox minding the hen house
[14:24:32] <MrPlow> https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com - "Definition of fox guarding the henhouse in the Idioms Dictionary. fox guarding the henhouse phrase. What does fox guarding the henhouse expression mean? Definitions by the largest Idiom Dictionary."
[14:24:32] <upstart> ^ 03Fox guarding the henhouse - Idioms by The Free Dictionary
[14:25:15] <chromas> https://www.flightradar24.com
[14:25:16] <upstart> ^ 03Flight Tracker | Flightradar24 | Track Planes In Real-Time
[14:25:44] * Bytram wonders if FH has the appropriate transducer for it to be tracked there.
[14:25:45] * chromas puts a wolf in the henhouse. they're more efficient than foxes
[14:25:58] <Bytram> How would YOU know?
[14:26:11] <chromas> Scientific method.
[14:26:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - President Trump Backed Off from Ordering Special Counsel Mueller Fired - http://sylnt.us - lifesyles-of-the-rich-and-famous
[14:28:12] <chromas> Oh, that must've been updated
[14:28:28] <Bytram> yup... slightly de-sensationalized the title.
[14:29:47] <chromas> But how will we get those clicks?
[14:30:50] * chromas clicks with the anti-click clique.
[14:31:30] <Bytram> hmmm, how does that phrase go? something about if you've done nothing wrong, what do you have to fear?
[14:32:19] <Bytram> generally trotted out to justify overreaching surveillance
[14:32:26] <chromas> You have nothing to fear when fear strikes out.
[14:32:46] <Bytram> how did this get to baseball?
[14:33:12] <chromas> Just trying to cover the bases
[14:34:06] <chromas> If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear
[14:35:29] <Bytram> close, but still not quite it
[14:35:30] <chromas> That's why kids are afraid of corporal punishment. Fear of getting their hides tanned.
[14:35:44] <Bytram> it's mnore along the lines of trying to justify big brother surveillance...
[14:35:56] <Bytram> why are you concerned... unless you've done something wrong? eh?
[14:36:01] <Bytram> btw: https://www.youtube.com
[14:36:02] <upstart> ^ 03Abbott & Costello Who's On First - YouTube
[14:37:06] <chromas> #yt animaniacs who is on stage
[14:37:06] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[14:37:07] <upstart> ^ 03Slappy Squirrel - Who's on Stage? - YouTube
[14:37:34] <chromas> Cartoons that ripped off old comedy bits were the best
[14:38:45] <Bytram> I was well into my 20's before I realized that the music to Bugs Bunny's cartoon "Barber of Seville" was not written to accompany the cartoon, but that instead they had written the cartoon to accompany the music!
[14:39:04] <Bytram> ditto with a couple other shows whose names escape me atm
[14:39:13] <Bytram> coffee++ biab
[14:39:13] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3901
[14:39:53] <chromas> The internet says today is Chocolate Cake Day.
[14:40:44] <Bytram> chocolate cake in the morning is the smell of victory... or somethin' like that
[14:41:13] <chromas> "Chocolate: It's not just for breakfast anymore"
[14:41:21] <Bytram> Touche'
[14:41:34] <Bytram> chromas++ that was a GOOD one!
[14:41:34] <Bender> karma - chromas: 201
[14:41:46] <Bytram> noice
[14:41:55] <Bytram> !karma Bytram
[14:41:55] <Bender> karma of bytram is 94
[14:42:00] <Bytram> !karma martyb
[14:42:00] <Bender> karma of martyb is 16
[14:42:11] * Bytram has some catching up to do
[14:42:22] * Bytram after he gets his coffee.. biab
[14:42:31] <chromas> You just need to run your mouth a lot more :)
[14:45:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> omgwtfbbq. you folks been chatty bastards while i was smoking.
[14:46:32] <Sulla> This trump firing muller thing is some grade a fake news
[14:54:30] <Sulla> That is to say I dont doubt that trump would in a time of rage demand such a thing, but that the media keeps running articles that prove time and time again to be false yet they fall for the same thing every time. The memo will come out and they will use this muller thing on the fake news to hide it
[15:02:39] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[15:02:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> quite likely
[15:09:57] <Bytram> Ultimately, whatever Mueller may find, if anything, would have to be brought out in the open and, presumably, to a court of law (or similar? I don't know exactly) for the facts to be aired and a decision made in light of those revelations.
[15:10:34] <Bytram> If the president has done nothing wrong, then Mueller would have nothing to find, and that would be the end of that, right?
[15:11:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> bad argument, that. it's the one they use every time they want to violate the 4th amendment.
[15:13:39] <Bytram> but if it is okay for the administration to trot that one out against others, why is not okay to apply it to them?
[15:17:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fiat Chrysler Exec Pays off Union top Brass - http://sylnt.us - fat-dumb-and-happy
[15:24:17] <Sulla> The administration being worthless hypocrites is no reason to sell rights down the river
[15:24:45] <Sulla> Back when they pushed the patriot act the entire basis was "who cares if the govt is listening if you have nothing to hide"
[15:25:12] <Sulla> I think its highly unlikely that muller will find nothing
[15:25:36] <Sulla> At the very least I am sure he has committed some crimes/near crimes as a businessman they can trot out
[15:29:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's the point. it's not okay to trot out ever.
[15:29:54] <Bytram> so, if you can get away with it, then it's okay?
[15:30:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> "it's not okay ... ever"
[15:30:57] * Bytram confused
[15:30:58] <Sulla> Not okay when trump does it, not okay when hillary does it, not okay when ron-- ron paul would never do it
[15:31:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes he would. he's far from a non-hypocrite.
[15:32:06] <Sulla> Citation needed mother fucker
[15:32:16] <Teckla> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com
[15:32:33] <Bytram> "it's not okay to trot out ever" What is being trotted out? "At the very least I am sure he has committed some crimes/near crimes as a businessman they can trot out" -- to me that would be "crimes/near crimes"... so it's not okay to trot out "crimes/near crimes"??
[15:33:07] <Bytram> hence my comment "so, if you can get away with it, then it's okay?"
[15:33:28] <Sulla> If the prosecution cant prove your guilt legally, then you arent guilty
[15:33:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, it's never okay to use the "if you've got nothing to hide, why won't you submit to invasive probing?" garbage.
[15:34:15] <Bytram> I can agree with that.
[15:34:22] <Sulla> If a cop comes up to your door and tells you to let him in to look for drugs if you have nothing to hide, saying no doesnt make you guilty
[15:34:51] <Sulla> But if you let him in the options are now out of your hands
[15:35:15] <Sulla> He can find drugs, not find drugs, find placed drugs, find stuff that you didnt realize were drugs, etc
[15:35:58] <Sulla> Where is your perscription for this 10 year old bottle of oxy? Why are you such a drug addict?
[15:36:36] <Bytram> most prescriptions I've seen have the patient's name on it
[15:37:45] <Sulla> I have several bottles so old they are faded
[15:37:56] <Sulla> Are they legal? Yes. Do I want to deal with cops? No
[15:38:19] <Sulla> You let them in for drugs, they could find no drugs but other stuff instead
[15:38:53] <Sulla> Cant trust people who are looking to find you guilty of something to advance their career
[15:39:17] <Sulla> So while I dont doubt trump has done something, I do doubt he has done anything with russia
[15:39:46] <Sulla> Is it worth throwing away all of our freedoms to get trump on something unrelated t his crime
[15:43:39] <Bytram> I do not think it is worth "throwing away our freedoms" but, I do believe that Trump would readily engage in a profit-making scheme if he thought he could get away with it, so I do not share your viewpoint on trump' possible dealings with russia.
[15:44:23] <Sulla> What kind of dealings we talking? A business hotel deal or accepting money to become president
[15:46:28] * Bytram has well over 30 years' experience testing computer software and systems -- has learned to sense when there are 'holes' in what is presented... something just doesn't entirely add up. May not be able to explain exactly what the discrepancy is at that moment, but there's something needing closer scrutiny...
[15:46:59] * Bytram has had the alarm bell going off at least weekly during Trump's presidency...
[15:48:11] <Bytram> Don't know if this link still works, but really opened my eyes: "http://ga.video.cdn.pbs.org/videos/frontline/07e181cc-bada-4e53-b8a0-f46dc664895e/277073/hd-1080p-mezzanine-16x9/f6d986a4_00003504-16x9-mp4-baseline.mp4"
[15:48:14] <Teckla> 30 years! Time to put you out to pasture. ;)
[15:49:40] <Bytram> Looks like that video link comes from here: https://www.pbs.org
[15:49:41] <upstart> ^ 03WATCH: Inside the Night President Obama Took On Donald Trump | President Trump | FRONTLINE | PBS | Official Site
[15:49:50] <Bytram> Teckla: wish that I could do so, believe me!
[15:51:25] <Teckla> Bytram: Me too :)
[15:51:29] * Bytram has too much to do before heading in to work early this afternoon
[15:53:02] <Bytram> Can't tell you how many times I've been assigned to test some project, written in a language I've never used before... read through the code base, get an idea of what the syntactical and semantic rules are, and within a week (or two) can start reporting coding errors.
[15:53:28] <Bytram> more recent case-in-point... templates that are used in creating SoylentNews' pages
[15:54:23] <Bytram> read through about a dozen or two samples, and figured out the gist of it pretty readily... is basically an elaborate meta/macro language. thought it was pretty interesting, actually.
[15:54:39] <Bytram> abstractions++
[15:54:39] <Bender> karma - abstractions: 2
[15:54:46] <Bytram> hierarchies++
[15:54:46] <Bender> karma - hierarchies: 1
[15:58:26] <Bytram> time for me to get ready for work... hope to be back in a bit
[16:20:42] <Sulla> Anyone have any experience with roll tubes of dry erase board?
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[16:31:07] * TheMightyBuzzard is having a hell of a lot of fun beating the entire site in a "morality of progressive taxation" argument
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[16:42:30] <pinchy> gibs me dat socialism
[16:51:40] <Sulla> Link?
[17:06:07] <Sulla> That was enjoyable
[17:06:36] <Sulla> When I saw that 80% of the wealth wrnt to the 1% I just assumed it meant only americas economy really recovered in the last year
[17:07:40] <Sulla> America is like 5% of the world population so it seemd to work out for me
[17:11:36] <Sulla> Waging a war on that article entirely on your own
[17:11:39] <Sulla> Tmb++
[17:11:39] <Bender> karma - tmb: 13
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[17:16:51] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[17:16:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> winning it as well
[17:24:22] <Sulla> Pretty sure that everyone paying 10-15% with no loopholes/etc is the fairest system
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[17:36:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - As National Football League Ratings Fall, Could the "XFL" Make a Return? - http://sylnt.us - Rollerball-was-set-in-2018...
[17:36:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck man, they're keepin me busy
[17:39:22] <Sulla> I argue with enough commies at work that I dont want to deal with it online
[17:39:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Sulla, naw. i'd go with a) trim government down to the bare necessities. b) figure out what that costs. c) flat tax half of that. d) take say 60% of the median income and tax every dollar over that at the rate necessary to make up the other half of the money.
[17:40:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not strictly "fair" but it would be more beneficial to the economy overall and thus everyone living in it.
[17:42:28] <Sulla> I kind of want a basic income with the stipulation that anyone who hasnt held a job other than basic income lasting at least three months in the past year cant vote
[17:42:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> what i'm surprised nobody has brought up is that giving those at the bottom an easier avenue to wealth benefits everyone
[17:43:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, make it optional but if you accept it at all you don't get to vote that year.
[17:43:08] <Sulla> Because leftists hate wealth and incentives
[17:43:40] <Sulla> Eh, that would suck for the people who morally believe in working but only make 30k a year
[17:43:50] <Sulla> Im fine with them taking basic because they are at least trying
[17:44:15] <Sulla> Just wanna pay protection money to the commies to keep them from killing the republic
[17:44:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> would not. 30k a year is quite livable most places.
[17:44:33] <Sulla> ~weather eugene oregon
[17:44:35] <exec> 10Eugene, OR - currently 48°F / 9°C, cloudy, wind S at 14 mph, humidity 88% - Saturday showers (47°F:51°F / 8°C:11°C), Sunday partly cloudy (44°F:63°F / 7°C:17°C), Monday cloudy (42°F:60°F / 6°C:16°C), Tuesday showers (36°F:49°F / 2°C:9°C)
[17:44:53] <Sulla> Just seems real punishing of those at the bottom who are willing to work
[17:44:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't negotiate with mobsters. you go elliot ness on their asses.
[17:45:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, 30k is not at the bottom is what i'm saying.
[17:46:12] <Sulla> More of the having to work 33% of the year for what others get for "free" and also you have to pay for them
[17:46:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> someone working minimum wage as an adult should take the UBI and not vote though. they're not contributing anything useful to society if minimum wage is all they can manage.
[17:47:17] <Sulla> But everyone has to start there, I think its beneficial that people who want/are trying to work have a say
[17:47:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> disagree. think about how wise people are when they start.
[17:47:54] <Sulla> Worried about the incentive of industry to try to not have as many workers as possiblee
[17:48:09] <Sulla> Im pretty happy with hjow gen z voted this last election
[17:48:31] <Sulla> The wise vote would have given us a warmonger
[17:48:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're looking at it wrong. the more people on UBI, the higher wages have to go to get the position filled.
[17:49:09] <pinchy> im not familiar with the current welfare system but I always hear the argument where they say once someone gets a job they lose benefits and wind up with less than if they didnt work at all. is that generally true?
[17:49:25] <Sulla> Depending on who you are
[17:49:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, in no conceivable way was hillary the wise choice.
[17:49:51] <pinchy> why is there a 'cliff' or cutoff point built into it? shouldnt it be a gradual curve?
[17:50:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> pinchy, depends on what kind of job you get. you make less on minimum wage than you would on welfare.
[17:50:02] <Sulla> No, its pretty illogical
[17:50:20] <Sulla> You can get 20-35k a year as a single mother
[17:50:23] <pinchy> the more u make the less u receive. until you get to a point u dont get any handouts
[17:50:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> roger. it sense makes no hamburgler.
[17:52:00] <Sulla> For single mothers is hardest. To start with everywhere I have lived has daycare at 7-10/hour
[17:52:27] <Sulla> So right there a job costs 140-200 a week for part time
[17:53:06] <Sulla> Id say just have family watch your kids, but apparently family ties rarely exist for millennials or something
[17:54:24] <Sulla> So when you can get rent assist, wic for food assist, food stamps, then some daycare assist, you have to be at 40k to make it worth getting a job
[17:54:50] <Sulla> Plus then you actually have to work
[17:55:26] <pinchy> here we go https://www.zerohedge.com
[17:56:18] <Sulla> Makes me wish I had no morals
[17:57:08] <Sulla> Could divorce my wife and she collect welfare for her and three kids and 29k working pharmacy and I work making 85/yr
[17:57:26] <Sulla> Know people who d that, is disgusting
[18:01:00] <pinchy> http://www.learnliberty.org
[18:02:16] <pinchy> housing and childcare
[18:11:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> "you have 43 new messages"
[18:13:28] * TheMightyBuzzard has been kicking ALL OF THE ASS
[18:13:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[18:13:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[18:13:30] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 552
[18:14:17] <pinchy> guess the jews
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[18:35:48] <Sulla> It was a glorious battle you raged
[18:40:57] <Sulla> Waged*
[19:34:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org
[19:34:50] <upstart> ^ 03Journal of The Mighty Buzzard (18)
[19:41:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> sometimes you just gotta take that victory lap
[19:41:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> and sometimes you just gotta take that victory nap
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[19:50:58] <Sulla> Went full tmb and took a nap in the middle of the day
[19:51:06] <Sulla> Now I just feel more tired and thirsty
[19:56:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - California Bill Proposes up to 6 Months Imprisonment for Unsolicited Plastic Straws - http://sylnt.us - That's-the-last-straw!
[20:02:22] <SoyGuest36073> pinchy: fudge - that graph's scary, that's one of the worst poverty gaps I've seen in any country, it's utterly retarded.
[20:03:01] <SoyGuest36073> Universal basic income would simply make the that gap disappear instantly, I have no idea why people are against it.
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[21:23:00] <Sulla> Frozen meat lasts forever right? Just gets freezer burnt after a while?
[21:39:17] <SoyGuest36073> I've never believed the limits. No idea why one animal should last better than another either.
[22:17:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Immigration Agency Granted Access to a Nationwide License Plate Recognition Database - http://sylnt.us - Big-Brother-was-polite
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[23:33:04] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[23:33:04] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[23:33:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> freezer burn is a real thing. no meat lasts longer than any other in the freezer unless it's adequately protected against.
[23:34:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> for fish, filling the container with water and removing all air after filling it with fish works a treat. i don't advise this with hamburger.
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[23:50:16] <Sulla> Found a turkey carcus in freezer from two christmas' ago
[23:50:26] <Sulla> Decided to boil it and make turkey and dumpling soup for dinner