#Soylent | Logs for 2017-09-14
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[00:29:12] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: not just sinus infections -- so will a bad case of allergies
[00:32:21] <Bytram> break time
[00:36:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Should the US Put Power Lines Underground? - http://sylnt.us - better-ask-Betteridge
[00:57:28] <Virindi> I really want my power lines to be underground, I am just still looking for someone with enough money to pay for it
[00:57:37] <Virindi> maybe we should call the federal reserve :)
[01:01:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> you think above ground power outages are bad, wait till they have to go digging up a hundred yards of roadside to even find the break.
[01:01:19] <Virindi> at least it would happen less frequently.
[01:01:33] <Virindi> and it already takes over a day 50% of the time for them to fix it
[01:02:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> works in theory. until the conduit floods. and it's gonna take whatever it takes now x10 to fix it.
[01:02:28] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: true that, but the there is a bit lower risk that a falling limb or even an entire tree will cause a power outage to a buried powerline. =)
[01:02:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'true but even entire poles can be put back up rather quickly by a decent crew.
[01:03:11] <Virindi> I have a friend in denver who has owned his house about as long as I have owned mine
[01:03:15] <Virindi> his power is underground
[01:03:20] <Virindi> his power has gone out once
[01:03:27] <Virindi> mine has gone out over 100 times
[01:03:28] <Bytram> assuming reasonable weather conditions...
[01:03:59] <Virindi> yes that number is correct, 100 times
[01:04:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine goes out about once a year and not for more than a couple hours. lots of weather here in TN too.
[01:04:13] * Bytram once watched guys working for at least 8 hours to replace a major water main break, in a *torrential* downpour.
[01:04:28] <Bytram> nevermind the regular blizzards we have in this neck of the woods
[01:04:34] <Virindi> and I have owned my house for maybe 5 or 6 years
[01:04:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> they keep the limbs trimmed around here though.
[01:04:51] * Bytram scrounges around for a UPS to donate to Virindi
[01:05:04] <Virindi> yeah, that's what I said in my post...the power company decided to cease all tree trimming as a policy
[01:05:19] <Bytram> Virindi: facepalm
[01:05:22] <Virindi> all my neighbors have gas-line standby gens
[01:05:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> should get in touch with your local regulatory commission. raise some hell.
[01:06:15] <Virindi> I have. They don't give a shit. They are totally in the pocket of the power company and do whatever the power company wants.
[01:06:38] <Virindi> they have an employee whose job is supposedly to be the advocate for residents...
[01:06:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun. take it public then.
[01:07:10] <Virindi> when you call them, you get a message telling you to call the power company because we are not interested. and no way to leave a message, no number to call to reach the person
[01:07:15] * Bytram is so very grateful that, by no intended decision on his part, has an apartment that is within a few hundred yards of a central switching office for the phone company, a fire station, AND a school. When the power goes out, it does not stay out for more than an hour or two. maybe once a year, at most.
[01:08:18] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: what you said. TV stations and newspapers often have a person who acts as a public advocate -- is amazing what they can accomplish under the light of public scrutiny.
[01:08:46] <Bytram> also try contacting your representative... that's [part of] what they are there for.
[01:08:57] <Bytram> time to make some dinner.. biab
[01:08:58] * TheMightyBuzzard is about to plant a tree in his front yard. right under the cable line they ran smack through the middle of it.
[01:09:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> or maybe a fire pit
[01:09:29] <Virindi> county government is a cabal
[01:09:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> go state then
[01:09:46] <Bytram> call your state rep or senator
[01:09:55] <Virindi> county "representatives" are at large and they frequently skirt public meeting laws
[01:10:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> spread the misery as widely as possible
[01:10:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> may work, may not, but at least everyone who could have done something will be as annoyed as you are.
[01:10:48] <Bytram> lemme rephrase that, your congressperson in Washington DC... if it gets to that point, tell 'em you'll bring it up with the newspaper / TV news / etc.
[01:10:52] <Virindi> the path of less resistance is to get a generator :(
[01:11:33] <Bytram> that all said, sorry to hear about your problems... going without power IS frustrating, indeed.
[01:11:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> screw least resistance. if i'm gonna be pissed off, so are a lot of other folks.
[01:11:47] <Bytram> anyway, stomach is growling... back soon
[01:11:56] <Virindi> btw all my computers have UPSes
[01:12:16] <Bytram> UPSes++
[01:12:16] <Bender> karma - upses: 1
[01:12:20] <Bytram> UPS++
[01:12:20] <Bender> karma - ups: 1
[01:12:23] <Virindi> UPS batteries don't last long enough in either sense (not enough time to restore the outage, and they die off after a year and a half)
[01:12:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly a good idea. i get away without them here and we have trees freakin everywhere.
[01:12:25] <Bytram> lol
[01:12:40] * Bytram has at least 3 UPSs
[01:13:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> build your own with a deep cycle marine battery, a car charger, and an inverter.
[01:13:24] <Virindi> oh I have long considered self-built UPS designs :)
[01:13:36] <Virindi> but the numbers are against batteries here.
[01:13:47] * TheMightyBuzzard always wanted to get about two dozen and UPS the whole house
[01:13:48] <Virindi> a single deep cycle would not be anywhere near sufficient
[01:14:35] <Virindi> average power outage is about 16 hours (the fastest restorations are 2 hours, the worst outages are 10-14 days)
[01:14:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads
[01:15:18] <Virindi> a few years ago two hurricanes came through at the end of the summer and we lost power for 14 days on the first, then 10 days on the second three weeks later
[01:15:28] <Virindi> and I don't live on the coast.
[01:15:53] <Virindi> that is not super common though
[01:16:16] <Virindi> a bank that could work for 24 hours would be sufficient for 90% of problems
[01:17:07] <Virindi> my biggest problem is that AGM lead acid has such a short lifespan
[01:17:11] <Virindi> otherwise I would load up on them
[01:17:19] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:17:25] <Virindi> after two years they are pretty much junk
[01:17:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> they don't really. they're quite easy to recondition.
[01:17:39] <Bytram> oth, during an outage, would you not reduce your active load? e.g. turn off/down AC, etc.
[01:17:55] <Virindi> yeah I'm talking about just keeping the servers running actually
[01:18:09] <Virindi> what do you do to recondition agm, tmb?
[01:18:15] <Bytram> powerwall ??
[01:18:30] <Virindi> that would be pretty sweet :)
[01:18:45] <Virindi> too bad the solar situation is "noap"
[01:18:57] <Virindi> too many trees, the house is always in shade
[01:19:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i forget precisely how. it's like drain them and some mixture of water and washing soda. let sit for so long. refill with distilled water and epsom salts. charge.
[01:19:10] <Bytram> get an Tesla P100 and run your house off the car battery
[01:19:59] <Virindi> I have tons of dead agm batteries, I opened a couple and they were definitely not drained off
[01:20:05] <Virindi> some have bulged though
[01:20:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> tried it before. it does work.
[01:20:25] <Virindi> I was actually considering, melting down the lead, skimming off the sulfation as dross, and recasting plates
[01:20:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's generally just easier to go buy another since most of the time it's for my car that i need it and i need my car now.
[01:21:42] <Bytram> #yt vQ5MA685ApE
[01:21:42] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[01:21:52] <Bytram> https://www.youtube.com
[01:21:53] <upstart> ^ 03YouTube
[01:21:56] <Bytram> lol
[01:21:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> well that's an interesting approach
[01:22:06] <Bytram> "Moving online webserver using public transport"
[01:22:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~titles on
[01:22:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~title on
[01:22:20] <exec> titles enabled for 10#Soylent
[01:22:51] <Virindi> wait what, they didn't want to turn it off so they soldered on a power cable........awesome
[01:22:56] <Virindi> I've wondered about doing that before
[01:23:26] <Bytram> thought you might appreciate it!
[01:23:51] <Bytram> Now THAT is what I call a 'hack' in the truest, old-school sense of the word.
[01:24:13] * TheMightyBuzzard looks over at his sword and begs to differ
[01:25:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> guns are all well and good but swords don't run out of bullets. this is a concern come zombie apocalypse.
[01:25:58] <Virindi> jeez comon, what kind of red-blooded american are you
[01:26:13] <Virindi> you are supposed to have enough bullets to kill every zombie that could be created
[01:26:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, fine, i just like death-dealing stuff. my actual zombie plan is to get bitten and lounge around eating tasty, tasty brains.
[01:28:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> mind you, i'll probably kill a whole lot of zombies first. not because i'm trying to stay alive, just for the fun.
[01:29:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean, no sense in letting all my ammo go to waste...
[01:29:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[01:29:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[01:29:44] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 464
[01:30:02] <Virindi> yeah, you wouldn't want some scrappy survivors to come along and loot your stuff after you are gone
[01:30:09] <Virindi> jerks
[01:33:32] <Virindi> I'm surprised their UPS had enough juice for this
[01:34:33] <Bytram> well, it did 'weight' 70 Kg!
[01:36:43] <Virindi> sweet :)
[01:37:07] <Bytram> IIRC, that was a 4-hour trip, start-to-finish
[01:38:26] <Bytram> approximately, from 5 to 9 pm, but they had to do it in the rain, of course!
[01:38:49] <Virindi> yeah those UPSes are a lot bigger than the one I have for my router, which contains 6x ub1280 (576wh) and those run my router for like 5 hours (core2quad q6600)
[01:39:02] <Bytram> and... because of vibration concerns, all non-train traveling required the server to be carried for vibration considerations.
[01:39:25] <Bytram> that is some router you got there!
[01:39:43] <Virindi> yeah I don't believe in consumer routers :)
[01:39:53] <Bytram> is there nothing more efficient that could handle the load for you ( and thus improve your uptime during a power outage? )
[01:39:54] <Virindi> only x86 linux boxen
[01:40:30] <Virindi> oh there is, it also runs a webserver. I switched it to quad awhile back when it was running another cpu-heavy service that it is no longer running
[01:40:54] <Bytram> a very powerful router, with no power, is prolly not so useful as a raspi that can run for days on battery. ;)
[01:40:55] <Virindi> but it only uses like 100w
[01:41:05] <Bytram> not *so* bad.
[01:41:14] * Bytram goes to check on his dinner
[01:44:27] <Virindi> there wouldn't be any point in keeping a router going if the services that ran through it went down
[01:44:38] <Virindi> eg website, etc
[01:45:16] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:01:59] * Bytram resurfaces after falling down the rabbit hole of reading about the Hamburg U-Bahn: https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:02:00] <exec> └─ 13Hamburg U-Bahn - Wikipedia
[02:02:57] <Bytram> that video about moving a running server took them through these stops/stations:
[02:03:00] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:03:00] <upstart> ^ 03Mümmelmannsberg (Hamburg U-Bahn station) - Wikipedia
[02:03:01] <exec> └─ 13Mümmelmannsberg (Hamburg U-Bahn station) - Wikipedia
[02:03:08] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:03:08] <upstart> ^ 03Berliner Tor station - Wikipedia
[02:03:09] <exec> └─ 13Berliner Tor station - Wikipedia
[02:03:15] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:03:16] <upstart> ^ 03Hammer Kirche (Hamburg U-Bahn station) - Wikipedia
[02:03:17] <exec> └─ 13Hammer Kirche (Hamburg U-Bahn station) - Wikipedia
[02:04:07] <Bytram> and, with that, I think I'm gonna call it a day and try to hit the sack at a semi-human time tonight!
[02:04:14] <Bytram> ~gnight #Soylent
[02:04:16] * exec literally twerks a gift of coal for #Soylent
[02:05:09] <Bytram> !uid
[02:05:09] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6707, owned by Shinobi
[02:06:25] <Bytram> laters!
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[02:16:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Waymo v. Uber Continues, Will Not Move to Arbitration - http://sylnt.us - self-driving-litigation
[03:14:28] <chromas> https://arstechnica.com
[03:14:30] <exec> └─ 13Martin Shkreli is headed to jail | Ars Technica
[03:14:31] <upstart> ^ 03Martin Shkreli is headed to jail | Ars Technica
[03:14:38] <chromas> it's ars so it's tech-related, right?
[03:47:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Watch Series 3 Hands-on: LTE Could Be the Watershed Moment - http://sylnt.us - watch-out!
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[03:58:15] <takyon> I subbed the martin shkreli story chromas
[03:58:26] <takyon> it's tech related because it's about a Facebook post
[03:58:36] <chromas> lol
[03:59:27] <chromas> Also isn't he that pharma guy everyone hates for the moment?
[03:59:42] <takyon> yeah and he has the unreleased wu-tang clan album on ebay
[04:00:02] <takyon> the guy is a troll extraordinaire. not even letting his upcoming spell in prison get in the way of his trolling
[04:00:28] <takyon> I love that feeling when somebody submits something I was too lazy to submit and I get to close one of my 50 open tabs: https://soylentnews.org
[04:00:29] <upstart> ^ 03Space Builds Better Bugs?: SoylentNews Submission
[04:00:30] <exec> └─ 13Space Builds Better Bugs?: SoylentNews Submission
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[04:50:12] <exec> welcome chromas: Walla Walla, WA, USA, 17°C/62°F, 9:50 pm GMT-7, Wednesday, 13 September 2017
[05:17:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Radar Evidence of Ground Ice Found on Vesta - http://sylnt.us - where'd-they-hide-the-blender?
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[06:47:13] <chromas> surface_mount--
[06:47:13] <Bender> karma - surface_mount: -1
[06:56:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chaos as Toshiba Tries to Sell Memory Business - http://sylnt.us - chipped-away
[08:26:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - If America Lost Its Electricity to an Electromagnetic Shock - http://sylnt.us - living-off-the-grid
[09:55:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Federal Government, Concerned About Cyberespionage, Bans Use of Kaspersky Labs Products - http://sylnt.us - prudence-or-paranoia?
[10:43:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:43:00] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3649
[10:47:22] Talos is now known as chanswerve
[10:47:42] chanswerve is now known as Talos
[10:49:05] <Bytram> coffee++
[10:49:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3650
[10:49:10] <Bytram> !uid
[10:49:10] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6707, owned by Shinobi
[11:00:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[11:00:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[11:00:21] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 465
[11:10:55] <Bytram> break time
[11:26:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sweden Doubles Down on Data Retention Surveillance - http://sylnt.us - the-eye-of-sauron
[11:27:07] <chromas> Stockholm syndrome
[11:30:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg. i don't feel like writing embedded C this morning.
[11:31:05] <Bytram> then set it free?
[11:31:21] <Bytram> how are your sinuses? doin any bettah?
[11:31:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> same same
[11:31:37] <Bytram> nod nod sneeze sneeze
[11:31:47] <Bytram> hot and sour soup ++
[11:32:06] <Bytram> (extra spicy)
[11:32:26] <Bytram> also, spring rolls with chinese hot mustard -- will clear whatever has clogged my sinuses
[11:32:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll do up the reading of the config vars from eeprom and then play some vidya unless i feel a bit more inspired.
[11:32:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh mine ain't clogged, just hurty.
[11:32:56] <Bytram> blargh.
[11:33:05] <Bytram> got nothin for ya then. sorry bout that
[11:33:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[11:33:41] * Bytram just merged the MIT 'senior house' stories... wish me luck
[11:34:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> left eustachian tube, left inner ear, both sinuses. fun.
[11:35:29] <Bytram> hurty but NOT clogged? dunno that I've ever experienced that.
[11:36:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's all kinds of fun, let me tell yas.
[11:36:52] <Bytram> feel free to tell me
[11:41:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... do i wanna read the eeprom in a function or directly in the setup function?
[11:42:40] <Bytram> abstractions++ ??
[11:42:40] <Bender> karma - abstractions: 1
[11:43:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> embedded, so abstractions are not necessarily a good or desired thing.
[11:43:35] <Bytram> given what I've seen you post here about the device, there may be a certain deficiency of consistency -- an abstraction allows you to consistify your 'language' of access/manipulation
[11:44:12] <Bytram> what are we talking about... *maybe* an extra 100 bytes?
[11:44:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> direct_access++
[11:44:47] <Bender> karma - direct_access: 1
[11:44:50] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[11:46:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, this needs split out into functions. otherwise ima have to comment stuff just to break up the functional chunks o code.
[11:46:18] <Bytram> =)
[11:49:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> now... data layout... think i'll have a smoke and ponder on it. the eeprom has to be accessed byte by individua byte. i could abstract that away but a universal abstraction would not be worth it since it's only going to be written to twice, ever, and read only on boot up.
[11:49:41] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:49:43] * exec insatiably liberates a D cup of EF's extensions from TheMightyBuzzard
[11:49:44] <cmn32480> ~gday Bytram
[11:49:46] * exec mistakenly derives a wad of virtual private nipples from Bytram
[11:49:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[11:49:48] * exec derisively crams an XFS volume of snookies into cmn32480
[11:50:48] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: or so you plan... not gonna need a *reset* function (think flakey power spike or somesuch? Send a scream to your server that you are restarting (or do you poll these devices instead of push?) and then do the reset.
[11:50:53] <Bytram> oh.
[11:50:53] <Bytram> )
[11:52:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, watchdog timer can reset it if it's ever in a hung state
[11:52:17] <Bytram> kewel.
[11:52:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> handy things, them.
[11:52:39] <Bytram> just trying to poke holes in thgings ahead of your implementation -- easier to fix, now
[11:52:42] <Bytram> truly
[11:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> according to TR, missing a day's worth of data is "No Big Deal", so no sd card storage on the production systems.
[11:54:32] <Bytram> Teddy Roosevelt?
[11:54:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> the roomie.
[11:54:44] <Bytram> ;)
[11:55:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's the entire east coast service division for this company.
[11:55:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> well not east coast. eastern half of the us.
[11:55:37] * cmn32480 thinks about trying to sell one in Maine just for fun
[11:55:43] <Bytram> that's big enough
[11:56:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya. and most days he gets paid to sit on his ass cause he don't do shoddy work.
[11:56:49] * cmn32480 sighs wistful;ly
[11:56:55] <cmn32480> must be nice
[11:57:11] <Bytram> thas the way to do it... money for nothin' and your chicks for free
[11:57:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a disgustingly sweet job.
[11:58:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> he generally works one week out of four. with quarterly spikes of an extra day or two. the rest of the time he sits at home or rides around in his new company truck with them paying for the fuel.
[11:59:26] <Bytram> sweet, indeed
[11:59:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'partly why we're doing up this project. he's wicked bored.
[11:59:39] <upstart> <TheMightyBuzzard> he generally works one week out of four. with quarterly spikes of an extra day or two. the rest of the time he sits at home or rides around in his new company truck with them paying for the fuel.
[11:59:48] * boru chuckles.
[11:59:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake upstart
[11:59:49] * MrPlow smakes upstart upside the head with five across the eyes
[12:01:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, i was gonna go smoke.
[12:01:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[12:01:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[12:01:20] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 466
[12:12:22] <Bytram> time to get some things done IRL. have a great day everyone!
[12:12:37] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: good luck with your design/coding
[12:12:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy the exciting world of retail
[12:57:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chelsea Manning, Newly Freed from Military Prison, Speaks in San Francisco - http://sylnt.us - sniff-sniff-I-have-a-very-bad-code
[14:36:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Burger-Flipping Robot Will Grill Meat in 50 Fast Food Restaurants - http://sylnt.us - how-many-hours-@-$15
[15:14:03] <Bytram> hmmm, is dev having problems?
[15:14:05] <Bytram> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:14:29] <Bytram> I get 'unable to connect'
[15:15:53] <cmn32480> somebody broked it
[15:17:17] <Bytram> cmn32480: are you having any success loading dev?
[15:17:24] <cmn32480> nope
[15:17:34] <cmn32480> somebody (likely NCommander or TheMightyBuzzard broked it
[15:17:41] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:17:45] <Bytram> thanks for the confirmation!
[15:18:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> loads fine from boron. might be the firewall or something.
[15:18:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, no, it's https that's not loading. works fine on port 80
[15:18:47] <Bytram> could one of the migrations be a factor?
[15:18:48] <cmn32480> somebody broked it
[15:19:43] <Bytram> wait, it loads fine on port 80? I thought we had something that only allowed https access?
[15:20:06] <Bytram> ~blame
[15:20:07] * exec points at Bytram
[15:20:19] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[15:20:52] <Bytram> I launched a monitor on my browser, and get no response at all from the initial request.
[15:22:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait... hang on...
[15:22:25] <Bytram> ping works
[15:22:42] <Bytram> well: ping dev.soylenews.org
[15:24:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nginx wasn't started
[15:24:31] <Bytram> well, that would do it.
[15:24:46] <Bytram> ta dah!
[15:24:54] <Bytram> that's much better... thanks!
[15:25:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's probably just not set to start in the default runlevel but i don't care right now.
[15:25:30] <Bytram> what server is it on?
[15:25:53] <Bytram> lithium, it seems.
[15:27:10] * Bytram just checked and the staff site loaded fine
[15:44:55] <cmn32480> goddamnit
[15:45:03] <cmn32480> my f**king VCenter server shit the bed
[15:45:31] <Bytram> ouch!!!
[15:46:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, this is why hardware servers are still king. when they piss you off you can beat them with blunt objects and relieve stress.
[15:46:33] <Bytram> and see lotsa spitzen sparken, too!
[15:46:48] * TheMightyBuzzard loves letting the magic smoke out
[15:46:55] <Bytram> ROFL!
[15:47:13] <cmn32480> nah.. all I have to do is log into the physical box and restart it...
[15:47:24] * cmn32480 likes sniffing the magic smoke
[15:47:30] * Bytram crosses fingers
[15:48:12] <cmn32480> this is why I keep the old 6.0 Java console installed on my computer
[15:48:34] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: hmmm, letting out magic smoke... ever take target practice at a butane lighter (say, one with a bad flint wheel, but still containing some fuel)?
[15:48:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. busted em on the sidewalk though.
[15:49:42] <Bytram> catch it right, and I'd think the release of butane along with a ricochet off the metal part might make for some interesting effects.
[15:49:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't do that with Bics though. they always run out of fuel before flint.
[15:49:51] <Bytram> how'd that go?
[15:50:06] <Bytram> dollar store... 3 for a $1
[15:50:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice pop but no fire.
[15:50:30] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:50:59] <Bytram> whacha do? drop a cinder block on it?
[15:51:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i gave up buying anything but bics a while back. it's frustrating as hell seeing fluid in there and not being able to light a cigarette with it.
[15:51:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> fastball at the concrete.
[15:51:32] <Bytram> touche'
[15:51:51] <Bytram> needed some sparken to make it light.
[15:52:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're fun to toss in a camp fire though
[15:52:19] <Bytram> I bet
[15:53:42] * Bytram can't seem to get out of my own way today. took two naps yesterday, and still struggling to wake up today.
[15:53:44] <Bytram> :/
[15:54:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm pondering on a lunch/smoke/nap idea myself.
[15:54:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> got what i set out to get coded today done already. been fucking off for the last couple hours.
[15:55:01] <Bytram> oh, food. what a marvelous idea... /me should prolly have some breakfast
[15:55:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> breakfast is for people without enough coffee
[15:55:34] <Bytram> !grab TheMightyBuzzard
[15:55:34] <Bender> Added quote 841
[15:55:43] <Bytram> THAT is a keeper!
[15:55:49] <mechanicjay> agreed!
[15:56:06] <mechanicjay> I might need a new Soylent mug with that quote on it.
[15:56:35] <Bytram> mechanicjay: howdy!
[15:56:44] <mechanicjay> Yo
[15:56:47] <Bytram> ain't seen ya in ages, how ya be?
[15:56:56] <mechanicjay> Been good, just lurking about mostly.
[15:57:02] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:57:45] <Bytram> good to hear you been good...
[15:58:03] <mechanicjay> How's by you?
[15:58:11] <Bytram> saw a comment the other day from someone with a UID < 60 -- didn't even recognize the nick!
[15:58:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, http://yeticustomshop.com
[15:58:30] <upstart> ^ 03Custom YETI Rambler | YETI Custom Shop
[15:58:35] <exec> └─ 13Custom YETI Rambler | YETI Custom Shop
[15:58:39] <Bytram> fair enough. struggling with the change in season. seems to have tapped my energy/enthusiasm a bit, but still plugging right along.
[15:59:24] <mechanicjay> TheMightyBuzzard: nice
[15:59:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> adds about $10 to the price of an already expensive cup but i luuuuurve mine.
[16:00:01] * Bytram IS looking forward to seeing his favorite formerly-local performer in concert tomorrow evening: http://amyallenmusic.com
[16:00:03] <exec> └─ 13Amy Allen
[16:00:35] <mechanicjay> I'm mostly dreading the start of quarter here in a couple weeks. Tons to do, no motivation to get them done. Biggest issue right now is that Central IT Services has decided to turn off a whole crap-ton of instructional resources that about 50% of profs rely on.
[16:00:43] <mechanicjay> With no real replacement.
[16:00:59] * Bytram first saw her, what, 6 years ago as a solo act on stage at a festival... *just* out of high school and with only a guitar, a tambourine, and one amazing voice.
[16:01:10] <mechanicjay> If we're struggling with this, I can't even imagine how screwed smaller departments are that don't have dedicated IT staff.
[16:01:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> they'll just hafta google like the rest of us
[16:01:32] <Bytram> that sounds distinctly like NOT fun.
[16:02:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[16:02:29] <upstart> ^ 03YouTube
[16:02:30] <exec> └─ 13learn how to roll a joint in 3 minutes [POV - 420Guide] - YouTube
[16:02:31] <Bytram> have you been comparing notes with the other departments? maybe get/share some tricks/techniques/resources ??
[16:02:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> thar ya go. just point em at that.
[16:03:27] <mechanicjay> ha
[16:04:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of rolling...
[16:04:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[16:04:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[16:04:24] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 467
[16:04:34] <mechanicjay> Everyone is kinda feeling their way through this. The biggest sticking points for us are 1) Loss of standard course discussion group solution. 2) Loss of anonymous feedback collection. 3) Loss of...
[16:04:36] <Bytram> break time for me, too... stomach is growling.
[16:04:39] <Bytram> laters!
[16:04:43] <mechanicjay> crap whats the 3rd thing.....
[16:04:44] <Bytram> mechanicjay: good to 'see' ya!
[16:04:48] <mechanicjay> later, maybe I'll remember it by the time you get back.
[16:04:49] <mechanicjay> :)
[16:04:55] <Bytram> lol!
[16:04:57] <Bytram> =)
[16:04:58] <Bytram> laters
[16:13:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, spin up a rehash instance =P
[16:15:32] <mechanicjay> Hmm, a nexus for each course!
[16:15:58] <mechanicjay> I'm actually fucking tempted.
[16:16:21] * cmn32480 gets the popcorn...
[16:17:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FSF Campaign : Public Money Should Mean Public Code - http://sylnt.us - you-can't-use-logic-to-justify-things
[16:17:31] <mechanicjay> We're looking at using google groups, a "free (fuck your data)" service that profs are already moving to.
[16:17:59] <mechanicjay> Some folks tested Discourse last quarter and had a two word feedback after the course was over. "This sucks"
[16:18:23] <mechanicjay> I'm also kinda tempted to spin up a PHPBB or Vbulletin for people to play with
[16:18:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[16:18:34] <mechanicjay> might not be teh sexy enough for the undergrads though
[16:18:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> rehash it is then. if we ain't got retro cred, nobody does.
[16:18:55] <mechanicjay> "we like things you can upvote, like stack overflow!"
[16:19:16] <mechanicjay> Except like onprem stack-overflow is a 6 figure deal to start.
[16:19:22] <cmn32480> f**king spammers in #editorial again
[16:19:41] <cmn32480> we'll do it for 5 figures...
[16:19:46] <mechanicjay> :)
[16:20:12] * cmn32480 likes volunteering NCommander for stuff
[16:21:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> really, you could take the dev vm when i get done with it and monkey it over to any kinda site you wanted in an afternoon.
[16:21:49] <cmn32480> buzzard... shhhhh we trying to make the site some $$ here!
[16:21:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, annoy Deucalion about it. maybe he'll give Talos an OLine
[16:22:45] <cmn32480> I'm sure we coudl find a way to host a rehash instance for you as well... for the right $$
[16:23:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, good point. i say we pimp mechanicjay out as the labor, charge $350/hr for a week or two, and pay him the $50/hr part of it.
[16:23:16] <cmn32480> now yer thinkin!
[16:23:22] <mechanicjay> lol
[16:25:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, time for foods, southpark, and a nap. in that order.
[17:04:11] <NCommander> What did I get olunteered for?
[17:04:23] <NCommander> mechanicjay, disclosure is a fucking pile of fail and web 2.0
[17:04:35] <NCommander> It is the epitiphany of everything wrong with Web 2.0
[17:05:36] <NCommander> mechanicjay, you could just setup a NNTP server and then stick a decent web form on that. Then you get intergration with Thunderbird/most mail clients/and other MAGICKs
[17:06:18] <mechanicjay> Didn't you hear, the kids don't like thick clients. Make it an app or a whiz-bank Ajaxy interface or they don't use it.
[17:06:41] <cmn32480> kids are fucking stupid
[17:06:51] * cmn32480 glares at all the young people in the room
[17:08:55] <cmn32480> coffee++
[17:08:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3651
[17:09:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, stop glaring at NCommander or you'll get fired and not be allowed to do any more unpaid work.
[17:09:51] <cmn32480> and he might get fired and not get any more paid work...
[17:10:56] * TheMightyBuzzard goes to take a nap on the SN clock at time and a half
[17:12:13] <NCommander> cmn32480, we have mutually assured destruction on one another
[17:12:45] <NCommander> mechanicjay, in serious, what about using rehash?
[17:12:53] <NCommander> mechanicjay, I bet I can make it work on VMS :)
[17:13:34] <mechanicjay> LOL
[17:13:46] <cmn32480> nope... I could lose the unpaid work... and be ok... won't hurt my wallet at all.
[17:14:42] <mechanicjay> We're also kind of not eager to be be running "one more thing", but I don't know. I'd need to do some integration work to get it to work with our Shibboleth SSO.
[17:15:07] <mechanicjay> I agree in concept its kinda just what people want, discussion with ratings.
[17:16:09] <mechanicjay> I might spin up a VM and test out an install (I think it's been 3+ years since I've run an install).
[17:16:37] * cmn32480 smiles and waves at NCommander
[17:45:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How the Cassini Mission Led a 'Paradigm Shift' in Search for Alien Life - http://sylnt.us - looking-outside-the-rings
[17:47:05] <Runaway1956> #submit http://www.thedrive.com
[17:47:05] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
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[17:47:30] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[17:47:45] <Runaway1956> also
[17:47:58] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.stripes.com
[17:47:59] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[17:48:01] <exec> └─ 13Why did one of the US Navy's most advanced subs return to port with a pirate flag? - U.S. - Stripes
[17:48:24] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[17:59:44] <NCommander> mechanicjay, it's relatively straightforwad to connect a third party API for login into rehash. It used to support OpenID, and there the hooks are still present
[18:01:10] <NCommander> mechanicjay, I just granted you superadministrator on dev.soylentnews.org
[18:14:57] <mechanicjay> Shib on apache is pretty easy, it basically shoves the authenticated username into REMOTE_USER as basically all apache auth packages does, in addition to a bunch of needed data (like fullname, email address, etc) into different vars.
[18:15:52] <mechanicjay> My general approach is to let apache handle the auth piece (that way the config is standard on all our hosts) and then abuse the application into accepting that either the upstream apache proxy is authoritiave for auth headers or just telling it to trust that a Remote_User is good enough.
[18:16:40] <mechanicjay> ...depends on the application and how smart/braindead it was developed.
[18:28:55] <cmn32480> you seen the rehash code? think the second option!
[18:31:44] <chromas> you could use reddit code :D
[18:36:58] <NCommander> mechanicjay, that's actually not that hard to do TBH, you'd simply need to hook $r->REMOTE_USER in Environment.pm and then dynamically create a user account (there's a method to do so in DB/MySQL.pm)
[18:37:41] <NCommander> mechanicjay, $r is a globally accessible variable (with getFormVariables() if I remember correctly), you can then pull all Apache environment variables in a single go.
[18:38:05] <mechanicjay> hmm.....
[18:38:41] <NCommander> mechanicjay, there's a hook that determines if a user should be logged in or not based off cookies. You'll want to implement the REMOTE_USER check there, and then branch based off that. Rehash requires a user account to exist, but dynamically creating them is pretty trivial.
[18:39:28] <mechanicjay> This would be all behind a login, no public access.
[18:40:15] <cmn32480> Rehash gets Active Directory integration...
[18:40:15] <NCommander> mechanicjay, right, but they'd log into via Apache auth, which exposed through mod_perl. Rehash simply needs new code to look at the Apache authethication variables, and create a user row if necessary so everything else is happy.
[18:40:28] <NCommander> cmn32480, that's actually trivially easy to do. mod_krb5, then what I just described.
[18:42:08] <Bytram> Don't we do have hooks for kerberos? At least the staff site asks for my nick/pwd to get on.
[18:42:10] <NCommander> cmn32480, mechanicjay: the only tricky bit is getting the user email address which rehash needs for sending notifications. Now granted, you could just disable outbound SMTP email.
[18:42:21] <NCommander> Bytram, not for rehash, but we use mod_krb5 for staff resources.
[18:42:32] <Bytram> ahha, got it... thank!
[18:43:29] <NCommander> mechanicjay, the other you could do is simply run the reddit source code. It's an utter bitch to setup (about on par with rehash) but it could also suit your needs.
[18:43:53] <NCommander> (actually, reddit is a bit more annoying. Beside nginx+python, you also need a cassandra instance and a few other things)
[18:44:29] <cmn32480> but it is fancy and snazzy and all the kids will love it
[18:44:32] <mechanicjay> You've just killed my appetite.
[18:44:48] * cmn32480 steals mechanicjay's lunch
[18:44:55] * NCommander steals cmn32480's kerberos principials
[18:48:05] * AndyTheAbsurd steals NCommander's "N", replaces it with a "Cobra"
[18:48:32] * Bytram replaces Commander with Ford
[18:48:57] * cmn32480 makes the Ford a Pinto
[18:48:58] * Bytram wonders if that should have been a shelby, instead?
[18:49:33] * Bytram replaces the "Pin" with a "Burri" and steps off to finally have his lunch
[18:49:42] <Bytram> laters
[18:54:56] NCommander is now known as CobraCommander
[18:55:04] <CobraCommander> BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP ME!
[18:55:05] <CobraCommander> .op
[18:55:05] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o CobraCommander] by Aphrodite
[18:55:12] <CobraCommander> YOU SHALL FEAR MY POWER
[18:55:36] -!- AndyTheAbsurd was kicked from #Soylent by CobraCommander!~mcasadeva@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/mcasadevall [THOU SHALL BE SMITED FOR SUMMONING ME FOOL!]
[18:55:39] <CobraCommander> BAHAHAHAHAH
[18:56:10] <mechanicjay> now look what you guys have done.
[18:56:43] <CobraCommander> mechanicjay, HE HAS MERELY AWAKENED MY TRUE FORM!
[18:57:01] * CobraCommander proceeds to sell SoylentNews.org to DICE to finance my world domination plans.
[18:57:36] <cmn32480> so you gonna dominate the world on $37.19?
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[18:57:41] <exec> welcome AndyTheAbsurd: Saint Petersburg, FL 33701, USA, 31°C/88°F, 2:57 pm GMT-4, Thursday, 14 September 2017
[18:57:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> dammit, exec, I know it's fucking hot outside.
[18:58:05] <CobraCommander> cmn32480, well, I could buy a small african dictatorship at that price
[18:58:15] <cmn32480> fair 'nuff
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[18:58:45] <exec> welcome NCommander: New York, NY, USA, 27°C/80°F, 2:58 pm GMT-4, Thursday, 14 September 2017
[18:59:25] <NCommander> Haven't been able to get on SN for awhile, someone been hogging my nic
[18:59:48] <CobraCommander> NCommander, no, your evil side took over.
[18:59:55] * NCommander sighs
[19:00:47] <NCommander> Not again. Damn it CobraCommander, the last time you got out, we ended up with several billion vietnamese dong worth of debt and an exciting escape from Seoul
[19:01:03] -!- NCommander was kicked from #Soylent by CobraCommander!~mcasadeva@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/mcasadevall [Fuck off and die :)]
[19:01:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> "several billion vietnamese dong"? That's like....a few thousand bucks?
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[19:01:37] <exec> welcome NCommander: New York, NY, USA, 27°C/80°F, 3:01 pm GMT-4, Thursday, 14 September 2017
[19:01:58] <CobraCommander> AndyTheAbsurd, so taking over the world is not a high paying position. Bite me :P
[19:03:26] <AndyTheAbsurd> It's not about the process of taking over, though, is it? It's about the power you have once you complete your takeover.
[19:03:59] <CobraCommander> AndyTheAbsurd, meh, victory is boring
[19:04:06] * CobraCommander goes to plot. Evilly. Muhahahaha
[19:04:09] -!- NCommander [NCommander!~mcasadeva@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/mcasadevall] has parted #Soylent
[19:04:26] CobraCommander is now known as NCommander
[19:05:15] <NCommander> mechanicjay, actually, it turns out reddit went closed source two weeks ago :/ https://www.reddit.com
[19:05:17] <upstart> ^ 03An update on the state of the reddit/reddit and reddit/reddit-mobile repositories : changelog
[19:05:18] <exec> └─ 13An update on the state of the reddit/reddit and reddit/reddit-mobile repositories : changelog
[19:07:49] <mechanicjay> The top couple comments there pretty much sum up my reaction as well. Nice mental gymnastics folks. Bite me.
[19:12:18] <NCommander> Reddit was the de-facto replacement for USENET. I disliked that it was centralized, but always happy that it was open source :/
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[20:38:34] <boru> You what? Replacement for usenet my arse!
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[22:32:48] <chromas> is the "MERGE:" string supposed to be there?
[23:45:53] <Bytram> chromas: I left "Merge:" in on purpose... yes.
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