#Soylent | Logs for 2017-09-14
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[23:57:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - North Korea Fires Another Missile Towards Japan - http://sylnt.us
[23:45:53] <Bytram> chromas: I left "Merge:" in on purpose... yes.
[22:32:48] <chromas> is the "MERGE:" string supposed to be there?
[22:27:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - At MIT, Senior House is No More - http://sylnt.us - all-things-must-come-to-an-end
[20:56:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - President Trump Blocks Acquisition of Lattice Semiconductor - http://sylnt.us - when-the-chips-are-down
[20:42:36] -!- Web_weasel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[20:38:34] <boru> You what? Replacement for usenet my arse!
[19:26:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Satellites Used to Predict Malaria Outbreaks - http://sylnt.us - one-piece-of-the-puzzle
[19:12:18] <NCommander> Reddit was the de-facto replacement for USENET. I disliked that it was centralized, but always happy that it was open source :/
[19:07:49] <mechanicjay> The top couple comments there pretty much sum up my reaction as well. Nice mental gymnastics folks. Bite me.
[19:05:18] <exec> └─ 13An update on the state of the reddit/reddit and reddit/reddit-mobile repositories : changelog
[19:05:17] <upstart> ^ 03An update on the state of the reddit/reddit and reddit/reddit-mobile repositories : changelog
[19:05:15] <NCommander> mechanicjay, actually, it turns out reddit went closed source two weeks ago :/ https://www.reddit.com
[19:04:26] CobraCommander is now known as NCommander
[19:04:09] -!- NCommander [NCommander!~mcasadeva@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/mcasadevall] has parted #Soylent
[19:04:06] * CobraCommander goes to plot. Evilly. Muhahahaha
[19:03:59] <CobraCommander> AndyTheAbsurd, meh, victory is boring
[19:03:26] <AndyTheAbsurd> It's not about the process of taking over, though, is it? It's about the power you have once you complete your takeover.
[19:01:58] <CobraCommander> AndyTheAbsurd, so taking over the world is not a high paying position. Bite me :P
[19:01:37] <exec> welcome NCommander: New York, NY, USA, 27°C/80°F, 3:01 pm GMT-4, Thursday, 14 September 2017
[19:01:34] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v NCommander] by Aphrodite
[19:01:34] -!- NCommander [NCommander!~mcasadeva@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/mcasadevall] has joined #Soylent
[19:01:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> "several billion vietnamese dong"? That's like....a few thousand bucks?
[19:01:03] -!- NCommander was kicked from #Soylent by CobraCommander!~mcasadeva@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/mcasadevall [Fuck off and die :)]
[19:00:47] <NCommander> Not again. Damn it CobraCommander, the last time you got out, we ended up with several billion vietnamese dong worth of debt and an exciting escape from Seoul
[18:59:55] * NCommander sighs
[18:59:48] <CobraCommander> NCommander, no, your evil side took over.
[18:59:25] <NCommander> Haven't been able to get on SN for awhile, someone been hogging my nic
[18:58:45] <exec> welcome NCommander: New York, NY, USA, 27°C/80°F, 2:58 pm GMT-4, Thursday, 14 September 2017
[18:58:42] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v NCommander] by Aphrodite
[18:58:42] -!- NCommander [NCommander!~mcasadeva@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/mcasadevall] has joined #Soylent
[18:58:15] <cmn32480> fair 'nuff
[18:58:05] <CobraCommander> cmn32480, well, I could buy a small african dictatorship at that price
[18:57:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> dammit, exec, I know it's fucking hot outside.
[18:57:41] <exec> welcome AndyTheAbsurd: Saint Petersburg, FL 33701, USA, 31°C/88°F, 2:57 pm GMT-4, Thursday, 14 September 2017
[18:57:39] -!- AndyTheAbsurd [AndyTheAbsurd!~Andy@pifu-e.hardison.net] has joined #Soylent
[18:57:36] <cmn32480> so you gonna dominate the world on $37.19?
[18:57:01] * CobraCommander proceeds to sell SoylentNews.org to DICE to finance my world domination plans.
[18:56:43] <CobraCommander> mechanicjay, HE HAS MERELY AWAKENED MY TRUE FORM!
[18:56:10] <mechanicjay> now look what you guys have done.
[18:55:39] <CobraCommander> BAHAHAHAHAH
[18:55:36] -!- AndyTheAbsurd was kicked from #Soylent by CobraCommander!~mcasadeva@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/mcasadevall [THOU SHALL BE SMITED FOR SUMMONING ME FOOL!]
[18:55:12] <CobraCommander> YOU SHALL FEAR MY POWER
[18:55:05] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o CobraCommander] by Aphrodite
[18:55:05] <CobraCommander> .op
[18:55:04] <CobraCommander> BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP ME!
[18:54:56] NCommander is now known as CobraCommander
[18:49:42] <Bytram> laters
[18:49:33] * Bytram replaces the "Pin" with a "Burri" and steps off to finally have his lunch
[18:48:58] * Bytram wonders if that should have been a shelby, instead?
[18:48:57] * cmn32480 makes the Ford a Pinto
[18:48:32] * Bytram replaces Commander with Ford
[18:48:05] * AndyTheAbsurd steals NCommander's "N", replaces it with a "Cobra"
[18:44:55] * NCommander steals cmn32480's kerberos principials
[18:44:48] * cmn32480 steals mechanicjay's lunch
[18:44:32] <mechanicjay> You've just killed my appetite.
[18:44:29] <cmn32480> but it is fancy and snazzy and all the kids will love it
[18:43:53] <NCommander> (actually, reddit is a bit more annoying. Beside nginx+python, you also need a cassandra instance and a few other things)
[18:43:29] <NCommander> mechanicjay, the other you could do is simply run the reddit source code. It's an utter bitch to setup (about on par with rehash) but it could also suit your needs.
[18:42:32] <Bytram> ahha, got it... thank!
[18:42:21] <NCommander> Bytram, not for rehash, but we use mod_krb5 for staff resources.
[18:42:10] <NCommander> cmn32480, mechanicjay: the only tricky bit is getting the user email address which rehash needs for sending notifications. Now granted, you could just disable outbound SMTP email.
[18:42:08] <Bytram> Don't we do have hooks for kerberos? At least the staff site asks for my nick/pwd to get on.
[18:40:28] <NCommander> cmn32480, that's actually trivially easy to do. mod_krb5, then what I just described.
[18:40:15] <NCommander> mechanicjay, right, but they'd log into via Apache auth, which exposed through mod_perl. Rehash simply needs new code to look at the Apache authethication variables, and create a user row if necessary so everything else is happy.
[18:40:15] <cmn32480> Rehash gets Active Directory integration...
[18:39:28] <mechanicjay> This would be all behind a login, no public access.
[18:38:41] <NCommander> mechanicjay, there's a hook that determines if a user should be logged in or not based off cookies. You'll want to implement the REMOTE_USER check there, and then branch based off that. Rehash requires a user account to exist, but dynamically creating them is pretty trivial.
[18:38:05] <mechanicjay> hmm.....
[18:37:41] <NCommander> mechanicjay, $r is a globally accessible variable (with getFormVariables() if I remember correctly), you can then pull all Apache environment variables in a single go.
[18:36:58] <NCommander> mechanicjay, that's actually not that hard to do TBH, you'd simply need to hook $r->REMOTE_USER in Environment.pm and then dynamically create a user account (there's a method to do so in DB/MySQL.pm)
[18:31:44] <chromas> you could use reddit code :D
[18:28:55] <cmn32480> you seen the rehash code? think the second option!
[18:16:40] <mechanicjay> ...depends on the application and how smart/braindead it was developed.
[18:15:52] <mechanicjay> My general approach is to let apache handle the auth piece (that way the config is standard on all our hosts) and then abuse the application into accepting that either the upstream apache proxy is authoritiave for auth headers or just telling it to trust that a Remote_User is good enough.
[18:14:57] <mechanicjay> Shib on apache is pretty easy, it basically shoves the authenticated username into REMOTE_USER as basically all apache auth packages does, in addition to a bunch of needed data (like fullname, email address, etc) into different vars.
[18:01:10] <NCommander> mechanicjay, I just granted you superadministrator on dev.soylentnews.org
[17:59:44] <NCommander> mechanicjay, it's relatively straightforwad to connect a third party API for login into rehash. It used to support OpenID, and there the hooks are still present
[17:48:24] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[17:48:01] <exec> └─ 13Why did one of the US Navy's most advanced subs return to port with a pirate flag? - U.S. - Stripes
[17:47:59] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[17:47:58] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.stripes.com
[17:47:45] <Runaway1956> also
[17:47:30] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[17:47:07] <exec> └─ 13Why The Navy's Top Spy Submarine Flew A Pirate Flag While Pulling Into Port - The Drive
[17:47:05] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[17:47:05] <Runaway1956> #submit http://www.thedrive.com
[17:45:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How the Cassini Mission Led a 'Paradigm Shift' in Search for Alien Life - http://sylnt.us - looking-outside-the-rings
[17:16:37] * cmn32480 smiles and waves at NCommander
[17:16:09] <mechanicjay> I might spin up a VM and test out an install (I think it's been 3+ years since I've run an install).
[17:15:07] <mechanicjay> I agree in concept its kinda just what people want, discussion with ratings.
[17:14:42] <mechanicjay> We're also kind of not eager to be be running "one more thing", but I don't know. I'd need to do some integration work to get it to work with our Shibboleth SSO.
[17:13:46] <cmn32480> nope... I could lose the unpaid work... and be ok... won't hurt my wallet at all.
[17:13:34] <mechanicjay> LOL
[17:12:53] <NCommander> mechanicjay, I bet I can make it work on VMS :)
[17:12:45] <NCommander> mechanicjay, in serious, what about using rehash?
[17:12:13] <NCommander> cmn32480, we have mutually assured destruction on one another
[17:10:56] * TheMightyBuzzard goes to take a nap on the SN clock at time and a half
[17:09:51] <cmn32480> and he might get fired and not get any more paid work...
[17:09:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, stop glaring at NCommander or you'll get fired and not be allowed to do any more unpaid work.
[17:08:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3651
[17:08:55] <cmn32480> coffee++
[17:06:51] * cmn32480 glares at all the young people in the room
[17:06:41] <cmn32480> kids are fucking stupid
[17:06:18] <mechanicjay> Didn't you hear, the kids don't like thick clients. Make it an app or a whiz-bank Ajaxy interface or they don't use it.
[17:05:36] <NCommander> mechanicjay, you could just setup a NNTP server and then stick a decent web form on that. Then you get intergration with Thunderbird/most mail clients/and other MAGICKs
[17:04:35] <NCommander> It is the epitiphany of everything wrong with Web 2.0
[17:04:23] <NCommander> mechanicjay, disclosure is a fucking pile of fail and web 2.0
[17:04:11] <NCommander> What did I get olunteered for?
[16:25:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, time for foods, southpark, and a nap. in that order.
[16:23:22] <mechanicjay> lol
[16:23:16] <cmn32480> now yer thinkin!
[16:23:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, good point. i say we pimp mechanicjay out as the labor, charge $350/hr for a week or two, and pay him the $50/hr part of it.
[16:22:45] <cmn32480> I'm sure we coudl find a way to host a rehash instance for you as well... for the right $$
[16:21:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, annoy Deucalion about it. maybe he'll give Talos an OLine
[16:21:49] <cmn32480> buzzard... shhhhh we trying to make the site some $$ here!
[16:21:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> really, you could take the dev vm when i get done with it and monkey it over to any kinda site you wanted in an afternoon.
[16:20:12] * cmn32480 likes volunteering NCommander for stuff
[16:19:46] <mechanicjay> :)
[16:19:41] <cmn32480> we'll do it for 5 figures...
[16:19:22] <cmn32480> f**king spammers in #editorial again
[16:19:16] <mechanicjay> Except like onprem stack-overflow is a 6 figure deal to start.
[16:18:55] <mechanicjay> "we like things you can upvote, like stack overflow!"
[16:18:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> rehash it is then. if we ain't got retro cred, nobody does.
[16:18:34] <mechanicjay> might not be teh sexy enough for the undergrads though
[16:18:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[16:18:23] <mechanicjay> I'm also kinda tempted to spin up a PHPBB or Vbulletin for people to play with
[16:17:59] <mechanicjay> Some folks tested Discourse last quarter and had a two word feedback after the course was over. "This sucks"
[16:17:31] <mechanicjay> We're looking at using google groups, a "free (fuck your data)" service that profs are already moving to.
[16:17:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FSF Campaign : Public Money Should Mean Public Code - http://sylnt.us - you-can't-use-logic-to-justify-things
[16:16:21] * cmn32480 gets the popcorn...
[16:15:58] <mechanicjay> I'm actually fucking tempted.
[16:15:32] <mechanicjay> Hmm, a nexus for each course!
[16:13:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, spin up a rehash instance =P
[16:04:58] <Bytram> laters
[16:04:57] <Bytram> =)
[16:04:55] <Bytram> lol!
[16:04:49] <mechanicjay> :)
[16:04:48] <mechanicjay> later, maybe I'll remember it by the time you get back.
[16:04:44] <Bytram> mechanicjay: good to 'see' ya!
[16:04:43] <mechanicjay> crap whats the 3rd thing.....
[16:04:39] <Bytram> laters!
[16:04:36] <Bytram> break time for me, too... stomach is growling.
[16:04:34] <mechanicjay> Everyone is kinda feeling their way through this. The biggest sticking points for us are 1) Loss of standard course discussion group solution. 2) Loss of anonymous feedback collection. 3) Loss of...
[16:04:24] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 467
[16:04:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[16:04:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[16:04:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of rolling...
[16:03:27] <mechanicjay> ha
[16:02:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> thar ya go. just point em at that.
[16:02:31] <Bytram> have you been comparing notes with the other departments? maybe get/share some tricks/techniques/resources ??
[16:02:30] <exec> └─ 13learn how to roll a joint in 3 minutes [POV - 420Guide] - YouTube
[16:02:29] <upstart> ^ 03YouTube
[16:02:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[16:01:32] <Bytram> that sounds distinctly like NOT fun.
[16:01:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> they'll just hafta google like the rest of us
[16:01:10] <mechanicjay> If we're struggling with this, I can't even imagine how screwed smaller departments are that don't have dedicated IT staff.
[16:00:59] * Bytram first saw her, what, 6 years ago as a solo act on stage at a festival... *just* out of high school and with only a guitar, a tambourine, and one amazing voice.
[16:00:43] <mechanicjay> With no real replacement.
[16:00:35] <mechanicjay> I'm mostly dreading the start of quarter here in a couple weeks. Tons to do, no motivation to get them done. Biggest issue right now is that Central IT Services has decided to turn off a whole crap-ton of instructional resources that about 50% of profs rely on.
[16:00:03] <exec> └─ 13Amy Allen
[16:00:01] * Bytram IS looking forward to seeing his favorite formerly-local performer in concert tomorrow evening: http://amyallenmusic.com
[15:59:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> adds about $10 to the price of an already expensive cup but i luuuuurve mine.
[15:59:24] <mechanicjay> TheMightyBuzzard: nice
[15:58:39] <Bytram> fair enough. struggling with the change in season. seems to have tapped my energy/enthusiasm a bit, but still plugging right along.
[15:58:35] <exec> └─ 13Custom YETI Rambler | YETI Custom Shop
[15:58:30] <upstart> ^ 03Custom YETI Rambler | YETI Custom Shop
[15:58:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> mechanicjay, http://yeticustomshop.com
[15:58:11] <Bytram> saw a comment the other day from someone with a UID < 60 -- didn't even recognize the nick!
[15:58:03] <mechanicjay> How's by you?
[15:57:45] <Bytram> good to hear you been good...
[15:57:02] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:56:56] <mechanicjay> Been good, just lurking about mostly.
[15:56:47] <Bytram> ain't seen ya in ages, how ya be?
[15:56:44] <mechanicjay> Yo
[15:56:35] <Bytram> mechanicjay: howdy!
[15:56:06] <mechanicjay> I might need a new Soylent mug with that quote on it.
[15:55:49] <mechanicjay> agreed!
[15:55:43] <Bytram> THAT is a keeper!
[15:55:34] <Bender> Added quote 841
[15:55:34] <Bytram> !grab TheMightyBuzzard
[15:55:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> breakfast is for people without enough coffee
[15:55:01] <Bytram> oh, food. what a marvelous idea... /me should prolly have some breakfast
[15:54:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> got what i set out to get coded today done already. been fucking off for the last couple hours.
[15:54:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm pondering on a lunch/smoke/nap idea myself.
[15:53:44] <Bytram> :/
[15:53:42] * Bytram can't seem to get out of my own way today. took two naps yesterday, and still struggling to wake up today.
[15:52:19] <Bytram> I bet
[15:52:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're fun to toss in a camp fire though
[15:51:51] <Bytram> needed some sparken to make it light.
[15:51:32] <Bytram> touche'
[15:51:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> fastball at the concrete.
[15:51:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i gave up buying anything but bics a while back. it's frustrating as hell seeing fluid in there and not being able to light a cigarette with it.
[15:50:59] <Bytram> whacha do? drop a cinder block on it?
[15:50:30] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:50:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice pop but no fire.
[15:50:06] <Bytram> dollar store... 3 for a $1
[15:49:51] <Bytram> how'd that go?
[15:49:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't do that with Bics though. they always run out of fuel before flint.
[15:49:42] <Bytram> catch it right, and I'd think the release of butane along with a ricochet off the metal part might make for some interesting effects.
[15:48:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. busted em on the sidewalk though.
[15:48:34] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: hmmm, letting out magic smoke... ever take target practice at a butane lighter (say, one with a bad flint wheel, but still containing some fuel)?
[15:48:12] <cmn32480> this is why I keep the old 6.0 Java console installed on my computer
[15:47:30] * Bytram crosses fingers
[15:47:24] * cmn32480 likes sniffing the magic smoke
[15:47:13] <cmn32480> nah.. all I have to do is log into the physical box and restart it...
[15:46:55] <Bytram> ROFL!
[15:46:48] * TheMightyBuzzard loves letting the magic smoke out
[15:46:33] <Bytram> and see lotsa spitzen sparken, too!
[15:46:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, this is why hardware servers are still king. when they piss you off you can beat them with blunt objects and relieve stress.
[15:45:31] <Bytram> ouch!!!
[15:45:03] <cmn32480> my f**king VCenter server shit the bed
[15:44:55] <cmn32480> goddamnit
[15:27:10] * Bytram just checked and the staff site loaded fine
[15:25:53] <Bytram> lithium, it seems.
[15:25:30] <Bytram> what server is it on?
[15:25:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's probably just not set to start in the default runlevel but i don't care right now.
[15:24:54] <Bytram> that's much better... thanks!
[15:24:46] <Bytram> ta dah!
[15:24:31] <Bytram> well, that would do it.
[15:24:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nginx wasn't started
[15:22:42] <Bytram> well: ping dev.soylenews.org
[15:22:25] <Bytram> ping works
[15:22:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait... hang on...
[15:20:52] <Bytram> I launched a monitor on my browser, and get no response at all from the initial request.
[15:20:19] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[15:20:07] * exec points at Bytram
[15:20:06] <Bytram> ~blame
[15:19:43] <Bytram> wait, it loads fine on port 80? I thought we had something that only allowed https access?
[15:18:48] <cmn32480> somebody broked it
[15:18:47] <Bytram> could one of the migrations be a factor?
[15:18:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, no, it's https that's not loading. works fine on port 80
[15:18:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> loads fine from boron. might be the firewall or something.
[15:17:45] <Bytram> thanks for the confirmation!
[15:17:41] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:17:34] <cmn32480> somebody (likely NCommander or TheMightyBuzzard broked it
[15:17:24] <cmn32480> nope
[15:17:17] <Bytram> cmn32480: are you having any success loading dev?
[15:15:53] <cmn32480> somebody broked it
[15:14:29] <Bytram> I get 'unable to connect'
[15:14:05] <Bytram> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:14:03] <Bytram> hmmm, is dev having problems?
[14:36:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Burger-Flipping Robot Will Grill Meat in 50 Fast Food Restaurants - http://sylnt.us - how-many-hours-@-$15
[12:57:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chelsea Manning, Newly Freed from Military Prison, Speaks in San Francisco - http://sylnt.us - sniff-sniff-I-have-a-very-bad-code
[12:12:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy the exciting world of retail
[12:12:37] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: good luck with your design/coding
[12:12:22] <Bytram> time to get some things done IRL. have a great day everyone!
[12:01:20] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 466
[12:01:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[12:01:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[12:01:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, i was gonna go smoke.
[11:59:49] * MrPlow smakes upstart upside the head with five across the eyes
[11:59:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake upstart
[11:59:48] * boru chuckles.
[11:59:39] <upstart> <TheMightyBuzzard> he generally works one week out of four. with quarterly spikes of an extra day or two. the rest of the time he sits at home or rides around in his new company truck with them paying for the fuel.
[11:59:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'partly why we're doing up this project. he's wicked bored.
[11:59:26] <Bytram> sweet, indeed
[11:58:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> he generally works one week out of four. with quarterly spikes of an extra day or two. the rest of the time he sits at home or rides around in his new company truck with them paying for the fuel.
[11:57:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a disgustingly sweet job.
[11:57:11] <Bytram> thas the way to do it... money for nothin' and your chicks for free
[11:56:55] <cmn32480> must be nice
[11:56:49] * cmn32480 sighs wistful;ly
[11:56:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya. and most days he gets paid to sit on his ass cause he don't do shoddy work.
[11:55:43] <Bytram> that's big enough
[11:55:37] * cmn32480 thinks about trying to sell one in Maine just for fun
[11:55:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> well not east coast. eastern half of the us.
[11:55:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's the entire east coast service division for this company.
[11:54:44] <Bytram> ;)
[11:54:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> the roomie.
[11:54:32] <Bytram> Teddy Roosevelt?
[11:54:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> according to TR, missing a day's worth of data is "No Big Deal", so no sd card storage on the production systems.
[11:52:42] <Bytram> truly
[11:52:39] <Bytram> just trying to poke holes in thgings ahead of your implementation -- easier to fix, now
[11:52:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> handy things, them.
[11:52:17] <Bytram> kewel.
[11:52:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, watchdog timer can reset it if it's ever in a hung state
[11:50:53] <Bytram> )
[11:50:53] <Bytram> oh.
[11:50:48] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: or so you plan... not gonna need a *reset* function (think flakey power spike or somesuch? Send a scream to your server that you are restarting (or do you poll these devices instead of push?) and then do the reset.
[11:49:48] * exec derisively crams an XFS volume of snookies into cmn32480
[11:49:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[11:49:46] * exec mistakenly derives a wad of virtual private nipples from Bytram
[11:49:44] <cmn32480> ~gday Bytram
[11:49:43] * exec insatiably liberates a D cup of EF's extensions from TheMightyBuzzard
[11:49:41] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:49:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> now... data layout... think i'll have a smoke and ponder on it. the eeprom has to be accessed byte by individua byte. i could abstract that away but a universal abstraction would not be worth it since it's only going to be written to twice, ever, and read only on boot up.
[11:46:18] <Bytram> =)
[11:46:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, this needs split out into functions. otherwise ima have to comment stuff just to break up the functional chunks o code.
[11:44:50] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[11:44:47] <Bender> karma - direct_access: 1
[11:44:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> direct_access++
[11:44:12] <Bytram> what are we talking about... *maybe* an extra 100 bytes?
[11:43:35] <Bytram> given what I've seen you post here about the device, there may be a certain deficiency of consistency -- an abstraction allows you to consistify your 'language' of access/manipulation
[11:43:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> embedded, so abstractions are not necessarily a good or desired thing.
[11:42:40] <Bender> karma - abstractions: 1
[11:42:40] <Bytram> abstractions++ ??
[11:41:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... do i wanna read the eeprom in a function or directly in the setup function?
[11:36:52] <Bytram> feel free to tell me
[11:36:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's all kinds of fun, let me tell yas.
[11:35:29] <Bytram> hurty but NOT clogged? dunno that I've ever experienced that.
[11:34:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> left eustachian tube, left inner ear, both sinuses. fun.
[11:33:41] * Bytram just merged the MIT 'senior house' stories... wish me luck
[11:33:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[11:33:05] <Bytram> got nothin for ya then. sorry bout that
[11:32:56] <Bytram> blargh.
[11:32:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh mine ain't clogged, just hurty.
[11:32:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll do up the reading of the config vars from eeprom and then play some vidya unless i feel a bit more inspired.
[11:32:26] <Bytram> also, spring rolls with chinese hot mustard -- will clear whatever has clogged my sinuses
[11:32:06] <Bytram> (extra spicy)
[11:31:47] <Bytram> hot and sour soup ++
[11:31:37] <Bytram> nod nod sneeze sneeze
[11:31:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> same same
[11:31:21] <Bytram> how are your sinuses? doin any bettah?
[11:31:05] <Bytram> then set it free?
[11:30:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg. i don't feel like writing embedded C this morning.
[11:27:07] <chromas> Stockholm syndrome
[11:26:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sweden Doubles Down on Data Retention Surveillance - http://sylnt.us - the-eye-of-sauron
[11:10:55] <Bytram> break time
[11:00:21] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 465
[11:00:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[11:00:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[10:49:10] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6707, owned by Shinobi
[10:49:10] <Bytram> !uid
[10:49:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3650
[10:49:05] <Bytram> coffee++
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[10:47:22] Talos is now known as chanswerve
[10:43:00] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3649
[10:43:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[09:55:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Federal Government, Concerned About Cyberespionage, Bans Use of Kaspersky Labs Products - http://sylnt.us - prudence-or-paranoia?
[08:26:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - If America Lost Its Electricity to an Electromagnetic Shock - http://sylnt.us - living-off-the-grid
[06:56:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chaos as Toshiba Tries to Sell Memory Business - http://sylnt.us - chipped-away
[06:47:13] <Bender> karma - surface_mount: -1
[06:47:13] <chromas> surface_mount--
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[05:17:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Radar Evidence of Ground Ice Found on Vesta - http://sylnt.us - where'd-they-hide-the-blender?
[04:50:12] <exec> welcome chromas: Walla Walla, WA, USA, 17°C/62°F, 9:50 pm GMT-7, Wednesday, 13 September 2017
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[04:00:30] <exec> └─ 13Space Builds Better Bugs?: SoylentNews Submission
[04:00:29] <upstart> ^ 03Space Builds Better Bugs?: SoylentNews Submission
[04:00:28] <takyon> I love that feeling when somebody submits something I was too lazy to submit and I get to close one of my 50 open tabs: https://soylentnews.org
[04:00:02] <takyon> the guy is a troll extraordinaire. not even letting his upcoming spell in prison get in the way of his trolling
[03:59:42] <takyon> yeah and he has the unreleased wu-tang clan album on ebay
[03:59:27] <chromas> Also isn't he that pharma guy everyone hates for the moment?
[03:58:36] <chromas> lol
[03:58:26] <takyon> it's tech related because it's about a Facebook post
[03:58:15] <takyon> I subbed the martin shkreli story chromas
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[03:47:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Watch Series 3 Hands-on: LTE Could Be the Watershed Moment - http://sylnt.us - watch-out!
[03:14:38] <chromas> it's ars so it's tech-related, right?
[03:14:31] <upstart> ^ 03Martin Shkreli is headed to jail | Ars Technica
[03:14:30] <exec> └─ 13Martin Shkreli is headed to jail | Ars Technica
[03:14:28] <chromas> https://arstechnica.com
[02:16:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Waymo v. Uber Continues, Will Not Move to Arbitration - http://sylnt.us - self-driving-litigation
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[02:06:25] <Bytram> laters!
[02:05:09] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6707, owned by Shinobi
[02:05:09] <Bytram> !uid
[02:04:16] * exec literally twerks a gift of coal for #Soylent
[02:04:14] <Bytram> ~gnight #Soylent
[02:04:07] <Bytram> and, with that, I think I'm gonna call it a day and try to hit the sack at a semi-human time tonight!
[02:03:17] <exec> └─ 13Hammer Kirche (Hamburg U-Bahn station) - Wikipedia
[02:03:16] <upstart> ^ 03Hammer Kirche (Hamburg U-Bahn station) - Wikipedia
[02:03:15] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:03:09] <exec> └─ 13Berliner Tor station - Wikipedia
[02:03:08] <upstart> ^ 03Berliner Tor station - Wikipedia
[02:03:08] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:03:01] <exec> └─ 13Mümmelmannsberg (Hamburg U-Bahn station) - Wikipedia
[02:03:00] <upstart> ^ 03Mümmelmannsberg (Hamburg U-Bahn station) - Wikipedia
[02:03:00] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:02:57] <Bytram> that video about moving a running server took them through these stops/stations:
[02:02:00] <exec> └─ 13Hamburg U-Bahn - Wikipedia
[02:01:59] * Bytram resurfaces after falling down the rabbit hole of reading about the Hamburg U-Bahn: https://en.wikipedia.org
[01:45:16] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:44:38] <Virindi> eg website, etc
[01:44:27] <Virindi> there wouldn't be any point in keeping a router going if the services that ran through it went down
[01:41:14] * Bytram goes to check on his dinner
[01:41:05] <Bytram> not *so* bad.
[01:40:55] <Virindi> but it only uses like 100w
[01:40:54] <Bytram> a very powerful router, with no power, is prolly not so useful as a raspi that can run for days on battery. ;)
[01:40:30] <Virindi> oh there is, it also runs a webserver. I switched it to quad awhile back when it was running another cpu-heavy service that it is no longer running
[01:39:54] <Virindi> only x86 linux boxen
[01:39:53] <Bytram> is there nothing more efficient that could handle the load for you ( and thus improve your uptime during a power outage? )
[01:39:43] <Virindi> yeah I don't believe in consumer routers :)
[01:39:25] <Bytram> that is some router you got there!
[01:39:02] <Bytram> and... because of vibration concerns, all non-train traveling required the server to be carried for vibration considerations.
[01:38:49] <Virindi> yeah those UPSes are a lot bigger than the one I have for my router, which contains 6x ub1280 (576wh) and those run my router for like 5 hours (core2quad q6600)
[01:38:26] <Bytram> approximately, from 5 to 9 pm, but they had to do it in the rain, of course!
[01:37:07] <Bytram> IIRC, that was a 4-hour trip, start-to-finish
[01:36:43] <Virindi> sweet :)
[01:34:33] <Bytram> well, it did 'weight' 70 Kg!
[01:33:32] <Virindi> I'm surprised their UPS had enough juice for this
[01:30:09] <Virindi> jerks
[01:30:02] <Virindi> yeah, you wouldn't want some scrappy survivors to come along and loot your stuff after you are gone
[01:29:44] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 464
[01:29:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[01:29:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[01:29:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean, no sense in letting all my ammo go to waste...
[01:28:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> mind you, i'll probably kill a whole lot of zombies first. not because i'm trying to stay alive, just for the fun.
[01:26:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, fine, i just like death-dealing stuff. my actual zombie plan is to get bitten and lounge around eating tasty, tasty brains.
[01:26:13] <Virindi> you are supposed to have enough bullets to kill every zombie that could be created
[01:25:58] <Virindi> jeez comon, what kind of red-blooded american are you
[01:25:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> guns are all well and good but swords don't run out of bullets. this is a concern come zombie apocalypse.
[01:24:13] * TheMightyBuzzard looks over at his sword and begs to differ
[01:23:51] <Bytram> Now THAT is what I call a 'hack' in the truest, old-school sense of the word.
[01:23:26] <Bytram> thought you might appreciate it!
[01:22:56] <Virindi> I've wondered about doing that before
[01:22:51] <Virindi> wait what, they didn't want to turn it off so they soldered on a power cable........awesome
[01:22:20] <exec> titles enabled for 10#Soylent
[01:22:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~title on
[01:22:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~titles on
[01:22:06] <Bytram> "Moving online webserver using public transport"
[01:21:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> well that's an interesting approach
[01:21:56] <Bytram> lol
[01:21:53] <upstart> ^ 03YouTube
[01:21:52] <Bytram> https://www.youtube.com
[01:21:42] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[01:21:42] <Bytram> #yt vQ5MA685ApE
[01:20:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's generally just easier to go buy another since most of the time it's for my car that i need it and i need my car now.
[01:20:25] <Virindi> I was actually considering, melting down the lead, skimming off the sulfation as dross, and recasting plates
[01:20:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> tried it before. it does work.
[01:20:05] <Virindi> some have bulged though
[01:19:59] <Virindi> I have tons of dead agm batteries, I opened a couple and they were definitely not drained off
[01:19:10] <Bytram> get an Tesla P100 and run your house off the car battery
[01:19:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i forget precisely how. it's like drain them and some mixture of water and washing soda. let sit for so long. refill with distilled water and epsom salts. charge.
[01:18:57] <Virindi> too many trees, the house is always in shade
[01:18:45] <Virindi> too bad the solar situation is "noap"
[01:18:30] <Virindi> that would be pretty sweet :)
[01:18:15] <Bytram> powerwall ??
[01:18:09] <Virindi> what do you do to recondition agm, tmb?
[01:17:55] <Virindi> yeah I'm talking about just keeping the servers running actually
[01:17:39] <Bytram> oth, during an outage, would you not reduce your active load? e.g. turn off/down AC, etc.
[01:17:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> they don't really. they're quite easy to recondition.
[01:17:25] <Virindi> after two years they are pretty much junk
[01:17:19] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:17:11] <Virindi> otherwise I would load up on them
[01:17:07] <Virindi> my biggest problem is that AGM lead acid has such a short lifespan
[01:16:16] <Virindi> a bank that could work for 24 hours would be sufficient for 90% of problems
[01:15:53] <Virindi> that is not super common though
[01:15:28] <Virindi> and I don't live on the coast.
[01:15:18] <Virindi> a few years ago two hurricanes came through at the end of the summer and we lost power for 14 days on the first, then 10 days on the second three weeks later
[01:14:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads
[01:14:35] <Virindi> average power outage is about 16 hours (the fastest restorations are 2 hours, the worst outages are 10-14 days)
[01:13:48] <Virindi> a single deep cycle would not be anywhere near sufficient
[01:13:47] * TheMightyBuzzard always wanted to get about two dozen and UPS the whole house
[01:13:36] <Virindi> but the numbers are against batteries here.
[01:13:24] <Virindi> oh I have long considered self-built UPS designs :)
[01:13:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> build your own with a deep cycle marine battery, a car charger, and an inverter.
[01:12:40] * Bytram has at least 3 UPSs
[01:12:25] <Bytram> lol
[01:12:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly a good idea. i get away without them here and we have trees freakin everywhere.
[01:12:23] <Virindi> UPS batteries don't last long enough in either sense (not enough time to restore the outage, and they die off after a year and a half)
[01:12:20] <Bender> karma - ups: 1
[01:12:20] <Bytram> UPS++
[01:12:16] <Bender> karma - upses: 1
[01:12:16] <Bytram> UPSes++
[01:11:56] <Virindi> btw all my computers have UPSes
[01:11:47] <Bytram> anyway, stomach is growling... back soon
[01:11:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> screw least resistance. if i'm gonna be pissed off, so are a lot of other folks.
[01:11:33] <Bytram> that all said, sorry to hear about your problems... going without power IS frustrating, indeed.
[01:10:52] <Virindi> the path of less resistance is to get a generator :(
[01:10:48] <Bytram> lemme rephrase that, your congressperson in Washington DC... if it gets to that point, tell 'em you'll bring it up with the newspaper / TV news / etc.
[01:10:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> may work, may not, but at least everyone who could have done something will be as annoyed as you are.
[01:10:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> spread the misery as widely as possible
[01:09:55] <Virindi> county "representatives" are at large and they frequently skirt public meeting laws
[01:09:46] <Bytram> call your state rep or senator
[01:09:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> go state then
[01:09:29] <Virindi> county government is a cabal
[01:09:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> or maybe a fire pit
[01:08:58] * TheMightyBuzzard is about to plant a tree in his front yard. right under the cable line they ran smack through the middle of it.
[01:08:57] <Bytram> time to make some dinner.. biab
[01:08:46] <Bytram> also try contacting your representative... that's [part of] what they are there for.
[01:08:18] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: what you said. TV stations and newspapers often have a person who acts as a public advocate -- is amazing what they can accomplish under the light of public scrutiny.
[01:07:15] * Bytram is so very grateful that, by no intended decision on his part, has an apartment that is within a few hundred yards of a central switching office for the phone company, a fire station, AND a school. When the power goes out, it does not stay out for more than an hour or two. maybe once a year, at most.
[01:07:10] <Virindi> when you call them, you get a message telling you to call the power company because we are not interested. and no way to leave a message, no number to call to reach the person
[01:06:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> fun. take it public then.
[01:06:38] <Virindi> they have an employee whose job is supposedly to be the advocate for residents...
[01:06:15] <Virindi> I have. They don't give a shit. They are totally in the pocket of the power company and do whatever the power company wants.
[01:05:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> should get in touch with your local regulatory commission. raise some hell.
[01:05:22] <Virindi> all my neighbors have gas-line standby gens
[01:05:19] <Bytram> Virindi: facepalm
[01:05:04] <Virindi> yeah, that's what I said in my post...the power company decided to cease all tree trimming as a policy
[01:04:51] * Bytram scrounges around for a UPS to donate to Virindi
[01:04:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> they keep the limbs trimmed around here though.
[01:04:34] <Virindi> and I have owned my house for maybe 5 or 6 years
[01:04:28] <Bytram> nevermind the regular blizzards we have in this neck of the woods
[01:04:13] * Bytram once watched guys working for at least 8 hours to replace a major water main break, in a *torrential* downpour.
[01:04:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine goes out about once a year and not for more than a couple hours. lots of weather here in TN too.
[01:03:59] <Virindi> yes that number is correct, 100 times
[01:03:28] <Bytram> assuming reasonable weather conditions...
[01:03:27] <Virindi> mine has gone out over 100 times
[01:03:20] <Virindi> his power has gone out once
[01:03:15] <Virindi> his power is underground
[01:03:11] <Virindi> I have a friend in denver who has owned his house about as long as I have owned mine
[01:02:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'true but even entire poles can be put back up rather quickly by a decent crew.
[01:02:28] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: true that, but the there is a bit lower risk that a falling limb or even an entire tree will cause a power outage to a buried powerline. =)
[01:02:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> works in theory. until the conduit floods. and it's gonna take whatever it takes now x10 to fix it.
[01:01:33] <Virindi> and it already takes over a day 50% of the time for them to fix it
[01:01:19] <Virindi> at least it would happen less frequently.
[01:01:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> you think above ground power outages are bad, wait till they have to go digging up a hundred yards of roadside to even find the break.
[00:57:37] <Virindi> maybe we should call the federal reserve :)
[00:57:28] <Virindi> I really want my power lines to be underground, I am just still looking for someone with enough money to pay for it
[00:36:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Should the US Put Power Lines Underground? - http://sylnt.us - better-ask-Betteridge
[00:32:21] <Bytram> break time
[00:29:12] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: not just sinus infections -- so will a bad case of allergies