#Soylent | Logs for 2017-09-13

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[00:17:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Server Migrations Redux - http://sylnt.us - the-joy-of-VPSes
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[01:06:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?
[01:25:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Billions of Devices Potentially Exposed to New Bluetooth Attack - http://sylnt.us - color-us-blue
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[03:06:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bahrain Tops 2017 Expat Survey as Best Country in Which to Live and Work - http://sylnt.us - making-it-(bah)rain
[04:36:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - PETA and Photographer Reach Settlement Over Monkey Selfie Copyright - http://sylnt.us - monkey-business
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[06:16:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - RETGUARD: A Return-Oriented Programming Defense From OpenBSD - http://sylnt.us - going-back
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[07:46:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Gov Passes Motion Allowing it to Pass Laws Without Parliament - http://sylnt.us - returning-sovereignty-to-parliament
[09:16:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Virginia Scraps Poke-to-Vote Machines Hackers Destroyed at DefCon - http://sylnt.us - better-than-a-poke-in-the-eye
[10:28:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:28:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3646
[10:38:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh. slept like shit last night.
[10:40:57] <boru> Aye, ditto.
[10:41:27] <boru> My last few days in this gig are bullshit meeting loaded, as well, which makes the days all that much longer.
[10:42:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> meetings--
[10:42:46] <Bender> karma - meetings: -3
[10:43:23] <boru> Indeed.
[10:43:26] <boru> meetings--
[10:43:26] <Bender> karma - meetings: -4
[10:43:35] <boru> Also
[10:43:36] <boru> management--
[10:43:36] <Bender> karma - management: -1
[10:44:31] <boru> I had better get my coffee in before this next one.
[10:45:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i gotta figure out how to not wear out an eeprom in a couple weeks or lose an entire day's worth of data from power loss when the guy specing the system out only wants data transmitted once a day and doesn't trust sd card storage.
[10:46:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> only once a day cause he's worried about a hundred or two calls to the webserver every hour overloading it.
[10:46:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Question Observations of the First U.S. Human Embryo Editing Study - http://sylnt.us - crisper-eggs
[10:48:18] <Virindi> no pulls allowed I gather? can't be like "I lost power please resend"
[10:48:39] <Virindi> oh nevermind, I misread that.
[10:48:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> Virindi, power loss == data loss unless you've written it somewhere is the deal.
[10:49:25] <Virindi> yeah I read that backwards as the device receiving data from the server on a daily basis
[10:49:26] <Virindi> my bad.
[10:50:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd prefer to write it to the webserver every quarter of an hour because for their purposes missing 15m of data is irrelevant
[10:50:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i could go as high as an hour and still feel comfortable even.
[10:50:37] <boru> If you were using some spi flash or some such, you could use a rolling active partition scheme.
[10:50:37] <Virindi> why does he hate flash, is it because he has noticed that usb sticks are unreliable but doesn't realize that does not apply as much to sd
[10:51:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Virindi, because his sd cards for his camera keep breaking every few years of use.
[10:51:22] <boru> You could keep it in DPD whilst you weren't using it to save current.
[10:51:35] <boru> Have a look at automotive grade spi flash.
[10:52:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> might. that'd require more hardware though and an sd card wouldn't.
[10:52:28] <Virindi> ask him if he thinks that is because 1) he exhausts the write limit, or 2) physical damage from loading and unloading :P
[10:52:34] <Virindi> either way it doesn't apply :D
[10:52:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's from #2
[10:52:45] <boru> The micro doesn't have a spi peripheral? You could probably bitbang it over some GPIOs.
[10:53:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, it has io for spi. i just don't have the hardware to connect to it and would have to add that onto the price. cuts into both room in their control box and room in my profits.
[10:54:28] <Virindi> uh oh, this is one of those cloud prebuilt solution boards isn't it :(
[10:54:35] <boru> FWIW, small spi flash parts are pretty damn cheap, so they won't have that big an impact on your BOM.
[10:54:52] <boru> Ah, right, I forgot you're not designing the PCB.
[10:54:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> really though, he just needs convinced that <=200 web hits per hour is not gonna bring his company server to its knees.
[10:55:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Virindi, industrial grade arduino clone.
[10:55:20] <boru> What if the server goes down? Or their net goes down?
[10:55:30] <Virindi> the cloud never goes down silly.
[10:55:37] <boru> Pft.
[10:55:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a vps. not as likely as a home server going down.
[10:55:50] <Virindi> it's hosted on amazon! the server is invincible
[10:56:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> but in the event of that i'm fully capable of backlogging data until it's alive again.
[10:56:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> the likelihood of both ends going down is pretty small.
[10:56:55] <Virindi> so the data rate is somewhat low enough that you aren't going to run out of memory in a reasonable time
[10:57:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> not on an sd card. on a 1KB eeprom i'd burn it up in a week.
[10:57:53] <Virindi> oh I meant ram, because you "aren't allowed to use sd" :P
[10:58:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, yeah. only gotta store an unsigned 16 bit int for every time period.
[11:00:37] <Virindi> I googled "dual sd card adapter" and found one that is raid0, not raid1. ouch.
[11:01:12] <Virindi> I was hoping there was some magic off the shelf redundancy adapter
[11:03:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm just gonna have to talk him into either sd card data storage or frequent transmission.
[11:04:22] <Virindi> what about assuring him that your firmware will re-read the data after it is written, and if there is a failure it will detect it and immediately notify the server that there is a problem
[11:05:09] <Virindi> I mean, dear manager sir, other parts of the device can fail just as easily too
[11:05:10] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[11:05:12] <Virindi> so we need that anyway
[11:05:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's not a manager. he's the guy who's gotta go drive 6h to fix it if the sd card takes a shit.
[11:06:01] <Virindi> oh :\
[11:06:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yeah, a bit of redundancy would be nice.
[11:07:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway...
[11:07:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[11:07:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[11:07:08] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 463
[11:08:57] <Virindi> there seems to be quite a significant delay between something happening and the corresponding message on the site showing up in the sidebar telling me I have new messages
[11:09:04] <Virindi> like maybe even 20 minutes
[11:10:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> Virindi, it's updated every N minutes by a glorified cron daemon we call slashd
[11:10:25] <Virindi> ahhh
[11:11:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> the guys over at /. did not feel messages important enough information to deliver immediately and we haven't changed that up yet.
[11:11:49] * TheMightyBuzzard really is stepping out for a smoke now
[11:11:50] <Virindi> with the traffic level on the site I wouldn't think it would be too complex a job, is there a reason N is so large? or is it my imagination
[11:12:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> your imagination. N <= 10
[11:12:20] <Virindi> that is still large :P
[11:12:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> not sure what it is or i'd say for sure.
[11:13:45] <Virindi> it only seems strange because people are only posting messages at a low rate on the site
[11:13:57] <Virindi> if it were as active as slashdot it would make sense
[11:14:14] <Virindi> at least, it would make sense given that it was written as a polling daemon
[11:16:09] <Virindi> but whatever, mystery solved :)
[11:22:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah. i expect we can kick N up to something more sane for our site. i just don't know where to do it offhand.
[11:32:34] <cmn32480> #smake exec
[11:32:34] * MrPlow smakes exec upside the head with a tama lama ding dong
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[11:37:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[11:37:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> 404
[11:37:54] <cmn32480> one moment, please
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[11:38:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[11:38:02] <cmn32480> ~gday the
[11:38:03] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:38:13] * exec insatiably writes a fanfic featuring an animated gif of male tears about cmn32480
[11:38:13] * exec figuratively farts a tremendouns number of systemd units at the
[11:38:14] * exec sardonically postulates a snapshot of undefined behavior towards TheMightyBuzzard
[11:38:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> give em a minute. he's slow
[11:38:26] <cmn32480> he died at some point
[11:38:33] <cmn32480> he diued at some point and didn't know it
[11:39:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd blame NCommander for all the work he was doing on the servers last night. i know exec's not on our servers but it sounds good if you say it fast.
[11:39:38] <cmn32480> agreed
[11:50:19] <cmn32480> "Tonight at approximately midnight EDT, we're going to migrate beryllium, which hosts our IRC server,"
[11:50:25] <cmn32480> it WAS NCOmmander's fault!
[11:52:40] <cmn32480> damn kids today... I swear
[11:57:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, never happened.
[11:57:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> leastways i don't think it did.
[11:57:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, znc is hosted on bery as well and i never disconnected from it.
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[12:06:16] <cmn32480> let me live in my bubble ok, buzzard?
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[12:16:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Comodo Caught Breaking New CAA Standard One Day After It Went Into Effect - http://sylnt.us - oh-did-that-start-today?
[12:26:01] <pinchy> why doesnt he trust sd card? just throw flash in there wear level it urself
[12:31:19] <pinchy> heh, buffer didnt play back fast enuf
[12:31:36] <pinchy> muh playback buffers
[12:35:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> pinchy, precooked board. i'm not soldering shit cause i'm not supplying the hardware, just the code.
[12:36:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> so modifications beyond putting an sd card in an existing slot for one is out of the question. adding a din rail mounted UPS may not be though.
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[13:28:31] <FatPhil> coffee++
[13:28:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3647
[13:45:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed
[13:45:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:45:39] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3648
[13:47:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Meet the New Star Wars IX Director: J. J. Abrams - http://sylnt.us - dark-side-or-a-new-hope
[15:03:26] <AndyTheAbsurd> #submit http://www.zmescience.com
[15:03:26] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[15:03:52] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[15:04:34] <pinchy> flippy!
[15:23:24] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: Hi there! How ARE you?
[15:24:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm good! Survived the hurricane with only minor issues - biggest ongoing one is that my cable and internet at home are out.
[15:24:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> http://twitter.com is my twitter feed - I was tweeting through much of the hurricane at the request of my brother-in-law.
[15:24:45] <upstart> ^ 03Andrew Gilbertson (@AMGilbertson) | Twitter ( https://twitter.com )
[15:25:18] <Bytram> YAY you made it through okay... was thinknig about ya the whole time... knew you'd be 'under the gun', so to speak/write
[15:26:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Long Should an iPhone Last? - http://sylnt.us - planned-obsolescence
[15:28:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> It's nice to know that people care about me. :)
[15:30:36] <Bytram> yuppers!
[15:31:36] * Bytram had the good fortune to spend some time in FL many years ago... lots of good memories in there. When I saw where Irma was headed, I recalled your checking the weather on occasion and seeing your location would be in the path.
[15:32:34] * Bytram has had too many years of doing QA... tend to notice an astounding amount of stuff... even when I am not looking for it! =)
[15:38:13] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: I've been studiously avoiding the usual news media so as not to get sucked into breathlessly stated minutia -- in a nutshell, was it better/worse/about-the-same as to what you expected?
[15:39:09] <cmn32480> bytram - he was -literally- under the weather
[15:39:18] * Bytram chuckles
[15:39:27] * Bytram is just feeling that way atm
[15:40:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> I've done my time in the QA pits, too, so I know how that goes. But my brain is so crammed with information at this point that in order to fit anything new in, I have to push something old out.
[15:41:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> As a result, I'm slowly forgetting how to use TACL on an HP NonStop system - which hopefully isn't a skill I'll need again.
[15:44:47] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:45:08] <Bytram> much to my initial surprise, I actually enjoyed QA/test...
[15:45:43] <Bytram> was like exploring Colossal Cave (aka the original Adventure)
[15:46:20] <Bytram> plugh, plover, y2, xyzzy
[15:46:44] <Bytram> like exploring a "multi-dimensional Venn Diagram"
[15:47:06] * Bytram 'sees' permutations
[15:49:35] <Bytram> time for some chow, and a nap.
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[16:16:18] <exec> welcome Runaway1956: Dallas, TX, USA, 27°C/81°F, 11:16 am GMT-5, Wednesday, 13 September 2017
[16:55:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - San Diego Power-Washing Streets to Fight Hepatitis A Outbreak - http://sylnt.us - crappy-job
[16:56:28] <pinchy> hah so much doo doo on the streets gotta wash it off
[17:15:06] <mechanicjay> yeah, wow @ that headline
[17:21:00] <cmn32480> almsost read that as Washington DC...
[17:21:09] <cmn32480> then I realized the doo doo was in the ahlls of congress
[17:31:23] <pinchy> does anyone in here have kids currently school aged?
[17:31:28] <cmn32480> yes
[17:31:42] * cmn32480 is playing the odds wiht that answer
[17:31:44] <pinchy> does there courses require using a computer or internet connectivity?
[17:32:04] <pinchy> do they have to submit homework via the web or email?
[17:32:23] <cmn32480> I have 3, all elementary school, and there is a little of that, but not as much as I hear from other parents with older kids
[17:32:26] <pinchy> do they require using software on a computer to do there studies?
[17:32:32] <cmn32480> homework is all turned in in class for my kids
[17:32:38] <cmn32480> not yet
[17:33:01] <pinchy> ive been hearing a wide range of responses from ppl ive talked to over the years
[17:33:20] <pinchy> some said there kids use there computers a lot to submit homework
[17:33:24] <cmn32480> I think it depends on the teacher, school district and age
[17:33:26] <pinchy> i guess it depends on the school
[17:34:19] <pinchy> theres a public school near me and i requested premission to observe there highest AP math course for one class period
[17:35:02] <pinchy> was denied by the pricipal. saying since i wasnt a parent, or someone taking courses to become a teacher, he was uncomfortable letting me observe
[17:36:06] <pinchy> im gonna try asking some of the other public schools around here
[17:36:12] <pinchy> prolly get the same response
[17:36:40] <cmn32480> why are you trying to observe the calss?
[17:37:01] <pinchy> i wanted to see the overall pace of the course
[17:37:22] <pinchy> since its a public school. just interested in just how 'advanced' it is
[17:37:41] <pinchy> and also how the kids int he class are receptive to it
[17:38:10] <pinchy> i went to private school myself. failed english one year and took summer school. it was like going back 3 or 4 grades
[17:39:12] <pinchy> i imagine i wouldnt be surprised. just a giant yawnfest
[17:42:15] <cmn32480> likely
[17:42:23] <cmn32480> but it largely depends on the teacher
[17:44:14] <pinchy> dudes prolly scared ill blog some shit about it. "these dumb mother fuckers dont know there ass from a hole in the blah"
[17:44:22] <pinchy> then would be on the news
[17:44:42] <pinchy> local citizen writes angry post about the sad state of affairs and lamar high
[17:45:31] <pinchy> then the news crew be out there interviewing mr princ. "why yall suck so bad?"
[17:45:54] <pinchy> and of course hell be thinking "i never should have let that fuker observe a class"
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[18:25:04] <chromas> School year's off to a good start
[18:25:09] <chromas> http://www.seattletimes.com
[18:25:09] <upstart> ^ 03Multiple injuries reported following shooting at Spokane-area school | The Seattle Times
[18:25:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Glass Substrate Could Enable Hard Drives With 12 Platters - http://sylnt.us - defrag-with-windex
[19:08:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> #submit https://www.theregister.co.uk
[19:08:42] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[19:09:07] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[19:18:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> chromas: and Tampa's Robert E. Lee Elementary School burned down! http://www.tampabay.com
[19:18:48] <upstart> ^ 03Flames consume Robert E. Lee Elementary in Tampa Heights (w/video) | Tampa Bay Times
[19:22:48] <cmn32480> standard causes or arson?
[19:24:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> "Penny said the fire did not appear to be suspicious, but the investigation had not yet started."
[20:07:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla's Semiautonomous System Contributed to Fatal Crash - http://sylnt.us - tragic-events
[20:57:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.rt.com
[20:57:43] <upstart> ^ 03Chainsaw-wielding nun helps clear Irma destruction (PHOTOS, VIDEO) — RT America
[21:35:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Beam of Invisibility - http://sylnt.us - light-reading
[23:06:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - One Powerful Cell Makes or Breaks Your Habits - http://sylnt.us - selectivity?
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[23:38:50] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[23:39:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, a sinus infection will straight fuck up your cognitive abilities.
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