#Soylent | Logs for 2017-09-12

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[00:06:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Allergan Pulls a Fast One - http://sylnt.us - clever-lawyers
[00:27:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 68 Known Exoplanets Could Spot a Transit Event in Our Solar System - http://sylnt.us - peek-a-boo
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[01:55:49] <SoyCow8963> #submit https://www.bleepingcomputer.com
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[01:56:33] <SoyCow8963> #submit https://www.schneier.com
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[01:56:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Len Wein, ‘Wolverine’ Co-Creator, 'Watchmen' Editor, Dead at 69 - http://sylnt.us - RIP
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[03:37:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Thanks to the DEA and Drug War, Your Prescription Records Have Zero Expectation of Privacy - http://sylnt.us - another-brick-in-the-wall
[05:06:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Make Alcohol Out of Thin Air - http://sylnt.us - were-they-in-Denver?
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[06:35:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apache Struts Flaw Reportedly Exploited in Equifax Hack - http://sylnt.us - oops
[08:07:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - By the Numbers - http://sylnt.us - your-days-are-numbered...-Drei,-Zwei,-Eins
[09:20:21] <FatPhil> Oh, fuck it, let's eat lunch at the Hilton today for a change.
[09:21:51] <FatPhil> I hate teh idea of supporting the chain, but I do know the food's good, and nowhere else has anything equally tempting today.
[09:46:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Horizons Flyby Plan Finalized; Pluto Features Named - http://sylnt.us - no-mention-of-Mickey-or-Minnie
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[11:15:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - DNA Proves Fearsome Viking Warrior Was a Woman - http://sylnt.us - Valkyries,-Amazons,...Xena?
[11:24:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, they're a chain because they have good food. excellence deserves its due, regardless of management.
[11:29:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:29:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3645
[11:37:09] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders on some bot work
[11:38:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.rt.com
[11:38:59] <upstart> ^ 03Ted Cruz ‘likes’ porn video on Twitter, internet comes down hard — RT America
[11:39:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> The proper response: I'm male. I'm heterosexual. And I'm not dead. Of course I like porn.
[11:47:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really enjoy my cpu/gpu temps right after a good dust removal. gpu sits at ambient + 22C idle. cpu sits at ambient + 1C idle and ambient + 23C under full load.
[11:47:55] <boru> Sounds like you have plenty of room to overclock.
[11:48:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i could, yeah, but i hate to break one of the last amd chips made without the hardware rootkit.
[11:48:46] <boru> My 3930K idles around 30C with frequency scaling, and levels out around 60C after chugging along for about an hour at 5GHz.
[11:49:05] <boru> Aye, I get you.
[11:50:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> if the whole NSA off switch for the IME hadn't leaked, i'd be strongly considering buying 2-3 spares and a couple backup motherboards.
[11:51:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> well not so much leaked really as much as was reverse engineered.
[11:52:56] * boru nods.
[11:53:30] <boru> The new rig I'm building is arm64; dual socket thunderX2.
[11:54:09] <boru> Though I might put together one of those Ryzen threadripper machines together to replace this sandybridge gaming rig.
[11:55:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i was thinking that myself. airgapped of course. now i'm thinking intel.
[11:56:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> thunderx2 looks damned nifty but what's the board's ram look like?
[11:56:42] <boru> Aye, some perfunctory routing to keep the gaming rig away from my onion and garlic boxes etc.
[11:56:54] <boru> What do you mean?
[11:58:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean the processor looks like it could handle a light desktop load if you wanted it to but the real holdup on me building anything ARM aside from toys has been soc boards with crippling amounts of ram.
[12:00:18] <boru> Oh, these are designed for full welly ECC DDR4.
[12:00:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> max capacity?
[12:00:38] <boru> I think the boards I looked at can take 256GB of RAM, or something like that.
[12:00:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[12:00:52] <boru> They're the datacentre ones, though.
[12:01:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:01:08] <boru> One of the 64GB boards would probably do for the load I've got in mind.
[12:01:47] <boru> I'm waiting for some FreeBSD bods to report back to me about the advance mobos they got for porting/load testing.
[12:02:04] <boru> The thunderx is their reference design for the arm64 port, which is nice.
[12:02:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> really, i'd like to replace the media server we have here with something that don't need its own desk. that sounds like it could handle transcoding and streaming but i'm a bit askeert of the price.
[12:03:46] <boru> Well, for transcoding etc, you're probably better off with something that has hardware x264/x265 etc; not sure if these processors do (they might)
[12:03:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> also be nice to have a gentoo cross-compiling build box so i could ditch calculate.
[12:04:09] <boru> Aye, that'll be part of this rig's purpose.
[12:04:34] <boru> I currently have a local cross compiled packagesite in a poudriere jail for the small ARM and MIPS boards I've got.
[12:05:00] <boru> It'll be mainly a crunchy rig, but it'll host a few servers in jails; nntp, smtp, irc etc.
[12:05:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> well the current media server box doesn't have hardware x264/x265 and it clocks about the same frequency, so i think it can probably handle it.
[12:05:20] <boru> I just have to get my move out of the way and get settled before I start acquiring hardware again.
[12:05:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:05:32] <boru> Aye, you might be alright.
[12:05:55] <boru> Anyway, long story short, when it's up and running, I'll adduser you if you want to play around.
[12:08:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm... appreciated but the only thing i'd really be interested in is running one hard to do h264 transcode. high bitrate 1080p h264 down to streaming quality h264 at 480||720p
[12:09:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> that many cores it could probably make short work of it though.
[12:10:14] <boru> Aye, dual socket it'd be 104 cores with tx2.
[12:13:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder how well ffmpeg scales on multi-core arm
[12:13:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[12:13:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[12:13:07] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 461
[12:22:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, what's yer thoughts on getting drafted as a emergency-style sysadmin for sn? job mostly entails hanging out on irc when we're not migrating servers from one distro to another. well no, it mostly entails hanging out on irc even then. audioguy is doing the migrations mostly.
[12:23:09] <boru> If I had the cycles, yeah, I'd be interested. I just can't commit at the moment.
[12:23:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, i think you overestimate how much we work our admins by an order of magnitude but fair nuff.
[12:24:32] <boru> Sysadmin isn't my bread a butter. Anything I've done has been low traffic.
[12:26:16] <boru> Let me get settled in at my new gig, and I'll see what spare cycles I've got.
[12:26:29] <boru> I'm way behind with my FOSS commits, already.
[12:28:25] <pinchy> just use html https://i.imgur.com
[12:32:45] <boru> Good grief.
[12:34:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, we should switch to html instead of perl
[12:34:32] <boru> Pft, html is so 90s. Just use XML.
[12:35:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> XML is also 90s. Modern developers use MongoDB and BSON. It's Mongo so it's automatically webscale!
[12:35:36] <boru> Wtf is bson?
[12:35:52] <boru> I thought everyone was using that javascript crap for everything now
[12:35:56] <boru> node.js? Is that it?
[12:36:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> It's a variant of JSON that supports binary blobs - it's what MongoDB uses for internal representation.
[12:36:19] <boru> I can't keep up with their shitty technologies any more, since I don't read Ruby Blow^W^Whackernews.
[12:36:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, node.js is oldschool now. i dunno what the hip n with it kids are using cause i'm old though.
[12:36:46] <pinchy> web assembly! we have come full circle
[12:36:49] <boru> HTML is still an emerging technology to me.
[12:37:26] * TheMightyBuzzard still writes html 1.0 for the most part
[12:37:50] <pinchy> what was that joke book cover "how to write web pages in assembly"
[12:38:01] <pinchy> now its actually possible
[12:38:05] <pinchy> http://i.imgur.com
[12:38:05] <boru> Emetic.
[12:38:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> when browsers stop rendering it correctly, i learn the new way. not until.
[12:39:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hell, there were two versions of llvm in my updates list this morning. that's gonna take a while.
[12:39:34] <boru> Ouch.
[12:39:48] <boru> LLVM takes forever. Bloody C++.
[12:40:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> troof. i think it's the slowest building package i have installed.
[12:40:20] <FatPhil> There are only two HTMLs - HTML oldest, and HTML latest.
[12:40:29] <boru> Aye, I think it times slower than firefox on my build rig, even.
[12:40:53] <FatPhil> There was very little wrong with HTML oldest, if all you want to do is get information accross, so no need to upgrade.
[12:41:02] * TheMightyBuzzard likes oldest
[12:41:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's less bitchy. fewer rules to remember.
[12:41:43] <boru> I can build a cross toolchain (binutils, GCC, newlib, gdb, openocd, qemu) in about 15 minutes.
[12:42:22] <boru> Actually, probably more like 10.
[12:42:27] <boru> Somewhere in that ballpark.
[12:42:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya. smoke-break length.
[12:43:58] <boru> For you, aye. I'll usually grab a 2 hour cigar when I rebuild kernel+world on FreeBSD to recompile all my ports.
[12:44:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like llvm 5 only took a half hour or so. on six cores. pegged at 3.6GHz.
[12:44:31] <boru> Sounds like it's down from llvm4.
[12:44:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll let ya know. that's next.
[12:44:50] <pinchy> building gcc from source is faster than llvm?
[12:44:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh hells yes.
[12:45:16] <pinchy> wow, i thought llvm was supposed to get rid of all the cruft that gcc had built up
[12:45:49] <boru> Well, to be fair, GCC only ported to C++ in 4.8. LLVM was C++ from the start.
[12:46:14] <boru> Plus I typically only build a C compiler. Not interested in C++, Ada, fortran, java etc.
[12:46:51] <boru> I think the bit where GCC saves time is that it doesn't build a code generator for every arch it supports, just the one you request.
[12:46:56] <pinchy> so is that the case with llvm? builds compilers for all the languages?
[12:46:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - HP Turns to White Hat Hacker "Superstars" - http://sylnt.us - security-suggestions-are-cheaper-than-implementations-will-they-pay?
[12:46:59] <boru> LLVM on the otherhand does everything by default.
[12:47:24] <boru> Moreso all of the ISA code generators. It's tuneable, but my understanding is that it does them all by default.
[12:47:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> except my dishes
[12:47:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> piece of shit
[12:47:52] * boru chuckles.
[12:48:00] * TheMightyBuzzard needs a maid
[12:48:02] <pinchy> then why dont they add some switches to only make what u want? seems like that would have been built in from the start?
[12:48:19] <boru> There are switches; it's some cmake crap.
[12:48:28] <boru> (I think)
[12:48:42] <pinchy> ok so it could build faster, u just have to dig into cmake
[12:48:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck cmake. autoconf+make ftw.
[12:49:05] <boru> I'm not entirely sure, I haven't built LLVM by hand (that is, outside my ports tree) in a long time.
[12:49:34] <boru> One thing that I do like about LLVM, is how nicely it works with keystone.
[12:49:53] <boru> You can write a pretty solid disassembly/reversing engine with them.
[12:50:21] <boru> Don't quote me about LLVM, it may have changed drastically in the time since I played with it last.
[12:51:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't either like or dislike it as a compiler. i fucking hate it as a gentoo package though.
[12:52:12] <boru> The code generator and diagnostics are pretty good.
[12:52:52] <boru> Their backend stinks, though. They get all high and might until you mention them using binutils like GCC.
[12:53:09] <boru> THe static analysis tool is probably the best of the free offerings.
[12:55:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> no idea. if i write c it's probably going to be embedded c and built by gcc.
[12:55:56] <pinchy> the last big project i compiled was that Qt framework, did it in a VM so it took quite a while. usually just let it run overnoght
[12:55:58] <boru> Aye, GCC is still king for embedded work, regardless of what LLVM fanbois might tell you.
[12:56:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need to learn a new compiler like i need to punch myself in the nuts
[12:57:59] <boru> It is inevitable; my Forth compiler is due for world domination.
[12:59:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i get to cheat on this upcoming project. ardunio compatible kit (industrial strength components though), so i don't gotta even set up a build environment since the ardunio folks distribute one themselves.
[13:00:00] <boru> Pft, where's the fun in that!
[13:00:33] <boru> If you aren't wirewrapping the switches and transistors for your compiler's circuitry yourself, you're not at the races at all.
[13:01:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> gonna have to get used to using an ide again though. vim/gvim have been my ide for over 20 years.
[13:01:31] <boru> I don't see why you couldn't use vim.
[13:02:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i could but it'd take figuring out their build system to do so.
[13:02:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll just write in gvim and copy pasta to their ide.
[13:03:13] <boru> Sounds unnecessary.
[13:03:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably. i do a lot of unnecessary things because they're quicker/easier.
[13:04:10] <boru> Looks like some people have some vin plugins which leverage their env crap on shithub.
[13:04:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> hyeurg
[13:04:51] <boru> I'm curious as to why they don't just leverage make for it, and just use vim normally.
[13:05:00] <boru> Perhaps I'll take a look later.
[13:05:03] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[13:05:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> only non-bog-standard things i do in vim are syntax files
[13:05:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> .vimrc of course being considered bog-standard
[13:06:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[13:06:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[13:06:23] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 462
[13:06:58] <boru> I use a few plugins like: cscope, clang_complete, spacehi and perldoc.
[13:07:12] <boru> The first two are useful for large codebases.
[13:14:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> how large == large?
[13:14:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> half an hour now on llvm 4.0.1
[13:14:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, no, it finished while i was smoking just now
[13:15:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> so call it 25m
[13:16:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather
[13:16:34] <MrPlow> Today: Showers this morning becoming a steady rain during the afternoon hours. High around 65F. Winds NNE at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 90%. Tomorrow: Light rain early...then remaining cloudy with showers in the afternoon. High 68F. Winds SW at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70%.
[13:17:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> damnit. have to wait till tomorrow to go fishing. 10-20mph == my lil boat is likely to get swamped.
[13:19:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> just as well. i missed a package while i was having a nap yesterday n gotta go pick it up at the post office this morning. could be my dev hardware.
[13:21:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably not though. i didn't order it till friday and it's gotta come all the way from belgium.
[13:55:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit http://www.securityweek.com With all the smartphones out there whose manufacturers and carriers refuse to update them after a year or so, I can see this being a big, big problem.
[13:55:30] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[13:55:55] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[14:05:18] <boru> Got pulled into a frivilous meeting.
[14:05:32] <boru> Large as in anything larger than 100 lines.
[14:06:19] <boru> If you right C, then I highly recommend cscope and clang_complete.
[14:06:28] <boru> And spacehi for any language.
[14:07:01] <boru> I've got some vimrc bits for stuff like :make and :copen etc.
[14:07:44] <pinchy> is clang complete/cscope better than old crappy ctags?
[14:08:22] <boru> cscope predates ctags, and yes, vastly superior in every way imaginable.
[14:09:04] <boru> cscope is a standalone program, fwiw.
[14:09:13] <boru> There are just vim plugins which leverage it.
[14:09:52] <pinchy> i remember my foray into vim and someone suggested ctags and remember how awful it was.
[14:10:09] <pinchy> from what i gathered its just a dumb parser and doesnt actually understand the language
[14:11:18] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[14:11:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have chapped a few asses over on the viking chick story
[14:15:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> well shit. i'm out of coffee. and excuses. gonna go pick up that package at the post office. back later.
[14:26:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Offshore Wind Power Cheaper Than New Nuclear - http://sylnt.us - and-less-radioactive
[14:46:22] <cmn32480> #smake customers
[14:46:22] * MrPlow smakes customers upside the head with an ugly stick
[14:46:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet. got my stuffs in.
[14:49:20] * TheMightyBuzzard starts his several days worth of reading
[15:56:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intra-Library Collusion Attacks Open the Door for a Whole New Kind of Android Malware - http://sylnt.us - you-wash-my-back...
[16:45:06] <chromas> http://i.imgur.com
[16:53:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg. i think i need a smoke and a nap. separately.
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[16:54:37] <SoyCow1937> #submit https://www.bleepingcomputer.com
[16:54:42] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[16:55:07] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
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[17:00:30] <pinchy> haha givin ol diane hell https://youtu.be
[17:00:31] <upstart> ^ 03YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[17:27:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Voynich Manuscript Solution Claimed, Rebutted - http://sylnt.us - back-to-the-drawing-board
[17:37:44] <chromas> #smake that vidya uploader
[17:37:44] * MrPlow smakes that vidya uploader upside the head with 🖕
[17:39:03] * chromas notes that he has two speakers
[18:56:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Kelp in Craft Beer - http://sylnt.us - as-long-as-it's-not-IPA
[19:08:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> ...if it has anything other than water, barley, hops, and yeast in it, it isn't beer. At least according to the old German beer purity law. Anyone know if that's still enforced?
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[20:35:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Accused of Trying to Patent Public Domain Technology - http://sylnt.us - patently-wrong
[20:41:18] <pinchy> heres a good read https://archive.org
[20:41:19] <upstart> ^ 03Full text of "Education for all children, what we can learn from England by Vice Admiral H. G. Rickover, USN. Hearings before the Committee on Appropriations, House of Representatives, Eighty-seventh Congress, second session, [Wednesday, May 16, 1962] .."
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[23:36:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Remotely Extended the Range of Vehicles So Drivers Could Escape Hurricane Irma - http://sylnt.us - interesting-implications