#Soylent | Logs for 2017-09-09
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[00:08:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm feelin kinda cheech and chong ish
[00:16:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Irma: The Strongest Atlantic Hurricane On Record - http://sylnt.us - stock-up-on-oj-now
[00:23:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's what you get for living on america's wang
[00:28:11] * Bytram wonce worked at wang ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[00:28:13] <exec> └─ 13Wang Laboratories - Wikipedia
[00:28:45] * TheMightyBuzzard wangs some chung
[00:29:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt wang chung tonight
[00:29:00] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[00:29:21] <Bytram> http://www.youtube.com
[00:29:22] <upstart> ^ 03YouTube ( https://www.youtube.com )
[00:29:23] <exec> └─ 13Wang Chung - Everybody Have Fun Tonight - YouTube
[00:29:23] <Bytram> lol
[00:29:25] <exec> └─ 13Wang Chung - Everybody Have Fun Tonight - YouTube
[00:29:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey, chromas fixed upstart!
[00:29:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~titles off
[00:30:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~title off
[00:30:04] <exec> titles disabled for 10#Soylent
[00:32:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday exec
[00:32:10] * exec cantankerously launches a BTRFS subvolume of false hope toward exec
[01:33:25] <crutchy> ~ignore upstart
[01:33:26] <exec> exec set to ignore upstart
[01:34:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist crutchy
[01:34:19] <MrPlow> crutchy, you're a socialist!
[01:34:30] <crutchy> ~socialist TheMightyBuzzard o/
[01:34:31] <exec> TheMightyBuzzard o/, YOU'RE a SOCIALIST!
[01:34:51] <crutchy> hows the foosh?
[01:35:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> they bout to get washed away by irma
[01:35:09] * crutchy is over winter
[01:35:15] <crutchy> oh o.O
[01:35:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> well tuesday morning anyway
[01:35:27] <crutchy> you in the way of that thing eh?
[01:35:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be good till then
[01:35:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> well kinda. it's gonna come up this way after it crosses a lot of land.
[01:36:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> no wind to speak of, just rain.
[01:36:14] <crutchy> hmm. it might make fooshing a whole lot easier too. by dropping them all on your house
[01:36:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, just set up a seine net out in the front yard
[01:37:12] <crutchy> thankfully i'm nowhere near cyclone areas here
[01:37:36] <crutchy> err. i guess you guys call em hurricanes
[01:37:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> whichever. i ain't particular.
[01:38:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> bigass storm works too
[01:38:10] <crutchy> yussum
[01:38:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally, i enjoy em. anything category 2 or less i sit out under the carport, drink, and watch if i'm on the coast.
[01:39:24] <crutchy> i might be ok if i didn't have a family to worry about :/
[01:39:40] <crutchy> kids+storm=worry
[01:39:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> cat 2 isn't really a bad storm by oklahoma standards. it's not uncommon to get 100mph winds plus tornadoes out there from a regular storm.
[01:40:05] <crutchy> ah
[01:40:20] <crutchy> oh you not talking about that supposed cat 6 or whatever thats all over the news?
[01:40:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, just the weaker half of the scale.
[01:40:49] <crutchy> or err. cat-6-if-there-was-a-cat-6
[01:40:55] <crutchy> mkay
[01:41:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, irma's already down to a cat 4. i slept through those before.
[01:41:30] <crutchy> a friend of ours is in kentucky atm
[01:41:36] <crutchy> sorting out some family shit
[01:41:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> no worries then. hafta cross me to get to him. barely be a summer shower by that time.
[01:42:07] <crutchy> m thats good
[01:42:18] <crutchy> s/m/k/
[01:42:18] <upstart> <crutchy> k thats good
[01:42:20] <exec> <crutchy> k thats good
[01:42:27] <crutchy> -.-
[01:42:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake exec
[01:42:31] * MrPlow smakes exec upside the head with a whore's shoe
[01:42:36] <crutchy> ~sed off
[01:42:38] <exec> sed disabled for 10#Soylent
[01:42:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, thas a good one
[01:43:22] * TheMightyBuzzard has been avoiding coding lately
[01:43:26] <crutchy> the old phone-in-a-whore's-shoe trick eh
[01:43:39] <crutchy> yeah me too
[01:43:46] <crutchy> though i keep thinking about it
[01:43:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> got a goodly bit of embedded C coding coming up for cash moneys. don't wanna burn out.
[01:44:08] <crutchy> lots of ideas and stuff i wanna do, but no motivation to sit down and do it
[01:44:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[01:44:18] <crutchy> ooh noice
[01:44:36] <crutchy> what architecture?
[01:45:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> not entirely sure. some microcontroller or other. arduino compatible whatever it is.
[01:45:18] <crutchy> haven't done any embedded for a long time
[01:45:27] <crutchy> only really played a bit with avr
[01:45:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> this lil critter: https://industruino.com
[01:45:36] <upstart> ^ 03home | Industruino
[01:45:40] <crutchy> mkay yeah arduino is popular
[01:46:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> is basically an industrially useful arduino.
[01:46:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> without having to solder up any additional shields
[01:46:55] <crutchy> yeah i don't do soldering either
[01:47:10] <crutchy> idc ftw
[01:47:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can i just don't want people paying me for it cause i'd feel bad about them having to fix bits in a couple months.
[01:48:09] <crutchy> lol
[01:48:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> my skillz ain't industrial grade. they're breadboard hobbyist grade.
[01:48:52] <crutchy> they're intended to maintain job security :)
[01:50:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. they're intended to keep me from having to use them.
[01:50:17] <crutchy> apparently my boss is quoting a big job involving lots of data acquisition. reminds me of the stuff i did years ago for my previous employer. unfortunately we don't have access to the same workshops so we're outsourcing it which sucks
[01:50:33] <crutchy> would love to work on another daq setup
[01:50:45] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[01:51:20] <crutchy> programming that stuff is really fun
[01:51:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> most stuff, yeah
[01:51:58] <crutchy> i guess what you're doin sounds similar
[01:52:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dig the figuring it out as much as the completion
[01:52:23] <crutchy> yeah
[01:53:03] <crutchy> i think i need some brekky
[01:53:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ah shit man. all i'm doing is reading 24DCV pulses on one line, counting them up, and sending a daily total to a webserver.
[01:53:07] <crutchy> even though its midday
[01:53:15] <crutchy> oh
[01:53:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yarp. laters. i be asleep shortly.
[01:53:40] <crutchy> still sounds like a fun little project
[01:53:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. no worries about exploits either cause no user input.
[01:54:32] <crutchy> programming is so much better when you can talk to stuff outside a pyewta, other than the luser
[01:54:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. machines make sense. way different than people.
[02:03:11] <Bytram> well, this 'people' is gonna call it a night... have an earlyish day at work tomorrow. :/
[02:03:24] * Bytram waves to crutchy
[02:15:35] <crutchy> ~g'night Bytram sir
[02:15:36] * exec figuratively impales some stock footage of aptitude on Bytram
[02:16:13] <Bytram> ~gnight crutchy
[02:16:15] * exec democratically sodomizes a spoon of dehydrated beer with crutchy
[02:16:19] <Bytram> ~weather crutchy
[02:16:21] <exec> 10Melbourne VIC - currently 58°F / 14°C, mostly cloudy, wind SW at 10 mph, humidity 62% - Saturday mostly cloudy (41°F:57°F / 5°C:14°C), Sunday mostly sunny (48°F:61°F / 9°C:16°C), Monday scattered showers (52°F:68°F / 11°C:20°C), Tuesday showers (48°F:62°F / 9°C:17°C)
[02:16:43] <Bytram> might bit chilly there. Hope thing improve before too long!
[02:17:05] * crutchy is looking forward to summer
[02:17:35] * Bytram is wistfully looking back at summer and averting his gaze from the approaching autumn and winter
[02:18:50] <Bytram> and, with that, I did you adieu
[03:08:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - India Boards the Hyperloop Bandwagon - http://sylnt.us
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[04:56:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Treatment for Insomnia Can Reduce Paranoia and Hallucinations - http://sylnt.us - better-sleep-on-it
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[06:46:36] <FatPhil> ~weather
[06:46:38] <exec> 10Tallinn, Harju County, Estonia - currently 54°F / 12°C, rain, wind SE at 12 mph, humidity 100% - Saturday rain (55°F:60°F / 13°C:16°C), Sunday rain (54°F:70°F / 12°C:21°C), Monday partly cloudy (54°F:66°F / 12°C:19°C), Tuesday scattered showers (55°F:66°F / 13°C:19°C)
[07:16:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nobel Peace Prize Smackdown: Malala Yousafzai vs. Aung San Suu Kyi - http://sylnt.us - why-can't-we-just-get-along?
[08:03:53] <FatPhil> Does anyone understand the css box model?
[08:17:46] <Bytram> FatPhil: kinda sorta maybe... whacha trying to do?
[08:19:41] <Bytram> ~weather miami
[08:19:42] <exec> 10Miami, FL, USA - currently 84°F / 29°C, mostly cloudy, wind NE at 20 mph, humidity 83% - Saturday thunderstorm (83°F:86°F / 28°C:30°C), Sunday heavy rain (80°F:86°F / 27°C:30°C), Monday cloudy (78°F:91°F / 26°C:33°C), Tuesday mostly sunny (76°F:90°F / 24°C:32°C)
[08:19:48] <Bytram> ~weather tampa
[08:19:49] <exec> 10Tampa, FL, USA - currently 79°F / 26°C, cloudy, wind NE at 11 mph, humidity 97% - Saturday scattered thunderstorms (79°F:91°F / 26°C:33°C), Sunday rain (76°F:81°F / 24°C:27°C), Monday rain (77°F:81°F / 25°C:27°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (76°F:88°F / 24°C:31°C)
[08:20:06] <FatPhil> I'm curious why margins sometimes will hang outside the containing element's box, and sometimes don't.
[08:20:20] <FatPhil> e.g. on http://fatphil.org
[08:20:22] <upstart> ^ 03FatPhil plays Peldikmon Go
[08:20:35] <Bytram> heh... thought as much...
[08:20:43] <Bytram> ISTR it *may* be browser-related.
[08:20:58] <Bytram> div != td
[08:21:34] <FatPhil> The H3 Tallinn's top margin hangs outside the article
[08:21:41] <Bytram> nod nod...
[08:21:56] <Bytram> in the middle of something... give me a couple minutes.. okay?
[08:22:43] <FatPhil> but the article Tallinn's left margin stays within the section reviews.
[08:23:09] <FatPhil> sure, no rush - I need to add tons of content to that page before I should even care about appearance.
[08:24:07] <FatPhil> I abhor modern div-soup as much as I abhor the old tag-soup. I'm trying to be semantically correct. Unlike 99.995% of the web.
[08:25:14] <Bytram> menu? what menu?
[08:25:21] <Bytram> oh... javascript?
[08:25:36] <FatPhil> when the new wave of web designers came in and stripped out tag soup and replaced it with div/class soup, I thought the whole web world was actually taking a step backwards
[08:26:01] <Bytram> I enabled your website, but still no menu
[08:26:11] <FatPhil> html5's nav looks as if it might be doing something right. Not investigated it properly yet.
[08:26:35] <Bytram> oh, wait... I see where you mean.
[08:27:06] <Bytram> <h3>Tallinn</h3>
[08:27:07] <Bytram> right?
[08:27:19] <FatPhil> Yeah, the biggest pet peave I have is when people use JS to render content that could have just been content. 2nd is when they use javascript to activate links that would have worked as links had they not disabled them first.
[08:27:23] <FatPhil> that's the guy
[08:30:04] <FatPhil> its top margin extends above the article class=city id=tallinn
[08:31:02] <Bytram> out of curiosity, what browser are you using?
[08:31:08] <FatPhil> but <article class="city" id="tallinn">'s left margin is within its parent's box.
[08:31:26] <FatPhil> Mostly Pale Moon
[08:31:31] <Bytram> nod nod
[08:31:39] <FatPhil> I have a moderner FF as a double-check.
[08:31:57] <Bytram> do you have firebug installed?
[08:32:24] <FatPhil> not on this machine, no
[08:33:07] <Bytram> k
[08:33:26] <Bytram> got a couple ideas... give me a couple minutes
[08:33:31] <Bytram> btw...
[08:33:37] <Bytram> ~time tallinn, estonia
[08:33:39] <exec> Saturday, 9 September 2017 @ 11:33 am GMT+3 - Tallinn, Harju County, Estonia
[08:33:43] <Bytram> heh
[08:33:45] <FatPhil> I have the "Developer Tools"
[08:33:47] <Bytram> ~time EDT
[08:33:49] <exec> Saturday, 9 September 2017 @ 4:33 am ET - Eastern Time
[08:33:58] <Bytram> ^^^ that's me
[08:34:08] <FatPhil> dude, get some sleep!
[08:36:26] <Bytram> FatPhil: offhand, i do not see the problem... say you had an <h2> and then, immediately following, an <h3>... you'd want the intervening space to me max(h2.bottom_margin, h3.top_margin), right?
[08:37:10] <Bytram> if you want to change the amount of whitespace *within* the box, I'd suggest you try using padding, instead.
[08:37:47] <Bytram> in the example, given, the whitespace (assuming all other values are 0) would be: sum(h2.padding_bottom, h3.padding_top)
[08:39:52] <Bytram> btw, how do you pronounce the name of the town/city? not short, but 'tall' + "inn" (place to spend the night) or is it pronounced more like "tahl" which a short a sound?
[08:40:08] <Bytram> ^^ FatPhil
[08:41:13] <chromas> "When Margins Collapse"
[08:41:18] <chromas> https://www.w3.org
[08:41:49] <FatPhil> closer to "tahl", but don't voice an h in that.
[08:41:57] <FatPhil> like the "a" in "fart"
[08:42:09] <chromas> like tall?
[08:42:24] <FatPhil> Most foreigners use the "a" in "cat", and that's understood.
[08:42:31] <Bytram> tall vs Neandertahl
[08:43:00] <FatPhil> chromas: to an RP english speaker, tall is totally different
[08:43:21] <Bytram> more like a short O sound?
[08:43:54] <Bytram> or like a short a as in cat nap
[08:43:56] <chromas> Aw. I can't 'picture' any other pronunciation at the moment, besides the New York style "twall"
[08:44:03] <Bytram> lol
[08:44:14] <Bytram> wawnt a cawfee?
[08:44:53] <FatPhil> it's the same vowel at the centre, but NY has a horrible glide surrounding it
[08:45:14] <Bytram> that would be the hudson rivver, no doubt
[08:45:19] <Bytram> s/vv/v/
[08:45:19] <upstart> <Bytram> that would be the hudson river, no doubt
[08:45:19] <FatPhil> UK tall and NY cawfee, that is
[08:46:21] <chromas> cawfee++
[08:46:21] <Bender> karma - cawfee: 1
[08:46:23] <Bytram> tall haul hall call sound the same to me
[08:46:36] <FatPhil> +1
[08:46:38] <Bytram> that's for the birds! (crows, that is) =)
[08:46:39] <chromas> What's the accent where it would be "cwoffee"?
[08:46:48] <Bytram> on the 'c'
[08:47:17] <Bytram> you aiming for Brooklyn or Bronx?
[08:47:25] <Bytram> * pronunciation
[08:47:31] <FatPhil> I'd throw a cyrillic soft vowel marker in there to mark that
[08:48:45] <Bytram> anyway...it's been fun, but it's still too early here and I need to be at work in about 4 hours... should try and finish up getting some sleep.
[08:48:46] <chromas> lol http://www.wikihow.com
[08:48:47] <upstart> ^ 03How to Talk Like a Stereotypical New Yorker: 10 Steps
[08:49:15] <chromas> g'noight Bytram
[08:49:23] <Bytram> getting back to the original question you posed, from the sounds of things, I would recommend investigation 'padding' instead of 'margin'
[08:49:32] <chromas> and margin collapsing
[08:49:48] <Bytram> margins collapse, paddings accumulate!
[08:49:59] <Bytram> amirite?
[08:50:19] <chromas> yep
[08:50:25] <FatPhil> chromas: I think your CSS link nails it - "Margins of the root element's box do not collapse. " probably covers it
[08:50:53] <chromas> woohoo
[08:51:30] <FatPhil> Bytram: I can add some rule to add extra padding to the first H3 in a city article, yup
[08:51:39] <Bytram> bingo
[08:52:31] <FatPhil> perfecto!
[08:52:34] <FatPhil> thanks both!
[08:52:48] <Bytram> hat tip
[08:52:57] <Bytram> have a great day!
[08:53:11] <Bytram> chromas: good to 'see' ya again, too.
[08:53:14] <Bytram> laters!
[09:10:32] <FatPhil> how much dodgy milk can you put in a big cup of coffee before you should just throw the coffee away and start again?
[09:10:41] <FatPhil> n.d. coffee with dodgy milk
[09:11:52] <chromas> it's fine
[09:12:07] <chromas> unless the milk's lumpy. then chew it
[09:14:46] <FatPhil> lumps float to the top often, so you can skim it, then drink it! >-P
[09:15:42] <FatPhil> and the ones that sink to the bottom, have removed themselvs from the equation - just don't stir
[09:37:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Many 18-34 Year Old People Live in the US? - http://sylnt.us - all-the-ones-that-are-not-dead-yet?
[11:04:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:04:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3639
[11:05:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> feelin kinda blerg today. not really a hangover, just going to take me an extra hour or two of coffee to feel human this morning.
[11:07:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit http://markets.businessinsider.com
[11:07:50] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[11:08:16] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[11:09:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima skip over to winders and skyrim it up
[11:55:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Admits Russian Ad Campaign on Divisive Social and Political Issues - http://sylnt.us - better-buy-some-better-bots
[12:44:45] <chromas> from the awkward-english dept
[12:44:55] * chromas suspects the article itself is Russian haxx
[14:17:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Is European Patent Office Filing a Rigged Game in Europe? - http://sylnt.us - register-early-and-often
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[16:41:09] <mrpg> - I want you to back up. go ahead.
[16:41:11] <mrpg> https://www.youtube.com
[16:41:12] <upstart> ^ 03YouTube
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[18:55:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Are You an Equifax Breach Victim? You Could Give up Right to sue to Find Out - http://sylnt.us - ignorance-is-bliss?
[18:58:22] <Virindi> bam, insta spam mod on you mr. dick n****rs
[19:17:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Are You an Equifax Breach Victim? You Could Give Up Right to Sue to Find Out - http://sylnt.us - ignorance-is-bliss?
[20:21:04] <Sulla> Virindi: I really dont understand the point of the posts. On /pol/ it is because people enjoy being offensive, but who decided to go to soylent just to do this?
[20:23:53] <Virindi> teenagers just want attention?
[20:25:44] <Virindi> I guess soylent is safer from that than other sites due to being all disgruntled oldbeards protesting slashdot beta
[20:27:03] <Sulla> It is just odd. Even the people on /pol/ normally stay on the threads topics, this is just random undirected flaming
[21:16:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - BMW Readying Tesla-Rivaling Electric i Concept Car - http://sylnt.us - plugging-electric-vehicles
[21:17:12] <xhedit> oh god, virindi invaded this channell
[21:22:12] <Virindi> I invade all channels, it's what I do
[21:22:57] <xhedit> ~weather hell
[21:22:59] <exec> 10Washington, DC, USA - currently 71°F / 22°C, partly cloudy, wind N at 10 mph, humidity 43% - Saturday clear (53°F:71°F / 12°C:22°C), Sunday sunny (55°F:74°F / 13°C:23°C), Monday partly cloudy (60°F:76°F / 16°C:24°C), Tuesday scattered showers (64°F:70°F / 18°C:21°C)
[21:23:16] <Virindi> nice and comfy, slightly humid
[21:23:34] <boru> ~weather gob an choire
[21:23:37] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[21:23:39] <boru> Pft.
[21:23:44] <boru> ~weather achill sound
[21:23:46] <exec> 10Achill Sound, County Mayo, Ireland - currently 55°F / 13°C, cloudy, wind W at 11 mph, humidity 85% - Saturday rain (53°F:60°F / 12°C:16°C), Sunday rain (53°F:57°F / 12°C:14°C), Monday rain (51°F:58°F / 11°C:14°C), Tuesday rain (49°F:56°F / 9°C:13°C)
[21:25:13] <Sulla> ~weather eugene oregon
[21:25:15] <exec> 10Eugene, OR, USA - currently 77°F / 25°C, partly cloudy, wind SW at 5 mph, humidity 47% - Saturday partly cloudy (56°F:78°F / 13°C:26°C), Sunday partly cloudy (51°F:80°F / 11°C:27°C), Monday sunny (56°F:88°F / 13°C:31°C), Tuesday sunny (53°F:85°F / 12°C:29°C)
[21:25:37] <boru> Weather top trumps: Ireland will always have you beat on RH.
[21:25:54] <xhedit> i thought it was warmer during the summer in eiru
[21:26:00] <Sulla> That humidity sounds awful
[21:26:28] <xhedit> it's been real nice here in hell, it's usually like 95 degrees and 99% humidity
[21:26:37] <xhedit> at this time of the year
[21:26:42] <Sulla> Ugh
[21:26:46] <boru> 95 degrees? Aren't you all dead?
[21:26:56] <boru> The oceans have started to boil away?
[21:27:01] <Sulla> F
[21:27:08] <boru> I know, you silly billy.
[21:27:27] <Sulla> No intention of spending any time east of the rockies unless im on Amtrak
[21:27:46] <Virindi> wouldn't it be neat if people could use context clues to determine units
[21:28:16] <boru> Wouldn't it be neat if people could detect jovial intent by context.
[21:28:22] <Sulla> Eh, with two options its not difficult to guess which is being used
[21:28:24] <Virindi> nah impossible
[21:29:00] <Virindi> all irc messages should be tagged with a joviality index
[21:29:08] <Virindi> that'll solve it.
[21:29:12] <xhedit> No. <82%>
[21:29:19] * boru chuckles.
[21:29:48] <Sulla> Sharks with lasers. <0%>
[21:30:05] <Sulla> Serious business
[21:31:37] <xhedit> sharklasers is a real email address option, btw
[21:32:25] <boru> No mention of it in RFC2821.
[21:33:04] <xhedit> https://www.sharklasers.com
[21:33:05] <upstart> ^ 03✉ SharkLasers.com
[21:34:21] <boru> Pft, I don't see why people don't just use RFC5233 for that stuff.
[21:34:36] <boru> i.e. boru+shite@domain.com
[21:34:44] <xhedit> because 1459 is superior
[21:35:20] <xhedit> not everyone accepts + in their forms
[21:35:39] <xhedit> and sometimes i don't want any email in my usual inbox from a place
[21:35:42] <boru> 3977 is, by far, superior to 1459.
[21:36:13] <xhedit> I like usenet, but irc was always more fun.
[21:36:23] <boru> Usenet is just a network.
[21:36:37] <boru> There are far superior newsgroups.
[21:36:49] * boru chortles from his ivory tower.
[21:37:28] * xhedit waves his hands like NDT in watch out we got a badass over here meme.
[21:38:13] <boru> NDT is a bellend.
[21:38:29] <xhedit> at least he's no michio kaku
[21:38:40] <boru> Well, that's very true.
[21:39:13] <boru> He's an awful twat.
[21:40:51] <xhedit> plus he got pwned like every other superstring jerk when LHC found no susy particles
[21:41:18] <boru> Have you ever read The Trouble with Physics by Lee Smolin?
[21:41:22] <xhedit> no
[21:41:40] <boru> I'm by no means a proponent of string theory, but it gave me some perspective.
[21:42:13] <boru> In terms of seeing the side of the proponents of most GUT proposals.
[21:42:25] <boru> That said, I leave physics to the real physicists.
[21:42:44] <xhedit> like phil?
[21:42:56] <boru> Which Phil?
[21:43:01] <xhedit> the large one here
[21:43:18] <xhedit> physics is a lot of work.
[21:43:40] <boru> It is, and I don't pretend to have the aptitude for that level.
[21:48:40] <xhedit> i've been teaching myself EE and i just skipped over transfer functions, seems like a lot of hassle for not much.
[21:49:27] <boru> Depends on what you're doing.
[21:50:05] <boru> If you're interested in sig prop, and stuff like that, just get the Johnson and Graham books.
[21:50:07] <Virindi> clearly he's designing microwave waveguides
[21:50:12] <xhedit> radio stuffs. i'm sure transfer functions are useful or they wouldn't teach it, but i have no idea what it's actually useful for
[21:50:57] <boru> I've mostly worked with digital stuff throughout my career.
[21:51:23] <boru> Well, that's a lie. There's usually been some analogue bits, but further away from what I've been working on.
[21:51:40] <boru> My new gig ought to be a bit closer.
[21:52:32] <xhedit> my real practical problem thus far has been every single clock source is just drifting all over the place.
[21:54:27] <Virindi> your real practical problem is that your local dumpster seems to be strangely lacking in multi-thousand dollar brand new equipment
[21:54:37] <Virindi> dumpsters these days.
[21:54:47] <xhedit> i might have better luck in oz, who knows
[21:54:57] <boru> You can pick up refurbed scopes for fairly decent prices these days.
[21:55:18] <boru> I picked up a 1GHz MSO recently for a pretty good price.
[21:55:22] <boru> Fully kitted out.
[21:55:25] <Virindi> what is "decent"?
[21:55:45] <xhedit> blinga blinga
[21:55:48] <boru> 6K for a MSOX3104A with all of the addons.
[21:56:01] <boru> (€)
[21:56:20] <Virindi> while that may be a good price relatively speaking, that's still a lot of money to most people
[21:56:33] <xhedit> that's like 3 cars
[21:56:56] <boru> Really? Where are you? I need to move there.
[21:57:06] <xhedit> used cars off craigslit
[21:57:17] <Virindi> in the US you can get a running used car for $500
[21:57:38] <Virindi> might not run for very long but still
[21:57:52] <boru> I'm working on getting to the US.
[21:58:16] <boru> It's a shame they knocked the visa waiver on the head.
[22:01:15] <Virindi> that's funny, my impression was most europeans really don't want to come here
[22:01:58] <boru> I've liked most Americans I've I met, and the pictures of the places I'd like to visit are truly beautiful.
[22:02:09] <Virindi> we're all crazy trumpers! the US is one step from nazi germany! it wouldn't be safe!
[22:02:35] <boru> That, the work prospects, lax gun laws, interesting weather, clear skies...
[22:03:04] <boru> They make it very attractive as a destination to put down roots.
[22:03:45] <Virindi> if you want lax gun laws that does shut down the place with the best weather
[22:04:12] <boru> Arizona?
[22:04:17] <boru> Wyoming?
[22:04:31] <Virindi> I would say the best weather is in california :)
[22:04:45] <boru> Goodness, no. I wouldn't be caught dead there.
[22:04:53] <xhedit> I'd prefer montana
[22:04:59] <boru> Aye, now you're talking.
[22:05:00] <Virindi> pretty empty
[22:05:05] <boru> Precisely.
[22:05:26] <Virindi> xhedit: with a round american woman, and a "recreational vehicle"?
[22:05:55] <Virindi> you can travel state to state with no papers, too.
[22:05:57] <xhedit> i mean, sure.
[22:06:03] <boru> I'd like to see other parts, though. The Ozarks in Arkansas, the hollers in Kentucky etc.
[22:06:12] <xhedit> kentucky is worthless
[22:06:26] <boru> Kentucky has bourbon and bluegrass.
[22:06:28] * chromas gives Virindi one ping. One ping only.
[22:06:34] <Virindi> Thanks.
[22:06:36] <boru> And horses.
[22:06:42] <xhedit> they do have horses
[22:06:50] <xhedit> and a giant oil field of fire at the ky/wv border
[22:07:00] <boru> Which one is WV, again?
[22:07:07] <Virindi> west of virginia :)
[22:07:11] * boru nods.
[22:08:12] <xhedit> i was driving through kentucky in the middle of what was apparently peak flea market season, not a single hotel had a goddamn room and I'm bitter still.
[22:09:22] <boru> Learning the finer side of bourbon with a southern accented woman in a coal town up some mountain with a decent fiddle and banjo player in the corner would be my ideal sample of Kentucky.
[22:11:38] <boru> Though TMB would probably tell me that TN is the home of good bourbon.
[22:12:41] <Virindi> bring your money with you, you won't be easily making more of it unless you work remote
[22:12:43] <xhedit> i prefer the mountains, which is more wv
[22:12:55] <xhedit> kentucky is half mountain half midwest
[22:13:13] <boru> Aye, mountains, lakes and rivers are more my speed, but I'd like to see what the American desert is like, as well.
[22:13:21] <boru> Purely to satisfy my astronomical needs.
[22:14:08] <boru> The place I'm starting work at in a few weeks has an office in Boulder in Colorado, which I hope to visit. I'd really like to see the Flatirons in person.
[22:14:25] <xhedit> you should visit the national radio free zone
[22:14:41] <boru> Is that where those allergic-to-wifi crowd live?
[22:14:50] <Virindi> home of all the crazies who think electricity is hurting them
[22:14:51] <xhedit> probably?
[22:15:03] <xhedit> also big telescope
[22:15:10] <boru> Ah, right.
[22:15:31] <boru> Bloody radio astronomers.
[22:15:32] <Virindi> radiotelescope though isn't it. I mean wv is gonna be cloudy often to visible light
[22:15:44] <boru> Aye, feckers.
[22:16:00] <xhedit> it's still imaging.. kind of
[22:16:20] <boru> Sure, but unperturbed by tropospheric conditions for the most part.
[22:17:14] <boru> That's one thing I'll miss about where I am, now; the seeing is better by a long shot than back home.
[22:20:23] <xhedit> a lot of neat stuff here, dunno how you would try and pick between it in one trip
[22:20:30] <boru> Indeed.
[22:20:50] <boru> Being an islander, I still don't fully grasp just how large the continental US is.
[22:21:00] <boru> I've been to other large countries, but I've crossed them by air.
[22:21:08] <boru> Russia, for example.
[22:21:48] <boru> I flew out to Petropavlovsk by way of Krasnoyarsk.
[22:22:14] <xhedit> i'm sure it means something
[22:22:20] <Virindi> "bigger than europe"
[22:23:00] <xhedit> russia is less of a country and more of half of two continents
[22:23:18] <Virindi> the size of the US makes it fun to drive places
[22:23:44] <boru> Aye.
[22:23:48] <Virindi> since unlike russia or australia for instance, it isn't just a few cities and then 80% wasteland
[22:24:01] <Virindi> it's people and stuff on forever
[22:24:03] <Sulla> I really like long drives and roadtrips. Have driven from Oregon to Anchorage Alaska and back five times so far. Takes 5 or so days and is a hell of a hood
[22:24:05] <boru> Well, there's a certain beauty in that/
[22:24:06] <Sulla> Hoot*
[22:24:49] <xhedit> driving to alaska is hardcore mode
[22:24:56] <boru> Aye, I'd like to see Alaska, alright.
[22:25:02] <boru> It looks beautiful in pictures.
[22:25:06] <xhedit> it is
[22:25:24] <boru> Anchorage would be nice, but I'd like to go right out to Barrow as well.
[22:25:32] <Virindi> I do want to do that sometime, miami to alaska
[22:25:34] <xhedit> i only got up far north as fair banks
[22:25:49] <Sulla> First time up was going to college and driving an '86 vanagon (back in 07), last time back was '14 with a new truck towing the vanagon.
[22:26:05] <boru> I often see places on a map, and wonder what it's like there. That's what brought me to Kamchatka and Svalbard.
[22:26:08] <Virindi> if miami is still there after this weekend ;)
[22:26:14] <xhedit> what is svalbard like
[22:26:25] <Sulla> Ive been from homer up to fairbanks, wife has been up to barrow I think
[22:26:31] <boru> Barren, but beautiful in that sense.
[22:26:47] <boru> I know someone who was stationed at Alert in Canada in the military.
[22:26:57] <boru> Now there's somewhere I'd like to see.
[22:27:13] <boru> Parts of Svalbard are like a step back in time, though.
[22:27:32] <boru> I prefered northern Norway in terms of scenery.
[22:27:57] <boru> Tromso, Hammerfest, Alta are all very quaint places to visit.
[22:28:04] <xhedit> like the old whaling town or whatever, is it abandoned?
[22:28:19] <boru> They're all fishing towns.
[22:28:33] <boru> But no, not all abandoned.
[22:28:47] <boru> The other islands have some interesting geographic features, as well.
[22:29:04] <xhedit> i'd like to see faroe
[22:29:08] <boru> Which is one of the reasons I'd like to visit Bolshevik island.
[22:30:01] <boru> I'd like to do Easter Island, as well.
[22:30:20] <boru> The terrian seems alien, or something.
[22:30:36] <boru> Chile is next on the list though, I think.
[22:31:01] <boru> I'll climb some volcanos in the south, and then go north to the Atacama to meet some friends working at Paranal and La Silla.
[22:32:32] <boru> You guys in the US, though, you have a trove of amazing places on the same land mass. You're lucky.
[22:34:30] <xhedit> you'll definitely get to experience american traffic jams
[22:35:38] <boru> I don't mind being stuck in traffic.
[22:36:18] <boru> It gives you time to think.
[22:39:03] <Virindi> well you sound like a nice guy, you're welcome here...but do us a favor and maybe mention to a few of your countrymen before you leave that we aren't all nazis
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[22:40:28] <boru> Well, I think people who use the term 'nazi' to describe people in the modern era are idiots.
[22:41:30] <boru> I think there is this false perception of both sides of the pond of how we see one another.
[22:41:39] <boru> Mainly due to the media, and a vocal few.
[22:41:42] <Virindi> yeah that's about right, the people being discussed are almost never those who wish to mass murder anyone who has the wrong ancestry
[22:41:51] <boru> You'll generally find that most Irish people like Americans.
[22:41:52] <Virindi> more like a catchall for people who are disagreed with
[22:42:35] <boru> Indeed. Which is preposterous.
[22:45:02] <Virindi> are you from ireland ireland or northern ireland?
[22:45:21] <boru> It's all Ireland to me.
[22:45:34] <boru> But no, not the counties under foreign occuptation.
[22:46:15] <boru> Occupation, even.
[22:59:28] <Virindi> haha nice.
[23:03:40] <Sulla> Kind of silly to call anyone everyone in the US Nazis when they are an actual group with only about 5k members.
[23:05:15] <Virindi> probably a good number of whom are FBI agents
[23:05:19] <Virindi> :)
[23:05:54] <Sulla> Yeah, probably a pretty cush job. Chill out with rednecks, drink beer, and shoot shit
[23:05:58] <boru> AIUI, the American Nazi Party, lead by George Lincoln Rockwell has disbanded some time ago.
[23:06:16] <boru> Calling white separatists 'nazis' is utterly moronic.
[23:07:05] <Sulla> When I was in like middle school (15 years ago) I thought I saw a website for an american nazi party?
[23:07:12] <boru> There's a lot of ignorance on both sides of that fence, imho.
[23:07:31] <Virindi> dunno about that. I'm sure there are some people who would, if their group was actually in control, start mass murder
[23:07:43] <boru> Oh, I'm sure there are plenty of websites, but in terms of an active political party.
[23:07:53] <Virindi> obviously not many but I tend to think of that and white supremicists are similar
[23:08:09] <Sulla> Looks like not official but people claim they are
[23:08:10] <Virindi> are=as
[23:08:12] <boru> Supremacism and separatism are two different things, however.
[23:08:16] <Sulla> Yeah
[23:09:10] <Virindi> It's kinda moot though. At least, I've never met someone like that.
[23:09:22] <Sulla> Annoying that of all the statues to rip down they chose Lee
[23:10:14] <Virindi> You mean the guy who worked tirelessly to heal the country after gracefully admitting defeat and urging his people not to go to guerilla warfare? :)
[23:10:37] <Virindi> Jefferson Davis was a jerk though, rip that one down I guess.
[23:11:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, the guy who freed all his slaves ten years before the war while lincoln said if he could preserve the union without freeing a single slave, he would
[23:11:11] <Virindi> Lincoln didn't mean that
[23:11:16] <Virindi> that was political pandering
[23:11:18] <Sulla> No, I mean the guy who was offered leadership of the union army but virginia's republicans decided to secceed when the north raised an army first.
[23:11:20] <boru> I think a lot of the people involved in that sort of thing are sorely missing a dose of hardship.
[23:11:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft
[23:11:32] <Sulla> Davis can f off though
[23:12:01] <Sulla> TMB: been waiting for you all day, can I find out my ratio now?
[23:12:08] <Sulla> Plox
[23:12:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, it's the weekend and i'm being a lazyass
[23:12:30] <Sulla> Dang oh well
[23:12:35] <Virindi> what do you mean republicans seceed
[23:12:52] <Virindi> the republicans were the anti-slavery party.
[23:12:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not something you can just query up. you gotta create a temporary table n populate it first
[23:13:03] <Sulla> Check out the virginia house decision
[23:13:42] <Sulla> They were pretty even on the idea of leaving the union until lincoln told them to raise troops to invade the south
[23:13:56] <Sulla> They were not in the first batch to leave over slavery
[23:13:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> virginia's decision to secede had less to do with slavery and more to do with the north about to run an army through it.
[23:14:08] <Sulla> Further down south was very about slavery though
[23:14:34] <Virindi> I'm not so sure about that characterization
[23:14:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> look it up. s'troof.
[23:15:08] <Virindi> obviously different people had different reasons :)
[23:15:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> well yeah. the guys who did the voting to gtfo were on record with non-slavery reasons though.
[23:15:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> in virginia anyway.
[23:15:53] <Sulla> Virginia in particular was very interesting
[23:18:14] <Sulla> Looking up the vote tallys at the virginia secession convention, they began 2/3 against secession
[23:19:39] <Virindi> well, you did have a number of people from the western areas (including now wv) who were favoring the northern side
[23:19:58] <boru> I must admit, I wish I knew more about American history; it's interesting. We only got superficial exposure at school. It was predominatly Irish and European history.
[23:20:11] <boru> Civil wars are always the same, though.
[23:21:32] <Virindi> tension built up over a long time between two different cultural groups that comes to a head with one issue, when that issue is just the one that happens to be the match?
[23:21:59] <boru> More or less.
[23:22:16] <boru> In Ireland, the free state and the IRA had built up over a longer period, I suppose.
[23:22:19] <Sulla> It was so long ago, wish I knew the old citations to back my words. For virginia it was something along the lines of. 1 - 2/3 against, 2 - Lincoln told them to raise two regiments to take back federal land, 3 - virginia realized that if they ever disagreed with the fed the same would happen to them
[23:23:04] <Sulla> Was not just cultural, just before the war the north and south almost came to blows over tarrifs. The industrialized north was setting trade based on that, the south relied on farming
[23:23:29] <Virindi> "I disagree" "okay we're sending troops" was not exactly something that was ever envisioned for the federal government
[23:23:45] <Virindi> it basically went against everything the federal government was supposed to be, at that time
[23:23:50] <boru> From my understanding, the southern conflict was far more militaised than, say, the Western territories like Dakota and Motana, where it was far more financially brokered around the gold rush etc.
[23:23:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, i was just wandering through. got dinner to eat and some movie or other to watch.
[23:23:53] <Sulla> Same deal as now. Cities and country dont understand eachother
[23:24:02] <boru> Montana, even.
[23:24:09] <boru> Feckin' whiskey fingers.
[23:24:32] <Sulla> Yeah, been eyeing a bottle of rye but trying to fix the city's cap assets
[23:24:50] <Sulla> Behind on the CAFR schedule
[23:25:00] <boru> On a Saturday? You're bananas, old chap.
[23:25:29] <Sulla> We are doing a new accounting software, so weekend is my only time to catch up
[23:25:42] <boru> That's rough.
[23:25:49] <Sulla> Eh
[23:26:06] <Sulla> Ill just skip work next friday and have a three day weekend
[23:26:32] <boru> I oft post this writeup for situations such as this: https://gist.github.com
[23:26:54] <boru> A lesson I learn a-new in most companies I work for.
[23:27:40] <Sulla> Longer than a tldr, brb readin
[23:27:47] * boru nods.
[23:31:59] <Sulla> Totally agree
[23:32:35] <Sulla> Not working out of loyalty, im salary management, I can trade any time now for any time later
[23:32:51] <boru> Aye, the time in lieu thing is nice.
[23:33:06] <boru> That's what's attracted me to my next gig, in fact; unlimited time off.
[23:33:11] <Sulla> My father in law is a boomer manager who always bitches about employees not being loyal
[23:33:20] <boru> I tend to get married to interesting projects, and put in mad hours.
[23:33:36] <boru> Alas, I've worked in a lot of places that aren't a meritocracy, sadly.
[23:33:54] <Sulla> Mad that his employees who he wont hire without a degree arent happy with a lifetime at 15/hr "or if they apply themselves 21 if they get all the certifications"
[23:33:58] <boru> Loyalty is earned, imho.
[23:34:08] <Sulla> Yeah
[23:34:35] <boru> In my entire career, I think I've worked in two places that earned my loyalty.
[23:34:45] <Sulla> Currently I am asset accountant in charge of crews for implementing asset management, receivables, billing, and reporting.
[23:35:04] <Sulla> Also govt so extra protections
[23:35:21] <boru> Aye, plenty of security there, I'd say.
[23:35:33] <Sulla> Hate being govt because I steal taxpayer money by having a job, so I work out of loyalty to the taxpayer instead of the employer
[23:35:41] <boru> Noble.
[23:35:50] <Sulla> Gotta sleep somehow
[23:36:04] <boru> Aye, I can relate.
[23:36:25] <boru> Probably why I've settled in space.
[23:36:33] <boru> Worked in semiconductors for a while. Never again.
[23:37:52] <Sulla> Will be interesting watching millenials get older to see what kind of management they are
[23:39:03] <boru> It results in a lot of churn, ime.
[23:39:21] <Sulla> Kind of bothered that the same "just shake the guys hand" "my company has done so much for me" boomers will justify actions like you talked about in the link
[23:40:02] <boru> Well, it's a different time. I think there's been an insidious shift in the interim.
[23:40:29] <boru> I saw that in semis, and then some.
[23:41:46] <boru> I tend to suffer from loyalty to projects, as an engineer.
[23:42:12] <boru> When people say "don't lose sleep over it", I tend to lose sleep over people signing off on poor engineering.
[23:42:29] <boru> It really gets my goat.
[23:44:00] <Sulla> Understandable. One of our contractors really messed up the project I am on, just replaced him with 6 weeks to golive
[23:44:10] <boru> Ouch.
[23:44:43] <Sulla> Would email guy 20 times and he would still do the wrong thing and complain to management it was my team that was not specific
[23:45:03] <boru> I've run into plenty of contractors like that, though, but I blame managment for repeatedly making the mistake of throwing more engineers at a problem thinking it'll deliver it on time.
[23:45:15] <boru> On time, to spec, to cost -- pick one.
[23:45:24] <Sulla> Sounds right
[23:45:42] <boru> In a well oiled machine, pick two, at most.
[23:45:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Spotify and Hulu Team Up for $5-Per-Month Student Bundle - http://sylnt.us - that's-pretty-inexpensive-for-buying-a-student
[23:45:59] <boru> But most companies are lead by the same meatheads.
[23:46:40] <Sulla> Well its about 5, I cant imagine anyone will be in production at this point. Have to open up period 1 prior fiscal year to do these assets. Hopefully nobody gets in and does anything
[23:47:01] <Sulla> Guess im af(blackberry)k
[23:47:16] <boru> You can't lock out the system for the duration?
[23:47:26] <Sulla> Nope
[23:47:30] <boru> Feh.
[23:47:36] <Sulla> Its probably a feature
[23:47:41] <Sulla> Thanks oracle
[23:47:47] <boru> Heh, sounds about right.
[23:47:48] <Sulla> Just like not having menus
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[23:50:08] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[23:50:33] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
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