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[00:57:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Automating Attacks on Online Review Systems Using Neural Networks - http://sylnt.us - another-job-lost-to-automation
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[02:36:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Predicts Appearance From Genome Sequence Data - http://sylnt.us - we-know-what-you-look-like
[04:07:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Edition of the International Cloud Atlas - http://sylnt.us - the-fluffy-stuff
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[05:06:39] <chromas> https://i.imgur.com
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[05:37:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mario is no Longer a Plumber - http://sylnt.us - plumb-disgusting
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[07:17:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Three Hardcoded Backdoor Accounts Discovered in Arris Modems - http://sylnt.us - Somthing's-Amiss^W-Arris
[08:46:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sci-Hub Faces $4.8 Million Piracy Damages and ISP Blocking - http://sylnt.us - dog-pile
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[10:15:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Vulnerabilities Discovered in Mobile Bootloaders of Major Vendors - http://sylnt.us - there's-more-where-that-came-from
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[10:58:03] <Bytram> coffee++
[10:58:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3630
[10:59:38] * Bytram was reading about a story about lenovo's superfish settlement... learned dell has pulled some shenanigans, too. Installed mmc on win7pro to examine certs, found one issued by "Root Agency" and issued to "Root Agency" !!?!
[11:00:20] <Bytram> ^^^"The integrity of this certificate cannot be guaranteed. The certificate may be corrupted or may have been altered."
[11:00:26] <Bytram> *boom* gone.
[11:01:46] <Bytram> also removed "wondershare" cert -- what a hot mess of background stuff that was. didn't know it had also installed its own cert when I tried to remove it from my system about a year ago.
[11:03:45] <Bytram> blarg... "StartCom Certification Authority" -- weren't they the ones found to be backdating SHA-1 certs for clients? (ISTR that SN use[s|d] them at one time?)
[11:04:42] <Bytram> !uid
[11:04:42] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6700, owned by Joyce
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[11:08:22] <Bytram> Notsanguine: wb!
[11:10:50] <Bytram> coffee time
[11:10:53] <Bytram> biab
[11:27:56] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:27:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3631
[11:28:01] <Bytram> ~weather presq
[11:28:03] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 59°F / 15°C, cloudy, wind NW at 0 mph, humidity 100% - Wednesday rain (59°F:66°F / 15°C:19°C), Thursday rain (50°F:65°F / 10°C:18°C), Friday scattered showers (46°F:66°F / 8°C:19°C), Saturday thunderstorm (45°F:63°F / 7°C:17°C)
[11:28:05] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[11:28:07] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 66°F / 19°C, mostly cloudy, wind S at 1 mph, humidity 90% - Wednesday thunderstorm (61°F:69°F / 16°C:21°C), Thursday partly cloudy (54°F:72°F / 12°C:22°C), Friday partly cloudy (51°F:71°F / 11°C:22°C), Saturday mostly sunny (50°F:68°F / 10°C:20°C)
[11:28:10] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[11:28:12] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 70°F / 21°C, mostly cloudy, wind SE at 9 mph, humidity 91% - Wednesday scattered thunderstorms (65°F:75°F / 18°C:24°C), Thursday scattered showers (58°F:75°F / 14°C:24°C), Friday partly cloudy (55°F:73°F / 13°C:23°C), Saturday mostly sunny (53°F:67°F / 12°C:19°C)
[11:28:20] <Bytram> ~weather baltimore
[11:28:22] <exec> 10Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 70°F / 21°C, cloudy, wind NW at 3 mph, humidity 90% - Wednesday rain (59°F:70°F / 15°C:21°C), Thursday mostly sunny (58°F:75°F / 14°C:24°C), Friday mostly sunny (56°F:76°F / 13°C:24°C), Saturday mostly sunny (56°F:72°F / 13°C:22°C)
[11:28:23] <Bytram> ~weather miami
[11:28:25] <exec> 10Miami, FL, USA - currently 83°F / 28°C, partly cloudy, wind SE at 4 mph, humidity 82% - Wednesday isolated thunderstorms (80°F:88°F / 27°C:31°C), Thursday isolated thunderstorms (81°F:89°F / 27°C:32°C), Friday scattered thunderstorms (82°F:90°F / 28°C:32°C), Saturday heavy rain (82°F:86°F / 28°C:30°C)
[11:45:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Two of Uranus's Moons Could Collide Within One Million Years - http://sylnt.us - when-worlds-collide
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[12:11:30] <exec> welcome Runaway1956: Dallas, TX, USA, 19°C/67°F, 7:11 am GMT-5, Wednesday, 6 September 2017
[13:27:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Details of U.S. 'Top Secret' Clearance Holders Leaked Online - http://sylnt.us - leaking-like-a-sieve
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[13:53:18] <SoyCow1937> #submit http://www.spaceflightinsider.com
[13:53:21] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[13:53:46] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
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[14:56:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Oreo Means No Going Back - http://sylnt.us - dunk-it-in-milk
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[15:54:59] <SoyCow1937> #submit https://arstechnica.com
[15:54:59] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[15:55:24] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[15:59:24] <SoyCow1937> #submit https://arstechnica.com
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[15:59:50] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[16:01:34] <SoyCow1937> #submit https://arstechnica.com
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[16:01:59] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[16:03:28] <SoyCow1937> #submit https://arstechnica.com
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[16:03:54] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
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[16:17:20] <SoyCow1937> #submit https://www.engadget.com
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[16:25:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - United Technologies to Buy Rockwell Collins for $23 Billion - http://sylnt.us - going-vertical
[16:27:24] <pinchy> rush limbaugh and ben shapiro together at last
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[18:08:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Huawei Kirin 970 SoC to Include Dedicated "Neural Processing Unit" - http://sylnt.us - neural-network-in-my-toaster
[19:36:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How to Decode the Images on the Voyager Golden Record - http://sylnt.us - 45-or-33-1/3?
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[20:33:04] <SoyCow6984> Just wanted to let any editors who are around that there is only one story left in the queue. There should be at least a few submissions worth posting.
[20:33:13] <SoyCow6984> Thanks in advance.
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[20:49:33] <EdIII> Hello
[20:49:44] <EdIII> It seems Stripe is down for subscriptions
[20:49:51] <EdIII> Received this: "Sorry, there was a problem loading Checkout. If this persists, please try a different browser. This message will automatically close in 5 seconds."
[20:52:32] <EdIII> PayPal is working though. My subscription went through without any issues
[21:07:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Star Wars Franchise Loses Fourth Director in Two Years - http://sylnt.us - the-sixth-is-free
[21:24:23] <Bytram> EdIII: Hi! Thanks for the heads-up! Glad you were able to get it to work with PayPal... will take a look. (It's not my bailiwick, but I might be able to sleuth something out to pass on to the other devs)... thanks again! AND... even more important: Thanks for your subscription!!!
[22:03:43] <Bytram> break time
[22:17:56] <Bytram> back =)
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[22:26:24] <exec> welcome crutchy: Melbourne VIC, 9°C/49°F, 8:26 am AEST, Thursday, 7 September 2017
[22:26:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday crutchy
[22:26:33] * exec explicitly irritates a stash of phantom power with crutchy
[22:27:02] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders through in passing on his way to pizza
[22:27:23] <chromas> What uh…what kind of pizza?
[22:27:39] <crutchy> ~g'day TheMightyBuzzard
[22:27:41] * exec derisively snatches a barrel of TNT from TheMightyBuzzard
[22:27:43] <crutchy> ~g'day chromas
[22:27:45] * exec hideously $action a matrix of extra cleverness $preposition chromas
[22:27:52] * chromas starts fantasizing about pizza
[22:27:55] <chromas> ~g'day crutchy
[22:27:57] * exec cautiously writes a fanfic featuring a side channel of secret sauce about crutchy
[22:28:18] <crutchy> <MrPlow> <TheMightyBuzzard> oi, spider bait, got time to make exec die when he disconnects from irc so we can do up a cron job to restart him?
[22:28:35] <crutchy> i dun geddit
[22:28:57] <chromas> when exec dies, apparently he doesn't get the memo and just sits in the loop forever
[22:29:09] <crutchy> oh?
[22:29:12] <crutchy> bad bot
[22:29:28] <chromas> I think cmn32480 sshs (sshes?) in to restart
[22:29:57] <crutchy> its supposed to wait for processes to finish or get killed after a timeout, but thats only what its supposed to do
[22:30:08] * chromas just watched an hour long talk about the history of Diablo
[22:30:15] <crutchy> maybe its busted
[22:30:20] <crutchy> lol
[22:30:28] <crutchy> oh nuts. i gotta go to workipoos
[22:30:34] <crutchy> catch yas later
[22:30:40] <chromas> Maybe it just hasn't been touched in the right places in too long
[22:30:42] <chromas> see yas
[22:33:33] <Bytram> crutchy: ahoy!
[22:34:30] <Bytram> an idea: if exec hasn't "heard" anything on any of his channels in, say, an hour or two or whatever, assume he lost his connection and try a restart?
[22:46:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out - http://sylnt.us - find-a-bigger-candle-to-burn-at-both-ends
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[23:13:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.techdirt.com
[23:13:29] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[23:13:55] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[23:30:27] <Virindi> does spam mod not cost points, am I blocked for some reason from spam modding, or am I missing something?
[23:31:39] <Virindi> I have only been spam modding posts which contain a childlike collection of curse words with no argument, theory, information or humor
[23:39:46] <cmn32480> I don't touch exec at all if possible
[23:40:24] <cmn32480> spam costs same as every other mod Virindi
[23:40:38] <Bytram> ^^^ what he said
[23:40:44] <Virindi> then how come when I have tried to mod things spam nothing happens now
[23:40:56] <Bytram> Virindi: is this your nick on SN?
[23:41:01] <Virindi> yes
[23:41:09] <Bytram> k.... gimme a bit
[23:41:16] <Virindi> 3484
[23:41:30] <Bytram> heh. yup. just confirmed
[23:41:32] <Bytram> =)
[23:42:21] <Bytram> I see you have karma of 45 and I do *not* see a mod ban in effect....
[23:42:49] <Bytram> I see that you've made 3 moderations today
[23:42:50] <cmn32480> we can resolve that "No ban" problem if you want....
[23:43:12] <Bytram> whoops, other way around... you postd 3 commments today
[23:43:20] * clorox|2 will take two bans
[23:43:34] <clorox|2> They're free, right?
[23:43:53] * cmn32480 bans chromas
[23:43:56] <Bytram> Virindi: and I see only two moderations made by you... one troll and one spam.
[23:44:00] <Virindi> I tried to spam mod this post a few minutes ago and nothing happened https://soylentnews.org
[23:44:01] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | How to Recognize Burnout Before You’re Burned Out
[23:44:07] <Virindi> I didn't lose any modpoints
[23:44:27] <clorox|2> it's at -1 already
[23:44:43] <Virindi> oh so if it goes -1 then the mod doesn't happen?
[23:44:43] <clorox|2> maybe it wasn't at the time I s'pose
[23:44:52] <clorox|2> It can't get lower than -1
[23:44:53] <Bytram> you were not the only one who tagged that comment as spam... but since soneone else had modded it as troll before your moderation attempt hiot the system, your moderation got dropped on the floor, so to speak.
[23:45:04] <cmn32480> Spam mods have to be the first mod on the comment, I believe
[23:45:14] <Bytram> not quite...
[23:45:15] <Virindi> ouch that is not a good system
[23:45:25] <Bytram> well, scores run from -1 to +5
[23:45:39] <Bytram> what to do with a mod of 01 against a comment that is already at -1?
[23:45:42] <Bytram> s/01/-1/
[23:45:43] <upstart> <Bytram> what to do with a mod of -1 against a comment that is already at -1?
[23:45:45] <exec> <Bytram> what to do with a mod of -1 against a comment that is already at -1?
[23:45:48] <Bytram> lol
[23:46:13] <cmn32480> the spam mod would also effect the IPID, won't it?
[23:46:36] <Bytram> if it were applied, yes.
[23:46:47] <Virindi> I thought the spam mod was separate from the normal rating system
[23:47:26] <Bytram> but, in this case, before Virindi tried to apply a spam mod, someone else modded that comment as "-1 Troll"... once a comment is already at -1, it cannot be modded lower.
[23:47:32] <Virindi> so basically then, if a spam post is downvoted normally first then it is immune to the repercussions of spam?
[23:47:42] <Bytram> not quite...
[23:48:04] <Bytram> if it were to be modded up (from -1 to 0) *then* it could be modded spam.
[23:48:09] <Virindi> still
[23:48:15] <clorox|2> You could mod it up from a sock account, then spam mod it :)
[23:48:23] <Bytram> 'zactly
[23:49:04] <Virindi> if everyone finds it a crap post then it is just luck of the draw whether it gets spam'd or down'd first, I thought spam was supposed to exist as a punishment for the IP to remove really bad stuff......that would seem to counteract that
[23:49:49] <Virindi> seems silly that by being normally downvoted you are protected from a worse fate
[23:49:51] <Bytram> "Law of least astonishment" -- makes the rules as reasonably simple to understand, and apply, as reasonably possible. realize that getting to a 'better' system could cause a huge performance hit on our servers.
[23:50:13] <Bytram> and
[23:50:13] <Virindi> the way it is now is extremely surprising to me :)
[23:50:26] <Virindi> that is all I am saying really
[23:50:38] <Virindi> I wasn't asking you to change it, I was just surprised and confused
[23:50:53] <Bytram> but once you understand the very basic rule that scores are -1..5 and one cannot moderate below -1 AND...
[23:51:11] <Bytram> the -10 is NOT a comment moderation, but a hit on the USER's *karma*
[23:51:34] <Virindi> if it is "NOT a comment moderation" then why the heck does it matter at all what the post's point value is?????
[23:51:40] <Virindi> that makes no sense to me at all
[23:51:53] <Bytram> so, once people understand that any downmod of a comment precludes a spam mod, people will become more willing to hit actual spam with a spam mod from the outset.
[23:52:08] <Bytram> it IS a comment moderation: of -1
[23:52:18] <Bytram> it is ALSO a karma hit: -10
[23:52:24] <Bytram> wait...
[23:52:31] <Bytram> ugh, I got that wrong.
[23:52:44] <Bytram> sorry I just worked 7 days in a row and am pretty much knackered
[23:52:48] <Virindi> can I get a spam mod that doesn't moderate at all and just hits the poster with a global penalty :D
[23:52:57] <Virindi> that's what I thought spam was
[23:53:15] <Virindi> (that was a joke)
[23:53:17] <Bytram> if I mod someone's comment as spam, and it is NOT spam, then I cccan get a moderation ban for 1 month (1st time) or (6 months -subsequent)
[23:53:32] <Virindi> yes I understand that.
[23:53:39] <Bytram> great!
[23:53:54] <Virindi> I was pretty confident that the things I was trying to spam mod were considered spam
[23:53:57] * Bytram gets confused, still, at times, and I was the one that TMB had test the implementation!
[23:54:26] <Bytram> nod nod
[23:54:45] <Bytram> well, I only see one attempt at a spam mod, today. were there others?
[23:55:07] <Virindi> it was a day or two ago, must have been the same -1 thing.
[23:55:22] <Virindi> honestly...
[23:55:58] <Bytram> day ago: that comment got hit with a offtopic before you attempted your spam mod
[23:56:18] <Virindi> recently I have been going to the site and clicking on the comments, then I see some completely worthless trash like "fucking jews did it" or the one I linked, and it just makes me not want to read the site
[23:56:35] <Virindi> so I want to help
[23:56:41] <Bytram> and on 8/26 you and someone else both tried to moderate it as spam, but was hit with a 'Flamebait" already/
[23:56:46] <Virindi> :\
[23:57:00] <Bytram> I appreciate your efforts!
[23:57:15] <Virindi> it seems to have gotten worse in the last few months
[23:57:32] <Bytram> I've found myself tempted to go on eradication missions on occasion...
[23:57:45] <Virindi> to be clear I am not complaining about troll humorists like the trump character or people ranting about their pet subject or whatever
[23:57:46] <Bytram> what I *try* to do, is to upmod more than I downmod
[23:57:47] <Bytram> and
[23:57:55] <Bytram> I've noticed the upturn in those comments....
[23:58:04] <Virindi> just completely worthless trash asshole comments
[23:58:15] <Bytram> have been flat out busy so have not had time/energy to attempt to code up a fliter to block those kinds of comments
[23:58:49] <Bytram> suggestion: change your comment threshold to be at least 0 (or even +1) and it will make a huge diffrence!
[23:59:07] <Bytram> do you know how to do that?
[23:59:12] <Virindi> well I have also seen posts which were not trash but were voted down.
[23:59:28] <Virindi> that is why the idea of hitting stuff with spam was so appealing
[23:59:35] <Virindi> since as you said every spam mod is reviewed
[23:59:52] <Bytram> I now I am NOT the only one who reads at -1 to keep an eye out for those that were modded down inappropriately.
[23:59:58] <Virindi> I don't want to miss stuff that people merely disagreed with