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[03:00:49] <NCommander> chromas, toolchain talk turns me on ;)
[03:00:55] <NCommander> Bytram, never got into the PDP stuff at all
[03:18:05] <Bytram> the PDP-8 was really simple, soon as you got used to octal, that is. When it came to assemblers though, MACRO-11 was the bomb -- straightforward orthogonal consistent naming conventions for ops, registers, etc.
[03:19:51] <Bytram> There was an overriding scheme to the naming conventions for the PDP-11 assembler -- a grammar for naming things if you will -- that just. made. sense!
[03:20:51] <Bytram> and, with that, slumber summons. laters!
[03:26:26] <Exaeta> ok, I submitted a new story, if it's not already submitted, no idea
[03:28:05] <Exaeta> But, basically, wikileaks alleges that Google works for the Deep State (e.g. CIA) and is has had a hand starting wars in foreign countries like Turkey by manipulating content
[04:17:13] <cmn32480> ~gday knuckleheads
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[04:24:49] <MrPlow> [2017-08-03 07:04:00] #Soylent <exec> welcome crutchy: Melbourne VIC, 8°C/47°F, 5:03 pm AEST, Thursday, 3 August 2017
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[07:43:03] <boru> If anyone wants some white light filters for that solar eclipse, let me know.
[08:32:49] <boru> pinchy; which beans are those?
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[09:17:18] <pinchy> boru: the telescope beans
[09:21:13] <boru> Oh, the control system work?
[09:21:36] <boru> I've worked on some motor control boxes for some radio and optical instruments.
[09:22:11] <boru> Just for driving motors, nothing fancy.
[09:23:45] <boru> I missed an opportunity at MPE to go out to the Atacama to do it, alas.
[09:28:26] <pinchy> well it sounds rewarding
[09:29:12] <pinchy> this MPE? https://en.wikipedia.org
[09:29:13] <upstart> ^ 03Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics - Wikipedia
[09:29:32] <boru> Yeah.
[09:29:39] <boru> I know some guys working there.
[09:29:50] <pinchy> so I take it you must do only embedded type stuff
[09:30:21] <boru> These days, yeah.
[09:30:37] <pinchy> so do you mind talking about where all you worked? like a brief overview
[09:31:13] <pinchy> so what did u do before the embedded stuff?
[09:31:15] <boru> I try not to leak too much specific information online, but if you have questions, I'll answer them.
[09:32:41] <pinchy> ok i guess not where but what. im trying to remember what sparked this conversation
[09:32:44] <boru> Let's see: assemblers/compilers, image processing, large distributed networking systems, semiconductors.
[09:33:43] <boru> You were talking about what industries you'd like to work in.
[09:34:21] <pinchy> i did some image processing work for a place that mode currency counterfeit detectors/sorters for banks and casinos. that was some really hard interesting work
[09:34:42] <boru> Interesting.
[09:35:38] <pinchy> there original system ran on MSDOS written entirely in asm. 16 bit mode. man that stuff was a nightmare to work on haha
[09:35:52] <boru> NCommander may beg to differ.
[09:36:02] <pinchy> well you should have seen the code
[09:36:38] <boru> I've seen the source for MSDOS 6.0. I can only imagine what software would run on it.
[09:36:48] <boru> I think I still have that somewhere, actually...
[09:36:53] <pinchy> i remember there were some nasty bugs related to paginc code in and out and keeping offsets straight
[09:37:43] <boru> I was just saying to NCommander yesterday, how I really don't understand how people could enjoy working with the intel ISA.
[09:37:52] <boru> It's horrendous.
[09:39:01] <pinchy> 32 bit mode x86 is not too bad. I cut my teeth on 6502 then later 68k. of course what I didnt like on x86 at first was how src and dest were reversed
[09:39:40] <boru> You mean syntax-wise?
[09:39:53] <boru> AT&T syntax is the same as 68k.
[09:40:06] <pinchy> I did alot of homebrew deving on n64 which has mips cpu. its a really dumbed down type asm
[09:40:33] <pinchy> haha AT&T , you mean the %eax mess?
[09:40:47] <boru> MIPS is great, but delay slots could be a pain.
[09:40:57] <boru> Well, src dest vs. dest src
[09:41:31] <boru> The register prefix is just syntactic sugar, but it sure does make gas listings difficult to read.
[09:41:34] <boru> Similarly so for Sparc.
[09:42:36] <pinchy> so what about the networking work youve done? have you had to do any *gasp* web dev work during that?
[09:43:08] <boru> Goodness, no.
[09:43:24] <boru> It was an n-million concurrent client system.
[09:43:37] <boru> Binary protocol.
[09:44:00] <boru> Web-related stuff is emetic to me.
[09:44:53] <boru> It's starting to creep into the edges of embedded work now, alas.
[09:45:15] <pinchy> are you in europe or something? since your up at this hour i figure not from the states
[09:45:21] <boru> All of those washed up dotcom boomers trying to wedge their shoddy technologies into other ecosystems to retain relevance.
[09:45:26] <boru> Yeah, I'm Irish.
[09:46:16] <pinchy> so have you always stayed in your home country or had to move around to chase jobs?
[09:46:28] <boru> I've emigrated.
[09:47:01] <boru> Wouldn't mind moving to the US.
[09:53:29] <pinchy> im sure youre familiar with teh google guy causing a stink on diversity. i read that he has a PHD in biology from harvard and my question is why google?
[09:54:25] <pinchy> id bet money he wasnt doing biological research or something like that there. probably more like the rest of them on how to shove ads down users throats
[09:56:14] <pinchy> boru: whats the longest u worked at any one place?
[10:03:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:03:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3581
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[11:31:22] * TheMightyBuzzard briefly debates getting an hour or so of coding in before getting otherwise busy
[11:31:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck it, ima play vidya
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[14:44:45] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
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[18:29:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck fuck fuck fuckity fuck
[18:29:32] * TheMightyBuzzard headdeskss
[18:29:43] <chromas> tablet got systemded?
[18:30:41] <chromas> or can't get your embedded code working
[18:31:52] <boru> Or really upset about that Antarctic news.
[18:35:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't find a cable for that modem
[18:41:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha! found a plug for the socket at least. i can make my own cable if necessary.
[18:42:15] <boru> Twisted pair?
[18:45:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> straightened coat hanger
[18:45:31] <boru> Sheesh, how much current are you blasting down it?
[18:45:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ALL OF IT!!!!
[18:45:46] * boru chuckles.
[18:46:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, plug's only rated for half an amp
[18:46:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't think i can solder to that itty bitty little bitch though.
[18:47:31] <boru> With a decent iron and the right tip, one can solder anything!
[18:59:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> not me. my manual dexterity ends well above 0.5mm spacing.
[19:00:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need a something that either breaks its own fucking ports out or gives a nice, fat, 40 pin ATA-sized cable to work with.
[19:02:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> found some with enough bells n whistles that they even run linux. unfortunately they only run a 2.x or 3.x kernel at the latest.
[19:02:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is not acceptable. 8+ year old bugs are not an option.
[19:04:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> besides which, an entire operating system would be massive overkill.
[19:04:42] <boru> Agreed.
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[19:14:27] * TheMightyBuzzard is getting quite close to just building something with an arduino
[19:14:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll call a distributor or two first though
[19:15:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> let someone who at least knows their own product line do the searching
[19:23:08] <boru> I'd be inclined to grab some cortex-m board, which are cheap as chips, pardon the pun.
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[21:49:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, https://industruino.com dat is da shiznit for what i want. only problem is their gsm module don't got fcc approval yet.
[21:49:04] <upstart> ^ 03home | Industruino
[21:56:50] <pinchy> http://www.86duino.com
[21:56:55] <upstart> ^ 0386Duino
[21:57:17] <pinchy> for the freedos lovers
[21:58:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh. 24DCV I/O, mounting to din rails, and being able to survive summer in a cabinet temps is kinda desirable.
[21:58:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> the lcd panel is kinda nice as well.
[22:08:26] <pinchy> what u making?
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[22:09:10] <chromas> spam time eh
[22:09:12] <delta> SUPERNETS MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!!
[22:09:12] <delta> SUPERNETS NOW HAS A NEW ONION!!
[22:09:12] <delta> superdkd33ogxgou.onion/6667
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[22:10:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> pinchy, digital pulse counter with a cell modem so it can call http://foo.bar.com
[22:11:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> like once a day
[22:11:48] <pinchy> sounds easy enuf. found a good cell modem?
[22:12:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> unfortunately not yet. that link has one but it ain't fcc approved yet
[22:13:10] <pinchy> i remember at a previous job we were looking at something to connect old POTS equipment to a cell phone and dial as usual
[22:13:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, interestin
[22:13:39] <pinchy> the thing never did work right. but that was like 10 yrs ago. i figured they would make something that worked by now
[22:14:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> this critter is pretty much exactly what i been looking for but i gotta wait on the fcc
[22:14:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt fuck the fcc
[22:14:19] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[22:15:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> wrong one but i dig it as well
[22:15:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt f the cc steve earle
[22:15:32] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[22:18:43] <pinchy> https://techship.com
[22:18:45] <upstart> ^ 03Huawei MS2131 USB-stick
[22:19:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, needs to be a modem that an arduino can communicate with directly
[22:20:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> that != usb
[22:22:07] <chromas> Collect a pile of old android phones :D
[22:22:27] <chromas> De-case-ify them, install heatsink+fan
[22:25:12] <pinchy> how would you activate one of these cell modems? wouldnt u have to activate just like a cell phone with a network?
[22:27:58] <pinchy> i guess these have a sim card. i keep thinking of verizon where it doesnt have that
[22:28:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[22:29:35] <pinchy> https://content.konekt.io
[22:29:36] <upstart> ^ 03Connect Your Arduino To Cellular Via Konekt’s Network
[22:30:03] <pinchy> thats cool, u can send http stuff with AT commands
[22:31:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> knod knod
[22:33:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[22:33:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[22:33:02] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 438
[22:37:49] <chromas> can you write the software in rust?
[22:41:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, gotta be C looks like
[22:41:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is just as well since it only has a very, very limited amount of ram.
[22:48:06] <chromas> perl, you say
[22:48:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, java
[22:49:10] * TheMightyBuzzard is having all kinds of run reading libraries that aren't even remotely documented
[22:55:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> kay, time to watch some tv and wait on dinner. see yall later this evening.
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[23:41:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.aclu.org
[23:41:08] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[23:41:33] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org