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[00:06:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Coding Library Vulnerability May Trickle Down to Thousands of IoT Devices - http://sylnt.us - no-comment
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[01:47:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hacker Allegedly Steals $7.4 Million in Ethereum During ICO - http://sylnt.us - invest-in...-security?
[03:18:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Congresswoman's IPhone Contained Nude Images, and an Aide Put Them Online - http://sylnt.us - cue-the-"not-so-virgin-islands"-jokes...
[03:20:52] <chromas> What a horrible, horrible thing to do! What kind of site would you put those pictures on? Like, where should I stay away from?
[03:25:58] <cmn32480> was she at least hot?
[03:45:38] <chromas> After extensive research on the subject, the photos seem hard to come by.
[03:45:43] <chromas> And yes, that's a double entendre.
[03:46:32] * chromas flagellates himself for internalized misogyny
[04:46:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Frozen Bodies Found in Swiss Glacier After 75 Years - http://sylnt.us - R.I.P.
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[06:25:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Appeals Court OKs Secrecy of FBI National Security Data Requests - http://sylnt.us - star-chambers-for-the-common-person
[07:56:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New “Bribery Game” Shows That Sometimes, Transparency Makes Things Worse - http://sylnt.us - need-different-colored-glasses
[09:27:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Glass is Officially Back With a Clearer Vision - http://sylnt.us - waiting-for-the-spectacle
[09:38:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[09:38:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3542
[09:41:24] <boru> Yes.
[09:41:28] <boru> coffee++
[09:41:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3543
[09:50:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[09:50:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[09:50:30] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 430
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[10:53:07] <SoyCow7267> hmm comment reveal isn't working on my phone
[10:53:54] <SoyCow7267> browswe is running js, and comments/trees are.collapsed
[10:57:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Woman Goes in for Cataract Surgery, Has 27 Contact Lenses Removed from Her Eye - http://sylnt.us - eye-see-what-she-did-there
[10:57:12] <SoyCow7267> seems to be tos prob, tng works
[10:57:33] <SoyCow7267> ~weather riga
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[11:16:47] <Bytram> cmn32480: good morning! Any chance you could prod exec back into action?
[11:17:05] <Bytram> SoyCow7267: You still around?
[11:22:00] <Bytram> SoyCow7267: If you could please provide a link to the story you are looking at, it would make it much easier for us to try and reproduce your problem.
[11:27:16] <SoyCow7267> bytram - any of the stories on the front page do it. almost certainly a browser.bug, but still annoying
[11:27:48] <Bytram> understand the *idea*... but it would be a big help if you would open one, and provide me with the exact link you used.
[11:29:27] <Bytram> the values for breakthrough, threshold and mode that you are viewing all have an impact on how the story is displayed.
[11:31:43] <Bytram> SoyCow7267: ^^^
[11:32:33] <Bytram> also, what browser are you using and on what kind of phone?
[11:33:27] <SoyCow7267> nokia n9
[11:33:36] <Bytram> android?
[11:33:41] <Bytram> chrome?
[11:34:00] <SoyCow7267> meego
[11:34:26] <Bytram> oh. that's one I don't have access to... doubt we ever tested on that.
[11:34:40] * Bytram did most of the testing of the whole collapsed comments code
[11:36:38] <SoyCow7267> both tos and tng are inactive, but tng opens more comments by default
[11:36:39] * TheMightyBuzzard is having all kinds of fun today cleaning a rootkit off of his media server
[11:36:59] <Bytram> I'm looking at this atm: https://soylentnews.org
[11:37:18] <Bytram> SoyCow7267: does that show the same problem you were seeing
[11:37:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ^^^
[11:37:21] <SoyCow7267> alas i don't know how to turn off js
[11:37:35] <Bytram> we don't use js for comments -- is all done with css
[11:37:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i see. don't have access to the browser though.
[11:37:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, the expand-all is done with js
[11:37:54] <Bytram> oh? Oh.
[11:38:06] <Bytram> ahhh, forgot about that -- was added later IIRC
[11:38:08] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:38:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3544
[11:38:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[11:39:19] <Bytram> SoyCow7267: I tried expanding / collapsing several comments using that link and things seemed to work okay for me. :/
[11:41:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> what browser does meego use?
[11:41:02] <SoyCow7267> works in firefox with js, but fails in built-in browser
[11:41:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, yeah, definitely a browser bug then.
[11:42:02] <boru> Booo js
[11:42:19] * TheMightyBuzzard nods emphatically to boru
[11:42:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> js is okay as long as a site still works without it
[11:42:51] <SoyCow7267> maybe fennec? may be something more obscure
[11:42:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> wish the distro was still supported by someone. could get it fixed. as it stands, it's abandonware.
[11:42:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> sites that load a blank page, then populate it entirely using js, THOSE piss me off.
[11:43:04] <SoyCow7267> browser team were useless cnuts
[11:43:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, yep
[11:43:54] <Bytram> not too worry about js... there's enough of us here who would launch a revolution if the site ever *required* js to view the content... some features about how you can view things may not be available, but everything should degrade gracefully. If it does not, then THAT is a bug.
[11:44:04] * Bytram is in that camp
[11:44:35] <boru> Or worse, a site which is viewed entirely in a java applet./
[11:44:41] * boru looks at NASA
[11:44:45] <SoyCow7267> most annoying thing is that google validates their use if they use particular fragment identifiers
[11:44:45] <Bytram> Boo! Hiss!
[11:44:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> SoyCow7267, nokia phone?
[11:45:09] <boru> Bloody MPC and their ephemeris display applet...
[11:45:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nokia n9
[11:45:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[11:46:05] <SoyCow7267> one of the problems was thatbthey were non-scrapeable, and rather than fix the antipattern google just kowtowed, and learnt to scrape js
[11:46:05] <Bytram> SoyCow7267: you are in good hands -- TheMightyBuzzard did a large chunk of the implementation of the revised comment display/processing code.
[11:46:32] * Bytram just pushed another story into the queue and now needs to get ready for work.
[11:46:37] <Bytram> !uid
[11:46:37] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6641, owned by DanRichNC
[11:47:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> SoyCow7267, that's my main beef, yep. makes it annoying to scrape a page with a bot/script/etc...
[11:47:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly i just ignore the site if it requires js
[11:47:46] <boru> Easy to do with `links -g`
[11:48:15] <Bytram> same here -- I run with noscript, and a AdBlock Lattitude and ublock origin
[11:48:37] <boru> Another gripe are sites which need shite from kitchensink.google.com and nsatracker.cloudfront.net etc.
[11:48:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> well yeah, if you wanna spawn an external process. be fine for a shell script where that's the norm but less so for a perl script.
[11:49:12] <boru> uBO is good, but I've obviated many plugins with uMatrix, from the person who brought you uBO.
[11:49:17] <Bytram> boru: well, they only need those to get *started* -- then they load libraries from all over the place :(
[11:49:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i love when they tie core functionality into the presence of a bullshit library being loaded to beat ublock/noscript folks.
[11:50:25] <boru> If those archive sites could scrape and remove the annoying crap, it'd be ideal.
[11:50:58] <boru> That way you can boycott the original site, avoid paying them ad revenue, and not be optically raped by their flashing ads all at the same time.
[11:51:29] * TheMightyBuzzard fires off `export foo=""; for atom in $(find /var/db/pkg/ -mindepth 2 -maxdepth 2 | grep -v 'calculate-sources' | grep -v MERGING | sed 's/\/var\/db\/pkg\//=/'); do export foo="$foo $atom"; done; sudo emerge --oneshot $foo"` on the media server
[11:51:33] <boru> I really hate the web.
[11:51:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, reinstalling every last fucking package
[11:52:20] <Bytram> sorry to hear that... how'd you get bit?
[11:52:22] <boru> Probably could've just removed those greps and sed with awk.
[11:52:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, dunno
[11:52:30] <Bytram> boru++
[11:52:30] <Bender> karma - boru: 15
[11:52:48] <boru> What happened that you need to reinstall everything?
[11:52:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, prolly but verbosity is okay for the sake of laziness
[11:53:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> rootkitted
[11:53:10] <boru> No love for awk.
[11:53:14] <boru> Ugh, by what?
[11:53:17] <Bytram> awk++
[11:53:17] <Bender> karma - awk: 8
[11:53:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ebury rootkit. not sure how it got in either.
[11:54:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not a difficult one to get rid of, thankfully.
[11:54:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> really it's more a trojan than a rootkit
[11:54:47] <boru> Unless they've compromised your toolchain, or your CA and installed their own cert and are ARP poisoning you.
[11:55:01] <Bytram> well, there's at least that -- much less of a problem, then. though still a royal PITA, I'm sure
[11:55:18] <boru> What you think are portage sources, are actually hax!
[11:55:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> from a bootable usb drive with / mounted as /damnit and chrooted into?
[11:56:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> bin dirs bind mounted into /damnit for clean executables
[11:56:58] * boru nods.
[11:57:07] <boru> You'd definitely not want to be using a toolchain from a compromised machine.
[11:57:34] <boru> Got a spare machine to run snort on?
[11:57:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a bunch of setup but once you've got that done it's easy peasy to replace every package installed on the thing with a clean one.
[11:58:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> could yeah. you can see the bloody thing if it exists though. it hides badly.
[11:58:20] <boru> Aye, I just keep snapshots of jails.
[11:58:26] <boru> When one's misbehaving, I just replace it.
[11:58:32] <Bytram> at least it wants you to *think* that
[11:58:37] <boru> Not that it's happened in a long ti,e.
[11:58:41] <boru> Time, even.
[11:58:43] <Bytram> lol
[11:58:57] <Bytram> looks like bot exec AND upstart are on hiatus
[11:59:07] <boru> Probably owned.
[11:59:13] <boru> They're written in PHP, right?
[11:59:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> well its cnc port shows up in netstat -ntpl as the only port besides NFS what doesn't have an owning process.
[12:00:16] * AndyTheAbsurd wonders if he should stick a copy of his bot into the channel
[12:00:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> well exec is KINDA written in PHP. really it's a php stub that fires off external scripts and does stuff with the output.
[12:00:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, yes. and in #fite so we can have another one to kill for levels.
[12:00:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> anybody familiar with btrfs, ZFS on Linux, or other options for data mirroring across multiple drives under Linux?
[12:00:58] <boru> I could bring borubot, for all of your astronomical needs.
[12:01:02] <boru> Not much else, though...
[12:01:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> GOTTA have a bot in here if you're capable of writing one. it's tradition.
[12:01:22] <boru> As in RAID-ZX?
[12:01:44] <boru> Mine just does astronomical calculations and DB lookups.
[12:01:52] <boru> Not really useful for SN, I should think.
[12:01:56] <Bytram> phase of the moon?
[12:02:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, know btrfs has had data corruption issues with raid since it was created. i see no reason to ever use it outside a vm you're using to develop the btrfs kernel modules.
[12:03:40] <boru> Pft, not just phase of the moon! Libration, days to apogee, perigee, tidal force, retroreflector availability, terminator intersection, RA/Dec, and many more!
[12:03:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, none of the bots are really useful except for submissions and bender handling our rss->irc/twitter/facebook
[12:03:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> I've got two new 4TB drives to install in my desktop in the next few days; the only firm decision that I've made is "I should really mirror data across the drives in a way that lets me recover if one drive fails"
[12:03:44] <boru> And that's just for the moon.
[12:04:03] <SoyCow7267> tmb - no need for awk, sed will do that happily
[12:04:29] <boru> Get more drives and do RAID-Z3!
[12:04:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, can it tell me what time UTC that fancy schmancy solar eclipse is gonna cross a specific town in TN?
[12:04:42] <boru> No need for awk, pft.
[12:05:17] <Bytram> SoyCow7267: no need for sed, awk will do that happily
[12:05:20] <boru> Well, it did plot solar system object occlusions across the planetary disc, not just Sol, so yes, it could!
[12:05:23] <Bytram> =)
[12:05:43] <boru> I should resurrect it, some day.
[12:05:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, meh, software raid it and use ext4 if you're looking for ease of use rather than performance.
[12:06:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> or go zfs if you're just wanting to play with something new.
[12:07:08] <boru> I like ZFS for important data, UFS for everything else.
[12:07:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like ext4. i rarely need fancy schmancy features on the shat i admin nowadays.
[12:08:34] <boru> Fair enough. ZFS ain't that fancy; snapshots, transparent compression/crypto/trim is nice and all, but it's RAM heavy.
[12:08:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt sometimes you get the bear sam elliot
[12:08:47] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[12:09:02] <boru> UFS does just fine for my daily workhorses, RAID-Z3 on my NAS.
[12:09:07] <Bytram> from what I heard, though, ZFS is best with ECC (I dare say mandatory) and with lots of RAM
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[12:09:19] <Bytram> Ars technica just had an article on it recently, IIRC
[12:09:23] <boru> I'll probably roll out ZFS on my new arm64 server, though.
[12:09:31] <boru> Aye, it needs lots of RAM.
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[12:09:40] <Bytram> and, with that, I really need to get ready for work... back in a biyt.
[12:09:40] <boru> Plus Oracle tend to lag features with the OSS version.
[12:10:21] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[12:10:58] <boru> Was it them or Yahoo who pleaded with people to stop attacking their software?
[12:10:59] <boru> One of them, anyway.
[12:11:10] <boru> I miss Sun Microsystems.
[12:11:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least i'm using Calculate and get to emerge mostly binaries instead of having to rebuild every package from source like i would without a BINHOST on Gentoo, thank Odin
[12:11:49] <SoyCow7267_> fsking crashing firefux
[12:11:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, good ole sun
[12:12:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what you get for thinking a phone is a computer =P
[12:12:18] <boru> Come to the BSD darkside, TMB. You know you want to.
[12:12:30] <boru> tmb++
[12:12:30] <Bender> karma - tmb: 8
[12:12:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> really, really don't
[12:12:40] <boru> ...he lied.
[12:13:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm old and don't like learning entire new operating systems (well trying to remember 25 year old knowledge about them) anymore
[12:13:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, no, 20yo
[12:14:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i member building a freebsd box back in like 97||98
[12:15:05] <boru> It's come a long way since then, but it's still the unix-like you know and love.
[12:15:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> SoyCow7267_, have you looked into the possibility of installing Mer on that phone? it's a forked and updated version of Meego
[12:15:24] <boru> Anyway, I'll stfu; I sound like a fanboi.,
[12:15:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> you are a fanboi but that's fine. no more a fanboi than i am for non-systemd-linux
[12:16:14] <boru> Pft!
[12:17:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey, have we ran a 13th Dr. is a Chick story yet?
[12:21:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, sunday looks like. i was busy driving.
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[12:24:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, i'm still not as butthurt about getting a rootkit on my home server as i am about getting systemd in arch.
[12:24:27] <boru> Hasn't arch adopted systemd since the beginning?
[12:24:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep
[12:25:00] <boru> I wonder how long Pat will keep it out of Slack.
[12:25:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i used it for a while afterwards even just so i could figure out if i hated it or not.
[12:25:24] <boru> Commendable.
[12:26:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, openrc is around as well as a lot of work by the gentoo folks to make most everything play nicely without systemd. he could manage it for quite some time if he wanted.
[12:26:39] <boru> I sure hope so.
[12:27:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really can't go back to not having a competent package manager though. i HATE tarballs nowadays. updating a tarball install is the shits and removing one is even worse.
[12:31:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[12:31:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[12:31:48] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 431
[12:34:51] <Bytram> okay, time for me to go.... have a GREAT day everyone!
[12:36:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FBI Warns Parents to be Wary of "Smart Toys" - http://sylnt.us - telescreens-for-all
[12:46:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> The only item that has had "smart" prepended to it that I think is *actually* smart is smart phones.
[12:46:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> Smart TVs are bullshit.
[12:47:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> Smart thermostats don't have to be bullshit, but all the ones I've looked at are.
[12:47:55] <AndyTheAbsurd> And Smart cars are too tiny to drive in the US where you have to share the road with distracted moms in minivans and tipsy semi drivers, and therefore bullshit.
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[14:06:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Blue Apron Hits All-Time Low as Amazon Suggests It Will Get Into the Meal-Kit Business - http://sylnt.us - food-for-thought
[15:37:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Toshiba Develops 512 GB and 1 TB Flash Chips Using TSV - http://sylnt.us - quite-a-bit-of-an-improvement
[16:26:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - President Trump's Plan: a Wall You Can See Through - http://sylnt.us - see-through-or-imaginary?
[17:16:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Yet Another Sign Language Glove - http://sylnt.us - different-strokes-for-different-folks
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[18:55:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Building a Digital Music Box - http://sylnt.us - whatever-it-takes
[20:36:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Avast Acquires Piriform, Makers of CCleaner - http://sylnt.us - uncertain-future
[20:54:21] <Bytram> #submit https://arstechnica.com So the real question becomes how DO they plan to land it?
[20:54:24] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[20:54:49] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
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[21:29:17] <Bytram> #submit https://www.sciencedaily.com Shake things up for improved muscle health and overall strength.
[21:29:17] <MrPlow> Unable to find a title for that page
[21:33:32] <Bytram> #submit https://threatpost.com
[21:33:32] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[21:33:58] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[21:36:22] <chromas> teehee
[21:36:33] <chromas> "But so can’t any other certificate authority."
[21:41:55] <Bytram> but how many wildcard certificates do other authorities release vs what LE can/will distribute? It is not so much a matter of *ability* as it is a matter of *scale* that exacerbates an already existing situation.
[21:42:05] <Bytram> and, with that, I needs to be getting ready for the evening.
[21:42:07] <Bytram> laters!
[21:44:08] <chromas> Whatever happened to web of trust?
[22:07:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Supreme Court Rules that Man Innocent of "Child Sexual Grooming" Can Not Remain Anonymous - http://sylnt.us - can-he-hide-it-from-search-engines?
[23:46:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook is Going to Let Publishers Start Charging Readers to View Stories this Autumn - http://sylnt.us - if-you-pay-for-it,-are-you-no-longer-the-product?
[23:50:04] <chromas> from the lead-balloon dept