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[01:17:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Stack Clash Flaws Blow Local Root Holes in Loads of Top Linux Programs - http://sylnt.us - will-we-ever-learn
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[01:34:50] <exec> welcome n1: Montevideo, Montevideo Department, Uruguay, 8°C/46°F, 10:34 pm GMT-3, Tuesday, 20 June 2017
[01:53:56] <Deucalion> ~weather
[01:53:58] <exec> 10London, UK - currently 63°F / 17°C, clear, wind E at 6 mph, humidity 86% - Tuesday clear with periodic clouds (62°F:87°F / 17°C:31°C), Wednesday partly cloudy (65°F:93°F / 18°C:34°C), Thursday scattered thunderstorms (59°F:80°F / 15°C:27°C), Friday partly cloudy (62°F:76°F / 17°C:24°C)
[01:57:19] <Bytram> Deucalion: looks a little bit 'sticky' for ya, humidity-wise
[01:57:27] <Bytram> ~weather presq
[01:57:29] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 65°F, clear with periodic clouds, wind SW at 6 mph, humidity 74% - Tuesday clear with periodic clouds (57°F:73°F), Wednesday thunderstorm (51°F:73°F), Thursday partly cloudy (53°F:74°F), Friday rain (60°F:72°F)
[01:57:34] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[01:57:35] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 72°F, clear, wind SW at 7 mph, humidity 55% - Tuesday clear with periodic clouds (60°F:75°F), Wednesday mostly sunny (57°F:80°F), Thursday sunny (61°F:80°F), Friday scattered thunderstorms (66°F:75°F)
[01:57:39] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[01:57:40] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 77°F, clear, wind SW at 9 mph, humidity 52% - Tuesday clear (65°F:85°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (63°F:83°F), Thursday sunny (66°F:83°F), Friday mostly sunny (72°F:88°F)
[01:57:49] <Bytram> ~weather baltimore
[01:57:51] <exec> 10Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 80°F, mostly cloudy, wind S at 7 mph, humidity 62% - Tuesday partly cloudy (71°F:88°F), Wednesday mostly sunny (71°F:89°F), Thursday partly cloudy (78°F:92°F), Friday scattered thunderstorms (77°F:88°F)
[01:57:53] <Bytram> ~weather miami
[01:57:55] <exec> 10Miami, FL, USA - currently 82°F, partly cloudy, wind E at 12 mph, humidity 83% - Tuesday thunderstorm (79°F:86°F), Wednesday scattered thunderstorms (79°F:86°F), Thursday mostly sunny (79°F:87°F), Friday mostly sunny (79°F:87°F)
[02:35:33] <n1> FatPhil, https://www.theguardian.com
[02:35:34] <upstart> ^ 03Theresa May under pressure as DUP says: ‘Show some respect’ | Politics | The Guardian
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[02:55:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How to Grow a Structure Using 'Mushroom Sausages' - http://sylnt.us - eating-our-own-house
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[03:17:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Stack Clash Flaws Blow Local Root Holes in Loads of Top Linux Programs [Updated] - http://sylnt.us - will-we-ever-learn
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[03:20:17] <SoyCow2804> afternoon
[03:20:42] <SoyCow2804> site appeared to be down. Not appears to be fixed
[03:20:43] <SoyCow2804> never mind
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[03:22:14] <n1> temporary blockage in the internet tube
[03:25:11] <SoyCow2804> probably a larger upper case character got stuck
[03:26:30] <n1> yeah, sharper edges, sometimes you just have to give it a shake and it frees them up
[03:26:56] <SoyCow2804> W should really be two letters. I told them it would cause problems.
[03:28:06] <n1> thats what we get for using lead tubes
[03:33:19] <SoyCow2804> That explains it then. Thanks for your time.
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[04:26:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Developing a New Balance for the New Kilogram - http://sylnt.us - worth-the-weight^Wwait
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[07:57:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - EFF Publishes AI Progress Metrics as Open Source Notebook - http://sylnt.us - welcoming-our-robotic-overlords
[09:26:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Self-driving Car Driver Ignored Multiple Warnings - http://sylnt.us - More-of-a-passenger-than-a-driver
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[10:43:18] <Bytram> https://www.google.com!3m1!1e3
[10:43:19] <upstart> ^ 03Google Maps
[11:16:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Taking New Steps to Fight Terror Online - http://sylnt.us - google-goes-to-war
[11:18:15] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:18:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3498
[11:18:17] <Bytram> !uid
[11:18:17] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6625, owned by centerprism
[11:19:10] <Bytram> whereto? http://nautil.us
[11:19:11] <upstart> ^ 03How Japanese Floating Illusions Reverse-Engineer What We See - Facts So Romantic - Nautilus ( http://nautil.us )
[11:19:30] * boru grumbles.
[11:19:45] <Bytram> #submit http://nautil.us Don't believe everything you see
[11:19:46] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[11:19:54] <boru> It irks me that people apply 'reverse engineer' to so many things these days. It's becoming a buzz phrase.
[11:20:11] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[11:20:23] <Bytram> I read the story... in this case it is actually apropos, IMHO, of course.
[11:20:32] <Bytram> http://araiweb.matrix.jp
[11:21:01] <Bytram> That said, I agree with your general assessment that the phrase IS overused.
[11:21:05] <boru> It deviates from the original intent; there is no engineering involved in the human visual cortex.
[11:22:16] <Bytram> in so much as there was no architect to design the process, I concur, but...
[11:22:24] <boru> That said, September seems to have finally arrived to the reversing community, so it's hardly surprising, I suppose.
[11:22:49] <Bytram> understanding the processes that follow from light hitting the eye and how we perceive it, and then
[11:23:00] <Bytram> making changes in input images to manipulate the perception...
[11:23:07] <Bytram> what would you call it?
[11:23:47] <Bytram> not the result, mind, but the process by which they came up with a mathematical approach to apply this to an input image.
[11:23:48] <boru> The scientific method? Optical experiments?
[11:24:16] <Bytram> to discover what factors come into play, maybe
[11:24:37] <Bytram> but dereferencing from the details of any particular image, and
[11:24:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bytram: "making changes in input images to manipulate the perception" = "creating optical illusions"
[11:24:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:24:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3499
[11:24:54] <boru> Good idea.
[11:24:56] <boru> coffee++
[11:24:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3500
[11:25:18] <Bytram> boru: and you reached the magic 3500 level -- you get to have a cup of decaf!
[11:25:25] <boru> You monster.
[11:25:26] <Bytram> ;)
[11:26:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> no decaf for me today. kidneys have finally relented and allowed me to drink more than two cups of real coffee.
[11:26:10] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: could that description not also apply to performing random modifications to input images and then just selecting those which seem to exhibit the desired properties?
[11:26:38] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah, but just how big are your coffee cups?
[11:26:52] * Bytram looks over to his insulated 20oz mug.
[11:27:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> itty bitty lately.
[11:27:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> normally 30oz
[11:27:21] * Bytram chuckles
[11:27:45] <boru> That's what, two cans of coke? Or are those 12 oz?
[11:28:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey, when ya got a 30oz yeti cup that keeps coffee hot overnight if necessary, you use it.
[11:28:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> 12oz
[11:28:10] * boru nods.
[11:28:24] <Bytram> here's one of my all-time favorites: http://www.gocomics.com
[11:28:25] <upstart> ^ 03Adam@Home by Rob Harrell for Jan 31, 2006 | Read Comic Strips at GoComics.com
[11:28:33] <boru> Overnight coffee can't be very nice.
[11:28:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> 30oz is 2oz shy of a quart
[11:29:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's peachy if you don't keep it on the burner. doesn't burn.
[11:29:04] <boru> Aye, I'd have to kldload `units-extra.ko` for those calculations.
[11:29:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> found that out when i accidentally made a pot at night instead of telling it to start brewing at 4:45 the next morning.
[11:30:04] * boru chuckles.
[11:30:48] <boru> USA has all of these exotic luxuries; coffee pots with timers, what a wonderful idea.
[11:30:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> filled my cup and two thermoses and it was still hot when i got up 8h later
[11:31:26] <boru> What'd you reckon the odds of acquiring a H1b over there these days?
[11:31:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> man you have no idea. it's not as good as getting woke up by a blowjob from a hot chick but better than getting woke up by one from a fat, ugly chick
[11:32:19] <Bytram> boru: you're about 6 months too late, sorry.
[11:32:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> last i heard, slim to none even if you already work for the company and it would just be a transfer.
[11:32:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> and that was last year
[11:32:42] <boru> Feck.
[11:32:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> might be easier from ireland than brazil though
[11:33:10] <boru> Aye, I'd probably process my application from .ie rather than .uk
[11:33:15] <Bytram> people submit applications, there's a drawing, and that's it for the year -- horribly over-subscribed, too. Not certain what the actual date/deadline is.
[11:33:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> could go for a regular work visa instead of an h1b
[11:33:38] <boru> Well, there's the GC lottery which is booked out til 2020 or some such.
[11:33:39] <Bytram> ~g H1-B lottery
[11:33:41] <exec> [google] https://redbus2us.com
[11:33:51] <boru> H1b on the other hand isn't handled the same way, AIUI.
[11:34:19] <Bytram> break time
[11:36:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> unfortunately, for all the good things here, we're sadly lacking in pubs. plenty of bars but that's a decidedly different beastie.
[11:36:43] <Bytram> https://guidovranken.wordpress.com
[11:36:43] <upstart> ^ 03The OpenVPN post-audit bug bonanza – Guido Vranken
[11:37:40] <boru> Anywhere they serve whiskey and your arse is warm is a pub to me.
[11:37:54] <boru> Though I suspect finding one without televisions or music would be tough.
[11:38:06] <Bytram> on second thought, I woke up way too early, and have the late shift tonight... think I'm gonna head back to bed.
[11:38:25] <boru> Seems reasonable. Catch you later, man.
[11:38:30] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:40:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, round these parts anyway it's either a sports bar or a music playing bar. unless you feel like hitting a dive bar and getting killed to death for having the gall to be born without enough melanin in your skin cells.
[11:42:13] <boru> Ah sure, I'm always willing to share Irish boxing culture with the boys at the bar.
[11:42:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i hear you can find em in the really big cities but they're likely to be full of hipsters if you do.
[11:43:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> being a punk from many years back i've no objection to a bit of fisticuffs, it's more the knives and guns that keep me out of certain bars.
[11:44:02] <boru> No such thing as an honest straightener out there, then?
[11:44:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh sure. that's pretty much the standard in rural areas. bad neighborhoods of cities though you just stay the fuck out of if you need sunscreen in the summer.
[11:45:04] * boru chuckles.
[11:45:07] <boru> Duly noted.
[11:45:57] <boru> After watching the documentary about life in Kentucky, Justified, I'd probably go looking for a decent bluegrass joint up some holler somewhere.
[11:46:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't even go in em cause i got more of my german mom's coloring than my feather not dot indian dad's.
[11:47:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. rednecks and hillbillies and cowboys you'll get along with just fine, though their fascination with guns will seem a bit odd.
[11:47:33] <boru> No problems, there.
[11:49:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... i wonder how a proper pub would go over around here. could be a good business venture.
[11:50:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> especially if you put it near a fishing hole. nobody likes to drink and swap lies like fishermen.
[11:53:02] <boru> I'd say that if you do a good beer and whiskey, you'd do well with it anywhere.
[11:54:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> plenty of good whiskey in tennessee but picking a few good beers to have on tap as well as some diet piss water (bud light and such) would be the hard part
[11:55:35] <boru> What's the cask scene like out there? Could do a rolling stable of beers, with a few regulars.
[11:55:51] <boru> I wouldn't even stock that light stuff.
[11:56:06] <boru> Probably too hot out there to drink ale, though.
[11:56:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, there are about 50M different craft beers that're produced domestically since the boom in the 90s. most folks drink the piss water big brands though.
[11:57:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, i snob on the big name domestics here but it's hard to beat a lightly flavored pilsner when it's hot as fuck and you've been working outside.
[11:58:03] <boru> No market for cider out there?
[11:58:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> not a big one but i do make it myself
[11:58:21] * boru nods.
[11:58:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> of the non-bubbly variety, mind you.
[11:58:45] <boru> Aye, as it should be.
[11:58:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> just alcoholic, not carbonated.
[11:58:56] <boru> Dead on.
[11:59:11] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[11:59:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> trying to remember what percent alcohol my standard yeast is good to. ~19% before it stalls i think.
[12:01:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> last batch i didn't use as much sugar as usual and it ended up utterly and completely dry at around 17% ABV
[12:03:20] <boru> Do you make much of it?
[12:03:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://opensource.com Guy had a few ideas I hadn't thought of yet. You lot care to add any of the tools you use to the list?
[12:04:00] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[12:04:25] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[12:04:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> usually i make a 6gal batch a year. didn't make any last year though.
[12:05:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> TN state law says you're fine up to 300gal i believe, so i'm in no danger of needing a license.
[12:08:37] <boru> Ah, nice. 300 is fairly lax.
[12:09:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it's so you can get some serious practice in before you go professional i think.
[12:09:33] <boru> Seems reasonable.
[12:11:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> used to be illegal in most states entirely, beer and whiskey as well. changed rapidly all around the country in the 90s though. now you can get started in craft beer/wine/cider with a pretty minimal investment.
[12:13:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[12:13:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[12:13:42] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 422
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[12:48:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Electric Vehicle Drivers: Do You Lend Out Your Charging Stations? - http://sylnt.us - thousands-of-hamsters-in-wheels
[13:24:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.techdirt.com cock-biting-fucktards dept.
[13:24:01] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[13:24:27] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[13:27:25] * chromas wonders if cock biter is related to rock biter
[13:31:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, found a story called why you should play video games but it sucked
[13:32:42] <chromas> Submit it and write a good, unrelated summary. Then we can bitch about clickbait and "who keeps letting tmb farticles through?"
[13:33:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> you lot bitch about that plenty already
[13:34:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.rt.com Subbed because volcanoes are cool not because I'm askeert Yellowstone is going to blow any minute now.
[13:34:55] <MrPlow> Unable to find a title for that page
[13:35:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> odd
[13:35:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> #reloadregexes
[13:35:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.rt.com Subbed because volcanoes are cool not because I'm askeert Yellowstone is going to blow any minute now.
[13:35:29] <MrPlow> Unable to find a title for that page
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[13:36:51] <exec> welcome n1: Montevideo, Montevideo Department, Uruguay, 11°C/51°F, 10:36 am GMT-3, Wednesday, 21 June 2017
[13:37:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.rt.com Subbed because volcanoes are cool not because I'm askeert Yellowstone is going to blow any minute now.
[13:37:01] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[13:37:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> missed the last /
[13:37:21] <chromas> lol, it err'd 'cause of that?
[13:37:27] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[13:37:32] <chromas> websites--
[13:37:32] <Bender> karma - websites: -1
[13:37:46] <chromas> hm, it works with curl though
[13:38:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> didn't for me until i put the / on the end of it
[13:38:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> maybe you got curl set to follow redirects or something
[13:40:44] <chromas> I did with -L parameter, but even without it I get a "<title>301 Moved Permanently</title>"
[13:41:04] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[13:41:32] * chromas sneaks -L into MrPlow
[13:41:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, maybe i told it to only check if the return type were 200
[13:42:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> using libcurl not curl. it'd take lots more coding.
[13:44:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit http://linuxgizmos.com So, which if any credit-card-sized computers are you lot playing around with?
[13:44:15] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[13:44:40] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[13:45:25] <chromas> "CURLOPT_FOLLOWLOCATION"
[13:48:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh. that's too many letters to type.
[13:49:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> and all caps too. they expect me to strain a pinky holding down the shift key that long?
[13:49:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> someone should invent a cruise control for shift
[13:51:30] <chromas> They did; it's called copy/paste
[13:51:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.ghacks.net I'm inclined to agree lately, fork a bunch of mozilla.
[13:51:35] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[13:52:01] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[13:52:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> why would i want to copy paste? it's just a white blob.
[13:52:36] <chromas> from the embracing-diversity dept
[13:54:44] <chromas> #smake that author for using a screenshot of chrome in a firefox/palemoon article
[13:54:44] * MrPlow smakes that author for using a screenshot of chrome in a firefox/palemoon article upside the head with vegemite
[13:55:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, i figured out how to hax0r exec
[13:55:57] <chromas> Dew it
[13:55:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday ya fuckers
[13:56:01] * exec clumsily pits a dumpster of estrogen against ya fuckers
[13:56:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> as opposed to...
[13:56:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday ya fuckers
[13:56:26] * exec casually fires a used franger of lua scripts at ya
[13:56:38] <chromas> nbsp?
[13:56:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> gnawed gnawed
[13:57:33] <chromas> I wonder what other special characters you could sneak in there to cause trouble
[13:58:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno, prolly all of em knowin crutchy
[13:58:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday foobar
[13:58:42] * exec diarrhetically prepares a heap of red cordial for foobar
[13:58:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, guess hexchat strips rtl marks
[13:59:06] <chromas> ~gday test ␍part #Soylent
[13:59:08] * exec homogeneously liberates an alternative view of pull-ups from test
[14:00:26] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[14:00:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> wish i remembered how to do macros
[14:01:52] <chromas> oops, I pasted the unichode symbol instead of the actual character
[14:02:01] <chromas> gesturectl start shurring
[14:04:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll start the linux boxes round here updating and hit the xbox while they get their compile on. (new mesa and new kernel)
[14:04:43] <chromas> What's the game of the week?
[14:05:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> debating on that
[14:05:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> either more assassin's creed 4 or rocksmith
[14:05:52] * chromas only played a little ac4
[14:05:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> very slowly starting to not suck at playing blitzkrieg bop
[14:06:05] <chromas> the lack of knife's kinda gay
[14:06:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> rocksmith's guitar hero with an actual guitar
[14:06:56] <chromas> Sounds like effort
[14:07:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but i'm tricking myself into thinking it's a game, so don't tell me i'm actually being productive or i might stop
[14:10:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> damned thing keeps trying to make me try a variety of songs for the breadth of experience but i don't need experience at sucking ass at playing guitar. i've already mastered that.
[14:11:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> so i'm playin the same song till i don't suck at it THEN learnin another.
[14:14:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a ramones song so it's got three chords, all of which are damned easy and use the same two fingers. alls i gotta do is abuse my fingers till they get with the program and switch from one to another faster then work on strumming the right strings.
[14:15:09] <chromas> Just play whatever your fingers hit and say it's aphex twin
[14:15:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Uber Founder Travis Kalanick Resigns as C.E.O. - http://sylnt.us - bye-bye
[14:15:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> well the idea is to be able to play something i wanna listen to, so that's out
[14:17:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually the idea is more to be able to beat the roomie's kid's score on it but i don't wanna offend my ears either.
[14:18:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> roomie himself been on a blues playin kick lately. gettin quite good for being not very old and not very black.
[14:18:51] <chromas> well if he was black he wouldn't need to practise
[14:20:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. plus he makes way too much money.
[14:20:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> only thing he got going in his favor blues-wise is a mean-ass ex-wife
[14:21:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt mean woman blues
[14:21:06] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
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[20:06:15] <n1> https://www.youtube.com
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[20:10:20] <boru> A friend of mine left a few botles of brewdog beer here in my fridge. How the bloody hell people drink and enjoy this stuff is beyond me.
[20:12:04] <boru> It's 'American' red ale, apparently. I should think that if you gave this to an American, they'd throw it back at you.
[20:12:23] <n1> stop being friends with hipsters
[20:12:35] <boru> Aye, they're a bit of a bellend, alright.
[20:12:53] <n1> isnt brewdog a uk company?
[20:12:57] <boru> Supposedly.
[20:13:21] <n1> maybe they just tried to make a bad beer, thinking americans would go for it
[20:13:40] <n1> that's what i'd do, as a person of british 'heritage'
[20:13:41] <boru> Well, that would make sense, since all of their beers are dreadful.
[20:13:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> was it as bad as having your mouth all set for a cool, refreshing pilsner and getting a dopplebock by accident?
[20:13:58] <boru> Their stout especially.
[20:14:03] <n1> i don't think ive ever had one
[20:14:12] * boru chuckles.
[20:14:58] <boru> I'll send them a strongly worded privmsg. They drank my beer, they smoked my cigars, and they left this shite in my fridge. Poor form, I say.
[20:15:05] * TheMightyBuzzard did that a couple weeks ago after mowing the yard and ended up nearly yacking
[20:15:36] <boru> Well, I came in after mowing the lawn in my formative years gasping with thirst, and pulled what I thought was a jug of milk from the fridge.
[20:15:45] <boru> Three mouthfuls later, I realised it was pancake mix.
[20:15:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh nice
[20:15:54] <boru> That is something you don't soon forget.
[20:17:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> i never make enough pancake mix to store it. i always end up with one more pancake than the household wants and frisbee it outside for the birds.
[20:17:29] <boru> You are a kind, and accurate soul.
[20:17:50] <boru> Do you make those thick bready American pancakes?
[20:17:58] <boru> Or the think crepe-like ones?
[20:18:03] <boru> Err, thin, rather.
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[20:36:37] <boru> #submit https://gcc.gnu.org GDC merged into GCC.
[20:36:38] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[20:36:42] <boru> Boo.
[20:45:02] <chromas> d++
[20:45:02] <Bender> karma - d: 2
[20:45:53] <boru> D is an approximation of what C++ tried, and failed, to be, imho.
[20:47:35] <chromas> I used gdc when I started playing with D a few months ago but dmd gave more informative feedback
[20:47:51] <boru> Aye, it could use some love.
[20:48:05] <boru> Bad parser implementation, imho.
[20:50:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, ya see GCC is getting D support?
[20:51:08] * chromas 's pants tighten
[20:51:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, guess ya did
[20:52:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> was gonna sub it but the first link about it was on phoronix and i woulda had to do it manually cause they're not automated sub friendly
[20:54:16] <boru> I might do a few subs over the next few days; I'll include that if I get the chance.
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[23:07:19] <FatPhil> Wasn't there D support in GCC half a decade or more ago?
[23:08:04] <FatPhil> I did briefly play with D (v1) and I'm sure I used a GNU toolchain
[23:08:05] <chromas> There's gdc but I guess now it's part of the clan
[23:08:22] <chromas> so it was there but third-party
[23:08:41] <FatPhil> what did the "g" in "gdc" stand for?
[23:08:56] <FatPhil> I didn't use the Digital Mars toolchain
[23:09:57] <chromas> it's a frontend for gcc but it wasn't officially part of it
[23:10:33] <chromas> there's also ldc if you like llvm
[23:10:48] <chromas> they all use digital mars code though
[23:12:10] <FatPhil> tha language was quite different in those days, so presumably the compiler engine is too.
[23:12:50] <chromas> Yeah; 2's a rewrite
[23:13:38] <FatPhil> I turned against D when AA started pulling C++ bollox into the language, and I'm positively surprised that he's actually made everything work.
[23:14:16] * chromas hasn't followed the history that much
[23:14:17] <FatPhil> which shows that C++ was a rather messed up.
[23:14:32] <chromas> Now we need D++
[23:14:40] <FatPhil> Nooooo!!!!!!!
[23:15:56] <chromas> or ++C
[23:16:28] <FatPhil> C++ : it has the value of C, but makes it larger
[23:16:28] <Bender> karma - c: 65
[23:16:37] <FatPhil> Bender--
[23:16:37] <Bender> karma - bender: -4
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