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[00:56:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Synestia" Phase of Planetary Formation Simulated - http://sylnt.us - bloody-planets
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[02:26:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Rocket Lab Makes Suborbital Launch From New Zealand - http://sylnt.us - more-the-merrier
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[03:57:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Warship Challenges China's Claims in South China Sea - http://sylnt.us - sabre-rattling
[05:25:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nebula Award Winners Announced - http://sylnt.us - read-'em-and...-beep?
[07:06:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Devuan Stable Release -- at Last! - http://sylnt.us - good-luck
[07:09:11] <Bytram> https://devuan.org
[07:09:13] <upstart> ^ 03Devuan GNU+Linux Free Operating System
[07:49:57] <chromas> ooh, they got a logo
[07:51:30] <chromas> but how do they not have a torrent?
[07:52:39] <boru> Like Debian, they're probably three decades behind. Expect to see bittorrent technology in the project in 2037.
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[08:03:11] * chromas forks devuan but includes systemd
[08:36:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Distro Watch for Ubuntu Lovers: What's Ahead in Linux Land - http://sylnt.us - devuan!
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[08:43:56] <boru> "You won't believe these 10 things coming up in Ubuntu Coprophagic Koala!"
[10:17:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - $500 DJI Spark Drone can Take Off and Land from Your Palm - http://sylnt.us - does-that-make-this-a-palm-pilot?
[10:28:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:28:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3457
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[10:49:51] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v n1] by Aphrodite
[10:49:53] <exec> welcome n1: Montevideo, Montevideo Department, Uruguay, 14°C/57°F, 7:49 am GMT-3, Friday, 26 May 2017
[10:59:25] <Xyem> Good just-about-to-turn-afternoon to you, n1.
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[11:19:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... i'm not feelin the bot coding this morning
[11:22:19] <Xyem> Were you planning on working on MrPlow?
[11:22:43] <Xyem> Also, morning TMB.
[11:23:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, a LOT of refactoring still needs to be done on him and i'm still not entirely sure how i wanna do it.
[11:24:34] <Xyem> Ah yeah, it's in Rust, right?
[11:25:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[11:26:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> moving away from passing way too many arguments to functions for data that really needs to be in an atomic, reference counted mutex
[11:27:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> which means i gotta refactor every function just about.
[11:28:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> man, this "connect your apps" supports every dog-damned newfangled web service you can think of (and probably several dozen more you've never heard of)... but can't send a file via FTP. WTF?
[11:30:20] <Xyem> AndyTheAbsurd: FTP is more than 2 years old.
[11:30:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> So is Dropbox, but they support that.
[11:30:56] <Xyem> FTP is more than 2 years old and isn't a company.
[11:31:36] <Xyem> Perhaps it is a security thing?
[11:31:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> Also, some of the things that they integrate are hard to search the for web to find out what they are. I mean, what do they think is going to happen when I google "Osmosis"?
[11:33:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> When I put in a support request about lack of FTP functionality, I got back a message saying "You're not the only one to ask for FTP support like this! This would require an "FTP by Zapier" tool. Unfortunately, we don't have any plans to implement this quite yet as we have other priorities on our roadmap, but I've gone ahead and added your vote to a standing request for this feature. While I can't say for certain when this will get added I ...
[11:33:18] <Xyem> "osmosis software" is about as vague too. Funtimes.
[11:33:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> ... can promise that we'll let you know as soon as it is!"
[11:34:45] <AndyTheAbsurd> I *really* don't want to connect one of our servers to Dropbox, that just seems like inviting trouble.
[11:39:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> this maybe? https://www.programmableweb.com
[11:39:10] <upstart> ^ 03Osmosis API | ProgrammableWeb
[11:39:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> the google-fu is strong with me
[11:39:52] <AndyTheAbsurd> yeah, that's probably it - that looks like the same logo
[11:42:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> reminds me of the Ishihara test patterns for colorblindness
[11:43:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> most of which I fail at because I have anonalous trichromacy
[11:43:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> (I see colors, but not the same way as most people)
[11:45:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Vermont Recreational Cannabis Bill Vetoed with Changes Recommended - http://sylnt.us - up-in-smoke
[11:50:37] <FatPhil> Up the anomalous dichromats! Trichromats suck!
[12:04:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> yays! down to 36 compile errors!
[12:05:18] <boru> What're you building?
[12:05:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrPlow
[12:05:34] <boru> Ah. Still in Rust?
[12:05:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, refactoring most of his code
[12:06:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> taking advantage of all the stuff i learned since picking up rust to make his code suck less noob ass.
[12:08:49] <boru> Is the source up anywhere? Wouldn't mind having a look at some decent Rust code, which might motivate me to take a look at it again.
[12:10:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> only the 0.1.0 source which is what is running now. haven't pushed the 0.2.0 code up cause it don't compile yet.
[12:11:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://github.com is where it'll be when i get done with it.
[12:11:22] <upstart> ^ 03GitHub - TheMightyBuzzard/RustBot: The third iteration of MrPlow on irc.SoylentNews.org, written in Rust. Version one was perl and took up too much ram. Version two was C and corrupted too much ram.
[12:11:43] <boru> Smashing. Thanks.
[12:13:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> 0.1.0 has massive amounts of unnecessary memory duplication and functions that take way too many args.
[12:14:27] <boru> I'll diff when you push to grok the improvements. I haven't touched Rust again since the early days when the compiler would segfault, so it'd be nice to take a look again now that it's matured.
[12:16:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh it still ain't mature. i've already had to send one patch in for noobass mistakes in the underlying irc library and i need to send another in still.
[12:17:01] <boru> You might say you're...galvanising it.
[12:17:13] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
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[12:26:50] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:26:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3458
[12:26:55] <Bytram> !uid
[12:26:55] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6608, owned by hotsushi
[12:27:02] <Bytram> ahhh, a new one!
[12:27:05] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[12:27:07] <upstart> ^ 03How to build your own VPN if you’re (rightfully) wary of commercial options | Ars Technica
[12:27:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> building your own vpn makes it dead easy to trace it back to you unless you share it with others.
[12:28:57] <Bytram> there has to be a connection from you to the VPN, and from the VPN to the destination... connect the dots -- or she with lots of other folks == TOR
[12:29:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, a shared vpn server would be fine. no need to go the mess that is TOR
[12:30:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> but if only you ever get to log in to a vpn server and they sniff the vpn server's traffic, you're busted.
[12:30:51] <Bytram> so now you are saying it *would* work?
[12:31:02] * Bytram is confused and undercaffienated
[12:31:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> seems like TheMightyBuzzard is saying it would work right up until the point that somebody bothered to investigate.
[12:32:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm saying an unshared vpn server is roughly the same as not using a vpn at all
[12:33:11] <Bytram> so, set it up and share it with 10 or 100 of your closest friends?
[12:33:34] <Bytram> and hope nobody is a hog and exceeds your bandwidth cap.
[12:33:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. preferably ones that only use facebook and gmail.
[12:34:06] <Bytram> nah, you wants 'em to use other stuff, too, o/w your traffic sticks out like a sore thumb
[12:34:13] <Bytram> right?
[12:34:31] <Bytram> but you do NOT want em running all over the likes of TPB, etc
[12:34:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope. unless they seize the server they can't tell what's being routed to who.
[12:34:59] <Bytram> dns requests coming out of the box, no?
[12:35:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure
[12:35:25] <Bytram> seems like it would be worth submitting as a story... got a lot of discussion right off the bat here!
[12:36:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ideally though you want enough people on a vpn server to mask quantity as well.
[12:36:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> If you're willing to use a SOCKS5 proxy instead of a VPN, Firefox has an option to route DNS over the proxy as well.
[12:36:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:36:50] <Bytram> be carful what you use to implement the VPN, though:
[12:36:50] <Bytram> https://www.theregister.co.uk
[12:36:53] <upstart> ^ 03Last week: 'OpenVPN client is secure!'This week: 'Unpatched bug in OpenVPN server' • The Register
[12:37:23] <AndyTheAbsurd> And with the FoxyProxy extension, you can actually proxy only SOME sites, or run multiple proxies and switch between them easily.
[12:37:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's always gonna be bugs but openvpn is the most trustworthy vpn software out there.
[12:38:33] <Bytram> at least it is open, so autditing and self-repair/patching is *possible* vs proprietary options.
[12:38:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i can't be arsed to have a complex proxy system set up that only works with some of my traffic
[12:38:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[12:38:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[12:38:56] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 409
[12:39:18] <Bytram> and Ineeds to get ready for work...
[12:39:19] <Bytram> laters
[12:39:42] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[12:39:44] <upstart> ^ 03During a hospital stay, all microbial hell breaks loose on you and the walls | Ars Technica
[12:39:48] <Bytram> this time for sure!
[12:49:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, down to 32 errors and time for some breakfast n vidya
[13:17:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Massive DNA Collection Campaign in Xinjiang, China - http://sylnt.us - what-comes-next?
[14:58:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why American Workers Now Dress So Casually - http://sylnt.us - optional-nerd-glasses
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[15:12:59] <exec> welcome mechanicjay: Seattle, WA, USA, 14°C/57°F, 8:12 am GMT-7, Friday, 26 May 2017
[15:12:59] <exec> welcome mechanicjay: Seattle, WA, USA, 14°C/57°F, 8:12 am GMT-7, Friday, 26 May 2017
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[16:27:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Duterte Declares Martial Law in Southern Philippines - http://sylnt.us
[17:34:07] <mechanicjay> damnit -- I was clever when I wrote this date math checking routing last week. I must have gotten dumber in the last week.
[17:56:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amazon Books Opens in New York City - http://sylnt.us - "bound"-to-happen-someday
[18:32:13] <Xyem> Would anyone have any suggestions for an IRC network a group of my friends can make a channel on and hang out in?
[18:32:58] <mechanicjay> freenode is kind the big one
[18:34:29] <Xyem> Are they okay with just casual hangout? I thought that was for open source projects..
[18:37:50] <mechanicjay> lots of projects have channels there, but it's not specific for that.
[18:38:08] * mechanicjay has a ##KnightRider channel that no one ever joins into.
[18:44:48] <Xyem> I'll pass that on, thanks.
[19:02:42] <mechanicjay> lol, fine.
[19:12:26] <Xyem> or did you want me to get them to all join ##KnightRider? :)
[19:13:34] <mechanicjay> haha, no I set it up a while ago when folks on the Knight Rider online forum were like, we should have a chat!
[19:13:42] <mechanicjay> and I was like, freenode!
[19:13:57] <mechanicjay> and some other people were like "stupid hipster chat programs!"
[19:14:04] <mechanicjay> and ultimately nothing went anywhere.
[19:15:03] <mechanicjay> Knight Rider. A Shadowy flight into the dangerous world of a man, who does not exist.
[19:34:26] <Xyem> ##KnightRider. A shadowy /connect into the /idle world of a #chan, which does not /identify.
[19:34:35] * Xyem cues the music
[19:36:29] <Xyem> https://www.youtube.com
[19:36:30] <upstart> ^ 03Knight Rider Theme Song (Intro Instrumental/Original) - Stu Phillips - YouTube
[19:36:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Windows 10 China Government Edition Launched - http://sylnt.us - all-your-base
[19:37:40] <mechanicjay> haha, nice
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[21:06:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Can the Government Keep Secrets in the Age of WikiLeaks and Shadow Brokers? - http://sylnt.us - see-what-I-did-there?
[21:17:06] <charon_> does-a-betteridge-shit-in-the-woods?
[22:30:04] <chromas> Could the government keep secrets before the age of wikileaks and shadow brokers?
[22:30:08] <chromas> Sometimes.
[22:32:06] <chromas> We all knew about the hollow moon, time cube and nasa's fisheye view of the flat earth centuries before they even existed
[22:37:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Vermont DMV Caught Illegally Using Facial Recognition Program - http://sylnt.us - it's-okay-so-long-as-you-don't-get-caught?
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[22:51:54] <exec> welcome n1: Montevideo, Montevideo Department, Uruguay, 14°C/58°F, 7:51 pm GMT-3, Friday, 26 May 2017
[23:03:32] <mechanicjay> when good cronjobs go bad.
[23:04:39] <mechanicjay> a cronjob started emailing me errors today. Turns out it last successfully ran 3 years ago -- it's just been silently failing for 3 years.
[23:30:52] <charon_> how'd that happen? did another cronjob give this one your email address?
[23:36:20] <mechanicjay> I have no idea -- I also don't really care.
[23:45:13] <mechanicjay> my guess is that it just hasn't been able to write the file for 3 years but returned success, but a recent perl update caused an actual program exception to be thrown, hence the emails.
[23:50:20] <charon_> it's far more amusing to imagine the cronjobs hanging out and one asking how to get ahold of you since you hadn't responded for 3 years. but somewhat inaccurate, no doubt