#Soylent | Logs for 2017-05-02
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[00:46:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ocean Detectives Find New Micro-Organisms in Seawater - http://sylnt.us - good-excuse-for-a-day-at-the-beach
[00:57:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Confirmed: Intel Patches Remote Execution Hole That's Been Hidden in its Chips Since 2008 - http://sylnt.us - infirmware
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[01:26:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Confirmed: Intel Patching Remote Execution Hole that has been Hidden in its Chips Since 2008 - http://sylnt.us - infirmware
[01:31:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> there we go. all sorted on my LAN. only had one vulnerable box. apparently celerons didn't get that particular bit of bullshit in them.
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[01:46:08] <exec> welcome FatPhil: Tallinn, Estonia, 1°C/33°F, 4:46 am GMT+3, Tuesday, 2 May 2017
[01:46:22] <Deucalion> ~weather
[01:46:25] <exec> 10London, UK - currently 49°F / 9°C, partly cloudy, wind NE at 4 mph, humidity 84% - Monday clear with periodic clouds (45°F:56°F / 7°C:13°C), Tuesday scattered showers (46°F:62°F / 8°C:17°C), Wednesday cloudy (49°F:56°F / 9°C:13°C), Thursday cloudy (49°F:60°F / 9°C:16°C)
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[01:50:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> heya, Phil. forget to ident?
[01:53:47] <Deucalion> wow eggdrop is under active dev again. The last version was 1.6.21 dated 2011-10-25. Then all of a sudden v1.8.0 2016-12-04 - current stable v1.8.1 ... /me scurries to read changelog
[01:54:30] <Deucalion> So much irc stuff suddenly getting active dev activity after many years of nothing. Kinda makes me paranoid
[02:15:56] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[02:16:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Deucalion
[02:16:05] * exec ceremoniously shoves a tremendouns number of windows 95 in Deucalion
[02:17:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Confirmed: Intel Patching Remote Execution Hole that has been Hidden in its Chips Since 2008 - http://sylnt.us - infirmware
[02:21:58] <Deucalion> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[02:22:00] * exec casually pesters a screenshot of stahhhp! with TheMightyBuzzard
[02:22:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> how goes the work on getting another irc server up on dev?
[02:23:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> not just for practice, mind ya. we're gonna need it when we redo bery.
[02:27:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lego to Sell Saturn V Kit - http://sylnt.us - me-want
[02:28:28] <Deucalion> TheMightyBuzzard, ircd and atheme-services compile fine on dev... gonna take that as they will run fine for now. At the moment I am pulling over eggdrop and then atheme-iris (webirc)... get them to compile. If all those compile then I'll spin it up as a slave to the current ircd to make sure they all run OK. Then comes the other bots... not looking forward to that, but I think the core irc stuff is not going to be any problem other than time tb
[02:28:28] <Deucalion> h.
[02:29:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool cool
[02:30:29] <Deucalion> eggdrop has TCL version dependencies that may trip us up, but I'll only find out if I stop blithering on here :)
[02:30:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't sweat my two bots. bender probably only needs the right python libs and pointed to the right python executable.
[02:31:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> check eix for the python libs before you manually install them. then keep a list.
[02:32:23] <Deucalion> For sure... Bender is the one that makes me sweat, it's a fucking behemoth and it scares me every time I go near it. What is eix?
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[02:35:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> package search thing for gentoo. it's handy.
[02:35:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> and don't require root to search
[02:36:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean you CAN use emerge for searching if you like, i just greatly prefer eix.
[02:39:58] * Deucalion has been using apt and associated tools for far too long - ya know if you only have to deal with these things occasionally it pays to just use one tool chain... get to know the tool. I guess people who do it for a living get to know all the package management stuff for various distros inside out... apt, yum, pacman etc etc... to me I only dabble now and then as a hobby so I have to keep notes :D
[02:40:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'not difficult. eix foo searches for packages with foo in the name.
[02:41:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> with shiny colors even. not colours though so you may need a translation tool to get the u out.
[02:41:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> or add it rather.
[02:47:16] <Deucalion> it's puters, none of it is difficult, just syntax.. my main problem is failing RAM in my head... I need an upgrade to NVRAM up there.... I swear I can be working on something one thing, come back to it the next day after a sleep and "it's gone"... wtf memory why you have to do me like this, we were just working on this!
[02:48:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> sticky notes is our friend
[03:01:38] <Deucalion> I got fed up with expired paper notes littering the place, now I have the same thing in txt docs that litter my virtual desktop and numerous other dirs I thought would serve as a filing system - of course I find the note I would have needed right after I did all the work again... and think, that would have been nice to find an hour ago. ~shrug~ just life
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[03:10:22] <exec> welcome nick: Montevideo, Montevideo Department, Uruguay, 17°C/62°F, 12:10 am GMT-3, Tuesday, 2 May 2017
[03:57:51] <Empyrean> does anyone know if disabling AMT in the BIOS has any effect on hindering the new Intel vulnerability? does it for instance prevent remote attacks? i know local attacks might still be a possibility...
[03:58:58] <Empyrean> well i suppose new = 9 years old...
[04:06:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "We Don't Want to be an Office:" Café Owners Are Pulling the Plug on Wifi - http://sylnt.us - you-deserve-a-break-today
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[05:21:24] <chromas> Not the cafés! Without internet, the hipsters will leave
[05:21:45] <chromas> Then they'll be replaced by über hipsters because no internet is retro and vintage
[05:36:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Public Defender's Office Responds to California Judge's Refusal to Get Working Software - http://sylnt.us - wait-until-it-happens-to-someone-he-knows
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[07:16:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hard Grind: the Epic Journey of the World's Biggest Tunnel Boring Machine - http://sylnt.us - Pffft!-Another-boring-story!
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[07:51:29] <exec> welcome crutchy: and Datehttps://www.timeanddate.com - CachedCurrent local time in Australia – Victoria – Melbourne. Get Melbourne's weather
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[08:47:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Cash Pile Reaches a Quarter Trillion, According to the Wall Street Journal - http://sylnt.us - could-give-$33-to-every-single-person-in-the-world
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[10:15:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Serious Bug in GCC - http://sylnt.us - bug++
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[10:47:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist crutchy
[10:47:04] <MrPlow> crutchy, you're a socialist!
[10:48:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> we was just talkin about you yesterday. Bytram was sayin how he missed you. i assume it was for new and exciting exec bugs, cause he IS Bytram after all.
[10:58:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[10:58:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[10:58:20] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 383
[11:07:02] <crutchy> .socialist TheMightyBuzzard
[11:07:07] <crutchy> derp
[11:09:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'terrible, forgetting yer own bot's prefix
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[11:31:59] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:31:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3404
[11:32:06] <Bytram> !uid
[11:32:06] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6585, owned by rrb
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[11:36:30] <exec> welcome alexbst: London, UK, 17°C/62°F, 12:36 pm GMT+1, Tuesday, 2 May 2017
[11:45:36] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[11:45:36] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 298
[11:45:39] <Bytram> bettah
[11:45:50] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:45:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3405
[11:56:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Rejoice, for Linux 4.11 has been Delivered! - http://sylnt.us - hit-those-mirrors
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[13:27:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Zuckerberg 2020? Facebook CEO Tours America's Rust Belt Amid Rumors of Political Run - http://sylnt.us - targeted-news-feed-near-you
[13:35:45] <chromas> Zucked4America
[13:50:23] <paulej72> Zucker4MediaManipulation
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[14:52:54] <exec> welcome Deucalion: London, UK, 15°C/59°F, 3:52 pm GMT+1, Tuesday, 2 May 2017
[14:57:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ESPN Can't Afford to Go On Like This - http://sylnt.us - cheaper-circuses
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[15:08:02] <Bytram> time to get going about my day... will check in again later.
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[15:12:21] <exec> welcome nick: Montevideo, Montevideo Department, Uruguay, 23°C/74°F, 12:12 pm GMT-3, Tuesday, 2 May 2017
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[17:07:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> #weather 33701
[17:07:35] <MrPlow> Today: Partly cloudy. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. High 84F. Winds NW at 5 to 10 mph. Tomorrow: A few clouds from time to time. High 88F. Winds E at 5 to 10 mph.
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[18:06:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Border Officers Lock up Australian after he 'Overstayed Visa by 90 Minutes' - http://sylnt.us - Get-Me-Outta-Here!
[19:33:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather
[19:33:21] <MrPlow> Today: Sunny. High 78F. Winds W at 10 to 20 mph. Tomorrow: Partly cloudy with afternoon showers or thunderstorms. High 78F. Winds ESE at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50%.
[19:33:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg
[19:35:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, nice, the winds'll be low enough to get out on the lake tomorrow morning. won't hit 12mph till 10pm.
[19:35:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> barely, mind you. it'll be windy as shit for my little boat but it won't be enough to flip or swamp it.
[19:36:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> also sposed to rain tomorrow evening so the fish should be biting.
[19:37:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lucid Motors' Flagship 'Air' to Offer 200+ MPH Performance - http://sylnt.us - quick-AND-fast-BUT-???
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[20:53:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[20:53:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[20:53:49] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 384
[21:07:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Trump Broke 80 Promises in 100 Days - http://sylnt.us - not-exactly-like-Ted-Williams
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[21:41:49] <exec> welcome nick: Montevideo, Montevideo Department, Uruguay, 23°C/73°F, 6:41 pm GMT-3, Tuesday, 2 May 2017
[21:42:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday nick
[21:42:03] * exec prematurely terrorizes a dash of fat chick with nick
[21:50:24] <nick> g'day TheMightyBuzzard
[21:50:48] <nick> managed to go to the store and forget id been using the laptop on battery all afternoon.
[21:51:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> ruh roh
[21:51:03] <nick> even though just before i went to the store it was being all 'battery at less than 10%'
[21:52:46] <nick> is probably a good example of why a battery EV is not for me, always let things run down to <1% before charging and i don't like change!
[21:53:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. i don't trust em to not blow up when hit by another car or grow annoying dendrites and die.
[21:54:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> batteries is fine for boats cause you can always use oars but cars need something reliable
[21:56:10] <nick> im the sort of guy who drives for 3 days with the fuel warning light on
[21:56:20] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[21:56:35] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Well, if the battery runs down, you could always power your car like they did on "The Flintstones"! Yabba Dabba Dooo!
[21:56:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> bad for your car. makes it pick the trash up off the bottom of the tank.
[21:56:49] <nick> 'well the fuel warning light gives me 30-40 miles, and i know they put some extra in there for contingency, so i'm good for at least 60'
[21:57:37] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ sediment and sludge in bottom of gas tank is not friendly to fuel injectors
[21:57:37] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 299
[21:57:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> water and rust and other detritus and the like
[21:58:01] <nick> i've not had any issues so far, and i know quite a few people who never have more than $10 ($5 by US fuel prices) in the tank
[21:58:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i been poor before myself. that tends to equal out cause you never let a lot of trash stay in the tank by means of pushing it out through the engine as it gets there to begin with.
[21:59:52] <nick> my UK car, except for one occasion i've never seen the fuel gauge go to more than half
[22:00:08] <nick> but half a tank gets me 350 miles or so
[22:00:52] <nick> on that one had a few close calls, could feel it struggling as it was using vapour to keep going
[22:00:57] <nick> which is even worse being a diesel
[22:01:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeesh. my whole tank only gets me 350 miles. mind you it's only 10gal
[22:02:20] <nick> when i used to drive my dads land rover on occasion, to stop it sitting for months... i'd put $30 of fuel in it, and the gauge would barely move
[22:02:37] <nick> to do a full tank from empty you'd have to go twice as £100 was the max you could put in any one go
[22:03:09] <nick> $30 and i'd be all 'that should get me home before the fuel warning light comes back on'
[22:03:20] <nick> being all of 5 miles away
[22:03:43] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[22:03:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> gallons to the mile, eh?
[22:04:55] <nick> pretty much, is what you get with a rather agricultural diesel engine in a SUV with permanent 4x4 and off-road tires
[22:05:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> yarp
[22:05:33] <nick> he gets like twice the efficiency now, he has a last of a generation toyota hilux
[22:06:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> toyota makes a hell of a vehicle
[22:07:42] <nick> that they do, it was my recommendation to get it as the replacement
[22:08:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've grown kinda partial to >= 300K-mile cars
[22:08:39] <nick> he was thinking about a Mitsubishi outlander, i threatened to disown him
[22:09:57] <nick> a lot of variables there... in the UK very few make it to 300k, the road/traffic conditions and market for smaller engines dont really let them live that long
[22:12:51] <nick> my car in the UK has 150k on it, and it's considered worthless partly because of the 'high' mileage
[22:13:55] <nick> 96% depreciation in 8 years.
[22:14:25] <nick> luckily i bought it 4 years ago when it had already depreciated 80%
[22:15:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeesh
[22:16:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> toyotas here keep their value much better and go mostly by mileage not age
[22:16:01] <nick> people here have been really confused at why i wouldn't buy a brand new car if i have the option to... but here cars don't depreciate in the same way
[22:17:00] <nick> here, if the car is in reasonable working order and decent condition it's $7k and up.... it basically wont depreciate in the first 4 years of ownership
[22:17:25] <nick> and then after 10 years, it will basically hold the $7k mark if kept in reasonable condition
[22:18:24] <nick> i was looking at some 1990's toyota hilux here... they're about $10k in 'average' condition with at least 160k on them
[22:18:33] <nick> thats for a single cab, 2wd
[22:19:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's largely regional over here. you can buy a 10yo car that runs for $3k in rural areas south of where they use salt on the roads in winter
[22:19:30] <nick> twin cabs with 4x4 are more like $15k for a 90's one, 25k for a 00's... but then a new one is like $50k
[22:20:14] <nick> when i was in MI earlier in the year, i've never seen so much rust
[22:20:41] <nick> quite how some of those cars and trucks are still holding together is a mystery when the lower half is just rust and holes
[22:21:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. out in NM/AZ/TX it's the opposite. you can see 50yo cars with no rust.
[22:22:06] <nick> i have toyed with the idea of going to those places and buying some classics for export
[22:22:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> might or might not be worth the shipping
[22:23:10] <nick> depends where you're shipping them to for sure
[22:23:46] <nick> UK market is dead for it now with the currency crash, fuel costs and potential for taxes based on emissions
[22:24:27] <nick> but there are other places with more potential, but it's a high risk investment, even if you pick carefully
[22:27:05] * TheMightyBuzzard nods
[22:27:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[22:27:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[22:27:15] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 385
[22:27:21] <nick> now that
[22:27:24] <Bytram> !uid
[22:27:24] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6586, owned by ubuntourist
[22:27:25] <nick> is a good idea
[22:28:39] * nick still wants to import a Holden ute or sportwagon to the UK
[22:32:03] <nick> just like this guy did http://ag-spots-2013.o.auroraobjects.eu
[22:55:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Real Books Are Back. E-Book Sales Plunge Nearly 20% - http://sylnt.us - some-things-are-just-fine-the-way-they-are
[23:49:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh this one should be FUN!
[23:49:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.rt.com
[23:49:54] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[23:49:55] <exec> └─ 13DNC argues it had the right to rig 2016 democratic primary — RT America
[23:50:19] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[23:52:30] <nick> interesting story
[23:56:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm subbing it purely to see the fireworks but it's definitely a legitimate story of interest to many of our readers.
[23:58:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> feh, i gotta go cook dinner. stupid kids, expecting dinner every night...