#Soylent | Logs for 2017-03-22

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[00:27:43] <chromas> still-waiting-on-quantum-dot-led-displays dept
[00:45:34] <paulej72> stupid ass maketing term
[00:47:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - British Man With Type 1 Diabetes to Receive Tests After Coming Off Insulin - http://sylnt.us - now-with-25%-less-sugar
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[01:36:49] <Andronas> hi there
[01:43:11] <charon_> hiyo
[01:44:10] <Andronas> how's it going?
[01:45:52] <charon_> meh. about to leave work. tired and grouchy.
[01:45:57] <charon_> how about you?
[01:45:57] <Andronas> i know the feel
[01:46:04] <Andronas> what do you do? i'm reading
[01:46:27] <charon_> i work at a home depot
[01:47:32] <Andronas> cool
[01:48:54] <charon_> at least it was quiet tonight. not very many customers since 7
[01:49:21] <Andronas> that's good
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[02:23:11] <cmn32480> ~gday #soylet
[02:23:12] * exec slowly poops an F cup of key/value pairs for #soylet
[02:26:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tip for Darknet Drug Lords: Don't Wear Latex Gloves to the Post Office - http://sylnt.us - he-didn't-want-to-get-his-hands-dirty
[02:26:40] * cmn32480 wonders if he cna catch the crickets for bait
[02:35:37] <SirFinkus> here's a neat thing https://www.youtube.com
[02:35:38] <exec> └─ 13Crawl through a B-29 Superfortress IN FLIGHT! + Real-Time procedures / ATC - Oshkosh AirVenture! - YouTube
[02:37:10] <charon> hiyo cmn32480
[02:37:20] <cmn32480> ~gday charon
[02:37:21] <charon> hiyo SirFinkus
[02:37:21] * exec overratedly pairs an old shoe full of vespene gas with charon
[02:37:34] <SirFinkus> lo
[02:39:17] <cmn32480> how goes fellas?
[02:39:31] <cmn32480> or ladies... or whatever....
[02:39:33] <SirFinkus> miserable
[02:39:36] <charon> new pc parts ordered. should arrive later in the week
[02:39:47] <cmn32480> cookies++
[02:39:47] <Bender> karma - cookies: 11
[02:39:56] <cmn32480> nice!
[02:40:03] <cmn32480> what';d you get?
[02:40:44] <charon> a whole new everything. ryzen 1700 and all the stuff that goes with it
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[02:41:02] <charon> when i get that set up, i'll pass the old one down to my kids
[02:41:26] <cmn32480> very cool... what'd you do for graphics?
[02:41:43] <charon> https://www.newegg.com
[02:41:45] <exec> └─ 13XFX Radeon GTR RX 480 DirectX 12 RX-480P8DBA6 8GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 CrossFireX Support Black Edition Video Card-Newegg.com
[02:42:17] <charon> got good reviews, seems like a quality item
[02:42:31] <cmn32480> hot damn
[02:42:36] <cmn32480> very high end...
[02:42:41] <cmn32480> well done!
[02:43:08] <cmn32480> .me woudl get killed for reupping his PC
[02:44:01] <cmn32480> God Bless Texas BBQ
[02:44:15] <cmn32480> Brisket...
[02:44:17] <cmn32480> ribs
[02:44:23] <cmn32480> bacon wrapped chicken
[02:44:24] <charon> the secret upside to being a divorcé
[02:44:33] <charon> mmm, brisket
[02:44:40] <cmn32480> jalepeno sausage
[02:45:23] <cmn32480> the place we went tonight claims that they run about 5000lbs of brisket per week
[02:45:39] <charon> that's a lot of cows
[02:45:57] <charon> i imagine they know what they're doing if they have that kind of volume
[02:46:35] <cmn32480> http://www.hardeightbbq.com
[02:46:37] <exec> └─ 13Hard Eight BBQ
[02:46:39] <cmn32480> they do
[02:46:50] <cmn32480> and it is excellent
[02:47:17] * Bytram pokes his nose in for a moment before trundling off to bed
[02:47:23] <Bytram> hi gang!
[02:47:29] <Bytram> ~gday cmn32480
[02:47:30] * exec allegedly violates a sacful of chrome ass with cmn32480
[02:47:32] <Bytram> ~gday charon
[02:47:34] * exec abnormally terrorizes a slice of bitches brew with charon
[02:47:37] <cmn32480> ~gday bytram!
[02:47:38] * exec unnecessarily scissors a barrage of scripts for bytram!
[02:47:38] <charon> hiyo Bytram
[02:47:46] <Bytram> ~gday SirFinkus
[02:47:48] * exec figuratively offers a lifetime supply of vindication to SirFinkus
[02:47:55] <cmn32480> charon - the place has excellent food
[02:47:58] <cmn32480> tasty
[02:48:10] <charon> jalapeno cream corn. i'd try that
[02:48:23] <cmn32480> it is good
[02:48:27] <cmn32480> had it last week
[02:48:35] <cmn32480> they sell by the pund
[02:48:40] <cmn32480> *pound
[02:48:56] <charon> don't y'all have BBQ in the balmar area?
[02:49:20] <charon> or is it all shrimp boils?
[02:49:34] <cmn32480> crabs, knucklehead
[02:49:39] <charon> lol
[02:49:43] <cmn32480> and pit beef/ham/turkey
[02:50:18] * charon grabs a box of Old Bay
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[02:50:52] <cmn32480> .me scratches his crabs
[02:52:02] <charon> suddenly the conversation becomes far too personal
[02:52:14] <charon> so, how's Bytram tonight?
[02:52:23] <cmn32480> crabby liek the rest of us
[02:52:26] <cmn32480> :-)
[02:53:07] <charon> damn, this sound is ridiculously catchy: https://www.youtube.com
[02:53:09] <exec> └─ 13Jain - Come - YouTube
[02:53:18] <charon> song, that is
[02:53:31] * Bytram is a bit tired...
[02:54:14] <Bytram> closed the store last night, opened the store this morning... had to do a load of laundry before I headed out the door, and had the fun of dealing with SS with AM, to start things off.
[02:54:50] * cmn32480 apologizes for that
[02:55:12] <charon> i saw the drama. my sympathies
[02:55:14] <Bytram> just doing what needed doing, comes with job....
[02:55:27] <cmn32480> I was reading backscroll when he dropped out
[02:55:45] <Bytram> one of the things that I was warned early on, by LamX, if I am not mistaken, was that one neded a tough skin for the job.
[02:55:54] <cmn32480> given that it was, really all my fault
[02:56:10] <cmn32480> instead of yours, for a change
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[02:56:20] <Bytram> nope, i broached the idea of hte img removal
[02:57:05] <Bytram> I was the one who made the story, things went sideways, the community had a hell of a lot of fun in the comments, things got carried away, we dealt with it, as best we could under the circumstances. live and learn.
[02:57:06] <cmn32480> i requested his priv removal
[02:57:18] <Bytram> if you hadn't, then I would have.
[02:57:41] <Bytram> being an editor is a position of trust, on behalf of the community, to serve them.
[02:57:53] <Bytram> trust is hard won and easily lost.
[02:58:03] <cmn32480> yer a good man, Charlie Brown
[02:58:55] <Bytram> If he had owned up to it, apologized, and demonstrated genuine remorse and understanding of the nature of the mistake, then I'd be willing to consider a probational re-instatement... earn back the trust.
[02:59:03] <Bytram> but, if that went south, then that's it.
[02:59:24] <charon> has he actually edited a story in recent memory?
[02:59:35] <Bytram> I guess, so long as someone is genuinely *trying* to improve, I'll meet them MROE than half-way.
[02:59:47] <Bytram> s/RO/OR/
[02:59:47] <sedctl> <Bytram> I guess, so long as someone is genuinely *trying* to improve, I'll meet them MORE than half-way.
[02:59:49] <exec> <Bytram> I guess, so long as someone is genuinely *trying* to improve, I'll meet them MORE than half-way.
[03:00:30] <Bytram> charon: I remember looking on the search page early this AM, don't recall the result.
[03:00:47] <cmn32480> charon - no
[03:01:29] <cmn32480> somewhere between 10 and 20 stories posted in 3 years
[03:01:42] <charon> or are privileges not that fine grained? if someone was staff for another reason they could still poke a story?
[03:02:28] * Bytram just checked his schedule and realized he has a full shift tomorrow... am not gonna stay up as late as usual so's I can rest up. Though much better than it had been, the sciatica seems to habve improved over the vacation, but being back on my feet all day is, umm, tiring
[03:03:03] <cmn32480> get somwe rest bytram
[03:03:08] <cmn32480> we'll hold down the fort
[03:03:30] <Bytram> charon: I've only witnessed a few get promoted to editor, and after that, just my own efforts progressing on the dev side of things... so I've not looked at the code...
[03:03:38] * charon holds down cmn32480
[03:03:59] <cmn32480> charon - the lowest seclev is 100.
[03:04:07] <cmn32480> that is the jr editor
[03:04:08] <Bytram> i suspect there is finer granularity available through ACLs (Access Control LIsts), but don't know how much of that was fully implemented from the inherited code.
[03:04:38] <cmn32480> short version is that all staff have the ability to post and edit stories
[03:04:55] <charon> i was starting to suspect that was the case
[03:06:06] <Bytram> I only recently =(a few months ago?) learned that there was a higher priv than I had had -- unlimited moderation among other things... have that inplace on dev and wrote a short program so I can now programatically mod a comment
[03:06:39] <Bytram> I've got a bit more coding to do, but my aim is to be able to write something like these next three lines:
[03:06:53] <Bytram> comment 0001 --mod interesting
[03:07:27] <Bytram> comment 0002 --reply-to 0001 --mod fun touch inter insig under
[03:08:05] <Bytram> comment 0003 --reply-to 0002 --mod spam funny interesting INSIGHTFUL
[03:08:06] <Bytram> and the like
[03:08:25] <Bytram> only need the first 3 chars of the moderation to uniquely identify which one you want
[03:08:30] <Bytram> case is not significant
[03:08:41] <charon> cool for testing
[03:08:47] <cmn32480> interesting
[03:08:50] <Bytram> zactly!
[03:10:05] <Bytram> only hiccup is that I still have to manually push a story onto the site,m but once it is in place, i can create a whole tree of comments, and, with a bit more work, programatically moderate things to create a certain hierarchy
[03:11:28] <Bytram> as much as I would rather play with that, I've got other things on my plate like finishing my taxes and paying some bills which will prolly take up most of thursday (my next day off) and then I am back to work, for 6 days straight.
[03:11:40] <charon> huh, you don't even need a community.
[03:12:08] <charon> post a story, fill it with comments praising the mighty Bytram
[03:12:47] <Bytram> well, the comments themselves are not THAT interesting... just a date/time stamp for the most part (so as to overcome one of the filters -- against posting duplicate comments)
[03:13:27] <charon> that reminds me, the filter prevented my from using the word "viagra" in a comment yesterday
[03:13:37] <charon> but it was relevant!
[03:13:46] <Bytram> after I created and pushed out the story, all of the comments and moderation for this story were done from the cmd line: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[03:13:49] <exec> └─ 13Bytram's Bored Room -- 20170320_143211 UTC - Dev.SN
[03:13:59] <Bytram> comments from a script, moderation by hand but from the cmd line.
[03:14:14] <Bytram> anyway, I think I *will* hit the hay, if you all can keep the story queue covered.
[03:14:44] <charon> i think we can handle it
[03:14:47] <charon> ~gnight bytram
[03:14:48] * exec cromulently stuffs cream of oil into bytram
[03:14:57] <Bytram> ~gnight cmn32480
[03:14:58] * exec transphobically passes a raid 2 volume of Kenny-flavored chocolate milk mix to cmn32480
[03:15:03] <cmn32480> ~gnight bytram
[03:15:05] * exec problematically imagines a FAT32 volume of social justice with bytram
[03:15:09] <Bytram> ~gnight charon
[03:15:14] * exec buttmagically cropdusts a wallet of Donald Trump's saliva over charon
[03:15:20] <Bytram> ewwwwww!
[03:15:24] <charon> FFS
[03:15:27] <Bytram> ~gnight charon
[03:15:29] * exec transphobically deletes the last slice of purple drank from charon
[03:15:41] <Bytram> much bettah!
[03:15:53] <charon> couldn't have been much worse
[03:16:12] * Bytram nods, and groans in agreement
[03:16:31] <Bytram> au revoir, mon senor!
[03:16:34] <Bytram> ;)
[03:16:37] <charon> cheers, and sleep well
[03:28:26] <cmn32480> mmmm... jalapenos
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[04:17:23] <cmn32480> ~gnight #soylent
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[09:44:18] <FatPhil> Handy hint - don't have set -x enabled when you have smart filename completion turned on in your shell...
[09:53:32] <boru> Which shell is that a problem in?
[10:06:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 'Tree-on-a-Chip' Passively Pumps Water for Days - http://sylnt.us - no-leaves
[10:18:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:18:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3296
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[10:31:01] <boru> Morning, old chap. Have you played around with the Rust bindings for Perl any more?
[10:46:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, nah, got them working for passing strings back and forth yesterday (ints are easier) and played vidya
[10:47:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> may see if i can figure out how to pass a hash/struct today
[10:52:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[10:52:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[10:52:20] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 333
[10:57:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Gorsuch Won Broad Democrat Support in 2006 – Now Things Are Different - http://sylnt.us - supreme-court-positions-are-different
[11:19:45] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:19:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3297
[11:19:48] <Bytram> !uid
[11:19:48] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6535, owned by Mycatpurrs
[11:19:56] <Bytram> lol
[11:20:01] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[11:20:03] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 19°F, cloudy, wind NW at 1 mph, humidity 77% - Wednesday snow showers (1°F:25°F), Thursday partly cloudy (2°F:22°F), Friday snow showers (19°F:34°F), Saturday partly cloudy (7°F:34°F)
[11:20:08] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[11:20:09] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 33°F, mostly sunny, wind W at 7 mph, humidity 75% - Wednesday cloudy (10°F:34°F), Thursday sunny (19°F:32°F), Friday rain and snow (34°F:40°F), Saturday scattered showers (24°F:42°F)
[11:20:12] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[11:20:13] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 38°F, mostly sunny, wind W at 15 mph, humidity 47% - Wednesday cloudy (15°F:37°F), Thursday sunny (26°F:37°F), Friday rain (40°F:44°F), Saturday rain (34°F:48°F)
[11:20:18] <Bytram> ~weather baltimore
[11:20:19] <exec> 10Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 44°F, clear with periodic clouds, wind NW at 17 mph, humidity 45% - Wednesday cloudy (27°F:47°F), Thursday sunny (36°F:48°F), Friday partly cloudy (52°F:61°F), Saturday partly cloudy (51°F:74°F)
[11:20:21] <Bytram> ~weather miami
[11:20:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[11:20:23] <exec> 10Miami, FL, USA - currently 64°F, clear, wind W at 2 mph, humidity 80% - Wednesday sunny (64°F:81°F), Thursday scattered thunderstorms (67°F:78°F), Friday partly cloudy (69°F:75°F), Saturday partly cloudy (68°F:78°F)
[11:20:24] * exec skeptically hallucinates a bucket of perl with Bytram
[11:20:33] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:20:35] * exec romantically pukes a tumblr of spew on TheMightyBuzzard
[11:20:45] * TheMightyBuzzard probably wins that one
[11:20:48] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:21:08] * Bytram is still trying to wake up
[11:23:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto. taking a couple days off from the amphetamines to detox so they'll work mo betta again.
[11:23:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> makes waking up a massive coffee undertaking though
[11:23:33] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:24:18] <Bytram> biab -- laundry
[11:26:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... doesn't look like you can easily pass arrays/hashes to rust library functions
[11:29:38] <Bytram> easy peasy! Just write to a file in perl and read it in using rust! ;)
[11:30:51] <Bytram> uuencode/decode ??
[11:31:07] <Bytram> json?
[11:31:52] <Bytram> I'm not entirely joking here... if what you are attempting to do is that complicated, and rust is that much more performant, it might even be worth the translations.
[11:32:11] <Bytram> anyway... time to get ready for an early shift at work. laters
[11:32:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> laters
[11:36:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Accounting Reloaded -- Including Strategic Assets in the Bottom Line - http://sylnt.us - microwaving-the-books
[11:54:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> as fucked up as it'd be, json looks like the way you'd hafta go since the FFI::Platypus module doesn't currently support custom types without you writing a module for the custom type first.
[12:03:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like you could also use pack/unpack
[12:04:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> none of the above, however, would improve efficiency.
[12:05:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, passing basic types only then.
[12:14:42] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[12:15:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i guess you could still improve efficiency by multi-threading comment rendering
[12:18:38] <boru> TMB; aye, I'd be interested to hear how you get on.
[12:19:11] <boru> Might be easier to do some data marshalling yourself into simpler types, if someone hasn't done that already.
[12:19:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, well we'd end up having to pass a huge number of args to the rust function. it'd be quite ugly.
[12:20:38] <boru> Not necessarily; the bindings could be the ones to do the marshalling i.e. turn Perl type X into Rust type Y
[12:21:00] <boru> I'll probably realise why that's a bad idea when I get back to playing with Rust, though.
[12:24:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> well we generally pass enormous structures to perl subs and then use only what we need from them. that can't happen for Rust.
[12:24:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> or rather we pass references to enormous structures
[12:24:58] <boru> Right.
[12:25:44] <boru> So what's the alternative, then? Munging it into a HoH?
[12:26:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> but, without many hoops being jumped through, we cannot pass anything but ints/strings to rust, each as its own argument.
[12:29:32] <boru> Define many hoops. You can't get crates or modules or traits or whatever Rust calls them easily?
[12:30:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> you have to build a rust module that precisely defines what's in the hashref, which is going to be unknown at the time of passing.
[12:31:47] <boru> Could you tag the type and create a (I can't believe I'm suggesting this) factory?
[12:31:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> can be done but you end up having to essentially create a new C struct and pass a pointer to it then tell rust how to read it.
[12:32:42] <boru> OOP is backwards POO and all that, but it might simply having to add new types i.e. do it all in one place.
[12:32:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'd honestly be more efficient to pack()/unpack() or json encode data for passing.
[12:32:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> and less error prone
[12:33:55] <boru> Fair enough. I can't really any sensible suggestions for Rust at the moment, anyway. It's been a while since I last played around with it, and that was very superficial.
[12:36:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> like we routinely pass $user around which is a hashref containing every bit of information about the logged in user. multiple strings and ints of arbitrary length. each one would need its own data, size, and type information in the structure passed to rust, as well as an overall pointer and size.
[12:38:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> passing it around perl you just pass $user, a reference(pointer). passing it externally you have to pass every bit of info needed to reconstruct the structure.
[12:39:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> passing it as json you'd only need to convert the referenced hash to json and then let rust convert it to a struct.
[12:40:25] <boru> It sounds more or less like what I was suggesting, but rather using binary, and not json.
[12:40:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> pack/unpack would be significantly more complex but also slightly more efficient.
[12:59:15] * TheMightyBuzzard keeps reading and finds new and interesting stuffs
[13:07:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - DRM in HTML5 Takes its Next Step Toward Standardization - http://sylnt.us - the-man-knows-what-you're-watching
[13:11:17] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard: we could just rewrite rehash in rust with a postgresql db engine :)
[13:12:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> we could. i don't really wanna recompile every time we change something minor though.
[13:13:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> right now i'm looking for stuff that takes a long time to do in perl but lower level languages speed right on through.
[13:14:09] <boru> Then, soon, write them in Verilog and use a hardware solution!
[13:16:17] <paulej72> rust with templates :)
[13:17:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'd likely be faster to write the string combining that used to be done in templates in rust but that's currently changing a lot.
[13:31:21] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders a bit more
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[14:45:11] <exec> welcome n1: Montevideo, Montevideo Department, Uruguay, 22°C/72°F, 11:45 am GMT-3, Wednesday, 22 March 2017
[14:58:28] <FatPhil> Cool - extreme underclockers hit 11 uHz: http://www.idogendel.com
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[20:53:54] <exec> welcome mechanicjay: Seattle, WA, USA, 11°C/52°F, 1:53 pm GMT-7, Wednesday, 22 March 2017
[20:55:51] <mechanicjay> ...are we having fun yet?
[20:58:13] <chromas> Nope. couldn't get two video cards to share one X screen
[21:00:58] <boru> Optimus?
[21:01:39] <chromas> Nah, desktop. They are nvidia though
[21:02:25] <chromas> It's weird though. The mouse moves between the screens but I can't move windows
[21:04:21] <boru> That's peculiar. No weird WM setting that prevents windows going off the 'edge' -- some WMs have a strange concept of separate screens.
[21:04:30] <boru> Are you using xinerama or whatever it's called?
[21:04:42] <boru> And what WM, and prop driver, or open source one?
[21:07:00] <chromas> Nothin' weird. KWin for WM and proprietary driver
[21:07:16] <boru> Got an xorg.conf?
[21:07:24] <chromas> I tried nouveau and it worked but was super buggy and, although it plays videos fine, moving windows around looks like a commodore 64
[21:07:45] <boru> Yeah, nouveau's performance is utter shite.
[21:07:56] <boru> The prop driver blows it out of the water.
[21:09:31] <chromas> Now I'm running the screens off the same card, but that'll be bad for gaming because going fullscreen doesn't empty the desktop from the vram
[21:09:42] * chromas doesn't need it but is just dicking around
[21:10:31] <boru> Have you tried doing things from nvidia-settings?
[21:10:56] <chromas> I had an xorg.conf generated by the nvidia tool, both with and without xinerama. Still not sure what that does
[21:11:59] <boru> What X version?
[21:12:40] <chromas> xorg 1.19.3
[21:12:51] <boru> Okay, try starting without an xorg.conf, first.
[21:13:59] <boru> The fact that you can't move windows smells more like a WM problem though, to be fair.
[21:14:00] <chromas> That's how I started (and am now). The other vidya card dindu nuffin until I generated an xorg.conf
[21:14:08] <boru> Hmm.
[21:14:30] <chromas> it makes the other card have its own Screen, so I figured that meant something
[21:14:32] <boru> So, this is SLI, then?
[21:14:44] <chromas> nah, just another card I had sitting around
[21:15:10] <chromas> I wanted to be able to offload extra monitors to it to save up all the cycles of the good card
[21:16:08] * chromas should switch to a bsd and then poke you about pale moon on it :D
[21:16:15] * boru chuckles.
[21:16:43] <boru> I think you might want to use xrandr for offloading, though I'm not sure the current nvidia driver supports that at the moment.
[21:17:39] <chromas> Hm, I booted into wondows and it worked, but was also buggy
[21:17:59] * chromas wonders if his extra pci-e slot is bad or maybe the card's got systemd in it
[21:18:24] <boru> If my brain weren't so exhausted, I might be able to offer a more sensible solution.
[21:19:07] <chromas> 'sokay. thanks for the assistance :)
[21:19:23] * chromas can watch three porns at once now
[21:20:20] <boru> The opulence.
[21:20:45] <chromas> Truly, I am blessed
[21:20:49] <boru> From what I recall, multihead is fine for a sigle X screen, but I don't think you can do it with multi-card.
[21:21:29] <chromas> I guess Windows is still ahead of Linux on some things
[21:22:00] * chromas considers wayland
[21:23:51] <boru> Well, it's moreso that nvidia's Linux and BSD drivers are shite.
[21:24:05] <boru> They deliver on performance, but not features. Windows is their bread and butter.
[21:24:26] <boru> Anyway, I'm going to clock out and go to bed before I go off on that particular grump.
[21:24:31] * boru &
[21:25:07] * chromas ctrl-Ds without disown
[21:25:09] <chromas> night
[21:35:23] <Runaway1956> #submit http://www.foxnews.com
[21:35:23] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[21:35:24] <exec> └─ 13Parents' emotions raw in wake of rape at Maryland high school | Fox News
[21:35:49] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[21:35:51] <Runaway1956> Don't worry to much though - it's just some little white bitch who was raped - she doesn't matter as much as the poor immigrants
[21:38:42] <n1> would she matter more if the attacker was a well respected member of a sports team?
[21:39:30] <Runaway1956> No, events in Weirton W. Va. show that a football team can rape a girl, and get off without even a lecture
[21:40:06] <Runaway1956> However, in this case, we have not one, but two known law breakers who are in this country ILLEGALLY, who have raped an innocent little girl
[21:40:17] <takyon> jjjjjjjn
[21:40:26] <Runaway1956> and the school board advocates "sanctuary" status
[21:41:59] <n1> the last two paragraphs of your linked article are relevant to that
[21:42:01] * chromas sets out a printout of the progressive stack
[21:42:08] <takyon> https://www.hpcwire.com
[21:42:10] <exec> └─ 13Google Launches New Machine Learning Journal
[21:42:54] <Runaway1956> The last two paragraphs of that article are lies
[21:43:11] <Runaway1956> The supreme court does not require that schools harbor criminals
[21:43:59] <Runaway1956> Sanctuary cities are violating the laws in many cases, by refusing to cooperate with ICE
[21:44:54] <n1> i do know enough about the sanctuary city situation, but i would not expect an education establishment to do criminal background checks on students
[21:45:18] <n1> but maybe that's just me in finding educational establishments oppressive and controlling enough as it is already
[21:46:16] <Runaway1956> There have been a number of illegal aliens over the age of 20 who passed themselves off as young teens,
[21:46:35] <Runaway1956> in this case, maybe 17 and 18 aren't especially shocking
[21:47:01] <Runaway1956> but they don't belong here, and the only reason they come is they know the naive chumps will help them to hide
[21:47:27] <Runaway1956> THAT is what sanctuary cities are all about - aiding and abetting the criminals who are invading our country
[21:48:30] <takyon> https://arstechnica.com
[21:48:32] <exec> └─ 13“Startlingly effective” TV ads for testosterone helped lead to over-prescription | Ars Technica
[21:49:25] <takyon> https://arstechnica.com
[21:49:27] <exec> └─ 13Elon Musk on new NASA legislation: “This bill changes almost nothing” | Ars Technica
[21:49:28] <chromas> We should start feeding testosterone to little boys to help offset the synthetic estrogen in the water
[21:49:51] <takyon> http://hosted.ap.org
[21:49:52] <exec> └─ 13independentmail.com: AP News
[21:50:04] <chromas> /nick AlexJones
[21:50:05] <takyon> we should feed them nanobots to change them into women
[21:50:15] <chromas> They already think they are women
[21:50:21] <takyon> finish the job!
[21:50:34] <takyon> http://www.tomshardware.com
[21:50:35] <exec> └─ 13Khronos: Vulkan's Multi-GPU Support Isn't Only For Windows 10
[21:51:10] <chromas> "Mommy? I think I'm a girl even though, being only one person, I can't possibly know the difference between being a giri and being a boy and am not even old enough to drive yet"
[21:51:33] <Runaway1956> The attack in Westminster - have they identified the culprit yet?
[21:51:41] <takyon> "I support you in your non-binary quest"
[21:51:58] <takyon> I think it was a lone attacker and ISIS claimed responsibility
[21:52:02] <takyon> can't say I care
[21:52:05] <chromas> nope
[21:52:09] <chromas> nothing to do with islam
[21:52:25] <Runaway1956> LOL - nothing to do with Islam
[21:52:25] <chromas> don't be a racist bigot islamophobe
[21:52:30] <takyon> you give us the rundown then
[21:56:31] <Runaway1956> One passing phrase in one article - "eyewitnesses described an Asian man in his 40's carrying a knife"
[21:56:40] <Runaway1956> Not an Englishman then
[21:58:50] <n1> as i discovered on the AZJ youtube video, 'mericans know all about the terrorists, fighting fire with fire, killing them all etc.... but no one seems interested in how apparently islam is the most successful and sophisticated cult in the world with a decentralized structure and near perfect indoctrination methods creating unwavering loyalty in all it's billions(?) adherents to this deathcult even with other signal/noise from competing ideologies
[22:00:18] <Runaway1956> authoritarian control can do that - the same sort of control helped the Soviet retain power for quite a long while
[22:00:23] <n1> Runaway1956, in the 80's we used to look for green clothing and shamrocks, it's hard to identify the irish otherwise
[22:00:26] <Runaway1956> remember - apostates are put to death
[22:01:10] <Runaway1956> Tommy Robinson seems to have a grip on reality, LOL
[22:01:58] <n1> but that was in a centralized system, and there were plenty of defectors and other factions still... which is very different from how the islamic culture exists today
[22:02:33] <takyon> http://www.nextbigfuture.com
[22:02:35] <exec> └─ 13Next Big Future: DARPA projects aims for new magnetic gradiometers able to detect femtoTesla fields without shielding
[22:02:50] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[22:02:51] <exec> └─ 13Chicago Police Say They're Investigating Livestreamed Gang Rape Of Teenage Girl : The Two-Way : NPR
[22:02:53] <chromas> Muslims are coordinated with a DHT. They don't need no central server
[22:02:55] <Runaway1956> And - Islam isn't centralized? Every Muslim is expected to make a pilgrimage to Mecca - and they face Mecca while banging their heads on the ground five tiems each day
[22:03:00] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[22:03:02] <exec> └─ 13Google Promises To Keep Ads Off 'Hateful, Offensive' YouTube Content : The Two-Way : NPR
[22:03:19] <takyon> might submit this google ad thing
[22:04:25] <n1> Runaway1956, that's not a centralized control structure and authority, that's just something people are expected to do once in their lives.
[22:04:47] <chromas> Well there goes Franchesca Ramsey's living
[22:05:00] <chromas> and Laci Green if she's still around
[22:05:08] <Runaway1956> http://www.express.co.uk
[22:05:09] <exec> └─ 13London terror attack: Sick ISIS celebrates Parliament attack in Westminster | UK | News | Express.co.uk
[22:05:24] <n1> i may be biased, i went to school with muslims, worked with and for people who identify as muslims who have had varied personalities and aspirations.
[22:05:55] <Runaway1956> Islam is not a religion as we understand religion - it is a complete political, judicial, and social system, which uses religion to keep people under control
[22:06:09] <n1> that's how i understand religion anyway...
[22:07:04] <Runaway1956> In how many cities do the morality police patrol, arresting, beating, even killing people who "offend" Mohammed
[22:07:19] <n1> as i mentioned in my journal, i was forced to pray in school, i was told by my family i must
[22:07:24] <n1> even though none of them are religious
[22:07:26] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[22:07:28] <exec> └─ 13Lead Poisoning in Some California Neighborhoods Exceeds Levels in Flint, Michigan: SoylentNews Submission
[22:07:52] <chromas> We just need to force islam in the middle east to catch up to westernized islam
[22:08:01] <chromas> deus-vult.jpg
[22:08:15] <takyon> lel
[22:08:34] <n1> Runaway1956, plenty but they replace mohammed with 'family' 'country' or some other diety or monarch
[22:08:45] <chromas> exec: that is wrong! you can't have bad water with the D in charge!
[22:09:06] <chromas> at least all those things actually exist
[22:10:16] <Runaway1956> Okay - you get a point with that one - now - how many countries allow you to chop off someone's head and justify it by blaming the victim for insulting Mohammed
[22:11:17] <n1> chromas, lots of thing exist in different contexts, but it doesn't make them important
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[22:11:57] <exec> welcome AndyTheAbsurd: Saint Petersburg, FL 33701, USA, 24°C/75°F, 6:11 pm GMT-4, Wednesday, 22 March 2017
[22:11:58] <chromas> They just need rampant feminism in those countries to keep the radical muslims at bay.
[22:12:04] <chromas> oh wait http://everydayfeminism.com
[22:12:05] <exec> └─ 13Why the Idea That Islam Promotes Intolerance of the LGBTQIA+ Community Is a Lie - Everyday Feminism
[22:12:13] <n1> Runaway1956, not in that tone, but the same really applies... if they're 'criminals' or some other subset of society deemed unworthy, you can get away with a lot
[22:13:43] <n1> i havn't read that article, but i think that is bullshit... few cultures have missed an opportunity to be intolerant to LGBTetc lifestyles
[22:14:16] <Runaway1956> Come on man - if the founder of a religion issues a commandment that his followers spread his religion at the point of a sword, then people are going to try to spread that religion at the point of a sword
[22:14:33] <chromas> See, now you're being hurtful instead of being an ally
[22:14:37] <n1> mostly i assume it's just about having some enemy to focus on... the impossible task of getting rid of the bad apples that are sowing the seeds of destruction in our society
[22:14:53] <Runaway1956> Mohammed ordered his followers to kill and enslave the infidels
[22:15:05] * chromas sets out copies of the Communist Manifesto
[22:15:09] <chromas> It's us vs them, man
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[22:16:31] <Runaway1956> I realize that The Sun is tabloid quality, but all the same - https://www.thesun.co.uk
[22:17:35] <n1> mohammed can go fuck himself with a chainsaw... i really do not care for religion of any stripe... or general identity politics of any sort...
[22:18:33] <n1> Runaway1956, if they really wanted to make a statement... one car crashing on a bridge is pretty weak sauce
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[22:19:02] <Runaway1956> Just keep allowing them to "immigrate" - the sauce will get thicker.
[22:19:14] <Runaway1956> Gotta get some sleep - later
[22:19:17] <chromas> It's all Trump's doing in order to distract us from his taxes and the Russians
[22:19:33] <n1> as i said, i went to school with muslims, worked with muslims etc.... the sauce is pretty thick in the UK, there's millions of them
[22:19:47] <chromas> westernized muslims though, right?
[22:19:54] <n1> and yet they've done nothing but keep the convenience stores open all night
[22:20:10] <n1> some are, some arn't
[22:20:38] <chromas> were any of them 30-year-old preteens?
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[22:21:01] <chromas> I guess this is too absurd even for Andy
[22:21:16] <n1> younger generation is more westernised than the older usually... some are first generation immigrants, some are 2nd or 3rd
[22:21:37] <n1> but speaking from experience, when 'western' people immigrate elsewhere... they don't do shit to integrate with the culture they're moved to
[22:21:53] <n1> too busy going around telling everyone how 'we do it back in the UK' or wherever
[22:22:06] <takyon> omagerd there's too much activity in this here IRC!
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[22:22:47] <exec> welcome AndyTheAbsurd: Saint Petersburg, FL 33701, USA, 23°C/74°F, 6:22 pm GMT-4, Wednesday, 22 March 2017
[22:22:56] <chromas> Yeah but at least we westerners kill ourselves with triple cheeseburgers and pangenderal suicide instead of trucks of peace :D
[22:23:27] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[22:23:40] <chromas> to what precision though?
[22:23:54] * chromas downloads iSpunk
[22:24:34] <takyon> "At no point does semen touch the smartphone."
[22:24:39] <takyon> lol
[22:24:42] <chromas> we need an app for women too
[22:24:44] <chromas> an app for pap
[22:24:55] <chromas> papdroid
[22:25:43] <chromas> Maybe it doesn't touch the phone during the test, but they can't speak for the rest of the day
[22:27:39] <takyon> anyone see a DOI for this? crossref didnt give me anything: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
[22:27:42] <exec> └─ 13Global access to infertility care in developing countries: a case of human rights, equity and social justice
[22:29:23] <takyon> I don't think it has one
[22:29:31] <takyon> it's some kind of "PMC free article" special bs
[22:29:33] <takyon> bastardsw
[22:29:51] <chromas> has a pmcid, which is in the url
[22:30:01] * chromas doesn't know nuffin 'bout these newfnagled identifiers
[22:30:46] <takyon> DOI should be standard. screw them
[22:30:47] <takyon> whatever
[22:30:56] <chromas> should be an urn
[22:31:03] <chromas> just give each document an ipv6 address
[22:31:57] <takyon> hah
[22:32:07] <takyon> IPv8 plz
[22:32:29] <takyon> 1 quintillion IP addresses per atom in your body
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