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[00:01:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, nothin wrong with 1995. was some fine music and an overabundance of booty for me that year.
[00:02:03] <NCommander> I have to admit, I'm kinda rocking the motif
[00:03:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not exactly much more flashy with lxde/openbox myself
[00:11:46] <chromas> You're all way too flashy with your Xs and your mouses and your individually-addressable pixels
[00:12:17] <Bytram> IBM-3270 80x25 green screen ftw!
[00:12:38] <Bytram> or, maybe, an ADM-3a or VT-100?
[00:19:39] <NCommander> Bytram, I prefer character driven displays over screen ones. vi has issues over 3270
[00:20:14] <Bytram> okay... How 'bout a Decwriter? Or, for Really old-school ASR-33 teletype?
[00:20:21] <Bytram> =)
[00:23:31] <NCommander> Bytram, those both predate me :)
[00:26:04] <Bytram> oh, I misunderstood what you meant... the 3270 was *record* based. There were a bunch of AID (Attribute ID?) which configured bold/blink/reverse and/or display/nondisplay as well as readable/writable. When you were all done and pressed the "Enter" key, the whole "record" of field data was transmitted to the controller/concentrator and eventually got processed by the CPU. NOTE: The 'return' key was like the 'tab' key in that it only moved
[00:26:05] <Bytram> you between input fields.
[00:26:54] <Bytram> yep, neither of the old printed output terminals were ideal, but I must admit I am old enough to actually have had experience with them.
[00:39:17] <NCommander> Bytram, I've actually used 3270
[00:39:21] <NCommander> Bytram, very old mainframe job
[00:39:33] <Bytram> How old WAS the mainfgrame? ;)
[00:39:33] * NCommander is currently installing a more usable Linux distro on his router
[00:39:45] * Bytram wishes NCommander the best ofluck!
[00:39:52] <NCommander> Bytram, I have no idea, expect it involved several proxies to route 3270 emulation to LInux
[00:40:04] * Bytram was j/k
[00:40:11] <NCommander> Bytram, well I need to repartition my external 3 TiB drive to make the ext4 partition large enough to dump the filesystem
[00:40:43] * Bytram actually once used an IBM 370/158 (I think it was), it had a knob which one could adjust, much like a thermometer, which adjusted the clock speed to as slow a clock as you would like.
[00:40:59] <NCommander> Bytram, I bet you have JCL burned into your brain
[00:41:17] <Bytram> nope! Was fortuante to never have to use it but rarely
[00:41:37] <Bytram> and even then, just used whatever they had set up, plugged in the filname or whatever and that was that
[00:41:51] <Bytram> that was more on the MFT, MVT, and MVS side of things
[00:42:07] * NCommander notes if I could just get Motif to be slightly less braindead, this would actually be a very nice experience all around
[00:42:29] <NCommander> I got alt-tab working, though the behavior is not what I call great
[00:42:35] <Bytram> yep, back in the day, motif was actually pretty slick!
[00:42:47] <NCommander> Honestly, its just the alt-tab behavior that's bothering me
[00:43:22] <chromas> Did they have alt keys back then?
[00:43:31] <NCommander> Right next to meta :)
[00:43:59] * NCommander notes somewhere an emacs user looked up before crying
[00:44:13] * chromas notices some linux programs call the win key meta while others call it super
[00:44:42] <chromas> emacs would be better if the modifiers were toe-operated pedals
[00:44:49] <NCommander> Technically speaking, PS/2 compatible keyboards have no direct analogue to meta. It was a modifier very similar to Alt-Gr
[00:47:42] <NCommander> root@DD-WRT:/# nano etc/apt/sources.list
[00:47:42] <NCommander> Error opening terminal: dtterm.
[00:47:50] * NCommander is slightly amused the terminal is having some issues
[00:48:31] <chromas> oh, it's terminal
[00:48:36] * chromas grabs the rifle
[00:53:22] * Bytram gets a tear in his eye thinking of Old Yeller... or was it, The Yearling?
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[01:16:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Close to Completion of Synthetic Yeast Genome - http://sylnt.us - homemade-bread
[01:16:49] <chromas> synthbeer
[02:12:15] <paulej72> chromas escape, alt control win opt all on a set of foot pedals. that would be cool
[02:12:36] <paulej72> shit throw in shift in there as well
[02:13:24] <paulej72> lets start a kickstarter page
[02:13:41] <paulej72> bluetooth and usb connected
[02:14:36] <NCommander> paulej72, can I get a dvorak version of that?
[02:15:57] <paulej72> yeah
[02:16:02] <chromas> Would they be mapped to different toes?
[02:16:32] <paulej72> think organ pedals
[02:21:23] <chromas> Wow. Just think, they'd let you do anything. Grab 'em by the win key
[02:21:33] <NCommander> Maybe I should crap out an article on CDE
[02:25:37] <chromas> Agreed
[03:18:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Selects 133 R&D Proposals From Small Business - http://sylnt.us - to-infinity-and-beyond
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[07:26:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Vancouver Bans Cetacean Captivity - http://sylnt.us - now-who'll-splash-the-crowds?
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[10:25:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Canada Says It Won't Attend Special 301 Hearing - http://sylnt.us - lobbyists-all-the-way-down
[10:55:17] <paulej72> ~weather
[10:55:19] <exec> 10Princeton, NJ, USA - currently 15°F / -9°C, clear, wind S at 0 mph, humidity 59% - Monday partly cloudy (27°F:38°F / -3°C:3°C), Tuesday rain and snow (22°F:33°F / -6°C:1°C), Wednesday cloudy (18°F:28°F / -8°C:-2°C), Thursday mostly sunny (18°F:36°F / -8°C:2°C)
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[11:29:25] <paulej72> coffee++
[11:29:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3268
[11:56:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Americans Feel Unsafe Sharing the Road With Fully Self-Driving Cars - http://sylnt.us - maybe-they-saw-I,Robot
[12:00:01] <clorox|2> auto autos
[12:42:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:42:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3269
[12:45:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Does Border Drop Mean Trump's Tough Talk is Working? - http://sylnt.us - betteridge's-law-says...
[12:47:16] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:47:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3270
[12:47:24] <Bytram> ~define 3270
[12:47:25] <exec> 3270: unable to find definition
[12:47:28] <Bytram> lol
[12:48:16] <Bytram> For those who may not be aware way back in the day 3270 was synonymous with IBM computer terminal.
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[13:10:45] <paulej72> Bytram: I have seen that in termcap entries
[13:11:00] <Bytram> LOL!
[13:18:51] * TheMightyBuzzard is currently building an enormous, hidden, underground stronghold in minecraft
[13:24:05] <Bytram> http://www.bbc.co.uk
[13:24:08] <exec> └─ 13Intel makes $15bn bet on driverless cars - BBC News
[13:26:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amazon Adjusts Alexa after Viral Video - http://sylnt.us - Truffaldino
[13:27:57] <Bytram> break time
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[13:41:19] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v janrinok] by Aphrodite
[13:41:22] <exec> welcome janrinok: Paimpol, France, 12°C/53°F, 2:41 pm GMT+1, Monday, 13 March 2017
[13:41:22] <exec> welcome janrinok: Paimpol, France, 12°C/53°F, 2:41 pm GMT+1, Monday, 13 March 2017
[13:44:24] <Bytram> !uid
[13:44:24] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6519, owned by Soylentbob
[13:44:39] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[13:44:40] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 12°F, mostly sunny, wind W at 10 mph, humidity 63% - Monday partly cloudy (2°F:25°F), Tuesday snow (19°F:25°F), Wednesday snow (17°F:31°F), Thursday snow showers (10°F:26°F)
[13:44:43] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[13:44:45] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 16°F, sunny, wind W at 8 mph, humidity 46% - Monday mostly sunny (21°F:29°F), Tuesday heavy snow storm (24°F:30°F), Wednesday mostly cloudy (18°F:33°F), Thursday partly cloudy (13°F:29°F)
[13:44:46] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[13:44:48] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 19°F, sunny, wind W at 15 mph, humidity 38% - Monday mostly sunny (25°F:34°F), Tuesday heavy snow storm (22°F:35°F), Wednesday cloudy (19°F:33°F), Thursday mostly sunny (17°F:32°F)
[13:44:52] <Bytram> ~weather baltimore
[13:44:54] <exec> 10Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 29°F, partly cloudy, wind NE at 7 mph, humidity 42% - Monday partly cloudy (34°F:43°F), Tuesday snow (25°F:37°F), Wednesday cloudy (21°F:31°F), Thursday mostly sunny (20°F:37°F)
[13:45:01] <Bytram> ~weather miami
[13:45:03] <exec> 10Miami, FL, USA - currently 76°F, partly cloudy, wind SE at 8 mph, humidity 77% - Monday partly cloudy (70°F:81°F), Tuesday partly cloudy (56°F:84°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (52°F:75°F), Thursday sunny (56°F:72°F)
[13:45:03] <paulej72> we are expecting 12" tomorrow
[13:46:19] <paulej72> ~weather
[13:46:21] <exec> 10Princeton, NJ, USA - currently 23°F / -5°C, sunny, wind N at 5 mph, humidity 49% - Monday partly cloudy (27°F:38°F / -3°C:3°C), Tuesday rain and snow (22°F:33°F / -6°C:1°C), Wednesday cloudy (18°F:28°F / -8°C:-2°C), Thursday mostly sunny (18°F:37°F / -8°C:3°C)
[13:46:22] <Bytram> we are expectin 12"-20"
[13:46:51] <paulej72> but you can handle that we will be burried
[13:47:04] <Bytram> lol, yuppers
[13:48:27] <Bytram> I recall seeing all manner of vehicle with a plow put on it being contracted into service when I lived in the Boston area... even an 18-wheeler cab (i.e. without trailer) -- one of the strangest-looking things I've ever seen
[13:49:46] <Bytram> when you know you get regularly get large amounts of snow, it makes sense to purchase and maintain purpose-built vehicles to deal with it. Mostly dump trucks with full-sixed plows and a sweep plow on the side -- can clear nearly two lanes in one pass.
[13:50:59] <Bytram> OTOH, in parking lots, there tend to be massive front-end-loaders with a 25-30 foot plow strapped to the front of the bucket... rather impressive to watch 'em in action!
[13:51:26] <paulej72> just don't park too close
[13:52:07] <janrinok> ~gday paulej72
[13:52:08] * exec abnormally reticulates a bucket of sadness for paulej72
[13:52:13] <janrinok> ~gday Bytram
[13:52:14] * exec hideously pilfers a bribe of maturity juice from Bytram
[13:52:17] <Bytram> I have not, as yet, seen or heard of any impacts in parking lots... and I work at a large shopping mall... if it had happened, I'm sure I would have heard about it.
[13:52:18] <Bytram> ~gday janrinok
[13:52:20] * exec readily formulates a byte of snack bar for janrinok
[13:53:12] <Bytram> well, I'd like to thnk that I would have heard about it... I suspect the mall would prefer that word of such things did not get too wide an airing!
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[13:53:23] <exec> welcome FatPhil: Tallinn, Estonia, 2°C/36°F, 3:53 pm GMT+2, Monday, 13 March 2017
[13:53:39] <FatPhil> ~submit https://www.cfa.harvard.edu
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[13:54:10] <exec> welcome FatPhil: Tallinn, Estonia, 2°C/36°F, 3:54 pm GMT+2, Monday, 13 March 2017
[13:54:10] <janrinok> ~gday FatPhil
[13:54:12] * exec skeptically derives a sweaty armpit of tea from FatPhil
[13:54:13] * Bytram taps exec on the shoulder
[13:54:27] <FatPhil> ~gday janrinok
[13:54:29] * exec deliciously separates a lifetime supply of aqu4 burritos from janrinok
[13:54:50] <FatPhil> you can have my sweaty armpit of tea, I wasn't using it any more
[13:54:59] * FatPhil puts the kettle on
[13:58:25] <FatPhil> 'Continuing on towards the crossing despite the red light, the Toyota's driver overtook the cars already waiting and collided with an Elron passenger train ...' we've got the best local news, we do. The best.
[14:01:06] <FatPhil> Guess what the result was: http://s.err.ee
[14:04:57] <FatPhil> ~submit https://www.cfa.harvard.edu
[14:05:03] <exec> error: title not found or empty
[14:05:43] <FatPhil> <title>Could Fast Radio Bursts Be Powering Alien Probes?2017-09 | www.cfa.harvard.edu/</title>
[14:05:51] * FatPhil slaps exec
[14:06:17] <janrinok> train 1 car 0
[14:06:31] <Bytram> FatPhil: ISTR that had already been submitted? not sure.
[14:06:46] <janrinok> yup, I've certainly read it recently
[14:07:19] <AndyTheAbsurd> janrinok: car drivers need to learn that a train will ALWAYS win.
[14:07:20] <FatPhil> Ah, I missed it
[14:07:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> I've seen the results of that fight more than once.
[14:07:44] <Bytram> I dunno about your score card... look at how the front wheel-set seems to be missing from the train
[14:10:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> I didn't say that trains never take any damage in the process. (In fact, I'm pretty sure I've never seen an incident where the train didn't need *some* repairs before going back into service.) But the cars tend to be totalled.
[14:11:52] <janrinok> any survivors from that latest crash?
[14:12:57] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: sorry, I was referring to janrinok's score card... yes, cars tend to not fare well at all in such meetings... something about mass and momentum.
[14:13:18] <FatPhil> Bytram: no bogeys that far forward: https://en.wikipedia.org
[14:13:20] <exec> └─ 13File:Stadler Flirt Keila jaamas1.jpg - Wikipedia
[14:14:08] <Bytram> FatPhil: Huh! I stand (ummm, sit) corrected!
[14:14:22] <FatPhil> I remember a mate had a citroen AX that was totalled when a biker t-boned him!
[14:14:31] <FatPhil> however, the masses were probably the same
[14:14:40] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:14:56] <Bytram> how did things work out for the biker?
[14:15:00] <Bytram> prolly not good, I fear
[14:15:33] <FatPhil> I think he just parabolad over the bonnet, and rolled. So battered, but not mashed.
[14:16:21] <Bytram> so glad to hear!
[14:16:27] * Bytram was once driving on the interstate when an impatient biker thought 60-70 mph was not fast enough and was weaving through traffic... saw him pass on the right by going into the breakdown lane...
[14:16:28] <janrinok> well the car passenger door is still closed, so no-one came out through there, but I can't tell if the driver was lifted out alive
[14:17:08] * Bytram and I thought to myself he's giving bikers a bad name. Five minutes later I came upon an accident. Biker had rear-ended a car that had broken down and was left in the break down lane.
[14:17:23] <FatPhil> contents of car = dead + dead. Damage to train = scratches.
[14:17:44] <janrinok> k, that answered that question.
[14:18:02] <Bytram> he had been thrown quite a ways and was unconscious. less than a minute later another car stopped and they said they were a nurse.
[14:18:15] <FatPhil> I will admit as a pedal biker, I almost always used to overtake on the inside when traffix was slow moving.
[14:18:22] <Bytram> I knew there was nothing I could do help so said a little prayer for him and contniued on my way... *without* speeding.
[14:18:35] <FatPhil> I'd never do that on my motorbike.
[14:18:53] <Bytram> wish I could "unsee" that.
[14:19:28] <janrinok> Bytram, understand your point of view, but even talking to those that might be suffering from shock after seeing the accident, or even being another pair of hands might sometimes be useful
[14:20:01] <janrinok> I always stop, at the worst it might mean losing 5 or 10 minutes
[14:20:34] <Bytram> nod nod, I was prepared to help in any way I could, but realized that any assistance I gave at that moment was likely to increase injury rather than help... maybe kept another passerby from "helping"
[14:20:39] <janrinok> and I can happily say there have been several occasions when by stopping I have made a B I G difference
[14:20:51] <FatPhil> There's one 100m section of road in Tallinn that's notorious for fatal accidents. A mate left my place after a tasting session one night, and 5 mins later sent me an SMS saying "20s ago, I nearly got hit by an out of control car, and now I've just seen a guy with his head hanging off inside"
[14:20:52] <Bytram> janrinok++
[14:20:52] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 51
[14:21:11] <Bytram> {{{ FatPhil }}}
[14:21:23] * Bytram cries
[14:21:57] <Bytram> just because I have not been in an accident for years does not mean I can't get into one.
[14:22:04] <janrinok> very true
[14:22:12] <Bytram> constant vigilence and awareness
[14:22:42] <janrinok> I've even helped with traffic control at the scene of an accident
[14:23:14] <janrinok> In Europe we have to carry hi-vis vests, fire extinguisher and first aid kits in our vehicles.
[14:23:15] <Bytram> hmmm, I'd not thought of doing that... thanks for the suggestion!
[14:23:32] <Bytram> sounds like an excellent idea!
[14:23:44] <FatPhil> With our Tallinn danger zone, it's almost always sporty (not taxi) BMWs. they're almost always young russian speakers, the passengers are almost always younger females they're trying to impress, and alcohol is almost always involved.
[14:23:55] * Bytram pauses and realizes he has none of those things in his vehicle
[14:23:58] <janrinok> if it reduces the rubber-necking it might also be preventing another accident
[14:24:31] <Bytram> nodnod
[14:24:32] <FatPhil> I always stop if there's a biker accident simply so I can shout "for fucks sake don't try to remove his helmet"
[14:24:57] <janrinok> In France, you have to have a hi-vis vest for each occupant of the vehicle in case you have to leave your vehicle at the side of the road
[14:27:19] <Bytram> FatPhil: good for you, and for them, too!
[14:27:21] <Bytram> http://www.bbc.co.uk
[14:27:24] <exec> └─ 13Intel buys driverless car technology firm Mobileye - BBC News
[14:28:14] <janrinok> latest news today is that Scotland wants another referendum on Independence. The once in a generation referendum that we had in 2014 is apparently not enough
[14:29:22] <Bytram> or, maybe, people are just having kids a *lot* earlier? ;)
[14:29:56] <janrinok> typical modern politics - we'll keep asking until they give me the answer that I want them to give
[14:31:08] <Bytram> or, maybe, now that we have voted for it, and I find out what it actually *does*, can i have a do-over?
[14:31:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> #weather Saint Petersburg, FL
[14:31:12] <MrPlow> Today: Cloudy this morning with showers during the afternoon. Thunder possible. High 76F. Winds S at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70%. Tomorrow: Cloudy skies early will become partly cloudy later in the day. High 66F. Winds NW at 15 to 25 mph.
[14:31:44] <Bytram> ~weather negril
[14:31:46] <exec> 10Negril, Jamaica - currently 82°F, mostly sunny, wind E at 4 mph, humidity 65% - Monday scattered showers (75°F:86°F), Tuesday showers (75°F:85°F), Wednesday showers (74°F:83°F), Thursday partly cloudy (75°F:83°F)
[14:32:07] <janrinok> sounds like I could enjoy living there
[14:32:08] <Bytram> ~weather riyadh
[14:32:10] <exec> 10Riyadh Saudi Arabia - currently 79°F, mostly cloudy, wind S at 10 mph, humidity 40% - Monday rain (63°F:81°F), Tuesday mostly sunny (59°F:82°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (64°F:82°F), Thursday partly cloudy (61°F:87°F)
[14:32:15] <FatPhil> I used to be a "lets slowly give Scotland more and more autonomy, such that they're independent in 50 years" kinda guy. Now I'm more "They can't do a worse job than Westminster, it's theirs if they want it"
[14:32:22] <janrinok> but I don't want to live there
[14:32:59] <FatPhil> ~weather auckland
[14:33:01] <exec> 10Auckland, New Zealand - currently 60°F / 16°C, mostly cloudy, wind W at 11 mph, humidity 82% - Monday mostly cloudy (56°F:73°F / 13°C:23°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (55°F:68°F / 13°C:20°C), Wednesday mostly sunny (54°F:72°F / 12°C:22°C), Thursday mostly sunny (58°F:70°F / 14°C:21°C)
[14:33:06] <janrinok> they just don't want to leave the EU, despite the majority (just) saying 'leave'
[14:33:08] * Bytram twice spent a week on vacation in Negril at an all-inclusive... expensive, but many good memories.
[14:33:21] <Bytram> ~weather nome
[14:33:23] <exec> 10Nome, AK, USA - currently 5°F, cloudy, wind N at 4 mph, humidity 80% - Monday partly cloudy (-8°F:17°F), Tuesday partly cloudy (-8°F:12°F), Wednesday sunny (-12°F:7°F), Thursday mostly sunny (-5°F:9°F)
[14:33:47] <Bytram> ~weather Delhi
[14:33:48] <exec> 10Delhi, India - currently 65°F, haze, wind NW at 6 mph, humidity 46% - Monday clear with periodic clouds (50°F:75°F), Tuesday mostly sunny (54°F:80°F), Wednesday mostly sunny (57°F:83°F), Thursday sunny (57°F:85°F)
[14:33:59] <FatPhil> janrinok: scots are strongly pro europe, so I don't think westminster has the right to pull that carpet out from under their feet.
[14:34:30] <Bytram> ~weather graz
[14:34:32] <exec> 10Graz, Austria - currently 55°F, sunny, wind S at 4 mph, humidity 32% - Monday clear with periodic clouds (30°F:55°F), Tuesday partly cloudy (34°F:57°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (38°F:61°F), Thursday partly cloudy (35°F:59°F)
[14:34:34] <janrinok> the majority do have that right though - changing the rules is not the correct solution
[14:35:19] <Bytram> time for me to get started about my day... so good to chat with all of ya!
[14:35:25] <janrinok> but let 'em go. Without an independent currency they will find it hard to meet joining the EU requirements
[14:36:02] <janrinok> unless they simply accept the Euro at whatever exchange rate is dictated to them
[14:36:02] <FatPhil> Estonia didn't have an independent currency
[14:37:42] <janrinok> and while the UK is a net contributor, Scotland will not be. So I can't see the EU rushing to support them other than to spite the UK's withdrawal
[14:38:55] <FatPhil> scotland's richer than (UK-scotland)
[14:40:31] <FatPhil> Maybe decades ago that wasn't true, and there's a stereotype that's easy to propagate, but there's way way way more shit-poor England than there is shit-poor Scotland.
[14:40:33] <janrinok> for now, maybe, but they won't want to be paying the contribution the the UK currently pays, yet they will want to receive all the subsidies that they currently do. It will not be a gain for the EU, who are already concerned with how to balance the books once the UK contribution stops
[14:41:30] <janrinok> The threat of a large bill for leaving the EU - even if paid by the UK which it is not legally obliged to do - is a one-off payment.
[14:41:37] <FatPhil> And I fully support the EU doing things to spite the UK, the UK's asked for it.
[14:42:24] <janrinok> I don't see anything wrong with the democratic process being followed.
[14:42:54] <janrinok> and there is nothing that says you have to remain a member if you decide that the club is not for you.
[14:43:04] <FatPhil> The UK isn't a democracy, it's a (democratically elected) oligarchy.
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[18:50:12] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[18:50:14] <exec> └─ 13SpaceX will try to launch, not land, a Falcon overnight | Ars Technica
[18:51:40] <Bytram> https://youtu.be
[18:51:42] <exec> └─ 13Echostar XXIII Hosted Webcast - YouTube
[18:52:06] <Bytram> https://youtu.be
[18:52:08] <exec> └─ 13Echostar XXIII Hosted Webcast - YouTube
[18:52:18] <Bytram> sorry. here's the background article: https://arstechnica.com
[18:52:20] <exec> └─ 13SpaceX is about to launch one of its final expendable rockets | Ars Technica
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[22:30:58] <boru> Is anyone here using Linux with UEFI? I'm taking a look at a colleague's lappy here (on which they want to dual boot winblows with lunix), but UEFI doesn't seem to want to boot anything. Recommendations?
[22:31:46] <boru> Tempted to nuke the thing from orbit and just convert to GPT.
[22:34:53] <Bytram> boru: I have no first-hand experience...
[22:35:11] <boru> Lucky you. UEFI is a fucking mess.
[22:35:12] <Bytram> but i have heard of issues of the order of installation being important
[22:35:40] <Bytram> can you boot from a USB stick?
[22:35:59] <boru> Aye, I've been able to boot from USB in all methods.
[22:36:03] <Bytram> nice
[22:36:13] <boru> I've installed a linux, even, it just won't boot.
[22:36:32] <Bytram> just a thot, install windows as the primary, and when s/he wants linux, insert the boot USB and have it then mount whatever extra partition you need
[22:37:10] <boru> Feh, not really optimal, alas.
[22:37:12] <Bytram> umm boot Linux from the USB and have thatinstallation mount whagtever extra partition you might want to access.
[22:37:28] <Bytram> no, but beats what you have atm, no? it's nice, if all else fails, to have a fall back.
[22:37:28] <boru> Yeah, I've been able to boot the USB and chroot the install.
[22:37:36] <Bytram> good good.
[22:37:50] <boru> Yeah, I suppose. I'm just aghast that this is the state of the art for Linux these days.
[22:37:54] <Bytram> is that flavor of linux known to be problematic with that brand/version of laptop?
[22:38:21] <boru> I've been through a few distros here; started with slack, then gentoo, then arch.
[22:38:44] <Bytram> oi!
[22:39:16] <boru> Ironically, FreeBSD worked flawlessly, though with GPT.
[22:39:45] <boru> Alas, they want the LK.
[22:40:12] <boru> Really, though, UEFI has all of the hallmarks of a solution looking for a problem.
[22:40:20] <boru> NFI what it was supposed to 'deliver'.
[22:40:27] <boru> It's an abomination.
[22:40:42] <Bytram> second-system-itis
[22:40:48] <boru> Software seems to be getting worse and worse.
[22:40:53] <Bytram> oh, we could make it do *this*, TOO!
[22:41:24] <Bytram> see, also: The Mythical Man Month
[22:41:31] <boru> Gimped BIOS doesn't help.
[22:41:34] <boru> Yeah, I have a copy.
[22:41:39] <boru> I use it to bludgeon managers.
[22:41:53] <Bytram> make not help them any, but it helps to vent frustration
[22:42:02] <Bytram> s/make/may/
[22:42:02] <sedctl> <Bytram> may not help them any, but it helps to vent frustration
[22:42:05] <exec> <Bytram> may not help them any, but it helps to vent frustration
[22:42:08] <boru> Quite.
[22:42:41] <Bytram> out of curiosity, what is "LK" ??
[22:42:44] <boru> I think UEFI has defeated me for tonight. Hopefully windows can do without it. I'll see tomorrow.
[22:42:49] <boru> LK == Linux Kernel
[22:43:03] <Bytram> ah. got it.
[22:43:36] <Bytram> well, not sure if I helped any except to confirm some of the things you've tried were not entirely out of the realm of reason. =)
[22:44:04] <Bytram> When it can't be what it HAS to be, then it has to be what it CAN"T be."
[22:44:17] <boru> You gave me someone to grump at, and comiserations.
[22:44:37] <Bytram> hth
[22:44:37] <boru> Heh, yeah, I have a rubber stegasaurus on my desk for that. Ducks are overrated.
[22:44:49] <Bytram> and I don't mean that in a flippant manner, either. it really does help!
[22:44:56] <boru> Aye, it does.
[22:44:56] <Bytram> boru: love it@!
[22:45:06] <Bytram> Rubber-Duck Debugging?
[22:45:13] <boru> Right on.
[22:45:29] <Bytram> had an excellent prof back when I was in college
[22:45:30] <boru> Funny story attached to this one, actually.
[22:45:43] <boru> It inspired a space bound easter egg one drunken night at the lab.
[22:45:47] <Bytram> one of the things he repeatedly emphaiszed was the value of reading your own code, from start to finish.
[22:45:56] <boru> Absolutely.
[22:45:57] <Bytram> tell me more
[22:46:22] <Bytram> are we talking about a physical egg or a software eastr egg?
[22:47:07] <boru> The latter.
[22:47:15] <boru> Well, not quite.
[22:47:18] <boru> It was just chip art.
[22:47:23] <Bytram> Okay, you have my attention... go on!
[22:47:39] <boru> There is a software easter egg, as well, though.
[22:48:31] * Bytram imagines a satellite primed and waiting for some random space debris to press a button and all manner of chaos ensues when triggered.
[22:48:41] <boru> Some lab techs and I were working late one night debugging a calibration program. Time got away from us, and we missed dinner, so we ordered pizza and got some beers.
[22:48:53] <Bytram> yep, been there
[22:49:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, does the hardware not come with bios as well as EFI?
[22:49:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> lot of them will have it as an option
[22:49:42] <boru> Whilst lamenting the fate of the dinosaurs, we decided an homage to their sacrifice by means of space bound vengeance was in order.
[22:50:05] * Bytram chuckles... go on
[22:50:22] <boru> Yeah, I reckon it'll be 5x5 from BIOS, I'd just need to convert the existing winblows install.
[22:50:40] <boru> I was just wondering if anyone had successfully booted a Linux from UEFI. Ever.
[22:51:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's a bit of a trick to booting a GPT disk from BIOS but it's by no means unpossible
[22:51:56] <boru> Anyway, back in the lab, I opened the CAD program for doing the chip floorplan and put in some chip art -- a stegasaurus, which made it to the fab.
[22:51:57] * TheMightyBuzzard always turns off EFI if such is an option
[22:52:27] <boru> Completely harmless, of course, but it is now in orbit.
[22:52:48] <Bytram> I *love* it!
[22:52:56] <Bytram> hackers++
[22:52:56] <Bender> karma - hackers: 1
[22:53:33] <Bytram> thanks for the laugh@
[22:53:37] <boru> The other one was software; the POST calibration program drives a beat signal to a solid state laser. Any old thing will do.
[22:53:52] <boru> So, I had it blast out the first names of all of the engineers in the lab.
[22:54:15] <Bytram> in morse code/
[22:54:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> here's the bit i always cheat-sheet off of: https://wiki.archlinux.org
[22:54:55] <exec> └─ 13GRUB - ArchWiki
[22:55:28] <boru> Functionally similar.
[22:55:38] <boru> Anyway, same system.
[22:55:44] <boru> Again, harmless.
[22:55:46] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders off in search of the other kind of grub
[22:55:51] <boru> Heh.
[22:55:57] <boru> I'll have a look tomorrow.
[22:56:38] <Bytram> boru: best of luck to you and thanks for the chat!
[22:56:54] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: bon apetit'
[22:56:56] <boru> Hmm, I might have just thought of something, actually.
[22:57:02] <Bytram> =)
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[23:08:07] <sedctl> <chromas> has booted linux from efi in a vm
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