#Soylent | Logs for 2017-03-07
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[00:37:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google, Microsoft Bump Bug Bounties - http://sylnt.us - loads-of-dosh
[01:03:10] <paulej72> Blender
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[02:16:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM Promises Commercialization of 50 Qubit Quantum Computers - http://sylnt.us - qubit,-not-qubert
[03:21:54] * Deucalion wanders through
[03:30:42] <Runaway1956> #submit http://www.china.org.cn
[03:30:46] <exec> └─ 13China to develop satellite-delivery rockets released from airplanes- China.org.cn
[03:30:52] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[03:46:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - DoJ Dismisses Child Porn Charges to Keep Tor Hack Secret - http://sylnt.us - we-could-tell-you-but-then-...
[05:27:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New and More Intrusive TSA Patdowns Coming - http://sylnt.us - just-drive
[06:57:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 915 Coins Surgically Removed From Turtle - http://sylnt.us - that's-a-lot-of-coin
[08:16:32] <chromas> somebody's playing shell games with their investment
[08:25:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ex Columbia Sportswear Employee Accused of Illegally Accessing Their Computers After Leaving - http://sylnt.us - quis-custodiet-ipsos-custodes?
[09:56:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Gene Variants Linked to Autism May Have Been Positively Selected For - http://sylnt.us - gene,jean
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[11:27:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Norway Says Half of New Cars Now Electric Or Hybrid - http://sylnt.us - front-half-or-back-half?
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[13:04:22] <Bytram> coffee+
[13:04:30] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:04:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3254
[13:04:33] <Bytram> !uid
[13:04:33] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6511, owned by lwr
[13:04:44] <Bytram> ~weather puerto rico
[13:04:46] <exec> 10San Juan, Puerto Rico - currently 75°F, light rain showers, wind NE at 17 mph, humidity 78% - Tuesday rain (72°F:77°F), Wednesday cloudy (72°F:79°F), Thursday partly cloudy (72°F:81°F), Friday partly cloudy (72°F:82°F)
[13:05:25] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[13:05:27] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 14°F, mostly cloudy, wind NW at 1 mph, humidity 63% - Tuesday snow showers (30°F:34°F), Wednesday rain (28°F:41°F), Thursday snow showers (9°F:36°F), Friday cloudy (-7°F:18°F)
[13:05:30] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[13:05:31] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 37°F, cloudy, wind S at 9 mph, humidity 61% - Tuesday rain (38°F:40°F), Wednesday scattered showers (36°F:51°F), Thursday partly cloudy (20°F:40°F), Friday mostly cloudy (7°F:31°F)
[13:05:35] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[13:05:36] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 37°F, light rain showers, wind S at 8 mph, humidity 68% - Tuesday showers (42°F:44°F), Wednesday scattered showers (39°F:54°F), Thursday cloudy (27°F:48°F), Friday cloudy (11°F:35°F)
[13:05:38] <Bytram> ~weather baltimore
[13:05:40] <exec> 10Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 47°F, light rain showers, wind N at 1 mph, humidity 75% - Tuesday showers (52°F:68°F), Wednesday cloudy (44°F:64°F), Thursday mostly sunny (42°F:67°F), Friday scattered showers (23°F:47°F)
[13:05:42] <Bytram> ~weather miami
[13:05:44] <exec> 10Miami, FL, USA - currently 72°F, mostly cloudy, wind E at 17 mph, humidity 66% - Tuesday mostly cloudy (70°F:77°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (69°F:79°F), Thursday partly cloudy (67°F:80°F), Friday mostly sunny (65°F:81°F)
[13:17:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Demonstrate New Type of Laser Using the AC Josephson Effect - http://sylnt.us - cool-laser
[14:20:30] <Bytram> time to get to work... have a great day everyone!
[14:48:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Big Hack - the Day Cars Drove Themselves Into Walls and the Hospitals Froze - http://sylnt.us - near-future-due-today
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[16:16:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - RadioShack Bankruptcy Savior to File For, You Guessed It, Bankruptcy - http://sylnt.us - so-it's-insolderancy?
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[16:17:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> LOL
[16:17:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> Radio Snack just can't catch a break, can they?
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[17:44:16] <mechanicjay> They stopped catching a break from me when they went from electronics hobby shop to cell phone and battery peddlers.
[17:45:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA to Create Bose-Einstein Condensates on the ISS - http://sylnt.us - I've-got-a-bridge-to-sell-ya
[17:57:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> I can't remember a time when RS didn't sell batteries
[17:59:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> but I do remember them going from "source of electronic gadgets in the front of the store to get 'normal' people in and source of electronics parts in the back to get the geeks in" to "glorified cell phone that might have a few CBs and cordless landline telephones and a handful of electronics parts if you're lucky"
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[18:04:40] <exec> welcome Runaway1956: Dallas, TX, USA, 18°C/65°F, 12:04 pm GMT-6, Tuesday, 7 March 2017
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[18:40:24] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[18:40:25] * exec arrogantly integrates a pint of cheese with TheMightyBuzzard
[18:40:47] <cmn32480> coffee++
[18:40:47] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3255
[18:42:02] <NCommander> AndyTheAbsurd, I remember when radio shack sold radios and radio components
[18:43:29] <cmn32480> NCommander - you had to have been in short pants at that point...
[18:44:37] <NCommander> cmn32480, well I was much shorter
[18:46:18] <cmn32480> not that there is anything wrong with being short
[18:46:25] * cmn32480 resembles that remark
[18:46:52] <NCommander> cmn32480, my dad and I assembled a transistor radio from rat shack in the raly 90s
[18:47:14] * cmn32480 is sitting in the jury assembly room w/ about 100 of his closest strangers
[18:47:26] <NCommander> cmn32480, I just served in a grand jury recently
[18:47:42] <cmn32480> had to be VEY early 90's... they started down the serious consumer path around 92-93, I think
[18:47:54] <cmn32480> thankfully this isn't that involved...
[18:48:17] <cmn32480> hopefully we all get told to go home with nobody getting picked
[18:48:28] <cmn32480> or 12 people other than me getting picked
[18:48:51] <cmn32480> NCommander - while on the grand jury, did you indict any hma sammiches?
[18:49:04] <cmn32480> s/hma/ham/
[18:49:04] <sedctl> <cmn32480> NCommander - while on the grand jury, did you indict any ham sammiches?
[18:49:06] <exec> <cmn32480> NCommander - while on the grand jury, did you indict any ham sammiches?
[18:50:00] <NCommander> cmn32480, no, but I was in New York City where that quote came from
[18:50:25] <cmn32480> at least the rules have changed and you are allowed to have electronics, laptops, cell phones etc.
[18:53:14] <cmn32480> WOOT!
[18:53:18] <cmn32480> released!
[18:53:23] <cmn32480> back on when I get home
[19:17:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Bubble-Recoil" Could be Used to Cool CPUs in Space - http://sylnt.us - fizzy-cooling-drink
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[19:43:25] <cmn32480> back
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[20:46:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - North Korean Missiles and What the US is Doing About It - http://sylnt.us - they're-MISS-iles,-get-it?
[20:54:47] <mrpg> NK is a spoiled kid and there's no father to give him a good spanking.
[20:55:42] <mrpg> That's why good wont prevail, we need batman for president.
[20:55:56] <cmn32480> but we got the trumpster
[20:57:33] <NCommander> It's really amazing how shitty multi-monitor support on Linux is
[20:57:35] * NCommander forgot
[20:59:17] <mrpg> Is video good in old machines (one monitor)? I had a P4 fail with lubuntu but it worked with windows 7
[21:07:57] <xhedit> radio shack used to have their own pc line - tandy
[21:09:10] <xhedit> NCommander: binary nvidia driver does a good job ... probably the only thing it does well, other than have better opengl support than mesa
[21:09:22] <NCommander> xhedit, works horrid if you need multiple GPUs
[21:09:37] <xhedit> I've had multiple nvidia gpus work fine...
[21:09:41] <NCommander> Non-NVIDIA GPUs
[21:10:01] <NCommander> xhedit, the NVIDIA driver "fakes" multi-monitor by creating a single large screen (TwinView), and then some magic tricks to make apps work as you'd expect them.
[21:10:15] <xhedit> yeah, it works better than xinerama ;P
[21:10:41] <NCommander> xhedit, if you saw my xrandr configuration to make an Intel GPU and NVIDIA GPU work side by side to drive multiple monitors, you'd probably have a heart attack
[21:11:31] <xhedit> i've seen some terrifying xorg conf
[21:11:59] <NCommander> xhedit, you're one of those greybeards that setup Xorg to make each X terminal act as a seperate instance/monitor :)
[21:12:24] <xhedit> i'm not a greybeard, i've only done that once...
[21:12:57] <NCommander> Honestly, given how poorly recent LXDE, Unity, and even GNOME handle multimonitor
[21:13:09] <NCommander> I'm about to compile CDE froms cratch and reimbrace Motif
[21:13:40] <xhedit> i wouldn't expect lxde to do anything fancy
[21:13:44] * xhedit uses xfce
[21:13:55] <xhedit> i know unity and gnome are raging dumpster fires
[21:14:05] <NCommander> xhedit, my task bar is stuck across two monitors and maximize goes across both
[21:14:19] <NCommander> Even though the window manager settings show that it detects HDMI-0 and HDMI3 in the right configuration from xrandr
[21:16:09] <xhedit> did you try lxqt for the lulz?
[21:16:24] <NCommander> Last time I tried that, X broke down crying in the corner
[21:16:36] * NCommander is rather sick with the idea that the desktop has to be so overly complex
[21:16:44] <NCommander> Part of me is tempted to get in a cave and go use twm of all things
[21:17:22] <xhedit> of *wm, i like icewm
[21:18:04] <NCommander> I used WindowMaker for the longest time, but got tired of it not supporting focus-follows-mouse
[21:19:06] <xhedit> my latest install all the desktops thing, I compiled the latest enlightenment
[21:19:09] <xhedit> it's not bad
[21:19:18] <xhedit> everything worked pretty well
[21:19:26] <xhedit> e18 i think
[21:19:46] <NCommander> I haven't used Enlightment in awhile, but I really don't want to be constantly recompiling stuff to update it
[21:20:31] <xhedit> that's fair.. well, there's always inferno ;)
[21:20:42] <NCommander> Plan9?
[21:20:43] <NCommander> Ow
[21:20:54] <xhedit> mostly.. haha
[21:20:57] <xhedit> it's really bad
[21:21:19] <NCommander> Yeah, the Go programming language's compiler is based on Plan 9
[21:21:28] <NCommander> I took a look inside that code base and ran for the hills.
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[21:21:53] <xhedit> would not have expected dis in go
[21:23:13] <xhedit> i wasn't real impressed with go, so i never bothered to do more than read a couple sample progs and meh out
[21:23:22] * NCommander used it for a project at an old job
[21:23:33] <NCommander> Really really hated it. I get why Google pushes it hard, but ... ugh
[21:24:30] <xhedit> i understand why people hate it but i'm stockholm syndromed for c++/c
[21:25:14] <xhedit> normal c++, not bjarnefucked rvalues are lvalues "modern c++"
[21:25:24] <NCommander> Even "classic" C++ gives me indigestion
[21:26:14] <xhedit> it's messy, but you don't gotta use rtti, exceptions, or templates
[21:26:26] <xhedit> i just like type safety
[21:26:38] <NCommander> xhedit, I've met very few programmers with the displine to actually do that.
[21:26:57] <xhedit> really, every project i've worked on basically turned off all those things :)
[21:27:06] <NCommander> And C++'s type system is very weak. I've coded in Ada. After that, you really begin to realize how much C++'s type system is kinda a joke
[21:27:27] <NCommander> Plus it's implementation of virtual functions can cause you to migranes and make debuggers cry in the corner.
[21:27:41] <NCommander> xhedit, you might want to take Rust for a spin.
[21:27:45] <xhedit> strong, strong types like haskell or ada are more like shackles, c++ types are like a gentle nudge you are doing something wrong
[21:28:22] <NCommander> I find the shackles do plenty in preventing stupidity
[21:28:36] <xhedit> well, worked on plenty of COM ... seen classes with over 300 vtables lol
[21:28:50] <NCommander> Ugh
[21:28:51] <NCommander> I just ate
[21:29:19] <NCommander> Given the technology available at the time, I dunno how Microsoft could have done better than COM/OLE, but I really really wish they found a way
[21:30:06] <xhedit> they could have less than 42 string types
[21:30:32] <NCommander> char, LPCSTR, STR, HSTRING, ...
[21:30:44] <NCommander> LPWCSTR
[21:30:47] <xhedit> yeah yeah, bstr is the only official com/ole string type, but that doesn't mean everyone isn't using CString all over their mfc and you still need uses_conversion everywhere.
[21:31:33] <xhedit> and magic TSTRING which compiles to char * or wchar_t*
[21:31:34] <NCommander> It's unfortunate C sucks that hard dealing with unicode
[21:33:29] <xhedit> something's gotta give when you are using a nearly 50 year old programming language ;)
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[22:16:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - I've Been a Software Engineer for 10 Years and I Can't Do These Interview Questions - http://sylnt.us - prove-Fermat's-last-theorem-using-only-a-protractor-and-straight-edge
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[23:56:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - WikiLeaks Says It Has Obtained Trove of CIA Hacking Tools - http://sylnt.us - year-zero