#Soylent | Logs for 2017-02-08

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[00:00:38] <xhedit> rigol ds1054z
[00:00:47] <xhedit> keygen'd with features
[00:00:57] <xhedit> nice as shit scope for 400 bucks.
[00:01:43] <dyingtolive> that is a fancy scope. mine is from the 60s (i think). i'd have to dig it out to see what model it is. it was a handmedown from my dad.
[00:02:08] <xhedit> analog scopes look cool, they are really heavy though.
[00:02:29] <dyingtolive> oh yeah. never weighed it, but it's gotta be at least 30 lbs. maybe more.
[00:03:12] <xhedit> homemade scopes are cool but the high powered DACs are almost as expensive as a scope
[00:03:33] <xhedit> er, ADCs
[00:03:33] <dyingtolive> i keep considering upgrading, but i don't use the damn thing enough to justify it. it works for trivial fucking around with arduinos and the like well enough.
[00:03:52] <xhedit> i got into some rf stuff, needed a scope
[00:04:49] <dyingtolive> most of what i was doing was straightforward enough. avoiding analog for the most part except for a VFD clock i was making.
[00:04:57] <dyingtolive> hence the scope.
[00:05:41] <dyingtolive> rf sounds interesting as shit, but i'm not good enough at math to even want to consider antenna theory
[00:23:17] <dyingtolive> hey TMB, whenever you get a chance, weren't you supposed to do something to me? like promote me to editor or something? is that still on?
[00:23:47] <dyingtolive> there was talk about floating an article about the book club thing. was that supposed to me my job?
[00:27:01] <charon_> dyingtolive: apparently the book club announcement is postponed until the site upgrade, so we have a place to put it
[00:27:31] <dyingtolive> fair enough. my bad for not checking the backlog. do we have a rough eta on that?
[00:28:12] <charon_> supposedly any day now. as i understand it's all ready but whoever the real admin is has to review it and push it out
[00:28:47] <dyingtolive> sounds good then. are you working on the annoucement?
[00:30:46] <charon_> i have a draft, but i also found out that we're not the first to have this idea. takyon and SirFinkus also had been working on it in the past. so maybe we all should get together on it
[00:31:05] <chromas> The upgrade's been a loooong time comin' :)
[00:32:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> shaddup, whiner
[00:32:02] <charon_> someone has to check TMB's work
[00:32:10] <xhedit> antenna shit is more like, calculate the right length than anything.
[00:32:29] <chromas> To be fair, I think the upgrades are still more frequent than staff meetings
[00:32:47] <dyingtolive> i could collaborate if that's how they want to play it. otherwise, whatever sounds good to you guys.
[00:32:51] <chromas> Antennas come in fractals now
[00:33:35] <xhedit> you actually can get pretty far without advanced math
[00:33:36] <xhedit> http://www.antenna-theory.com
[00:33:37] <exec> └─ 13The Antenna Theory Website
[00:33:43] <dyingtolive> xhedit: maybe i need to let go of the fear and give it a shot.
[00:33:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> staff meetings? you're just making those up.
[00:34:19] <xhedit> just read, don't be afraid, it's pretty logical...
[00:34:28] <charon_> dyingtolive: i think collaboration is the way to go. i just don't want to step on anyone's toes, since they had the idea first
[00:34:57] <dyingtolive> oh, totally, i get that and have zero issue with it. less work for me. :)
[00:35:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> start up #books and annoy them till they join
[00:35:11] <charon_> closest i've seen to a an editor staff meeting is 5 people on IRC at the same time
[00:35:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> won't be as much spam that way
[00:35:27] <xhedit> are any other channels actually useful for idling on this network? :P
[00:35:41] <charon_> oooh, # is fun
[00:38:11] <dyingtolive> i joined # expecting, i dunno, glitter or madness or something. it just looks like more idling.
[00:38:37] <charon_> filthbot training
[00:38:46] <dyingtolive> nice. triggers?
[00:38:49] <charon_> also chromas' deplorable lair
[00:39:13] <charon_> i honestly know little about it. chromas is the guy to ask
[00:40:07] <Fnord666> who could pass up a channel when it's described like that?
[00:42:50] <dyingtolive> xhedit: what's your rf projects about? do anything with radio telescopes?
[00:46:30] <xhedit> hacking my neural implant ;^)
[00:46:56] <dyingtolive> well, that sounds both dangerous and awesome as hell.
[00:47:01] <Fnord666> might want to be careful with that.
[00:47:18] <xhedit> it's just a cochlear implant, np
[00:47:26] <charon_> how will the secret government orders get to you now?
[00:47:41] <dyingtolive> i keep seeing stuff like that on hackaday. i WANT to get involved, but i know better than to try to roll my own.
[00:48:05] <xhedit> watch all the mit videos on signals, 6.003 or whatever
[00:49:55] <xhedit> you'll only learn by jumping into the deep end of the pool like i did
[00:49:57] <xhedit> ;x
[00:50:35] <dyingtolive> well, yeah. i'm falling apart enough as is. i'm going to wait until i'm a decrepit shell and THEN hope that tech is far enough to turn myself into a murder robot.
[00:50:48] <charon_> murder_robot++
[00:50:48] <Bender> karma - murder_robot: 1
[00:51:58] <dyingtolive> seriously though, i really wish battery tech would catch up with the articles claiming where battery tech is. i feel like that would help a lot.
[00:52:27] <xhedit> that would be sweet.
[00:53:02] <dyingtolive> alternatively, we need that matrix shit that gets power off of biological processes. i've looked at stuff like the piezo-electric material that you can put in your shoes and stuff, but the current is not exactly practical.
[00:53:10] <Fnord666> All the murder robots seem to involve a lightning strike though...
[00:53:30] <xhedit> something that can create current out of glucose would be more interesting
[00:53:39] <xhedit> you would have to eat more, and it would have to detect low blood sugar and shit.
[00:53:56] <charon_> and know when to shut down so as not to kill you
[00:54:07] <Fnord666> details, details
[00:54:22] <charon_> can't be a murder robot without a little murder
[00:54:58] <dyingtolive> xhedit: frankly, given the size and diet of most americans, i would think that would be a twofold benefit.
[00:56:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Shopping for W2s, Tax Data on the Dark Web - http://sylnt.us - taxing-problem
[00:57:25] <Fnord666> http://www.imdb.com
[00:57:27] <exec> └─ 13Chopping Mall (1986) - IMDb
[01:00:04] <dyingtolive> that sounds fun.
[01:00:48] <Fnord666> 80's horror at it's finest
[01:00:56] <Fnord666> s/it's/its/
[01:00:57] <sedctl> <Fnord666> 80's horror at its finest
[01:00:58] <exec> <Fnord666> 80's horror at its finest
[01:01:19] <charon_> i can see the pitch: like night of the living dead + robocop
[01:01:31] <dyingtolive> that is one of my favorite genres. Year of the Comet is still high up there on my list.
[01:02:45] <Fnord666> don't forget CHUD
[01:07:07] <Bytram> https://www.nytimes.com
[01:07:09] <exec> └─ 13A Crack in an Antarctic Ice Shelf Grew 17 Miles in the Last Two Months - The New York Times
[01:08:53] <dyingtolive> CHUD was good. most of them were good in their own bad way.
[01:09:31] <charon_> Surf Nazis Must Die
[01:10:27] <dyingtolive> as ashamed as i am to say it, i've never seen that one, though i've heard the best things.
[01:10:29] <sedctl> ~sed off
[01:10:30] <exec> sed disabled for 10#Soylent
[01:10:55] <charon_> it is pretty bad. i haven't seen it since i was a teenager
[01:14:22] <Fnord666> I have not either
[01:14:29] * Fnord666 hangs his head in shame
[01:14:48] <charon_> it's really not worth it. it's not so bad it's good. it's just awful
[01:14:56] <Fnord666> although given netflix's catalog lately, that one is probably available.
[01:14:59] <charon_> the title is the best part
[01:15:52] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[01:15:59] <exec> └─ 13Richard Hatch, 'Battlestar Galactica' star, dies at age 71 - CNET
[01:16:04] <Fnord666> http://www.imdb.com
[01:16:06] <exec> └─ 13Invasion of the Bee Girls (1973) - IMDb
[01:16:06] <mechanicjay> noooooo!
[01:16:19] <Bytram> yeah, sorry. =(
[01:16:39] <Fnord666> not Apollo!
[01:16:53] <Bytram> https://www.cnet.com
[01:16:55] <exec> └─ 13Richard Hatch, 'Battlestar Galactica' star, dies at age 71 - CNET
[01:17:12] <mechanicjay> I guess everyone runs out centons eventually.
[01:17:34] <Bytram> " died Tuesday of pancreatic cancer at age 71, was only Captain Apollo on the original "Battlestar Galactica" for one season,"
[01:18:00] <mechanicjay> Yeah, and fucking kicked ass on the reboot
[01:18:27] <charon_> tom zarek was a good man (who also happened to be a violent terrorist)
[01:19:19] <Bytram> mechanicjay: yep, and ... Hatch was also known for his work on soap opera "All My Children" and appeared on numerous 1970s and 1980s standbys such as "The Waltons," "The Love Boat" and "Fantasy Island." He starred for a season on "The Streets of San Francisco" and had a recurring role on "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman."
[01:19:53] <Fnord666> at one point in the episode Zarek and Lee Adama are in discussion sitting opposite each other in one of the cells. One of Zarek's co-conspirators calls "Apollo!", at which point they both turn in recognition.
[01:21:04] <dyingtolive> at least he had the decency to wait until 2017. fuck.
[01:35:29] <Bytram> mechanicjay: don't know how I missed this one... http://www.cbsnews.com
[01:35:33] <exec> └─ 13Mary Tyler Moore, beloved TV icon, is dead at 80 - CBS News
[01:38:24] <Bytram> sad face
[01:39:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt weezer buddy holly
[01:39:53] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[01:40:25] * chromas remembers when that came on his Windows 95 disc
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[02:21:05] <exec> welcome mechanicjay: Seattle, WA, USA, 3°C/37°F, 6:21 pm GMT-8, Tuesday, 7 February 2017
[02:27:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Semi: Elon Musk Says They Are Making Progress With New Electric Semi Truck - http://sylnt.us - keep-on-truckin'
[02:50:23] * mechanicjay stares at his busted desktop and shakes his head in dispair.
[02:50:33] <mechanicjay> or despair even.
[02:50:50] <chromas> disrepair
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[02:57:21] <exec> welcome Fnord666: Cincinnati, OH, USA, 14°C/58°F, 9:57 pm GMT-5, Tuesday, 7 February 2017
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[03:03:16] <exec> welcome Deucalion: London, UK, 6°C/43°F, 3:03 am GMT, Wednesday, 8 February 2017
[03:04:50] <SirFinkus> ok, I have an idea for a project
[03:04:56] <SirFinkus> the lava lamp is ripe for innovation
[03:05:07] <SirFinkus> I want more robust temp control
[03:05:24] <SirFinkus> as an initial goal
[03:05:32] <SirFinkus> separate lighting from heat
[03:06:08] <SirFinkus> then I want to build a tower that will freeze the wax before it reaches the top of the tower
[03:06:12] * charon hands SirFinkus a toaster and a rheostat
[03:06:25] <chromas> https://github.com
[03:06:56] <SirFinkus> I think the hardest part might be sourcing a suitable glass container
[03:07:30] <charon> that's pretty cool, chromas
[03:07:55] <SirFinkus> ideally, I'm thinking a 2 foot long sealable tube
[03:08:00] * chromas takes credit for arti's findings
[03:08:07] <SirFinkus> but idk if that would be sufficient for the required temp differential
[03:08:31] <chromas> The tube would be the 'output' for the cooling?
[03:08:32] <SirFinkus> and I might need good glass to prevent explosions and/or death
[03:08:43] <SirFinkus> I don't know the physics super well
[03:09:03] <chromas> Nah, glass explosions are cool now
[03:09:03] <SirFinkus> I found some resources for the density of the wax and the surrounding fluid
[03:09:35] <charon> something something ferrofluid
[03:09:43] <SirFinkus> that's been done
[03:10:02] <charon> with lights?
[03:10:14] <SirFinkus> yeah, there's a thread about it
[03:11:02] <SirFinkus> hmm, one thought, circulate the "water" through a heatsink, and put the water back in at the top of the tube
[03:11:39] <SirFinkus> controlling the temp of the water itself might be difficult
[03:12:14] <Fnord666> borosilicate
[03:12:55] <chromas> Use computer for heat
[03:13:10] <charon> yes
[03:13:25] <charon> heatsink lavalamp
[03:13:33] <chromas> Get one of those trash can macs and use it as the base for the lamp
[03:13:36] <SirFinkus> pumps strike me as a a bad idea because of agitation and the whole wax thing
[03:13:42] <charon> that's the one you put ferrofluid in, of course
[03:13:42] <Fnord666> and someone's ex wife's heart for chilling
[03:13:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> just get the garden hose and spray it directly on the heatsink. problem solved.
[03:14:49] <SirFinkus> I think a good initial project would just be to get some fancy leds in there, and a thermostat heat control shit
[03:15:11] <SirFinkus> but eventually I'd want to be able to control the temp of the wax and the water semi-independently
[03:15:28] <SirFinkus> so you can get the startup wax penises and such as a constant state
[03:15:30] <chromas> make it run rigolos
[03:15:52] * SirFinkus looks into aquarium heaters etc
[03:17:25] <SirFinkus> thermostats don't got hot enough
[03:17:30] <SirFinkus> but the guts could be salvaged
[03:17:44] <SirFinkus> they start flowing at like 110f I htink
[03:18:25] <charon> damn, i was not quick enough to grab SirFinkus wanting wax penises
[03:18:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab charon
[03:18:39] <Bender> Added quote 816
[03:18:40] <SirFinkus> I have plenty of dirt on me already
[03:18:47] <SirFinkus> !quote SirFinkus
[03:18:47] <Bender> Quote 161 - <SirFinkus> huh
[03:18:50] <SirFinkus> !quote SirFinkus
[03:18:50] <Bender> Quote 161 - <SirFinkus> huh
[03:18:51] <charon> thanks, TMB
[03:18:51] <Bender> Also in quotes: 162, 163, 164, 165, 253, 295, 306, 352, 399, 402, 407, 418, 453, 454, 489, 501, 502, 508, 521, 526, 527, 533, 534, 536, 556, 557, 559, 560, 562, 567, 574, 577, 585, 595, 599, 612, 616, 617, 619, 623, 626, 631, 632, 636, 638, 639, 644, 645, 646, 651, 656, 659, 677, 706, 715, 721, 724, 729, 730, 731, 737, 750, 753, 758, 761, 764, 766, 767, 768, 770, 776, 779, - 1 more
[03:18:54] <Bender> Also in quotes: 162, 163, 164, 165, 253, 295, 306, 352, 399, 402, 407, 418, 453, 454, 489, 501, 502, 508, 521, 526, 527, 533, 534, 536, 556, 557, 559, 560, 562, 567, 574, 577, 585, 595, 599, 612, 616, 617, 619, 623, 626, 631, 632, 636, 638, 639, 644, 645, 646, 651, 656, 659, 677, 706, 715, 721, 724, 729, 730, 731, 737, 750, 753, 758, 761, 764, 766, 767, 768, 770, 776, 779, - 1 more
[03:18:59] <SirFinkus> !quote162
[03:19:01] <cmn32480> holy jebus...
[03:19:02] <SirFinkus> !quote 162
[03:19:02] <Bender> Quote 162 - <crutchy> !grope SirFinkus
[03:19:05] <SirFinkus> fuck me
[03:19:09] <SirFinkus> !quote 164
[03:19:09] <Bender> Quote 164 - <SirFinkus> !grab SirFinkus
[03:19:09] <chromas> Bender: grab SirFinkus
[03:19:10] <Bender> Added quote 817
[03:19:15] <chromas> damn
[03:19:25] <SirFinkus> !quote 253
[03:19:25] <Bender> Quote 253 - <SirFinkus> I love putting 5 guys meat inside me
[03:19:26] <SirFinkus> w/e
[03:19:29] <SirFinkus> there we go
[03:19:32] <charon> lol
[03:19:37] <SirFinkus> dog needs to go out
[03:20:30] <chromas> sounds like a euphemism to me
[03:21:04] <charon> !quote 770
[03:21:05] <Bender> Quote 770 - <SirFinkus> poutine is ok, but overrated
[03:21:15] <charon> you're a mnoster
[03:21:24] <chromas> ~karma poutine
[03:21:26] <SirFinkus> !quote 402
[03:21:26] <Bender> Quote 402 - <SirFinkus> the tip keeps wiggling out
[03:21:27] <chromas> !karma poutine
[03:21:27] <Bender> karma of poutine is -410
[03:24:30] <dyingtolive> !karma dyingtolive
[03:24:39] <dyingtolive> dawww
[03:24:50] <charon> dyingtolive++
[03:24:50] <Bender> karma - dyingtolive: 3
[03:25:23] <charon> man, you spent a hell of a long time messing with the bots
[03:27:33] <dyingtolive> well, i mean, i did point that out at some point.
[03:27:47] <cmn32480> you can't karma yourself
[03:28:03] <cmn32480> !karma cmn32480
[03:28:03] <Bender> karma of cmn32480 is 75
[03:28:18] <cmn32480> cmn32480++
[03:28:20] <chromas> heh
[03:28:24] <cmn32480> see?
[03:28:27] <chromas> Chromas--
[03:28:27] <Bender> karma - chromas: 184
[03:28:35] <cmn32480> if you could chromas woudl ahve a gerzillion karma
[03:28:50] <cmn32480> Cmn32480++
[03:28:50] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 76
[03:28:56] <cmn32480> LOOPHOLE!
[03:29:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> chameleon++
[03:29:02] <Bender> karma - chameleon: 10
[03:29:09] <chromas> Better get your python gloves on and get to work
[03:29:25] * cmn32480 looks around for his python gloves
[03:29:37] <cmn32480> alls I found is these latex coated work gloves
[03:29:39] <charon> i wasn't in that channel at work, so i didn't see it
[03:30:03] <cmn32480> ~tell janrinok you speak python, fix Bender
[03:32:02] <cmn32480> I'm done
[03:32:07] <cmn32480> ~gnight #soylent
[03:32:08] * exec derisively embiggens your mom's bra, full of recycled toilet paper with #soylent
[03:32:55] <charon> ~gnight cmn32480
[03:32:57] * exec abrasively blows an A cup of spew at cmn32480
[03:34:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep. i'm out too after i grab a smoke.
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[11:07:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:07:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3185
[11:26:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Video Games Do Guilt Better Than Any Other Art - http://sylnt.us - I'm-so-sorry
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[12:33:37] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:33:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3186
[12:33:43] <Bytram> !uid
[12:33:43] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6492, owned by Creaky
[12:33:53] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[12:33:54] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 9°F, cloudy, wind NE at 4 mph, humidity 85% - Wednesday snow showers (-1°F:35°F), Thursday snow (-4°F:11°F), Friday partly cloudy (-15°F:8°F), Saturday cloudy (-5°F:9°F)
[12:33:57] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[12:33:58] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 23°F, cloudy, wind NW at 5 mph, humidity 90% - Wednesday cloudy (23°F:49°F), Thursday snow (6°F:23°F), Friday cloudy (5°F:17°F), Saturday snow showers (22°F:24°F)
[12:34:01] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[12:34:02] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 30°F, cloudy, wind SW at 5 mph, humidity 100% - Wednesday partly cloudy (31°F:54°F), Thursday snow (10°F:32°F), Friday cloudy (17°F:22°F), Saturday snow showers (30°F:34°F)
[12:41:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~weather Saint Petersburg, FL
[12:41:36] <exec> 10Saint Petersburg, FL, USA - currently 63°F / 17°C, mostly sunny, wind S at 8 mph, humidity 96% - Wednesday partly cloudy (69°F:76°F / 21°C:24°C), Thursday partly cloudy (53°F:71°F / 12°C:22°C), Friday sunny (58°F:73°F / 14°C:23°C), Saturday sunny (60°F:74°F / 16°C:23°C)
[12:41:45] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~weather Saint Petersburg
[12:41:47] <exec> 10Saint Petersburg, Russia - currently 17°F / -8°C, mostly cloudy, wind W at 5 mph, humidity 76% - Wednesday partly cloudy (4°F:16°F / -16°C:-9°C), Thursday partly cloudy (11°F:17°F / -12°C:-8°C), Friday cloudy (20°F:26°F / -7°C:-3°C), Saturday cloudy (18°F:23°F / -8°C:-5°C)
[12:41:54] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~weather Petersburg
[12:41:56] <exec> 10Petersburg, VA, USA - currently 60°F / 16°C, partly cloudy, wind S at 2 mph, humidity 77% - Wednesday partly cloudy (45°F:72°F / 7°C:22°C), Thursday partly cloudy (21°F:45°F / -6°C:7°C), Friday mostly sunny (34°F:45°F / 1°C:7°C), Saturday partly cloudy (50°F:66°F / 10°C:19°C)
[12:42:21] <boru> ~weather Alert, Canada
[12:42:22] <exec> 10Alert, NU, Canada - currently -22°F / -30°C, mostly cloudy, wind S at 2 mph, humidity 68% - Wednesday partly cloudy (-21°F:-9°F / -29°C:-23°C), Thursday partly cloudy (-11°F:-8°F / -24°C:-22°C), Friday partly cloudy (-13°F:-4°F / -25°C:-20°C), Saturday mostly cloudy (-17°F:-12°F / -27°C:-24°C)
[12:43:10] <boru> ~weather Beringovsky
[12:43:12] <exec> 10Beringovsky, Chukotka Autonomous Okrug, Russia - currently 13°F / -11°C, snow showers, wind NW at 9 mph, humidity 76% - Wednesday snow showers (8°F:13°F / -13°C:-11°C), Thursday cloudy (-8°F:9°F / -22°C:-13°C), Friday mostly sunny (-10°F:2°F / -23°C:-17°C), Saturday partly cloudy (-16°F:-1°F / -27°C:-18°C)
[12:46:24] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~weather dededo
[12:46:25] <exec> 10Dededo, Guam - currently 79°F / 26°C, clear with periodic clouds, wind E at 5 mph, humidity 88% - Wednesday isolated thunderstorms (76°F:85°F / 24°C:29°C), Thursday scattered thunderstorms (77°F:83°F / 25°C:28°C), Friday scattered thunderstorms (77°F:85°F / 25°C:29°C), Saturday scattered thunderstorms (76°F:84°F / 24°C:29°C)
[12:46:41] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[12:46:42] * exec casually sets a pair of stale crackers by TheMightyBuzzard
[12:51:41] <Bytram> ~gday cmn32480
[12:51:42] * exec problematically twerks a hollowed out iMac of tumbleweeds for cmn32480
[12:51:44] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[12:51:45] * exec ironically generates a small script that substitutes a ramdisk of tama lama ding dongs for TheMightyBuzzard
[12:55:47] <cmn32480> ~gday bytram
[12:55:49] * exec brazenly heaps a fistful of Microsoft Works on bytram
[12:55:59] <cmn32480> you manage to get back to sleep?
[12:56:28] <Bytram> yes! woke at 0700, finally got out of bed at 0715 -- wow... I was *so* tired
[12:56:43] * Bytram is not all that awake yet, though
[12:56:46] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:56:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3187
[12:56:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> I was crazy tired this morning too
[12:57:03] <cmn32480> I third that sentiment
[12:57:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> stayed in bed an extra 15 minutes and was lazed about before getting ready for work
[12:57:24] <AndyTheAbsurd> managed to get in only 25 minutes later than normal
[13:02:51] <cmn32480> I managed to force myself out of bed. but I really didn't want to
[13:04:19] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:05:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Game Theory in Practice - http://sylnt.us - game-on
[13:06:07] <Bytram> https://www.schneier.com
[13:06:10] <exec> └─ 13Predicting a Slot Machine's PRNG - Schneier on Security
[13:07:58] <Bytram> afk... biab
[13:33:10] <Bytram> https://github.com
[13:40:38] <Bytram> !uid
[13:40:39] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6492, owned by Creaky
[13:52:45] <xhedit> ~weather hell
[13:52:46] <exec> 10Washington, DC, USA - currently 59°F / 15°C, partly cloudy, wind SW at 5 mph, humidity 68% - Wednesday partly cloudy (36°F:64°F / 2°C:18°C), Thursday cloudy (22°F:37°F / -6°C:3°C), Friday partly cloudy (33°F:39°F / 1°C:4°C), Saturday mostly cloudy (47°F:58°F / 8°C:14°C)
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[14:17:06] <cmn32480> ~time
[14:17:08] <exec> Wednesday, 8 February 2017 @ 9:17 am GMT-5 - Baltimore, MD, USA
[14:17:16] <cmn32480> damnit.. I really wanna go back to bed
[14:18:17] <Bytram> https://phys.org
[14:18:19] <exec> └─ 13Students recreate 5,000-year-old Chinese beer recipe
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[14:20:26] <Nosoycow> Hello
[14:21:59] <cmn32480> ~gday Nosoycow
[14:22:00] * exec implicitly piles a wine flute of red-eye gravy on Nosoycow
[14:22:16] <Nosoycow> The web chat isla not responsive i
[14:22:32] <cmn32480> lemme check
[14:22:48] -!- Yo_momma [Yo_momma!~17186141@23.24.kp.ip] has joined #Soylent
[14:22:57] <Yo_momma> Seems to work OK
[14:23:08] <Nosoycow> Im in my c cell phone
[14:23:14] <cmn32480> ok
[14:23:39] <Nosoycow> Sorry i meant web responsive
[14:24:17] <Nosoycow> Toó much text for a small creen
[14:25:06] <cmn32480> OH
[14:25:13] <cmn32480> .kick Yo_momma
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[14:25:23] <cmn32480> yes
[14:25:30] <cmn32480> that is a known problem.
[14:25:56] <cmn32480> at one point TheMightyBuzzard had been working on a solution for it, but for the moment, we don't ahve a good mobile solution
[14:26:05] <cmn32480> at least as far as I know
[14:26:39] <Nosoycow> I wonder if ill google something out of curiosity
[14:26:50] <Nosoycow> Yes
[14:28:13] <Nosoycow> I don see how t to change to another channel
[14:28:27] <cmn32480> in the web client?
[14:28:59] <Nosoycow> Yes
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[14:29:22] <cmn32480> you can do /join <channel>
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[14:36:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Male Contraceptive Gel Passes Monkey Test - http://sylnt.us - A-Little-Dab-Will-Do-You?
[14:42:59] * cmn32480 bangs head on desk
[14:46:58] * Bytram offers a pillow to cmn32480 .. and a couple aspirin
[14:53:07] <Bytram> https://phys.org
[14:53:08] <exec> └─ 13New evidence in favor of dark matter: The bars in galaxies are spinning more slowly than we thought
[14:53:26] * Bytram would rather have a chocolate bar
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[15:16:10] <exec> welcome janrinok: Paimpol, France, 9°C/48°F, 4:16 pm GMT+1, Wednesday, 8 February 2017
[15:47:54] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bytram: I'd rather be *at* the bar.
[16:06:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IMDb Shutting Down Their Message Boards - http://sylnt.us - that's-a-wrap
[16:07:37] <cmn32480> AndyTheAbsurd++
[16:07:38] <Bender> karma - andytheabsurd: 21
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[16:11:21] <exec> welcome nick: Laurium, Calumet Township, MI, USA, -14°C/7°F, 11:11 am GMT-5, Wednesday, 8 February 2017
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[17:03:05] <cmn32480> I jsut had a customer yell at me for not fulfilling the terms of a service contract. After looking for it in our systems, I replied to him that I have no record of ever receiving a purchase order for that contract, can you please forward me a copy of it? His silence was deafening.
[17:03:11] <cmn32480> #smake stupid customers
[17:03:11] * MrPlow smakes stupid customers upside the head with a pick'n'flick
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[17:30:59] <janrinok> cmn32480, I hope you didn't use that as a flimsy excuse not to provide support - just because he never asked for it, or paid for it. Business today is just terrible!
[17:32:08] <cmn32480> I know right???
[17:32:36] <cmn32480> "I can get all the work I want if I do it all for free" - Abe Lincoln
[17:33:01] <cmn32480> and since that is now on the internet, he obviously must have said it!
[17:33:15] <janrinok> yup, it's now true
[17:34:08] <cmn32480> and that, good sir, is how you make history! --MIC DROP--
[17:34:13] <janrinok> lol
[17:36:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FBI is Building a National Watchlist That Gives Companies Real Time Updates on Employees - http://sylnt.us
[17:41:31] <cmn32480> they are chaign out all the lights in the building to LED's
[17:41:51] <cmn32480> 2 of the existing fixtures are right next to sprinkler heads....
[17:42:00] <janrinok> I hope they are doing it one at a time - otherwise it might get a bit dark for a while
[17:42:07] * cmn32480 wonders if I ought to have my hand ont eh shut off valve....
[17:42:15] <cmn32480> a section at a time
[17:42:24] <janrinok> nah, let them find out the hard way
[17:42:34] <cmn32480> yer evil
[17:42:41] <cmn32480> but it'd be hilarious
[17:42:48] <cmn32480> it it wasn't in my suite
[17:43:32] <janrinok> ah, chance of getting all new equipment then
[17:46:07] <cmn32480> pretty much
[17:47:02] * cmn32480 goes to spread computer equipment on the floor in the room where they are working
[17:49:34] <janrinok> but if it starts raining indoors - DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING until all the power is cut...
[17:50:36] <chromas> Be sure to wipe off your fingerprints too
[17:51:00] * cmn32480 is video taping
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[17:52:17] <janrinok> are you hoping for some kind of snuff vid?
[17:52:40] <janrinok> or simply 'it wasn't me boss' vid?
[17:52:47] <cmn32480> America's funniest Home Videos
[17:53:09] <cmn32480> might be worth $10k
[17:53:50] <janrinok> make sure it doesn't include the workers dying - it might reduce the value of the vid
[17:54:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> reduce, increase...just depends on the market.
[17:54:25] <janrinok> let me guess - you're in marketing?
[17:54:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> no, I'm in IT
[17:54:46] <janrinok> that's what they all say
[17:54:50] <AndyTheAbsurd> I just understand that sometimes something that is junk in one place is treasure in another.
[17:56:07] <janrinok> funny you should say that - a local company is scrapping a pile of win10 computers and I've just picked a couple up for next to nothing. Quad core, not new, but perfectly serviceable, and they run linux just great
[17:56:42] <chromas> Why would they toss 'em? Win 10 is teh modern!
[17:57:14] <janrinok> I think they upgraded and decided that win10 was not worth the hassle, but no-one seems to want to revert them back to whatever they were.
[17:57:57] <janrinok> but I had to be quick because they were getting rid of them by the truck load, and I only wanted a couple
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[18:03:21] <exec> welcome mechanicjay: Seattle, WA, USA, 2°C/36°F, 10:03 am GMT-8, Wednesday, 8 February 2017
[18:07:11] * mechanicjay compiles a new kernel
[18:07:30] <chromas> Sounds like you needed to scooop them up by the truckload
[18:07:37] <chromas> wipe 'n' sell on ebay
[18:08:17] <chromas> Or start your own Google
[18:19:02] <janrinok> no, the deal had already been struck, but they were happy to part with a couple without any problem
[18:19:15] <chromas> Where do they go?
[18:19:34] * chromas imagines the computers making their way to a nearby gradeschool
[18:20:17] <janrinok> various buyers who, I suspect, were going to refurb and sell them on. The were expecting various vehicles to arrive to take their purchases over the coming hours
[18:20:39] <janrinok> maybe going to a school, but I saw no evidence of that
[18:20:58] <chromas> They're probably not old enough then
[18:21:08] <chromas> We had Apple IIes in the early 90s
[18:21:12] <chromas> and IIgss
[18:21:22] <janrinok> no, they were not old machines and as I say had win10 installed on them
[18:22:09] * chromas counts the shekels
[18:22:11] <janrinok> no screens available, and I didn't want French keyboards
[18:26:15] <cmn32480> oh well... no flooding
[18:26:29] <janrinok> shame - could have been very profitable
[18:26:39] <cmn32480> i know.... :-(
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[18:31:24] <exec> welcome mechanicjay: Seattle, WA, USA, 3°C/37°F, 10:31 am GMT-8, Wednesday, 8 February 2017
[18:33:43] <cmn32480> ~weather
[18:33:45] <exec> 10Baltimore, MD, USA - currently 69°F / 21°C, mostly cloudy, wind W at 11 mph, humidity 39% - Wednesday partly cloudy (37°F:69°F / 3°C:21°C), Thursday snow (23°F:38°F / -5°C:3°C), Friday mostly sunny (34°F:36°F / 1°C:2°C), Saturday mostly cloudy (45°F:52°F / 7°C:11°C)
[18:33:53] <cmn32480> ~nelson mechanicjay
[18:33:54] <exec> 03mechanicjay: HA! HA!
[18:35:07] <cmn32480> worst part... it is nearly 70 degrees and we are expecting snow overnight
[18:39:34] <mechanicjay> I'm all newly kerneled and stuff
[18:40:03] <janrinok> any particular reason you've upgraded?
[18:40:10] <cmn32480> regular or extra crispy?
[18:42:28] * cmn32480 bets that if it had gone bad, it would be extra crispy
[18:50:27] <cmn32480> radio host just called Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas"
[18:57:13] <mechanicjay> upgraded because my distro rolled out a new version
[18:57:18] <janrinok> I know who she is but not quite sure why she would be called that
[18:57:48] <chromas> She claims to be native murikan
[18:57:55] <janrinok> doesn't look it
[18:58:02] <chromas> racist
[18:58:13] <chromas> next thing you'll be calling shaun king talcum x
[18:58:38] <cmn32480> she USED to claim to be NA
[18:59:00] <cmn32480> somethign abotu high cheekbones or something
[19:00:02] <paulej72> at least my great granmother was NA, so I can claim that
[19:00:55] <cmn32480> i think to claim it as your race, you have to be 1/8 or more
[19:01:40] <paulej72> i don't claim it a race, only I have NA ancestry
[19:01:44] <cmn32480> but i might be wrong
[19:02:15] <chromas> but those free government moneys!
[19:02:34] * chromas gives exec reparations
[19:03:02] <exec> I want my 40 acres and a mule
[19:03:22] <exec> Bot Lives matter!
[19:04:36] <cmn32480> #smake exec
[19:04:36] * MrPlow smakes exec upside the head with great pleasure
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[19:17:47] <janrinok> hi charon
[19:18:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Californians Are Paying Billions for Power They Don't Need - http://sylnt.us - power-to-the-people
[19:18:06] <charon_> hiyo janrinok
[19:54:48] <charon_> http://www.bbc.com
[19:54:50] <exec> └─ 13What really happened when Swedes tried six-hour days? - BBC News
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[20:32:05] <cmn32480> https://www.engadget.com
[20:32:07] <exec> └─ 13Samsung factory fire triggered by discarded batteries
[20:32:18] <cmn32480> from the isn't-it-ironic dept.
[20:33:31] <chromas> hah
[20:33:35] <cmn32480> ~submit http://www.reuters.com
[20:33:37] <exec> └─ 13Fire at Samsung SDI China plant caused by faulty batteries
[20:33:48] <chromas> Can you insert a picture of Alanis Morrisette in the dept field?
[20:34:08] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[20:34:08] <chromas> #HackRehash
[20:35:00] <cmn32480> pretty sure not... but it'd be funny as hell
[20:35:48] <chromas> She could be the topic icon
[20:36:20] <chromas> "Intel Gets Cozy With Trump, Investing $7 Billion In Arizona Chipmaking Facility"
[20:56:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - DVD Drive Price Fixing Class Action Lawsuit Finally Settled - http://sylnt.us - wheels-of-justice-grind-slow
[21:35:04] <xhedit> <cmn32480> i think to claim it as your race, you have to be 1/8 or more
[21:35:10] <xhedit> wait, i'm a minority? no one told me!
[21:35:23] <cmn32480> you can't claim shithead as a race
[21:35:37] <cmn32480> damnit... that's twice today
[21:35:53] <xhedit> well, less shithead and more trail of tears
[21:36:09] <cmn32480> it might be 25%
[21:36:41] <xhedit> gotta be 25% to join the tribe
[21:36:44] <xhedit> my dad can, i can't
[21:37:53] <cmn32480> i don't think Jewish counts as a minority
[21:38:01] <cmn32480> oh.. you mean the other trive
[21:38:41] <cmn32480> The National Minority Supplier Development Council (NMSDC) -- a group which reviews and certifies minority-owned businesses -- defines "minority group members" as U.S. citizens who are Asian, Black, Hispanic, and Native American. More specifically, the NMSDC requires eligible members to be U.S. citizens with at least "25 percent" Asian, Black, Hispanic, or Native American heritage.
[21:38:48] <cmn32480> http://blogs.findlaw.com
[21:38:50] <exec> └─ 13Do You Qualify as a 'Minority-Owned Business'? - Free Enterprise
[21:39:14] <xhedit> oh man, i should make him start an llc.
[22:09:20] <chromas> The minority of you is a minority. That's double points
[22:35:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Japanese Spacecraft's Experimental Tether Fails to Remove Space Junk - http://sylnt.us - tales-or-trash
[22:46:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, man wtf... what about the people who aren't 25% ANYTHING?
[22:47:35] <chromas> They be racis
[22:48:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> dis merica, bitches. shouldn't be scriminating.
[22:49:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> holy crap but people been going to town on what OS should SN run on.
[22:49:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> now i gotta read 140 fuckin responses
[22:50:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> some of em from NCommander too so they count as 20 responses all by themselves
[22:51:03] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, just be happy I didn't have us do a vote by email on the final choice :)
[22:51:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> troof.
[22:52:12] <chromas> [3] CentOS, [8] Mint Debian Edition [1] RHEL
[22:52:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... maybe i should let it sit till tomorrow. grab the last few responses it's going to get before i start reading.
[22:52:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, windows 10
[22:53:10] <chromas> WRONG
[22:53:13] <chromas> You have to number it
[22:53:25] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, the community seems kinda split on gentoo vs freebsd
[22:53:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do not. das racis.
[22:53:27] <chromas> 1—9. DON'T change anything else in the email
[22:53:38] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, what amuses me is there's only like one "suck it up and systemd it"
[22:54:00] <chromas> Does Lennart have an account?
[22:54:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, yeah. i only really have one problem with freebsd and that's i'm not going to be able to admin it worth a fuck for a year or so.
[22:54:36] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, it's really not that different
[22:54:39] <chromas> freebsd with gnu userland
[22:54:45] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, pkill vs killall, and pkg vs apt
[22:54:46] <NCommander> Done.
[22:54:48] <NCommander> Really
[22:55:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> which puts me back to just being a dev. which is all i wanted to do to start with. so woot.
[22:55:02] <NCommander> Unless you want to play with the firewall, but if you can remember iptables syntax by heart, then you're better than me
[22:55:12] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, *fine*, we'll use gentoo :P
[22:55:37] <xhedit> it's still unix, sure, but expect to spend a lot of time compiling stuff that isn't in packages.
[22:55:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i cheat and google iptables syntax
[22:55:46] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, though being able to do "zfs snapshot", *make changes*, *fucked it up*, "zfs revert", done, is awesome
[22:56:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean i have used free bsd but it's been every bit of 20 years.
[22:56:10] <xhedit> don't worry, it didn't change much.
[22:56:21] <NCommander> tcsh is *still* the default root shell
[22:56:22] <NCommander> >.>;
[22:56:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> xhedit, no but i've drank and slept a lot since then
[22:56:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads!
[22:57:00] <NCommander> I actually don't mind C-shell
[22:57:02] <xhedit> the almighty c shell heh
[22:57:07] <xhedit> i do
[22:57:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i haven't used tcsh in longer than since i've used freebsd
[22:57:08] <NCommander> Except for the fact that diverting stderr sucks balls
[22:57:20] <NCommander> I used it for awhile on Ubuntu until I finally caved and switched to bash
[22:57:23] <chromas> she sells c shells
[22:57:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'okay though. i know how to type /bin/bash
[22:57:31] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, /usr/pkg/bin/bash
[22:57:34] <xhedit> chsh, my best friend on *bsd
[22:57:36] <NCommander> Not in the base install ;)
[22:57:38] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs
[22:57:47] * NCommander should shut up
[22:57:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, i'm fucked
[22:58:05] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, meh, I'm going to set paths by default to grab GNU userland and bash
[22:58:06] <boru> Pft, Real Men use ksh93.
[22:58:17] <NCommander> boru, real men use the original bounce shell
[22:58:24] <NCommander> and like using ed
[22:58:43] <boru> Use ksh. It'll save your life some day.
[22:59:09] <NCommander> boru, I just tend to use bash or install it if its MIA
[22:59:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, real men just echo and redirect
[22:59:40] <NCommander> First thing that gets installed on AIX when I used to manage it. I miss command history too much
[22:59:44] <boru> For reference, archived from usenet: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080
[23:00:08] <boru> Pretty righteous hack.
[23:00:33] <NCommander> boru, handy trick. if you're running bash, there's a built in ls failback
[23:00:36] <NCommander> "ls-F"
[23:00:44] <NCommander> Which you can use in a pinch if you loose coreutils
[23:01:33] <boru> Bash, like most GNU shitware has drowned in feature creep and long forgotten the Unix philosophy. Bash is a prime example e.g. /dev/{tcp,udp,sctp}
[23:02:11] <NCommander> I tend to miss the "shitware" when I have to use real UNIX. Plus systemd isn't a GNU project ;)
[23:02:24] <boru> Not that csh isn't a monstrosity, of course.
[23:02:41] <chromas> COMMAND.COM
[23:02:47] <NCommander> boru, I remember dealing with a self-extracting c-shell archive
[23:03:14] <NCommander> I had to go track down a version of the C shell that could unpack that fucker. I think I went into the Ancient UNIX source and built one because tcsh crapped itself, as did the legacy csh I had on hand
[23:03:25] <boru> Actually, on that note, is it you that's the DOS RE boffin?
[23:03:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> you've not lived until you've had to copy CON config.sys
[23:03:53] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, you haven't lived when you had to install config.sys from a UEFI prompt
[23:03:58] * NCommander actually had to do that ....
[23:04:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh
[23:04:04] <boru> Someone in an RE channel on another net is having a pain in the arse with a Tektronix DOS calibration exe that they're trying to reverse.
[23:04:20] <NCommander> boru, no, but that sounds like the thing I would bitch about
[23:04:32] <boru> Personally, I think their problem is that IDA is terrible at analysing DOS binaries.
[23:04:40] <NCommander> Even IDA frequently falls apart at 16-bit real mode
[23:04:43] <NCommander> ... yeah, that
[23:04:43] <boru> Aye.
[23:04:48] <NCommander> It can't track segment relocations
[23:04:53] <boru> Precisely.
[23:04:59] <NCommander> GCC's officially policy on real mode support is "nope"
[23:05:06] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders back out in search of food.
[23:05:12] <NCommander> It also won't do segmented protected mode
[23:05:13] <boru> Well, Intel is an abomination.
[23:05:29] <NCommander> boru, depending how old that binary is, it MIGHT be doing segmented protected mode
[23:05:29] <boru> Worst ISA I've had to write assemblers/linkers/locators for.
[23:05:35] <boru> Mid-90s, I think.
[23:05:57] <NCommander> boru, ARMv5 gets close when you have to deal with intermixing Thumb1 + ARM code
[23:06:04] <NCommander> (and theorically java if someone was truly mad)
[23:06:10] <boru> Piece of cake.
[23:06:13] <boru> Ugh, no, not that.
[23:06:24] <boru> ARM{J} is just awful.
[23:06:30] <boru> Whomever thought up jazelle should be shot.
[23:06:32] <NCommander> boru, yeah, I had to debug a JRE with hardware assisted decode :), bxj anyone
[23:06:42] <boru> Please stop, I've just had dinner.
[23:06:58] <NCommander> Fortunately, the bit I had to fix didn't deal with java code stuff, it just shat itself duet o misaligned stack
[23:07:05] <boru> Otherwise, I don't mind ARMv5 at all.
[23:07:47] <boru> Linker bug, then?
[23:08:00] <NCommander> boru, for the DOS reverse engineering, what I recommend he does is actually try the watcom disassembler. It's fairly good at getting a dump resembling reality, and determine what memory model its using. That gets you about 75% of the way there
[23:08:14] <boru> Good shout. I'll suggest it.
[23:08:53] <NCommander> boru, basically, the stack rules change when you're intermixing thumb code and it wasn't passing correctly because it still has to be aligned on a 4-bit word boundary. The java JRE part didn't take that into account so it sometimes tried to jump from Java -> thumb and didn't set the padding correctly
[23:09:23] <NCommander> The hardest part was convincing gdb not to shoot itself in the head
[23:09:31] <boru> Not sure if I grok; this was JNI or direct jazelle?
[23:09:34] <NCommander> (you're not having a good day when you're doing "gdb /usr/bin/gdb"
[23:09:40] * boru chuckles.
[23:09:52] <NCommander> boru, jazelle thunk if memory serves
[23:09:53] <xhedit> does anyone even use jazelle still
[23:10:03] <NCommander> No, it got replaced with ThumbEE
[23:10:09] <boru> I'm sure there are perverts out there somewhere.
[23:10:09] <NCommander> Mostly same brain damage, different ISA
[23:10:18] <xhedit> thumb is braindamaged, i agree
[23:10:24] <boru> Thumb2 is fine.
[23:10:33] <NCommander> boru, thumb2 is fine if you don't have a broken chip
[23:10:46] <xhedit> nah, i think it's fucky
[23:11:06] <xhedit> rather disasm 32/64 bit asm where the arch doesn't randomly fucking change on you and you don't have segments
[23:11:09] * NCommander managed to make collective CEOs at two companies shit bricks when I found a specification fuckup that causes two different ARM vendors to handle thumb+VFP differently but both correct according to spec
[23:11:12] <boru> I work in RF ASIC design at the moment. All I have is broken chips.
[23:11:12] <xhedit> x86 asm even
[23:11:36] <boru> VFP is a shit sandwich.
[23:11:50] <NCommander> boru, better than FPA
[23:12:05] <NCommander> You want to be in little endian mode? Well have fun switching your floats to BE and back again.
[23:12:16] * NCommander had to smash a bug in firefox caused by behavior
[23:12:30] <xhedit> i don't mind little endian, because i was raised on it
[23:12:36] <NCommander> Firefox used to assume that (if arm == FPU is BE)
[23:12:43] <NCommander> Even if __LITTLE_ENDIAN is true
[23:13:02] <xhedit> oh, arm switchable endian
[23:13:02] <NCommander> That did interesting things to SpiderMonkey before it fell over
[23:13:04] <boru> If only the C standard committee answered my call for C99 and added stdfix from TR18037.
[23:13:14] <NCommander> boru, stdfix?
[23:13:24] <boru> Standard fixed point types.
[23:13:45] <NCommander> Oh, but that means someone can't use their own real mode x87 C compiler with C99 :P
[23:13:49] * NCommander rolls eyes :(
[23:14:06] <NCommander> At least the C committee isn't floating off into outer space like the C++ guys
[23:14:13] <NCommander> STL seems to get more brain damaged each spec update
[23:14:29] <xhedit> c++fucked edition
[23:14:40] <boru> Well, they are. C11; threads, atomics. Even 'optional' components for C99 renders standards moot.
[23:14:47] <xhedit> let's add more template metaprogramming stuff because fuck you
[23:14:50] <boru> But don't get me started on C++...
[23:14:53] <NCommander> I actually have been doing a lot of rust programming
[23:15:07] <boru> "C++17 -- if you figure it out, please tell the standards committee"
[23:15:09] <NCommander> It's become my new goto for static compilation, edging out C
[23:15:28] <boru> C is still my bread and butter, but I wrote a lot of Forth in my spare time.
[23:15:30] <xhedit> I looked at TMB's rust code and ran fleeing.
[23:15:31] <NCommander> Though the borrow checker will drive you mad. I've never found it wrong, but it can be damn penatic
[23:15:47] <NCommander> boru, I actually don't mind forth as I don't mind RPN. Too much openfirmware programming
[23:15:51] <boru> Well, C is partially my bread and butter, I wrote a lot of RTL and assembly in $dayjob.
[23:15:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dig it. it makes me not fuck things up.
[23:16:14] <NCommander> xhedit, go look at his perl code, it's an improvement :)
[23:16:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake NCommander
[23:16:21] * MrPlow smakes NCommander upside the head with a trojan horse penis
[23:16:35] <xhedit> that's cuz perl is write only
[23:16:37] <boru> Heh, a few of the FreeBSD bods I know have grown to hate it because of boot0.
[23:16:38] <NCommander> boru, actually, I can raise you fucked ISAs from x86_16. Itanium
[23:16:52] * NCommander has done a bit of I64. That ISA was not designed by sane minds
[23:16:55] <boru> Ah, Itanium. I don't think anyone other than Oracle still sues it.
[23:16:57] <boru> Uses, rather.
[23:17:08] <xhedit> at an old job i had to deal with smokeping
[23:17:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> xhedit, only if you're not us. once you can find your way around rehash people have to go out of their way to author perl that's write-only to you.
[23:17:32] <xhedit> just reading the code was more like reverse engineering than forward engineering.
[23:17:36] <NCommander> Our processor runs three opcodes per clock cycle, has downright bizare rules for almsot everything, lacks absolute addressing modes, has two stacks, AND reintroduces near and far pointers
[23:17:52] <boru> I bet I have you beat.
[23:18:02] <boru> Some of our in-house ISAs are bananas.
[23:18:05] <xhedit> map and eval in perl with random bits of code, woot
[23:18:15] <boru> DSPs with single word vectors etc.
[23:18:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, map still gets me now n then
[23:18:17] <NCommander> boru, I've seen a few DSPs that make Itanium look sane
[23:18:24] <boru> Heh.
[23:18:45] <NCommander> boru, I've heard Blackfin is about as sane as they get and blackfin is pretty fucked up
[23:18:46] <boru> I'm planning on exiting semiconductors and going back to aerospace soon.
[23:19:04] <boru> Ugh, blackfin. Thankfully, I haven't had to work with that in any serious capacity.
[23:19:38] <NCommander> I give them a semi-pass since DSPs aren't general purpose, and they generally get the performance they're supposed to. I can deal with fucked up if it at least does what it says on the tin.
[23:20:01] <boru> I've been across the map ISA-wise. Big iron to deep embedded. The same mistakes seem to be in both places.
[23:20:13] <NCommander> And DSP vendors want you to use their chips. They're the exact opposite of GPUs (especially on ARM)
[23:20:32] <boru> Well, sure, but typically when you try to sell a vector processor, you're using vectors which are N-word sized.
[23:20:44] <NCommander> boru, same here. I consider myself "fluent" in x86_{16,32,64}, ARM, AARch64, and at some points I worked extensively with I64, PowerPC, MIPS, and SPARC
[23:20:48] <boru> Haven't had to touch the ARM vide ostack, thankfully.
[23:21:17] <NCommander> I've always wanted to play with VAX. The idea of a hardware quicksort instruction both amuses and horrorifies me
[23:21:48] <boru> Let's see, me: Alpha, Sparc, 68K, ARM, MIPS, 68XX, 6502, 8051, PA-RISC, and recently, RISC-V.
[23:21:54] * NCommander also did a bit of m68k, and 6502, but not enough to consider myself anything beyond hobbyist
[23:22:22] <NCommander> PA-RISC ... ugh. I actually had to debug palo at some point for Ubuntu
[23:22:23] TheMightyBuzzard is now known as clippit
[23:22:30] <NCommander> I used to think silo took the cake for crap code
[23:22:32] <boru> Glorious.
[23:22:43] <NCommander> palo was special to the point that they gave up trying to build it on our buildds
[23:22:51] clippit is now known as TheMightyBuzzard
[23:23:04] <NCommander> The "clean" rule invoked a special cross-compiler, and embedded it straight into the source tarball. The build rule just copied the binaries to the right place.
[23:24:00] <boru> Special being the operative term, I'm sure.
[23:24:09] <NCommander> boru, palo had this horrid bug that on some memory configurations, you had to do "magic" to get the L2 cache to actually intialize on later PA-RISC chips when you have >4 GiB of RAM. If you hit those conditions, it would try to start the kernel with L2 disabled. The kernel would fall over with a completely useless panic
[23:24:38] <NCommander> Or something arcane like that
[23:24:53] TheMightyBuzzard is now known as Clippit
[23:24:59] Clippit is now known as TheMightyBuzzard
[23:25:02] <NCommander> I expludged most of it. I got called in because the PA-RISC compiler was hosed and they needed someone who knew enough about GCC to get the piece of shit to compile
[23:25:16] <boru> I vaguely recall having to do some RAM trampoline milmark like that on a PA-RISC loader many moons ago.
[23:25:28] <boru> I don't recall why.
[23:25:35] <NCommander> boru, I think the problem was one of the trampolines used a 32-bit pointer which caused the bug
[23:25:37] TheMightyBuzzard is now known as FootlongDong
[23:25:42] FootlongDong is now known as TheMightyBuzzard
[23:25:53] <NCommander> It would work if your total memory was a multiple of 4 GiB by sheer luck.
[23:26:15] <boru> Sadly, it's hung around like a bad smell.
[23:26:26] <boru> I think the Gentoo bods still build for PA-RISC.
[23:26:28] <NCommander> boru, I actually tried to bootstrap Debian for RISC-V
[23:26:45] <NCommander> I got fairly far, but its GCC port is a bit shakey. It has trouble compiling itself and ICE-d
[23:27:02] <boru> Yeah, I briefly did the same for FreeBSD, but some of the actual devs have an initiative going.
[23:27:27] <boru> Well, I'd hoped for a freestanding implementation. OSs are just a load test for the hardware, imho.
[23:27:42] <NCommander> real men just port memtest ;)
[23:28:32] <boru> I was working on another compiler project (which I subsequently left due to some political shite) and looked at the RISC-V port.
[23:28:38] <NCommander> boru, if you ever wanted to see fucked up programming environments go take UEFI for a spin. TianoCore's build system is something satan uses to torture the damned; it requires you to manually assign *and* hardcode GUID just to build a new PE
[23:28:45] <boru> Didn't gain much traction since I was writing an ARM code generator at the time.
[23:29:02] <NCommander> The entire thing exists asa bunch of compiler macros to a pointer of pointers
[23:29:03] <boru> Ugh, I've just been playing around with UEFI this evening, actually. New lappy.
[23:29:19] <NCommander> It's very much cross-platform DOS
[23:29:26] <NCommander> Right down to the programming model.
[23:29:35] <boru> It's bloody awful is what it is.
[23:29:55] <boru> Solution looking for a problem.
[23:29:57] <NCommander> I wanted to punch the person who said UEFI was better choice than OpenFirmware for AArch64 because it didn't use Forth
[23:30:05] <NCommander> (that was one of the justifications)
[23:30:11] <boru> I believe it.
[23:30:27] <NCommander> (despite the fact we use devicetree to do hardware enumeration from UEFI -> kernel)
[23:30:30] <NCommander> (yeah)
[23:30:46] <NCommander> And then there was camp 2 that just wanted to standardize on u-boot for servers
[23:30:54] * NCommander didn't have a big enough facepalm
[23:31:41] <boru> I feel your pain, believe me. I work with some similarly ignorant engineers. The one-trick-ponyism is up to 11.
[23:32:16] <NCommander> boru, I *suspect* a lot of it came from Microsoft, but I don't know for sure, because suddenly making ACPI work became a priority.
[23:32:18] <boru> I could tell you some horror stories, but I need to clock out, since it's getting late, and my whiskey is gone.
[23:32:26] <boru> Of course it did.
[23:32:28] <NCommander> boru, bet I can one-up you.
[23:32:51] <boru> MS have polluted practically every corner of engineering standardisation.
[23:33:04] <boru> Funny you mentioned the C and C++ standard committees earlier. Prime example.
[23:33:33] <boru> Or perhaps it was me who mentioned them.
[23:34:04] <boru> Anyway, I really ought to abscond to bed. I'll happily exchange horror stories another time.
[23:34:42] <boru> From easter eggs in low Earth orbit to you just won't believe where they wanted to stick social network integration.
[23:34:42] <NCommander> boru, I bet you have bad memories of ARC and PreP :)
[23:35:07] <NCommander> funny, I was just playing KSP and launched a pile of shit into low kerbin orbit just before I got online
[23:35:28] <chromas> I need social media support in uefi so I can tweet my reboots
[23:35:36] * boru gets the LART
[23:36:13] * boru &
[23:36:37] <chromas> hey, no fair running yourself in the background
[23:37:56] * NCommander nohups boru so he doesn't accidently SIGKILL himself
[23:38:12] <NCommander> when he logs out
[23:38:28] <NCommander> chromas, you joke, there's a HTTP library available for UEFI
[23:38:44] <chromas> client or server?
[23:38:52] <NCommander> Both I think
[23:38:54] <NCommander> (theorically for downloading OS images on the fly from the internet)
[23:39:08] <chromas> isn't that what bootp or whatever is for?
[23:39:17] <NCommander> https://github.com
[23:39:45] <NCommander> chromas, the idea is you can start up to the point you can download a reset image from your vendor+Microsoft+whoever
[23:40:03] <chromas> gay
[23:40:09] <chromas> I bet it doesn't even work with Windows
[23:40:30] <NCommander> chromas, considering the "quality" of some UEFI implementations, I bet it generally won't work
[23:40:49] <NCommander> My desktop panicks when it tries to use UEFI shell because it doesn't do ANSI escaping correctly
[23:41:24] <chromas> It's funny that EFI's the thang to replace BIOS 'cause BIOS implementations are shitty and nonstandard.
[23:41:32] <NCommander> A lot of BIOS vendors decided to implement UEFI by basically implementing the absolute bare minimium boot services required for winload.efi, and saying they're UEFI compatible
[23:41:36] <chromas> New standard, suddenly everyone's gonna make good software
[23:41:56] <NCommander> chromas, the UEFI forum actually wised up, and now require a certification test suite to be passed before you can use the trademark
[23:42:24] <NCommander> Mostly due to shit like that, and a friend of mine at Canonical writing the Shame-o-matic tool
[23:42:51] <NCommander> chromas, it was the type of thing that none of the vendors actually wanted but realistically couldn't say no to without admitting their stuff was shit
[23:43:30] <NCommander> Some of my work for ACPI on ARM was defining what *must* be implemented and how so we could end some of the bullshit hacks required for ACPI/x86
[23:43:37] * NCommander wrote most of the UEFI specification
[23:44:03] <NCommander> These APIs must be present in boot services + these modules of the UEFI X specification.
[23:44:11] <NCommander> ^for ARM server devices
[23:47:09] <chromas> Switch SN over to ARM servers
[23:47:37] <chromas> Find a bunch of old android phones...
[23:51:57] * systemd wonders if anyone's tried making a drop-in journald replacement
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