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[00:57:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Vacuum Birefringence Observed Near Neutron Star - http://sylnt.us - it's-full-of-stars! || Deutsche Bank to Stop Financing Coal - http://sylnt.us - rolling-coal
[01:22:51] <SirFinkus> I made a shitty thing https://sendvid.com
[01:22:53] <exec> └─ 13zeroeffort - Sendvid
[01:27:44] <nick> i dont get it
[01:32:04] <charon_> i want a dune buggy
[01:39:44] <pinchy> git u big red 3 wheeler instead
[01:46:19] Bytram is now known as Bytram|file
[01:47:07] Bytram|file is now known as Bytram
[01:48:46] <SirFinkus> aren't those illegal now
[01:48:56] <SirFinkus> but that's the best chase scene in any movie ever
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[01:53:14] <charon_> far better than this one https://www.youtube.com
[01:53:16] <exec> └─ 13The Wrong Trousers - Train Chase - Wallace and Gromit - YouTube
[01:57:44] <SirFinkus> well, I did say it was the best
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[02:15:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SMB Zero-Day Affects Windows 8, 10 and Server Editions - http://sylnt.us - samba,-not-simba
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[02:19:30] <dyingtolive> i'd like feedback on an idea: https://soylentnews.org
[02:19:32] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | Sample Chapter of Book I'm Enjoying
[02:32:21] <charon> hiyo dyingtolive
[02:32:39] <dyingtolive> evening charon. or morning, or what-have-you.
[02:33:14] <charon> i think i will put together a sub to see if anyone is interested. probably would run it on monday though, so it gets more eyes. traffic dies down on the weekends
[02:33:57] <dyingtolive> understandable. fine by me. i just figured this was a good enough place to let the idea float over the weekend. i'm pretty stoked about the idea.
[02:34:06] <cmn32480> rumor mill is that there is to be a "Boooks" nexus or somesuch after the site update
[02:34:11] <nick> i think it's a good one
[02:34:17] <charon> i like that rumor mill
[02:34:20] <nick> not that i'd get involved, but book club would be nice
[02:34:41] <cmn32480> I think it had been discussed before, and the problem was the creation of the nexuses (nexii?... whatever
[02:35:06] <cmn32480> takyon and NotSanguine had tossed that idea around a while back and it had gotten goo reception
[02:35:26] <Bytram> cmn32480: s/oo/ood/
[02:35:26] <sedctl> <Bytram> <cmn32480> takyon and NotSanguine had tossed that idea around a while back and it had gotten good reception
[02:35:28] <charon> people made baby noises at it?
[02:35:32] <cmn32480> also in the idea was to get us one of them fancy Amazon links and then the site woudl get a cut of the profits on the books
[02:35:35] <Bytram> lol
[02:35:37] <dyingtolive> didn't realize it was that hard. thought that was one of the core pieces of the codebase.
[02:36:01] <cmn32480> it was very.... manual
[02:36:05] <dyingtolive> (not that i've looked at the codebase. i just thought that /. had something similar)
[02:36:15] <cmn32480> there is now a script to handle it in the next update.
[02:36:20] <Bytram> dyingtolive: nexus is something that NCommander pretty-much single-handedly implemented, but AFAIK, has taken a while to make it to the production site
[02:36:34] <dyingtolive> ah. perhaps i misunderstand hwo that works.
[02:36:35] <charon> (because no one understands it but him)
[02:36:41] <nick> dyingtolive, i believe topics are not difficult, and there is a reviews one i believe
[02:36:41] <cmn32480> nah.. nexues are a totally new thing that NCommander wroe when he reworte slash into rehash
[02:36:56] <nick> but nexus is another level above that, and was apparently a lot more convoluted
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[02:37:03] <Bytram> dyingtolive: /. had sections (science: science.slashdot.com, etc.) -- similar, but different from a nexus
[02:37:20] <dyingtolive> that might be what i'm thinking of.
[02:37:40] <cmn32480> if you go on the dev site.. there are a couple
[02:37:46] <cmn32480> my favorite is bewbs
[02:38:06] <charon> TheMightyBuzzard at his classiest
[02:38:19] <Bytram> one of the ideas behind a nexus is that an external group could arrange with us to host their discussions; we could set the parameters such that their discussion did NOT appear on our main page, and they would have a selection of topics that was apropos their interests...
[02:38:22] <dyingtolive> heh. no doubt. i'll make it a point to check that one out.
[02:38:28] <Bytram> of, I could have completely misunderstood it.
[02:38:40] <Bytram> s/of/of course/
[02:38:40] <sedctl> <Bytram> of course, I could have completely misunderstood it.
[02:39:02] <dyingtolive> Bytram: that sounds like a perfect place for such a thing.
[02:39:15] <dyingtolive> well, gf is home. be back later.
[02:39:28] <charon> cheers dyingtolive!
[02:39:37] <Bytram> we actually missed an opportunity recently, askwoody just set up a discussion area on his site.
[02:39:48] <Bytram> askwoody == https://www.askwoody.com
[02:39:51] <exec> └─ 13AskWoody
[02:42:47] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[02:42:47] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[02:44:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, books is happening it's just gonna hafta get edited by staff is all.
[02:44:12] <charon> i've seen a lot of discussion sites that have strict on topic threads, but once a week they have one "open thread" that can go anywhere the commenters want. seems like an interesting format
[02:44:37] <charon> i volunteer to be book wrangler. for a while anyway
[02:44:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm askeert of where an open thread would go around here. we go pretty wild as it is.
[02:45:19] <charon> it could be no worse than the mudslinging that happens in politics threads already
[02:45:49] <Bytram> not only that, it could quite easily become known as a place where people would "drop things" for others to retrieve.
[02:46:24] * TheMightyBuzzard knocks Bytram's soap out of his hand
[02:46:42] <charon> i think the metaphor you're invoking went over my head, Bytram
[02:47:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, run an open thread this weekend if you like. we can see where it goes.
[02:47:24] <cmn32480> DON"T BEND OVER TO GET THE SOAP!!!!!!!!
[02:47:41] <Bytram> we already had a run-in with a user who used their journal as a private archive of song lyrics, which had valid copyrights, and it was some work to communicate with them and ask them to remove it from the site; we really don't want to become a magnet for notices thatwe are violating coyright law and need to remove material
[02:47:47] <charon> thanks cmn32480... but i did get TMB's metaphor
[02:48:15] <Bytram> ahh, DMCA, that was what I was trying to remember.
[02:48:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude my crack aches
[02:48:40] <Bytram> I did some pretty intense template editing to put some additional disclaimers on the site.
[02:48:49] <NCommander> Bytram, cmn32480: the base functionality was already part of slash includng the term Nexus, but they were idiotically implemented in such a way that made very very little sense.
[02:48:52] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: s/ac/arc/
[02:48:52] <sedctl> <Bytram> <TheMightyBuzzard> dude my crarck aches
[02:49:01] <NCommander> ^- dyingtolive
[02:49:17] <Bytram> NCommander: ahhh, much obliged for the correction!
[02:49:23] <cmn32480> and now MCommander disappears in a puff of smoke!
[02:49:24] <Bytram> NCommander++
[02:49:25] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 116
[02:49:31] <NCommander> What I did was break that code into its own unit, then modify how it interacts so an article is attached to an explicate Nexus and Topic
[02:50:07] * cmn32480 learned somethign new... does that mean he gets to go home?
[02:50:10] <NCommander> Originally, topics were pinned to nexus. Select a topic, and the story got autofiled under its own nexus. This had some very very weird implications with how the site operated, and the origina "The Main Page" nexus was a massive kludge to prevent stupidity
[02:50:42] <Bytram> now THAT explains a bunch of the confusion I had had in trying to understand what it did / how it worked
[02:50:48] <NCommander> There were also attached to subdomains (i.e. something.soylentnews.org). We kept that functionality though we don't use it. meta.dev.soylentnews.org was a thing forawhile
[02:51:22] <Bytram> clarification: does each nexus have its *own* set of topics? or, is there a master list from whcih each nexus can choose to use? or ... ??
[02:51:23] <NCommander> Bytram, right, you could attach a topic (soylentnews.org/meta.soylentnews.org/etc.) or supertopic to an endpoint
[02:51:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, reckon we could get per-nexus seclevs by next major update? six months to a year eta.
[02:51:51] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, that's pretty trivial to implement TBH. We already have base ACL functionality in the code. We just make the admin interface show up, and scope it to a nexus.
[02:51:53] <Bytram> super_powers_activate++
[02:51:53] <Bender> karma - super_powers_activate: 1
[02:51:57] * cmn32480 goes to get his shaprening stone
[02:52:03] <charon> so as they are going to be after the update, do the subdomains work by nexus?
[02:52:22] <NCommander> charon, it's any virtualhost. We could host soylentnews.jp on our site, and the articles would be seperated
[02:52:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i spose that'd work. i dunno how to use ACLs worth a damn but they can't be any worse than reskeys.
[02:52:51] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, ACLs I think were part of Firehose so some members could moderate stuff. I believe its the only place I saw ACLs used at all out of the box
[02:52:58] * Bytram has wondered why we didn't use ACLs, as far as I could tell.
[02:53:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[02:53:32] <NCommander> What I'd probably do is modify the admin interface to be visable based on ACL but scope it
[02:53:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds like a plan then. you volunteering or are you volunteering me?
[02:53:47] <NCommander> So if acl{nexus} == true, the user is treated as seclevel 100 for that section
[02:54:12] <NCommander> We'll have to go through to make sure there's no stupid assumptions in the code about seclevel. There were some historically that we had to remove
[02:54:17] <charon> TheMightyBuzzard: i think we all know you just volunteered
[02:54:19] <NCommander> i.e., admins had to login via SSL or through a proxy
[02:54:36] <NCommander> I'm fairly sure in 3 years of operation, we killed most of the stupid
[02:54:38] <cmn32480> charon - I read that too!
[02:55:18] <cmn32480> dear god... my Gerber is so dull it can't cut baby food
[02:55:35] * charon applauds
[02:55:51] <Bytram> to myto my eye, based on seeing ACLs in other areas/applications, an ACL define a role, and its values identified the tasks it was permitted to access/manipulate -- and to what extent
[02:55:53] <Bytram> NCommander: there's a metric shitton of hardcoded magic numbers in the code wrt seclev -- I've seen the number '100' in a bunch of places, for example
[02:55:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, never underestimate the stupid. i still find shit like foreach(keys %$hash){ $hash->{$_} = $hash->{$_} if defined($hash->{$_});}
[02:56:12] <NCommander> Bytram, the magic numbers are 100, 500, 1000, and 10000 (and 100,000 which we added)
[02:56:20] <NCommander> 100,000 enables unlimited mod points
[02:56:51] <NCommander> I believe the site however assumes any >1 seclevel to be admin, but denies access to the editor if it's less than 100
[02:57:13] <NCommander> I think part of that functionality exists from when Jon Katz edited on slashdot as he didn't have unlimited mod points, and other things
[02:57:39] <Bytram> ahhh, that makes a bit more sense... and the expected capabilities for each of these seclevs...are they documented anywhere?
[02:57:57] <NCommander> Bytram, not really. The code refers to them as editor, superedit, admin, and superadmin
[02:58:07] <NCommander> We use seceditor because 500 enables the security page
[02:58:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> we don't have any regular admins
[02:58:10] <NCommander> as the term
[02:58:22] <Bytram> so, all of our admins are irregular? ;)
[02:58:33] * Bytram looks for some maalox
[02:58:38] * TheMightyBuzzard pewps
[02:58:43] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, right we killed that because the 1000+ functionality can still brick the site
[02:58:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty
[02:59:00] <NCommander> 1000 can edit templates, and topics (which is something we should fix at somepoint) and see site statstics
[02:59:07] <NCommander> 10,000 can access the config page/variables
[02:59:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it's kinda arbitrary since you gotta be able to bounce the server for most config variables to take effect anyway.
[02:59:46] <NCommander> That might not be true anymore
[02:59:59] <NCommander> since we nuked memcached, they're pulled from the DB on the fly, with mysqld acting as a hot cache
[03:00:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> hmm
[03:00:19] <NCommander> The only things that should require an apache bounce are things that affect mod_perl behavior
[03:00:41] <Bytram> this is strange... my seclev on prod is 10,000, on dev is 10,000 -- can't tell on staff server, but only on the staff sever can I moderate my own comments
[03:01:10] <NCommander> Bytram, that's because the variable that enables unlimited mod points is seperate. Can you delete posts on dev? (do you have a checkbox)
[03:01:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm. i think some of the stuff is loaded real real early where it's static for the process's lifetime. not sure if the result of that function is or not.
[03:01:30] <Bytram> NCommander: delete posts (story) or delete comments?
[03:01:34] <NCommander> Comments
[03:01:48] <NCommander> You should have a checkbox after the mod dropdown, and at the bottom "Delete Comments"
[03:02:07] <Bytram> I'd seen it someplace, before, but I do not see it on dev atm
[03:02:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> matter o fact i can't even remember which getCurrent sub gets you $config right now. i must need sleep.
[03:02:37] <NCommander> Huh, interesting, I dunno why you can self-mod on dev
[03:02:42] <NCommander> MIGHT be a varnish issue
[03:02:51] <NCommander> It's not supposed to let you do it
[03:02:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, shit, you can?
[03:03:00] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, Bytram says you can
[03:03:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> you shouldn't be able to.
[03:03:07] <Bytram> well, I remember bein amazed at being able to do it on chillax (staff) ... NOT on dev
[03:03:28] <NCommander> Oh, that might be when I broke moderation
[03:03:36] <NCommander> When I accidently made moderate then post become a thing accidently
[03:03:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram's on drugs.
[03:03:50] <Bytram> btw, deleting a comment? not on my say so unless I got buyin from several folk.
[03:03:58] <NCommander> Bytram, no, its 100,000 on dev
[03:04:00] <NCommander> just checked
[03:04:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can't mod my comments in the same story that i can mod his. we're good.
[03:04:29] <NCommander> We should probably make sure that functionality still works. It's probably going to do horrid things to the database because that does a recurrsive UPDATE loop to reparent. It's one of the uglist bits of SQL I ever seen
[03:04:37] <Bytram> on chillax, I *do* see the [] check to delete on each coment and the [delete] button at the end of a story..
[03:04:47] <NCommander> Bytram, chillax is on a seriously old copy of rehash.
[03:04:53] <Bytram> but when I go to my info page, I don't see all the extra goodies I see on dev and prod.
[03:05:03] <NCommander> Bytram, likely because you're not a subscriber
[03:05:12] <Bytram> hmmm?
[03:05:12] <Bytram> brb
[03:05:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, nah, pj has been rolling out to it for testing.
[03:05:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> install testing i mean
[03:05:28] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm not sure I'm in love w/ the new comment layout
[03:05:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> dimming or the arrows?
[03:06:01] <Bytram> arrows are upside-down / backwards
[03:06:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, thas yer fault though =P
[03:06:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~blame
[03:06:13] * exec points at Bytram
[03:06:29] <NCommander> https://soylentnews.org - this is the bug that broke moderation on production I was thinking about
[03:06:33] <exec> └─ 13Moderate^Post Is Now Moderate Then Post - SoylentNews
[03:06:34] <Bytram> and once I realized the error of my ways, I've strongly advocated for it to be changed back.
[03:07:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, switch the names of the images in the css and pull request it
[03:07:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have faith that you can edit css as good or better than i can.
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[03:08:13] <Bytram> unfortunately, I can't -- I had a bad upgrade of Ubuntu -- ran out of space on upgrade, so couldn't complete. tried to roll back, but not enough space. tried to deletre rehash, but did not free up enough spacre. had to create a brand new Vm, anc have not yet brought down a new rehash instance local to my machine...
[03:08:15] <MDC> Your sister likes to be tied up
[03:08:18] <Runaway1956> ~submit http://www.navy.mil
[03:08:20] <exec> └─ 13Navy Decommissions "The Big E"
[03:08:29] <Bytram> and then Oracle goes and fixes a bunch of major bugs in virtual box
[03:08:50] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[03:08:59] <dyingtolive> walking back to the book club thing: is copyright something we're worried about? i'm guessing the official stance is "comments are owned by the users" has never been tested, and we don't want to actively invite legal attention to the site?
[03:09:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, always put way too much space on the vm. it'll only use what it actually uses nowadays.
[03:09:01] <Bytram> so I need to start over.
[03:09:13] <Bytram> yeah, I know that *now*
[03:09:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> dyingtolive, we'd have an excellent fair use case for book clubs/articles but we'd have to make it in court.
[03:09:45] <MDC> the expanding VM disks are very slow at first. I prefer the fixed size
[03:09:51] <charon> dyingtolive: i am not skilled in that area, but unless we're quoting whole pages at a time, small snippets of text are a manifest fair use case
[03:10:36] <dyingtolive> that's reasonable.
[03:10:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, if you gota better css layout for that critter, get it in a pull request. it's the best me and pj could work up cause we ain't artsy.
[03:10:46] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I suck at CSS. You know this :P
[03:10:55] <Bytram> the info tab of the users.pl page ondev shows my seclev; on chillax it does not
[03:11:17] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, at some point this year, we're going to need to look seriously at what we're going to do about the underlying OS. I really dislike upgrading to Ubuntu 16.04
[03:11:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, hows about if you got easy suggestions we can get em implemented pretty quick like.
[03:11:29] <NCommander> I rather not let that go to the last minute
[03:11:42] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, well no comment has auto-expanded, top level or threshold
[03:12:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, right now i'm kinda digging calculate linux. no systemd cause it's based on gentoo but with a binary overlay for the more stable/common packages.
[03:12:33] <Bytram> me has only scratched the surface of the possible interactions between the new comment layout code with all of the choices available on the comments page, never mind default values take from the user's preferences page.
[03:12:34] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm very very iffy on rolling releases
[03:12:40] <NCommander> for production systems
[03:12:57] <Bytram> constants should be, ummm, constant!
[03:13:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> me too generally but i've not heard of gentoo bricking boxen very often.
[03:13:10] <Bytram> don't be going changing under me while things are running!
[03:13:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> even arch only does it once every couple years now.
[03:13:32] <Bytram> scientific method: change only ONE variable at a a time.
[03:14:01] <charon> did i already complain about hidden comments not remaining as a title bar?
[03:14:20] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, the problem is a lot of our crap is self-rolled, i.e. Apache and such. If there's an underlying ABI break from the operating system, everything north in the stack has to get recompiled. Re-installing all of the Perl modules makes me cringe
[03:14:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> charon, so did i. pj liked it that way better though and he was writing it.
[03:14:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[03:14:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why i'd say we still roll them in /opt
[03:14:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> from source
[03:14:58] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, well, they're self-rolled in /srv/soylentnews.org
[03:15:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[03:15:10] <NCommander> Beryllium is self-rolled down because CentOS sucks
[03:15:23] <NCommander> I think the sole exception is the loadbalancer which is stock nginx
[03:15:24] <Bytram> charon: I'm with you on that one -- title bar should still remain, no matter what.
[03:15:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[03:15:35] <NCommander> Oh, and kerberos
[03:15:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> apache really needs to be homemade
[03:15:42] <NCommander> And bind
[03:15:51] <NCommander> Kerberos I'm not hugely worried about
[03:15:55] <NCommander> That shit is stupidly rock solid
[03:16:06] * NCommander has his local setup let me kinit against SN directly :)
[03:16:13] <NCommander> kinit mcasadevall@LI694-22 ;)
[03:16:16] * Bytram remembers watching NCommander locate, read about, and implement kerberos in about a couple hours, tops.
[03:16:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, basically perl n modules n apache n mysql-cluster are the only hand rolled
[03:16:28] <NCommander> I'm just really happy we nuked LDAP
[03:16:31] <NCommander> God that was a piece of shit
[03:16:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[03:16:38] <NCommander> Hesiod has been absolute pleasure
[03:16:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> one of these days i'll learn to use it
[03:17:00] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, its pretty simple. Look at the li694-22 zone file
[03:17:12] <NCommander> If we have to dump it, I'm seriously going suggest we go NIS. the 1980s did this shit better
[03:17:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i mean at all.
[03:17:30] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, huh?
[03:17:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know exactly dick about hesiod.
[03:17:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd have to start by RTFMing
[03:18:07] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I wrote an article explaining it
[03:18:23] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: don't feel too bad, that's how I learned about unicode and UTF-8 and look at how that turned out. =)
[03:18:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> on the staff wiki?
[03:18:30] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, https://soylentnews.org
[03:18:33] <exec> └─ 13Review: Hesiod Name Services System - SoylentNews
[03:18:56] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, it's literially CNAME + TXT records
[03:19:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, yeah, i read some of that. then my attention span wandered.
[03:19:05] <NCommander> We don't use the HS class
[03:19:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[03:19:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was prolly reading it before i took my meds in the morning.
[03:20:01] <NCommander> Yeah. the DNS spec is fun. Lot's of weird and unused shit in there
[03:20:07] <NCommander> CHAOSnet support
[03:20:08] <NCommander> for instance
[03:20:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> seriously though. if you can come up with some cosmetic changes for the css, i got no beefs implementing them tomorrow before everyone else in the house gets up and around.
[03:20:51] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm going to wait until you have it fully implemented. We also should have our hand on the revert button
[03:21:07] <NCommander> Because commenting is something of a sacred cow. The userbase might stage a rebellion
[03:21:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> i bitch about it but i'm actually learning my ass from a hole in the ground, css-wise.
[03:21:25] <NCommander> I understand it just fine. I just suck hard as a rock at designing UIs
[03:22:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i know there'll be some bitching. there would be if we changed a single pixel of the logo.
[03:22:55] <NCommander> Yeah but we nearly got run out of town on a rail when we blotched the initial deploy of improved threading
[03:23:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'not hard to get a comments.cssraw out of pre-new-shat code and drop it on live copy pasta like though.
[03:23:27] <Bytram> how about we post a story on prod and mention that it is opened up for users to play with on dev for, say, a week?
[03:23:34] <dyingtolive> i didn't speak up about it, but for what it's worth, i enjoy the threading change.
[03:23:57] <Bytram> we could say we were running a "Beta"
[03:24:04] * TheMightyBuzzard laffs
[03:24:18] * Bytram smiles from ear to ear
[03:24:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> or we could just do a poll after it's up.
[03:24:23] <dyingtolive> i can't think of a site that didn't work out for. go for it! :D
[03:25:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean you can comment on polls, so why not tally the votes the easy way?
[03:25:26] <Bytram> cause they are not reliable!!!
[03:25:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> neither are the devs
[03:25:52] * TheMightyBuzzard skips off fishing
[03:26:00] <Bytram> speak for yourself!
[03:26:09] <cmn32480> i believe he was
[03:26:14] <Bytram> well, I *have* been known to make a mistake or three, so that applies to me, too.
[03:26:34] <Bytram> "This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane."
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[03:27:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll have you know i put a lot of work crafting each and every one of those bugs and do i get a word of thanks from the QA department for giving their jobs meaning?
[03:27:12] <cmn32480> that last part pretty well describes this lot
[03:27:19] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, Bytram: BTW, we need to update polls more oftne. The last poll was up for so long that it auto-archived the comments
[03:27:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ouch
[03:27:43] <cmn32480> one of them senior editors ought to show the new guys how to do that
[03:27:50] <jasassin> a worm hole opened up and now them come from near and far, we'll keep the booze but please send back the fucking Jem'Hadar
[03:27:53] <dyingtolive> i'm already writing the script to pad the votes in some direction. i'm doing it in python, just so that it irritates TMB
[03:28:01] * NCommander remembers back when the original behavior of rehash was to *DELETE* comments after 60 days and just leave an HTML static page
[03:28:04] <Bytram> urgh. yeah. I'm agreed they should be more often. I took up the slack for a while, but then life intervened. maybe one of the new guys might like to take it on?
[03:28:08] <charon> dyingtolive: javascript would annoy him the most
[03:28:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey, as long as i ain't gotta read it you can write it in brainfuck for all i care.
[03:28:29] <dyingtolive> charon: that'd annoy me too though.
[03:28:33] <charon> hehe
[03:28:38] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, brainfuck is more readible than some of the perl in rehash
[03:28:46] <dyingtolive> be back later, food.
[03:28:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> only the regexes
[03:28:50] <Bytram> !grab NCommander
[03:28:50] <Bender> Added quote 813
[03:28:56] <NCommander> !quote NCommander
[03:28:56] <Bender> Quote 1 - <NCommander> DarkMorph, because whenever I have to touch hashref's I want to stab my eyes out
[03:28:58] <Bytram> !quote 813
[03:28:58] <Bender> Quote 813 - <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, brainfuck is more readible than some of the perl in rehash
[03:29:00] <Bender> Also in quotes: 7, 53, 82, 83, 86, 87, 88, 97, 106, 111, 114, 138, 147, 153, 156, 157, 158, 169, 171, 211, 212, 222, 255, 415, 458, 459, 516, 518, 540, 547, 590, 591, 592, 720, 760, 792, 813
[03:29:12] <NCommander> I think most of my quotes are basically bitching at perl
[03:29:14] <NCommander> !quote 7
[03:29:14] <Bender> Quote 7 - <NCommander> Dopefish, I handed him a 3k page novel, then told him that was short for one of my posts
[03:29:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> !quote 275
[03:29:18] <Bender> Quote 275 - <crutchy> paulej72 is the butt
[03:29:24] <NCommander> !quote 666
[03:29:24] <Bender> Quote 666 - <TheMightyBuzzard> spewing from the anuses of SJWs and nowhere else.
[03:29:37] <charon> that one is gold
[03:29:39] <Bytram> !quote perl
[03:29:39] <Bender> Quote 100 - <michealpwalls> "<google> I see you can't spell properly and have an interest in torture and coercion. Did you know the NSA is hiring?!"
[03:29:41] <NCommander> I think the bot still lags in #staff when you do !quote NCommander
[03:29:43] <Bender> Also in quotes: 378, 415, 784, 813
[03:29:54] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[03:30:06] <NCommander> !quote 792
[03:30:06] <Bender> Quote 792 - <NCommander> Only in #soylent would we complain our bots need to be multithreaded
[03:30:07] <Bytram> !quote 378
[03:30:08] <Bender> Quote 378 - <chromas> dev dev dev ping tmb TheMightyBuzzard foosh perl ding
[03:30:19] <cmn32480> 4 seconds
[03:30:27] <Bytram> I dunno, it has a beat, i can dance to it... I give it an 85
[03:30:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey, my bots are always multi-threaded.
[03:30:30] <jasassin> rule of aquistion number 82. A smart customer is not a good customer
[03:30:38] <NCommander> xlefay was very good/bad at !grabing me
[03:30:50] <charon> i know how to do polls, but i did not know if there is a certain spacing or just when someone feels like changing
[03:30:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab NCommander
[03:30:50] <Bender> Added quote 814
[03:30:51] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:30:51] <jasassin> !grabs ya by the pussy
[03:31:05] <NCommander> 90 percent of the jokes in #staff quote are me crapping out a novel
[03:31:13] * TheMightyBuzzard edits the ! out of the xml in that quote real quick
[03:31:15] * NCommander still can't believe we had an editor trainee ragequit on one of those
[03:31:22] <Bytram> charon: atm, about every two weeks would be about right, and much better than what we currently have.
[03:31:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> did we? ha!
[03:31:52] * charon sets up the religion poll that's in the sub queue
[03:31:59] <cmn32480> #smake charon
[03:31:59] * MrPlow smakes charon upside the head with a primary key
[03:32:00] <Bytram> i don't recall that one
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[03:32:08] <cmn32480> it needs to go to the bin
[03:32:15] <charon> i know, sheesh
[03:32:21] <cmn32480> NO way are we running a "What religion are you?" poll
[03:32:33] <charon> Pastafarian
[03:32:35] <Bytram> thas for SURE!
[03:32:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, it's past my bedtime. gonna grab some nicotine and hit the sack.
[03:32:51] <Bytram> charon: that's using your noodle
[03:32:58] <charon> night TMB
[03:33:09] <cmn32480> that'd be worse than the asshat who asked about girl scout cookies and made the joke "I only eat brownies!"
[03:33:16] <nick> what's this about a ragequit?
[03:33:17] <cmn32480> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[03:33:19] * exec single-candidly spews a drum of maple syrup on TheMightyBuzzard
[03:33:20] <Bytram> and, as much as I am having with this disucussion, I think I need to do the same. I have to work tomorrow.
[03:33:27] <Bytram> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[03:33:29] * exec covertly queefs a handful of silk underwear at TheMightyBuzzard
[03:33:29] * nick hat tip TMB
[03:33:33] <cmn32480> ~gngiht bytram
[03:33:35] <Bytram> ~gnight cmn32480
[03:33:36] * exec spontaneously extracts a powerpoint presentation of windows registry keys from cmn32480
[03:33:37] <charon> night Bytram
[03:33:39] <cmn32480> ~gnight Bytram
[03:33:40] * exec suspiciously poops shippon of targeted ads for Bytram
[03:33:53] * Bytram reloads his ad blocker
[03:34:07] <jasassin> and what is with the klingons remember in the day, they looked like puerto ricans and they dressed in gold lame. now they look like heavy metal rocks from the dead. with leather pants and frizzy hair and lobsterson their heads.
[03:34:19] <Bytram> ~gnight charon
[03:34:20] * exec slowly irritates a stack of pleasant hooters with charon
[03:34:25] <Bytram> ~gnight NCommander
[03:34:25] <charon> WIN!
[03:34:26] * exec excoriatingly deletes a drum of cocaine from NCommander
[03:34:45] <charon> unless they're owls
[03:34:46] <cmn32480> charon won that entire round
[03:34:47] <Bytram> catch ya in the am, if all goes well.
[03:34:47] <Bytram> afk\
[03:34:51] <NCommander> This is my favorite poll: https://soylentnews.org
[03:34:54] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Poll | What is your favorite story arc? ...
[03:35:27] <Bytram> NCommander: would you believe that was a spur-of-the-moment one I crafted in about 5 minutes?
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[03:35:37] <charon> 100% looks rigged
[03:35:45] <cmn32480> they all are
[03:35:45] <NCommander> charon, there's only one voting option ;)
[03:35:50] <Bytram> I was blown away by the level of discourse and the number of excellent works mentioned.
[03:36:13] <Bytram> NCommander: glad you liked it!
[03:36:30] <charon> interesting that the link shows the title of the current poll
[03:36:43] <jasassin> anyone here besides me eat a whole lemon with some salt?
[03:36:47] <charon> #smake exec
[03:36:47] * MrPlow smakes exec upside the head with janrinok's tooth
[03:36:48] <NCommander> Bytram, I thought I made poll 1
[03:36:54] <NCommander> cause I was screwing with the poll code making it
[03:37:02] * NCommander remembers when I finished runninstal install-slashsite
[03:37:05] <NCommander> God the site was half-way broken
[03:37:18] <cmn32480> bytram - it is not the poll the title says it is
[03:37:21] <NCommander> Moderation was hosed, polls were hosed, admin interface was hosed,
[03:37:23] <jasassin> threw in a couple of those suspicious }
[03:37:46] <NCommander> You couldn't stay logged in for more than a few miutes
[03:38:01] <exec> #smake charon
[03:38:01] * MrPlow smakes charon upside the head with an onion
[03:38:06] <NCommander> And we got an "I'm Sorry" from CowboyNeal due to having to work with slash
[03:38:11] <charon> hah
[03:38:32] <cmn32480> NCommander - the good old days?
[03:39:22] <NCommander> cmn32480, I actually kept the remains of the laptop I did all the old SN work on in my flat from Panama
[03:39:35] <jasassin> sounds more like the bad old days
[03:39:35] <NCommander> I might auction it off at some point
[03:39:45] <NCommander> jasassin, well, I wasn't the head of staff at the time
[03:40:06] <jasassin> well then what happened you got in and said fuck the fucking fuckers or what?
[03:40:13] <NCommander> A lot of drama
[03:40:21] * NCommander is still not very happy with how that utlimately played out
[03:40:22] <cmn32480> it's all in a posted story someplace
[03:40:28] <charon> that's not the worst depiction of events, jasassin
[03:40:44] <NCommander> Basically we got taken hostage and nearly lost our domain name
[03:41:04] <jasassin> :(
[03:41:13] <cmn32480> angel investor comes along, buys it from the guy holding us hostage... and here we are
[03:41:27] <NCommander> https://soylentnews.org
[03:41:30] <jasassin> wtf
[03:41:34] <exec> └─ 13On John's Departure ... - SoylentNews
[03:41:34] <NCommander> https://soylentnews.org
[03:41:42] <nick> side note: good to see you NCommander
[03:41:44] <exec> └─ 13Unconfirmed Purchase Transaction Reported - SoylentNews
[03:41:45] <jasassin> need to knee cap that maf
[03:41:46] <NCommander> jasassin, if you want the ugly story
[03:42:19] <cmn32480> i do beleive that there were many of of sitting on IRC watching the whole thing play out in real time
[03:43:13] <jasassin> i do remember this
[03:43:21] <jasassin> its too bad some people just have to be such shitheads
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[03:44:42] * NCommander has tried to hold to those promises
[03:44:42] <jasassin> holding a site hostage... shoulda sued his ass
[03:44:57] <cmn32480> he owned the domain name
[03:45:01] <NCommander> jasassin, not much grounds to be honest. SOylentNews was technically his as a name. I owned the servers and such but
[03:45:16] <jasassin> nah
[03:45:17] <NCommander> We've kept the name grepnews.org registered as a failsafe, and the plan was to mass mail everyone if shit happened
[03:45:27] <jasassin> that was user voted wasn't it?
[03:45:35] <cmn32480> that was later
[03:46:18] <cmn32480> when the big drama happened, the name was owned by Barrabas, NCommander owned the servers adn had done all the work to get thigns running, and barrabas was trying to turn the site into a moneymaker
[03:46:21] * jasassin would kill for a real cigarrette
[03:46:38] * jasassin pretty sad world when you got weed but aint got a cigarette
[03:46:40] <cmn32480> on the backs of the work of a bunch of volunteers
[03:46:55] <jasassin> that was a bad soul
[03:46:57] <jasassin> yeah
[03:47:01] <jasassin> and then shit on them like that
[03:47:05] <jasassin> real fucking peice of work
[03:47:05] <NCommander> I've wanted to motize the site in some ways, but not without community support or getting people paid back
[03:47:22] <jasassin> i dont have a problem with it
[03:47:23] <NCommander> It's unfortunate we've never made enough to pay back matt_ or myself for the initial stake
[03:47:24] <cmn32480> mostly one knucklehead who famously said "Yeah, I played with slash a little bit once"
[03:47:31] <NCommander> cmn32480, that was me :P
[03:47:37] <jasassin> hahahhahahaha
[03:47:38] <jasassin> fags
[03:48:04] <cmn32480> right back at you NC :-p
[03:48:39] <cmn32480> upside is that we haven't needed to dump in more $$ either
[03:48:51] <NCommander> Yeah, self-suffiency on subscriptions alone was kinda unexpected
[03:49:10] <NCommander> We actually had drafted a few business plans on ways to get us to that point, mostly sponsored content or running ads
[03:49:29] <NCommander> That's why "ad free experience" is still listed as a sub perk even though we've never done it. It's our fallback plan to keep the site going
[03:49:46] <nick> i'm very happy with how the site is being funded and operated right now
[03:49:59] <cmn32480> we've been rather lucky
[03:50:37] <jasassin> at least you got rid of that fuckface
[03:50:44] <NCommander> Yeah. It's not what I can call a smashing financal success
[03:50:49] <NCommander> But it's not a failure either
[03:50:57] <nick> it's honest though
[03:51:04] <jasassin> would it help to put a banner or some shit up?
[03:51:06] <cmn32480> ^^AMEN
[03:51:07] <NCommander> If we ever get the money to do so, I still want to form a not-for-profit and such
[03:51:10] <jasassin> something thats not a javascript ad
[03:51:23] <NCommander> But we'd need a lawyer for that, and the costs were staggering
[03:51:44] <cmn32480> i was thinking that if the book club worked out, we get set up w/ Amazon and the if you buy the book through them, the site gets a cut
[03:51:48] <NCommander> The PBC route was a cop-out option to make things in line with what we wanted
[03:51:53] <jasassin> how much?
[03:51:56] <jasassin> like 10 grand?
[03:52:01] <NCommander> jasassin, that was the number floated
[03:52:01] <jasassin> just curious
[03:52:15] <NCommander> It would likely be less, but most NFPs have to be tied to physical assets
[03:52:20] <NCommander> That scutted our first incorporation attempt
[03:53:06] <NCommander> We technically have a registered agent in DE for that requirement for the PBC, but when we discussed it w/ a lawyer, he was concerned that since we're not arguably tied to a stage, getting NFP status would be difficult, And we'd still have to fight an uphill battle for 501(c)3
[03:53:06] <jasassin> very interesting
[03:53:37] <NCommander> I wrote a post about it because I had to justify why we weren't doing a NFP incorporation. a B corporation is technically for-profit
[03:53:45] <jasassin> i know nothing about this huh... some crazy shit
[03:54:25] <jasassin> hmmm... tied to a stage im gonna have to look up 501(c)3
[03:55:02] <NCommander> https://soylentnews.org
[03:55:06] <exec> └─ 13Status Update: Incorporation Report - SoylentNews
[03:55:24] <NCommander> jasassin, I highly recommend you look up all my posts on it. It's ugly to say the least
[03:55:46] <cmn32480> make sure you have a long time to get through them
[03:55:50] <jasassin> ok... wait
[03:55:54] <cmn32480> none are.. ahem... short
[03:55:57] <jasassin> so you aren't making any money and you still pay taxes?
[03:56:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Galactic X-rays Could Point to Dark Matter Proof - http://sylnt.us - the-work-of-WIMPs?
[03:56:27] <jasassin> you need to get trump on the horn
[03:56:42] <cmn32480> jasassin - technically, the subscriptions are the money we make
[03:58:46] <NCommander> jasassin, we don't accept donations because that's a very ugly tax and revenue situation
[03:59:05] <NCommander> We basically sell the star for $4/m or $20/y
[03:59:17] <cmn32480> or whatever above that yo think it workth
[03:59:20] <NCommander> It's something a loop hole but it is a good we do sell
[03:59:31] <mechanicjay> Ah, memories...
[03:59:34] <mechanicjay> hey NCommander
[03:59:44] <NCommander> Holy shit, we summoned mechanicjay
[03:59:53] * NCommander wonders who soul just got sacrificed
[03:59:57] <mechanicjay> lol
[04:00:06] <NCommander> mechanicjay, you are your VMS-PINE emails :P
[04:00:07] <mechanicjay> I think we must run on completely opposite schedules these day
[04:00:12] <charon> as the only FNG present, i think it was me
[04:00:28] <jasassin> abra cadabra
[04:00:41] <jasassin> reach out and grab ya by the pussy
[04:01:07] <NCommander> Honestly, and truth be told, I'm still amazed we're still actively here and growing three years later
[04:01:32] * NCommander is slightly sadden by the fact though I think I'm the only active single digit UID beside the AC
[04:01:47] <jasassin> hmmmm....
[04:01:54] <jasassin> how the fuck ac have a uid?
[04:02:00] <mechanicjay> AHEM?
[04:02:20] <NCommander> mechanicjay, you have a single digit UID? I thought you were 11
[04:02:21] <mechanicjay> I may not be the most active, but I do manage a few comments /wweek
[04:02:27] <mechanicjay> I am proudly 7
[04:02:39] <NCommander> Lucky # 7
[04:02:44] <mechanicjay> :)
[04:02:46] <NCommander> I have UID 2 and 6
[04:02:54] <NCommander> ~mcasadevall
[04:02:55] <cmn32480> TMB is 18
[04:02:55] <charon> Jay. Mechanic Jay
[04:03:11] <NCommander> Which is also our donation bunny, for ACs that want to gift subscriptions
[04:03:26] <NCommander> User "mcasadevall" subscription ends 2023-09-10 UTC.
[04:03:58] * NCommander actually saw a post get gilded in the subscription email
[04:04:05] <NCommander> Someone donated a gift subscription to someone who wasn't me
[04:04:14] <jasassin> someone gave me one
[04:04:21] <jasassin> i thought it was about the coolest thing
[04:04:51] <jasassin> only time i "won" anything before i was probably about 12 playing bing at a fair with my mom
[04:04:54] <jasassin> won a lamp
[04:05:02] <NCommander> jasassin, I've occassionally giving out free ones
[04:05:12] <NCommander> Usually for outstanding contributions
[04:05:31] <NCommander> We had a user who's subscription didn't go through due to technical glitch, I gifted one, then we got a massive sub from them
[04:05:41] <jasassin> nice!
[04:05:57] <mechanicjay> we used to give 'em out staff
[04:06:06] <NCommander> mechanicjay, still do, if someone reminds me to do it
[04:06:20] <nick> there's a lot of good people in the little community of ours
[04:06:28] <nick> pretty sure all staff can give themselves the star
[04:06:36] <NCommander> It's limited to superadmins I believe
[04:06:36] <cmn32480> they can
[04:06:37] <charon> that's cheating
[04:06:47] <NCommander> charon, subscribing means you support the site
[04:06:47] <cmn32480> NCommander - it is not
[04:07:00] <NCommander> cmn32480, it was supposed to be limited to superamdins. I don't actually care though
[04:07:06] <cmn32480> I was able to give myself one as a jr editor at one point to test the subscription emials
[04:07:09] <charon> i mean a staff memeber giving it to themselves
[04:07:11] <mechanicjay> yeah, I'd need to hack against the database to do it...not worth. I get more satisfaction from actually supporting the site financially.
[04:07:12] <NCommander> If you're donating time to being staff, that's just as good as being a financal backer
[04:07:45] <NCommander> mechanicjay, did you ever have seclevel on the site, or just backend admin stuff?
[04:07:51] <cmn32480> for the small $ figure annually, I dont' mind tossing in a little cash
[04:07:53] <nick> charon, i've earned my star thank you very much :p
[04:08:02] <NCommander> I like to think I earned mine ^_^
[04:08:08] <jasassin> yeah, i dont care if i have a star or not, i read and mod and once in a blue moon find something interesting enough in time to post
[04:08:17] <mechanicjay> NCommander: I have actually manage to avoid all permissions on the front-end. I'm just a user there.
[04:08:34] <charon> well perhaps i have too, but i'd still contribute financially as well
[04:08:34] * cmn32480 makes a note to get that fixed...
[04:08:34] <NCommander> User NCommander has three grant subscriptions and one gift
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[04:09:31] <NCommander> Two weeks until our third anniversary
[04:09:36] * NCommander warms up for a novel
[04:09:41] <jasassin> i wish i had some money for a smoke
[04:09:48] * NCommander watches the editor corps commit suicide
[04:09:51] <jasassin> damn... wish i could sell my weed for a cigarette
[04:10:00] * cmn32480 touches his nose
[04:10:04] <charon> i volunteer
[04:10:13] <cmn32480> charon.. don't don it
[04:10:14] * nick knows to delegate editing NCommander tomes
[04:10:17] <charon> too late
[04:10:35] <cmn32480> nick - wanna help me plan his funeral?
[04:10:38] <mechanicjay> Jesus, three years?
[04:10:48] <jasassin> dood whats with the people and bitching about editors
[04:10:49] <nick> sure, it'll be the easier task no doubt :p
[04:10:54] <cmn32480> likely
[04:10:54] <jasassin> fuck i wish editors would edit shit more
[04:10:57] <NCommander> mechanicjay, since golive. We technically got the site up a bit before then at li694-22.members.linode.com
[04:11:13] <mechanicjay> jasassin: easier to bitch than to sub good stories.
[04:11:15] <nick> jasassin, if you take out OO_/gewg_ editor bitchin, it's not that bad.
[04:11:15] * NCommander only remembers that cause .li694-22
[04:11:26] <charon> [Ed note: This submission was beyond repair. Please enjoy this full page of line feeds]
[04:11:38] <cmn32480> lol
[04:11:42] <nick> and sometimes i'm the one bitching, and i'm an editor...
[04:11:49] <jasassin> hahh
[04:12:08] <nick> even did it earlier today in #editorial ... no special treatment.
[04:12:11] <cmn32480> generally not too many complaints about the editors.. given that I am one, it is rather surprising
[04:12:20] <NCommander> jasassin, you can join the editor staff, we're always up for new blood. We can have you edit my novel as the traditional right of passage
[04:12:22] <cmn32480> what'd I screw up now nick?
[04:12:31] <nick> cmn32480, your spelling is generally improved on the site as opposed to IRC
[04:12:43] <NCommander> Cause we have a spellchecker on the site :)
[04:12:48] <nick> cmn32480, it was bytram and the Tesla headline i had my bitch about
[04:12:48] <cmn32480> somebody finally noticed!!!
[04:12:54] * cmn32480 sheds a tear
[04:13:05] <nick> headlines should explain article, not be clickbait.
[04:13:07] <jasassin> oh fucking sona[sic] i dont think so
[04:13:08] <NCommander> (it runs ispell on every article. That code pre-dates from the era when webbrowsers didn't come w/ spell check)
[04:13:19] <jasassin> i would be a bad editor
[04:13:24] <jasassin> people would bitch to high hell
[04:13:27] <NCommander> Honestly, half my fun of posting is coming up with the dept line
[04:13:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> oi, dyingtolive, you still around?
[04:13:43] <cmn32480> that was the LONGEST smoke EVER
[04:13:55] <jasassin> hey tmb email me a smoke man
[04:14:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> email? why not DCC?
[04:14:08] <jasassin> nicotine--
[04:14:08] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 306
[04:14:24] * TheMightyBuzzard faxes jasassin a smoke
[04:14:29] <jasassin> there we go
[04:14:42] <jasassin> takes awhile for me to get that smoke over the majic jack
[04:14:46] * charon gets his fix from hearing the modem handshake
[04:14:55] <NCommander> I remember using AOL dial up
[04:15:00] <NCommander> "Welcome!" "You've got mail!"
[04:15:27] <mechanicjay> NCommander: fuck, did you ever use AOL on a mac in the early 90's
[04:15:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar, painful but there was all this shiny, free pr0n to discover back in them days.
[04:15:33] <jasassin> hah, remember that movie where that guys the the thing setup so it says "MAIL MOTHERFUCKER!" in a black doods voice
[04:15:35] <cmn32480> shit.. I forgot to figure out where I am taking my kids hiking tomorrow
[04:15:35] <jasassin> funny shit
[04:15:56] <charon> cmn32480: the mall?
[04:16:01] <cmn32480> no
[04:16:03] <NCommander> mechanicjay, more late 90s. I was Wintel until 98, then my PC (literially) caught fire, and I used a school iBook from that point on
[04:16:06] <cmn32480> in the woods someplace
[04:16:12] <mechanicjay> or did anyone for that matter? Does anyone remember like V1 of AOL instant messenger?
[04:16:17] <NCommander> Used Macs up until the point of 10.5, then migrated to Linux
[04:16:29] <cmn32480> I'm taking the 6 year old, if he wakes up, so it has to be relatively short
[04:16:32] <mechanicjay> The you got mail voice would tell you , "Iiiiiinstant message!"
[04:16:38] <NCommander> mechanicjay, I remember using CompuServe dialup. !go pppconnect was awesome for Linux
[04:16:59] <cmn32480> thinking about 3 miles
[04:17:03] <NCommander> Needed a very long chat script for it, but it works
[04:17:09] <charon> i was an ICQ guy. i can still hear the "uh oh!" of an incoming message
[04:17:16] <mechanicjay> I"ve note been able to find anyone who remember the "instant message" sound byte -- I'm about ready to think it's a false memory.
[04:17:25] <NCommander> My old ICQ number was 15066672 I think
[04:17:29] <jasassin> heh i remember using openbsd and connecting to the net with a chap script ppp.... and going on #openbsd and having someone realize i was on dialup on openbsd they shit themselves
[04:17:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, 18674082 here
[04:17:53] <NCommander> What's funny is I use SLIP more than I use PPP these days
[04:18:03] <jasassin> wtf? i never used slip
[04:18:03] <mechanicjay> Before that I was on prodigy. What a joke all that shit was -- it was the only thing I could my folks to spring for since it had a local access number
[04:18:15] <NCommander> jasassin, it's extremely handy when you have embedded hardware that you need to get online
[04:18:33] <NCommander> Wire up the UART, run slattach and set the routes. Boom, internet. I also use it a lot with VMs, or other weird virtualization solutions
[04:18:54] <jasassin> interesting, and informative huh
[04:19:02] <jasassin> never thought about using that shit on a vm
[04:19:16] <NCommander> It's only useful if you need to do unusual networking
[04:19:38] <NCommander> I.e., it works great with UML or OpenVZ virtualization since you can get a real network interface with them. Also works great for things like NFS from a VM
[04:19:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> or if you have a pentium 133 laptop with no ethernet or wireless or even usb
[04:19:45] <cmn32480> gentlemen, I'm off to bed
[04:19:53] <cmn32480> it's been fun this evening
[04:19:54] <charon> ~gnight cmn32480
[04:19:54] * NCommander still remembers using ProComm Plus for DOS
[04:19:56] * exec irresponsibly ships a maildir of targeted ads with cmn32480
[04:19:59] <cmn32480> ~gnight charon
[04:20:01] * exec implicitly experiences a JFS volume of 🖕 with charon
[04:20:03] <mechanicjay> later cmn32480
[04:20:07] <jasassin> wow procomm plus
[04:20:09] <cmn32480> ~gnight mechanicjay
[04:20:11] <jasassin> telix
[04:20:12] * exec transphobically connects a shitload of healing potions to mechanicjay
[04:20:14] <NCommander> ProComm was probably the best terminal software I used
[04:20:14] <jasassin> telex
[04:20:17] <jasassin> wtf was it
[04:20:21] <NCommander> minicom is a decent clone but not as nice
[04:20:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gnight cmn32480
[04:20:23] * exec allegedly flings a satchel of terr'ists at cmn32480
[04:20:28] <cmn32480> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[04:20:29] * exec brazenly ships promises of iron filings with TheMightyBuzzard
[04:20:35] <cmn32480> ~gnight NCommander
[04:20:36] * exec buttmagically reticulates a heap of smoked salmon for NCommander
[04:20:37] <jasassin> cya later jay
[04:20:40] <NCommander> Back in the era of finding decent FOSSIL drivers
[04:20:47] <cmn32480> ~gnight jasassin
[04:20:48] * exec suspiciously spews a teaspoon of encona on jasassin
[04:21:01] <jasassin> i love you guys so much im gonna kiss you all
[04:21:09] * jasassin kisses everyone with a mouth open and tounge and all
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[04:21:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly, i'm kinda interested to see if this old laptop still even works. i know i got a homemade null modem cable around here somewhere...
[04:22:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's a project for another day though.
[04:23:17] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I remember with an old VAIO with no external devices I had to do some epic magic to get Linux to boot
[04:23:32] * NCommander essentially had to use LILO4DOS to kick start it
[04:23:50] <NCommander> which was fun because it came with Windows ME, and couldn't enter DOS mode
[04:23:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, yeah. it still has a cdrom drive but i have no cdroms.
[04:24:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> so it gets to stay windows 95b
[04:24:20] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, do you got PXE/netboot?
[04:24:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> no network card
[04:24:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> serial port or bust
[04:24:44] <NCommander> Null modem cable, use COPY CON to copy over KERMIT, then copy a linux kernel over
[04:24:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh, sneaky
[04:25:14] <NCommander> You could also hand assemble a minimalist KERMIT with debug, It's only about 100 instructions
[04:25:30] * NCommander used that trick once for data recovery from CP/M
[04:25:35] <NCommander> And I couldn't get PIP to read from COM1
[04:25:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> scuse me a sec
[04:28:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, thas taken care of. had to share pr0n wisdom.
[04:29:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, i'm toast. need sleeps.
[04:29:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite
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[05:27:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - We're Probably Underestimating How Quickly Electric Vehicles Will Disrupt the Oil Market - http://sylnt.us - looking-forward-to-electric-planes
[06:03:17] <mrpg> I dont know if you use the boards but here it is: http://www.imdb.com
[06:03:19] <exec> └─ 13Message Boards - IMDb
[06:05:36] <mrpg> boards close feb 20.
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[06:11:16] <jasassin> i was thinking, what a shitty world a guy can't just go to a store and buy a cigarette for a few coins
[06:11:21] <jasassin> its such a sad world
[06:11:55] <jasassin> they way they are going
[06:12:02] <jasassin> its all going to fall into a barter system
[06:12:10] <jasassin> so fuck it
[06:12:16] <jasassin> welcome to barter town
[06:12:35] <jasassin> two men enter one man leaves
[06:14:41] <jasassin> what a fucked up usa
[06:14:49] <jasassin> i got weed and not tobacco
[06:14:56] <jasassin> this is pisses me off to no end
[06:15:12] <jasassin> i haven't had a cigarrete for like two days
[06:15:21] <jasassin> im started to get pissed off like mean mad
[06:15:33] <jasassin> even though im smoking pot
[06:15:38] <jasassin> its kinda counter acting it
[06:15:53] <jasassin> pot im still kinda feeling that fucking i want a smoke urge
[06:15:54] <jasassin> damn
[06:16:17] <jasassin> tobacco is too addictive
[06:16:29] <jasassin> i do love it though
[06:16:32] <jasassin> i have to admit
[06:16:46] <jasassin> im probably gonna get lung cancer
[06:16:51] <jasassin> but i love tobacco
[06:16:53] <jasassin> and weed too
[06:16:57] <jasassin> but mostly beers
[06:17:10] <jasassin> and occasionally grabbing them by the pussy
[06:17:16] <jasassin> you know, not much
[06:19:27] <jasassin> https://www.youtube.com
[06:19:29] <exec> └─ 13The Crystal Method - Trip Like I Do - YouTube
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[06:22:56] <jasassin> Update Skype to keep staying in touch. The time has come. From March 1, you may no longer be able to sign into the version of Skype on your computer. To keep talking with your family and friends, please update to the latest version.
[06:23:28] * jasassin farts for about half a second
[06:23:59] <jasassin> is it real or is it imaginary?
[06:24:18] <jasassin> how does it interact?
[06:25:18] <jasassin> its not simple reaction to stimuly ... its a complex equation being solved constantly by every cell in every living being
[06:25:43] <jasassin> its too much too comprehend
[06:26:20] <jasassin> if somone asked you... and you didnt have you cell phone
[06:26:25] <jasassin> hoe many bones in the human body
[06:26:28] <jasassin> hah guess
[06:26:33] <jasassin> i'll guess i say 148
[06:26:37] <jasassin> i have no idea
[06:27:31] <jasassin> ok i gotta google this i have no idea how many bones in human body
[06:28:27] <jasassin> i love it
[06:28:30] <jasassin> the time has come
[06:28:49] <jasassin> yeah i guess it has hasn't it
[06:28:52] <jasassin> go fuck yoruself
[06:30:28] <jasassin> who comes up with these phishing emails
[06:30:35] <jasassin> jeez laweez
[06:30:56] <jasassin> its like teenage mutant ninja turtle scams
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[06:37:29] <jasassin> welcome (in a creepy long deepy voice with cobwebs in the old oak doorway)
[06:38:01] <jasassin> oingo boingo kinda shit
[06:38:56] <jasassin> https://www.youtube.com
[06:38:58] <exec> └─ 13Oingo Boingo Dead Man's Party - YouTube
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[06:50:23] <jasassin> you call a plate with nothing on it?
[06:51:37] <jasassin> sad
[06:52:25] <jasassin> i mean what do you call a plate with nothing on it
[06:52:33] <jasassin> and its sad because its sad nothing is on it
[06:52:53] <jasassin> because someone is probably fucking fucking starving i dont know my sick humor runs deep
[06:53:31] <jasassin> its so sad
[06:53:34] <jasassin> theres no humor
[06:54:04] <jasassin> wait
[06:54:08] <jasassin> no theres always humor
[06:54:11] <jasassin> in everything
[06:54:16] <jasassin> even if you just got ran over
[06:54:23] <jasassin> you could always give someone the mad max finger
[06:55:08] * jasassin gives #Soylent the bird
[06:55:22] * jasassin burps
[06:55:35] * jasassin thinks he might have to fart
[06:55:57] <jasassin> is this for real?
[06:57:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ARM Based Laptop DIY Kit Ready to Hit the Shops - http://sylnt.us - you-can-change-more-than-the-battery
[06:57:21] <jasassin> https://www.youtube.com
[06:57:22] <exec> └─ 13willy wonka original psychedelic boat trip - YouTube
[06:57:53] <jasassin> two men enter one man leaves!
[06:58:29] <jasassin> he's either a genius or he's insane!!?!?1
[06:59:02] <jasassin> but i love the chocholateeheheh but i cant eat it because it will make me fat!
[07:00:08] <jasassin> dood you see these guys speedrun through mario64 its crazy
[07:00:13] <jasassin> facebook/jasassin
[07:00:15] <jasassin> damn
[07:00:29] <jasassin> i put a mario video up there this doo he tottally makes me laugh
[07:01:08] <jasassin> i knwo you guys all hate on facebook and shit
[07:01:19] <jasassin> but whtaever if someone has a static page
[07:01:21] <jasassin> bah
[07:01:48] <jasassin> i have the social media thing
[07:02:12] <jasassin> s/have/hate/
[07:02:12] <sedctl> <jasassin> i hate the social media thing
[07:02:39] <jasassin> i bring a big fat fucking badass brass ring
[07:02:53] <jasassin> ~weather istanbul
[07:02:54] <exec> 10Istanbul, İstanbul, Turkey - currently 51°F / 11°C, mostly sunny, wind SW at 11 mph, humidity 74% - Saturday partly cloudy (48°F:56°F / 9°C:13°C), Sunday scattered showers (48°F:55°F / 9°C:13°C), Monday partly cloudy (45°F:60°F / 7°C:16°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (44°F:59°F / 7°C:15°C)
[07:03:04] <jasassin> very well
[07:03:09] <jasassin> i'll be arriving shortly
[07:12:40] <jasassin> hah why would i want to go to turkey
[07:12:45] <jasassin> when i can eat some turkey
[07:13:01] * jasassin eats some turkey and goes to sleep
[07:14:21] * jasassin mumbles something about Istanbul in his sleep...
[07:15:58] * jasassin shouts dream mode engaged! a a laser shoots outs of hits mouth and you all just die
[07:16:54] <jasassin> i will some zombies now
[07:17:02] <jasassin> about like 5 million zombies
[07:17:05] <jasassin> you know
[07:17:12] <jasassin> like millions of zombies and stuff
[07:17:16] <jasassin> so thats all cool and stuff
[07:17:19] <jasassin> soo you you know
[07:17:21] <jasassin> basically
[07:17:26] <jasassin> go FUCK YOURSEF
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[07:48:09] <jasassin> omg its like he keeps punching me in the face and oh oh oh he wont stop oh oh
[07:48:33] <jasassin> so i kicked him in his clitorissssssssssssssss
[07:49:02] <jasassin> you stupid idiots like gay and lesbian lgbt shit
[07:49:05] <jasassin> i dont
[07:49:10] <jasassin> i think its stupid
[07:49:15] <jasassin> whatever people wanna do
[07:49:27] <jasassin> let em do it in their room
[07:49:31] <jasassin> end of story
[07:50:32] <jasassin> my neigbours got some fucking goddamn camera up in a tree looiing in my window
[07:50:37] <jasassin> it's pissing me off
[07:50:46] <jasassin> im going to shoot it constantly with bb gun
[07:51:03] <jasassin> fuck you
[07:51:09] <jasassin> i dont give a fuck
[07:51:44] <jasassin> get that thing out of the goddamn tree thatths pointing right down into my room
[07:51:48] <jasassin> you fucking wierdoes
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[08:25:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Frogs Catch Prey with Non-Newtonian Saliva - http://sylnt.us - herpetology-gone-wild
[08:42:03] <chromas> NCommander: start a church; probably easier than a regular nonprofit
[08:42:27] <NCommander> chromas, actually it's identical.
[08:43:09] <NCommander> Plus a church has physical property. If we had that in any state, getting a NFP would have been relatively trivial
[08:43:18] * chromas prays to our heavenly soylent
[08:45:46] <chromas> So what's the best domain name registrar. Godaddy? They're all the same right? :D
[08:46:34] * chromas installs CentOS with systemd on Bluehost
[09:31:33] <FatPhil> firefox--
[09:31:33] <Bender> karma - firefox: -10
[09:36:29] <FatPhil> systemd--
[09:36:30] <Bender> karma - systemd: -31
[10:06:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Five Major Cancer Studies Are Proving Difficult to Reproduce - http://sylnt.us - if-at-first-you-don't-succeed
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[10:26:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist crutchy
[10:26:34] <MrPlow> crutchy, you're a socialist!
[10:29:21] <crutchy> ~socialist TheMightyBuzzard
[10:29:22] <exec> TheMightyBuzzard, YOU'RE a SOCIALIST!
[10:30:01] <crutchy> ~macro
[10:30:02] <exec> 02 syntax to add: ~macro <trigger> <chanlist> PRIVMSG|INTERNAL <command_template>
[10:30:02] <exec> 02 syntax to delete: ~macro <trigger> -
[10:30:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya missed a rare ncommander visit to #soylent this morning
[10:30:50] <chromas> He was totally talking shit about vegemite
[10:31:13] <crutchy> ~macro ~libertarian-debate * privmsg %%trailing%%, you're a socialist!
[10:31:14] <exec> 02 *** macro with trigger "~libertarian-debate" and PRIVMSG command template "%%trailing%%, you're a socialist!" saved
[10:31:30] <crutchy> heh. vegemite is teh shit
[10:31:59] <chromas> .deplorable crutchy
[10:32:02] <chromas> ~deplorable crutchy
[10:32:03] <exec> crutchy, you're deplorable!
[10:32:11] <crutchy> lol
[10:32:35] <crutchy> don't i have to be a republican to be deplorable though?
[10:32:56] <chromas> Or disagree with what our country calls the left
[10:33:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, anyone who disagrees with hillary
[10:33:12] * crutchy loads up his trebuchet with vegemite
[10:33:27] <chromas> The wall just got 10 feet higher
[10:34:05] <chromas> 🎜 it's raining vegemite 🎝
[10:34:16] <crutchy> hallelujah!
[10:34:39] <crutchy> ergh. think i spelt that wrong. seems like muslim spelling
[10:34:46] * TheMightyBuzzard grumbles
[10:34:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://www.openvirtualization.org
[10:34:57] <exec> └─ 13ARM TrustZone Software - Open Virtualization FAQ
[10:35:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> fucking arm processors got that shit now too
[10:35:15] <crutchy> muthafaqer
[10:35:48] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, i'M ACTUALLY STILL AWAKE
[10:36:01] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, they have for awhile, and its fucking balls
[10:36:03] <crutchy> 'run antivirus on your ARM... so virus won't be able to'
[10:36:24] <NCommander> By design its locked in the UEFI layer/early boot. You can't even start a kernel in EL2
[10:36:36] <NCommander> Since you can't map virtual memory in it
[10:36:47] <crutchy> g'day NCommander o/
[10:36:54] <chromas> As long as it boots my systemd I'm happy
[10:36:58] <crutchy> ~link trains
[10:36:59] <exec> └─ "trains" not found
[10:37:03] <crutchy> :(
[10:37:18] <chromas> exec needs some lovin'
[10:37:28] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:37:30] <exec> └─ 13I Like Trains - YouTube
[10:37:55] * crutchy is playing civ5
[10:38:15] <crutchy> almost forgotted how to play it
[10:38:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i tell ya, ima have to design my own motherboard and disable all the trustzone registers at boot.
[10:39:08] <crutchy> microcontrollers ftw
[10:39:13] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, not really possible when trustzone code is masked on the CPU. Several phones in fact do that w/ hboot
[10:39:14] <chromas> Do they all get their own ipv6 addresses too?
[10:39:20] <chromas> or ranges probably
[10:39:34] <NCommander> They load the trustzone image, and then jump into EL2 and EL1 and execute bootstrap
[10:39:35] <crutchy> they get their own PRISM addresses
[10:39:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, " It is now left to designers of TrustZone on the SOC to decide what registers to be disabled during secure boot. In the previous cores, CP15DISABLE was used in conjunction with the TZPC to block access to sensitive registers during secure boot."
[10:40:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> that mean their devs or bios makers?
[10:40:35] <crutchy> need to create cocSOC
[10:40:46] <chromas> What a waste of precious registers
[10:41:12] * TheMightyBuzzard shakes his head
[10:41:18] <crutchy> those registers were probably hillary supporters
[10:41:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> help me, RISC-V, you're my only hope!
[10:41:38] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, Secure Boot operates at the EL2 level, or at least the reference implementations I was tasked on. It can make monitor calls into TrustZone but the verification happens past the one way initial gate
[10:42:36] <crutchy> left my 2rd screen adaptor at work. i'm hobbled with only 2 screens here :|
[10:42:57] <NCommander> Basically EL3 verifies the UEFI boot image signature, passed control, and then UEFI verified the kernel signature and passed control down to EL2
[10:43:12] <NCommander> The kernel installed a hook at EL2, and then dropped to EL1 so a hypervisor could be later installed
[10:43:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> as long as they still let the UEFI makers disable the registers for runtime, i'm okay with that.
[10:43:49] <NCommander> Once you call ExitBootServices() in the UEFI environment, the entire thing unloads and goes into GTFO mode except a small bit of runtime services
[10:43:59] <crutchy> maybe we need hax0rz bois chips, like what they used to do for nintendos an shit years ago
[10:44:03] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, the specifications I worked with prevented switching out of secure boot at all
[10:44:06] * NCommander quit over it
[10:44:08] <NCommander> in part
[10:44:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> secure boot ain't my issue though
[10:44:35] <crutchy> ~log
[10:44:36] <exec> 03Ops: random, first, last, all, count, source. Parameters: message, nick, channel (regex); since, until (date-/time range); limit (maximum messages to return; default is 1, unless op=all); type [message (plain+action; default), plain, action, nick, mode, join, part, quit, kick, kill, topic]; out [json, php, tab, irc, message, html]; debug (show the query and whatever else)
[10:44:36] <jasassin> the incoming message from jasassin was 'the incoming message from exec was '03Ops: random, first, last, all, count, source. Parameters: message, nick, channel (regex); since, until (date-/time range); limit (maximum messages to return; default is 1, unless op=all); type [message (plain+action; default), plain, action, nick, mode, join, part, quit, kick, kill, topic]; out [json, php, tab, irc, message, html]; debug (show the query
[10:44:36] <exec> http://chromas.0x.no
[10:44:36] <jasassin> and whatever else)''
[10:44:36] <jasassin> the incoming message from exec was '03Ops: random, first, last, all, count, source. Parameters: message, nick, channel (regex); since, until (date-/time range); limit (maximum messages to return; default is 1, unless op=all); type [message (plain+action; default), plain, action, nick, mode, join, part, quit, kick, kill, topic]; out [json, php, tab, irc, message, html]; debug (show the query and whatever else)'
[10:44:55] <crutchy> ¿
[10:44:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> if i control the UEFI i control the key it checks, yeah?
[10:45:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> wtf, jasassin
[10:45:23] <crutchy> is there an echo in here :p
[10:45:29] <crutchy> ~log drop
[10:45:30] <exec> 03Ops: random, first, last, all, count, source. Parameters: message, nick, channel (regex); since, until (date-/time range); limit (maximum messages to return; default is 1, unless op=all); type [message (plain+action; default), plain, action, nick, mode, join, part, quit, kick, kill, topic]; out [json, php, tab, irc, message, html]; debug (show the query and whatever else)
[10:45:30] <jasassin> the incoming message from jasassin was 'the incoming message from exec was '03Ops: random, first, last, all, count, source. Parameters: message, nick, channel (regex); since, until (date-/time range); limit (maximum messages to return; default is 1, unless op=all); type [message (plain+action; default), plain, action, nick, mode, join, part, quit, kick, kill, topic]; out [json, php, tab, irc, message, html]; debug (show the query
[10:45:30] <exec> http://chromas.0x.no
[10:45:30] <jasassin> and whatever else)''
[10:45:30] <jasassin> the incoming message from exec was '03Ops: random, first, last, all, count, source. Parameters: message, nick, channel (regex); since, until (date-/time range); limit (maximum messages to return; default is 1, unless op=all); type [message (plain+action; default), plain, action, nick, mode, join, part, quit, kick, kill, topic]; out [json, php, tab, irc, message, html]; debug (show the query and whatever else)'
[10:45:33] <crutchy> lol
[10:45:48] <chromas> ~say test
[10:45:49] <exec> test
[10:45:57] <crutchy> botzorgs++
[10:45:57] <Bender> karma - botzorgs: 1
[10:46:15] <crutchy> jasassin, list
[10:46:26] <crutchy> jasassin, take me to your leader
[10:46:36] <chromas> I think it's a perl script in (he)xchat
[10:46:47] <crutchy> now now thats sexist
[10:46:59] <chromas> true. we most fork immediately
[10:47:09] <crutchy> its themchat
[10:47:20] <chromas> Ask Soylent: What's the best distro?
[10:47:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> /ignore jasassin
[10:47:47] <crutchy> pretty sure the ask-soylent bot responds with 'emacs' by default
[10:47:55] <crutchy> for every question :p
[10:48:21] <chromas> haha, I saw on the SN site someone commented that they like the libreoffice ribbon but wish it also had a vim mode
[10:48:53] <chromas> I read it as "I like this giant mess but also want a clean minimal interface at the same time"
[10:54:10] <dyingtolive> hey TMB, what's the differnce between staff and nexus editing priv?
[10:54:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> email, shell account, +v on irc, folks expecting things of you.
[10:57:21] <dyingtolive> then i guess in response to your message, i'll go for the nexus editor priv, unless you guys need more staff.
[10:57:40] <dyingtolive> i guess it depends, what kind of stuff do you expect?
[10:57:54] <chromas> You have to attend all the staff meatings
[10:58:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'd technically be staff anyway with all the privs of a normal editor cept posting to nexuses outside Books.
[10:58:12] <dyingtolive> not sure what holes i could fill (heh). not a web dev and you wouldn't like me if i tried to do perl.
[10:58:31] <NCommander> dyingtolive, to be fair, we didn't like a lot of the perl code we started with either :)
[10:58:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> but if you don't wanna bother getting people to get you an email address and the rest of the trimmings, that's up to you.
[10:58:40] <NCommander> Firehose was just epic amounts of fail in its implementation.
[10:58:53] <NCommander> As was D2
[10:59:03] <NCommander> I deleted close to a quarter of a million LoC out of the codebase
[10:59:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean SirFinkus is on staff simply as the F@H guy
[10:59:16] <NCommander> and we're STILL finding bits of Firehose tendrils
[10:59:43] <dyingtolive> hmm. when's the meetings? that probably shouldn't be an issue.
[10:59:50] * NCommander coughs and excuses himself
[10:59:54] <NCommander> We're not exactly big on meetings
[10:59:56] <chromas> There's one every couple years
[10:59:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> well...
[11:00:09] <NCommander> chromas, thank you for pouring salt on that wound
[11:00:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i think the last one was about a year and a half ago
[11:00:17] <NCommander> Generally meetings only happen if shit hits the fan
[11:00:25] <dyingtolive> heh. i could probably manage that.
[11:00:34] <NCommander> I'm on an irregular schedule *at best*
[11:00:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya. if things is going smoothly we just drop into irc and leave a message.
[11:00:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> or email. or whatever.
[11:01:00] <NCommander> If we really need to bring something up
[11:01:01] <chromas> Anything happening for the third anniversary?
[11:01:06] <NCommander> It goes up as a community roundtable post
[11:01:09] <NCommander> And the staff chip in
[11:01:11] <NCommander> I make a decision
[11:01:12] <NCommander> and it happens
[11:01:30] <NCommander> The only real exception to that is tech stuff.
[11:01:31] <dyingtolive> reasonable enough.
[11:01:42] <NCommander> community doesn't need to vote on what distro we're running on
[11:01:49] <NCommander> Though tha would be amusing as fuck TBH
[11:02:11] <dyingtolive> i could probably manage some qa work on the side if needed. lord knows i do enough of that day in and day out.
[11:02:15] <chromas> Do a poll
[11:02:19] <crutchy> ~poll
[11:02:22] <NCommander> dyingtolive, more salt
[11:02:23] <chromas> An epoll since it's linux
[11:02:25] <NCommander> er chromas
[11:02:26] <crutchy> ~vote
[11:02:40] <chromas> sprinkle chef.gifv
[11:02:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, i'm still voting rolling release. there's no longer an excuse to be having to stop and upgrade your entire distro every few years.
[11:02:43] <NCommander> chromas, ..... real men use select()
[11:02:44] <crutchy> heh. still works
[11:02:46] <crutchy> http://sylnt.us
[11:02:49] <exec> └─ 13IRC:exec - SoylentNews
[11:03:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait... hang on...
[11:03:20] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, the problem is everytime we've done a major update, shit has broken. The last DB upgrade went smoothly but we were still touch and go
[11:03:36] <chromas> Find a gentoo-like distro where everything is pulled directly from source control
[11:03:46] <crutchy> use msdos... its the only way to be sure
[11:03:47] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, we'd get into the situation where we'd have to pin the rolling release on lithium then deploy it place by place
[11:04:03] <chromas> Run rehash in a container. containers are still coll right?
[11:04:14] <NCommander> We'd be forced to LXC
[11:04:18] <chromas> s/(o)/\1\1/
[11:04:18] <sedctl> <chromas> Run rehash in a coontainer. containers are still coll right?
[11:04:26] <NCommander> and LXC has issues with both systemd and upstart
[11:04:28] <chromas> Chromas--
[11:04:28] <Bender> karma - chromas: 185
[11:04:34] * crutchy wonders if it would be possible to get rehash working on a sheevaplug
[11:04:38] <chromas> Can't use machinectl?
[11:04:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, yer lookin at it wrong. you don't HAVE to upgrade any package you don't want to, specifiable by major/minor versions on gentoo/calculate.
[11:04:46] <chromas> er, systemd-nspawnd or whatevs
[11:04:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> so there are NEVER unexpected upgrades.
[11:04:58] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, except I often can only get security updates by jumping ahead majors and not backporting
[11:05:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[11:05:16] <crutchy> chromas, did i mention that i'm a systemd convert?
[11:05:19] <NCommander> libssl rountinely breaks its API. If we don't get a backport, then we have to upgrade the whole stack
[11:05:24] <NCommander> Which means we have to rebuild Apache.
[11:05:25] <chromas> I think it's time NCommander got back into the distro game
[11:05:26] * crutchy puts redhat on
[11:05:37] * NCommander fires crutchy out of a cannon into a sun.
[11:05:54] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, unless you want to put the entire stack as ebuilds so I can do emerge --world
[11:06:07] <chromas> crutchy: I'm okay with it. I usually only have to reboot three or four times during boot when systemd decides to wait forever on disks that just mounted
[11:06:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, that ain't a bad idea really.
[11:06:19] <crutchy> !grab NCommander
[11:06:19] <Bender> Added quote 815
[11:06:20] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, ... what pisses me off is I said it, and I realized it wasn't.
[11:06:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> binary overlay of our own.
[11:06:42] <chromas> Sounds like libssl sucks
[11:06:42] <NCommander> We'd basically have to offline a node to upgrade it due to the emerge process
[11:06:56] <NCommander> chromas, it's openssl. That codebase eats children and craps out security bugs.
[11:07:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> well yeah, but you have to do that anyhow when you switch to the new version.
[11:07:15] <chromas> isn't that the one with all the while(1)s and similar?
[11:07:25] <NCommander> chromas, that actually exists for *horrid* reasons
[11:07:34] <crutchy> while(1) is probably its man page
[11:07:35] <chromas> goto++
[11:07:35] <Bender> karma - goto: 11
[11:07:40] <NCommander> To prevent crypt breaks
[11:07:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> otherwise you're running a version that the libraries may have been utterly removed from disk for.
[11:07:53] <chromas> Sounds like a design flaw
[11:08:01] <NCommander> chromas, its due to a math break on TLS 1.2
[11:08:11] <chromas> If they can change the api for no reason, seems like they could fit in some design fixes too
[11:08:14] <crutchy> needs .net
[11:08:18] <NCommander> If you can determine the number of cycles an encryption takes for a given plaintext, you can build a way to decode
[11:08:52] <NCommander> The "fix" without breaking TLS 1.2 entirely was to get AES and all CBC based algos to encrypt in O(1) no matter the input, including spinlocking the proc
[11:09:12] <crutchy> that sounds like a star trek monologue
[11:09:19] * chromas builds a wall around TLS 1.2
[11:09:27] <NCommander> It's cryptography. That shit is fucking voodoo
[11:09:45] <NCommander> I understand the code, I even understand the algorthims. I know I'm not fucking smart enough to try to implement it
[11:09:45] <crutchy> "did you try reversing the polarity of the modulation harmonic?"
[11:09:52] * TheMightyBuzzard stabs his gewg_ doll with pointy things
[11:09:54] <NCommander> crutchy, look up the Lucky 13 attack.
[11:09:59] * chromas still can't get full duplex
[11:10:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, ethtool
[11:10:25] <crutchy> whatever happened to ol' gewg_?
[11:10:27] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, on a broader issue, I still think Linux long term has a bad outlook, and I hate nearly everything about it TBH :/
[11:10:34] <dyingtolive> apt-get remove NetworkManager?
[11:10:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's still on site but annoyed with me
[11:10:36] <crutchy> he probably had an aneurism when hillary lost
[11:10:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> so no irc
[11:10:58] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, the kernel is a bloated trainwreck. Canonical is smoking crap, and Red Hat launched off into orbit a few decades ago.
[11:11:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, like democracy. it's the worst thing out there except for everything else.
[11:11:13] <crutchy> and microsoft isn't the bad guy anymore
[11:11:16] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, FreeBSD :P
[11:11:18] <crutchy> wtf is going on with the world?
[11:11:28] <NCommander> crutchy, Red Hat is mimicking 90s Microsoft
[11:11:30] <NCommander> Srsly
[11:11:31] <dyingtolive> freebsd++
[11:11:31] <Bender> karma - freebsd: 7
[11:12:06] <chromas> freebsd lacks systemd though. no thanks
[11:12:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, gak. i prefer wide-ranging hardware support. last i checked such a thing was not in the color wheel of *BSD.
[11:12:08] <NCommander> Largest headache with that is their kerberos implementation isn't 100% compatible with ours due to differences in the KDC> We'd probably have to re-generate and re-initialize the entire domain
[11:12:11] <crutchy> lucky we have our saviour jebus torvalds our lord
[11:12:24] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, we're running on VMs.
[11:12:30] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I'm not asking you to convert.
[11:12:42] <chromas> Desktops need graphic drivers
[11:12:44] <crutchy> he just needs to stand on the mount, and tell everyone which way to fuck off
[11:12:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> if i don't convert i don't learn it well enough to admin
[11:13:09] <NCommander> Torvalds really pisses me off much more than Theo ever did
[11:13:20] <dyingtolive> bsd's not so bad. seriously. i've seen better hardware support in it than some linux distros. just let it in. it hurts the first time, but it's not so bad after.
[11:13:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean fuck, i plug my phone in to my computer to charge the other day and it bloody mounts as a drive. which i'd been trying to get it to do in windows and linux for years.
[11:13:48] <crutchy> it was probably the ferarri. now he's like emperor palpatine
[11:13:53] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, ... that's worked fine for me in Ubuntu 14.04. It stopped working on systemd and I had to do my first full system restore ever.
[11:14:23] <NCommander> I'm honestly at the point that I don't think Linux stands a chance to succeed in the desktop market
[11:14:23] <crutchy> "something something something systemd... something something something complete
[11:14:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine's an oddball phone. has its own fucked up method of usb file sharing.
[11:14:46] <NCommander> Primarily because Red Hat and Canonical can't get their acts together. I honestly though Ubuntu could, but they've backslid so far its not even funny.
[11:14:47] <crutchy> NCommander, it probably shouldn't either
[11:14:51] <crutchy> its a good server OS
[11:15:06] <chromas> We need a new major distro
[11:15:08] <crutchy> and phones n routers n shit\
[11:15:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> regular mount as a drive file sharing doesn't work. gotta use their proprietary version, which linux started supporting without me finding out until i plugged it in the other day.
[11:15:22] <chromas> Soylenox
[11:15:23] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, cause of MTP. Microsoft
[11:15:29] <NCommander> So they don't ahve to expose a filesystem
[11:15:35] <NCommander> MTP is basically FTP over a USB cable.
[11:15:40] <crutchy> chromas, we need Standard Linux
[11:15:45] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[11:15:50] * NCommander punches crutchy due to memories of LSB
[11:16:06] <crutchy> lol. now i'm getting nostalgic
[11:16:09] * chromas hands out FreeDesktop leaflets
[11:16:22] <NCommander> crutchy, you joke, I had to work on defining LSB for ARM *and* validating it
[11:16:26] <NCommander> God that fucking sucked.
[11:16:27] <NCommander> Hard.
[11:16:40] <chromas> sudo ethtool -s enp3s0 duplex full
[11:16:40] <chromas> Cannot advertise duplex full
[11:16:47] * chromas gets the hammer
[11:17:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit, how do ya change poll options post creation?
[11:17:11] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, edit the DB
[11:17:12] <crutchy> see that's why i use windows xp
[11:17:17] <dyingtolive> chromas, did you crimp those cables yourself?
[11:17:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, there it is
[11:17:19] <crutchy> its way more advanced
[11:17:22] <chromas> Are you making a poll about the next soylent os?
[11:17:23] <NCommander> chromas, honestly, I could lead a project to build a new distribution from scratch. I have the technical knowledge to do so.
[11:17:39] <chromas> That's be pretty sweet
[11:17:44] <chromas> Need to bring in some investors
[11:17:47] <NCommander> But I don't think I could convicne people to use it or build it
[11:17:52] * TheMightyBuzzard adds ext4 to the ext list
[11:17:53] <crutchy> NCommanderux
[11:18:16] <NCommander> Probably call it something like Continuity.
[11:18:21] <crutchy> if it doesn't have an x in the name, it will fail
[11:18:21] <chromas> The real big issue with Linux is it doesn't run Norton
[11:18:33] <NCommander> chromas, we ship WINE out of the box and sign a deal with SYmnatic
[11:18:43] <chromas> dyingtolive: no but good point. I should try some other cableses
[11:18:57] <dyingtolive> i wouldn't rule it out at that point.
[11:19:02] <crutchy> i think i have a norton system utilities iso somewhere
[11:19:12] <NCommander> I have an old SystemWorks ISO somewhere
[11:19:16] <crutchy> need to decompile it and reverse the modulation polarity
[11:19:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> NCommander, s'fine as long as i don't have to shut the whole box down and spend a day updating every few years.
[11:19:42] <chromas> Just use Cloud Linux
[11:19:43] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, what I would likely do is use APT as a basis, and define a solid API/ABI, and then stick to it.
[11:19:52] <NCommander> For X year periods
[11:19:57] <crutchy> as long as it has php its all good :)
[11:20:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds good. like slackware with package management.
[11:20:13] <chromas> What about Lennart's idea of using BTRFS subvolumes as packages?
[11:20:26] <NCommander> Fuck. Lennart.
[11:20:33] <chromas> or snapshots I guess. That was a couple years ago
[11:20:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> you mean the filesystem that is still corrupting data? lurve that idea.
[11:20:47] <crutchy> anyone watched that 'expanse' series?
[11:20:52] <crutchy> humans will be like that in space
[11:20:56] <NCommander> What amazes me Oracle throws a lot of money into BtrFS when they could just relicense ZFS
[11:20:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, new season just started didn't it?
[11:20:59] <crutchy> just as fucked up
[11:21:05] <chromas> Any filesystem that causes firefox to lock up when I'm copying a file is fine by me
[11:21:30] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, dunno. it probably wont come out on aussie netflix for a few months after US or something
[11:21:32] <crutchy> per usual
[11:21:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, stjfs(stone tablet journaling file system)
[11:21:56] <chromas> chiselctl
[11:21:59] <crutchy> every file should have its own vm
[11:22:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, i despair at your resourcefulness
[11:22:34] <chromas> Anyone play with hammerfs lately?
[11:22:42] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, i never wanted netflix. missus used one of her friends account and then eventually i ended up paying some so i though fucket i might as well use it
[11:23:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> #g the expanse s02e01 site:extratorrent.cc
[11:23:16] <MrPlow> sorry, there were no results for your query
[11:23:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> lies!
[11:23:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> #g the expanse site:extratorrent.cc
[11:23:29] <MrPlow> http://extratorrent.cc's+Ashes+by+James+S.A.+Corey+(The+Expanse+%236)+ePub+%5BDr.Soc%5D.html - "Babylons Ashes by James S.A. Corey The Expanse 6 ePub Dr.Soc torrent download - ExtraTorrent.cc."
[11:23:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg. in any case it's on the bloody internet
[11:25:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK Completes Antarctic Halley Base Relocation - http://sylnt.us - get-the-flamethrowers-ready
[11:26:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[11:26:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[11:26:04] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 307
[11:26:46] <dyingtolive> well, 5:30 am and some 12 beers later, i think i've proven everyhting i need to. going to bed. good luck in your realizing bsd is the one true disto
[11:27:33] <crutchy> leica makes the one true disto
[11:27:51] <chromas> lensux?
[11:28:02] <crutchy> laserx
[11:29:13] <dyingtolive> last thought for the night. invent your own disro. invent ebonix. the funny invents itself, and fuck em if they can't take a joke.
[11:30:30] <crutchy> newyorknix
[11:30:54] <dyingtolive> let's not get vulgar.
[11:32:49] <chromas> There was a similar distro a few years ago
[11:32:54] <dyingtolive> flyovernix. or hillbillynix. or huffingtonpost-cant-figure-out-why-the-midwest-doesnt-accept-their-libral-betters-nix i don't even knwo
[11:33:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck's sake. it's cold enough out there it could put a feller off smoking.
[11:33:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~weather
[11:33:43] <exec> 10Humboldt, TN, USA - currently 21°F, partly cloudy, wind SE at 2 mph, humidity 68% - Saturday mostly sunny (40°F:48°F), Sunday partly cloudy (45°F:59°F), Monday rain (61°F:64°F), Tuesday thunderstorm (40°F:65°F)
[11:34:08] <crutchy> ~weather
[11:34:10] <exec> 06Melbourne VIC - currently 22°C, clear with periodic clouds, wind SW at 18 km/h, humidity 63% - Saturday scattered showers (19°C:36°C), Sunday thunderstorm (17°C:30°C), Monday showers (13°C:18°C), Tuesday mostly sunny (14°C:27°C)
[11:34:20] <dyingtolive> that sounds about right. i had to turn up the heat to 70. felt like a pussy.
[11:34:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but mine's in real degrees
[11:34:36] <crutchy> ~convert 36 C F
[11:34:36] <exec> 0336°C = 96.8°F
[11:34:54] <dyingtolive> that's almost worse.
[11:35:04] <crutchy> dunno what happened to the scattered showers
[11:35:08] <crutchy> i guess they scattered
[11:35:25] <dyingtolive> makes sense.
[11:36:03] <crutchy> 30 is a nice summer temp
[11:37:53] <dyingtolive> we get about two weeks of enjoyable weather. one after winter, the other after fall. the rest of the time, it's either over 80 with 90+% humidity or under 40 with 0% humidity.
[11:38:22] <dyingtolive> but man, those two weeks are awesome.
[11:38:57] <dyingtolive> anywya, i think bed was supposed to happen.
[11:39:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[11:39:22] <crutchy> ~time dyingtolive
[11:39:23] <exec> Saturday, 4 February 2017 @ 5:39 am GMT-6 - St. Louis, MO, USA
[11:40:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, have you used ethtool and fixed your duplex prollem yet?
[11:43:56] <crutchy> apt-get install debian
[11:44:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> slapt-get install freedos
[11:45:16] <chromas> no but it says it already is full
[11:45:28] <chromas> so I guess it's just networkmanager being a dick and lying
[11:45:42] * chromas only had it installed to screw with ipv6 easier
[11:45:58] <crutchy> ipv6 screws with itself
[11:47:36] <chromas> True. I had to tweak the MTU to get sites like archlinux.org to connect
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[12:06:10] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:06:10] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3179
[12:06:12] <Bytram> !uid
[12:06:12] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6488, owned by spinesurgeonseo
[12:06:21] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[12:06:22] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently -13°F, cloudy, wind S at 1 mph, humidity 70% - Saturday partly cloudy (-2°F:11°F), Sunday snow showers (13°F:25°F), Monday partly cloudy (-10°F:15°F), Tuesday mostly cloudy (3°F:10°F)
[12:06:26] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[12:06:27] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 18°F, partly cloudy, wind W at 9 mph, humidity 60% - Saturday mostly sunny (22°F:29°F), Sunday cloudy (26°F:38°F), Monday mostly sunny (18°F:29°F), Tuesday snow (27°F:29°F)
[12:06:29] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[12:06:31] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 21°F, clear, wind W at 12 mph, humidity 53% - Saturday mostly sunny (26°F:33°F), Sunday cloudy (29°F:43°F), Monday sunny (26°F:35°F), Tuesday rain and snow (37°F:40°F)
[12:10:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[12:11:01] * exec cantankerously culturally enriches a bowl of santa's semen with Bytram
[12:11:08] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[12:11:09] * exec scientifically pits a rar archive of a generic insult against TheMightyBuzzard
[12:11:16] <Bytram> tie
[12:11:31] <Bytram> howz thingz? besides a bit chilly, that is.
[12:13:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, fair i spose. just monkeying around building the 4.9.7 kernel.
[12:14:02] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:14:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> catching up on friday news reading as well
[12:14:31] <Bytram> hmmm, might make for a good poll question... What distro(s) of Linux do you run?
[12:18:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake Bytram
[12:18:06] * MrPlow smakes Bytram upside the head with a stack frame
[12:34:28] <cmn32480> it's 22 degrees outside... my kids wanted to go hiking
[12:34:37] <cmn32480> off we go... and they will regret it I'm sure
[12:34:53] <cmn32480> or they ar gonna love it, and this is how I am gonna spend every cold ass Saturday until eternity
[12:35:08] <cmn32480> ~gday the mighty
[12:35:09] * exec irresponsibly slides a quart of mild sauce to the
[12:35:13] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[12:35:14] * exec unnecessarily planks a barrel of active directory for TheMightyBuzzard
[12:35:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[12:35:24] * exec sardonically pairs a B-tree of lard with cmn32480
[12:35:28] <cmn32480> I'll be back later... frozen
[12:35:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy
[12:43:52] <Bytram> ~gday cmn32480
[12:43:53] * exec brazenly nudges an XFS volume of slack toward cmn32480
[13:01:52] <chromas> XFS on Slack. Meet the new sn server build!
[13:03:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> we could prolly pull that off
[13:04:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, i'm feelin me some starcraft 2
[13:06:16] <chromas> Still running it in wine?
[13:06:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> gotta wait on a kernel build on the ole laptop though. started it over ssh.
[13:06:21] <chromas> Works pretty well eh
[13:06:35] <chromas> detach?
[13:06:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, buggy in wine. been playin it in winders.
[13:06:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Slow-Released Fertilizer is More Effective and Reduces Run-Off - http://sylnt.us - immediately-patented
[13:07:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, i could ^Z then bg %1 then disown %1 but i'm too lazy.
[13:07:06] <chromas> Which wine build?
[13:07:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> 2.0
[13:07:22] <chromas> Using wine-gaming-nine or something?
[13:07:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> just wine
[13:07:42] <chromas> Those from the AUR work a lot better in my vast, magnificent experience
[13:07:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> possibly but i ain't on arch no more.
[13:08:16] * TheMightyBuzzard is free of the systemd beastie
[13:09:28] <chromas> Well, a build with the gallium-nine or that other patch set
[13:09:51] * chromas forgot. lsmt or summin'
[13:10:21] <chromas> systemd++
[13:10:21] <Bender> karma - systemd: -30
[13:10:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, yeah i built it with gallium-nine
[13:10:59] <chromas> Still buggy eh
[13:11:28] <chromas> Usually ran fine for me once I got the right nvidia driver installed, but it would get slow with lava around
[13:11:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. one of the bugs "have to kill -9 it to exit" is even noted in the appdb
[13:11:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, i'm using the amdgpu driver.
[13:12:09] <chromas> I think the arch wiki or somewhere said my card needed the legacy driver but the current one works better
[13:12:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> but it's not driver bugs. it's prolly a wine having issues with the cracked exe bug.
[13:12:49] <chromas> tsk tsk tsk
[13:12:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know. i feel just terrible about it.
[13:13:05] <chromas> #smake crackers
[13:13:05] * MrPlow smakes crackers upside the head with a paper airplane
[13:13:10] <chromas> They need to debug
[13:13:10] <jasassin> the incoming message from jasassin was 'the incoming message from chromas was 'They need to debug''
[13:13:10] <jasassin> the incoming message from chromas was 'They need to debug'
[13:13:21] <chromas> jasassin: #triggered
[13:13:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck em for forcing me to be online.
[13:13:34] <chromas> script triggers
[13:14:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i hadda put him on ignore this morning cause of those fucking scripts
[13:15:24] <chromas> I beat sc2 using a cracked version. then later someone bought me a copy
[13:15:38] <chromas> good timing
[13:17:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't buy PC games that ya gotta be online to play.
[13:18:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> if it's not a mmo or at least moba it has no business sending any info over the net. period.
[13:18:27] * chromas puts sim city 5 in tmb's stocking
[13:19:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, it ain't cool to have folks on ignore.
[13:19:39] * TheMightyBuzzard removes jasassin and quiets him until he wakes up and gets rid of those scripts
[13:19:42] <chromas> write a script to auto-un-ignore after a bit
[13:19:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> .quiet jasassin
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[13:21:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> pancakes tomorrow i think. not feeling them today and i traditionally only ever make them on sunday.
[13:43:46] <Bytram> oh, ain't this nice: http://finance.yahoo.com
[13:43:48] <exec> └─ 13Donald Trump’s Tax Plan Could Tack $10 Trillion onto America’s Debt
[13:44:32] * Bytram looks around in his couch cushions... the remembers he does not have a couch.
[13:46:26] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[13:46:26] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 282
[14:36:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Neuroscience Explains Why We Get Hacked So Easily - http://sylnt.us - darned-monkey-brain
[15:54:45] <Runaway1956> ~submit https://www.scientificamerican.com
[15:54:48] <exec> └─ 13150-Year Journey to Alpha Centauri Proposed [Video] - Scientific American
[15:55:18] <exec> error: something went wrong with your submission
[15:55:59] <Runaway1956> The article might be considered a "suggestion" - more than a submission. Wall of text, kinda runs in circles - it needs more editing than I'm willing to do.
[15:56:12] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.scientificamerican.com
[15:56:15] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[15:56:15] <exec> └─ 13150-Year Journey to Alpha Centauri Proposed [Video] - Scientific American
[15:56:40] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[15:57:01] <Runaway1956> Heh - Mr. Plow likes SA, and exec doesn't.
[16:02:51] <pinchy> https://www.youtube.com
[16:02:52] <exec> └─ 13Indian Thriller - Girly Man (English Lyrics) - YouTube
[16:06:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Produce Electricity by Evaporating Water From a Chunk of Soot - http://sylnt.us - just-add-plasma
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[17:55:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FCC to Make Proposals Public, Rescinds Net Neutrality Claims - http://sylnt.us - transparent-and-neutral
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[18:56:28] <cmn32480> blerg... I hate hanging curtain rods
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[20:37:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Can Combining Plants & Robots Into 'Bio-Hybrids' Help Grow Architecture & Food? - http://sylnt.us - eating-our-bots
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[20:58:30] <SirFinkus> https://www.amazon.com lmao, those stock product photos
[20:58:34] <SirFinkus> IT FLOATS
[22:05:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Art of the Troll: New Tool Reveals Twitter Posting Patterns - http://sylnt.us - tweeting-twits
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[22:53:14] <SirFinkus> OH FUCK YES
[22:53:16] <SirFinkus> IT'S HERE
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[22:55:18] <chromas> Your new B string?
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[22:57:59] <SirFinkus> no, my lava lamp
[22:59:41] -!- mrpg [mrpg!~Thunderbi@Soylent/Staff/Editor/mrpg] has parted #Soylent
[23:03:15] <SirFinkus> http://i.imgur.com
[23:03:20] <SirFinkus> christ, I should dust
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[23:36:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Milky Way is Not Only Being Pulled—It's Also “Pushed” by a Void - http://sylnt.us - the-nothing
[23:39:23] <chromas> SirFinkus: I don't see it floating. Put it on a stock photo of dogs or something
[23:40:07] * chromas zooms into the reflections and enhances to see all around the room
[23:40:24] <SirFinkus> it takes like 2 hours to warm up
[23:40:25] <SirFinkus> god
[23:40:32] <SirFinkus> it's like you've never heard of lava lamps before
[23:40:52] <chromas> Put it in the microwave for 30 seconds
[23:40:57] <chromas> on medium
[23:45:53] <charon_> lava lamps were great in the 60s
[23:46:09] <charon_> Make Lava Lamps Great Again!
[23:48:16] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[23:48:18] <exec> └─ 1320121006 - Lava lamp warming up timelapse - YouTube