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[00:16:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lucy in the Sky With Protein: Key to LSD's Psychoactive Potency Possibly Found - http://sylnt.us - dept-dept-dept
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[01:01:27] <FatPhil> you lose
[01:03:22] <FatPhil> i've had a great week, not popped one melatonin pill at all, and it looks like my body knows when to sleep, but no.
[01:04:01] <FatPhil> let's wake up at 3am, because that makes perfect sense.
[01:05:16] <charon_> so the answer is stay up until 3am and make your body really tired
[01:05:57] <FatPhil> I was at a beer festival until 9pm, then hit 3 more pubs.
[01:06:17] <FatPhil> I have *no* reason to be awake
[01:07:36] <charon_> read an economics textbook?
[01:08:03] <FatPhil> I'm going back to the festival tomorrow, so I was moderating things, but I'm not going to pretend I wasn't nicely relaxed 3 hours ago.
[01:08:48] <FatPhil> I do have an economics book in one of my browser windows at home
[01:10:28] <FatPhil> yesterday I fell asleep to an Infinite Monkey Cage episode. But being a stupid cunt, I woke up 5 minutes after it had finished.d
[01:11:48] <charon_> my brother's wife cannot sleep without having a tv on. maybe you just need some constant sound
[01:15:00] <FatPhil> there's no logic to it. I think temperature's important, though.
[01:15:42] <Deucalion> Have tinnitus at any time FatPhil?
[01:16:18] <FatPhil> it's been a thing for about 6 months now, and I've not really spotted a pattern.
[01:16:46] <FatPhil> oooh, I've had more tinnitus recently than before
[01:18:12] <charon_> tinnitus is rough. i have it pretty strong in both ears
[01:18:37] <FatPhil> I'm basically just blaming everything on hormones Everything's changed since I hit 45.
[01:19:14] <FatPhil> can't sleep at night time, can't stay awake at day time.
[01:19:30] <Deucalion> well hitting a beer festival will do that :) Both the tinnitus and the restlessness. That crash then wake at stupid o'clock thing with mind racing... yeah... again... beer.
[01:20:08] <Deucalion> Or clinical depression....
[01:20:10] <FatPhil> I've been doing beer festivls for decades, this s different
[01:20:17] <Deucalion> Or a mid life crisis :D
[01:20:35] <Deucalion> You weren't 45 decades ago :P
[01:21:33] <FatPhil> true, true
[01:21:44] <charon_> you're turning into an old person who only needs 3 hours of sleep and stays up waiting for the morning newspaper to come
[01:22:44] <FatPhil> yeah, and then after lunch pull up my granny blanket and sleep for 4 hours.
[01:22:59] <FatPhil> Maybe I'm reverting to being biphasic.
[01:23:44] <Deucalion> Beered up sleep doesn't allow the grey matter to do its thing that it usually does during REM. Beered up sleep goes from awake to deep cycle, then you wake up as it wears off or need to pee (another 40s phenomenon). Anyways.... if I were in position to preach I'd be a preacher :D
[01:24:14] <FatPhil> your job is to bore me!
[01:24:28] <charon_> yep, i've noticed my bladder seemingly getting smaller in the last couple years
[01:25:37] <FatPhil> In the last 6 months (since sleep bbecame topsy-turvy) I've fund that beer was generally regulating - it would keep me asleep at night.
[01:26:12] <Deucalion> That I can do. Shall we discuss the deeper implications of Brexit on the state of the EU project as a whole, the Trump chaos monkey or various shades of carpet fading? Otherwise subject of your choice... I could give a reasoned opinion that sounds valid on any matter from any perspective right now.
[01:26:40] <Deucalion> Or at least believe I could*
[01:26:55] <FatPhil> The only implication of Brexit is that the shithole can burn.
[01:27:19] <FatPhil> however, I'd like my savings out of the UK banks first.
[01:27:21] <Deucalion> define shithole
[01:27:36] <Deucalion> UK - shithole?
[01:27:36] <FatPhil> you're good :-)
[01:28:11] <FatPhil> Yeah, UK, nationality I was assigned at birth.
[01:28:14] <Deucalion> Better believe it baby..... /me jiggles a little
[01:28:42] <Deucalion> That sounds like some alt-sexuality you've never been comfortable with
[01:29:30] <FatPhil> it's a terminology I started using a few weks ago, because I liked the parallel it drew.
[01:30:02] <FatPhil> of course I was assigned that nationality - because that's my fucking nationality!!!!!
[01:30:27] <charon_> i need national reassignment surgery
[01:30:39] <Deucalion> Oh wait... you're going to assail me with how your birth certificate is your human self being sold to the corporate state by your parents outwith their knowledge of what they were doing... and how you are not the al CAPITALS name on the piece of paper in the court today m'lud.
[01:30:47] <FatPhil> yeah, that requires learning a foreign language
[01:31:37] <FatPhil> erm, ok, there's still some beer in my system, that's gonna take rereading...
[01:31:40] <Deucalion> Plenty of vaguely more anglophone places to fuck off to :)
[01:32:46] <FatPhil> well, if Canada would take me, I think I'd be happy.
[01:33:21] <FatPhil> hrm, need to find a charger, phone going flat...
[01:33:33] <Deucalion> You may want to re-check that thought. They do run a points based system... tis on a website you can clicky through to get an idea if you'd get in.
[01:34:58] <charon_> monaco
[01:35:34] * Deucalion checks bank balance.... hmm... doubt they'd let me in as a tourist :)
[01:36:05] <charon_> prolly not, you don't have enough to lose in the casinos
[01:36:50] <Deucalion> #fite charon_
[01:36:50] <MrPlow> #fite temporarily restricted to the channel #fite
[01:37:07] <FatPhil> I think Monaco would laugh sneerily and pitifully at me.
[01:37:33] <Deucalion> charon_ /j #fite
[01:37:43] <charon_> pssh
[01:38:01] <charon_> so i can witness my humiliation?
[01:38:25] <charon_> how the hell did i win?
[01:38:46] <FatPhil> what did you win?
[01:39:20] <charon_> a set of steak knives
[01:39:47] <FatPhil> I still need a set o steak knives.
[01:39:56] <charon_> i beat juggsy in a #fite, and then my own alter ego too
[01:40:00] <Deucalion> To do what with?
[01:40:12] <FatPhil> OK, maybe I don't
[01:40:45] <FatPhil> 90% ofthe time I by a nice steak Ijust turn it into tartare
[01:40:56] <Deucalion> Watching QVC FatPhil... woahhh.... I need that super steam floor cleaning kit for only 84321749 instalments of 2 pence a day.
[01:41:01] <charon_> still need a knife
[01:41:35] <FatPhil> Ihave the single knife for makig tartare, no need for any others
[01:42:38] <FatPhil> damn, now you're making me hungry. at 3:42 this isn't useful
[01:43:02] <charon_> you've been drinking bread all evening
[01:43:18] * Deucalion envisions FatPhil pulling his knife out from the back of his long leather overcoat a la Blade stylee... this motherfucking knife.... last night I made steak tartare with it... now it's your turn... once I ~yawn~ just have a nap
[01:43:21] <FatPhil> liquid bread, yes
[01:43:39] <charon_> lol
[01:43:39] <Deucalion> kebab!!
[01:43:44] <FatPhil> :-)
[01:43:47] <Deucalion> gyros!!
[01:44:17] <charon_> surely in a town full of beer festival revellers there's a kebab place open all night
[01:44:19] <FatPhil> damn, I don't evenknow where the good kebab places are in this town
[01:44:28] <Deucalion> heart attack in a pitta pocket... hey it's must be healthy it includes some salad :D
[01:44:47] <FatPhil> onions you can taste for 2 days
[01:44:58] <charon_> you say that like it's bad
[01:45:02] <Deucalion> at both ends :D
[01:45:11] <FatPhil> oh, did I say you're not helping?!
[01:45:41] <charon_> at your service
[01:45:42] <Deucalion> 01:45 here and I know where the nearest kebabage is and know its open.... grr
[01:45:55] <Deucalion> must not....
[01:46:29] <FatPhil> I'm not at home, I'm in Helsinki. At home, my local 24h kebab is <5m walk from home
[01:47:22] <Deucalion> Well... mebber a pickle herring or something?
[01:47:32] <FatPhil> I went back to my university town last week, and none of the kebab vans I remembered still existed :-(
[01:47:32] <charon_> hmm, do finns even eat kebab?
[01:47:52] <FatPhil> finns do a good kebab pizza
[01:47:55] <charon_> don't they have a think that's a ridiculous suasage covered in breading and spices?
[01:48:02] <Deucalion> That's the bastard thing with vans... they have, ummm wheels... and move n shit
[01:48:15] <charon_> also, i cannot spell tonight
[01:48:15] <FatPhil> naaaah
[01:48:54] <FatPhil> when I was at uni, it was the same van in the same place every night.
[01:49:49] <FatPhil> everyone had their own meat, everyone had their own chilli sauce - you could chose whichever ombo you wanted
[01:50:33] <charon_> https://en.wikipedia.org
[01:50:34] <Deucalion> My local kebabage is bricks n mortar, been there since the 80s, still in the same ownership, still getting A+ ratings for hygiene and the kebabs are, well, still great as they were 20 years ago. Except I think the chilli sauce got milder over time, but that could indicate the decline of my taste faculties.
[01:50:34] <exec> └─ 13Porilainen - Wikipedia
[01:50:39] <FatPhil> but that was in the 80s
[01:50:47] <FatPhil> tuplaporilainen
[01:51:15] <FatPhil> the fucking kiosks selling those don't exist any more
[01:51:33] <FatPhil> pyytipannu was my favourite
[01:51:37] <charon_> what? it sounds like the best thing about finland
[01:51:38] <FatPhil> all gone
[01:52:33] <Deucalion> build a wall.... that'll help :) No idea what it'll help but build it from fish corpses. It'll help someone... perhaps fish corpse suppliers perhaps?!
[01:52:39] <FatPhil> you would wake u in the morning stinking of the relish on the porilaista, I remember it well
[01:53:10] <Deucalion> That smell was the partner of the night next to you not the relish... just saying
[01:53:23] <FatPhil> if you had the garlic relish, you couldn't speak to someone for days
[01:53:42] <FatPhil> "kaikki" was never the correct response.
[01:54:32] <Deucalion> You tart. Garlic breath is the ideal time to negotiate the best deals... you'd get a yes and a signature just to make the smell go away :D
[01:54:41] <charon_> heh
[01:55:03] <FatPhil> maybe that's why I was never good at business
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[01:55:51] <Deucalion> Mebbe it's I never was also :D ^^^ the above is what was going on in my mind. Not reality.
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[01:56:09] <Fnord666> https://en.wikipedia.org(restaurant)
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[01:57:07] <FatPhil> the only thing I know about white casle is that they made a shitty movie about 2 stoners goin there.
[01:57:29] <Fnord666> https://en.wikipedia.org(restaurant)#/media/File:White_Castle_hamburger.jpg
[01:57:31] <exec> └─ 13White Castle (restaurant) - Wikipedia
[01:57:47] <Fnord666> Also known as sliders or skillet scabs.
[01:57:59] <FatPhil> not seen it, obviously, as it ws clearly trash
[01:58:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Philips TVs: More Spy Than Smart - http://sylnt.us - they-know-everything-now
[01:58:15] <Fnord666> Harold and Kumar?
[01:58:24] * Deucalion sidles out of the room
[01:59:00] <FatPhil> fn: prolly
[01:59:38] <FatPhil> nearly got a job with phillips, on their tvs, a few years back
[01:59:47] <Fnord666> https://www.rottentomatoes.com
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[02:00:31] <FatPhil> they had no interest in me working remotely, so I told them to stuff it.
[02:00:54] <Fnord666> Probably just as well.
[02:01:17] <FatPhil> a linux kernel shop, with 9am-5pm mon-fri hours?!?!? get a grip.
[02:01:41] <Fnord666> Seriously?
[02:01:48] <Fnord666> I take it back then.
[02:01:49] <FatPhil> ooops, typing too loudly, gf's awake...
[02:02:24] <Fnord666> uh oh
[02:02:35] <charon_> Deucalion: come back with kebabs for everyone
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[02:03:23] <FatPhil> I wanted to stay livingin estonia, didn't wt to work in belgium 5 days a week, they wouldn't negotiate down to 4 days a week in belgium.
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[02:04:52] <FatPhil> they had shitty kernel development practices, I'd have torn my hair out
[02:05:12] <FatPhil> they're no good at open source.
[02:05:24] <charon_> work finally over. going home now. catch you in a while. unless you've figured out how to sleep, FatPhil
[02:05:35] <Fnord666> l8r charon_
[02:05:57] <FatPhil> hotel sauna starts in 2:30, that might help
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[02:06:07] <FatPhil> nightynight
[02:06:20] <Fnord666> I would think it would
[02:06:55] <Fnord666> wait, in the morning? 2:30am?
[02:07:12] <FatPhil> it's 4 now, starts at 6:30
[02:07:21] <FatPhil> in, not at
[02:07:35] <Fnord666> ah, my mistake.
[02:07:55] <Fnord666> not sleeping eh?
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[02:08:11] <Deucalion> well get away from your screens or learn to use red shift..... that subtle shit really does work
[02:08:24] <FatPhil> I'm seriously considering doing some work, bed's clearly not the place for me.
[02:08:42] * Deucalion senses an over tiredness in the force
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[02:09:03] <Deucalion> tired he is yet sense he will not listen too mmhmm
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[02:09:29] <FatPhil> not quite tire enough, alas
[02:09:32] <Deucalion> more regular sleep he should pursue
[02:09:55] <FatPhil> that's the problem. I can't do regular sleep
[02:10:34] <Fnord666> can you do biphasic sleep?
[02:10:37] <Deucalion> perhaps dig a hole for no reason would help... break regular pattern most conducive to sleep can be
[02:11:12] <FatPhil> tempted to try regular biphasic, might mess with g/f's schedules
[02:11:23] <Fnord666> probably
[02:11:36] <FatPhil> but my current lack of schedule already messes with that
[02:11:56] <Deucalion> Depends what you do when you wake up after the first phase....
[02:12:33] <FatPhil> I'm a slow waker, Ilike to laze.
[02:13:02] <Fnord666> ditto
[02:13:21] <Fnord666> not a real "hop out of bed and get going" kinda person
[02:13:29] <Fnord666> I'm not
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[02:16:45] <FatPhil> I haven't been chipper for half a year. If I knew excitement as due, then I couldbe very lively quite early.
[02:17:47] <FatPhil> Road trip down poland/czechia last year, ner town each day, I was as spritely as a teenager who'd had too much coke.
[02:18:01] <FatPhil> s/ner/new/
[02:18:01] <sedctl> <FatPhil> Road trip down poland/czechia last year, new town each day, I was as spritely as a teenager who'd had too much coke.
[02:24:23] <FatPhil> ok, I've found a story I can do some drunken shitposting to, I'll see if I can tire myself out on that.
[02:30:58] <Fnord666> Have fun!
[02:31:27] * Deucalion predicts the rancid sleep sapping monkey of disappointment will visit FatPhil once the "clever" posting is done... and still sleep will evade the grasp
[02:32:52] <FatPhil> as long as I get a high from the post, then maybe i can catch the wave of the trough that follows?
[02:33:13] <FatPhil> like a post-sex sleep
[02:33:18] <Fnord666> Deucalion i think your crystal ball needs aligning.
[02:34:01] <Deucalion> Not so much... you'll get that high. Then crash into bed FastPhil and all your mind will do is rerun how clever you were in those comments.... I'm in your head
[02:34:28] * FatPhil thinks that Deucalion needs to learn how to use hyphens
[02:35:20] * Deucalion thinks tabcomplete works for me and does not give a shit what anyone else thinks
[02:35:53] <FatPhil> you meant "sleep-sapping", which makes your sentence parseable.
[02:36:26] <FatPhil> otherwise, at this time of the morning, it's ungraphable.
[02:36:27] <Deucalion> hyphen-hyphen... ...---... ...---... ...---... ...---...
[02:36:54] <Fnord666> Somebody save him!
[02:37:06] <FatPhil> I never left the bed - I'm on my phone
[02:38:21] <FatPhil> oh, if you're /me-ing then the rest of the sentence also needs to be in the third person.
[02:38:51] <FatPhil> woooh, this drunken shitposting's fun - it might tire me out eventually!
[02:39:08] <Deucalion> I meant sleep sapping ..... I said sleep sapping... in no fucking world should those two words be hyphenated in that context... I said what I meant and what I said what I meant. SLEEP SAPPING ---- explain why you want that hyphenated with ref mofo... bring it..... /me jiggles /me adopts wait pose
[02:39:32] <FatPhil> erm, english grammar?
[02:40:03] <FatPhil> it's a compound adjective, thus hyphenated.
[02:40:49] * Deucalion tips hat to Fnord666 in passing
[02:41:04] * Fnord666 nods in reply
[02:41:11] <FatPhil> as any 7-year-old english speaker would know ;-p
[02:41:31] <Fnord666> so would shitposting also be hyphenated?
[02:41:57] * Deucalion fails FatPhil for not reading the full question. Refs. As well as modern common usage.
[02:42:06] <FatPhil> before it's adopted as a single word, yes, after then, then no.
[02:42:46] <Fnord666> fair point.
[02:43:27] <FatPhil> Deucalion: lack of "?" symbol makes your "question" hard to identify.
[02:44:15] <Deucalion> what sleep? sapping? would be horrible to see either as a single word. It would be like language was designed to communicate or something. Nah fuck that, it should be cast in aspic and never allowed to evolve... despite the fact English is the most bastarded language language with influence from all over the place that is always in flus. There is no place to be precious about a common parlance that covers the globe.
[02:44:44] <FatPhil> barstardised
[02:44:52] <FatPhil> flux
[02:45:10] <FatPhil> this is working
[02:45:43] <FatPhil> I reckon that if I peak in the next 15 minutes, I can probably crash.
[02:45:45] * Deucalion hands FatPhil a piece of chalk.... shame the blackboards are all gone... but I admire your attention to detail and pedantry. :)
[02:47:00] <charon> shitposting? runs to look at FatPhil's work
[02:47:23] <FatPhil> just spinning up the brain briefly, so that I can shut it down later.
[02:47:23] <Deucalion> Things are really worrying for you if you find my company preferable to a G/F already all snuggled up in bed. This is not my problem btw.....
[02:47:47] <FatPhil> she's sleeping
[02:48:02] <Deucalion> Not for long once you get there.... AMIRIGHT!
[02:48:02] <FatPhil> we're in a twin room tonight
[02:48:18] <Deucalion> sssssssssssssttttttttttttt goes that though
[02:48:21] <charon> so you're dressed alike?
[02:48:22] <Deucalion> t
[02:48:32] <Deucalion> lol
[02:48:38] <FatPhil> ho ho
[02:48:43] <Deucalion> matching pyjamas
[02:48:57] <charon> matching negligees
[02:48:58] <FatPhil> I'm not calling us both hos!
[02:48:59] <Deucalion> oh waut that shoud have been py-jama;s
[02:49:26] <FatPhil> I feel like I should be back on the beer now
[02:49:45] <charon> couldn't hurt
[02:49:46] <FatPhil> Deucalion is a Brit?
[02:49:56] * Deucalion does not comment
[02:50:10] <FatPhil> nice to see correct spellingif jimjams
[02:50:20] <FatPhil> s/if/ of/
[02:50:20] <sedctl> <FatPhil> nice to see correct spelling of jimjams
[02:51:45] <FatPhil> charon: unfortunately we decided to raid the beer shops tomorrow, before the pubs open, so right now I have no beer :(
[02:52:21] <charon> horrors. you must face the long gray dawn whilst sober
[02:52:30] <Fnord666> You chose ... poorly.
[02:52:50] <FatPhil> and by tomorrow, I mean "when I wake in 5 hours". Yeah, right.
[02:53:23] <Deucalion> there is no "correct" spelling when it comes to adopted English..... it was a bastard language to begin with at any given point in time. So if it gets bent a little again in another re-adoption, who cares... pedants can go fuck themselves at this point, it's not end of empire days anymore, the language has evolved and been adopted way beyond that.
[02:53:52] <FatPhil> well, we chose to go to a beer festival. I really wasn't expecting to be awake at this point in time
[02:54:22] <charon> Deucalion: yeah! people who care about usage may as well be French
[02:54:48] <Fnord666> bless their hearts.
[02:54:59] <FatPhil> spelling certainly evolves, I'm attached to some UK spellings, but deliberately prefer some US ones too.
[02:55:34] <Deucalion> I like US phonetic spelling.
[02:55:52] <Deucalion> Spell it like it sounds. Makes spulling easy
[02:55:53] <charon> wat r u taking abot?
[02:56:08] <Deucalion> shup bich
[02:56:16] <FatPhil> I am trying to wean myself off the "ph" in "sulfur", because there's no greek heritage to the word. use of a "phi" substitute is simply an affectation.
[02:56:36] <charon> i like aluminium cans
[02:57:50] <FatPhil> I'm about 70% behing Noah's spelling reforms, too. Some are a stretch too far.
[02:58:20] <Deucalion> behing?
[02:58:22] <charon> you could try twain's spelling reform
[02:58:32] <Deucalion> BEHEAD HIM!
[02:58:42] <Deucalion> BE-HEAD HIM!
[02:58:52] <Deucalion> CHOP HIS FUCKING HEAD OFF!
[02:59:06] <charon> the last one doesn't have the same magic
[02:59:11] <FatPhil> many of the barstardised spellings in english are because of norman (french) influence, so I'm quite happy to see them simplified, they weren't there originally.
[02:59:46] <Deucalion> When does a hyphen here or there matter? Language is for communication and as long as all parties can understand the language at any given time all is good.
[02:59:57] <FatPhil> I'm balancing my phone on my thumbs, and it's 5am, I reserve the right to make the occasional typo.
[03:01:01] <FatPhil> agreed, but if you look at the sentence one word at a time you'll find that it had a vastly different meaning until you got well into the sentence.
[03:01:06] <charon> Deucalion: you put the ö in co-öperate
[03:01:33] <FatPhil> that's the NY Post, isn't it?
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[03:04:11] <FatPhil> They, or whoever it is that still does phonetic diareses, are more stuck in the past than any UK publisher I know of. And they're proud of it.
[03:04:29] <charon> i would never use it in anything serious
[03:04:43] <charon> but it is terribly amusing to do it now
[03:04:58] <FatPhil> absolutely
[03:05:43] <FatPhil> I saw a talk by the chief editor, and basically she was most proud of being quirky and different.
[03:06:06] <charon> when i type spanish words, i try to always put in the correct diacritics
[03:06:30] <charon> proud of being quirky... i don't know how i would feel about such a person
[03:06:31] <FatPhil> I'm a racist bastard - ASCII or nothing
[03:07:05] <FatPhil> I do use "6" for O-tilde on IRC though
[03:07:29] <FatPhil> Ilu elu on 6lu
[03:07:48] <charon> sheiß
[03:08:29] <FatPhil> I've been IRCing for 23+ years, and occasionally I resort to { for a-umlaut, etc.
[03:08:45] <Fnord666> sheißkopf
[03:08:51] <FatPhil> utf was a pipe dream in those days
[03:08:58] <charon> stupid hexchat does not allow typing of high ascii chars. so annoying
[03:09:33] <FatPhil> latin-1 with the top bit stripped off, that's how you communicate!
[03:10:56] <FatPhil> my terminal would't show the fancy characters anyway, so I can't see hexchat's failings
[03:11:27] <charon> well fine, i'll do it for myself
[03:11:36] * Deucalion engages CTS/RTS flow control on the channel. XON-XOFF is off.
[03:11:38] <charon> and Fnord666. he thinks i'm cool
[03:11:48] * Deucalion waxes on and waxes off then jiggles
[03:12:04] <Deucalion> HAI!
[03:12:09] * FatPhil sends
[03:12:20] * FatPhil sends a ^S
[03:12:25] <Fnord666> sand the floor Deucalion
[03:12:38] <Fnord666> paint the fence
[03:12:44] <charon> a-ta-ta-ta-ta
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[03:13:02] <FatPhil> mister miyagi's marbles
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[03:13:11] * Deucalion exercises control characters
[03:13:15] <charon> alas poor Fnord666. I knew him , Deucalion
[03:13:54] <Fnord666> ah yes, rule number 1. Don't antagonize the ops.
[03:14:10] <Deucalion> See FatPhil.. if you don't hurry up I'll be the one snuggling up to your G/F :D
[03:14:25] <charon> petty abuse of power is his middle name
[03:14:44] <Deucalion> rule 0 - don't abuse your privs as an Op...
[03:14:45] <Fnord666> That's a long middle name. Does it fit on a Driver's License?
[03:14:47] <FatPhil> she wants to sleep
[03:15:10] <FatPhil> I think I want to sleep too now.
[03:15:13] <Deucalion> That works... so do you... and so do I. Race ya
[03:15:21] <charon> yay, we bored you enough
[03:15:34] <Fnord666> pleasant dreams FatPhil
[03:15:36] <Deucalion> I still have the paint option
[03:15:39] <FatPhil> Thanks guys, the banter has been both fun and useful!
[03:15:41] <charon> gnight guys
[03:16:00] * Deucalion summons channelling of EF
[03:17:04] <FatPhil> looking atthe time, I noticed something last week as I was back in my old uni digs. In my 2nd year, my room number was "5:15"
[03:17:14] * Deucalion glows gently against a misty dawn sky.... don't make me use this
[03:17:40] <Fnord666> FatPhil funny but that seems to happen twice a day.
[03:17:45] <FatPhil> which might only make sens to Who/Quadrophenia fans
[03:17:50] <charon> not scared. EF drops in to see the weather and then leaves
[03:18:25] <Fnord666> FatPhil whoosh. missed that one completely
[03:18:44] <FatPhil> Fnord666: so did I when I was at uni!
[03:18:47] <Fnord666> s/missed/I missed/
[03:18:47] <sedctl> <Fnord666> FatPhil whoosh. I missed that one completely
[03:19:02] <Deucalion> EF-castratro does... who do you think stole his extenders and now channels his essence?
[03:19:12] <FatPhil> on that nte, I'll leave you, with depressing tunes lulling me to sleep...
[03:19:24] <charon> cheerio, FatPhil
[03:20:05] <Fnord666> gnight FatPhil
[03:20:08] <Fnord666> get some rest.
[03:21:12] <Deucalion> well he was the life n soul of the party.. anyone fancy a beer? I hear there's a beer festival over in FatPhil land.. and at least one lonely G/F with an overtired B/F who never comes to bed :D grrrrrr /jiggle
[03:22:39] <charon> i'll be on the first flight o helsinki
[03:24:08] <Deucalion> I'm thinking you'll be both first and only - well I mean from in here, I'm sure there's a multitude of reasons to visit Helsinki.
[03:24:49] <charon> i hear finland is quite lovely. if you don't mind winter
[03:27:09] <Fnord666> and reindeer
[03:27:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Boeing Unveils New Spacesuits for Starliner Astronaut Taxi - http://sylnt.us - snazzy!
[03:29:11] <Deucalion> To be accepted I believe you have to crack the driest joke while maintaining an outward appearance of pure indifference. Pragmatic bunch on the whole /jigglyjuggs says from a position of zero experience while waving the obvious stereotype brush around.
[03:30:16] <charon> also occasional unreasoning violence
[03:33:53] <Deucalion> Ohhh yes... let us not forget that one sole time a deluded mentally ill youth shot up the place. Exceptional newsworthy thing that. At least he vaguely had motive (his mad beliefs). While we let slip non-reporting of countless more death by shootings in other places because that's just day to day shit and not newsworthy.
[03:34:04] <charon> no, not that
[03:34:24] <Deucalion> the fuck is this? Charades?
[03:34:30] <charon> i mean in the Scandanavian and the World comics
[03:34:58] <charon> where the personification of Finland almost never talks and brandishes a knife often
[03:35:25] <charon> https://satwcomic.com
[03:35:27] <exec> └─ 13Scandinavia and the World - Bye bye ambassador
[03:35:30] <charon> yes, charades
[03:36:24] <charon> everything i know about europe i learned from that webcomic
[03:38:02] <Deucalion> It may be closer to the truth than anything you may glean through other means short of visiting to see. Just bear in mind it is caricature of course :)
[03:38:58] <charon> of course. though i'm pretty sure all you brits wear monocles
[03:39:02] <Deucalion> Although being a Brit... those Vikings with their surly ways still scare me!
[03:39:37] <Deucalion> I wear two monocles baby.... I'll let you guess where....
[03:39:43] * Deucalion jiggles of to bed
[03:39:53] <charon> ~gnight Deucalion
[03:39:54] * exec unnecessarily offers a bottle of dough to Deucalion
[03:41:30] <Fnord666> good night Deucalion
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[09:45:45] <FatPhil> ~weather helsinki
[09:45:46] <exec> 10Helsinki, Finland - currently 35°F / 2°C, rain, wind SW at 11 mph, humidity 99% - Saturday showers (34°F:37°F / 1°C:3°C), Sunday snow showers (33°F:36°F / 1°C:2°C), Monday rain and snow (31°F:38°F / -1°C:3°C), Tuesday partly cloudy (30°F:35°F / -1°C:2°C)
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[11:18:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:18:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3158
[11:18:29] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:18:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3159
[11:18:43] * Bytram has been up for 3hrs already... needs to get back to bed shortly
[11:18:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads man
[11:18:55] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:19:09] <Bytram> running into some issues on dev using AC to post comments/replies
[11:19:36] <Bytram> keep getting "You must wait a little bit before using this resource; please try again later."
[11:19:53] <Bytram> even after waiting 30s, 1m, 5m, even 10m after getting reskey
[11:20:36] <Bytram> have twice now received that message up to the point of 5s or so before I got this message: "This resource is no longer valid. Please return to the beginning and try again."
[11:20:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll fix the cert on bery in a bit
[11:21:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, there's some setting limiting you to so many posts per day as ac
[11:21:13] <Bytram> many thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:21:18] <Bytram> AFAICT, it seems to do with a limit on how often an AC can post comments?
[11:21:37] <Bytram> heh! not too bad for figuring it out as a "black box"
[11:21:53] <Bytram> is that one of the SITE VARs?
[11:22:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> THAT i'm not gonna fix. way more effort required than you get out of it.
[11:22:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, reskey setting.
[11:22:24] <Bytram> am hoping that knowing how long until the reskey becomes invalid should give a clue as to what value that is
[11:23:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> just make an account for the bot and give it a subscription
[11:23:44] <Bytram> let me rephrase my situation... I get a reskey for posting a comment, and from that moment until the reskey expires, I am unable to post a comment but instead get "You must wait a little bit before using this resource; please try again later."
[11:23:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't need to rephrase. it's hit me too.
[11:24:03] <Bytram> IOW the reskey does not work. period.
[11:24:30] <Bytram> there exists no time period after getting the reskey that I am able to use it for posting a comment.
[11:24:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> but it's a reskey issue and not on a very important system so i'm not gonna spend the hour or two figuring it out it would take.
[11:26:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads but recompiling llvm takes ages on this laptop. been over eight hours already.
[11:26:14] <Bytram> okay
[11:26:22] <Bytram> ouch
[11:27:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> lot of time used up for something i'm not really gonna use anyway. just wanted to see if i could get vulcan support out of mesa.
[11:27:30] <Bytram> not that we want to have a boatload of ACs using the API to post comments on prod, but I would imagine the same problem occurs there, too, I take it?
[11:27:51] <Bytram> get out of mesa? extract it for use, or remove it so slim things down?
[11:28:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> similar but no. prod has eased limits
[11:28:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> compile it in for use
[11:28:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> requires llvm be built for compiling on radeon and nvidia gpus though.
[11:28:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> which it don't default to being
[11:29:09] <Bytram> hence your needing to recompile... ouchy.
[11:30:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> thankfully i ain't using the laptop as anything but a wireless network card just now
[11:30:59] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:31:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> cat6 tween it and my desktop, wireless out to the lan.
[11:33:13] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:33:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit http://www.ghacks.net
[11:33:38] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[11:33:39] <exec> └─ 13Firefox loses yet another high profile add-on author: Quicksaver quits - gHacks Tech News
[11:33:40] <Bytram> I'm trying something different... getting a reskey, and ignoring it, and then getting a new reskey to use when trying to post a comment
[11:33:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> why?
[11:34:04] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[11:34:48] <Bytram> I thought you said that it was a reskey issue... so get one (which starts its timer) and ignore it, get another reskey and try to use it.
[11:36:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's an AC/ip issue
[11:36:32] <Bytram> hmmm, okay
[11:36:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're only allowed so many posts per time period per ip
[11:36:40] <Bytram> ahh,
[11:36:49] <Bytram> got it...
[11:36:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> just doesn't give a helpful error message
[11:37:08] <Bytram> so I just need to drop and reconnect! Since I tether, I seem to get a new IP each time
[11:37:25] <Bytram> VERY unhelpful!
[11:37:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> or make an account for your bot
[11:37:39] <Bytram> I have spent literally HOURS trying to work that out
[11:37:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit http://www.ghacks.net
[11:37:40] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[11:37:41] <exec> └─ 13Initial Windows 10 Game Mode benchmarks disappoint - gHacks Tech News
[11:37:49] <Bytram> nope, need to post as AC
[11:37:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[11:38:05] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[11:38:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, it's all mysql commands to figure it out so if you wanna change the reskey setting on dev, have at it.
[11:39:45] <Bytram> confirmed; tried the multi-reskey route and still got the "You must wait a little bit before using this resource; please try again later." message
[11:40:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, multi-reskey should work the same as single reskey cause posting from different browsers or tabs needs to work.
[11:41:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> and each one would have a different reskey
[11:42:14] <Bytram> makes sense
[11:42:44] <Bytram> okay, I needs way more shuteye, am going back to bed for a nap before I head in to work.
[11:42:57] <Bytram> thanks a bunch for the info, and for looking into the certs on berry, too!
[11:43:07] <Bytram> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[11:43:08] * exec hideously reverse-engineers a thingy of mustache wax from TheMightyBuzzard
[11:43:11] <Bytram> !uid
[11:43:11] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6484, owned by kal!3
[11:44:45] <Bytram> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[11:44:46] * exec half-heartedly waves a dash of vibrators at TheMightyBuzzard
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[12:29:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, cert is updated after much annoyance
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[17:46:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://torrentfreak.com
[17:46:27] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[17:46:28] <exec> └─ 13The US 'Six Strikes' Anti-Piracy Scheme is Dead - TorrentFreak
[17:46:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~submit http://www.phoronix.com
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[17:46:52] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[17:47:17] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
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[22:55:48] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Many MANY thanks for doing the cert!
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