#Soylent | Logs for 2017-01-06
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[00:47:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Censors Nude Neptune Statue, Writer Says - http://sylnt.us - even-computers-can-have-dirty-minds
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[01:07:22] <exec> welcome nick: Laurium, Calumet Township, MI, USA, -16°C/4°F, 8:07 pm GMT-5, Thursday, 5 January 2017
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[01:57:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google ‘Refuses’ to Hand Over Pay Data, Gets Sued by Feds - http://sylnt.us - googol-dollar-salary
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[02:33:10] <MDC> your mother wears army boots
[02:33:48] <MDC> must be eating supper...
[02:33:59] <MDC> bai!
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[03:26:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US-trained Dolphins to Help Locate Mexico's Vaquita Porpoise - http://sylnt.us - doing-it-on-porpoise
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[05:06:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Two Major Credit Reporting Agencies Have Been Lying to Consumers - http://sylnt.us - colour-me-surprised
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[05:09:37] <exec> welcome Fnord666: Cincinnati, OH, USA, -9°C/15°F, 12:09 am GMT-5, Friday, 6 January 2017
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[06:35:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Australia's Metadata Retention Laws May Soon Have Extra Customers - http://sylnt.us - lets-monetize-it!
[08:17:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tor at the Heart: Firefox - http://sylnt.us - long-time-coming
[09:46:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AlphaGo Continues to Crush Human Go Players - http://sylnt.us - skynet-has-begun
[11:14:06] <FatPhil> SIgh, too many idiots in the world
[11:27:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Global Debt Hits 325% Of World GDP, Rises To Record $217 Trillion - http://sylnt.us - lotsa-red-ink
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[13:56:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple's FaceTime Blamed for Girl's Highway Crash Death in New Lawsuit - http://sylnt.us - shut-up-and-drive
[15:37:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Univision Wins FCC Waiver to Let its Mexican Partner, Televisa, Increase Ownership Stake - http://sylnt.us - ¡-Sí-Señor-!
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[16:38:37] <JNCF> I've got a question about censorship. I saw an AC make this comment full of shitlordery which seems to be claiming that the author had been temporarily blocked from leaving comments due to "excessive bad posting": https://soylentnews.org He obviously edited at least part of the message. I was wondering if this is currently done for anything other than spam or illegal content. Will simply being a s
[16:38:39] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | Why does everyone seem to be against free speech?
[16:42:58] <FatPhil> JNCF: staff can look into that. We can't 100% accurately identify individual posters (we don't want to keep such logs, so that nobody can ask for them), but a truncated hash lets us look at things with acceptable certainty.
[16:43:51] <JNCF> I was really wondering about general policy, not the specific case. The specific case if what made me wonder, and I thought I'd point to it for clarity.
[16:51:09] <FatPhil> There are plenty of ways to downmod a post, Spam should be kept to a minimum, only when it's absolutely necessary, as it does flag an account as being possibly intrinsically troublesome (and thus blockable).
[16:51:58] <FatPhil> and by account, as this is A/C, I mean "truncated hash of IP address".
[16:53:25] <FatPhil> I'm doing some digging, and presenting the highlights to the other staff, but I'm just a newb, so can't say anything definitive.
[16:53:40] <JNCF> Thank you for your answers, FatPhil. Just to clarify, Spam is still the only downmod that currently flags accounts as troublesome, right?
[16:53:50] <FatPhil> I was sure there was a FAQ or wiki page about the spam moderation, but I can't find it now.
[16:54:00] <FatPhil> to the best of my knowledge, yes.
[16:54:07] <JNCF> Yeah, I thought that too. Also failed to find it.
[16:54:12] <FatPhil> we're open source - you can check it yourself! :-)
[16:54:26] <JNCF> Cool, thanks man.
[16:55:29] <JNCF> Haha, I've looked at a couple parts of it briefly but I hadn't considered that. Durp.
[16:55:45] <FatPhil> https://soylentnews.org
[16:55:47] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews: FAQ
[16:56:43] <FatPhil> No idea how you can clickcy-clicky to that page, but google found it
[16:57:46] <FatPhil> ah, via "A chance to participate in the _Moderation System_."
[16:59:30] <JNCF> Thanks again! I'm gonna go back to being productive now. Peace, man.
[17:00:17] <FatPhil> ..\/,
[17:00:44] <FatPhil> gonna get back to drinking coffee...
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[17:05:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Acid Suppression Medications Linked to Serious Gastrointestinal Infections - http://sylnt.us - maybe-it-is-a-dinopeptic-germ
[17:09:04] <cmn32480> I agree.. those particular spam mods are garbage and should be undone.
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[17:15:32] <exec> welcome mechanicjay: Seattle, WA, USA, -2°C/28°F, 9:15 am GMT-8, Friday, 6 January 2017
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[18:27:06] <exec> welcome janrinok: Paimpol, France, 4°C/40°F, 7:27 pm GMT+1, Friday, 6 January 2017
[18:29:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, FYI: if karma on an IPID hash falls below -9 for an AC, they can't post again for a while. ditto some negative value i'm not sure of for their subnet.
[18:30:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> thus, and very intentionally, if an AC with no karma gets a single spam mod, they cannot post until the ban ages off.
[18:34:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, nap time.
[18:46:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Group Will Hand Out Free Cannabis in D.C. on Inauguration Day - http://sylnt.us - pass-the-bong
[18:52:40] <cmn32480> !UID
[18:52:45] <cmn32480> !uid
[18:52:45] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6462, owned by jbuchman
[18:53:44] <janrinok> it looks like the new members rate is beginning to plateau
[18:54:04] <cmn32480> been plateaued for a while
[18:54:09] <cmn32480> added a new UID here and there
[18:54:14] <cmn32480> but not consistent
[18:59:06] <mechanicjay> Yeah, I'm afraid the community has succeeded in finding it's echo chamber.
[18:59:39] <mechanicjay> Of course, I'll take blame there, I'm not out there commenting on stories and making interesting subs...
[19:00:13] <janrinok> we've got to attract more people, but I'm not sure how we do that
[19:00:52] * janrinok notes that MASH is beginning on TV ...
[19:01:58] * cmn32480 notes that janrinok has bout 30 minutes
[19:02:04] <cmn32480> and he just got here!
[19:02:11] <cmn32480> been napping all day obviously
[19:02:34] <janrinok> no, there are 2 progs one after the other, I'm good for an hour
[19:02:44] <mechanicjay> Yeah, I don't know how we market ourselves better.
[19:02:53] <mechanicjay> Aside from just generating better content.
[19:03:06] * cmn32480 shows a little leg
[19:03:07] <mechanicjay> ...which I think it pretty hit and miss these days
[19:04:12] <janrinok> what do you think would improve the content? More timely, change of topics, better research of stories?
[19:04:57] <cmn32480> better editors
[19:05:06] <cmn32480> ?
[19:05:15] <janrinok> goes without saying ...
[19:05:32] <mechanicjay> IDK, I think mostly the stories and topics are fine. Sometimes the subs just fail to generate discussion. Like, it'll be an interested fact or something, but no comment is necessary
[19:05:57] <mechanicjay> So, maybe there's some editorial stuff that can happen there to set up a question for folks to comment on.
[19:06:02] * cmn32480 wonders what our percentage of stories w/ <10 comments are
[19:06:24] <mechanicjay> cmn32480: I could do a db query to find out...maybe after lunch if I"m motivated.
[19:06:29] <janrinok> perhaps we ought to ask the FNGs - perhaps we are just putting out the same ol' thing, and they might have better ideas?
[19:07:43] <cmn32480> anythygin is possible
[19:07:51] * cmn32480 holds his breath
[19:07:52] <mechanicjay> Anyway, comments are the next big piece of content and why people come, at least I do, more than for the stories. It seems that there are a few loud voices who like to shout at each other, a bunch of AC's to like to attack some of our long time and prolific commenters -- it's kind of getting tiring.
[19:09:01] <janrinok> I've got to agree with you there. It is also demoralising to edit a story and then find it has been hijacked to concentrate on something that is only vaguely connected - usually politics or drug laws
[19:10:50] <cmn32480> yes
[19:13:44] <mechanicjay> Okay, here's what I'm going to do: I'm going to go back a week or so, and find the stores with a decent number of comments, say > 40? which have a good discussion and not just bickering.
[19:13:44] <mechanicjay> Lets then look at those and see if we can find some commonality in either the topic, the way the submission was framed, etc.
[19:14:05] <cmn32480> sounds like at least the semblence of a plan
[19:14:12] <cmn32480> maybe we ought to advertise on facebook
[19:14:19] * cmn32480 ducks
[19:15:49] <mechanicjay> Personally I'd rather see fewer better stories with high-quality discussion than a string of meh stories with a poor discussion. I realize there's a balance on speed of publishing subs.
[19:16:00] <janrinok> I think I know what we will find, but I'll wait until the results are in before I open my mouth :~)
[19:17:18] <mechanicjay> I think I know what I'll find too, which is probably different from what you think ;). Lets gather some stuff and look it over, than we can reveal our thoughts.
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[19:18:09] <jasassin> #fite alexbst
[19:18:09] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[19:18:17] <MrPlow> #fite alexbst falls broken at jasassin's feet.
[19:18:18] <mechanicjay> I'll do the data collection tonight after I get home, since in theory I'm working for the man today, not SN.
[19:18:58] <cmn32480> #fite the man!
[19:18:58] * MrPlow #fite looks around but doesn't see the man!
[19:19:35] <mechanicjay> #fite mechanicjay
[19:19:35] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[19:19:41] <MrPlow> #fite mechanicjay falls broken at mechanicjay's feet.
[19:19:55] <mechanicjay> lol, I get a kick out that everytime.
[19:20:06] <jasassin> #fite Leebert
[19:20:06] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[19:20:14] <MrPlow> #fite jasassin falls broken at Leebert's feet.
[19:22:29] <cmn32480> 7GB file FTP...
[19:22:32] <janrinok> I've added extra questions to the end of 2 of the stories that I have just edited to see if they encourage more on-topic comments.
[19:22:34] <cmn32480> this ought to take all freaking night
[19:23:49] <janrinok> well it depends on the speed of the connection doesn't it?
[19:24:20] <janrinok> haven't you got fibre into your place of work?
[19:24:59] <cmn32480> no\
[19:25:09] <mechanicjay> if it's too slow, dump it on a mag tape and drive it to the destination in your station wagon.
[19:25:09] * cmn32480 has been trying unsuccessfully for 5 years
[19:25:18] <janrinok> this ought to take all freaking night then
[19:26:23] <cmn32480> told you so
[19:26:43] <cmn32480> 2x7GB files and 2 x 400MB files
[19:26:44] <janrinok> what's your best transfer speed?
[19:26:50] <cmn32480> shoudl be done by end of January
[19:27:04] * cmn32480 thinks my upload is 50Mb
[19:27:06] <janrinok> well, is there a problem with running it overnight
[19:27:12] <cmn32480> no issue
[19:27:18] * cmn32480 just wants it done
[19:27:46] <janrinok> start it going and tell your boss that you are going home - sort of like the 'compiling' call in xkcb
[19:27:54] <cmn32480> there you go
[19:28:30] <janrinok> you could be having your first beer in just over an hours time!
[19:29:09] <cmn32480> I maybe be doing that anyway... f**k this place
[19:29:21] <cmn32480> not IRC
[19:29:25] <cmn32480> jsut working for a living
[19:29:28] <janrinok> a physical impossibility - but I understand your sentiment
[19:31:42] <cmn32480> not if I was Chuck Norris
[19:31:47] <cmn32480> ~chuck
[19:31:52] <cmn32480> #chuck
[19:31:58] <cmn32480> !chuck
[19:31:59] <janrinok> !chuck
[19:32:05] <cmn32480> $chuck
[19:32:06] <janrinok> &chuck
[19:32:11] <cmn32480> %chuck
[19:32:11] <janrinok> £chuck
[19:32:15] <cmn32480> ^chuck
[19:32:17] <janrinok> +chuck
[19:32:20] <cmn32480> *chuck
[19:32:24] <janrinok> ~chuck
[19:32:31] <janrinok> @chuck
[19:32:33] <cmn32480> one of the damn bots used to do that
[19:32:54] <janrinok> it probably still does - we just don't know the magic incantation
[19:33:06] <cmn32480> likely
[19:35:03] <cmn32480> JFC... shooting at the Ft. Lauderdale airport
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[19:40:07] <exec> welcome nick: Laurium, Calumet Township, MI, USA, -13°C/8°F, 2:40 pm GMT-5, Friday, 6 January 2017
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[20:17:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Worries About Food Waste Appear to Vanish When Diners Know Scraps Go to Compost - http://sylnt.us - don't-tell-the-dog
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[21:42:30] <Runaway1956> #submit http://www.foxnews.com
[21:42:30] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[21:42:31] <exec> └─ 13TV news report prompts viewers' Amazon Echo devices to order unwanted dollhouses | Fox News
[21:42:56] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[21:44:42] <Runaway1956> #submit http://www.usatoday.com
[21:44:43] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[21:44:43] <exec> └─ 135 dead, 8 injured in shooting at Fort Lauderdale airport
[21:45:08] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[21:47:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Affordable LIDAR Chips for Self-Driving Vehicles - http://sylnt.us - let-there-be-light
[22:11:55] <chromas> Friends don't let friends mix one-click shopping with voice control
[22:16:39] <nick> amazon never claimed to be your friend
[22:17:18] <nick> to borrow a quote from king of the hill ... '$corp is not your uncle. We are not your family. We are a Delaware limited liability corporation.'
[23:15:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - CES 2017: AMD Vega GPUs and FreeSync 2 - http://sylnt.us - free-vega
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[23:36:29] <Fnord666> #fite charon
[23:36:29] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[23:36:29] <MrPlow> #fite How can you fight when you're dead? Try again tomorrow.
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[23:57:17] <exec> welcome crutchy: Melbourne VIC, 33°C/91°F, 10:57 am AEDT, Saturday, 7 January 2017