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[03:01:39] <khallow> howdy
[03:01:48] <khallow> anyone know where comment #444444 is?
[03:04:02] <khallow> Also, think I have my sign problem fixed
[03:04:58] <khallow> but I've introduced a new problem by doing that
[03:10:05] <cmn32480> what'd you break now
[03:14:29] <khallow> my operators are nilpotent now
[03:14:47] <khallow> before they had the right squaring property
[03:15:03] <khallow> now when they're squared twice they vanish
[03:15:55] <khallow> I have this weird anti-commutative algebra
[03:16:17] <khallow> and I think I just need to play with it a bit to get all the right moles whacked
[03:17:57] <khallow> I started off with this vector space A and arbitrary quadratic operator Q:A -> A
[03:19:23] <khallow> I get a bilinear operator m: A x A -> A by m(a,b)=[Q(a+b)-Q(a)-Q(b)]/2
[03:20:01] <khallow> what I've been trying to build for the past month is an action of A on a larger space V by
[03:20:26] <khallow> a.(b.v) + b.(a.v) = m(a,b).v
[03:20:39] <khallow> where a.v is a linear function of v
[03:20:54] <khallow> and a.v +b.v = (a+b).v
[03:21:06] <cmn32480> i keep hearing this great big wooshing sound
[03:21:19] <khallow> yea
[03:22:03] <khallow> all I can say is that it ties in with a rather large class of ordinary differential equations that I've been messing with
[03:22:17] <khallow> and I still don't have it right
[03:22:30] <khallow> hmmm
[03:22:49] <khallow> that's not really right...
[03:23:20] <khallow> a.(b.v) +/- b.(a.v) = m(a,b).v?
[03:23:32] <khallow> I might have another sign problem here
[03:24:01] <khallow> for example
[03:24:38] <khallow> a.(Q(a).v) = Q(a).(a.v) and thus a.(Q(a).v) - Q(a).(a.v) = 0
[03:25:52] <khallow> well, guess that'll get worked out at some point
[03:26:00] <khallow> I'm not in the mood tonight
[03:28:47] <charon> khallow: https://soylentnews.org
[03:28:49] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | Switching Off a Protein Could Be Key to Reduced Body Fat
[03:29:13] <charon> no one noticed
[03:30:34] <khallow> actually the funny thing is that they noticed in another story but couldn't find the comment
[03:30:49] <cmn32480> I've bene looking and couldn't find it either
[03:31:22] <charon> someone with db access, like TMB might have had an easier time. you can't specify only the comment id in the URL
[03:31:22] <khallow> it was a few stories back, I see
[03:31:33] <khallow> I noticed
[03:31:46] <charon> i just went back thread by thread until i got it
[03:31:55] <khallow> anyway thanks charon
[03:32:02] <charon> yw
[03:32:03] <khallow> dirty work though :)
[03:32:33] <charon> yeah, doing things the kludgy way
[03:33:33] <charon> do we have a prize for comment # 500000?
[03:33:48] <cmn32480> 54 free internets adn getting fired from the editorial staff
[03:34:03] <khallow> working on it :)
[03:34:09] * cmn32480 has his eyes on it!
[03:34:17] <khallow> eyes on the price
[03:34:18] <charon> i was thinking more along the lines of TMB comes to your house and punches you
[03:34:20] <khallow> er prize
[03:34:36] * cmn32480 has enough frequent flier miles for that
[03:36:34] <cmn32480> as long as they are in the US
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[03:37:35] <khallow> I thought that story had already been posted
[03:37:50] <khallow> oh, wait green site n/n
[03:37:52] <khallow> er nm
[03:38:14] <khallow> ermm, no it is SN
[03:38:16] <charon> you still look at the green site? traitor!
[03:38:21] <khallow> must be some lag in there
[03:38:37] <khallow> you would be horrified by what I do in there too
[03:39:42] <cmn32480> you contribute here. that is all taht actually counts
[03:39:45] <khallow> not quite to the level of playing this article through a monotone speech synthesizer
[03:39:53] <charon> but yeah, Bender is always a bit slow announcing the current story
[03:39:56] <cmn32480> I could give 2 shits about what you do elsewhere, as long as you aren't trashing us
[03:40:09] <khallow> Wow, you contribute too!
[03:40:53] <khallow> yea, I recall the guy that was posting that SN was some racist hellhole all over the green site
[03:41:43] <khallow> sounded like if the site ran a gamergate story, it was racist
[03:42:00] <charon> really? people get so damned polarized
[03:42:13] <khallow> quite odd given that greensite did quite a bit of that
[03:42:25] <khallow> I know
[03:42:58] <charon> i sometimes surf the headlines over there at /. but i almost neaver read comments anymore
[03:43:10] <khallow> it is getting pretty bad
[03:44:18] <khallow> I had a post where I said everyone who believes in "money hoarding" is an economic ignoramus
[03:44:26] <khallow> er rich people doing that
[03:45:19] <khallow> Sure, I imagine there's some crazy people somewhere putting hundred dollar bills behind their wallpaper
[03:46:09] <khallow> but the vast majority are going to go, inflation, I'm not holding on to this
[03:46:19] <khallow> an stick it into something with income
[03:46:23] <khallow> or whatever
[03:46:28] <charon> makes sense
[03:46:54] <khallow> anyway, I get half a dozen replies telling me I'm an idiot for that quip
[03:47:19] <khallow> and it never got above a score of 2, so you know it wasn't very visible
[03:47:43] <khallow> my reply was always the same, "Dude, inflation"
[03:48:24] <khallow> But there were some who were absolutely insistent that rich people were squatting on huge amounts of cash
[03:48:27] <khallow> it was bizarre
[03:49:47] <khallow> It's the same thing with the currency bricking that India and Venezuela
[03:49:48] <khallow> did
[03:50:20] <charon> i'd honestly take "sitting on cash" to mean have a huge bank account as opposed to using it for investment
[03:50:25] <khallow> they had politicians talking about all the bills that supposedly the tax dodgers and gangs were hoarding
[03:50:31] <khallow> yes
[03:50:38] <charon> like apple vs amazon
[03:50:42] <khallow> right
[03:50:58] <khallow> I think Apple actually sticks it in US bonds, don't know about Amazon
[03:51:01] <charon> but having all that money doesn't do anything unless it's working
[03:51:18] <khallow> Microsoft used to have a habit of buying huge certified deposits (CD)
[03:51:33] <charon> as i understand amazon turns almost all their profits into capital improvements
[03:51:33] <khallow> there the bank is doing the working
[03:52:01] <khallow> of course, it might be working that money in some distant country
[03:52:15] <khallow> so you can have money disappear from your country via rich people
[03:52:21] <khallow> and go elsewhere
[03:52:27] <khallow> I get that
[03:52:42] <khallow> but I don't get the people who think it's just stuck in a pit somewhere
[03:54:05] <charon> honestly, if i became rich, i'd probably play it very safe since i have no clue how to handle such a sum
[03:54:37] <khallow> anyway, it's bizarre that you have these apparent grownups insisting that rich people are doing rather stupid things with their money
[03:55:07] <khallow> I don't even know how they would manage to do those things either. It's not like there's even enough cash out there to cover all the tax dodging
[03:55:43] <charon> scrooge mcduck and his vault full of gold doubloons!
[03:55:54] <khallow> right, I'd probably start by putting most into a stable, cash generating investment and experiment with a small portion
[03:56:03] <khallow> yea
[03:56:35] <khallow> If I felt I was getting the hang of the investment thing
[03:56:40] <khallow> I'd move more over
[03:57:03] <khallow> but still maintain a ratio of conservative investment to adventurous investment
[03:57:18] <khallow> so if the latter blows up, I still have the former
[03:57:23] <charon> yep
[03:58:02] <charon> first i'd buy a house here, than a house there, then a couple yachts and give a bunch of money to my family... and now i'm poor again
[03:59:15] <khallow> I think I'd put most of my money into boring dividend utilities at first
[03:59:33] <khallow> I have a fair bit of experience with that already
[03:59:52] <khallow> then decide on strategy after I have a chance to look at things
[04:00:05] <charon> i would seriously have to hire someone. i just don't have the time or attention to put into it
[04:00:25] <khallow> I'd be a little queasy about that
[04:00:45] <charon> well, not jimmy from down the street
[04:00:49] <khallow> maybe someone to look over things and make some basic suggestions
[04:01:14] <khallow> but I don't like relinquishing control unless it's really out of hand
[04:02:14] <khallow> For example, it'd take a lot of money before I'd generate enough stock market activity to justify a staff
[04:03:03] <khallow> I already figured out that excessive trading or thrashing is not good for you, either for generation of transaction fees or for the tax forms
[04:03:18] <khallow> quarterly payments would be a big gotcha I think
[04:03:59] <khallow> and the US alternate minimum tax (AMT)
[04:04:02] <charon> my ex father in law has spent most of his time since he retired on researching stocks and mutual funds and whatever. he is very good at it. and i'm pretty sure he would not "accidentally" lose all my money just because i'm no longer married to his daughter
[04:04:16] <khallow> that sounds good
[04:04:45] <charon> pretty sure
[04:04:46] <charon> lol
[04:05:13] <khallow> well bring on the lottery then, we're ready for it! :)
[04:05:50] <charon> i have never bought a ticket. well, once i went in with some co-workers when the jackpot was around $1B
[04:06:07] <khallow> social value >> monetary value
[04:06:11] <charon> yep
[04:06:24] <charon> it was fun to dream a bit at work
[04:06:50] <khallow> If it actually happened, imagine your boss
[04:07:01] <khallow> "what? You're all leaving?"
[04:07:06] <charon> lol
[04:07:22] <charon> not our problem anymore
[04:07:26] <khallow> yea
[04:07:49] <khallow> It's been a while since I've been on any economics sites
[04:08:01] <khallow> I think Trump might be good for business at least in the short term
[04:08:25] <charon> until the gov't implodes?
[04:08:33] <khallow> yea, bottle rocket time
[04:08:53] <khallow> I think inflation is the big concern for me
[04:09:04] <khallow> should cover government implosion too
[04:11:07] <khallow> any of the crazier scenarios out there should give us some warning
[04:11:44] <charon> i worry not for myself but for my kids. it will be their job to pick up the pieces
[04:12:11] <khallow> as I noted in one of the stories, if you're seriously talking about how to get out of the country, then you should have already left.
[04:12:15] <khallow> yea
[04:13:01] <khallow> my hope here is that Trump generates a lot of pullback, not just against himself, but future presidents as well
[04:13:30] <khallow> It's not just one bad apple that we have to worry about
[04:13:50] <charon> you and i are on opposite sides politically, but i think we'd both be happy with executive power being trimmed back
[04:14:24] <khallow> I think I agree
[04:14:58] <khallow> Just look at the last twenty years. If you can't find a president that you would be worried about giving power to, then you're not looking
[04:15:46] <charon> yep. people who think it's ok when it's "their guy" are terribly short-sighted
[04:17:07] <khallow> We already have Democrats in the Senate admitting that weakening filibusters was not the great idea that they thought it was
[04:17:22] <khallow> too bad they didn't think that way back a few years ago when they had a majority
[04:18:23] <khallow> Well, when Trump shoves through a bunch of judges and a Supreme Court justice, I hope someone soaks up that lesson
[04:19:04] <cmn32480> I'm off to bed.
[04:19:10] <cmn32480> ~gnight charon
[04:19:12] * exec overratedly spews a shoe of hamster dance on charon
[04:19:13] <cmn32480> ~gnight khallow
[04:19:14] * exec sexually heaps a ring buffer of extract of swamp ass on khallow
[04:19:24] <charon> ~gnight cmn32480
[04:19:26] * exec overratedly liberates a rar archive of contentment from cmn32480
[04:20:21] <charon> khallow: do you mean 60 vote cloture?
[04:20:33] <khallow> yea
[04:20:41] <charon> i always thought 2/3 was unrealistically difficult
[04:20:54] <khallow> they apparently weakened the rules for judicial appointments
[04:21:01] <khallow> yet somehow it worked for two centuries
[04:21:12] <charon> because it was never attained
[04:22:54] <khallow> I guess my point of view is that we generally don't need an efficient Congress
[04:23:16] <khallow> if there's a real emergency, they can figure out how to work together
[04:23:32] <khallow> If there isn't, I'd rather have obstructions than not
[04:23:36] <charon> that's how we get the Patriot act shoved down our throats
[04:23:41] <khallow> right
[04:24:32] <charon> i would be fine with a congress where your own party didn't flay you for talking to people across the aisle
[04:24:58] <khallow> I doubt it's going to happen with the current Congress
[04:25:11] <charon> ayep
[04:25:17] <khallow> Repubicans were more the ones doing that
[04:25:26] <khallow> or at least being organized enough for it to work
[04:26:02] <khallow> now they need some Democrat support in order to bypass filibusters or insure against their own people defecting
[04:26:48] <khallow> when the votes are hard to come by, those willing to defect have a good deal of bargaining power
[04:27:34] <khallow> well, we'll see what happens
[04:27:42] <charon> hah, filibuster come from the same word root as freebooter
[04:28:09] <khallow> that's pretty funny
[04:28:49] <khallow> they have some really odd terms too
[04:28:59] <khallow> bunk, gerrymander
[04:29:33] <charon> i know about gerrymander. Eldbridge Gerry, who ironically was the guy calling out the practice as idiotic
[04:30:11] <khallow> Bunk started as a notorious blowhard from Buncombe county, North Carolina
[04:30:44] <khallow> as I heard the story, he would start by saying he was "speaking for Buncombe"
[04:30:46] <charon> oh wait, i was wrong. he was the guy who authorisez the redistricting
[04:31:13] <khallow> that makes more sense
[04:31:25] <khallow> though it wouldn't be the first time a word got misapplied
[04:32:21] <khallow> then there is emoluments
[04:32:32] <charon> that's a new one to me
[04:32:42] <khallow> we'd normally call that "wages" or "stipend"
[04:32:58] <khallow> but someone way back when stuck that in the Constitution
[04:33:33] <khallow> I guess it's a little broader term these day
[04:33:36] <khallow> er days
[04:34:04] <khallow> anyway, it's why congresscritters have to resign before they can accept a post in the other branches of the federal government
[04:34:08] <charon> damn founding fathers and their ridiculous vocabulary
[04:35:06] <khallow> what's funnier is that there are apparently three different clauses in the Constitution that are called "the emoluments clause"
[04:35:52] <charon> https://www.brookings.edu
[04:35:58] <khallow> apparently, some of these clauses get named after the clumsiest and gratiutiously complex term in the clause
[04:36:02] <khallow> yea
[04:36:20] <khallow> needless to say, Trump has a bunch of international deals
[04:36:58] <charon> what, he can't be named baron of Vladivostok while president?
[04:36:59] <khallow> and it wouldn't be hard for him to get financial advantage from his position as Prez
[04:37:20] <khallow> well I think he can, if Congress approves it
[04:37:31] <charon> chance of that = 0
[04:37:45] <khallow> yea, nobody will go for that
[04:38:07] <khallow> If he ever does try, it'll be a face palm moment
[04:41:30] <khallow> then there's the Trump Tower parade
[04:41:39] <charon> if it were't guarateed to turn into shitpost central, i'd submit this as a story
[04:42:17] <khallow> we'll probably have plenty of time to revisit this once ardor has cooled
[04:43:04] <charon> maybe so
[04:43:31] <khallow> I'm sure we're looking at years and years of Trump Derangement Syndrome
[04:43:47] <khallow> but I think a lot of people might get their faculties back in a few months
[04:44:10] <charon> i'm betting he's going to have impeachment proceeding brought within a year
[04:44:15] <khallow> unless Trumpaggeddon is instantaneous
[04:44:58] <khallow> It'll be interesting to see what dirt sticks to him just from his pre-election business
[04:45:19] <khallow> They didn't dig up any killer skeletons so far
[04:45:31] <khallow> but financial problems often take years to shake out
[04:46:16] <khallow> and if he was hiding something before the election, it might fall out of the closet later
[04:46:41] <charon> it seems unlikely that there are any smoking guns. someone would have talked
[04:46:48] <khallow> probably
[04:46:59] <charon> although i thought the sexual harassment/assault would have done him in
[04:47:07] <charon> alleged
[04:47:11] <khallow> anyway, I think the bigger problem will be who he pulls in
[04:47:41] <khallow> might be something to that, but unless it's felony assault or worse
[04:47:54] <khallow> he's probably not going to run into any problems from Congress
[04:48:23] <khallow> I'm thinking more about his cabinet and other staff
[04:48:30] <khallow> one thing about a bunch of people like that
[04:48:31] <charon> yea
[04:48:40] <khallow> they all have business before the system
[04:48:50] <khallow> they all have business in other countries
[04:48:55] <charon> his cabinet picks do not inspire confidence for the little guy
[04:49:33] <khallow> reminds me of the name for the inner cabinet of Hindenburg
[04:49:46] <khallow> It was called something like the Monocle Cabal
[04:50:02] <charon> that's perfectly suited
[04:50:05] <khallow> Hindenburg was the last president of the Wiemar Republic
[04:50:19] <khallow> and his inner group was all German nobility
[04:50:30] <khallow> with the usual pretensions of the time, such as wearing monocles
[04:51:29] <khallow> some of them turned out to be really sleazy bastards even for the type
[04:52:28] <khallow> Von Papen in particular had the ear of Hindenburg for a while
[04:52:43] <khallow> He ended up backstabbing his own party for personal power
[04:52:49] <charon> and we all know who was the next president of germany after that
[04:53:09] <khallow> then stagign a coup that overthrew the Free State of Prussia
[04:53:28] <khallow> yea, and being the Vice Chancellor to Hitler
[04:54:16] <khallow> there's some nasty lessons in that time for us I think
[04:54:31] <khallow> a number of countries failed hard
[04:55:16] <charon> depends on if the rise and fall of nations is inevitable or not.
[04:55:37] <khallow> For me, I think the better lesson though is the Third Republic of France
[04:55:47] <charon> UK lost its empire, but didn't fall that hard
[04:55:52] <khallow> nod
[04:55:56] <khallow> they did pretty well
[04:56:11] <khallow> but you have Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Russia,
[04:56:22] <khallow> Austrohungary
[04:56:31] <khallow> er however that's spelled
[04:56:35] <khallow> Ottoman empire
[04:56:43] <charon> greece ain't been looking well for a while now
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[04:56:50] <khallow> yea
[04:56:57] <khallow> I think it's better now
[04:57:08] <khallow> most countries, even the sick ones are pretty stable
[04:57:41] <khallow> but I doubt that the lessons of the 2007-2008 recession will stick
[04:58:09] <charon> "don't let the US fuck around with the world's money"?
[04:58:51] <khallow> Actually, I think the problem was a combination of easy money by most central banks and really low reserves for real estate investments
[04:59:21] <khallow> US money had nothing to do with it aside from Fed policy that encouraged more debt
[04:59:24] <charon> i'll defer to you on that. i am not learned in economics
[04:59:44] <khallow> here's my take
[05:00:30] <khallow> for a time, a bunch of parties could borrow eye popping amounts of money using a measly amount of real estate securities (like those default swaps)
[05:00:46] <khallow> and they turned around and dumped it into more real estate securities
[05:01:28] <khallow> supposedly 1 unit of assets could back 50 units of borrowed money
[05:01:33] <khallow> 50 to 1 leverage
[05:01:38] <charon> holy balls
[05:01:47] <khallow> you can screw anything up with that kind of leverage
[05:02:23] <charon> that's way worse than the... i forget what it was called before the great depression. buying what 10:1 on margin?
[05:02:45] <khallow> Actually the Great Depression was worse.
[05:03:00] <khallow> They had a lot of players who didn't play by the margin or reserve rules at all
[05:03:56] <khallow> with this kind of financial activity you repeatedly see the same stuff over and over
[05:04:33] <khallow> you see the superexponential growth and then hiccups and then collapse
[05:04:43] <khallow> you see criminal activity all over the place
[05:05:37] <charon> it's a house of cards. and you only make money if you are causing the collapse
[05:05:40] <khallow> It's actually secondary to the primary effect of risk insentivity. When a lot of these parties's wealth went up
[05:05:46] <khallow> they stop caring about risk
[05:05:56] <khallow> even basic ones like whether they're getting ripped off
[05:06:08] <khallow> yea
[05:06:26] <khallow> and if you guess the top well enough to get out with more than you got in with
[05:07:03] <khallow> in theory
[05:07:27] <khallow> problem is that when the collapse happens it takes out not just the idiots involved
[05:07:34] <khallow> but everyone who lent them money
[05:07:37] <khallow> and so on
[05:07:55] <charon> until the last man standing(maybe) is the gov't
[05:08:40] <khallow> that's why governments worldwide panicked and threw a ton of bailouts
[05:09:12] <charon> so then what's the solution? limited lending? but that cuts down on legitimate business reinvestment
[05:09:27] <khallow> when you see something like this building?
[05:09:36] <charon> nah, to stop it before it starts
[05:09:44] <khallow> raise the reserve and tighten money supply a little
[05:09:51] <charon> when it's building, it's probably too late
[05:10:09] <khallow> sometimes you can't avoid it.
[05:10:48] <khallow> like if we actually see a genuine Transhumanist singularity, it's probably going to have a massive bubble associated with it due to no fault of anyone invovled
[05:11:00] <khallow> can't predict what you can't understand
[05:11:09] <charon> hah, that's the AI getting ready to kill us all
[05:11:19] <khallow> or if some natural disaster is massive enough to crater an economy
[05:11:38] <khallow> yea
[05:12:20] <khallow> But I think the 2007-2008 recession was just stupid politicians trying to sex up their economies
[05:13:09] <charon> well sure, there are some things that are out of our control. possibly the financial market is chaotic enough that any control we think we have is illusionary
[05:13:17] <khallow> For example, G. W. Bush needed an economic boost after the craziness of the two year period after 9/11
[05:13:32] <khallow> as well as still trying to recover from the 2000-2001 recession
[05:13:56] <khallow> so low interest rates to pump up the economy
[05:14:22] <khallow> and someone got the bright idea that since real estate was real stable, cut back on the reserves required by a bunch
[05:14:39] <khallow> that lead to the basic set up in the US
[05:14:46] <khallow> I believe the Europeans did the same
[05:14:56] <charon> and the low interest rates allow banks to adveritse that to people who ordinarily would not have aualified for a loan
[05:15:05] <khallow> oh yea
[05:15:26] <khallow> the strategy apparently became that banks set up the loans with people
[05:15:40] <khallow> bundle them to reduce risk as securities
[05:15:46] <khallow> and then sell off the securities
[05:16:05] <khallow> now the bank has unloaded the risk and can repeat the operation again
[05:16:22] <khallow> I don't recall what peak home ownership ended up as
[05:16:24] <charon> i worked as a property document recorder, it was boom time for my buddies who did title searches for refinances
[05:16:28] <khallow> but I think it was in the high 60%
[05:16:34] <khallow> I bet
[05:16:55] <khallow> I recall a number of internet associates who went into flipping
[05:17:13] <khallow> All I could do was warn them that it was going south sooner or later
[05:17:43] <khallow> it's really remarkable how the economy reorients itself when something big like this happens
[05:17:50] <charon> but who knows when that sooner will be?
[05:18:02] <charon> just one more flip
[05:18:21] <khallow> yea. One of the most important lessons is that you can't time a bubble burst
[05:18:35] <khallow> unless you're big enough to cause it by yourself
[05:18:52] <khallow> in which case you are screwed no matter what happens
[05:19:25] <khallow> I mean, sometimes you can guess periods of higher stress
[05:19:46] <khallow> like polcy changes or some government raising reserve ratios
[05:19:59] <khallow> or the end of particularly good times
[05:20:15] <charon> it was funny that everyone knew it was a bubble, and everyone knew it would pop. but everybody still kept on like it would last forever
[05:20:19] <khallow> like the end of the Y2K spending spree in 2000.
[05:20:28] <khallow> it is
[05:20:45] <khallow> I have to say that a bunch of people don't really think its going to end
[05:21:17] <khallow> I think it's human to think that what's beneficial for you will last forever and be great for everyone
[05:21:25] <charon> yah
[05:21:41] <khallow> but sure, some did know it was going to end
[05:22:07] <khallow> that could be excused on the grounds that they thought they could get out ahead of the wave
[05:22:20] <khallow> or they were like arms dealers and didn't hold a lot of direct risk
[05:22:22] <charon> at my level in the trenches, we knew it. but we had no real skin in the game except reduced work
[05:22:31] <khallow> yea
[05:22:50] <khallow> now that I think of it, a bunch were paid commission
[05:23:23] <khallow> those guys would probably have fared better by going into the bubble burst in a nose dive
[05:23:53] <khallow> get as much money in as you can before management realizes how doomed they are
[05:24:10] <charon> yea
[05:24:22] <khallow> that also was where a lot of the crime happened
[05:25:11] <khallow> you get that kind of disconnect from reality, you're letting anyone without an ounce of scruples take as much as they can out of the company before it dies
[05:26:14] <khallow> in my current job, I run into a fair number of people who were in on the real estate gravy train
[05:26:17] <charon> reminds me of the enron crash. the CEO claimed he had no clue what his employees were doing. so either he's an idiot not doing his job, or he's a criminal complicit in the crimes
[05:26:23] <khallow> a few days back there was a hilarious exchange
[05:26:30] <khallow> or both
[05:26:39] <charon> heh, or both
[05:27:11] <khallow> anyway, one guy at the cafeteria table said that he thought real estate brokers were just as bad as lawyers
[05:27:21] <khallow> there were two ex-brokers at the table
[05:27:28] <charon> heh
[05:27:33] <khallow> it was pretty funny
[05:27:40] <charon> did they speak up?
[05:27:59] <khallow> yes. he had to walk that back, though it was clear that he had been screwed.
[05:28:20] <khallow> there might have been more, that's just the ones that spoke up
[05:28:29] <charon> hey, we weren't that bad! well, maybe we were
[05:28:55] <khallow> I think most real estate was just fine
[05:29:03] <khallow> but when you get this out of control
[05:29:12] <khallow> you'll have crooks all over the place
[05:29:49] <SirFinkus> I'd rather be thought of as an idiot than in jail
[05:30:03] <khallow> probably a good prioritization there
[05:30:31] <charon> that would be a tough one... i might not be able to take the idiot
[05:30:41] <charon> too much Walter White in me
[05:31:22] <khallow> when there's this much pie in face, it's easy to blur in with the crowd
[05:32:12] <khallow> my take on the whole thing is that it's a matter of perception
[05:32:22] <khallow> economics has that problem in spades
[05:32:32] <khallow> lots of stuff only works because people think it'll work
[05:32:42] <charon> magic
[05:32:43] <khallow> money, property, trade, etc
[05:33:06] <SirFinkus> so when the fuck is apfs gonna actually hit? they released a preview, but no updates forever
[05:33:08] <charon> i'm joking. but i see that it is all faith
[05:33:15] <khallow> so when you get a positive feedback situation like the real estate markets of the time
[05:33:20] <SirFinkus> no news since the announcement as far as I ca tell
[05:33:21] <khallow> apfs?
[05:33:34] <SirFinkus> apple's new filesystem
[05:33:40] <charon> Acquisition Planning Forecast System
[05:34:09] <khallow> erm, not sure I'd want to touch that
[05:34:12] <khallow> is it open source?
[05:34:25] <SirFinkus> it will be
[05:34:30] <khallow> interesting
[05:34:34] <SirFinkus> no "free" most likely
[05:34:45] <charon> holy crap, why would you want a file saved in non-contiguous blocks?
[05:34:51] <khallow> how does it compare to other unix-based file systems?
[05:35:24] <SirFinkus> hard to tell, looks like it's somewhere in between ext4 and zfs/btrfs feature wise
[05:35:39] <SirFinkus> but not a lot of info atm
[05:36:03] <khallow> looks like it's specialized for flash and SSD
[05:36:13] <SirFinkus> they have a tech preview, but most of the features haven't been implemented yet, and the disk format isn't stable
[05:36:32] <khallow> so non-contiguous might mean a big boost in I/O pipe
[05:36:55] <SirFinkus> http://arstechnica.com
[05:36:56] <exec> └─ 13A ZFS developer’s analysis of the good and bad in Apple’s new APFS file system | Ars Technica
[05:37:26] <SirFinkus> I was under the impression that most filesystems saved files in non-contiguous blocks, but as kind of a last resort
[05:37:42] <SirFinkus> stuff like sparse allocation or w/e are supposed to reduce that happenign
[05:39:09] <charon> soon™
[05:39:36] <SirFinkus> they said "2017"
[05:39:50] <SirFinkus> but I haven't seen any additional releases since the dev prview
[05:40:00] <SirFinkus> figured they'd have a new beta or two by now
[05:40:21] <khallow> it certainly looks like they're orienting towards massive SSD use
[05:40:31] <khallow> I guess that's pretty obvious these days
[05:40:34] <charon> what if it hoses your data? i wouldn't put out a public demo until it was 99% there
[05:40:52] <SirFinkus> well, it has all the requisite warnings and stuff if you create a volume now
[05:41:12] <SirFinkus> and it's not something you'd accidentally create
[05:41:19] <charon> fair enough
[05:41:32] <SirFinkus> have to drop to terminal and shit, normies wouldn't know about it
[05:41:57] <SirFinkus> apparently they're going to update everyone's hfs+ partitions to it at some point in the future, THAT will be fun
[05:42:04] <SirFinkus> especially since hfs+ is so shitty
[05:42:14] <SirFinkus> I expect many very strange issues
[05:42:20] <charon> oh man, to be on the front lines of tech support that day
[05:42:38] <khallow> one can dream
[05:42:54] <charon> lol
[05:43:07] <SirFinkus> I'm looking forward to it, as long as it actually works correctly
[05:43:12] <SirFinkus> the zfs port is never going to happen
[05:43:35] <SirFinkus> well, you can get it with FUSE, but who wants to use fuse on osx?
[05:44:47] <charon> since i don't have an iphone or a mac, i am lost in this world
[05:46:12] <SirFinkus> I'm always excited to see new filesystems
[05:46:34] <SirFinkus> I wonder if btrfs is up to snuff yet
[05:46:43] <SirFinkus> last time I used it there were issues
[05:46:46] <khallow> The SSD thing seems to be a big innovation too
[05:47:02] <khallow> so I gather that's driving some file system changes right there
[05:47:20] <SirFinkus> I don't think any macs even ship with spinning rust anymore
[05:47:28] <charon> anyone use reiserFS?
[05:47:33] <SirFinkus> oh wait, nevermind
[05:47:37] <SirFinkus> they have those fusion drives
[05:47:52] <khallow> yea, I probably have my last spinning disk in my current laptop
[05:47:57] <khallow> not using it at the moment either
[05:48:09] <khallow> aside from keeping the room warm
[05:48:19] <SirFinkus> spinning rust is still pretty great though for capacity
[05:48:55] <charon> i'm pleased with having windows on it's very own SSD and everything else on a HDD
[05:49:15] <SirFinkus> pleased? with windows?
[05:49:21] <charon> boots fast, but i still have a ton of space
[05:49:27] <SirFinkus> some serious stockholm syndrome there
[05:49:28] <charon> 7
[05:49:46] <charon> psssh, it's tolerable, and i play too many games that require it
[05:49:54] <khallow> it's the gamz
[05:50:26] <arti> but tux racer
[05:50:29] <khallow> without that, MS is just another dead end product
[05:50:38] <charon> tux racer!
[05:50:41] <SirFinkus> yeah, 7 is ok
[05:50:56] <charon> yep, i would not downgrade to 8 or 10
[05:51:00] <SirFinkus> I use my windows box as a game console these days
[05:51:29] <arti> as opposed to the linux one?
[05:51:45] <charon> steamOS baby
[05:51:56] <SirFinkus> I don't have a desktop linux box, as I am not a masochist
[05:52:07] <arti> sure you are, you learned kanji
[05:52:34] <SirFinkus> but that's fun, and It doesn't have issues with vsync
[05:53:01] <khallow> I'm quite comfortable with being a knuckledragging and clippy has my best interests
[05:53:11] <khallow> what could go wrong?
[05:53:16] <charon> i sense... sarcasm?
[05:53:19] <khallow> er knuckledragger
[05:53:32] <khallow> I wish
[05:53:34] <SirFinkus> nobody is ever sarcastic on the internet charon
[05:53:40] * charon nods
[05:54:04] <SirFinkus> imma watch beetlejuice now, see if it holds up
[05:54:16] <charon> cheers, SirFinkus
[05:54:23] <khallow> I think I'll take this opportunity to sleep
[05:54:29] <arti> it'll hold up
[05:54:35] <arti> night khallow
[05:54:42] <khallow> got some driving tomorrow and get a bunch of prescription glasses
[05:54:44] <arti> doing a HD rewatch?
[05:54:51] <charon> good night khallow, good to chat with you
[05:54:56] <arti> khallow, going to simulate something?
[05:54:57] <khallow> night all
[05:55:11] <khallow> simulate?
[05:55:20] <charon> fyi, The Breakfast Club holds up well too
[05:55:49] <khallow> I think I mentioned earlier that I've been playing around with some ODEs
[05:55:50] <SirFinkus> christ
[05:56:04] <SirFinkus> did danny elfman compose the music for every one of these movies?
[05:56:09] <SirFinkus> I mean, fuck
[05:56:13] <charon> lol
[05:56:15] <khallow> I'm missing some final aspect to the current stuff I'm doing
[05:56:36] <arti> oh i see
[05:56:43] <SirFinkus> and all his stuff sounds the same
[05:56:46] <khallow> think I need to break out the symbolic code and whack at it with that
[05:57:00] <SirFinkus> it's all basically "in the hall of the mountain king"
[05:58:12] <khallow> I'm not to the stage where numerical work makes sense yet
[05:58:19] <khallow> anyway bye!
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[05:59:15] <charon> in this track, we hear the distinctive Elfmanian syncopation
[06:27:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Trace Neural Activity by Using Quantum Sensors - http://sylnt.us - will-I-dream-of-electric-sheep
[07:56:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - If the U.S. Won't Pay Its Teachers, China Will - http://sylnt.us - ni-hao-ma
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[11:38:32] <exec> welcome crutchy: Melbourne VIC, 16°C/61°F, 10:38 pm AEDT, Thursday, 22 December 2016
[11:47:53] <paulej72> i have no water this morning
[11:48:18] <paulej72> A main broke earlier and the water company is out there fixing it
[11:51:30] <crutchy> bugger
[11:51:44] <crutchy> any in the kettle at least?
[11:51:47] <crutchy> for
[11:51:49] <crutchy> coffee++
[11:51:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3095
[11:52:17] <crutchy> or urn or whatever you guys use
[11:53:38] <crutchy> ~story-submit
[11:53:42] <crutchy> ~arthur
[11:53:46] <crutchy> ~list
[11:53:47] <exec> ~list ~list-auth ~lock ~unlock
[11:53:48] <exec> ~! ~addr ~api ~arthur ~aur ~bday ~butt ~calc ~cat ~cd ~cid ~comments ~confucius ~convert ~count ~cowsay ~deb ~define ~define-add ~define-count ~define-delete ~define-sources ~devs ~eds ~exec-issue ~execfs ~fah ~filter ~filth ~first ~forex ~fortune ~g ~g'day ~g'night ~gday ~get ~github-add ~github-del ~github-list ~gnight ~google ~grab ~header ~header-login ~help ~isup ~jisho ~last ~link ~links ~location ~log ~ls ~md ~mkdir ~moo ~nyse ~openthepodbaydoors
[11:53:48] <exec> ~perl6 ~php ~queue ~quickpoll ~quote ~rainbow ~random ~rd ~rehash-issue ~remind ~rmdir ~romajidesu ~rps ~scramble ~sed ~seen ~set ~shorten ~sizeof ~sneak ~sneak-server ~staff ~stash ~story-search ~submit ~suggest ~suggest-api ~suggest-exec ~suggest-rss ~tell ~time ~time-add ~time-del ~time-prefs ~title ~trans ~translate ~translate-sl ~uid ~unset ~unstash ~up ~vote ~weather ~weather-add ~weather-del ~weather-old ~weather-prefs ~welcome ~wget ~youtube ~yt
[11:53:51] <exec> 444 stories loaded
[11:53:51] <exec> story not found
[11:54:05] <crutchy> ~story-submit 6830a0
[11:55:06] <crutchy> ~list-auth
[11:55:07] <exec> ~q ~rehash ~ps ~kill ~killall ~dest-override ~dest-clear ~buckets-dump ~buckets-save ~buckets-load ~buckets-flush ~buckets-list ~restart ~ignore ~unignore
[11:55:07] <exec> ~alias-info ~bucket ~define-list ~define-source-edit ~define-source-param ~delete-exec-file ~deop ~devoice ~eval ~event-info ~event-test ~exec-add ~exec-del ~exec-irc-raw ~exec-save ~getmem ~invite ~join ~journals ~kick ~lockdown ~minion ~mode ~mysql ~op ~part ~reader ~say ~slash-test ~soon ~sql ~startup ~storybot ~tests ~topic ~update-exec-file ~users ~voice
[11:56:48] <crutchy> ~arthur 18f871
[11:56:55] <exec> 444 stories loaded
[11:56:55] <exec> attempting to submit story: "WikiLeaks unleashes new 88GB 'insurance file' 2016-12"
[11:57:03] <paulej72> yeah I had some bottled water to do the necessary stuff
[11:57:26] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[11:57:36] <exec> 443 stories loaded
[11:58:09] <crutchy> wish i knew how that damn bot worked
[12:00:26] <paulej72> backwards apparently
[12:19:33] <chromas> we do use urns for coffee
[12:19:36] <chromas> Kenny brand
[12:23:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> glorp
[12:23:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> !uid
[12:23:18] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6442, owned by astritmirakaus
[12:45:04] <cmn32480> ~gday #soylent
[12:45:05] * exec half-heartedly culturally appropriates a lifetime supply of aptitude from #soylent
[12:46:18] <cmn32480> crutchy - we all wish we knew how the damn bot worked
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[12:59:46] <crutchy> uh oh. it dafuqd
[13:00:35] * crutchy "urns" for coffee..
[13:00:37] <cmn32480> nah.. I am running updates on his box
[13:00:42] <cmn32480> coffee++
[13:00:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3096
[13:01:05] <cmn32480> one of our sales reps sent a big ass box of homemade shortbread and candied nuts yesterday
[13:01:09] * crutchy 's mind tumbles into the gutter
[13:01:23] <cmn32480> so did ours
[13:02:09] * cmn32480 wasn't paying attention and thinks he might have just upgraded exec to 16.04...
[13:05:51] <crutchy> spewbuntu?
[13:06:01] <cmn32480> yeah
[13:06:48] <crutchy> hmm
[13:07:02] <crutchy> 16.04 is fairly old in ubuntu time isn't it?
[13:07:07] <crutchy> should probably be ok
[13:08:49] <cmn32480> April
[13:08:54] <cmn32480> but it is the LTS
[13:09:04] <cmn32480> currently on 14.04 LTS
[13:17:37] <cmn32480> "this can take several hours... " it is a celeron.. powering up can take several hours
[13:18:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> s/hours/weeks/
[13:18:30] <cmn32480> exec does sed...
[13:18:45] <cmn32480> he's currently being upgraded...
[13:18:51] <cmn32480> no typo fixing for you!
[13:20:57] <AndyTheAbsurd> was a comment on your comment; not an attempt to fix a typo.
[13:21:25] <crutchy> i'm averse to stupid dependencies so the thing should work on any vanilla php in linux
[13:21:48] <crutchy> haven't tried it in windows. not sure if windows supports some of those pcntl stuff
[13:21:58] <crutchy> might be interesting to try it in php7 one day
[13:22:28] * cmn32480 will leave that up to you to break
[13:22:42] <cmn32480> I'll be happy if I get him running on 16.04:TS
[13:23:11] <cmn32480> #smake PHPMyAdmin
[13:23:11] * MrPlow smakes PHPMyAdmin upside the head with gloveslap
[13:23:40] <crutchy> my work bots are still borked
[13:23:49] <cmn32480> from the 16.04 upgrade?
[13:23:51] <crutchy> nick prefix option still needs a bit of debugging
[13:23:55] <crutchy> nah
[13:24:03] <crutchy> they run on debian jessie stable
[13:24:03] <cmn32480> just in general?
[13:24:09] <crutchy> yeah :p
[13:24:25] * cmn32480 is pretty sure they came out of the box borked
[13:25:11] <cmn32480> in truth, exec has been prettty reliable for a long time
[13:25:12] <crutchy> it seems to be happier that way for some reason
[13:25:20] <crutchy> (borked)
[13:25:32] <cmn32480> some of the newish functions are a little weird
[13:25:53] <cmn32480> the integration w/ Arthur hasn't been right since the Python 3 rewrite
[13:26:21] <crutchy> hmm yeah i haven't dug into that yet
[13:26:27] <crutchy> not sure whats different
[13:26:49] <cmn32480> it works for a few days, then stops
[13:27:02] <cmn32480> I change the number of days worth of stories that it holds and it works again.
[13:27:12] <cmn32480> ]it's verry strange
[13:27:39] <cmn32480> I ahven't had time to do any more troubleshooting than dropping some debugs in the script to see where it si getting to.
[13:27:47] <cmn32480> as you see in #exec
[13:28:00] <crutchy> mkay. yeah i generally chuck in stuff like that too
[13:28:24] * crutchy isn't smart enough to use these new fangled ide's and debuggers
[13:28:34] * cmn32480 is dumber than crutchy
[13:28:45] <crutchy> geany++
[13:28:45] <Bender> karma - geany: 2
[13:29:10] <crutchy> cos gedit took a huge steaming dump on itself with gnome3 :(
[13:29:29] <cmn32480> I'm not using gnome3
[13:29:36] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:29:36] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3097
[13:29:37] <Bytram> !uid
[13:29:37] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6442, owned by astritmirakaus
[13:29:38] <cmn32480> I'm using ... um....
[13:29:46] <cmn32480> crap
[13:29:56] * Bytram offers a wad of tissue
[13:30:00] * crutchy is using winderz xp
[13:30:01] <cmn32480> it's the one that works with VNC
[13:30:14] <cmn32480> xfe?
[13:30:25] <crutchy> xfce
[13:30:29] <crutchy> xfce++
[13:30:29] <Bender> karma - xfce: 14
[13:30:31] <cmn32480> that sounds right
[13:30:50] <crutchy> i use xfce on all my debian boxen nowadays
[13:30:52] * cmn32480 still dont' know crap about linux.. but exec has forced him to learn
[13:32:37] <cmn32480> my daily work box is still windows 7
[13:32:45] <cmn32480> the gaming rig at the house is WIndwos 10
[13:33:26] <crutchy> i use linux at work just to trick my boss into thinking i'm doing something extremely important
[13:34:13] <cmn32480> that's why I keep the CLIO window into exec up...
[13:34:22] <cmn32480> stuff keeps on scrolling, people think it is important
[13:34:42] <crutchy> ooh yeah i got a good one of those
[13:34:48] <crutchy> database migration scripts
[13:35:07] <crutchy> from ms access xml export to mysql
[13:36:02] <cmn32480> ewww
[13:36:16] <cmn32480> sounds right ugly
[13:36:30] <crutchy> yes... two filthy names in databases in one sentence
[13:36:45] * crutchy is ashamed
[13:36:54] <cmn32480> at least migrate to MSSQLServer for Linux
[13:37:21] <Bytram> brb
[13:37:21] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[13:37:46] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[13:40:10] * cmn32480 waits for it to restart the SSH daemon and kick him off leaving things bricked
[13:43:29] <Bytram> back
[13:43:50] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:43:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3098
[13:43:52] <Bytram> afk
[13:48:57] <cmn32480> alll righty... I gotta go pull a warehouse order... back in a while
[13:49:28] <cmn32480> crutchy - If I don't talk to you, have a Merry Christmas, unless you celebrate that in June, in which case, have a good weekend
[13:54:33] <crutchy> lol
[13:54:46] <crutchy> you too mate. stay safe
[13:55:15] <crutchy> i got nearly 2 weeks off over xmas and new year so should be good
[13:55:40] <crutchy> june is... cold and shit
[13:56:32] <crutchy> though it probably does seem weird to sing winter carols in summer :/
[13:56:33] <cmn32480> nope
[13:56:35] <cmn32480> December is
[13:57:12] <crutchy> #smakeadd a reverse toilet flush
[13:57:12] <MrPlow> "a reverse toilet flush" added.
[13:57:20] <cmn32480> lol
[13:58:19] <crutchy> damn. its 1am. probably should get to bed
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[14:01:29] * Bytram waves a belated goodbye to crutchy
[14:07:14] <Bytram> http://arstechnica.com
[14:08:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Prehistoric Bird Species Discovered - http://sylnt.us - birds-with-bite
[14:11:05] <Bytram> hmmm, exec no longer does titles?
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[15:36:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Supreme Court to Hear Case That May Ruin Lone Star Patent Trolls - http://sylnt.us - I-prefer-online-venue-shopping
[15:50:23] <Bytram> https://www.youtube.com
[16:07:59] <Bytram> ~titles
[16:08:13] <Bytram> ~
[16:08:17] <Bytram> ~help
[16:08:20] <Bytram> ~list
[16:08:31] <Bytram> ~titles on
[16:17:12] <paulej72> ~titties on did you say?
[16:18:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> no, tittles
[16:18:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> you know, the little dots over lowercase i and j?
[16:19:11] <paulej72> off for holiday lunch not sure when Ill be back on line as this is the begining of my holiday break.
[16:19:17] <paulej72> Laters all
[16:20:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> adios. happy ho ho.
[16:25:24] <Bytram> paulej72: happy holidays!
[16:25:44] * Bytram yawns
[16:25:44] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Bytram's gaping mouth
[16:25:55] <Bytram> MrPlow: s/sk/t/
[16:26:03] <Bytram> MrPlow: s/Sk/t/
[16:26:10] <Bytram> nvm
[16:27:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey, Bytram, can you do vhosts for new staff?
[16:28:02] <Bytram> thas a good question... never done it, and methinks I don't have the privs, but if you know the syntax, I'd be happy to try... what do i gotta do?
[16:28:15] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[16:28:29] * Bytram shurgs, too
[16:28:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> you prolly have the privs but i dunno how.
[16:28:39] <Bytram> hmmm
[16:28:39] <Bytram> .op
[16:28:39] -!- mode/#Soylent [+o Bytram] by Aphrodite
[16:28:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> likely something you can google
[16:29:33] <Bytram> yep... am looking
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[16:30:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> seems to be all user-based help
[16:31:46] <Bytram> hmmm, now looking at "hostmask"
[16:33:26] <Bytram> nope... looks like a vhost is a subset capability of hostmask
[16:34:25] * TheMightyBuzzard rtfms and gets quite confused
[16:35:21] * Bytram looks at: https://appliedirc.com
[16:36:20] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: who needs a vhost?
[16:37:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i forget. janrinok was wanting one of the new eds vhosted.
[16:37:38] <Bytram> k
[16:37:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> mrpg
[16:37:48] * Bytram looks at who is on in #editorial
[16:37:50] <Bytram> ahhh
[16:39:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> try /hs help too
[16:40:29] * Bytram tries: /msg NickServ VHOST mrpg ON ~mrpg@Soylent/Staff/Editor/mrpg
[16:40:44] * Bytram gets: You are not authorized to perform this operation.
[16:40:50] <Bytram> :(
[16:41:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, guess it's Deucalion or bust then, janrinok
[16:43:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> shouldn't that be /msg hostserv though?
[16:43:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> e.g. /msg HostServ VHOST spb may.explode.on.impact
[16:44:35] <Bytram> you mean there is an incorrect example at: https://appliedirc.com
[16:44:36] * Bytram decided to try it
[16:44:53] <Bytram> same error :/
[16:45:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i mean that's the wrong ircd to be getting examples from
[16:45:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ah well
[16:45:23] <Bytram> oh. /me grins sheepishly... Baaaaaa!
[16:45:29] <Bytram> humbug, too
[16:46:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno the tune, hum a few bars
[16:47:18] <Bytram> lol
[16:47:18] * Bytram looks at: https://www.stack.nl
[16:47:23] <Bytram> and waits
[16:48:06] <Bytram> doesn't look like what I am looking for
[16:48:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.stack.nl
[16:48:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> atheme is what we use for services
[16:49:44] <Bytram> k
[16:49:44] <Bytram> clicky
[16:49:54] * Bytram tries: /msg HostServ LISTVHOST
[16:50:04] <Bytram> not authorized
[16:50:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> the weather for christmas day is sposed to be outstandingly nice, if a bit cloudy here. i'd go fishing but the wind's also sposed to be impressive.
[16:50:20] <Bytram> in that case, go fly a kite?
[16:50:28] <Bytram> or, go sailing!
[16:50:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess i could take a bed sheet and a broomstick and save my trolling motor battery.
[16:51:23] <Bytram> now you're thinking!
[16:51:43] <Bytram> KISS - make a lanteen sail
[16:51:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> you take that back!
[16:52:18] <Bytram> okay: lias neetnal a ekam - SSIK
[16:52:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've in fact been playing vidya all mornin to avoid thinking.
[16:53:11] <Bytram> nod nod -- /me knows that THAT is like
[16:54:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do so lurve me some forza horizon 3. got myself a special edition lamborghini countach what gives you double money for winning races. course i HAD to paint it like the automan car.
[16:55:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> until i won that i was running around in the general lee because who the hell doesn't want to do that?
[16:56:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> next car is a hard call between the magnum pi ferrari and the ferris bueller ferrari
[16:57:59] <Bytram> lol /me remembers Magum PI's rate: $200/day + expenses
[16:58:05] <Bytram> seemed so exorbidant back then
[16:58:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, yeah. nowadays i charge more than that an hour for proper consulting gigs.
[16:59:31] <Bytram> that's really nice if you can get it... lemme know if you ever need someone to beat on someone else's code!
[17:00:32] <Bytram> aha!
[17:00:52] <Bytram> looks like this might help witht he VHOST stuff...
[17:01:08] <Bytram> take a look at: /MSG Hostserv help request
[17:02:05] <Bytram> so, mrpg would issue, if I read this correctly, /msg HostServe REQUEST ~mrpg@SoylentNews/Staff/Editor/mrpg
[17:02:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> soylent/staff/editorial/blah vhosts aren't offered to world+dog
[17:02:38] <cmn32480> Deucalion ahs to assign him that host
[17:02:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, Deucalion would have to approve it and he can just as well set it outright and save mrpg the hassle
[17:02:52] <Bytram> prolly
[17:03:00] <Bytram> that's about as far aas I can go with it with my limited powers.
[17:03:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> bummer. we should get him to power you up so you can do more stuff. you can be the next mrcoolbp!
[17:04:19] <Bytram> tough shoes to fill
[17:04:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> mind you, you already could go in and give yourself powers since you have root on bery. that would be stomping on the british guy's toes though.
[17:05:25] <Bytram> not my style... I prefer to be asked than to take w/o authorization
[17:05:50] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[17:06:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i added myself to bender's admins list but that's all the back door power grabbing i've done
[17:08:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh bah... turns out the ferrari in ferris bueller wasn't a ferrari. it was a modena, a ferrari replica.
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[17:13:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> okey doke. believe it's time to lunch up then have a nap.
[17:16:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Ultrasound Technique is First to Image Inside Live Cells - http://sylnt.us - can-you-see-me-now?
[17:22:00] <Bytram> food and sleep sounds like an excellent plan... /me embarks on same
[17:27:16] <cmn32480> damn.. shit look doffrent in 16.04
[17:29:31] <nick> get off my lawn
[17:34:44] * cmn32480 steps carefully back to the sidwalk
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[18:06:06] <nick> ~weather
[18:09:59] <cmn32480> no exec, currently
[18:17:25] <janrinok> hello again peeps
[18:18:55] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~gday janrinok
[18:19:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> oh wait, no exec.
[18:19:05] <janrinok> ~gday AndyTheAbsurd
[18:19:11] <janrinok> true - no exec
[18:19:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> #socialist exec
[18:19:15] <MrPlow> exec, you're a socialist!
[18:19:57] <janrinok> AndyTheAbsurd, you good?
[18:20:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> yeah I guess.
[18:20:43] <janrinok> you don't sound convinced
[18:21:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> Trying to get some work done despite a number of issues with the setup of our CMS.
[18:23:49] <AndyTheAbsurd> It has been...extremely frustrating.
[18:24:23] <AndyTheAbsurd> How about you?
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[18:27:04] <cmn32480> ~blame
[18:27:05] * exec points at Bytram
[18:27:09] <cmn32480> seems to work
[18:27:25] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[18:27:27] * exec $adverb imagines a udp packet of rocket sauce with janrinok
[18:28:05] <cmn32480> and exec is back online...
[18:28:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~gday nick
[18:28:32] * exec explicitly ships a truckload of disagreement with nick
[18:28:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~gday janrinok
[18:28:39] * exec crutchyly coalesces an alternative view of capsaicin with janrinok
[18:28:43] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~gday cmn32480
[18:28:44] * exec arrogantly slides a 40 of arrogance to cmn32480
[18:28:52] <Bytram> https://www.cnet.com
[18:28:52] <Bytram> ~gday cmn32480
[18:28:54] <Bytram> ~gday AndyTheAbsurd
[18:28:55] <Bytram> ~gday janrinok
[18:28:57] <exec> └─ 13Bitcoin reaches highest total valuation of $14 billion - CNET
[18:28:58] * exec presumably requisitions a pair of mail tiers for cmn32480
[18:29:00] * exec ceremoniously drops a bathtub of active directory on AndyTheAbsurd
[18:29:11] * Bytram waits for it
[18:29:27] <Bytram> @smake exec
[18:29:28] <Bytram> #smake exec
[18:29:28] * MrPlow smakes exec upside the head with a caffeinated foosh
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[18:29:44] <cmn32480> ORD676333+
[18:29:49] <AndyTheAbsurd> I think you overloaded poor exec's buffer.
[18:29:51] <cmn32480> damn.. wrong window
[18:29:54] <Bytram> ~gday janrinok
[18:29:56] * exec whole-heartedly crams shippon of pubes into janrinok
[18:30:01] <Bytram> urg
[18:30:22] <Bytram> cmn32480: hunter2
[18:30:24] <cmn32480> python no worky...
[18:30:25] <Bytram> ;)
[18:30:32] <cmn32480> means no arthur
[18:30:46] <Bytram> arthurgeddon
[18:30:51] <cmn32480> I'll give it an hour and see if anythign happens or if ti bombs
[18:30:57] <Bytram> nodnod
[18:31:45] <janrinok> hi bytram
[18:31:48] <janrinok> hi cmn32480
[18:31:56] <Bytram> janrinok: hiya janrinok
[18:32:07] <Bytram> happy holidays
[18:32:09] <cmn32480> hey janrinok
[18:32:18] <janrinok> how's things guys?
[18:32:21] <Bytram> brb lunch should be ready
[18:32:24] <janrinok> an to you too Bytram
[18:32:30] * Bytram is HUNGRY
[18:32:49] * cmn32480 is ruinnign hard today.. the lady weho normally handles our shipping and receiving s on cvacation.. and the end of the year is approaching... so every bastard in the joint is trying to emp[ty the warehouse today
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[18:34:42] * Bytram calls dunkin' donuts to deliver a "Bucket of Joe" to cmn32480
[18:34:47] * Bytram chips in extra for the IV attachment
[18:35:32] * Bytram puts it on his SN credit card
[18:37:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Huge Solar Plant Beams Power and Hope to Rural Uganda - http://sylnt.us - got-to-have-my-MTV
[18:38:17] <janrinok> cmn32480, charge an extra fee for 'holiday handling' and see if that helps: a. reduce the demand, or b. boosts your bank balance
[18:39:34] <Bytram> end_of_year_antics--
[18:39:34] <Bender> karma - end_of_year_antics: -1
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[18:43:43] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v n1] by Aphrodite
[18:43:45] <exec> welcome n1: Montevideo, Montevideo Department, Uruguay, 26°C/79°F, 3:43 pm GMT-3, Thursday, 22 December 2016
[18:43:56] <n1> psh
[18:45:00] <janrinok> it's the software - it lies!
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[18:46:00] <exec> welcome AndyTheAbsurd: Saint Petersburg, FL 33701, USA, 22°C/71°F, 1:45 pm GMT-5, Thursday, 22 December 2016
[18:48:41] <cmn32480> interesting...
[18:48:51] <cmn32480> ~weather nick
[18:48:52] <exec> 10Laurium, Calumet Township, MI, USA - currently 34°F / 1°C, sunny, wind W at 14 mph, humidity 60% - Thursday sunny (26°F:36°F / -3°C:2°C), Friday snow showers (29°F:36°F / -2°C:2°C), Saturday cloudy (22°F:31°F / -6°C:-1°C), Sunday snow (28°F:29°F / -2°C:-2°C)
[18:48:57] <cmn32480> nope.. user error
[18:49:19] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[18:49:21] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 31°F, snow showers, wind E at 5 mph, humidity 85% - Thursday snow showers (18°F:31°F), Friday partly cloudy (22°F:31°F), Saturday snow with brief sleet (26°F:32°F), Sunday mostly sunny (0°F:27°F)
[18:49:22] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[18:49:23] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 35°F, snow showers, wind S at 5 mph, humidity 86% - Thursday rain and snow (26°F:36°F), Friday sunny (29°F:39°F), Saturday rain (29°F:40°F), Sunday sunny (14°F:37°F)
[18:49:27] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[18:49:29] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 39°F, cloudy, wind SW at 2 mph, humidity 78% - Thursday showers (31°F:40°F), Friday sunny (34°F:44°F), Saturday rain (34°F:45°F), Sunday sunny (26°F:43°F)
[18:50:00] <n1> it's not user error that exec doesnt know the links as understood by nickserv
[18:50:38] <Bytram> ~weather n1
[18:50:39] <exec> 10Montevideo, Montevideo Department, Uruguay - currently 78°F, cloudy, wind S at 6 mph, humidity 74% - Thursday cloudy (67°F:81°F), Friday rain (61°F:78°F), Saturday sunny (68°F:85°F), Sunday thunderstorm (71°F:83°F)
[18:51:33] <cmn32480> ~weather-add n1 Laurium, Calumet Township, MI, USA
[18:51:34] <exec> name "n1" set for location "Laurium, Calumet Township, MI, USA"
[18:51:37] <cmn32480> fixed\
[18:51:48] <cmn32480> maybe if you only used one nick like the rest of us....
[18:51:53] <cmn32480> ~weather n1
[18:51:55] <exec> 10Laurium, Calumet Township, MI, USA - currently 34°F / 1°C, sunny, wind W at 14 mph, humidity 60% - Thursday sunny (26°F:36°F / -3°C:2°C), Friday snow showers (29°F:36°F / -2°C:2°C), Saturday cloudy (22°F:31°F / -6°C:-1°C), Sunday snow (28°F:29°F / -2°C:-2°C)
[18:52:14] <janrinok> use one nick nick, or someone might nick you one nick nick
[18:52:42] <cmn32480> you diud that just in the nick of time
[18:53:05] <Bytram> so, a nick is just a flesh wound?
[18:53:24] <Bytram> 'es a killer rabbit!
[18:54:36] <n1> all three of you need a slap
[18:56:48] <Bytram> ~define SLAPP
[18:56:49] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03SLAPP: Sounds Like A Personal Problem.
[18:56:53] <Bytram> ~define SLAP
[18:56:54] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03slap: What the five fingers said to the face.
[18:57:03] <Bytram> ~g SLAPP
[18:57:04] <exec> [google] https://en.wikipedia.org
[18:57:15] <Bytram> finally.
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[19:01:27] <exec> welcome AndyTheAbsurd: Saint Petersburg, FL 33701, USA, 22°C/72°F, 2:01 pm GMT-5, Thursday, 22 December 2016
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[19:28:09] <Bytram> lunch has caught up with me... nap time
[19:28:14] <Bytram> laters!
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[19:40:23] <chromas> ~title on
[19:40:23] <exec> titles already enabled for 10#Soylent
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[19:40:40] <chromas> well shit
[19:40:54] * chromas blames Upgrayyed
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[19:43:13] <cmn32480> test
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[19:44:08] <cmn32480> ~quit
[19:44:10] <exec> successfully saved buckets file (81.3 kb)
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[19:44:14] <cmn32480> stu[ifd me
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[19:45:55] <cmn32480> ok that gives me the error codes for Arthur...
[19:46:03] <cmn32480> now I gotta un-pooch it
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[20:03:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> Headline we just sent out in an e-mail newsletter "Trump's plans in Florida short on details"
[20:03:50] <AndyTheAbsurd> duh
[20:03:55] <AndyTheAbsurd> Trump doesn't actually have plans, he just tells people what they want to hear.
[20:04:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> #MakeAmericaGrateAgain
[20:09:56] <cmn32480> your marketing dept's title case button needs work
[20:10:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> it's a headline not a title, and at least they're consistent about it.
[20:12:10] <cmn32480> consistent yes, correct, not so much
[20:12:37] <cmn32480> though I suppose the argument can be made for how formal the newsletter is
[20:12:43] <cmn32480> meh.. whatever
[20:13:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> "Meh" is right. I'm on the wrong floor to car about such things.
[20:13:10] <cmn32480> the premise is still correct.. he's out of his league... and hasn't a clue what he's doing
[20:13:23] <AndyTheAbsurd> (3rd floor: Journalists; 4th floor: Advertising and IT.)
[20:14:01] <cmn32480> 5th floor.. ladies lingerie?
[20:15:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> Sadly, no. No retail in the building at the moment.
[20:16:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> Actually, I think 5 is empty at the moment; we've sold the building and the new owners are still looking for tenants.
[20:16:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sex Evolved to Help Future Generations Fight Infection, Scientists Show - http://sylnt.us - never-used-that-excuse-before
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[20:24:02] <exec> welcome n1: Laurium, Calumet Township, MI, USA, 3°C/37°F, 3:24 pm GMT-5, Thursday, 22 December 2016
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[20:24:54] <exec> welcome n1: Laurium, Calumet Township, MI, USA, 3°C/37°F, 3:24 pm GMT-5, Thursday, 22 December 2016
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[20:58:59] <exec> welcome Ethanol-fueled: San Diego, CA, USA, 16°C/61°F, 12:58 pm GMT-8, Thursday, 22 December 2016
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[21:00:11] <charon> he just got on for the weather report?
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[21:36:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Discover New Natural Source of Potent Anti-Cancer Drugs - http://sylnt.us - can-we-patent-dirt?
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[23:12:13] <Deucalion> seem so
[23:12:17] <Deucalion> ~weather
[23:12:18] <exec> 10London, UK - currently 44°F / 7°C, clear, wind SW at 5 mph, humidity 88% - Thursday clear with periodic clouds (38°F:50°F / 3°C:10°C), Friday showers (41°F:55°F / 5°C:13°C), Saturday mostly cloudy (48°F:51°F / 9°C:11°C), Sunday cloudy (48°F:57°F / 9°C:14°C)
[23:12:47] <Deucalion> lazy way to do it if you already have irc open anyway
[23:17:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Light Spectrum of Antimatter Observed - http://sylnt.us - it's-like-looking-in-a-mirror
[23:40:27] <n1> Deucalion, by lazy you mean efficient
[23:47:47] <Deucalion> n1, that's the way I see it too. Others would suggest getting the phone, loading up a weather app, yada yada. Who in their right mind would do that when the info is just a few keystrokes away without even switching focus :D
[23:54:00] <n1> 'there's an irc bot for that' never really caught on sadly