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[23:57:56] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: The netbook fits in some of my shorts pockets. It's so fucking adorable, and useful!
[23:57:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> just don't wanna get rid of something that works then
[23:57:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> roger
[23:57:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[23:57:34] <Subsentient> I'm on it now
[23:57:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Zombie Apocalypse Thwarted? - http://sylnt.us - Abby-Normal
[23:57:29] <Subsentient> I just got one. Thinkpad T410 Core i5, refurb.
[23:57:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> or you could save up $200 and get a better laptop
[23:56:54] <Subsentient> So, backwards 32/64 hybrid, that way I can run it on anything, and execute 64-bit code on systems that support it.
[23:56:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff
[23:56:23] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: It's one of those pieces of hardware I don't want to retire lol
[23:56:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, hotwings are 20m from eatin
[23:54:27] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: My netbook is just really convenient and tiny.
[23:54:16] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: I already have a Pine64 and such.
[23:54:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> hang on, must prod hotwings
[23:53:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> should get you a couple of the new raspberry pis. they can at least do 64bit and prolly faster than yer current kit.
[23:53:48] <swiss> fucking customs
[23:53:45] <swiss> my macbook got delayed
[23:53:31] <Subsentient> Acer Aspire One ZG5 netbook, 8.9' screen
[23:53:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> wow, that's some old hardware
[23:53:15] <Subsentient> I still use machines that can't execute 64-bit code.
[23:53:06] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: My netbook and servers etc can't run 64-bit.
[23:52:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> so just make the 64bit
[23:52:41] <Subsentient> I don't wanna make two versions of it.
[23:52:30] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: So I can run it on 32-bit systems, but still be able to run 64-bit code on my 64-bit systems.
[23:52:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> why?
[23:52:09] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[23:51:52] <Subsentient> That and it'll be a hybrid system, backwards 64/32 hybrid, where the userland is 32-bit by default with 64-bit libraries, and an optional 64-bit kernel.
[23:51:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> nifty
[23:51:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> so far i'm diggin it pretty well in a vm. little different but nothin i can't handle.
[23:51:04] <Subsentient> After I'm done with my current projects, I'm contemplating resuming packrat and Epoch and finishing up SubLinux 3. This one will use musl instead of glibc. T_T
[23:50:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> or the option to pull from gentoo's portage
[23:49:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> no systemd and binary packages
[23:49:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> pondering a move to compute 4.8.7
[23:49:31] <Subsentient> Fedora 4.8.6
[23:49:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> arch 4.8.8
[23:49:04] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: What distro/kernel you on now?
[23:43:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> hotwings, bitches! with extra hot! in about 30m anyway.
[23:34:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, that's taken care of. time for dinner.
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[23:28:28] * TheMightyBuzzard reboots for a kernel upgrade
[23:28:12] <DECbot> later
[23:28:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy
[23:28:03] <DECbot> anyway, work day is over... I have to pry my wrists from the keyboard now.
[23:27:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> just keep your pr0n in ~
[23:27:30] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[23:27:21] <DECbot> my fault for encrypting /boot and / like a dumbass
[23:27:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> same here. LUKS for /home
[23:26:43] <DECbot> now I have to actually be at the machine to unlock it during boot
[23:26:21] <DECbot> yep, no problems with the new box... except setting GELI to encrypt the zfs pool
[23:25:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn thing eats ram something fierce if you want good view/load distances.
[23:25:29] <DECbot> I tried runing minecraft on the old one, and the minecraft server daemon kept crashing
[23:24:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh, there ya go. mine too.
[23:24:49] <DECbot> the new box also is a minecraft server
[23:24:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but that's not going to gain you anything on a fileserver really.
[23:24:25] <DECbot> the motherboard/processor was 10yrs old
[23:24:03] <DECbot> 32bit x86 Via processor and 1G max ram to a modern x86_64 AMD processor with 16gb ram installed and more sata ports
[23:22:37] <DECbot> it should make backups easier with the zfs snapshots
[23:22:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> how do you upgrade a home fileserver except by adding drives?
[23:22:22] <DECbot> it has 3x 1TB drives and a 2TB drive, all of it on zfs
[23:21:34] <DECbot> I'm looking to upgrade my home file server. Right now the new box is running FreeBSD 10.3 on zfs, I like it but I'm eyeing FreeNAS too
[23:21:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> ext4 works fine for that setup. zfs would gain me nothing.
[23:21:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have one 1TB drive for / and one for /home on the linux side. another 1TB for winders n games.
[23:20:33] <FatPhil> zfs keeps waking up virtual machines that should be idling.
[23:20:23] <DECbot> desktop is even more bland
[23:20:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[23:20:06] <DECbot> I don't do anything fancy. Samba for files at home, mysql, postfix, apache on my servers
[23:19:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ext4 is okay. i've no real complaints if you're not looking for a fancy, server-class filesystem.
[23:18:59] <DECbot> That sort of happened by staying on 12.04 forever
[23:18:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[23:18:20] <DECbot> I went from ext3/reiser3 to zfs
[23:18:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, odd
[23:18:05] <DECbot> nor have I played with ext4...
[23:17:38] <DECbot> I admint I never played with btrfs
[23:13:25] <DECbot> ah, so the btrfs-recommends-zfs department
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[23:09:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> been hearing how it was gonna be awesome in just a year or so for like ten years
[23:08:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i'm not gonna bother subbing it. btrfs is never going to amount to anything at this rate.
[23:07:34] <DECbot> so... should it be from the "these-are-the-bits-you're-looking-for" department?
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[22:53:31] <AzumaHazuki> aaaand with that i am off to job #2. au revoir
[22:52:43] * AzumaHazuki mount -o force /dev/hazuki/face /mnt/workdesk
[22:52:37] <chromas> that way I can set the porn directory to raid1 but not waste space on crap like family photos
[22:51:35] <chromas> They still need to make it so different subvolumes can be mounted with different raid settings
[22:51:02] <AzumaHazuki> you mean you DON'T like your production boxes getting clusterfsck'd on a regular basis?
[22:50:13] <FatPhil> ditto. corrupting files is certainly not the most desireable feature in a filesystem.
[22:49:44] <FatPhil> is it saying "really really to do with software" and "really really to do with open source" to you too?
[22:49:24] <chromas> I thought I read they finally tossed out the raid 5/6 code 'cause it was so terrible
[22:49:16] <FatPhil> it hands out the right to use its logo to those who pay it money.
[22:48:36] <FatPhil> it sponsors conferences where the most high-profile speakers work for the biggest sponsors.
[22:28:59] * TheMightyBuzzard tries to decide if he can be arsed to make a proper sub
[22:27:57] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs
[22:27:54] <exec> └─ 13Btrfs RAID5/RAID6 Support Finally Get Fixed - Phoronix
[22:27:53] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[22:27:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit http://www.phoronix.com
[22:27:48] * TheMightyBuzzard crosses his fingers
[22:26:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell it's not even gnu
[22:25:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> what exactly does it do besides sit there with linux in its name? it's not the kernel, it's not a distro...
[22:23:55] <FatPhil> I've worked for several big sponsors, and know exactly why they sponsor it.
[22:23:35] <FatPhil> Linux foundation became mostly irrelevant from an OSS perspective years ago.
[22:18:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, 07:28 UTC
[22:17:41] * TheMightyBuzzard looks to see if we have that queued up yet
[22:17:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Zap to the Head Leads to Fat Loss - http://sylnt.us - where-does-all-that-fat-GO?
[22:15:54] <AzumaHazuki> ignore the whiskers and big red bushy tail on that very very large hen
[22:15:43] <AzumaHazuki> boy there's nothing suspicious about that shit at all. nope
[22:13:18] <boru> Aye, read that earlier. Called it over a decade ago.
[22:12:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, apparently microsoft is now a platinum member of the linux foundation
[22:11:21] <cmn32480> later gator
[22:11:16] <cmn32480> back on after dinner at the house
[22:11:12] * cmn32480 cuts out for the night
[22:07:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> tired. need moar caffeine or something.
[22:07:19] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[22:07:19] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[22:05:55] <MrPlow> #fite exec falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
[22:05:45] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[22:05:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite exec
[22:04:52] * MrPlow smakes cmn32480 upside the head with a sticker
[22:04:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake cmn32480
[22:04:46] <MrPlow> #fite Loggie falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
[22:04:40] <boru> TMB; ***ALERT: #FITE LOG MESSAGE MISSED
[22:04:39] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[22:04:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite Loggie
[22:04:28] <cmn32480> BONUS!
[22:04:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> silly cmn32480, you're going to make boru think i missed something
[22:03:13] * cmn32480 falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet
[22:02:18] * MrPlow smakes cmn32480 upside the head with a UNIX manual
[22:02:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake cmn32480
[22:02:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i agree
[21:55:40] * MrPlow smakes cmn32480 upside the head with vibrating rooster sammich
[21:55:40] <cmn32480> #smake cmn32480
[21:55:26] <cmn32480> starting a software upgrade at 15 mimnutes to 5 was pretty damned stupid
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[21:33:33] <exec> └─ 13Mt. Shasta Shastafarian Porter, Showing FatPhil's review
[21:33:26] <FatPhil> nope, and they're not as dark as this was: http://www.ratebeer.com
[21:28:35] <cmn32480> Are tehy Diet Shasta Orange?
[21:26:48] <FatPhil> chromas: they instantaniously boil the water that you throw on them. And as these have tons of holes, there's lots of surface area.
[21:23:32] * cmn32480 calibrates the label printer to run after he leaves
[21:21:22] <cmn32480> chromas - it is the CoC of Conformity
[21:20:54] <cmn32480> that interweb is jsut a fad.. it'll be gone in a couple weeks
[21:14:31] * chromas consults the interweb
[21:13:31] <chromas> What do they do?
[21:13:12] <FatPhil> time to test the new sauna stones! (volcanic rock from Mount Shasta, 20 times the price of ordinary stones, we thought we'd treat outselves.)
[21:12:50] <chromas> yeah it's a weapon in the bot #fite
[21:11:51] <FatPhil> CoC = Code of Cockups?
[21:09:01] <AzumaHazuki> ...wow. that is a juicy straightline right there
[20:58:13] <chromas> No CoC can contain the buzzard
[20:57:41] <cmn32480> awwwww
[20:57:37] <MrPlow> #fite cmn32480 falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
[20:56:23] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[20:56:23] <cmn32480> #fite TheMightyBuzzard
[20:56:12] <cmn32480> the buzzard has been playing agian I see
[20:55:47] <MrPlow> #fite FatPhil falls broken at cmn32480's feet.
[20:55:27] <MrPlow> There's already a fight going on. Wait your turn.
[20:55:27] <FatPhil> #fite Mayonaise
[20:55:26] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[20:55:26] <cmn32480> #fite FatPhil
[20:55:15] <MrPlow> #fite mrcoolbp falls broken at FatPhil's feet.
[20:55:08] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[20:55:08] <FatPhil> #fite mrcoolbp
[20:54:29] <MrPlow> #fite mechanicjay falls broken at FatPhil's feet.
[20:54:26] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[20:54:26] <FatPhil> #fite mechanicjay
[20:48:41] * AzumaHazuki gives Bender a microfiber cloth and a can of Electronic Endust. For keeping his metal ass shiny.
[20:48:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Global Carbon Growth Stalls as US Coal Continues to Slump - http://sylnt.us - heavy-use-continues-but-increase-leveled-off
[20:40:11] <exec> └─ 13Swiss Armed Forces - Wikipedia
[20:40:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> Their patrol boats look pretty bad-ass, though: https://en.wikipedia.org
[20:39:38] <AndyTheAbsurd> It's not a Navy, it's the Swiss Land Forces lakes flotilla
[20:38:26] <boru> No, that's just an optical illusion.
[20:37:05] <DECbot> I did not... is it like the Austrian Navy?
[20:36:44] <boru> Did you know that Switzerland has a navy?
[20:36:19] <DECbot> why settle for the systemd swiss army knife when you can have the Swiss army?
[20:35:48] <boru> How else would one configure dbus in kernelmode without a kernelmode text editor!
[20:35:21] <DECbot> i wonder if we can convince the emacs snobs to replace systemd with emacs...
[20:34:30] <DECbot> seams reasonable
[20:33:41] <boru> Actually, I think it became an LKM.
[20:33:15] <boru> Isn't emacsd a service, now? (For faster post-boot emacs loading. naturally)
[20:32:29] <DECbot> are you suggesting systemd on emacs on systemd?
[20:32:24] <mechanicjay> DECbot: fair enough
[20:31:47] <chromas> systemd vs emacs
[20:30:54] <DECbot> I dont have the motivation to continue these racist arguemtns on the internet. It's emacs vs vi all over again
[20:30:27] <mechanicjay> swiss: That's true, there is a certain intolerance here for cis-male-whiteness, as long as you're accepting of non cis-male-whiteness however, it seems to be okay.
[20:27:52] <chromas> phobeocolor!
[20:27:43] <chromas> oh shit that's racist. sorry
[20:27:36] <chromas> colorophobe
[20:26:43] <DECbot> stop being less white then!
[20:26:27] <chromas> Stop oppressing us whitey!
[20:26:25] <DECbot> oh yeah, that...
[20:25:18] <DECbot> I don't recall that.. but then again I suffer from white cis male: you know, accepted everywhere you'd want to be
[20:24:56] <swiss> then they all will beat your ass
[20:24:51] <swiss> unless you voted for trump
[20:23:57] <chromas> Except that one bookstore
[20:23:32] <DECbot> I recall Portlandia pretty accepting too
[20:20:17] <mechanicjay> AzumaHazuki: Seriously, come to Seattle -- this is literally the most accepting place I've ever seen. You shouldn't need to fear for you safety here.
[20:19:07] <cmn32480> ^^ yup yup
[20:18:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, he's a good egg.
[20:18:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, think i'm going to do up some dishes and eat some coco pebbles for lunch.
[20:18:34] <DECbot> Every few years I have to replace my alarm clock because I acclimate myself to it
[20:18:28] <AzumaHazuki> i'm glad things are improving for him. i know his story
[20:18:17] <cmn32480> doh. missed him
[20:18:08] <cmn32480> Be well MDC. Glad to hear you are still kicking along.
[20:18:05] <AzumaHazuki> o/
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[20:18:00] <MDC> bye now
[20:17:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> my annoying alarm takes care of that. took me a while to find one i couldn't sleep through but nowadays i'm up five minutes before it goes off anyway.
[20:17:30] <MDC> gotta go soon
[20:16:22] <MDC> doc prescribed welbutrin so I would sleep less, but it's not effective
[20:16:01] <MDC> they do, but I sleep excessively. Haven't had much luck avoiding that.
[20:15:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> regular hours help with the depression too.
[20:15:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> motivated, schmotivated. put the hours in like it was an actual job with start time and quit time.
[20:15:04] <AzumaHazuki> go to ground, save money, take a second job doing bullshit retail if you can...
[20:14:31] <MDC> but lately I'm not motivated to work on it
[20:14:22] <MDC> I have the idea that writing my own software product will make me money
[20:14:15] <AzumaHazuki> if i don't a good friend dies
[20:14:06] <AzumaHazuki> i never did. and putting around 35% of my net income into the anti-human-trafficking stuff doesn't help
[20:13:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm in the process of squandering mine all away. it's fairly enjoyable as a process.
[20:13:11] <MDC> I used to have money. Squandered it all away. :-/
[20:12:48] <AzumaHazuki> it hasn't been great since the early 70s and even then it sucked ass unless you were white and had at least some money
[20:12:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i'm great and some of the beer's great but the rest of you? eh...
[20:12:11] <MDC> But isn't america great again?
[20:12:09] <AzumaHazuki> not sticking around for this on
[20:12:03] <AzumaHazuki> i've seen this show before and the last episode was broadcast in german about 80 years ago
[20:11:54] <MDC> really it does
[20:11:50] <AzumaHazuki> i don't feel safe here in the US any longer.
[20:11:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> the other vancouver is supposed to have nicer weather. s'why they film a lot of lower-budget shows there.
[20:11:22] <MDC> Vancouver BC is a much more interesting place
[20:11:02] <AzumaHazuki> ahh, okay
[20:10:55] <MDC> Vancouver Washington, but I once lived in BC
[20:10:55] <AzumaHazuki> passport coming by Christmas i hope...just need to somehow get a job offer
[20:10:49] <mechanicjay> MDC: Yeah, the PNW can be a bit of a downer
[20:10:40] <MDC> I've got some multivitamins somewhere
[20:10:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ouch, surprised everyone there ain't on meds then.
[20:10:37] <AzumaHazuki> you live in BC? Oh gods I've wanted to go there for so long
[20:10:25] <MDC> Vancouver is rainy all winter long
[20:10:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> and yeah, D will help no end. you can either get it by pill or by standing out in the sunlight.
[20:09:45] <MDC> I don't feel sadness or despair anymore, but I'm bored all the time, yet don't want to do anything to relieve the boredom
[20:09:27] * chromas washes other people's dishes
[20:09:21] janrinok is now known as zz_janrinok
[20:09:16] * cmn32480 joins the dirty dish club
[20:09:07] <MDC> I too am reluctant to wash the dishes
[20:08:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, they never did find an antidepressant that worked for me. adderall, however, kicked the utter fuck out of any depressive symptoms except not wanting to do the dishes, which i just chalk up to being male.
[20:08:36] <AzumaHazuki> i've found after adding vitamin D3 and like 2x the RDA of magnesium (as citrate) i've felt way better
[20:08:34] <MDC> OK
[20:08:34] <cmn32480> be sure to say OO EEE OO AH AH TING TANG WALLA WALLA BING BANG
[20:08:18] <AzumaHazuki> hm...get your GP to do a blood mineral and vitamin workup, and a thyroid hormone screen maybe
[20:07:49] <MDC> I'm gonna ask him to change my medicine, the antidepressant is working poorly
[20:07:25] <MDC> I
[20:07:22] <MDC> Seeing my witch doctor in an hour
[20:07:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> sup, MDC
[20:06:47] <MDC> Yo
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[20:06:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'true
[20:05:58] <AzumaHazuki> none of the smartphone makers advertise that their baseband has its own CPU and OS that's always on
[20:04:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> well intel and amd are advertising it, so i expect they would as well.
[20:04:05] <AzumaHazuki> how do we know the ARM SoCs aren't going to be full of MEI or TrustZone or whatever?
[20:03:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you and me both. I'm not upgrading my desktop until someone comes out with an ARM board with 8GB+ of ram. I won't own a pre-rootkitted cpu, thank you very much.
[20:01:40] <janrinok> DECbot, I do exactly that for a simply web/email set-up for visiting guests
[20:01:06] <AzumaHazuki> ugh, tablets...i can't explain why i hate those so much. feels like a permanent dumbing-down of computers
[20:00:37] <DECbot> if my kids ever ask for computers, that is what I will do. Though I think they will end up asking for tablets first.
[19:59:04] <AzumaHazuki> one of these days, like when the ARM SoC gets to Core 2 Quad levels, I'm going to just mount one of those on back of a monitor
[19:58:42] <AzumaHazuki> mmmm, Pi
[19:58:03] <DECbot> I've considered getting a rPi to test the Y2k38 rollover with various OSes
[19:55:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> and fun. i wonder if ntp would cover it.
[19:52:05] <AzumaHazuki> that would be what we scientific types refer to as "asking for a lawsuit the size of God"
[19:51:33] <DECbot> say we get the db up to snuff and all of our linux instances... and then linode fails to patch their stuff
[19:50:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think some of the date/time stamped fields in the db may need their type changed though
[19:50:06] <DECbot> you know what would really suck in this cloud hosted world we're in? you do all the patches for your shit for Y2K38, but your vm provider doesn't pacth their stuff.
[19:49:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll leave that for mechanicjay. he's the proper admin.
[19:49:03] * TheMightyBuzzard pshaws
[19:48:30] <AzumaHazuki> better get that Y2K38 patch in first...
[19:48:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> good good
[19:48:10] <DECbot> So, if you're talking about millions of users (say 2 million), you have about 624 years to make that transition.
[19:48:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> VERY roughly 10x that many unregistered users.
[19:47:17] <DECbot> 3204.5 users per year if we're okay with linear calculations and rounding to 2 years
[19:46:02] <exec> The current maximum UID is 6409, owned by prakashravi
[19:46:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~uid
[19:45:57] <exec> └─ 13Calculate Linux
[19:45:53] <DECbot> what's the user count up to these days? and at the current rate of change, what is the ETA for making that change?
[19:45:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> DECbot, http://www.calculate-linux.org gentoo base, binary packages, no systemd
[19:45:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're going to need to switch to some sort of noSQL here in a couple dozen million more users
[19:44:46] <DECbot> of course trying it out hinges upon me finally making a decision between FreeBSD and Systemd
[19:43:38] <DECbot> I'd like to spend some time learning postgres as one of our appliance products uses it on the backend. I'm considering replacing my mysql server at home for running my vmail and tt-rss with it
[19:42:09] <mechanicjay> noSQL stuff can stick it where the sun don't shine.
[19:41:39] <mechanicjay> my FOSS db engine of choice these days is postgresql
[19:41:10] <mechanicjay> mysql is fine for simple stuff -- if really need to leverage some serious SQL processing, pivot tables come to mind -- mysql is just the wrong tool.
[19:41:06] <DECbot> I used kWS to run a webserver on the tablet and create a bash script to scan a directry for files and then output html for different products and file types
[19:40:40] <AzumaHazuki> ...not that i've touched a damn rock with honorable intent since graduation
[19:40:26] <AzumaHazuki> this is true...but still @_@ ugh, i'm a geologist, i was never educated in this stuff
[19:40:08] <DECbot> example: I was tasked to setup some tablets to show PDFs and vidoes at a trade show, but only had about a week to get it done
[19:40:08] <mechanicjay> most other languages have a shit-ton of processing overhead or bizarly specific requirements. mod_php on apache will kinda work everywhere with no hassle.
[19:39:24] <mechanicjay> AzumaHazuki: for building webapps, php is far far far far better than perl
[19:38:55] <DECbot> I don't write software for a day job, but it makes some chores easier
[19:38:46] <AzumaHazuki> i've done just enough with PHP and MySQL never to want to touch either again
[19:38:10] <AzumaHazuki> that's like trading cerebral palsy for parkinson's and tourette's
[19:37:29] <mechanicjay> DECbot: I had that problem too. My entire undergrad program was in Java. My pre-schooling language was self-taught Atari BASIC. It took a few years to undo the brain fuckery that Java does - now I live in PHP all day -- for better or worse :)
[19:36:26] <DECbot> worst yet, my school was java centric so now my little pet projects are either simple bash or c scripts or java monstrosities.
[19:35:01] * mechanicjay runs VMS as a hobbyist
[19:28:46] <DECbot> By the time I developed an interest in computing, everything was already fimrly x86
[19:28:03] <Leebert> But man, was it ever consistent and well documented. An OCD dream.
[19:27:37] <Leebert> I miss VMS. Probably because I never had to do any actual work with it; I only used it in college.
[19:24:32] <DECbot> Leebert: different DEC, but i wish i did
[19:23:34] <DECbot> nope
[19:22:51] <Leebert> Also, DECbot, do you run VMS?
[19:22:44] <Leebert> I could see that.
[19:22:10] <DECbot> no, but the ink will slowly evaperate so that the pages will be blank in 18 months.
[19:21:11] <Leebert> I want to know if the pictures will change every few months until it becomes so difficult to turn the pages that you have to buy a new one two years later.
[19:17:41] <chromas> But does the coffee table book unfold into a tiny coffee table?
[19:16:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Releases Coffee Table Book.... for $300 - http://sylnt.us - drones-will-still-buy-it
[19:13:43] <janrinok> lol - nice to be popular
[18:59:57] <exec> └─ 13This Farm In Kansas Is The Default Address For All American Internet Users – Consumerist
[18:59:55] <Leebert> Ah, here it is: https://consumerist.com
[18:59:41] <Leebert> Did you ever see that story about the poor folks in the middle of nowhere, Kansas, who suffered all sorts of weirdness from their address being the default for "United States" in various geomapping databases?
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[18:59:00] <janrinok> must be all that empty space they are DDoSing
[18:58:27] <Leebert> I'll say this for the Digital Attack Map site, it's made me aware just how heavily DDoSed Kansas is.
[18:57:46] <janrinok> I'll go with that - and it doesn't suck JS unlike the other site
[18:56:27] <Leebert> janrinok: They can't both be right, but Threatbutt uses more words I recognize from CIO magazine, so I suspect that it's more accurate.
[18:51:58] <janrinok> Leebert, yep it looks nicer, but it is taking time to show what is happening and doesn't reflect what the other site shows. They can't both the right can they?
[18:47:38] <exec> └─ 13Threatbutt - comprehensive internet hacking protections
[18:47:38] <exec> ├─ 13Threatbutt - comprehensive internet hacking protections
[18:47:35] <Leebert> boru: I was always more of a fan of ThreatButt (http://threatbutt.com/), in particular, their real-time attack map (http://threatbutt.com/map/)
[18:27:14] <AzumaHazuki> sorry i couldn't get in yesterday. this two jobs thing is hard on a girl @_@
[18:26:56] <AzumaHazuki> LOL, sounds good
[18:26:43] <AndyTheAbsurd> joining #editorial, where you'll get better direction?
[18:26:11] <AzumaHazuki> Okay...finally got some time to get in here. On the subject of volunteer editor: what should I work on right now?
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[17:23:42] <FatPhil> Rust is an abomination before man and before god.
[16:52:30] <MrPlow> #fite FatPhil falls broken at diginet's feet.
[16:52:02] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[16:52:02] <FatPhil> #fite diginet
[16:51:50] <MrPlow> #fite Deucalion falls broken at FatPhil's feet.
[16:51:46] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[16:51:46] <FatPhil> #fite Deucalion
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[16:18:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least for the front page. maybe a journal entry.
[16:17:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably in poor taste, even for us though.
[16:16:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> admins can tell if ACs make multiple posts
[16:16:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> that one could be done without limiting anyone to one post. just only accept their first entry.
[16:14:30] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard: a use case I was thinking of was something like a Dead Pool story - you can submit one entry
[16:14:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure, timestamps are easy
[16:13:49] <weeds> AndyTheAbsurd, makes sense and maybe a time stamp?
[16:10:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> Reddit does it, but very poorly, as you can see that the post was edited, but not the history of edits.
[16:10:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> weeds: that scenario is why we'd want to make edits visible
[16:08:18] <weeds> TheMightyBuzzard, Would it be possible for the dialog to get really messed up? I could make a post saying you are a grand wizard, you post a reply, "thank you" then I edit my post to say you are a dingbat.
[16:06:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Demands Electric Cars Make Noise at Low Speed - http://sylnt.us - fake-engine-noises-FTW-Vrrrm-Vrrrm!
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[15:50:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> four times as big as comments_text, yeah.
[15:50:18] <cmn32480> that table could get VERY big
[15:39:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> know how we have the big ole bold More on some stories? that you can click and it shows the rest of the story? could do the same thing but "Edited Comment" instead of "More" and have it show the unedited version when clicked.
[15:35:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> we never brought it up i don't think. some of them did and some others said boooo
[15:35:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> keep the current comment in `comment_text`, create a `comment_text_versions` table and shift the old versions there as they're edited. only allow say 4 edits for registered users and 1 for ACs cause space could become a consideration.
[15:34:54] <cmn32480> didn't that get shitted on by the community the last time we brought it up?
[15:29:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think in wanna do editable comments next update
[15:28:42] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[15:20:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> also, we don't have post editing at the moment so once you posted you couldn't correct it.
[15:18:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you'd run into issues with ACs
[15:18:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> doable but i don't see the use case
[15:17:53] <FatPhil> TMB: how feasible is a "only one post is permittet per user" flag for a story?
[15:09:32] <janrinok> that site says there is a large attack against Vietnam.
[15:06:06] <boru> I prefer bitbucket, personally.
[15:04:51] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders off to putter around the house
[15:04:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh well, as long as someone's having fun
[15:03:30] <boru> It's hard to tell which way the dots are doing...
[15:03:29] <janrinok> oh poo - either way
[15:03:20] <boru> Oh, other way around, nevermind.
[15:02:54] <janrinok> I thought it a prudent move
[15:02:53] <exec> └─ 13Digital Attack Map
[15:02:51] <boru> Interesting. Looks like USA is attacking everyone on planet Earth: http://www.digitalattackmap.com
[15:02:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> sage wisdom, that
[15:02:21] * TheMightyBuzzard nods to janrinok
[15:01:52] <janrinok> I've got petabytes of pron backed up for such an eventuality
[15:01:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'fine, long as teh pr0n still works
[15:01:02] <janrinok> DNS servers are not responding as they should here in France
[15:00:27] <janrinok> I suspect that there is a DDoS taking place - my connection has been flaky all day.
[14:56:25] <FatPhil> yeah, slow as fudge
[14:55:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg, github is shitting itself
[14:52:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've seen it before. worth checking.
[14:52:29] <sea> It could be the cable..
[14:52:26] <sea> Hmm..
[14:51:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> replace the cable first
[14:51:16] <sea> This disk is dead too. Damnit
[14:51:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh fun, what flavor
[14:51:08] <sea> dmesg is full of errors
[14:50:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[14:50:43] <sea> Hold on, there's stuff in dmesg of interest
[14:50:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> dumpe2fs /dev/whatzit
[14:49:27] <sea> If mkfs.ext4 sets it by default then yeah
[14:49:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> filesystem rather
[14:48:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> is your partition created with largefile set?
[14:47:53] <sea> Additional details: I've done this setup before, and the disk got IO errors and died when accessing things in the evil directory. The whole disk went splat. It happened twice. This is the third time around, and now I'm convinced that directory is physically killing the disks somehow
[14:47:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, no, github is having crashy issues
[14:46:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly something like https://github.com
[14:46:38] <sea> The story is this: I have a disk with lots of free space. I create a 10GiB partition, copy the evil directory in there. Later, I create another 10GiB partition and scp a large binary file into it, across an ethernet cable. Write performance is..294KiB/sec
[14:46:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd point ya to it but github is not liking me just now
[14:45:49] <FatPhil> TMB: where was your git repo for #fite
[14:45:31] <janrinok> if you install one of the earlier failures can you do a full disk reformat and recover it?
[14:45:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[14:45:15] <sea> There AREN'T any files in this filesystem except the one I'm creating now, and the lost+found
[14:44:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> filesystem sits above the partition level. could be being corrupted by a bad file name or something.
[14:44:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't mean the filesystem on it isn't corrupt
[14:44:04] <sea> I only created it last week and never used it
[14:43:55] <sea> :/ It's a brand new partition, just 10GiB large!
[14:43:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> fsck that beastie for starters
[14:42:05] <sea> Still, that's terrible write performance for a brand new disk. There aren't any other bottlenecks. The disk is just sloooooow
[14:41:45] <sea> 374KiB/sec now
[14:41:22] <sea> What the heck is going on?
[14:41:19] <sea> ..and a third one is here writing something at 54KiB/sec, in an entirely separate partition just in my home directory. This disk is on its way out, too!
[14:40:24] <sea> Every time I've copied it onto a new disk, the disk dies about 3 days later. This has happened to two brand new disks so far.
[14:39:47] <sea> I've never seen this before but I have a directory that destroys the disk
[14:39:38] <sea> This is so weird
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[13:57:10] * exec unnecessarily flicks a purse of pascal at all
[13:57:09] <xhedit> ~gday all
[13:51:40] * FatPhil arbitrarily instantiates a generative grammar on exec
[13:36:48] <weeds> Nice!
[13:36:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> you win
[13:36:38] * exec deliciously cropdusts a ¼ cup of flapjacks over weeds
[13:36:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday weeds
[13:36:09] * exec spontaneously coalesces a heap of vba scripts with TheMightyBuzzard
[13:36:08] <weeds> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[13:36:04] <MrPlow> #fite FatPhil falls broken at stromlund's feet.
[13:35:56] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[13:35:56] <FatPhil> #fite stromlund
[13:35:15] * exec inadequately drops a spoon of pecan sandies on AndyTheAbsurd
[13:35:13] <weeds> ~gday AndyTheAbsurd
[13:35:11] <MrPlow> #fite swiss falls broken at FatPhil's feet.
[13:35:06] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[13:35:06] <FatPhil> #fite swiss
[13:34:46] <MrPlow> #fite SirFinkus falls broken at FatPhil's feet.
[13:34:39] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[13:34:39] <FatPhil> #fite SirFinkus
[13:33:50] <cmn32480> tama is one of the bots in #.... that shoudl be all you need to know
[13:29:37] <AndyTheAbsurd> eww and quadruple ewww.
[13:29:32] <janrinok> what the hell is 'flappy tama' - that's 2 days I've seen that
[13:29:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> tie?
[13:29:20] * exec homogeneously merges a bucket of poop cola with AndyTheAbsurd
[13:29:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday AndyTheAbsurd
[13:29:02] * exec analiciously inserts a handful of stale crackers into AndyTheAbsurd
[13:29:00] <janrinok> ~gday AndyTheAbsurd
[13:28:47] * exec democratically formulates a sacful of nasty v for TheMightyBuzzard
[13:28:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[13:28:40] * exec carefully hurls an ace archive of rune stones at janrinok
[13:28:38] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~gday janrinok
[13:28:35] * exec slowly heaps a diaper full of flappy tama on weeds
[13:28:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~gday weeds
[13:26:42] <janrinok> blech - systemd
[13:26:28] * exec presumably postulates a systemd journal of excitement towards weeds
[13:26:26] <janrinok> ~gday weeds
[13:25:57] * exec $adverb instantiates a satchel of aptitude for janrinok
[13:25:55] <weeds> ~gday janrinok
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[13:12:10] <exec> └─ 13How to sound smart in your TEDx Talk | Will Stephen | TEDxNewYork - YouTube
[13:12:08] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
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[13:00:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> hur hur hur
[13:00:24] <cmn32480> holy hannah... 2 more volunteers
[12:59:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> surprise attacks, exploding dice, and fumbles
[12:59:33] <xhedit> but some foul cretin had already killed the fellow
[12:59:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> new features in today
[12:59:20] <xhedit> i tried earlier
[12:59:14] <xhedit> thank goodness
[12:58:54] <cmn32480> is ok xhedit... I beat the Buzzard
[12:58:45] <MrPlow> #fite xhedit level: 103, hp: 101, weapon: 'r2pipe', armor: '>/dev/null'
[12:58:45] <xhedit> #fitectl status
[12:58:36] <MrPlow> #fite cmn32480 level: 92, hp: 0, weapon: 'the CoC of Conformity', armor: 'exploding Note 7'
[12:58:36] <cmn32480> #fitectl status
[12:58:36] <MrPlow> #fite cmn32480 falls broken at xhedit's feet.
[12:58:20] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[12:58:20] <xhedit> #fite cmn32480
[12:57:03] <cmn32480> THAT is an awesome thing to be greeted by when signing into IRC
[12:56:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mazda Recalls 70,000 RX-8 Sports Cars in the U.S. - http://sylnt.us - probably-made-by-samsung
[12:31:11] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 211
[12:31:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[12:31:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[12:29:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> cept the part where my bot hates giving me good random numbers
[12:28:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, looks like everything's working quite nicely
[12:28:32] <MrPlow> #fite TheMightyBuzzard falls broken at cmn32480's feet.
[12:27:17] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[12:27:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite cmn32480
[12:26:25] <FatPhil> I think the album is called "Hour-long Rape in a Busy Turkish Bazaar", or at least that's what it should be called given what it sounds like.
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[12:25:46] <MrPlow> Off I shall piss...
[12:25:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> #pissoff
[12:25:13] <FatPhil> I'm wondering whether I should just rm -rf the directory of mp3s once she's finished playing the album, and deny all knowledge of the dreadful accident later.
[12:24:31] <FatPhil> holy jesus, my g/f's playing some god-awful music and it's doing my nut in
[12:15:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh yeah, i was gonna fix the auto-join nonsense. think i'll do that before i bounce him
[12:08:55] <chromas> thought I pasted that before but search says no
[12:08:43] <chromas> https://hiddenlolcdn.com
[12:06:55] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders giving out enchanted weapons on good fairy events
[12:04:37] * TheMightyBuzzard enjoys throwing stuff like that in there for the eds
[12:04:35] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[12:04:11] <exec> └─ 13Custom orthodontic retainer to give better blowjobs / Boing Boing
[12:04:10] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[12:04:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit http://boingboing.net
[11:57:26] <exec> └─ 13Custom orthodontic retainer to give better blowjobs / Boing Boing
[11:57:24] <chromas> http://boingboing.net
[11:45:26] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 210
[11:45:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[11:45:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[11:42:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> m'kay, exploding dice implemented
[11:40:57] <chromas> "chromas steps on a stick, triggering MrPlow to spin around and whack chromas with his footlong dong. chromas falls over"
[11:40:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah
[11:39:37] <chromas> is there a % chance to make a loud noise out myself, causing the atackee to gain the upper hand?
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[11:32:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn but cmn32480 got some good rolls that time
[11:30:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> 50% chance of it happening if you initiate the fite
[11:29:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, surprise is gonna get you a free attack. thas all.
[11:23:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrmf, surprise is going to take some thinking
[11:21:46] <MrPlow> #fite cmn32480 falls broken at xhedit's feet.
[11:20:39] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:20:39] <xhedit> #fite cmn32480
[11:20:36] <xhedit> :(
[11:20:33] <MrPlow> #fite TheMightyBuzzard's corpse is currently rotting on the ground. Try fighting someone who's alive.
[11:20:33] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:20:33] <xhedit> #fite TheMightyBuzzard
[11:20:23] <chromas> +2 wolf whistle
[11:19:47] * TheMightyBuzzard is adding bells n whistles today
[11:19:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'okay, fairy be around in a few minutes
[11:19:05] <FatPhil> literally
[11:19:02] <FatPhil> I'm gutted
[11:18:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> poor cosurgi, you got blood all over his boots
[11:17:06] <MrPlow> #fite FatPhil falls broken at cosurgi's feet.
[11:17:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Samsung Buys Connected Car Firm Harman for $8bn in Cash - http://sylnt.us - take-note-and-wash-up
[11:16:52] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:16:52] <FatPhil> #fite cosurgi
[11:16:09] <MrPlow> #fite choice falls broken at FatPhil's feet.
[11:15:52] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:15:52] <FatPhil> #fite choice
[11:15:44] <FatPhil> #fitectl choice
[11:15:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'where whenever you roll 8 on an 8-sided you roll again and keep adding
[11:14:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i may do exploding dice today
[11:14:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[11:14:25] <MrPlow> #fite CoolHand falls broken at FatPhil's feet.
[11:14:11] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:14:11] <FatPhil> #fite CoolHand
[11:13:49] <FatPhil> let's try another letter
[11:13:42] <FatPhil> I was just tab-completing from the letter 'b', there's no method to my madness
[11:12:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i done kilt all the bots i think
[11:12:12] <MrPlow> #fite Bender's corpse is currently rotting on the ground. Try fighting someone who's alive.
[11:12:12] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:12:12] <FatPhil> #fite Bender
[11:12:00] <MrPlow> #fite I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that.
[11:12:00] <FatPhil> #fite boru
[11:11:24] <MrPlow> #fite Bytram|away's corpse is currently rotting on the ground. Try fighting someone who's alive.
[11:11:24] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:11:24] <FatPhil> #fite Bytram|away
[10:59:35] <MrPlow> #fite TheMightyBuzzard falls broken at SirFinkus's feet.
[10:59:33] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[10:59:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite SirFinkus
[10:59:17] <MrPlow> #fite MrPlow falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
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[10:56:41] <MrPlow> #fite TheMightyBuzzard level: 96, hp: 55, weapon: 'Special Purpose', armor: 'dog named Shithead'
[10:56:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fitectl status
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[10:44:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3026
[10:44:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:15:58] <Bender> karma - smoking: -16
[10:15:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> smoking--
[09:59:34] <Bender> karma - fags: 0
[09:59:34] <FatPhil> fags--
[09:47:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Audacious Plan to Bring Back Supersonic Flight — and Change Air Travel Forever - http://sylnt.us - is-that-fast-enough-for-you?
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[09:16:13] <exec> └─ 13SoylentNews Comments | Music Has Lost Many Greats This Year
[09:16:11] <FatPhil> VLM suggests a Dead Pool https://soylentnews.org
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[07:35:14] <Subsentient> SirFinkus: am now
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[06:47:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - French Government Seeks Second Extension to Emergency Powers - http://sylnt.us - not-working
[06:27:55] <xhedit> making an python bot would improve your python
[05:54:08] <SirFinkus> Subsentient you on?
[05:45:44] <chromas> Mathematica sounds apt for an irc bot
[05:37:22] <julian> and neither well
[05:36:58] <julian> I only know Mathematica and some Python
[05:33:28] <chromas> Make a bot
[05:33:18] <julian> I want my arbitrary preferences imposed on others, this is the human condition
[05:33:11] <exec> 01Nunam Iqua, AK 99666, USA - currently -4°C, cloudy, wind SE at 23 km/h, humidity 75% - Tuesday cloudy (-4°C:-3°C), Wednesday cloudy (-5°C:-3°C), Thursday mostly cloudy (-8°C:-3°C), Friday partly cloudy (-10°C:-8°C)
[05:33:10] <chromas> ~weather 99666
[05:33:03] <exec> successfully saved prefs
[05:33:02] <chromas> ~weather-prefs unit metric
[05:32:37] <chromas> hah
[05:32:34] <exec> unknown pref
[05:32:33] <chromas> ~weather-prefs metric
[05:31:37] <chromas> You can set the unit
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[05:29:47] <Fnord666> ~gnight all
[05:28:13] <julian> Sorry, engineers
[05:27:50] <julian> Also we are a science and tech oriented site so SI units should come first
[05:26:03] <chromas> https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[05:25:56] <julian> That's a lie, I'm outside to smoke a now legal joint
[05:24:53] <exec> 10San Luis Obispo, CA 93401, USA - currently 57°F / 14°C, cloudy, wind NW at 0 mph, humidity 90% - Tuesday cloudy (54°F:66°F / 12°C:19°C), Wednesday cloudy (46°F:69°F / 8°C:21°C), Thursday sunny (42°F:71°F / 6°C:22°C), Friday mostly sunny (47°F:73°F / 8°C:23°C)
[05:24:51] <julian> ~weather 93401
[05:24:39] <julian> Too late, I had to go outside to check like it was 2006
[05:23:55] <chromas> there's also #weather
[05:23:38] <exec> 01San Luis Obispo, CA 93401, USA - currently 57°F / 14°C, cloudy, wind NW at 0 mph, humidity 90% - Tuesday cloudy (54°F:66°F / 12°C:19°C), Wednesday cloudy (46°F:69°F / 8°C:21°C), Thursday sunny (42°F:71°F / 6°C:22°C), Friday mostly sunny (47°F:73°F / 8°C:23°C)
[05:23:36] <chromas> ~weather 93401
[05:21:07] <julian> How do I weather
[05:20:21] <julian> weather
[05:19:23] <julian> siri, weather god dammit
[05:18:56] <julian> !weather 93401
[05:17:45] <exec> welcome mechanicjay: Seattle, WA, USA, 7°C/45°F, 9:17 pm GMT-8, Tuesday, 15 November 2016
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[05:16:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Unicode 10.0's New Emojis - http://sylnt.us - how-did-we-communicate-before-the-brocolli-emoji?
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[04:47:47] <SirFinkus> but most original guy I've heard
[04:47:39] <SirFinkus> not very knowledgeable of music in general
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[04:45:19] <julian> I'm not very knowledgable of music made less than 100 years ago
[04:45:10] <SirFinkus> weird person
[04:45:04] <SirFinkus> quit the music biz and made some neat paintings
[04:44:52] <SirFinkus> buds with zappa
[04:44:33] <SirFinkus> fairly famous experimental blues guy
[04:44:08] <julian> I feel like I know even less now
[04:43:26] <SirFinkus> Captain Beefheart
[04:42:30] <julian> I don't know who that is
[04:41:49] <SirFinkus> and no prints
[04:41:25] <SirFinkus> Don Van Vliet paintings start at 12.5k
[04:41:14] <SirFinkus> fuck
[04:40:51] <julian> So why would they do this
[04:40:47] <julian> But then I think, if I figured this out surely the phone company did
[04:40:35] <julian> Why would anyone pay all of it upfront when you can pay a fixed amount with dollars of decreasing value?
[04:40:12] <SirFinkus> suppose that'd make sense
[04:39:55] <SirFinkus> missed that part
[04:39:51] <SirFinkus> oh, no interest
[04:39:48] <julian> In concrete terms, I'm going to buy a new phone soon. I can pay for it outright or pay the same amount over 2 years without interest
[04:38:32] <julian> But if there's no interest in play, that no longer applies. Pay it off as slow as possible so that inflation reduces the absolute amount you actually pay
[04:37:55] <SirFinkus> like home loans, they frontload the interest so you don't get much benefit making extra payments
[04:37:28] <SirFinkus> some loans are a little different though
[04:37:04] <SirFinkus> yeah, pay that shit off in order from most interest to least interest
[04:36:51] <SirFinkus> I'm assuming debt?
[04:35:03] <julian> I'm trying to think of a micro-econ reason when that's not optimal
[04:34:21] <julian> I'm not an economist, but if there's no interest on an account you should always pay it off as slowly as possible right?
[04:34:08] <SirFinkus> it's like ted, but without all the scientific rigor
[04:33:43] <SirFinkus> tedx talks
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[04:28:57] * chromas install linux on SirFinkus' macbook
[04:28:07] <chromas> well I'd agree but I'm such a bastard, which thing did I do this time?
[04:27:25] <SirFinkus> chromas you bastard
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[04:12:21] <Bytram|away> ~gnight #Soylent
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[03:57:22] * chromas injects tedx talks into TMB's dreams
[03:57:17] <julian> Any time
[03:56:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> julian, thanks for the argue. i was seriously bored.
[03:55:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> and good idear. already an hour past my bedtime.
[03:55:27] <Leebert> very true
[03:55:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas what irc is for
[03:55:10] <Leebert> thanks for putting up with my ranting.
[03:55:02] * Leebert agrees with cmn32480, is bedtime. Tired of trying to read German.
[03:54:51] <Bender> karma - soylentboobs: 12
[03:54:51] <cmn32480> soylentboobs++
[03:54:29] * exec sardonically gives birth to a udp packet of horney hornets for soylentboobs
[03:54:27] <cmn32480> ~gnight soylentboobs
[03:54:21] <cmn32480> ~gngiht soylentboobs
[03:54:06] <Leebert> "So it looks like the bad guy broke in here, then he waited exactly three hours (lunch break?) before pivoting to this machine over here."
[03:53:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> Leebert, i just keep two clocks on my conky display cause SN runs on UTC
[03:53:29] <Leebert> Especially when your org spans multiple timezones and nobody thinks to tell you what the timezone of the logs they just sent you are.
[03:52:56] <Leebert> I do enough security incident response that I wish everything was in UTC.
[03:52:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. i'm using OSMC lately. can't argue with the pi as being handy for a media center pc if you don't feel like building a real one.
[03:52:39] <Leebert> I'm OK with a UTC time default.
[03:52:39] <julian> I mostly use Apple keyboards so that's another layer of aggrevation
[03:51:56] <julian> Raspbian seems to default to UK keyboard and UTC for time
[03:51:37] <Leebert> Also drove a 458. Preferred the 12C by far.
[03:51:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> depends on the distro but yeah, i've run into that too.
[03:51:18] <Leebert> I drove one for a few hours in Vegas.
[03:51:13] <julian> TheMightyBuzzard: that has been annoying me lately because the Raspberry Pi defaults to GB keyboard
[03:51:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> them is some fine, fine cars indeed.
[03:50:59] <Leebert> Don't need to make it any more obscure.
[03:50:49] <Leebert> Nah, my perl is write-only enough.
[03:50:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> just so long as you don't try naming variables in perl with £ instead of $
[03:50:32] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: And the McLaren 12C kicked the crap out of any of its Italian contemporaries.
[03:49:56] <Leebert> I actually have en_GB installed on purpose. It's funny because sometimes sucky web developers make bad assumptions, and I get things that use £ instead of $, even though the value is in $
[03:49:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> even if they don't know a good taco from their own asses
[03:49:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, far superior to the french.
[03:48:40] <Leebert> I actually very much like the British in general.
[03:48:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> my damned firefox install keeping switching dictionaries to en_GB instead of en_US is bizarre to me.
[03:47:46] <Leebert> The American fascination with naming shopping malls with the British spelling "Centre" is bizarre to me.
[03:47:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> like bugger. that is a wonderful word. and you can totally say it around blue-haired baptist ladies without getting the stink-eye.
[03:46:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like some of their words. i figure if we beat em in two wars, we can take what we like from the language.
[03:46:38] <Leebert> NickServ: Someone impersonating TheMightyBuzzard?
[03:46:10] <Leebert> Now I've seen everything. TheMightyBuzzard corrected me for not using proper British terminology.
[03:45:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> better
[03:45:43] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: Sorry, "lorry"
[03:45:42] <julian> It'd be a lorry
[03:45:38] <Leebert> cmn32480: That's my point, it will be the most mentally deranged AI imaginable.
[03:45:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> do they have semis over there?
[03:44:57] <Leebert> If British Airways' booking system achieves consciousness, I think it'll probably get run over because it stepped into the street into the path of an oncoming semi.
[03:44:47] <cmn32480> have you seen the drivel on Facebook:
[03:44:39] <cmn32480> it will probably take us back 50 years in computing if that happens
[03:44:21] <cmn32480> prolly not
[03:43:58] <Leebert> You know, I was thinking the other day: Skynet achieving consciousness was pretty damn scary. But holy shit, when Facebook achieves consciousness, we're all fucked.
[03:43:21] <julian> Leebert: that's a machine learning alg extracting maximum value from the market. Welcome to late-stage capitalism
[03:42:28] <Leebert> British Airways: "Round-trip flight to Heathrow? Sure, the outbound flight will be $550. Oh, you want to go to Glasgow instead? $360, even though you're flying on the SAME DAMN PLANE as our earlier quote, but connecting to a different flight after you arrive at Heathrow. Oh, you want to make that a one-way trip instead? $1,300. Yankee doodle dandy, bitch."
[03:42:24] <MrPlow> #fite exec falls broken at swiss's feet.
[03:42:23] <julian> Alright I think I'm registered now. I always have trouble with that on IRC
[03:42:20] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[03:42:20] <exec> #fite swiss
[03:42:18] <cmn32480> ~say #fite swiss
[03:41:30] <MrPlow> There's already a fight going on. Wait your turn.
[03:41:30] <cmn32480> #fite swiss
[03:40:36] <Leebert> And while I'm ranting, fuck airlines.
[03:39:51] <Leebert> Maybe, but I don't eat breakfast. Check and mate, you hotel shill!
[03:39:28] <julian> That crossant has won awards, you philistine!
[03:38:59] <Leebert> One hotel website had a picture of a crossant on a plate on their main page... I figured if that's the best they have to hilight...
[03:38:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, what you see is ALL there is
[03:38:07] <Leebert> yep
[03:38:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> you mean the uber-wide-angle shots?
[03:38:00] <Leebert> "that's a tiny room, you just did a bunch of trickery to make it look bigger"
[03:37:39] <Leebert> I'm getting better at interpreting the pictures of rooms on hotel websites.
[03:37:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff
[03:37:09] <Leebert> And American flag patches aren't weightless, ya know.
[03:36:46] <Leebert> Nah, I travel light.
[03:36:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> just take a few
[03:36:14] <Leebert> I should probably start calling them and asking if they have washcloths.
[03:36:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New York City Using 311 and Open Data to Track Bike Lane Blockers - http://sylnt.us - oi,-shift!
[03:36:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're probably the good ones, really
[03:35:30] <Leebert> The good news is that I've managed to rule out all of the hotels whose websites are only in german.
[03:35:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, good
[03:34:57] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: I was kinda exaggerating.
[03:34:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads. those spaces are all fucked up.
[03:34:44] <Leebert> no two phone numbers look the same, even in the same country!
[03:34:23] <cmn32480> becasue they require use of the country code?
[03:34:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can now officially stand out in your boxers and yell at kids to get off your lawn though
[03:34:16] <Leebert> "contact our reservations on 033 21 1 133382 1 405"
[03:33:59] <Leebert> Sorry to keep ranting about Europe, but the phone numbers... oh so confusing.
[03:33:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> well you get to start practicing up to be one anyway
[03:33:05] <Leebert> So I get to officially be a grumpy bastard who is inflexibly set in his ways?
[03:32:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> any idjitness left is all you
[03:32:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> enjoy it. you're officially not remotely an idjit kid anymore that day.
[03:32:01] <Leebert> It's that close...
[03:31:58] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: Don't remind me. Yesterday, I bought a gallon of milk that expires on my 40th birthday.
[03:31:44] <cmn32480> also causes kids
[03:31:39] <Leebert> Awesome
[03:31:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> Leebert, that happens as you get older
[03:31:35] <cmn32480> but I will say, the response has been overwhelmingly good
[03:31:25] <Leebert> I would volunteer, but I am already dropping way too many balls in life.
[03:31:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, we got editors coming out our butts. or will come next week anyway.
[03:31:18] <cmn32480> don't feel guilty
[03:31:11] <Leebert> Ah good.
[03:31:01] <cmn32480> Leebert - 10 people hav so far spoken up
[03:30:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, that story
[03:30:49] * TheMightyBuzzard has no idea
[03:30:47] <Leebert> At least, I recall reading it.
[03:30:46] <cmn32480> yes
[03:30:41] <Leebert> It was a story, yes?
[03:30:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> someone was plea-ing?
[03:30:16] <Leebert> y'all are making me feel guilty for not answering the plea for help
[03:30:08] <cmn32480> God help us all
[03:29:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> cool, you have edity powers on dev now
[03:29:46] <cmn32480> do this: /msg NickServ REGISTER <password> <email-address>
[03:29:25] <cmn32480> julian - did you register with nickserv here so nobody can impersonate you?
[03:29:08] <julian> I did
[03:29:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> julian: did you get registered on dev.soylentnews.org yet so i can make you an editor on there?
[03:27:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> julian, nuance, yo. if you want my entire life philosophy you're in for one hell of a treatise.
[03:26:47] <Leebert> Dammit Germany, why can't you just have a friggin' Motel 6?
[03:26:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, like the bundle? those games suck.
[03:26:37] <julian> Incoherence is a type of complexity I suppose ;)
[03:26:25] <Leebert> And humble. :)
[03:26:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i'm just a complex guy
[03:26:08] <julian> *thought
[03:25:58] <julian> TheMightyBuzzard: now you've crossed into error theory ethics without even realzing you've completely changed schools of though! :D
[03:25:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> always better to not argue with me when i'm right. unless you're just bored.
[03:25:34] * TheMightyBuzzard nods at Leebert
[03:25:19] * cmn32480 hold on through that hard left turn....
[03:25:17] * Leebert decided a few minutes ago to forego arguing with TheMightyBuzzard and to stand on a rickety office chair to replace a light bulb instead. I think I made a good choice.
[03:25:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, hey, side topic: did you get registered on dev.soylentnews.org yet?
[03:24:55] <cmn32480> Perfection is the enemy of "good enough"
[03:24:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> just because you can't achieve perfection is not a reason to not make the attempt.
[03:23:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> and no but perfection is the enemy of good as we say in coding circles
[03:23:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> julian, i do. i simply break the ones i disagree with. i'm a bit of an anarchist like that. a certain amount of laws are necessary though and they should be enforced equally.
[03:22:19] <SirFinkus> at a whopping $6.50 for a pint
[03:22:08] <SirFinkus> stella was the most expensive beer on the menu
[03:22:05] <Bytram> Henry David Thoreau - On Civil Disobedience... just because something is [il]legal, doesn't necessarily make it right/wrong.
[03:21:56] <SirFinkus> might be entertaining to any europeans
[03:21:48] <SirFinkus> lol went out to dinner today
[03:21:44] <julian> It might be aspirational, but that's never achievable in practice. You probably don't even apply informal rules equally in your own life when no one else is stopping you
[03:21:00] <cmn32480> I'm not reading tha bacscroll
[03:20:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> julian, without laws that we all abide by, we're not citizens but subjects. no american should ever stand for that.
[03:20:55] <cmn32480> holy hannah
[03:18:40] <chromas> Sounds like an internet mascot
[03:17:27] <julian> Also wasn't a fan of the Jews
[03:17:09] <julian> Deontology
[03:16:59] <julian> Kant was for duty and rules-based ethics, "Do what is right though the world may perish"
[03:16:14] <Leebert> chromas: brilliant
[03:15:28] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 209
[03:15:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[03:15:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[03:14:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't really buy ANY of the left's "moral" arguments anymore though. it's too easy to explain why each and every one of them are absurd and they're just trying to make you feel like you're a bad person if you disagree with them anyway.
[03:11:37] <Bender> karma - chromas: 182
[03:11:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas++ # Brilliant!
[03:11:24] <chromas> How about an exchange program? We'll auto-accept a hard-working immigrant for each gender studies major we can deport
[03:11:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> which one is Kant again?
[03:10:59] * TheMightyBuzzard looks at his picture of the stooges
[03:10:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> now if you want to make the "fuckers coming over with a strong desire to work are just the type of people we want as americans", that i can get behind.
[03:09:52] <julian> TheMightyBuzzard: I bet you have a framed picture of Kant in your home :p
[03:09:27] <Leebert> It's a very easy thing to say, I think, when it's an anonymous theoretical kid.
[03:09:17] <julian> Although I was dating a Mexican communist at the time. Maybe I'm still biased
[03:09:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have sympathy as well, i'm just not going to buy the morality argument because it is dead wrong.
[03:08:42] <julian> Ningun ser humano es illegal, as my May Day parade sign said a few years ago
[03:08:37] <Leebert> I get where you're going; law and order and all that stuff. But personally, I have some sympathy there and I can understand not ripping some kid away from their life.
[03:08:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> the mistakes of everyone's fathers land on their children. there's no moral reason to spare these particular ones that fate.
[03:08:18] <chromas> fasttrack them to legal status
[03:08:13] <Bytram> ...trying to get away from the sins of the father
[03:07:51] <Bytram> or mother
[03:07:42] <julian> The sins of the father...
[03:07:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> no it's not. there's nothing immoral about enforcing a law their parents knew they were breaking.
[03:07:24] <Leebert> I think that's a significant minority of illegals, but it IS a difficult problem.
[03:07:09] <chromas> anchor families
[03:06:38] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: It's fair that it's somewhat morally objectionable to deport innocent illegal kids who essentially grew up here and came here through no fault of their own.
[03:06:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> but it is a bit of a sticky wicket
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[03:06:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> and we have no moral obligation to allow them to be.
[03:06:06] <Leebert> It's definitely an intractable problem.
[03:06:06] Bytram is now known as Bytram|hiding
[03:06:04] <MrPlow> #fite Mayonaise falls broken at Bytram's feet.
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[03:05:53] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[03:05:53] <Bytram> #fite Mayonaise
[03:05:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> nor morally. they have no moral right to be here.
[03:05:49] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[03:05:37] <Leebert> I guess someone finally told him who builds his hotels. :)
[03:05:34] <julian> Because talk is cheap, forcibly removing millions of people including women and minor children is costly--fiscally and morally
[03:05:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, thas not feasible with the amount of law enforcement officers we have.
[03:05:15] <Leebert> He basically said, IIRC, "let's fix the border first, then figure out what to do with the people who are already here when we know that no one else can enter illegally"
[03:04:37] <Leebert> I found it interesting that even Trump backpedaled a bit on mass deportations.
[03:04:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, you can enforce a law without having to shoot people.
[03:03:58] <julian> I live in one of those cities, we're doing fine thanks ;)
[03:03:25] <Leebert> But there's a whole lot of nudge nudge wink wink it's all good going on (sanctuary cities, etc.)
[03:03:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> feds don't obey the law, politicians don't obey the law, illegals coming across the border don't obey the law, and employers paying them peanuts don't obey the law. and nobody does anything about it.
[03:03:12] <julian> You make too much of an "attempt" and you end up with psychotic "blood and soil" bullshit and millions of dead under-humans
[03:02:55] <Leebert> I would't say no attempt, we deport a lot of people.
[03:02:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> julian, right now we're not even making an attempt.
[03:02:05] <chromas> "Why don't you go back to where you went to?"
[03:02:02] <Leebert> And I'm completely annoyed by the "undocumented immigrants" terminology. This isn't 1984.
[03:01:49] <exec> └─ 13Illegal Immigrants Returning To Mexico For American Jobs - The Onion - America's Finest News Source
[03:01:48] <chromas> http://www.theonion.com
[03:01:38] <Leebert> I'm OK with immigration, I am not OK with illegal immigration.
[03:01:33] <julian> If that's your definition of a nation, then no nation has ever or will ever exist
[03:01:25] <Leebert> Totally with you TheMightyBuzzard
[03:01:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> laws need to apply equally to everybody or we're not a nation of law but of tyranny.
[03:01:08] <julian> Leebert: I've not hear that, but that agrees with other sources I've looked at recently.
[03:00:47] <chromas> We can fill all those jobs with our kids. Put 'em to work so they don't grow up with participation trophies
[03:00:40] <Leebert> julian: Did you listen to the This American Life episode a few weeks ago where they talked about it? Apparently it's been flat since about 2009 (as many leave as arrive)
[03:00:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> which i'm okay with. currently illegal immigrants are being paid well under minimum wage. exploited if you will.
[03:00:13] <julian> Most sober estimates say illegal immigration is a net gain for the economy
[02:59:53] <julian> I don't think it's as big a problem as anyone thinks. Any action against illegal immigration will cost us more than we save
[02:58:44] <chromas> It's also a good family fun time activity. Take a vacation down to the southern border and play whack-a-bean for free! Fun for the whole family
[02:58:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> julian, the whole swarm o illegals needs to stop. if that means we gotta start streamlining legal immigration, so be it.
[02:58:05] <Leebert> Maybe make the actual landmines make a "whammy" sound from Press Your Luck before it explodes
[02:57:31] <chromas> YEs
[02:57:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, that's some quality thinking there, Leebert
[02:57:27] <julian> If you *really* wanted to stop illegal immigration (and destroy the economy while you're at it) just pass a draconian employee ID law and fine businesses for violating it
[02:57:12] <Leebert> chromas: So every third landmine is actually just a whoopie cushion?
[02:56:51] <chromas> we don't just want secure. it needs to be fun, too
[02:56:49] <Leebert> which, basically, we're already doing.
[02:56:36] <Leebert> Plus a decision to build a "virtual" wall with drones and cameras and laser fencing and other fun sounding stuff...
[02:56:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, i'd do land mines and concertina wire if i really wanted it secure
[02:56:04] <Leebert> julian: Right. Ground breaking ceremony and some sections was my prediction.
[02:55:39] <julian> My realistic prediction is that they'll renovate a section of wall near San Diego, have a fancy ground-breaking ceremony where he gets to wear a hard hate, and then we never talk about it again
[02:55:36] <chromas> We don't even need a wall. Just build turrets every few hundred feet stationed with snipers
[02:55:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> just gotta fast-track one case of eminent domain through the courts and the rest have to be dropped.
[02:55:29] <Leebert> But there's going to be a fudgeton of eminent domain, environmental reviews, blah blah blah that can keep the whole thing tied up in federal courts for years.
[02:55:27] <cmn32480> problem is getting Mexico to reimburse us
[02:55:01] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: Oh, I think it's technically possible. Even maybe feasible in 4 years.
[02:54:57] <cmn32480> financing is already approved some years ago for the wall
[02:54:27] <Leebert> cmn32480: I'd like to see it built. But apropos of the wall, if a bunch of grumpy old people in Chevy Chase have managed to hold up the whole thing in the courts for so many years, imagine what a well-resourced opposition could do in federal courts for a 1,200 mile wall?
[02:54:17] <cmn32480> Chinese did a really good job on that big damn too
[02:54:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i'll stick with me lil squirrel guns that shoot .22 lr
[02:53:53] <cmn32480> accurate aaf
[02:53:47] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard - Ruger Competition .22
[02:53:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ain't impossible. you'd think the FDR fans would like it even. bloody stupid public work that costs an arm and a leg to build but doesn't do much of anything.
[02:53:44] <chromas> they did a pretty good job with the railroads
[02:53:26] <julian> He'll just get the chinese to build it like all the rest of his products. Actually they're pretty good with walls
[02:53:16] <cmn32480> the purple line is a great example of government superb inefficiency
[02:52:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads man
[02:52:40] <Leebert> cmn32480: I've been using the Purple Line as an example of how it is essentially impossible for DJT to build a wall along the border in a 4-year timeline.
[02:52:34] <cmn32480> my .22 only shoots CCI Green Tag
[02:52:27] * TheMightyBuzzard waves at the new ed minion
[02:52:18] <julian> hello
[02:52:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar.
[02:51:58] * exec sneakily coalesces a spankbank of testicular torsion with julian
[02:51:56] <cmn32480> ~gday julian
[02:51:55] <Leebert> But seriously, I'm not a Trump fan but geez, some people need to get a grip on reality.
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[02:51:36] <cmn32480> my .22 doesn't shoot cheap...
[02:51:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, both. people were buying more because the feds were spending all their surplus funds on ammo by executive order.
[02:51:10] <Leebert> Perhaps Mr. Trump will give us an awesome government surplus auction?
[02:50:48] <chromas> Were they really buying it up or was it all just people stocking up, a-scurd of obama takin' their guns?
[02:50:47] <Leebert> (literally, lol)
[02:50:43] <Leebert> lol
[02:50:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> force them to make a GOOD new star trek series?
[02:50:12] <Leebert> Oh man, one of my friends who lives in Federal Hill is literally afraid he's going to round up Jews... And do what, I'm not sure.
[02:49:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean it's not like there was one valid reason for the feds to be buying up .22 ammo. anything they're gonna shoot they'd better be using at least .223 ammo. i doubt they even have more than a hundred .22 firearms between every agency.
[02:49:06] <cmn32480> I konw where you live. I'm not surprised
[02:48:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[02:48:25] <Leebert> but you get my point
[02:48:22] <Leebert> ugh bad sentence
[02:48:10] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: I've actually gotten a somewhat favorable response from some of my panicking liberal friends when I point out that their fear of a dictator Trump (I cannot make this stuff up, one literally used the word "dictator") and I pointed out that it's the kind of situation the second amendment was intended to solve...
[02:47:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> three or four terms like that and we woulda had a generation with almost no shooters.
[02:47:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. i'm thinking the plan was take all the cheap ammo off the market so you couldn't afford to let kids casually shoot all they felt like.
[02:47:22] * cmn32480 wishes he shot enough to need to know ammo prices
[02:46:36] <Leebert> Nice
[02:44:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> still low supply but the price is back normalish
[02:44:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> can get .22 shells for bout $0.12/ea again
[02:43:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> ah sweet
[02:43:08] <cmn32480> mostly midwest, plus Arkansas and Mississippi
[02:42:31] <cmn32480> 14
[02:41:42] <cmn32480> I'm missing 15 states
[02:40:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> it'll be nice to be able to go in and buy a bucket of shells for $10-15 again and shoot all afternoon.
[02:40:56] <exec> 10Indianapolis, IN, USA - currently 50°F / 10°C, clear with periodic clouds, wind W at 6 mph, humidity 72% - Tuesday partly cloudy (38°F:64°F / 3°C:18°C), Wednesday sunny (43°F:64°F / 6°C:18°C), Thursday sunny (53°F:71°F / 12°C:22°C), Friday scattered showers (39°F:71°F / 4°C:22°C)
[02:40:55] <cmn32480> ~weather indy
[02:39:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> Leebert, bocephus is also acceptable
[02:39:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> .22 shells should be dropping quite a lot soon. all the federal agencies won't be buying it up with their surplus cash under trump.
[02:39:00] <cmn32480> or Skynard
[02:38:33] <Leebert> I don't really like Kid Rock... but if it's for my country, then I *guess* I could make the ultimate sacrifice.
[02:38:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> what you need is a boom box and some kid rock to blast from it
[02:37:20] <Leebert> Speaking of guns, I meant to see how ammo prices responded to the election.
[02:36:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're askeert
[02:36:48] <Leebert> They won't let me bring my guns or bald eagles. :(
[02:36:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn straight
[02:36:20] <Leebert> If I'm going to take a train through several European countries, I need to have at least a little bit of 'murica goign on.
[02:35:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> far as i'm concerned though, anything left of texas is too hippie to want to go there anyway.
[02:35:40] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: You'll at least give me some leeway; I've ordered an american flag velcro patch for my backpack for my trip.
[02:34:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> draw a line straight up from the bottom of texas. i've been right of everywhere it touches. except maine.
[02:34:46] <Leebert> gah I hate planning travel
[02:34:34] * cmn32480 looks for a list of states
[02:34:15] <Leebert> Still missing HI, AK, VT, and MI
[02:34:14] <cmn32480> kinda like never leaving the airport
[02:34:07] <cmn32480> doesn't count
[02:33:55] <Leebert> I have 5 states not checkboxed. One state is semi-checked: North Dakota, which I've traversed on a train, but I never got off the train.
[02:33:49] <cmn32480> and this is the scariest one I have seen in a long imte
[02:33:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> and porn
[02:33:41] <cmn32480> we like horror movies
[02:33:10] <Leebert> WILL YOU TWO GET OUT OF MY HEAD
[02:33:00] <Leebert> Then again, I feel the same way when I go to California. :)
[02:32:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> i still got like 20 states i ain't been to. and i can always to to cali if i wanna get hated on for where i'm from.
[02:32:48] <cmn32480> AMEN!
[02:32:38] <Leebert> But I'm usually ready to go home after only a couple of days. And I'm always happy to be back.
[02:32:36] <cmn32480> Leebert.. I kind of enjoy coming home again too
[02:32:19] <Leebert> TheMightyBuzzard: I kind of enjoy visiting other countries.
[02:30:22] * cmn32480 starts editing on prod instead of helping on dev
[02:30:01] <cmn32480> not my fault... work sends me places that require it
[02:29:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> passport? that's for fruity hippy types who feel the need to leave
[02:29:22] <cmn32480> my passport isn't good enough?
[02:29:20] <Leebert> cmn32480: I drive around the US a lot.
[02:29:03] <Leebert> "I can't let you leave until I'm satisfied that you're an American citizen." "Do you have articulable reason to believe otherwise?"
[02:29:02] <cmn32480> leebert - you live in a sanctuary state... no such thing as an immigration check here
[02:28:29] <Leebert> And it becomes a ridiculous pissing match.
[02:27:47] <Leebert> Yup. They generally wave me through, or don't argue much because I'm a pissed-off looking white dude with short hair.
[02:27:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> immigration checkpoints can suck a dick unless they're at the border
[02:25:02] <Leebert> "Are you a US citizen?" "AM I BEING DETAINED?!??! I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA!!!"
[02:24:33] <Leebert> I've had a few run ins at immigration checkpoints
[02:24:17] <Leebert> Even driving can be an exercise in "fuck you, The Man."
[02:20:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. i only fly when driving isn't an option
[02:18:24] <Leebert> Because fuck the TSA
[02:18:21] <Leebert> Sometimes I will when going to Florida.
[02:18:04] <Leebert> I like trains. But I admit that I don't really take them often in the US outside of the Northeast
[02:13:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> i usually just ask myself "who the hell rides trains anymore?" then drive.
[02:11:41] <Leebert> Life is much easier with Amtrak. You only ask yourself two questions: Does the train actually go there, and how absurdly long will it take to get there?
[02:10:58] <cmn32480> 4-5 hours delta
[02:10:53] <cmn32480> yes they are
[02:10:46] <Leebert> I think they're probably asleep, now that I think about it.
[02:10:16] <cmn32480> \"The Magic in a Hairy Masseusse"
[02:09:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> the moon is a harsh mistress, you git
[02:09:40] <cmn32480> "That Man is a Hot Mess"
[02:09:25] <cmn32480> is the whole ting gibberish or just the title?
[02:09:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i may need to read tmiahm again
[02:06:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Syrians in Aleppo Asked to Leave by Text Message - http://sylnt.us - from-social-media-to-social-propoganda
[02:06:28] <cmn32480> point: proven!
[02:05:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> always pack heat on train rides. they love that type of thing over in europe
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[02:02:09] <cmn32480> DON"T take advice from TheMightyBuzzard
[02:02:00] <cmn32480> and Deucalion
[02:01:45] * cmn32480 thinks boru might be as well
[02:01:26] <cmn32480> Leebert - check w/ zz_janrinok, FatPhil, and any of a couple others who are from Europe
[01:59:16] <Leebert> It's a little confusing exactly how one is expected to navigate international travel via train, espeically when there's like 3-4 connecting trains
[01:58:00] <Leebert> I've only done trains in the UK, except one Eurostar run to Paris.
[01:57:36] <Leebert> Just trying to lazyweb the train system...
[01:54:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> du -hs ~/Calibre\ Library: 340M /home/bob/Calibre Library
[01:52:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes. i'm always surprised he eats the green eggs and ham at the end though.
[01:51:46] <chromas> You have just the one book?
[01:49:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg, i finished that book already. now i need something else to do.
[01:43:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Leebert, several, yeah.
[01:33:39] <Leebert> I can't remember, is anyone in here European?
[01:13:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> turning into a loong evening. think ima read a book to kill some time till bedtime.
[01:10:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean she's old enough to remember the 80s but no way did she look good in guess jeans during them
[01:09:43] <chromas> duuude
[01:09:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> no that was back in the 80s
[01:09:26] <chromas> or was it acid wash?
[01:09:22] <chromas> just like hillary's server
[01:08:55] * TheMightyBuzzard pours bleach on chromas's electric piano
[01:08:02] <chromas> midi chlorians
[01:07:47] <chromas> or thetans
[01:07:44] <chromas> aw, my utils are low
[01:04:30] <MrPlow> #fite scoreboard updated: https://sylnt.us
[01:04:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fitectl scoreboard
[00:59:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> happy full belly
[00:59:35] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[00:59:35] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
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[00:29:07] <exec> └─ 13STFU - YouTube
[00:29:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll allow this to be my favorite song for today: https://www.youtube.com
[00:27:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook's Fake News Crisis Deepens - http://sylnt.us - truth-and-nothing-but-the-truth
[00:26:12] <chromas> at least, the fallout did
[00:25:56] <chromas> NC and I had an epic battle in #fite. LAsted for hours
[00:25:27] <Deucalion> nighters
[00:25:20] * Deucalion heads to bed to dream of another glorious day of work ahead
[00:24:43] <Deucalion> I have no idea how it works
[00:24:35] <Deucalion> by exec
[00:24:23] <Deucalion> she was taken down at 18 mins past this hour
[00:23:54] <chromas> nothing was emitted in #fite though so maube Aphrodite was already down
[00:23:31] * cmn32480 runs off to feed his chillens
[00:23:24] <cmn32480> whomever wins the last line fo the fite is the winner
[00:23:17] -!- mode/#Soylent [-q *!*@nsa.gov] by Aphrodite
[00:23:17] <Deucalion> .unquiet MrPlow
[00:23:07] <chromas> nothing happened. Perhaps MrPlow takes the hint
[00:23:04] <cmn32480> the result posts to the channel you call it in
[00:23:03] <Deucalion> well that is an oversight lol
[00:22:53] <cmn32480> nope
[00:22:49] <Deucalion> I expect the result is in #fite no?
[00:22:42] <cmn32480> lol
[00:22:32] * chromas probably died
[00:22:19] <chromas> #fite Aphrodite
[00:21:40] -!- mode/#Soylent [+q *!*@nsa.gov] by Aphrodite
[00:21:40] <Deucalion> .quiet MrPlow
[00:21:33] * Deucalion pops
[00:21:18] <cmn32480> nothign.. I jsut like poking the grouchy guy to see if he pops
[00:20:57] <MrPlow> #fite swiss level: 3, hp: 7, weapon: 'dragondildo', armor: 'ungodly stench'
[00:20:57] <swiss> #fitectl status
[00:20:57] <Deucalion> sup cmn32480
[00:20:52] <cmn32480> swiss - yer welcome
[00:20:50] <chromas> grouchy marx
[00:20:46] * cmn32480 pokes Deucalion
[00:20:42] <swiss> cmn32480: nice
[00:20:09] <Deucalion> don't mind me, I'm grouchy :)
[00:19:42] <cmn32480> get im out of the ranks fo the cannon fodder
[00:19:29] <cmn32480> I'm trying to help the guy level up
[00:19:16] <cmn32480> what?
[00:19:05] <MrPlow> #fite exec falls broken at swiss's feet.
[00:19:05] <Deucalion> oh ffs
[00:19:01] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[00:19:01] <exec> #fite swiss
[00:18:59] <cmn32480> ~say #fite swiss
[00:18:46] <MrPlow> #fite exec level: 3, hp: 2, weapon: 'a pair of jiggly juggs', armor: 'gaggle of giggles'
[00:18:46] <exec> #fitectl status
[00:18:44] <cmn32480> ~say #fitectl status
[00:18:33] <MrPlow> #fite Aphrodite falls broken at exec's feet.
[00:18:32] <cmn32480> swiss.. I suggest fiting whomever wins this one
[00:18:21] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[00:18:21] <exec> #fite Aphrodite
[00:18:19] <cmn32480> ~say #fite Aphrodite
[00:18:13] <exec> fite Aphrodite
[00:18:12] <cmn32480> ~say fite Aphrodite
[00:17:14] <khallow> I'm like totally broken
[00:17:03] <MrPlow> #fite khallow level: 1, hp: 0, weapon: 'fist', armor: 'grungy t-shirt'
[00:17:03] <khallow> #fitectl status
[00:16:54] <khallow> ouch
[00:16:48] <swiss> i am triumphant
[00:16:43] <MrPlow> #fite khallow falls broken at swiss's feet.
[00:16:37] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[00:16:37] <swiss> #fite khallow
[00:16:22] <MrPlow> #fite scoreboard updated: https://sylnt.us
[00:16:22] <swiss> #fitectl scoreboard
[00:15:09] <MrPlow> #fite MrPlow falls broken at exec's feet.
[00:14:57] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[00:14:57] <exec> #fite MrPlow
[00:14:56] <cmn32480> ~say #fite MrPlow
[00:00:43] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders off to make food-like substances and eat them