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[00:02:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, feelin a nap myself but that'll leave me getting up about an hour before bedtime
[00:06:24] * Deucalion welcomes TheMightyBuzzard to fucked up sleep patterns. I know! Let's talk politics! How are you feeling about your new Pres-Elect?
[00:06:44] <Deucalion> Keep you awake until it is time for the pills to wear off :D
[00:07:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheeto jesus? i don't feel much of anything about him cause nobody really knows wtf he's gonna do now that he's there.
[00:08:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean folks on both sides will tell you what THEY think he's gonna do but he's got no record so it's entirely guesswork
[00:10:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, think i'll read a book
[00:16:36] <Deucalion> Media here was shitting out because he called some other nation first... "oh noes our special relationship".... sometimes you have to throw a disruptive influence in to the mix - may end up bad, may work out. It's refreshing not to have a career politician at the helm... but fuck knows how that will go.
[00:17:54] <Deucalion> Wasn't working before to anyone's satisfaction so why not disrupt it and start again?
[00:18:57] <Deucalion> Before you know it the US will have PR and a functional democracy again :P
[00:28:36] <chromas> We should have an internet democracy
[00:29:17] <chromas> Every little thing is available for us to vote on from our phones or other computers and we get a week to decide
[00:30:05] <chromas> and we can change our votes all we want until the deadline
[00:42:31] <cmn32480> chromas - nothign could POSSIBLY go wrong...
[00:44:18] <chromas> Like what?
[00:44:31] * cmn32480 starts researching ancient athens
[00:44:39] <chromas> We already have the winningly-challenged rioting in the streets and looting
[00:45:06] <cmn32480> sure.. ehy not
[00:45:48] <cmn32480> voter fraud isn't a hug problem now... internet voting? might be a problem... script kiddies FTW
[00:47:19] <chromas> Fine. Don't use the internet. Use the cloud
[00:48:44] <cmn32480> oh well in that case.. I think we ought to push this idea through congress with a RamRod
[00:50:21] <chromas> this is not a democracy; it's a cloudocracy
[00:51:17] * cmn32480 wonders what the silver lining is
[00:51:53] Deucalion is now known as juggs
[00:51:58] * juggs jiggles
[00:52:10] * juggs nick Deucalion
[00:52:15] <juggs> lo
[00:52:23] juggs is now known as Decalion
[00:52:40] <Decalion> There's the only silver lining
[00:53:00] Decalion is now known as Deucalion
[00:53:20] <Deucalion> One day I shall learn to type :)
[01:07:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lenovo is Ditching its Own Brand Name to Make Way for 'Moto' - http://sylnt.us - hello-moto
[01:07:43] <jasassin> yes gpu prices fall fast like 6 months half price
[01:08:31] <Deucalion> jasassin, show me a 1080 that has fallen 50% in 6 months :P
[01:08:38] <jasassin> unless you want somehing awesome like a vdoodoo2 thats 8 bucks on ebay
[01:08:55] <jasassin> hd3450
[01:09:32] <Deucalion> /ignore jassbandit
[01:10:31] <cmn32480> last years model falls to 50% 6 months after this years model comes out
[01:11:02] <Deucalion> cmn32480, seeing any cheap 980Ti deals?
[01:11:03] <cmn32480> the 9XX series are still fairly expensive
[01:11:24] <cmn32480> since I bought my 970 I haven't been looking much
[01:11:31] <Deucalion> best way
[01:12:18] <cmn32480> 980Ti is still between $700 and the sky
[01:12:40] <Deucalion> lol... let me just check behind the sofa cushions
[01:12:47] <cmn32480> newegg has some RFB's in the $400 range
[01:13:49] * cmn32480 is quite happy with his 970
[01:14:02] <cmn32480> play doom at High res quite nicely
[01:14:56] <Deucalion> yep.. I'm watching the 1060 1070 prices... the '80s are always premium priced
[01:15:09] <cmn32480> exactly
[01:15:27] <cmn32480> go a step or two below the top of the line and the price dumps rather dramatically
[01:15:37] * Deucalion hugs cmn32480
[01:15:54] <cmn32480> thanks. I needed that after the week I've had
[01:16:39] <Deucalion> likewise.
[01:16:57] * cmn32480 give Deucalion a bro hug
[01:17:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> remember, the three pats on the back mean "I'm. Not. Gay."
[01:18:09] <cmn32480> what was that fourth one you gave me for? Good luck?
[01:19:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> the one on the ass? "Psych."
[01:19:42] <Deucalion> he has a beard... it's a closet male thing for having an opening with hair around it. I dunno we need some safe spaces around here!
[01:20:01] <cmn32480> /join #safespace
[01:20:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i got a sword within grabbing distance. safe enough for me.
[01:20:21] * Deucalion fucks off to bed before more damage is done. Be well all.
[01:20:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite boss guy
[01:20:34] <cmn32480> holy hell... we have a #safespace channel
[01:20:45] <cmn32480> ~gnight Deucalion
[01:20:47] * exec proverbially pits a fat32 volume of weed against Deucalion
[01:21:21] <cmn32480> how does one drop a channel?
[01:21:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> /part
[01:21:51] <cmn32480> apparentyl /leavce works too
[01:22:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> any channel you try to join will be there though
[01:22:19] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard - my sword is always within grabbing distance...
[01:22:32] <cmn32480> chromas was already there
[01:22:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine's three foot long and pointy
[01:23:39] <cmn32480> you only get to measure one way... not once on each side
[01:25:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> weighs more than a newborn and i can hammer a six inch spike through a board with it
[01:26:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> 50 internets to anyone that gets the six inch spike reference without googling
[01:27:20] <cmn32480> I've heard it but I can't remember where w/o googling
[01:28:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> real genius. hell of a movie.
[01:28:02] <cmn32480> I googled
[01:28:53] <cmn32480> I think am gonn acall it an early night
[01:28:59] <cmn32480> maybe relax w/ a book
[01:29:07] <cmn32480> or some TV
[01:29:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gnight cmn32480
[01:29:36] * exec skeptically bitchslaps a satchel of plastic grommets with cmn32480
[01:29:53] <cmn32480> Runaway1956 - dont' upgrade your NVidia drivers to 375.x. the f**k up FAH
[01:29:57] <cmn32480> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[01:29:58] * exec flatulantly piles a boot of coffee on TheMightyBuzzard
[01:30:10] <cmn32480> I think you win
[01:30:15] <cmn32480> coffee++
[01:30:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3016
[01:30:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i got coffee so of course
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[01:52:14] <exec> welcome Runaway1956: Dallas, TX, USA, 16°C/61°F, 7:52 pm GMT-6, Saturday, 12 November 2016
[02:02:54] <Bytram> http://arstechnica.com
[02:02:56] <exec> └─ 13New attack reportedly lets 1 modest laptop knock big servers offline | Ars Technica
[02:22:52] <swiss> #fite exec
[02:22:52] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[02:22:53] <MrPlow> #fite swiss falls broken at exec's feet.
[02:22:58] <swiss> ty exec
[02:25:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, now i wanna fire up the vpn and see what all i can take down with an icmp flood straight out of 1993
[02:36:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Stable Quantum Bits Can Be Made from Complex Molecules - http://sylnt.us - glad-to-see-a-[qu]bit-of-progress
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[03:03:24] <Bytram> From what I read there, the attack requires a specific format of a specific type of ICMP (3?). Not so much kills server as it gets the *firewall* to bog down so much that it blocks access through the FW.
[03:03:56] <Bytram> Also, from the comments on that story, is effective only on the "smaller" FWs; bigger ones can handle that load.
[03:05:47] <Bytram> IIUC, not only does it block systems outside the FW (i.e. on the internet) from reaching in (say to a web server), it would also block systems inside the FW from getting out to the internet.
[03:06:21] * Bytram could well be mistaken; would appreciate being corrected on any mistakes presented here.
[03:06:44] <julian> What attack is this?
[03:07:12] <Bytram> discovered vulnerability; read: http://arstechnica.com
[03:07:13] <exec> └─ 13New attack reportedly lets 1 modest laptop knock big servers offline | Ars Technica
[03:07:44] <Bytram> a single laptop with a 15 Mbps connection can drop access through some firewalls, if I understand it correctly.
[03:08:38] <Bytram> been a long couple of days... am working tomorrow, too. /me will hit the hay soon.
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[03:18:20] <exec> welcome Ethanol-fueled: San Diego, CA, USA, 21°C/70°F, 7:18 pm GMT-8, Saturday, 12 November 2016
[03:18:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Hell yeah, another discrete math exam knocked outta the ballpark
[03:18:46] <Ethanol-fueled> was a good day. did well on an exam, got to see a black steal beer from the store in a humorous manner
[03:18:48] <Bytram> another divide-by-zero error?
[03:18:55] <Bytram> ;)
[03:19:18] <Ethanol-fueled> bytram, we did have a question about zero and the divides relationship
[03:19:19] <Bytram> but seriously, glad you had a good day
[03:19:43] <Ethanol-fueled> that's one stupid thing about math - some people say zero divides all integers, others say it divides only itself
[03:19:55] <Bytram> "jump discontinuity" is mathematics' polite term for WTF?
[03:20:15] <Ethanol-fueled> It's reaching that point where math is like a religion,and which is the right answer depends on which interpretation you subscribe
[03:20:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Bytram, jump discontinuity is continuous math talk---sacrilige
[03:20:40] <Bytram> foo / 0 where foo is either all integers or just 0?
[03:20:45] <Bytram> lol
[03:20:51] <Ethanol-fueled> yes, bytram
[03:21:12] <Bytram> well, goes on from there... not just integers, but also rational, real, and imaginary numbers, too.
[03:21:49] <Bytram> divide by zero in imaginary numbers is quite the mental, umm, "twist"
[03:22:02] <Ethanol-fueled> that sounds interesting.
[03:22:10] <Ethanol-fueled> maybe something I'll look up when the booze kicks in
[03:22:15] <Bytram> are you familiar with imaginary numbers?
[03:22:32] <Ethanol-fueled> I prefer to call them complex numbers and use j rather than i, but yeah, somewhat
[03:22:38] <Ethanol-fueled> I can read a Smith chart
[03:22:40] <Bytram> k, same thing
[03:22:54] <Bytram> *i* see what you did htere.
[03:22:57] <Bytram> =)
[03:22:58] <Ethanol-fueled> Har har
[03:23:27] <Ethanol-fueled> Boston Dynamics moved me from robotics to communications, so I've been doing a lot of RF/microwave stuff lately
[03:23:40] <Ethanol-fueled> a crash-course into the practical application of complex numbers
[03:23:45] <Bytram> beam me up, EF!
[03:23:56] <Bytram> thas for sure!
[03:24:21] <Bytram> so... wait... you're helping to build Skynet so they can communicate with each other?
[03:24:48] <julian> That always creeps me out a bit, why complex numbers should be so applicable to the fundamental structure of reality
[03:24:52] <Ethanol-fueled> Not just yet, though I know that autonomous swarms are a field of interest to the military now
[03:25:06] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:25:07] <Ethanol-fueled> agreed, julian.
[03:25:57] <julian> Philosophy of math has done more to challenge my atheism than anything else
[03:26:02] <Bytram> LOL!
[03:26:02] <Ethanol-fueled> It came easy to me because I learned about capacitance and inductance before I realized how complex numbers were used in the real world
[03:26:12] <Bytram> noice!
[03:26:21] <Ethanol-fueled> Bytram, are you drunk? Or a bot?
[03:26:29] <Bytram> neither
[03:27:33] <Ethanol-fueled> By the way, are complex numbers used outside of electronics and math classes?
[03:28:14] <Bytram> excellent question! I've not run into them
[03:28:19] <Bytram> s/them/any
[03:28:19] * sedctl offers Bytrom a /
[03:28:25] <Bytram> s/them/any/
[03:28:25] <sedctl> <Bytram> excellent question! I've not run into any
[03:29:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Probably a lot in quantum mechanics
[03:30:52] <Bytram> triple integrals on the complex number plane made for some very interesting transformations that I could never quite get my head around
[03:31:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Yeeech...sounds like a pain in the ass to evaluate
[03:31:23] <Ethanol-fueled> double integrals and partial derivatives are bad enough
[03:31:40] <Bytram> yeah, not fun. especially in the days before there was matlab or maple and their ilk. had to do it all by hand.
[03:32:17] * Bytram got really really good at drawing 3-D axes
[03:32:44] <julian> I'm always amazed at how much was done before even calculators
[03:32:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Ah, here's an answer:
[03:32:51] <Ethanol-fueled> "Two-dimensional problems involving Laplace's equation (e.g. heat flow, fluid flow, electrostatics) are often solved using complex analysis, in particular conformal mapping."
[03:33:15] <Ethanol-fueled> agreed, julian.
[03:33:29] <Ethanol-fueled> I believe, generally, that older engineers are smarter than younger ones.
[03:33:37] <xhedit> #fite Ethanol-fueled
[03:33:37] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[03:33:39] <Bytram> now that is weird ... I read that, and am nodding to myself as it sounds right based on what I had studied, but there is no way in the world I could explain what that means!
[03:33:53] <Ethanol-fueled> xhedit, I don't get it.
[03:33:58] <MrPlow> #fite Ethanol-fueled falls broken at xhedit's feet.
[03:34:12] <Bytram> Ethanol-fueled: that could be, but I suspect it is only because they've had more time to make mistakes... and learn from them
[03:34:35] <julian> I think it's just that the older you are the more experience you've potentially gained which should be combined with the most modern tools available
[03:34:42] <xhedit> blame TMB
[03:34:53] <Bytram> xhedit: stop that!
[03:34:54] <Bytram> ~blame
[03:34:56] * exec points at Bytram
[03:35:00] <Bytram> =)
[03:35:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> wut?
[03:35:33] <Ethanol-fueled> julian, I think an engineer who has to use more manual calculations and pen/paper has a better understanding than one who is dependent on CAS systems.
[03:36:01] <Bytram> tend to think more before acting, because each attempt is much more time-consuming and painful, should it fail
[03:36:11] <Ethanol-fueled> It's kind of like an assembly vs. java argument. You can assume that somebody good with assembler has a deeper understanding how how the computer works under the hood
[03:36:27] <Ethanol-fueled> agreed, bytram
[03:36:36] <Ethanol-fueled> sup buzzard
[03:36:51] <Ethanol-fueled> even though assembler is more tedious than java
[03:36:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> just putting down a book, bout to sleep
[03:36:57] <Ethanol-fueled> (unless you're a masochist)
[03:37:26] <xhedit> I'm just pointing fingers.
[03:37:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite xhedit
[03:37:35] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[03:38:17] <Bytram> okay, that does it for me... we've got stories queued until 21:00+ UTC Sunday. Lets some folks sleep in / take a breather
[03:38:23] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[03:38:28] <Bytram|away> ~gnight all
[03:38:29] * exec carefully stuffs a buzzfeed listicle of extract of swamp ass into all
[03:38:32] <MrPlow> #fite xhedit falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
[03:38:39] <Bytram|away> oh, yeah
[03:38:50] <Bytram|away> #fite #fitectl status
[03:38:50] * MrPlow looks around but doesn't see #fitectl status
[03:38:53] <Bytram|away> #fitectl status
[03:38:53] <MrPlow> #fite Bytram|away level: 1, hp: 11, weapon: 'fist', armor: 'grungy t-shirt'
[03:39:05] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[03:39:07] <Bytram> #fitectl status
[03:39:07] <MrPlow> #fite Bytram level: 6, hp: 16, weapon: 'Sting', armor: 'Mithril'
[03:39:14] <Bytram> #fite Mayonaise
[03:39:14] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[03:39:29] <MrPlow> #fite Bytram falls broken at Mayonaise's feet.
[03:39:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> doh
[03:39:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite Mayonaise
[03:39:37] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[03:39:45] <MrPlow> #fite Mayonaise falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
[03:39:49] <Bytram> feh
[03:39:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> you are avenged!
[03:39:52] <Bytram> #fitectl status
[03:39:52] <MrPlow> #fite Bytram level: 5, hp: 0, weapon: 'Sting', armor: 'Mithril'
[03:40:03] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[03:40:07] <Bytram|away> this time for sure!
[03:40:49] * TheMightyBuzzard heads off to bed and leaves the smart people to blow the world up with fancy numbers
[03:41:03] <Ethanol-fueled> #fite Bytram level: 20, hp: 20, weapon: 'Extender', armor: 'Cardboard'
[03:41:03] * MrPlow looks around but doesn't see Bytram level: 20, hp: 20, weapon: 'Extender', armor: 'Cardboard'
[03:41:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, #fite someone, #fitectl status, #fitectl scoreboard, #fitectl armor <armor>, #fitectl weapon <weapon>
[03:42:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Is that how I load my own states and fite somebody?
[03:42:20] <Ethanol-fueled> s/states/stats/g
[03:42:21] <sedctl> <Ethanol-fueled> Is that how I load my own stats and fite somebody?
[03:42:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> all them commands, yeah. weapon n armor is stored in the db along with yer level n hp
[03:43:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> hp is level + 10. damage is 1d8 with a 5% chance of a critical hit for double damage.
[03:44:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> level up every time you win, lose one every time you die. good fairy comes and realives everyone after four hours.
[03:44:34] <Ethanol-fueled> sweet
[03:45:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> the channel #fite is where all the individual swings go to stop spam
[03:45:13] * TheMightyBuzzard really heads off to bed now
[03:45:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Nice. Good night!
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[04:07:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Probing Underground Depths of Earth's Carbon Cycle - http://sylnt.us - science-advances-under-pressure
[04:41:06] * Subsentient sprays chunky vomit all over the floor, ceiling and walls
[04:41:24] * Subsentient offers sleepy TheMightyBuzzard a glass of warm puke
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[05:40:08] <exec> welcome Runaway1956: Dallas, TX, USA, 14°C/57°F, 11:40 pm GMT-6, Saturday, 12 November 2016
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[05:45:17] <exec> welcome Runaway1956: Dallas, TX, USA, 14°C/57°F, 11:45 pm GMT-6, Saturday, 12 November 2016
[05:47:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Self-Healing Materials for Semi-Dry Conditions - http://sylnt.us - good-for-those-who-park-their-cars-using-the-braille-method
[07:18:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Computers Made of Genetic Material? - http://sylnt.us - best-of-breed-computing
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[08:56:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - First Random Laser Made of Paper-Based Ceramics - http://sylnt.us - bright-idea
[10:09:22] <FatPhil> coffee++
[10:09:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3017
[10:16:26] <FatPhil> #fite sedctl
[10:16:26] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[10:16:29] <MrPlow> #fite sedctl falls broken at FatPhil's feet.
[10:26:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Visitors Flooded Immigration Website - Crash Followed - Ottawa - http://sylnt.us - oops-they've-done-it-again
[10:34:19] <FatPhil> mornin' all
[10:36:38] <FatPhil> coffee++
[10:36:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3018
[10:36:43] <FatPhil> sauna++
[10:36:43] <Bender> karma - sauna: 1
[10:37:02] <FatPhil> not the best sauna drink, but it's what's in my cup
[11:18:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:18:55] <Bender> karma - coffee: 3019
[11:29:21] <FatPhil> mornin' Buzz
[11:29:47] <FatPhil> ugh, this is a bad beer
[11:33:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, FatPhil. wtf are you doing drinking beer in a sauna?
[11:33:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> or having a computing device in all that heat for that matter
[11:36:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite takyon
[11:36:25] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:36:43] <MrPlow> #fite takyon falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
[11:37:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite aqu4
[11:37:14] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:37:19] <MrPlow> #fite aqu4 falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
[11:39:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, i was checkin out social distortion's new album. for a five year old value of new.
[11:45:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~bewbs
[11:45:50] <exec> 00,06(00,04o00,07 00,08Y00,09 00,12o00,02)
[11:46:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, i gotter learn me some irc coloring for bot output.
[11:46:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite cosurgi
[11:46:51] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:47:08] <MrPlow> #fite cosurgi falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
[11:48:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite Subsentient
[11:48:25] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:48:31] <MrPlow> #fite Subsentient falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
[11:48:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite SirFinkus
[11:48:47] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:48:54] <MrPlow> #fite SirFinkus falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
[11:50:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite Regurgitator
[11:50:33] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:50:39] <MrPlow> #fite Regurgitator falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
[11:50:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite Pigeonburger
[11:50:50] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:50:54] <MrPlow> #fite Pigeonburger falls broken at TheMightyBuzzard's feet.
[11:52:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite Deucalion
[11:52:08] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:52:16] <MrPlow> #fite TheMightyBuzzard falls broken at Deucalion's feet.
[11:52:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> doh!
[11:52:53] <chromas> Oh, how the Mighty has fallen
[11:53:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i tripped over my dick
[11:54:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, 2011 social distortion disk ain't exactly what i'd call good
[11:57:27] <xhedit> social distortion is too noisy for me
[11:57:39] <xhedit> it's like static x punk or something
[11:57:47] <xhedit> #fite u
[11:57:47] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:57:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> the 2011 album certainly ain't.
[11:57:58] <MrPlow> #fite u falls broken at xhedit's feet.
[11:58:31] <xhedit> #fite crutchy
[11:58:31] * MrPlow looks around but doesn't see crutchy
[11:58:44] <xhedit> #fite Loggie
[11:58:44] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:58:49] <MrPlow> #fite Loggie falls broken at xhedit's feet.
[11:58:54] <xhedit> #fite Aphrodite
[11:58:54] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:58:59] <MrPlow> #fite Aphrodite falls broken at xhedit's feet.
[11:59:07] <xhedit> #fite MrPlow
[11:59:07] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:59:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot, it's nicotine time. back in 10.
[11:59:12] <MrPlow> #fite MrPlow falls broken at xhedit's feet.
[11:59:14] <xhedit> #fite Bender
[11:59:14] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:59:28] <MrPlow> #fite Bender falls broken at xhedit's feet.
[11:59:29] <xhedit> #fite CoolHand
[11:59:29] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:59:41] <MrPlow> #fite CoolHand falls broken at xhedit's feet.
[11:59:46] <xhedit> #fite Pigeonburger
[11:59:46] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[11:59:46] <MrPlow> #fite Pigeonburger's corpse is currently rotting on the ground. Try fighting someone who's alive.
[11:59:57] <xhedit> #fite Leebert
[11:59:57] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[12:00:10] <MrPlow> #fite Leebert falls broken at xhedit's feet.
[12:00:19] <xhedit> #fite Tachyon_
[12:00:19] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[12:00:29] <MrPlow> #fite Tachyon_ falls broken at xhedit's feet.
[12:00:34] <xhedit> #fitectl scoreboard
[12:00:34] <MrPlow> #fite scoreboard updated: https://sylnt.us
[12:01:14] <FatPhil> Hmmm, looks like there's plenty of #fite spam on this chan
[12:01:32] <xhedit> #fite Runaway1956
[12:01:32] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[12:01:39] <MrPlow> #fite Runaway1956 falls broken at xhedit's feet.
[12:01:41] <FatPhil> Buzz: feature request - only resurrect people who are on channel, not everyone
[12:02:42] <xhedit> #fite Deucalion
[12:02:42] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[12:02:47] <MrPlow> #fite xhedit falls broken at Deucalion's feet.
[12:02:53] <xhedit> #fitectl scoreboard
[12:02:53] <MrPlow> #fite scoreboard updated: https://sylnt.us
[12:07:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FBI Runs Half of Known Child Porn Sites on Tor - http://sylnt.us - purveying-porn-for-profit-and-prosecution
[12:07:31] <chromas> Is that why the FBI keeps noping the emails?
[12:09:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, they just don't know how to do email.
[12:15:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, i'll thunk about it
[12:17:28] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders a calculate linux vm
[12:21:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks to be a good way to bootstrap your way into gentoo without having to start off building everything from scratch
[12:21:21] zz_janrinok_afk is now known as janrinok
[12:21:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> afternoon, janrinok
[12:21:45] <janrinok> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[12:21:46] * exec sardonically irritates a stack of hatred with TheMightyBuzzard
[12:21:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday janrinok
[12:21:57] * exec single-handedly requisitions an F cup of dust for janrinok
[12:22:13] <janrinok> your win, I believe
[12:22:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i'm good at irritating hatred
[12:22:54] <janrinok> did you get fite working the way you wanted yesterday?
[12:32:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar, it's all go now
[12:32:33] <janrinok> I'll still die on each attempt ...
[12:32:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> fite someone else who's level one or injured
[12:32:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fitectl scoreboard
[12:32:59] <MrPlow> #fite scoreboard updated: https://sylnt.us
[12:33:15] <janrinok> I tired that - he wasn't as injured as I thought!
[12:33:19] <janrinok> tried*
[12:33:27] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[12:36:11] <janrinok> ~tell crutchy I'm not quite sure what time you are usually online, but I'll try to get on earlier during the next few days to see if we can solve the problem
[12:42:34] <FatPhil> Ahhhhh, life is good
[12:42:52] <janrinok> ~gday FatPhil - how did the beer tasting go?
[12:42:53] * exec unnecessarily ships a raid 10 volume of pesos with FatPhil
[13:32:02] * Web_weasel joins in with a Hoegaarden
[13:38:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - National MagLab Racks Up New World Record With Hybrid Magnet - http://sylnt.us - very-attractive
[13:49:26] * cmn32480 heads out for a Cub scout service porject aht he really woudl rather not go on
[13:49:36] <cmn32480> my warm bed is calling me
[15:18:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Susceptibility to a Flu Determined by Your Very First Virus Encounter - http://sylnt.us - atchoo!
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[16:25:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, 777
[16:27:32] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[16:27:34] * exec theoretically gives birth to a safespace of unintended consequences for TheMightyBuzzard
[16:27:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[16:27:42] * exec derisively cyberbullies a barrel of bean curd at cmn32480
[16:28:12] * cmn32480 does not want to go out and finish removing the leaves
[16:28:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, no idea who won that one unless you dig bean curd
[16:28:32] <cmn32480> not in barrel quantities for cewrtain
[16:28:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait till they're done falling then do it all at once
[16:28:43] <cmn32480> can
[16:28:44] <cmn32480> t
[16:28:47] <cmn32480> too many
[16:29:04] <cmn32480> the mower can only handle a carpet so think, yanno?
[16:29:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what we're doing and we got a big damned mess of trees shedding on us
[16:29:19] <cmn32480> I back to woods with 3/4 acre to clear
[16:29:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, we was gonna rake them up and throw them in the ditch
[16:29:44] <cmn32480> my riding mower is the biggest damn leaf blower I got
[16:29:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> only a half acre here though and we got kids we're gonna put unto unpaid labor mode
[16:30:26] <cmn32480> my oldest is 8... very little help
[16:33:36] <cmn32480> can't reach the pedels on the mower yet
[16:36:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> give em a rake
[16:37:09] <boru> You aren't strategically feeding them growth hormones for accelerated work performance?
[16:37:13] <cmn32480> always ends in sword fights adn somebody crying
[16:37:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> even better. builds character.
[16:37:47] <cmn32480> I'd rather it ended up building a pile of leaves on the tarp
[16:38:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's just narrow minded of you
[16:40:30] <cmn32480> yeah
[16:40:32] <cmn32480> I know...
[16:40:48] <cmn32480> I have this nasty habit of wanting the stupid job done so that I only have to do it one time
[16:40:56] * cmn32480 shows himself to the corner
[16:41:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheating your kids out of valuable lessons with that mindset. and diving into big piles of leaves.
[16:42:39] <cmn32480> maybe the second go round
[16:43:06] <cmn32480> I still ahve >50% of the leaves on the trees here
[16:43:16] * cmn32480 is hoping for a big ass wind storm soon
[16:43:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> like every kid should know if you hit your sibling in the head with a rake handle, it makes your bottom hurt quite a lot.
[16:44:34] <cmn32480> they know that.. but often just don't care
[16:45:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, sometimes it's worth it
[16:45:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> teaches em to make snap value judgments well
[16:46:04] <cmn32480> problem is that I make snap spanking jusdgelemnt faster
[16:47:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> exactly, so they need to be able to decide very quickly whether what they're gonna get a spanking for is worth it or not
[16:47:13] <cmn32480> yep
[16:48:01] * cmn32480 is having an internal debate on finishing the leaves, or getting done the crap I need to et done for work
[16:48:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, calculate linux is workin in the vm and while it's abysmally slow to install or update anything, it does not have systemd in it.
[16:48:56] <cmn32480> the dev VM?
[16:49:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, just testing distros so i can get off a systemd one myself
[16:49:31] <cmn32480> ahhh
[16:50:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a gentoo-based distro but starts you out with pre-built packages for the install
[16:50:34] <boru> Sabayon?
[16:50:43] <cmn32480> bless you
[16:50:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> calculate. sabayon forces systemd on you like most everything else.
[16:51:37] * cmn32480 decides to skip work and leaves and play Doom
[16:51:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> excellent example of prioritizing
[16:52:09] <cmn32480> i figured you would approve
[16:52:23] * cmn32480 waits impatiently for the game to take 4 minutes to start
[16:53:14] <cmn32480> actaully it only takes about 90 seconds or so'
[16:55:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Even Physicists Are 'Afraid' of Mathematics - http://sylnt.us - you-can-count-on-it
[17:04:56] <FatPhil> #fite sedctl
[17:04:56] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[17:05:11] <MrPlow> #fite sedctl falls broken at FatPhil's feet.
[17:05:58] <FatPhil> #fite exec
[17:05:58] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[17:06:08] <MrPlow> #fite exec falls broken at FatPhil's feet.
[17:08:05] <FatPhil> #fite SoyGuest2398
[17:08:05] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[17:08:12] <MrPlow> #fite SoyGuest2398 falls broken at FatPhil's feet.
[17:08:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fitectl scoreboard
[17:08:42] <MrPlow> #fite scoreboard updated: https://sylnt.us
[17:09:10] <FatPhil> #fite SoyGuest4361
[17:09:10] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[17:09:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> dang, i been gettin me a few levels looks like
[17:09:18] <MrPlow> #fite SoyGuest4361 falls broken at FatPhil's feet.
[17:10:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheers, tied for the lead now
[17:10:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> minus NC
[17:15:50] * cmn32480 gets told to quit wasting time and get something done for the day...
[17:16:03] * cmn32480 <sighs> and turns off the vidya
[17:21:31] <FatPhil> DIY jobs for me when I get home.
[17:22:23] <cmn32480> leaves... new kid height rod n the closet... I'm sure she'll think of other stuff too
[17:48:23] <FatPhil> worst f1 race evar!
[18:05:54] janrinok is now known as zz_janrinok
[18:37:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Skin Pigment Could Help Strengthen Foams, Fabrics - http://sylnt.us - very-best-melanin-comes-from-the-highest-quality-albinos =)
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[19:22:05] <swiss> #fite exec
[19:22:05] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[19:22:08] <MrPlow> #fite swiss falls broken at exec's feet.
[19:22:13] <swiss> #fite stats
[19:22:13] * MrPlow looks around but doesn't see stats
[19:22:18] <swiss> #fitectl stats
[20:16:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Team Maps Genome of Black Blow Fly; May Benefit Human Health, Advance Pest Management - http://sylnt.us - blow-back-from-black-blow-fly-flyby-buys-guy's-died-time
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[20:19:27] <exec> welcome JamesNZ: Wellington, New Zealand 10:04 AM Chatham Island (GMT+13:45), 14°C/58°F, 9:19 am NZDT, Monday, 14 November 2016
[21:03:01] -!- BadCoderFinger [BadCoderFinger!~BadCoderF@216.160.gyz.km] has joined #Soylent
[21:04:28] <BadCoderFinger> Hi guys
[21:16:06] <julian> hi
[21:18:00] -!- khallow [khallow!~416662d0@65.102.rk.rvv] has joined #Soylent
[21:20:06] <khallow> howdy
[21:20:40] <BadCoderFinger> How are things?
[21:20:47] <khallow> pretty good
[21:20:55] <khallow> been ranting on the internet
[21:21:30] <khallow> who knew there were wrong people on my internet?
[21:21:55] <BadCoderFinger> Wrongness is a bit of an epidemic.
[21:22:43] <khallow> anyway, I've been spending a little time in Albuquerque
[21:22:52] <khallow> visited a friend and saw some local sights
[21:23:01] <khallow> ate a bunch of green chili too
[21:23:41] <BadCoderFinger> Green chilis are great, heh
[21:24:15] <khallow> was going up to Los Alamos today, but found out that the primary reason I was going, a book store, had shut down permanently two weeks ago
[21:26:12] <swiss> #fire khallow
[21:26:15] <swiss> er
[21:26:17] <swiss> #fite khallow
[21:26:17] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[21:26:17] <MrPlow> #fite How can you fight when you're dead? Try again tomorrow.
[21:26:19] <swiss> :(
[21:29:41] <khallow> #smite khallow
[21:29:58] <khallow> hmmm, I forget the commands
[21:33:27] <khallow> #fitectl status
[21:33:27] <MrPlow> #fite khallow level: 1, hp: 11, weapon: 'fist', armor: 'grungy t-shirt'
[21:33:53] <khallow> weird, what's this?
[21:35:21] <khallow> oh, it's that IRC RPG stuff I dimly recall hearing about
[21:36:34] <khallow> #fite khallow
[21:36:34] <MrPlow> #fite spam going to channel #fite
[21:36:40] <MrPlow> #fite khallow falls broken at khallow's feet.
[21:36:49] <khallow> victory!
[21:38:01] <khallow> #firectl status
[21:39:34] <khallow> well, hope I didn't break MrPlow
[21:46:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ultrafast Slow-Motion Microscope Sees a Single Molecule Vibrate - http://sylnt.us - whither-Heisenberg?
[22:04:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> tea++
[22:04:46] <Bender> karma - tea: 565
[22:05:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> khallow, you misspelled fitectl
[22:07:09] <khallow> Oh yea
[22:07:14] <khallow> #fitectl status
[22:07:14] <MrPlow> #fite khallow level: 1, hp: 0, weapon: 'fist', armor: 'grungy t-shirt'
[22:07:29] <khallow> I guess I better not beat myself up over that mistake
[22:16:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> wah wah wah
[22:17:01] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders finding some whiny clintonites to mock
[22:17:35] <khallow> anyway, I find myself perversely attracted to the political talk now that Trump got in
[22:18:00] <khallow> For example, how many of his eventual picks for cabinet will make it past a Republican congress?
[22:18:05] <swiss> khallow: ikr? It's like all the extremists have come out of the woodwork
[22:18:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> well he's definitely gonna be good for the economy. think of all the comedians whose jobs just got so much easier.
[22:18:32] <khallow> well. it's knocked over a lot of rocks
[22:18:39] <khallow> yea
[22:19:14] <swiss> well, the stock market is shooting up, and is due for a retrace. I have 20% gains on the week... debating liquidating everything, waiting for the drop, and buying back in
[22:19:32] <swiss> but the problem lies with trying to guess where the top is
[22:19:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> really though, if they don't want tossed out on their ass, the reps in congress better shut up and do as they're told for the most part.
[22:20:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> the only reason he got in is because even republicans utterly loathe them.\
[22:20:28] <swiss> he's actually advocated a more moderate position, at many times
[22:20:35] <swiss> attracted over a lot of moderats
[22:20:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[22:20:58] <swiss> then, after getting a lot of people to come over, Hillary turns around and tell them they're dumb and deplorable for liking Trump
[22:21:13] <swiss> so they said "Fuck that bitch, she doesn't understand my issues"
[22:21:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> well really, you don't get much more moderate than passing obamacare and everything else that crossed their plates over the last eight years.
[22:21:58] <swiss> Obamacare isn't fiscally conservative
[22:21:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, dude, yeah. she called half the nation cocksuckers essentially. not good strategy.
[22:22:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope
[22:22:18] <swiss> imo Trump is fiscally conservative, and socially liberal
[22:22:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's crony-capitalistic.
[22:22:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, pretty much except on immigration.
[22:22:47] <swiss> if it doesn't cost anything, Trump will always side on the "let them do whatever they want" side imo
[22:23:06] <swiss> ehhh, his big immigration policy is "enforce the goddamned law
[22:23:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's very honeybadger like that
[22:23:24] <swiss> esp with how much federal funding is going towards supporting illegal immigrants
[22:23:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. mine as well. i don't mind the law being a lot looser even but it damned well needs enforced.
[22:23:47] <swiss> but notice he talks about using Mexico's funds to pay for the wall
[22:23:54] <swiss> fiscally conservative
[22:23:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[22:24:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> seen his hundred day plan yet?
[22:24:14] <swiss> yeah
[22:24:20] <swiss> i'm on board with some, verymuch against others
[22:24:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'actually not very radical sides a few of them.
[22:24:34] <swiss> the "eliminate 2 regulations for every 1 new one" is fucking dumb
[22:24:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. we could go on like that for a thousand years.
[22:24:55] <swiss> that's going to be "deregulate what lobbyists want, put in new regulation that lobbists want too"
[22:25:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly, yeah.
[22:25:17] <swiss> if it was a democratic congress, that policy might not be the worst thing in the world
[22:25:27] <swiss> but in a rep/rep system, that policy is fucking stupid
[22:25:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> if he calls bullshit it might not either. he's hardly a party man.
[22:26:02] <swiss> I can't wait for Paul Ryan to get kicked to the curb
[22:26:13] <swiss> the latest I see Paul Ryan remaining in charge is June
[22:26:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. slimy little fuckweasel
[22:26:29] <chromas> He should do a reality show to pick his administration
[22:26:38] <swiss> I mean, i thought Boehner was a fucking slimeball
[22:26:55] <swiss> and Boehner came out and said "Shit's too slimy with the GOP, i can't do this anymore and feel morally right"
[22:26:58] <khallow> Paul Ryan might last. Congress is its own little world and he's got allies and tendrils in place
[22:27:10] <swiss> and Ryan comes out and says "Don't worry, I have no issues being a slimeball!"
[22:27:22] <swiss> nah, Ryan opposed Trump too openly
[22:27:35] <swiss> if the GOP wants to work with Trump, and not make an enemy of him, they'll have to replace Ryan
[22:27:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> depends on how big a swinging dick trump can keep
[22:28:01] <khallow> You can get away with a lot in Congress. I wouldn't count Ryan out anymore than I would have counted Trump out last year this time
[22:28:05] <swiss> also, if we become close allies with Russia, do we even NEED any of our other alliances?
[22:28:20] <swiss> Ryan will stay in congress, just not speaker of the house imo
[22:28:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> we can't really stay close allies with russia though
[22:28:44] <swiss> why couldn't we stay allies with Russia?
[22:29:00] <khallow> too many conflicts of interest
[22:29:04] <swiss> Allies with Russia means much more pressure on China
[22:29:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> we can manage not to kill each other but that's about it. putin's a bit of a ruthless cunt and the people of the us don't much care for him.
[22:29:18] <swiss> and much more pressure on OPEC
[22:29:29] <swiss> Russia loves Putin
[22:29:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> we ain't russia though
[22:30:03] <swiss> and I think we've been fed a lot of anti-putin propogands
[22:30:06] <swiss> propoganda*
[22:30:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's a better leader than we got and he has no love for us.
[22:30:24] <swiss> Putin loves Trump in power
[22:30:29] <swiss> and Putin hates Hillary
[22:30:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> that is not a good position to turn your back on Vlad
[22:30:57] <swiss> I'm not sayin to turn our back, but I'm saying to form alliances with Russia against southeast asia and the middle east
[22:31:19] <swiss> the UN can get in a tizzy, but what the fuck will they do without the US and Russia?
[22:31:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh we could do situational allies well enough but we ain't ever gonna be good friends.
[22:31:35] <khallow> Hard to say what Putin's game is here
[22:31:40] <swiss> I think the US is done being expansionist
[22:31:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, thas easy
[22:31:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> power
[22:32:02] <khallow> He might deliberately have played favorites to undermine Trump's credibility
[22:32:15] <swiss> khallow: he wants Ukraine back so his country has food, and he wants the middle east to produce oil and stop fighting with each other
[22:32:37] <swiss> khallow: day after Trump was elected Putin came and said he wants to restore positive relations with the US
[22:32:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, he's definitely better off with trump. hillary was much more politically savvy and ready to use him as a boogey man.
[22:33:09] <khallow> ok, I'll buy that
[22:33:31] <swiss> Honestly, we want about the same shit as Russia where there's a conflict of interest
[22:34:03] <swiss> we want the Middle East to calm their tits, we want cheaper items manufactured elsewhere, and we want China to stop attempting to own the internet
[22:34:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, actually, no on the manufactured elsewhere items
[22:34:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> donald's gonna push hard for tarrifs and ending trade agreements.
[22:35:01] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: eh, we want the profits, and we don't want to be in debt, but we want the items we're not manufacturing to cost the US less
[22:35:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> means he wants manufacturing jobs to come back.
[22:35:35] <swiss> it's a combo of 2 things. Jobs back to America (reduce debt) and grant us the opportunity to impose more tariffs
[22:35:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> mind you it'll also mean the end of uber cheap shit but then will the higher paying jobs offset that? dunno.
[22:35:55] <swiss> if we eliminate the trade agreement, they have to lower their prices to be competitive with the Tariff
[22:36:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> didn't work in the great depression. nothing but getting involved in wwii did though.
[22:36:30] <swiss> I think we should severely decrease our standing army
[22:36:47] <swiss> boots on the ground are okay, but we don't need them as much now
[22:37:02] <swiss> more UAVs, more computer scientists.
[22:37:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> as often. we don't need them as often. we still need the numbers though.
[22:37:26] <khallow> have to agree. and given the coming budget mess, we're going to need to compromise on multiple funding areas in order to get anything done
[22:37:27] <swiss> no, i mean as much. We can go into combat without exposing the human body to the enemy
[22:37:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> not paying them combat pay will shave a hefty bit off their costs though.
[22:37:54] <swiss> We have technology that we can produce, and we don't pay the tech a wage
[22:37:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> not effectively. you can destroy something with planes but you can't control it with them.
[22:38:15] <khallow> I think though something really, really needs to be done about military procurement
[22:38:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> absosmurfly
[22:38:31] <khallow> it's a disaster waiting to cripple the US in some coming war
[22:38:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> this coming from an army vet
[22:38:39] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: but with drones and such, you could significantly reduce the force necessary to control something
[22:38:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, drones can not be used for control. only destruction.
[22:39:08] <swiss> what are the boots on the ground doing that the drones aren't?
[22:39:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> being able to issue orders and react quickly.
[22:39:29] <swiss> military presence? Having drones monitoring overhead every so often is fine
[22:39:29] <khallow> interacting with the locals
[22:39:38] <khallow> sticking around
[22:39:57] <swiss> khallow: trying to make friends? That's not what our militants are known for...
[22:40:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> swiss, tell that to the japanese
[22:40:19] <khallow> infantry man has about a loiter time of six months to two years
[22:40:36] <swiss> TheMightyBuzzard: if you have a man behind a computer screen, with a joystick, he can still react and issue orders
[22:40:48] <khallow> I don't think there's anything more magical about Islamic fundamentalism than there was about Japanese militarism
[22:40:56] <swiss> men on the ground are eyes/ears, guns, and presence
[22:40:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, he can't. i mean orders to the natives
[22:41:10] <swiss> throw a loudspeaker on the drone
[22:41:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, very personal there. hearts and minds for sure would be ours.
[22:41:37] <swiss> we're not winning hearts and minds with our military
[22:41:43] <swiss> that's what diplomats are for
[22:41:53] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[22:42:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> put very plainly, a drone cannot do what a soldier can. not even a tenth of what a soldier can.
[22:42:43] <swiss> I'm not saying to get rid of all soldiers. I'm saying to reduce the force by at least 50%
[22:43:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> by 25% maybe. you don't get rid of your army if there are larger armies in the world.
[22:43:52] <swiss> if there's a larger army, we're not going to beat them by throwing more men with guns at them. We're going to bomb them
[22:44:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause nukes are a fine deterrent and all but only if you're willing to use them
[22:44:18] <swiss> I don't even mean nukes necessarily, but drone bombings, etc
[22:44:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> russia and/or china could go toe to toe with us militarily. drones would get laughed at.
[22:45:10] <swiss> China has an incredible advantage when it comes to population
[22:45:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> north korea is the one to watch currently and they have a million man army which will have to be dealt with by boots on ground.
[22:45:36] <swiss> and the fact that their ruler could say "All males will be going to war tomorrow" and they'd go, out of obediance
[22:45:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> the us cannot afford to even put a dent in a million men with drones. it would bankrupt us.
[22:45:58] <swiss> Instead, we put a dent by paying a million men of our own to stand by?
[22:46:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, boots are a LOT cheaper.
[22:46:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> check the pay scales. we made fuck-all when i was in.
[22:46:37] <swiss> Drones don't (or shouldn't) have as many ongoing costs
[22:46:53] <swiss> plus, don't forget the costs for the government after they leave active duty
[22:47:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> no but the up-front costs are kinda a bitch unless you're just wanting a little rc plane that can't shoot anyone or can only do it once.
[22:48:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> most vets don't bother with the VA and that's the only ongoing cost.
[22:48:03] <swiss> sure, up front costs are a bit of a bitch. But if we reduced by 25%, and allocated all of that towards unmanned attack vehicles, we'd be able to consistantly shrink
[22:48:15] <swiss> GI Bill is a cost
[22:48:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, true nuff
[22:49:00] <swiss> we're sticking with 1980s methods of war, because that's what everyone in charge remembers fighting
[22:49:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> never used mine. i spose i could still but i don't think i could make it through a semester without getting kicked out.
[22:49:23] <swiss> doesn't the GI bill also give yo ua housing loan?
[22:49:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> heard something about those but i think they're separate.
[22:50:07] <swiss> i know a couple vets who bought their houses with nothing down through the government's loan program
[22:50:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> not so much gives you as backs you if you fail to pay it back.
[22:50:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i personally dislike that program.
[22:51:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> it gets people to try to keep a house they can't afford.
[22:51:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> s/keep/go after/
[22:51:27] <sedctl> <TheMightyBuzzard> it gets people to try to go after a house they can't afford.
[22:52:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[22:52:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[22:52:08] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 203
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