#Soylent | Logs for 2016-09-27
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[23:55:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dev Teaches Bot to Talk Spammers' Ears Off - http://sylnt.us - sweet-sweet-honeypot
[23:53:14] <SirFinkus> lo khallow
[23:41:45] <khallow> greetings Earthlings
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[22:55:01] <PC-Police> ^ 03Trooper trips up Trump-transporting HOV lane cheater | KVAL
[22:55:00] <chromas> http://kval.com
[22:44:57] <Deucalion> balmy early autumn.. tres bon
[22:44:19] <exec> 10London, UK - currently 60°F / 16°C, mostly cloudy, wind SW at 6 mph, humidity 94% - Tuesday partly cloudy (53°F:66°F / 12°C:19°C), Wednesday mostly sunny (62°F:76°F / 17°C:24°C), Thursday showers (53°F:65°F / 12°C:18°C), Friday partly cloudy (51°F:63°F / 11°C:17°C)
[22:44:18] <Deucalion> ~weather
[22:43:55] <SirFinkus> MOTHERFUCKER
[22:43:26] <SirFinkus> good question
[22:39:43] <chromas> Did your google account come back too?
[22:39:37] <Bender> karma - woohoo: 14
[22:39:36] <chromas> woohoo++
[22:38:11] <SirFinkus> oh, chromas, my youtube shit mysteriously started working again today
[22:24:58] <Deucalion> Sounds great.... tie in some kind of blockchain work too... the world can feed itself and end all suffering with blockchains yaknow!
[22:20:21] <SirFinkus> one of the proposals was some kind of bittorrent distribution scheme with browser plugins and such
[22:19:06] <Deucalion> Oooh - it dates back to 2014... forget the above :D
[22:17:09] <Deucalion> It's worth looking who authored that PureContent type originally. I know NC had an idea to host slash / rehash virtual instances for others at one point in time - different skins etc for each but with the same central engine. That seemed to morph into the Nexus plan... I'm kinda vague on any of it tbh. If you can get him to sit still long enough, it's worth having a chat :D
[22:09:10] <exec> welcome crutchy: Melbourne VIC, 10°C/50°F, 8:09 am AEST, Wednesday, 28 September 2016
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[22:05:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Shape-Programmable Miniscule Robots - http://sylnt.us - innerspace
[20:52:09] <PC-Police> ^ 03Wiki: PureContent
[20:52:08] <SirFinkus> https://wiki.soylentnews.org
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[20:51:51] <SirFinkus> lots of wacky shit in the wiki
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[20:27:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Middlesbrough Trader Prosecuted for Selling Streaming Boxes Preloaded With Kodi - http://sylnt.us - streaming-pile-of-justice
[20:20:52] <Deucalion> mechanicjay, oooh so kickstart is a scripty thing for doing something like PXE / TFTP builds on new kit that needs to auto install itself?
[20:19:37] <Deucalion> Half an hour later the shit's finished updating and I've gone of the idea and close it again lol
[20:19:11] <mechanicjay> Deucalion: Yeah, it's pretty much just the kickstart stuff is a pain and has a very specific way of laying out the file for an unattended install.
[20:18:52] * Deucalion seriously needs to get their broadband faults sorted out.... open Steam every couple of days for a ~quick~ game of something and the bastard is either insisting on updating itself or one game or another wants to "update" itself by completely downloading itself again. Have these guys never heard of differential updates???
[20:15:52] <Deucalion> but sounds like mechj is more having issues with redhats init stuff rather than with /boot :)
[20:14:29] <Deucalion> but I can see sticking /boot on a partition on a write-protected micro-SD or pci-ssd in the server and only enabling write for it when doing an os update that will affect it. Then shove everything else on more generic storage. ~shrug~ I really don;t know how this stuff is done in the real world
[20:10:36] <Deucalion> can't see that being great for a headless server :P
[19:29:27] <chromas> grub handles it. Needs the password twice though
[19:28:56] <chromas> You can encrypt /boot now
[19:16:52] <Deucalion> All the / encrypt and raid stuff I've meddled with in amateur fashion seems to have required /boot to be available before any of the aforementioned can be brought up. But then grannies and sucking eggs comes to mind at this point
[19:14:21] * Deucalion understands the requirement but is decidedly blank on any practical guidance :) zfs I've never played with.... using mdraid for / ?
[19:09:46] <mechanicjay> I'm just a little bit out of my depth with the current task. I'm setting up a new box, software raid 1 on / and zfs pool for the data volume. Trying to get the RedHat kickstart file to work with the software raid is a major PITA.
[19:07:21] <mechanicjay> Yeah, I used to have a cover for about 20 hours of stuff, which I automated with cron.
[19:06:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> they usually ask him to do 80 hours of work in the week break between semesters.
[19:06:39] <mechanicjay> I've been just long enough now to get a reputation as "dude who knows how to get shit done." This is back-firing on my as I really do need to be getting shit done right now.
[19:06:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> oh, fun. I have a friend that does that for St Petersburg College here in Florida.
[19:05:47] <mechanicjay> IT staff supporting such
[19:05:03] <AndyTheAbsurd> mechanicjay: are you a student or a teacher of these classes?
[19:04:27] <Deucalion> no doubt all stuff that could have been done well ahead of time but is now top priority because some other disorganised turd didn't have their shit together :D
[19:03:02] <mechanicjay> classes start tomorrow. about 200% more last minute critical stuff to do than usual
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[19:02:46] * the_abyss screams back at mechanicjay
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[19:02:29] <Deucalion> sup mechanicjay ? Having "issues"?
[19:02:13] * mechanicjay screams into the abyss
[18:59:45] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v Deucalion] by Poseidon
[18:59:45] <Deucalion> .voice
[18:55:38] <Bender> karma - naps: 48
[18:55:38] <Statler> naps++
[18:46:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Transmission of New Virus Believed to Occur Between Farmed and Wild Fish - http://sylnt.us - virus-exchange
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[17:18:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 3-D Nanoprinting to Turbocharge Microscopes - http://sylnt.us - overcoming-tiny-problems
[16:05:43] <Bender> karma - naps: 47
[16:05:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> naps++
[16:05:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> and... nap time.
[15:47:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - BBC to Require Users to Log in to Access iPlayer From 2017 - http://sylnt.us - hammer-falls
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[14:17:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Autism and Evolution - http://sylnt.us
[14:11:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, damned eds
[14:09:55] <janrinok> ah, some bastard of an editor will only filter it out - oh, that's me ....
[14:09:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> .#submit oi, ya lazy fuckers, sub more stuff!
[14:08:31] <janrinok> I wish it would translate to actual contributing membership, although I am happy that we are being read
[14:08:10] weeds is now known as Statler
[14:07:34] <weeds> Longer visits, more pages visited, and going up instead of down. I'd say that was prety favorable. Soyent readers are more engaged and that's the goal.
[14:04:52] <janrinok> and me!
[14:04:46] <weeds> and the Statler and Waldorf types like me!
[13:57:55] <janrinok> lol
[13:57:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> though we do have our share of kiddos like EF and NC
[13:56:14] <janrinok> yep, more likely ....
[13:56:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> or the middle-aged folks who vaguely remember school
[13:43:14] <janrinok> perhaps we attract the younger, out-of-college types?
[13:42:44] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 155
[13:42:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[13:42:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[13:40:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit, man, we GAINED traffic over the summer. nobody does that.
[13:39:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> we been at it for two-ish
[13:38:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar but it took them 20 years or so to get where they are
[13:37:48] <janrinok> but still quite a bit to go
[13:36:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're closing the gap, slowly but surely
[13:35:59] <PC-Police> ^ 03soylentnews.org Analytics - See Traffic Ranking Stats
[13:35:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.similarweb.com
[13:32:53] <janrinok> that's quite an achievement for our lil' ole site
[13:32:26] <janrinok> ah, I love upside down graph axes...!
[13:29:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> we've dropped quite a bit just in the past three months
[13:29:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[13:27:44] <janrinok> I've never look at it - so lower is better?
[13:27:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> neat, our alexa rating is down under 400K
[13:26:53] <janrinok> should keep you busy'ish then
[13:26:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh plenty of both really
[13:24:39] <janrinok> are the rest biggies, or just niggles?
[13:21:20] <janrinok> so I noted :)
[13:21:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> great. got the issue tracker down to under 100
[13:20:49] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard, ~gday to you, how's things?
[13:20:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> afternoon, janrinok
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[13:08:42] * TheMightyBuzzard does the under 100 dance
[13:08:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> hot damn, Issues: 99 Open
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[13:03:40] <crutchy> betterr go or the missus might hurt me
[13:03:35] * exec crutchyly formulates a petabyte of medium salsa for #soylent
[13:03:33] <crutchy> ~gnight #soylent
[13:02:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> woah, you been talky
[13:00:27] <crutchy> ~tell cmn32480 updated the exec update script to be able to delete files. have a look at https://github.com should be securitah enough. deleted the old wiki scripts but unable to download the new ones till i update the update script again to make a new folder. will do that tomorrow
[12:58:08] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (162 aliases)
[12:57:58] <crutchy> ~rehash
[12:57:49] <crutchy> damn. need to make the path
[12:57:26] <exec> error downloading file (3)
[12:57:25] <exec> attempting to download https://raw.githubusercontent.com
[12:57:23] <crutchy> ~update-exec-file scripts/wiki/sn_wiki.php
[12:56:35] <exec> successfully deleted "/home/chris/Downloads/Exec/exec-irc-bot-master/scripts/wiki_lib.php"
[12:56:32] <crutchy> ~delete-exec-file scripts/wiki_lib.php
[12:56:25] <exec> successfully deleted "/home/chris/Downloads/Exec/exec-irc-bot-master/scripts/wiki.php"
[12:56:23] <crutchy> ~delete-exec-file scripts/wiki.php
[12:55:33] <exec> successfully saved downloaded content to "/home/chris/Downloads/Exec/exec-irc-bot-master/scripts/update.php"
[12:55:32] <exec> attempting to download https://raw.githubusercontent.com
[12:55:31] <crutchy> ~update-exec-file scripts/update.php
[12:46:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Windows 10 Will Soon Run Edge in a Virtual Machine to Keep You Safe - http://sylnt.us - harder,-stronger,-slower
[12:35:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, if i can clear two more issues we'll be back under a hundred
[12:34:18] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[12:34:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt if that ain't country
[12:33:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> so in a couple years
[12:33:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> i may revisit his monkey ass once perl6 gets mods worth a shit and documentation
[12:33:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> good nuff
[12:32:46] <crutchy> plow
[12:32:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> don or burger?
[12:32:22] <crutchy> for the king!
[12:32:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> or fight the powah or something
[12:32:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> for great justice!
[12:31:57] <crutchy> aw you meanie
[12:31:41] * TheMightyBuzzard snickers
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[12:31:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> .devoice Deucalion
[12:31:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> awe
[12:31:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> .unvoice Deucalion
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[11:40:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> nix the trash idea. too dark to see what i'm doing out there still.
[11:28:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, time for a smoke n to get the trash out
[11:15:16] <boru> Sounds like a web developer mantra, but I'd add 'take one down, patch it around, test in production, take out production, 127 bugs in the code..."
[11:10:17] <PC-Police> ^ 0399 little bugs in the code... - Imgur
[11:10:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://imgur.com
[11:05:20] <boru> I was just poking fun at committing before coffee, is all.
[11:04:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, oh probably some obscure thing that only three people on the site used but it'd been broken for ages.
[11:03:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, wut?
[10:55:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Mechanical Harmony to NASA's Webb Telescope Sunshield - http://sylnt.us - lots-of-bits
[10:54:08] <boru> What did it break?
[10:53:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> suck it bitches. one pull request in before i got half my first cup of coffee down.
[10:42:37] <MrPlow> Today: Sunshine and clouds mixed. High near 80F. Winds light and variable. Tomorrow: Sunny skies. High 87F. Winds WNW at 5 to 10 mph.
[10:42:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather 74872
[10:27:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2889
[10:27:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:17:37] <exec> The Glasgow Haskell Compilation system
[10:17:35] <crutchy> ~deb ghc
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[09:17:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ask Soylent: Where do you Keep your Keyboard? - http://sylnt.us - in-front-of-me
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[08:06:57] <exec> welcome crutchy: Melbourne VIC, 14°C/57°F, 6:06 pm AEST, Tuesday, 27 September 2016
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[04:54:21] <julian> But I've never had an Apple laptop die due to heat, provably. They do probably know their hardware safety margins more than me
[04:51:08] <julian> Cooler components last longer, and I want a laptop to last 6+ years
[04:50:55] <julian> I like Apple hardware, I just think they should be more aggressive with the fan speed
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[04:36:02] <SirFinkus> single data point etc
[04:36:01] <SirFinkus> heavily too
[04:35:45] <SirFinkus> been running my mbp for 4 years, hasn't melted yet
[04:31:12] <julian> I think they're optimizing for silence, even if it melts your hardware
[04:30:03] <SirFinkus> depends on what they're optimizing for
[04:29:39] <julian> on a MacBook Air, not even a super hot running computer
[04:29:18] <julian> I needed to use a 3rd party program to crank the fan RPM up to max (6500rpm) to avoid throttling
[04:28:14] <julian> We're having a heatwave here in Socal and it's really demonstrating how terrible Apple's thermal regulation code is
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[04:06:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Vaccine Against the Common Cold may be Achievable - http://sylnt.us - saving-tissues
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[03:31:34] <chromas> Goldwing. The RV of motorcycles
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[03:29:49] <Ethanol-fueled> may be back
[03:29:46] <Ethanol-fueled> Allright, gonna bail
[03:29:42] <SirFinkus> fat bottomed girls indead
[03:28:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Get a Gold Wing with the Mama on the back
[03:28:22] <Ethanol-fueled> https://upload.wikimedia.org
[03:26:35] <SirFinkus> all were very different
[03:26:13] <SirFinkus> great fucking business strategy
[03:26:01] <SirFinkus> by the end of the night, we'd all found something we liked
[03:25:28] <SirFinkus> it was more of an "ooooh, shiny"
[03:25:13] <SirFinkus> wasn't really looking at that part
[03:25:08] <SirFinkus> yeah, I got that much
[03:25:00] <Ethanol-fueled> Fink, on the lower part of the bike, like where the chain on a bicycle is, you can see a fat ribbed belt like 2 inches wide
[03:24:22] <Ethanol-fueled> I don't even have the balls to ride anything other than dirt-bike just yet.
[03:24:17] <SirFinkus> I don't know shit about bikes
[03:24:04] <Ethanol-fueled> I die a little inside when I see an expensive one with a belt-drive, but to each his own
[03:23:45] <SirFinkus> good marketing
[03:23:33] <SirFinkus> they all were different, I think anyone could find one they'd like
[03:23:17] <SirFinkus> I think I understand the appeal of bikes now
[03:22:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Noice
[03:22:02] <SirFinkus> the bandidos have a bar they hang out in in town so I know a little about them
[03:21:59] <Ethanol-fueled> Bikers are chill dudes, great to drink with
[03:21:27] <SirFinkus> idk if they're rivals or not
[03:21:21] <SirFinkus> hell's angels support club
[03:21:10] <SirFinkus> sons of hell were there too
[03:21:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Nice.
[03:20:58] <SirFinkus> we played a harley dealership last weekend
[03:20:55] <Ethanol-fueled> Sweet.
[03:20:51] <SirFinkus> yeah
[03:20:48] <Ethanol-fueled> The biker gang?
[03:20:35] <SirFinkus> oh, we might be playing for Bandidos in a few weeks
[03:18:39] * exec suspiciously blows a data stream of bewb at #Soylent
[03:18:37] <SirFinkus> awesome miniatures btw
[03:18:37] <Bytram> ~gnight #Soylent
[03:18:22] <SirFinkus> unless we go logans run
[03:18:19] <SirFinkus> with any healthcare system, the young are going to be subsidizing the old to some extent
[03:17:47] <Ethanol-fueled> True, fink...the recipients of the post-9/11 G.I. bill can attest to that, bahahah
[03:17:26] <SirFinkus> money has a habit of disappearing
[03:17:25] <Ethanol-fueled> Fink, lawmakers can always pull the rug out from under you. A lot can change between now and then.
[03:17:18] <SirFinkus> in theory anyway
[03:17:06] <SirFinkus> but won't get shit until you're older
[03:16:57] <SirFinkus> you pay into social security now
[03:16:50] <SirFinkus> the idea is you'll get the benefit when you're old
[03:16:20] <Ethanol-fueled> I get it, but the problem is that I get charged for it without receiving the benefits for it.
[03:15:23] <Ethanol-fueled> State-sponsored robbery.
[03:14:58] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: see previous statement
[03:14:24] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss - the problem is that people like me and younger folks are finding it too expensive and so drop out. Even though they pay a penalty, with too many people dropping out starves the program.
[03:14:21] <SirFinkus> which is really why it should just be single payer
[03:14:09] <SirFinkus> like social security
[03:14:03] <SirFinkus> I can kind of understand that though, since you're fairly young, you're subsidizing the old folks
[03:13:26] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: I don't agree with where they get the money for it, but the program needs to exist
[03:12:55] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, the difference is that before, I was paying nothing for no insurance. Now, I pay $250/mo for insurance or lose a fat chunk of change of money I don't even hace.
[03:12:49] <swiss> if insurance costs you $500/year, and you get in ONE accident in 60 years of driving that totals a $30k car, you saved money
[03:12:46] <SirFinkus> that sucks
[03:12:12] <swiss> but the same shit has occurred with car insurance. Car insurance has deals with shops to get their labor for cheaper
[03:12:06] <Ethanol-fueled> The cheapest plan they have here is around $250/mo
[03:11:56] <swiss> that's literally the way insurance works
[03:11:50] <swiss> on average, a person should be paying less in their lifetime (between insurance + doctors office visits) than they would if they didn't have insurance
[03:11:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Fink, you live in a cheaper state.
[03:11:38] <SirFinkus> so it works for me I guess
[03:11:27] <SirFinkus> I'm poor as fuck, and can afford to see a doctor now and get meds and shit
[03:11:15] <swiss> but insurance is supposed to be costing you more, in case you have a bad accident
[03:11:15] <Ethanol-fueled> I live in a liberal (read: heavy subsidization of illegals) state, so my rates are significant even for the poorfag version.
[03:10:39] <swiss> silicone ain't free yo
[03:10:35] <Ethanol-fueled> Fink, no, I don't think so. If somebody is too poor (as I occasionally am) to pay the mandatory monthy quota of fees, then we get dinged fat through out tax refund.
[03:10:31] <swiss> oh, no, those cost more
[03:10:25] <SirFinkus> we know it was really breast implants
[03:10:21] <swiss> not lying
[03:10:19] <SirFinkus> don't lie
[03:10:08] <swiss> without insurance, and without the local rate, it cost $50
[03:09:58] <swiss> I had surgery on my foot in the bahamas after an accident
[03:09:46] <SirFinkus> Japan has something similarish
[03:09:39] <swiss> but if they pass it to the ratepayers, the ratepayers just jump to the government offering
[03:09:38] <SirFinkus> obamacare is a little better than we used to have
[03:09:24] <Ethanol-fueled> I like that idea, as long as they can't pass it to the ratepayers.
[03:09:22] <swiss> force insurance companies to subsidize government insurance, until they beat the rates that government insurance is offering
[03:08:58] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: we tax insurance companies until it is
[03:08:46] <swiss> This shit is so corrupt and illegal
[03:08:45] <Ethanol-fueled> So if Obamacare isn't sustainable, then what happens?
[03:08:22] <swiss> Doctor "Deal."
[03:08:19] <SirFinkus> the AMA literally has a meeting in new york to determine prices for medical procedures
[03:08:16] <swiss> insurance company "We'll tell our patients to go to your office, but only charge us 80% of what you charge to other patients."
[03:07:55] <swiss> but collusion between doctors and insurance companies have caused this
[03:07:52] <Ethanol-fueled> That is true, agreed.
[03:07:43] <swiss> which isn't how insurance is supposed to work
[03:07:31] <swiss> you're really buying a coupon book when you buy insurance
[03:07:13] <swiss> so it "shows" them paying half, but maybe they're only paying a tenth of that
[03:06:56] <swiss> why do you think the different insurance companies are taken at different offices? It depends on the rates they negotiated with the office
[03:06:38] <Ethanol-fueled> Fink, and they're subject to a lower standard of care.
[03:06:35] <swiss> Which isn't technically fraud, because they pay off the lawmakers to keep it from being called fraud
[03:06:32] <SirFinkus> might as well cut out the middle man profit center (insurance companies)
[03:06:13] <SirFinkus> you're basically subsidizing people who can't pay anyway every time you go to the doctor
[03:05:54] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: the insurance companies have different negotiated rates with the doctors.
[03:05:48] <Ethanol-fueled> Outside of fraud?
[03:05:42] <SirFinkus> it seems to work reasonably well in other countries
[03:05:42] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss - how does that happen?
[03:05:27] <swiss> Ethanol-fueled: the disgusting part is that a doctor's office can make more off an uninsured patient than an insured one
[03:05:24] <SirFinkus> I think we should just go single payer and be done with it
[03:05:08] <Ethanol-fueled> No joke - such is the difference between insured and uninsured.
[03:04:56] <swiss> by "we" i mean "the government"
[03:04:55] <Ethanol-fueled> Fink, the good thing about America's healthcare is that you won't die, it'll just be a choice between making a full recovery or living the rest of life as a paraplegic
[03:04:41] <SirFinkus> you're going to doctor shop when you have a heart attack?
[03:04:41] <swiss> forcing the collusion group to drop prices
[03:04:31] <swiss> and the only way we can fix that is to either break up the collusion, or start our own competitor that's reasonable
[03:04:30] <Bytram> and no profit
[03:04:05] <swiss> SirFinkus: healthcare could be free market if there wasn't collusion and corruption
[03:04:01] <Ethanol-fueled> having a free market for any essential service run by a collusion or monopoly is a bad idea
[03:03:49] <sea> er, I need to know the URL
[03:03:43] <sea> I need to borrow it
[03:03:41] <swiss> a year ago, he was basically the republican party without the stupid ethical and religious shit
[03:03:40] <sea> Does anyone have an http-only site?
[03:03:34] <SirFinkus> don't want to pay for our services? well you can fucking die in that case
[03:03:33] <Ethanol-fueled> Fink knows this.
[03:03:19] <SirFinkus> healthcare isn't a free market, since providers have the ultimate leverage
[03:03:01] <Ethanol-fueled> I want to throw out obamacare as well
[03:03:01] <SirFinkus> lol
[03:02:54] <swiss> and wanted to "trust the free market with healthcare"
[03:02:38] <swiss> and suddenly he was Pro Life, wanted to punish women who had abortions, and wanted to throw out obamacare
[03:02:16] <swiss> then there was the Paul Ryan meeting
[03:02:12] <swiss> Wanted to improve obamacare
[03:01:57] <swiss> He also supported Obamacare ideology (though he said Obamacare didn't work very well)
[03:01:40] <SirFinkus> immigration is kind of lower on my list than "hey, maybe we shouldn't be torturing people"
[03:01:26] <swiss> Also, a year ago, he supported Planned Parenthood during the "fetus selling" debacle
[03:01:20] <SirFinkus> but he fails several of my litmus tests
[03:01:07] <SirFinkus> then, I'd agree with him on that issue
[03:00:59] <Ethanol-fueled> Let's face it - the national guard doesn't do shit these days other than collect a paycheck
[03:00:55] <swiss> SirFinkus: But that was really part of his thing a year ago. Enforce the laws, then fix the immigration process so that it can really be used
[03:00:30] <SirFinkus> trump says a lot of things
[03:00:29] <Ethanol-fueled> Then I'd destroy the Middle-east, including israel, but sparing Iran
[03:00:26] <swiss> julian: that's post-paul-ryan Trump, who I'm less on board with :/
[03:00:20] <SirFinkus> lol
[03:00:16] <Ethanol-fueled> Fink, I'd station the National Guard on the border and shoot on sight anybody who doesn't have papers or cross legitimately
[03:00:10] <julian> swiss: like I said, they want the laws changed, too. He floated the idea of banning Muslim immigration
[03:00:01] <swiss> SirFinkus: Trump has said that as well though
[02:59:43] <SirFinkus> I'd make us harsher on illegal immigration and border security, but make it much easier to enter legitimately
[02:59:42] <swiss> julian: people were calling him racist when he was simply advocating to enforce current laws
[02:59:11] <SirFinkus> if I was in charge
[02:58:53] <swiss> SirFinkus: agreed. Though I'd imagine that having to account for so much illegal immigration restricts the number of legal immigrants we want to allow
[02:58:50] <julian> I'll meet him halfway though, more than that. We do need to protect our border--especially ports. Did you know we still don't scan all shipping containers for radioactive material?
[02:58:37] <SirFinkus> that path to citizenship costs 10s of thousands of dollars
[02:58:26] <swiss> julian: and when he says "Build a wall, and kick illegal immigrants out," how is that "making the laws much harsher"
[02:58:08] <SirFinkus> should be easier to legit come to the states
[02:58:04] <julian> "Just enforce the immigration laws!" is disingenious when you're also advocating changing the laws to be much harsher
[02:58:01] <SirFinkus> immigration is fine imo, just need to document the people coming in, for our benefit, and theirs too
[02:57:23] <julian> Although Trump walked back that statement
[02:57:20] <swiss> The middle ground is there to exploit illegal immigrants
[02:57:18] <julian> swiss: they don't just want to enforce the laws, they want them changed and drastically tightened with things like religious tests for immigration
[02:57:07] <swiss> Personally, I just want our actions to reflect our laws. if we have open borders, I'm cool with it. If we restrict our borders, i'm cool with it
[02:56:55] <julian> White nativism and/or nationalism (the scary bad kind) is the one thing most Trump supporters believe in common
[02:56:36] <swiss> also, I find it hillarious that enforcing border laws is "all future immigrants are illegal"
[02:56:16] <swiss> julian: i think you're assuming a lot of things about trump supporters that aren't true
[02:56:02] <PC-Police> ^ 03Rebel Meets Rebel - Cherokee Cry - YouTube
[02:56:01] <SirFinkus> almost everything about this song is shit, but that main guitar riff is great https://www.youtube.com
[02:55:54] <julian> Anne Coulter said as much: do whatever you want, Trump, just get the illegals out
[02:55:38] <exec> welcome chromas: Walla Walla, WA, USA, 21°C/69°F, 7:55 pm GMT-7, Monday, 26 September 2016
[02:55:37] <julian> swiss: his supporters really don't care what he says. They just want the illegals out, and the laws changed so all future immigrants are illegal
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[02:55:28] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, that's some spooky shit, then. Or Trump's a genius.
[02:55:05] <julian> *they're
[02:55:02] <swiss> interesting
[02:55:01] <swiss> ABC's poll is showing trump winning
[02:54:49] <julian> I think they had plans to do that if they started losing a conventional war. Thankfully their the strongest military in the ME and it never came to that
[02:54:44] <Ethanol-fueled> The Russkies adpoted it a year or few ago as a nod to that, implicitly making it a "far" tactic in a war against the West.
[02:54:12] <Ethanol-fueled> julian, that is true.
[02:53:57] <julian> Isn't that an Israeli doctrine?
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[02:53:27] <Bytram> well, as much as I'd like to chat, I need some shuteye -- tomorrow is a work day for me.
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[02:53:13] <Ethanol-fueled> The Samson option, contrary to popular belief, is not total destruction, rather, it is using nuclear warfare as a defensive measure while losing a conventional war.
[02:53:13] <SirFinkus> it's been a little "world warry" the past 10 years or so
[02:52:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Which means internment if not execution for bad idealogues, devastating wars, possibly escalating to nuclear given that Russia is on the record embracing the Samson option.
[02:52:18] <Bytram> Justonce, when Trump interrupted Hillary, I'd like to have seen her make a loud stage cough, wait, and then give him the 'Evil Eye' like only a mother can do, and suggest that he needed a timeout for that behavior.
[02:51:36] <Ethanol-fueled> The big issues that we have to worry about now is that, now that the deep-state has won, we have to prepare for America being the next Nazi Germany.
[02:51:11] <SirFinkus> hillary seems maybe 1% less bad
[02:51:02] <SirFinkus> they both seem almost equally bad
[02:51:00] <Bytram> He who would give up essential freedom for temporary security deserves neither freedom nor security" (Ben Franklin -- from memeory so might be off on a few words ther.)
[02:50:44] <SirFinkus> idgaf at this point
[02:50:31] <Ethanol-fueled> Fink, Trump had plenty of ammo to go for the jugular, and he didn't. It was thrown or something else.
[02:50:17] <SirFinkus> lmao
[02:50:08] <Bytram> I would rather they paid more attention to freedom from overreach by the federal gov't into the lives of Americans
[02:49:42] <SirFinkus> trump should have said "so people of color are the 'wrong guys?'"
[02:49:25] <SirFinkus> hillary brought up gun shit during the racial debate, said she wanted to keep the guns out of the hands of the wrong guys
[02:49:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Yup, which is what makes the whole thing suspicious
[02:48:57] <SirFinkus> trump missed a good opportunity
[02:48:28] <Bytram> You expected them to say "we should do bad stuff, not good stuff, because that is what our corporate bribes^W supporters say we should do."
[02:48:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Actually, there are two big possibilities - Trump was in on it all along and threw it, or Hill-dawg dangled evidence of his trips aboard Epstein's "Loli Express" in front of his face before the debate.
[02:47:50] <Bytram> so much for honesty?
[02:47:32] <SirFinkus> aside from the generic "we should do good stuff, not bad stuff"
[02:47:19] <SirFinkus> I don't think I agreed with anything either of them said
[02:47:03] <SirFinkus> I'm sure
[02:47:02] <Bytram> did you think of maybe watching on a different channel? ABC, NBC, CBS, and I'm sure a bunch of others were covering it.
[02:46:44] <Ethanol-fueled> Fink, it was some Goebbels shit - all that applause...canned
[02:46:33] <SirFinkus> enough that I had to adjust the volume on my laptop
[02:46:26] <SirFinkus> just the levels constantly changing
[02:46:11] <Bytram> you mean you had audio problems?
[02:46:03] <SirFinkus> THREE
[02:46:02] <SirFinkus> he has 3 fucking mics to manage during the debate
[02:45:37] <SirFinkus> the NBC sound guy was fucking SHIT
[02:45:11] <Bytram> I was waiting for Hillary, at one point, to counter Donald's advocation for more stop and frisk with a simple "So, what you are saying is that our nation should move to: 'Papers Please.'?"
[02:45:08] <SirFinkus> jesus
[02:45:07] <SirFinkus> well, so one of those is going to be president
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[02:43:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Well, the deep-state and "democracy" win again. Time for WWIII!
[02:42:12] <Bytram> btw, this was the first time I watched TV since the Superb Owl.
[02:42:11] <julian> Well that was a loss for Trump, IMO
[02:41:58] <Ethanol-fueled> he said almost verbatim, "My corporate lawyers have instructed me not to say anything about it, let's just forget about it, it didn't happen. "
[02:41:25] <Ethanol-fueled> I remember when he had to actually address it on his FoxNews TV segment
[02:41:06] <PC-Police> ^ 03The History of New York Scandals - Bill OReilly Sexual Harassment Lawsuit -- New York Magazine
[02:41:06] <Ethanol-fueled> http://nymag.com
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[02:40:26] <Bytram> orly? ROFL!
[02:40:15] <julian> Autocorrect strikes again
[02:40:04] <Ethanol-fueled> because, apparantly, falafels and loofas are the same thing.
[02:39:54] <Ethanol-fueled> The joke is that he was making inappropriate advancements towards...what, a female coworker? And was discussing massaging her down with a falafel
[02:39:36] <Bytram> methnks that if they had trouble with WiFi from Hoffstra U before the debate, let's see how it holds up as the press tries to push their stories out all at the same time!
[02:39:19] <Ethanol-fueled> It from Bill O' Reilly "Honorable Catholic" 's sexual harassment alligations
[02:38:38] * Bytram didn't know about Bill O'Reilly joker.
[02:38:01] <Ethanol-fueled> Bytram, the sad thing is that I'm probably the only other motherfucker in this channel who recognizes that as a Bill O' Reilly joke
[02:37:58] <julian> Funny that Obama takes flack from both sides; conservatives think he's not tough enough, liberals hate his expansive drone war
[02:37:05] <Bytram> you spelled falafel funny
[02:36:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Under Obama we have Operation Foofey Loofah
[02:36:28] <PC-Police> ^ 03Wiki: Operation Linebacker
[02:36:27] <Ethanol-fueled> https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:36:26] <Ethanol-fueled> Under Nixon we had Linebacker and Linebacker II
[02:34:19] <Ethanol-fueled> Which was why he was removed from power, just as Bill Clinton was...just in different ways.
[02:34:06] <Ethanol-fueled> he couldn't do it without popular support, and besides, to put an early end to the war would have made it a lot less profitable to those behind the scenes.
[02:33:20] <Ethanol-fueled> julian, he did, but those pinkos back home stopped him
[02:32:28] <julian> Didn't Nixon say he had a secret plan for defeating the communists in Vietnam, but he wouldn't tell anyone
[02:32:01] <julian> Didn
[02:30:35] <Ethanol-fueled> No way in hell China would actually use those morons for anything, well, actually useful to their aims.
[02:30:24] <julian> That's been their racket for 30+ years
[02:30:06] <Ethanol-fueled> When NK throws another missile or two, then they want food gibs
[02:29:28] <julian> Oh wow, he totally doesn't understand the dynamic between China and N.Korea
[02:27:00] <julian> I think that was an accident, he's talking about doing it on purpose and telling them it was on purpose
[02:26:47] <Ethanol-fueled> It would be a big shitstorm that both nations would try to de-escalate fast
[02:26:24] <Ethanol-fueled> julian, to be fair, if turkey's shooting down of a Russkie plane didn't start a war, then I doubt firing on an iranian boat will
[02:25:58] <swiss> and she announced it
[02:25:55] <swiss> I think Clinton won when her site put up the fact checker for the debate tonight
[02:25:53] <julian> *doing it now
[02:25:48] <julian> Just said destroying an Iranian ship wouldn't start a war
[02:25:35] <julian> And he's doing it not, in real time
[02:24:41] <Ethanol-fueled> Calling them "hyperbole" etc etc
[02:24:40] <julian> centrifuges whirling away...until Stuxnet
[02:24:27] <Ethanol-fueled> The only thing that would save him is to claim that he said those things ironically, and if taken literally, indicate lack of deeper intelligence.
[02:23:40] <julian> Like the Chinese global warming hoax one
[02:23:30] <julian> They should have just printed out his Tweets that refute his own words he's speaking now
[02:23:18] <Ethanol-fueled> It was a given that the "moderators" and perception would be stacked against him, but still, he could have easily won or at least tied.
[02:22:36] <swiss> but the interviewer did ask more "Why did you say different things in the past" questions to him
[02:22:32] <julian> Did he just say the Iraq war started in 2004?
[02:22:12] <swiss> isn't gonna convince anyone who was on the fence with what he's saying tonight
[02:21:59] <swiss> he is losing this one imo
[02:20:11] <Ethanol-fueled> Even my most diehard conservative pals are saying trump is getting his ass beat
[02:17:51] <Ethanol-fueled> Hah...as if Twitter could possibly be any more worthless
[02:17:35] <Ethanol-fueled> And not in the "I donated to your campaign so I get to be the ambassador to Nigeria" kind
[02:17:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Disney Considering Bid for Twitter - http://sylnt.us - bids-limited-to-140-chars
[02:17:06] <Ethanol-fueled> So you say what will get you elected, then surround yourself with experts...and hope that they're they right experts for the jobs
[02:16:36] <julian> And those limited domains aren't useful for the job he's running for
[02:16:01] <julian> I think he's just not very smart. He's intuitive in very limited domains, but that's not the same thing as general intelligence
[02:15:24] <Ethanol-fueled> He's decent at hiding it, but it slips out here and there during his speeches.
[02:15:09] <Ethanol-fueled> Trump has language problems, perhaps some kind of speech impediment stemming from childhood
[02:14:38] <swiss> julian: i love the cyber
[02:14:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Good idea, buzzard.
[02:13:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i need some ice cream and bed. i'll pretend to give a damn about the two shitbirds pulling each other's hair out tomorrow after coffee.
[02:13:55] <Ethanol-fueled> all protestors will be forced into FEMA camps
[02:13:46] <Ethanol-fueled> WWIII incoming
[02:13:14] <julian> What the hell was that? Trump uses the word "cyber" as a noun
[02:12:49] <Ethanol-fueled> And an in memoriam trubute to Vince Foster
[02:12:24] <Ethanol-fueled> swiss, we need cameos from Gennifer Flowers and Paula Jones
[02:12:06] <swiss> jill stein in the debates for comic relief
[02:11:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally i want it to get suicide bombed
[02:11:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Wise move goin' fishin' though, the depate is depressing no matter who you want to win or lose.
[02:11:03] <Ethanol-fueled> Buzard, I'm not watching it per se, i turned it on for a few seconds, turned it back off, then checked in the commentary every few seconds to hope for an upset.
[02:10:28] <Ethanol-fueled> Welp - the deep state has won. The final "competitor" has thrown the fight.
[02:10:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ethanol-fueled, why the hell you watching that nonsense? i went fishing to avoid it.
[02:10:19] <swiss> he just needs to bring up emails, and really question her
[02:10:00] <Ethanol-fueled> He should be doing better despite Hillary's advantages.
[02:09:39] <Ethanol-fueled> Trump getting BTFO
[02:09:32] <exec> welcome Ethanol-fueled: San Diego, CA, USA, 33°C/92°F, 7:09 pm GMT-7, Monday, 26 September 2016
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[02:08:36] <chromas> #smake the db
[02:08:23] <exec> 03[2014-09-06 04:58:0] #Soylent -*- aqu4 gives arti a cold can of beer
[02:08:10] <chromas> ~random nick=aqu4
[02:05:24] <exec> http://chromas.0x.no
[02:05:24] <exec> 03Ops: random, first, last, all, count, source. Parameters: message, nick, channel (regex); since, until (date-/time range); limit (maximum messages to return; default is 1, unless op=all); type [message (plain+action; default), plain, action, nick, mode, join, part, quit, kick, kill, topic]; out [json, php, tab, irc, message, html]; debug (show the query and whatever else)
[02:05:22] <Bytram> ~last -help
[01:47:16] * Bytram is listening to debate, and trying to get some stories to put out so the site does not go 'dry'
[01:45:53] <chromas> How about some politics and celeb gossip? :D :D
[01:45:13] <chromas> I haven't looked into it because reading is for chumps, but I figured "dongles" included USB cell modems
[01:44:24] <Bytram> btw, story submission queue is pretty empty atm; could use a few good submissions atm
[01:44:00] <Bytram> don't use a personal hotspot, maybe? Use a wired connection between phone and laptop, maybe?
[01:34:36] <sea> It's not sexual harassment against men. You can't sexually harass men, coz of the patriarchy.
[01:34:15] <chromas> Dongle ban? That's sexual harassment!
[01:33:58] <chromas> "so what happens now? Does the dongle ban get dropped, or are journalists just offline for the rest of the evening?"
[01:05:45] <PC-Police> ^ 03emily (((dreyfuss))) on Twitter: "Aaaaaaaaand the $200 Wi-Fi Hofstra forced the reporters to buy at the #debate? It's down."
[01:05:45] <Bytram> https://twitter.com
[01:05:36] <PC-Police> ^ 03Journalists must fork over $200 for Wi-Fi at presidential debate | Ars Technica
[01:05:36] <Bytram> http://arstechnica.com
[01:02:37] <PC-Police> ^ 03Journalists hit with $200 Wi-Fi bill for presidential debates - CNET ( https://www.cnet.com )
[01:02:36] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
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