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[00:28:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - "Unbreakable" Encryption with Shorter Keys and Quantum Data Locking - http://sylnt.us - where-is-the-backdoor?
[00:29:49] <chromas> Then shouldn't we use longer kets with quantum data locking?
[00:34:12] <SirFinkus> naw, we should use hydrocoptic marsal vanes mounted on a basal platen
[00:36:54] <chromas> No
[00:37:11] <chromas> I know what some of those words are so the concept's not hip enough
[00:39:43] <crutchy> its gotta have "mega" in it
[00:40:17] <crutchy> oh wait that's sooo 80's. better make that "ultra"
[00:40:45] <chromas> cybercloud
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[02:06:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - This Crowdfunded Electric Car Integrates Solar Panels for Self-charging - http://sylnt.us - free-juice-from-the-sky
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[02:56:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - This Crowdfunded Electric Car Integrates Solar Panels for Self-Charging - http://sylnt.us - free-juice-from-the-sky
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[03:45:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Breakthrough in Moving Small Objects Using Acoustics - http://sylnt.us - sounds-good-to-me
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[04:29:35] <mechanicay> woot, IRC from VMS!
[04:34:00] <mecctro> vms?
[04:34:42] <swiss> hopefully not openvms
[04:38:10] <mecctro> why not?
[04:38:24] <mechanicay> Yes, openVMS!
[04:38:41] <mechanicay> on a c. 1994 Alpha workstation.
[04:38:59] <mecctro> hm, never heard of it.
[04:40:29] <swiss> i've dealt with them
[04:40:45] <swiss> shittiest system mentality of any i've dealt with
[04:41:01] <swiss> "We're most secure, we won't even program the ability to offload our logs"
[04:41:07] <swiss> "Everyone should log to us!"
[04:41:36] <mecctro> that might be useful, but pretty niche.
[04:42:07] <swiss> not really
[04:42:17] <mechanicay> VMS was first implented on VAX in '76. Was an evolution of the OSes that ran on the PDP-11
[04:42:31] <swiss> in an enterprise *everything* needs to send its audit logs to another system for backup and record
[04:42:36] <mecctro> like a cluster of backup systems that need only write, for permanant store.
[04:42:39] <mechanicay> It went through an architecture change to Alpha in the early 90s, then to Itanium in the 2000's
[04:43:17] <mechanicay> HP has let it languish, but VMS Software worked some deal out and are working on a port to x86
[04:43:31] <mecctro> interesting, how has it staid afloat all these years?
[04:43:44] <mechanicay> When I boot this machine from 1994, it say" openVMS, copywrite 1976-2010"
[04:44:08] <mechanicay> It's still used in a lot of backend processing, industrial and government systems
[04:44:16] <swiss> i hope it actually says copyright
[04:44:27] <mechanicay> yeah, I'm just an idiot ;)
[04:44:39] <swiss> mecctro: because when shit is functioning in an enterprise, you don't touch it
[04:44:50] <swiss> emphasis on "shit" in this case
[04:45:17] <mecctro> I'm not saying that's how I'd do it, I'm just saying that's the only way I could think to play devils advocate swiss lol
[04:46:12] <mecctro> So... what's the deal with this alpha kit mechanicay?
[04:46:49] <mechanicay> I wouldn't say it's shit, just a very old design.
[04:48:03] <mecctro> I just was looking at their website, said they have an alpha release.
[04:48:44] <mechanicay> It's a 225 Mhz processor. Alpha was a true 64 -bit architecture when like 32-bit PC stuff was just starting to mature.
[04:49:04] <mechanicay> This particular box is DEC 3000 workstation.
[04:50:16] <mecctro> interesting, so how does the architecture differ from x86, functionaly speaking?
[04:50:23] <mechanicay> I've got 192 Mb of ram, it can take upto 512 MB, but finding the propretary 200pim SIMM chips to fill out a memory array is like...one part expensive to two parts impossible
[04:50:41] <mechanicay> mecctro: I don't really have any idea.
[04:52:34] <mecctro> any idea how well, if at all, emulation of itanium of x86_64 is?
[04:54:24] <mechanicay> I don't think there's any x86 emulation with Itanium, which I think is one of the reasons is kinda tanked, because it was completely incompatible with 80% of the install base.
[04:54:48] <mechanicay> You have to kind of give Intel credit for wanting to do a cleansheet 64 bit design...
[04:55:08] <mechanicay> but then AMD was like, how about this backwards compatible 64 bit extion to X86?
[04:55:24] <mechanicay> and the industry was like, FUCK YEAH!
[04:55:27] <mecctro> there have been a lot of interesting designs over the years, I'm just not very familiar with hp branch stuff.
[04:55:38] <mecctro> indeed lol
[04:56:52] <mechanicay> That's kinda why I like playing with some older stuff. X86 is ubiquitous, ARM is around but kinda slow....
[04:57:11] <mecctro> I've had some good good fun with different ibm servers.
[04:57:39] <mechanicay> x86 is to computing as the small block chevy is to the autmotive world. It's cheap and provides decent performance.
[04:57:50] <mecctro> wish I could fine a cheap sturdy solaris server to toy with.
[04:58:01] <mecctro> find*
[04:58:44] <mecctro> servers older than mean, multiple CPU "cards"
[04:59:18] <mecctro> than me*
[04:59:46] <mecctro> back when people were still experimenting with core computing concepts
[05:00:04] <mecctro> everything is moving so fast now, I feel dizzy trying to keep up.
[05:00:14] <mechanicay> https://en.wikipedia.org
[05:00:15] <DarthTrump> ^ 03Wiki: DEC 3000 AXP
[05:00:49] <mecctro> ah, MIPS
[05:01:28] <mechanicay> I passed up a free sun sparc station about 7 years ago -- been kicking myself ever srince.
[05:01:39] <mecctro> oh, nevermind "inherited features of MIPS"
[05:02:45] <mecctro> oh man, this place was throwing some out into a dumpster, I was quite a bit younger and had no idea. Just piles of sun sparc servers.
[05:03:15] <mecctro> probably gutted, but I wish I knew more then.
[05:03:42] <mechanicay> Oh, the best feature of an Alpha is the heatwash you get next to the box. This sucker burns like 300 watts at full bore or idle, doesn't matter. I'm actulaly like overheating here as it dumps heat under my desk lol
[05:03:57] <mecctro> lmao
[05:04:50] <mechanicay> I gotta bounce, nice talking to you mecctro
[05:04:51] <mecctro> these things had a lot of features
[05:05:08] <mecctro> see ya later mechanicay
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[05:10:37] <crutchy> big split on freenode just now
[05:10:47] <crutchy> a channel i was in went from 250-odd down to 10
[05:17:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dormant Bacteria in Blood Could Cause Diseases - http://sylnt.us - vampires-beware
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[06:37:38] <mecctro> I hadn't noticed crutchy
[06:40:09] <crutchy> apparently it only appeared as a huge split for me cos i was on the splitting server
[06:40:38] <crutchy> i'm still there. its still working. hasn't joined back yet. no services but otherwise working ok
[06:58:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Engineers Develop the ‘Potalyzer’ — a Roadside Saliva Test for Marijuana Intoxication - http://sylnt.us - know-who-you-are-French-kissing
[08:25:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Two Men Charged With Hacking CIA Director and Other High-Ranking Officials - http://sylnt.us - ask-Kevin-Mitnick-if-social-engineering-is-hacking
[08:57:47] <SoyGuest50826> n.p. https://www.youtube.com
[08:57:48] <DarthTrump> ^ 03Thank Christ For The Bomb - Groundhogs - YouTube
[08:57:52] <SoyGuest50826> morning all
[08:58:05] SoyGuest50826 is now known as FatPhil
[09:00:48] <FatPhil> hooray, the pub's now open
[09:03:28] <FatPhil> any good threads to troll, I still have the boost on and am well up for aiming at the insightful/flamebait divide! :-D
[09:05:20] <FatPhil> you score shouldn't be capped at 50, as I'm always at 50 unless I really accurately hit the insightful/flamebait pressure point, and get some -1s. It should still increase linearly, but then decrease with exponential decay
[09:17:30] <FatPhil> n.w. http://thisisindecline.com
[09:17:31] <DarthTrump> ^ 03Indecline :: The Flicks - The Emperor Has No Balls
[10:07:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Containing Our 'Electromagnetic Pollution' - http://sylnt.us - electromagnetic-radiation-wants-to-be-free
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[11:45:17] <crutchy> ~tell TheMightyBuzzard <malloc_free> Hi, if there is anyone out there who cares, you guys should have the details for your folding@home team somewhere on the site that is obvious. Good for new comers, and also for those of us who borked something and need to find out the team id without having to search for it
[11:45:29] <crutchy> ~rainbow fart
[11:45:33] <crutchy> hmm. no exec
[11:45:46] <crutchy> #tell TheMightyBuzzard <malloc_free> Hi, if there is anyone out there who cares, you guys should have the details for your folding@home team somewhere on the site that is obvious. Good for new comers, and also for those of us who borked something and need to find out the team id without having to search for it
[11:45:46] <MrPlow> Okay, I'll tell them next time I see them.
[11:47:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - With MRI Technique, Brain Scientists Induce Feelings About Faces - http://sylnt.us - face-the-facts?
[11:56:16] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[11:56:17] <DarthTrump> ^ 03BAARBARA'S STATUE - YouTube
[11:56:20] <SirFinkus> oh FUCK
[11:56:25] <SirFinkus> that one liner at the end
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[13:02:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake crutchy
[13:02:41] * MrPlow smakes crutchy upside the head with a small trouser trout
[13:03:26] <janrinok> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard, what you doing?
[13:04:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> heya, janrinok. been playin some diablo 3. coffee's not kicking in worth a damn this morning and it's a weekend so i'm fucking off
[13:04:28] <janrinok> don't blame you!
[13:05:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> hows you?
[13:05:49] <janrinok> not bad - Deucalion is trying to help me resolve IRC/ZNC issues, but I fear he is on a lost cause with me....
[13:06:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, he figured that out yesterday
[13:06:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> just a setting you didn't have set
[13:06:46] <janrinok> well, the settings he is telling me to change don't show up on my configuration page :)
[13:06:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> think it was default to not set though so it ain't yer fault
[13:06:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[13:08:04] <janrinok> There is no option to select the 'NickServe' module, and I cannot find the field that he suggest that I change to a larger value. I can find one that is similarly named, but it is already at the setting that he is suggesting.
[13:08:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i'm not seeing it either
[13:09:13] <janrinok> ah, good, so it is not just me then :)
[13:09:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly Bytram's fault
[13:09:53] <janrinok> of course it is, and if he were here I'd been making sure that he was aware of his shortcomings!
[13:10:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd get in and fix it up for yas manually but i'd hafta learn everything first
[13:10:59] <janrinok> thanks for the thought - however, even a blind man with only one leg stands a better chance than I do of sorting it out.
[13:11:36] <crutchy> ~blame
[13:11:40] <crutchy> shat
[13:11:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> well hell, now i'm curious
[13:11:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> #nelson crutchy
[13:11:52] <MrPlow> crutchy: HA HA!
[13:11:54] <janrinok> hi crutchy
[13:12:00] <crutchy> hayo!
[13:12:26] <crutchy> ~shit
[13:12:30] <crutchy> shit
[13:12:31] <crutchy> :p
[13:12:42] <crutchy> fucket i need some icecream
[13:12:47] <crutchy> its only 11pm
[13:13:06] <janrinok> got any in the freezer?
[13:13:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> da hell? why are we running mysql on bery with only an empty `test` database?
[13:14:05] <janrinok> what should it be running? Isn't that our IRC server as well?
[13:14:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[13:14:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> if there's nothing in it, it shouldn't be running at all
[13:14:41] <janrinok> see, if you tell me something enough times, I do eventually remember it.
[13:14:42] <crutchy> ncommander mentioned something about updating that machine to php7 or something. dunno if that might have anything to do with it
[13:15:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, probably but we're blaming bytram anyway
[13:15:23] <crutchy> fer sure
[13:15:28] <crutchy> :p
[13:15:29] <janrinok> the overhead of running an empty DB can't be too great, can it?
[13:15:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> also Deucalion might have upgraded the znc stuff
[13:16:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, not specially but there's the principle of the thing
[13:16:11] <crutchy> i'm not updating any of my servers at work to php7 yet
[13:16:20] <janrinok> true, and it opens another attack surface I suppose
[13:16:50] <crutchy> doesn't that one run the wiki as well?
[13:17:10] <crutchy> it would have to have a fat old schema all to itself
[13:17:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, okay, it's not empty just that that user has no perms
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[13:24:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, figured it out
[13:24:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> msg incoming
[13:25:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hand-Coded Assembly is Demonstrably Faster than Compiler Intrinsics - http://sylnt.us - some-assembly-required
[13:31:43] * TheMightyBuzzard flexes
[13:33:30] <janrinok> Just made my SO some gluten-free cakes - she is v pleased!
[13:34:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> that frightens and confuses me. big gluten fan here.
[13:36:32] <janrinok> Yeah, but gluten and MS are big no-noes, so she has no option
[13:36:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> bummer
[13:36:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> had no idea the two were related at all
[13:38:08] <janrinok> I have to make her special bread, meals have to be thought out properly (no batters, bread-crumbs, sauces etc) and, if I don't stick to it, we see the change within 48 hours
[13:38:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[13:39:15] <janrinok> Can get away with using spelt flour for some things, otherwise I have to be very inventive
[13:39:42] <crutchy> my sister has had to have gluten free shit since she was a teen. i used to call it 'taste free' but nowadays it tastes pretty good
[13:40:21] <janrinok> There is an increasing range of goods appearing in the shops, but she really misses a good pizza!
[13:41:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd miss all of the things. big, big gluten products fan, me.
[13:42:04] <janrinok> I cook everything from fresh just so we know what is in it, but once a week I pig out on a bought pizza! I make her a very poor g-free substitute, but feel no guilt on that one time each week :)
[13:42:35] <janrinok> Buzz, so am I, bro, so am I
[13:42:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh som bitch, i just figured out the thing that's been giving me headaches for months
[13:42:47] * TheMightyBuzzard does a happy dance
[13:44:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i could live without pizza if just barely but i would require weekly injections of tacos in its stead.
[13:44:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[13:44:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[13:44:36] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 137
[13:44:37] <janrinok> lol - I'll try to get them on prescription!
[13:46:03] <janrinok> fortunately, I have a good grasp of oriental, African, Mediterranean and European food. I suppose I should look more at Mexican and Cajun recipes
[13:46:35] <janrinok> crutchy, did you get your ice cream?
[13:48:31] <crutchy> yup
[13:48:36] <crutchy> almost made myself sick
[13:48:44] <crutchy> loaded it up with golden syrup
[13:48:46] <crutchy> :|
[13:51:45] <janrinok> I wonder why we do that? Why don't we stop when we know that we have actually had enough - but no, we keep on eating. I'm exactly the same!
[14:02:44] <cmn32480> it's easy to make crutchy sick... he's spent his whole life standing on his head
[14:02:53] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480
[14:03:08] <janrinok> you'd think he would be used to it by now then
[14:03:16] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[14:03:29] <cmn32480> you'd think... but all that sticky golden syrup
[14:03:38] <cmn32480> ah fuck
[14:03:40] <cmn32480> no exec
[14:04:12] <cmn32480> forgot to put him back online last night after the internet outage at work
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[14:06:14] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[14:06:15] <janrinok> lol ^^^
[14:06:17] * exec flatulantly bitchslaps a wallet of shame with janrinok
[14:06:32] <cmn32480> o, the host mask?
[14:06:54] <janrinok> I will always value my bitchslap from crutchys brothel!
[14:07:13] <cmn32480> if you are into that kind of thing I suppose
[14:07:36] <cmn32480> so ho'ws you?
[14:09:31] <janrinok> not too bad. TMB and Juggs have been helping me sort out IRC/ZNC. S is having problems with her new specs. The queues are looking healthy, and all is well in our little world.
[14:12:40] <cmn32480> excellent
[14:12:49] <cmn32480> for your one bad thing... I broke my ankle
[14:13:41] * cmn32480 goes to get his first cup of coffee++
[14:15:16] <cmn32480> back
[14:15:21] <cmn32480> coffee++
[14:15:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2852
[14:16:31] <cmn32480> janrinok - what's up w/ her new specs? prescription wrong?
[14:20:29] <janrinok> well, it might be a problem with her eye caused by MS - we have another appointment on Tuesday
[14:20:45] <cmn32480> yeesh
[14:20:48] <cmn32480> what a pain
[14:21:07] <cmn32480> I'm sorry hear it
[14:21:13] <janrinok> we have to wait and see. Although unwelcome, it certainly wouldn't come as a complete surprise
[14:21:29] <cmn32480> given what you told me previously, no I suppose not
[14:21:34] <janrinok> 'scuse the pun...
[14:21:42] <cmn32480> I giggled...
[14:21:46] <cmn32480> no need to excuse it!
[14:21:54] <cmn32480> or rather eye giggled...
[14:22:02] <janrinok> we are doing the same - if you don't laugh you would cry
[14:22:09] <cmn32480> pretty much
[14:22:19] <janrinok> any plans for the w/e?
[14:22:24] <cmn32480> through I was tempted when my daugghter accidentally kicked my ankle last night
[14:22:29] <janrinok> not camping or hiking with the kids?
[14:22:34] <cmn32480> um no
[14:22:41] <cmn32480> camping and hiking are out for a while
[14:22:56] <janrinok> serves you right - at your age you should know better
[14:23:00] <cmn32480> since when we went hiking wiht the cub scouts last weekend I broke my ankle
[14:23:14] <janrinok> I know...! ;-)
[14:23:15] <cmn32480> and you are correct
[14:23:26] <cmn32480> i ought to know better
[14:24:06] <cmn32480> :-p
[14:26:26] <cmn32480> they have me in a boto for 6 weeks... but at least no crutches, or amputations
[14:26:55] <janrinok> what on earth is a boto?
[14:27:05] <janrinok> or is that boot
[14:27:35] <cmn32480> a boto is a form of typographical error common to editors who haven't had enough coffee, or whose fingers go faster then their brain
[14:27:58] <cmn32480> I meant boot
[14:28:04] <janrinok> Boto - portuguese name for types of dolphins, github - python package interface to AWS
[14:28:25] <janrinok> I was searching like mad for the US slang word 'boto'...
[14:28:27] <cmn32480> i hate you
[14:28:50] * cmn32480 takes a kick at janrinok wiht his boto
[14:28:51] <janrinok> yeah, I know
[14:29:01] <janrinok> don't hurt you anlek
[14:29:05] <janrinok> your*
[14:29:12] <cmn32480> lol
[14:29:24] <cmn32480> thanks
[14:29:33] <janrinok> see, she can kick it again now
[14:29:34] <cmn32480> makin me feel like a real heel
[14:30:01] <janrinok> nailed that one, after shinning down your leg
[14:30:06] <cmn32480> upside, wiht this massive thing on my leg... it will be harder to put my foot in my mouth
[14:30:13] <janrinok> I doubt it
[14:30:32] <janrinok> you've always managed in the past
[14:32:07] <cmn32480> I'm an expert
[14:32:34] <janrinok> 'ex' as in has-been, 'spurt' as in drip under pressure?
[14:32:51] <cmn32480> yes, I am a former pert.
[14:33:09] <cmn32480> it's kinda like being alert... the world needs more lerts
[14:34:44] <janrinok> can never have too many lerts
[14:34:59] * cmn32480 makes a mental note to stop moving his ankle... everytime he does that it hurts
[14:35:10] <cmn32480> 'zactly
[14:35:28] <janrinok> after a week, one would have thought that you would have realised that movement==pain
[14:35:42] <cmn32480> <------- isn't too bright
[14:36:05] <janrinok> as bright a fresh black paint
[14:36:06] <cmn32480> something of a dim bulb at times
[14:36:16] <cmn32480> precisely, sir
[14:36:39] <cmn32480> ah crap.. I gotta go deal wiht the monsters
[14:36:44] <cmn32480> back in a bit
[14:36:54] <janrinok> k
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[14:57:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - United States Names its First Chief Information Security Officer - http://sylnt.us - responsibility-WITH-authority-and-funding?
[16:25:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - European Union Ruling in Favor of Playboy Could Threaten Hyperlinking - http://sylnt.us - don't-go-there
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[18:07:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cassini Photographs Dunes and Other Features on Titan - http://sylnt.us - keeping-an-eye-out-for-giant-sandworms
[18:23:49] <Gravis_> stating facts is now flamebaitting! https://soylentnews.org -_-
[18:23:56] <DarthTrump> ^ 03SN comment by [02Gravis (4596)] (02Score:1, Flamebait)
[18:25:56] Gravis_ is now known as Gravis
[18:26:12] <janrinok> Gravis, I've up'ed your score by 1, and perhaps others will actually read it more critically.
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[22:40:28] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[22:40:28] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[22:40:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> good ole lazy saturday
[22:42:04] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[22:42:06] * exec implicitly hallucinates a hooker full of 04,06derp with TheMightyBuzzard
[22:42:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[22:42:18] * exec buttmagically reticulates cream of rupees for cmn32480
[22:42:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> same thing
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[22:42:48] <cmn32480> virtually
[22:43:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, i almost forgot to pirate the OU college football game today. got 15m to find a link.
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[22:52:26] <cmn32480> colleges play football? interesting.
[23:04:07] <Deucalion> Thanks for helping out JR with his ZNC woes TheMightyBuzzard :)
[23:04:12] <Deucalion> TheMightyBuzzard++
[23:04:12] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 256
[23:07:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - First Cannabis Retail Licenses Approved by Alaska's Marijuana Control Board - http://sylnt.us - excellent!
[23:12:45] <Deucalion> ~weather
[23:12:47] <exec> 10London, UK - currently 59°F / 15°C, clear, wind W at 11 mph, humidity 85% - Saturday partly cloudy (49°F:67°F / 9°C:19°C), Sunday sunny (55°F:71°F / 13°C:22°C), Monday mostly sunny (65°F:78°F / 18°C:26°C), Tuesday sunny (65°F:87°F / 18°C:31°C)
[23:13:26] <Deucalion> is it be cool or is it be warm... make up your mind :D
[23:23:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, welcome
[23:24:09] <Deucalion> wut was the issue?