#Soylent | Logs for 2016-08-23
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[00:28:19] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
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[00:36:01] <Runaway1956> wish I had thought of that Coolhand
[00:36:31] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[00:36:31] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[00:40:04] <SoyCow5800> Hello everybody
[00:41:32] <SirFinkus> o/
[00:52:24] <Bytram> SoyCow5800: Bon Jour, Amigo!
[00:55:37] <cmn32480> ~gday #soylent
[00:55:39] * exec implicitly hucks a shitload of jingly keys at #soylent
[00:56:00] <SoyCow5800> bonjour bytram
[00:56:35] <Bytram> how's things in your neck of the woods? (or urban jungle)
[00:58:33] <cmn32480> busy as shit... you?
[00:58:49] <Bytram> not so busy, but tired.
[00:59:07] <cmn32480> i hear ya
[00:59:11] <SoyCow5800> rainy today
[00:59:19] * Bytram knows there are more sales on weekend than weekday, but misses having a simple 9-5 m-f kind of job
[00:59:37] * cmn32480 misses that too
[00:59:52] * cmn32480 has (or is supposed to have) one of those type jobs
[01:00:04] <Bytram> SoyCow5800: we jus tgot some much-needed rain ihere; hope you got as much as you needed and not TOO much.
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[01:00:26] <Bytram> cmn32480: if wht you have is one of those jobs, I'm gonna quickly make a different request!
[01:00:44] <cmn32480> i know.. right?
[01:00:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ARM v8-A with Scalable Vector Extensions - http://sylnt.us - we've-come-a-long-way-since-the-8087
[01:01:25] <Bytram> cmn32480: you in mexico?
[01:01:26] <cmn32480> hell.. I'm jsut happy exec hasn't puked in the last couple weeks
[01:01:31] <cmn32480> Si!
[01:01:32] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:01:34] <Bytram> hmmm,
[01:01:38] <Bytram> https://hackaday.com
[01:01:44] <DiversityInitiative> ^ 03Ask Hackaday: Calling All 68k Experts | Hackaday
[01:02:02] <cmn32480> currently debating on room service or going dow to the restaurant
[01:02:38] <cmn32480> am honestly leaning toward room service...
[01:02:47] <Bytram> cmn32480: tough choice... how about... BOTH!
[01:03:00] <cmn32480> leaving the room mean I gotta put my pants back on
[01:03:20] * Bytram has seen a picture where you were not wearing *pants*
[01:03:29] * Bytram notes it near enough 'kilt' me
[01:03:31] <cmn32480> IT WAS A KILT!!!!!!
[01:03:38] <Bytram> ROFL!
[01:03:47] <cmn32480> and I wasn't wearing any underoos either
[01:04:13] <Bytram> What does a Scott wear under his kilt? ... ... ... ... ... socks!
[01:05:53] <cmn32480> shame I can't get Tequila by room service
[01:07:56] <Bytram> anagram(Tequila) == La Quiet
[01:22:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg
[01:22:48] <cmn32480> 'zactly
[01:23:05] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[01:23:07] * exec analiciously terrorizes a volley of mild sauce with TheMightyBuzzard
[01:23:32] * cmn32480 has a bone to pick w/ you TheMightyBuzzard
[01:23:54] <cmn32480> why the in the actua fuck didn't you tell me that Mexico is full of Mexicans who can't speak English?
[01:23:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[01:23:58] * exec homogeneously scissors an animated gif of feminists for cmn32480
[01:24:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, they know what tequila is and cervesa means beer, so what else do ya need to know?
[01:25:16] <cmn32480> and taco... they know taco
[01:25:40] * cmn32480 looks at the room service menu again.... passing straight over the salads
[01:26:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> tacos are kinda like salads
[01:26:43] <cmn32480> not the way they make them here
[01:26:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> even better
[01:27:12] * cmn32480 looks to see if there is a dunkin donuts wihtin a hundred miles
[01:27:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> churros is close enough to donuts
[01:32:04] <cmn32480> true
[01:32:23] <cmn32480> wifi is slow as fuck... cant watch netflix
[01:32:29] <cmn32480> tv is all in spanish
[01:32:44] <cmn32480> all I have to do is answer email and type at you foackers
[01:33:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads, you might have to look at pictures of naked chicks instead of video of them
[01:33:51] * cmn32480 goes into the DT's
[01:34:11] <cmn32480> what're the odds the room service girl will be a hottie?
[01:34:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> just pretend it's the 80s and you're looking at them in a magazine
[01:36:23] <cmn32480> dude... by the time the 80's ended I hadn't hit puberty yet
[01:36:37] <cmn32480> that makes you old
[01:39:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, yelling at kids to get off my lawn when they're AT&T workers trying to run buried cable makes me old
[01:40:07] <cmn32480> you actuaally did that today didn't you?
[01:40:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, last week
[01:42:07] <cmn32480> now they'll never stop billing you for copper long distance service...
[01:42:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft, they can try. i ain't got such a thing though.
[01:43:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> really don't want my cell either
[01:47:15] <cmn32480> fuck beans I 'm hungry
[01:47:26] <cmn32480> roomservice neds to bring me eats
[01:50:02] <cmn32480> damnit... thought it was all goood... looks like my RDP gateway didn't coem back...
[01:50:06] <cmn32480> damnit
[01:50:51] <cmn32480> oop
[01:50:56] <cmn32480> nope it did come back
[01:51:04] <cmn32480> had to shut down my VPN to the office first
[01:53:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[01:55:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~blame
[01:55:50] * exec points at Bytram
[01:55:57] * Bytram ducks
[01:56:43] * cmn32480 quacks at Bytram
[01:56:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> think one more smoke then it be sleeps time
[01:56:53] * Bytram sends cmn32480 a bill
[01:57:05] * cmn32480 looks for a quill
[01:57:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> you guys quack me up
[01:57:34] <cmn32480> it's all down hill from here
[01:57:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> though a few of those puns are rather fowl
[01:57:47] <cmn32480> but tis is a rather feather brained scheme
[01:57:55] * Bytram flips TheMightyBuzzard a bird
[01:58:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> this conversation isn't going to be a feather in anyone's cap
[01:58:23] * cmn32480 gives TheMightyBuzzard a patte on the rump and sends him off to bed
[02:01:13] * Bytram just heard some yelling next door -- doesn't sound good.
[02:01:52] <cmn32480> I'll dial 9 1.... if you think it needs it.. I'll dial the other 1
[02:02:03] <cmn32480> and send the Mexican policia ot help
[02:02:10] <cmn32480> they will be there in 3-6 months
[02:02:41] <Bytram> by then, there would be snow on the ground... might hamper their movements just a bit.
[02:04:10] <cmn32480> dunno
[02:04:15] * cmn32480 yawns
[02:04:15] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into cmn32480's gaping mouth
[02:10:31] * Bytram yawns
[02:10:31] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Bytram's gaping mouth
[02:10:44] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[02:10:57] <Bytram> yawn
[02:11:04] <Bytram> was worth a try.
[02:11:25] <Bytram> cmn32480: s/dunno/yawns/
[02:11:49] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: s/dunno/yawns/
[02:11:56] <Bytram> ~sed on
[02:11:57] <exec> sed enabled for 10#Soylent
[02:12:01] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: s/dunno/yawns/
[02:12:12] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: s/.*/yawns/
[02:12:12] <sedctl> <Bytram> <TheMightyBuzzard> yawns
[02:12:15] <exec> <Bytram> <TheMightyBuzzard> yawns
[02:12:31] <Bytram> ~sed off
[02:12:33] <exec> sed disabled for 10#Soylent
[02:12:43] <Bytram> s/off/on/
[02:12:43] <sedctl> <Bytram> ~sed on
[02:12:45] <cmn32480> i think it's dead Juim
[02:13:01] <Bytram> cmn32480: s/j.*/Juan/
[02:13:11] <Bytram> ~sed on
[02:13:12] <exec> sed enabled for 10#Soylent
[02:13:12] <Bytram> cmn32480: s/j.*/Juan/
[02:13:15] <Bytram> cmn32480: s/j.*/Juan/
[02:13:35] <Bytram> I think it's dead, Juan
[02:13:56] <Bytram> no, wait, that's a new deb version, right? Dev Jaun?
[02:14:43] <Bytram> ~submit http://www.theregister.co.uk
[02:14:44] <cmn32480> i suppose deb had to move on w/ Ian not being around anymore
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[02:15:16] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[02:15:19] * Bytram likes Little Debbie snacks -- no relation, eh?
[02:15:31] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
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[02:19:14] <cmn32480> YAY!!!! FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[02:20:01] <Bytram> cmn32480: whacha get?
[02:20:12] <cmn32480> Mexican
[02:20:30] <cmn32480> :-)
[02:20:31] * Bytram *groans*
[02:21:09] <cmn32480> Chicken Tortilla Soup
[02:21:23] <cmn32480> And a thing of beef somethign or other
[02:22:01] <Bytram> but seriously, Touché! Well played, VERY well played!
[02:22:39] <cmn32480> i couldn't let it pass
[02:22:58] <Bytram> just wait an hour or two, you'll be all *set*, then.
[02:23:06] <Bytram> btw, don't drink the water.
[02:23:21] <cmn32480> or the milk
[02:23:26] <cmn32480> for me... same effect
[02:23:33] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:23:50] <Bytram> prolly not so good to have ice cream, either?
[02:24:01] <cmn32480> correct
[02:24:09] <cmn32480> or alfredo sauces
[02:24:19] <cmn32480> (he was the room service waiter)
[02:24:27] <Bytram> Mr Sauces?
[02:24:35] <Bytram> or was that Mystery Sauces?
[02:24:39] <cmn32480> alfredo
[02:24:56] <Bytram> me no afraido of the food service, senor
[02:25:36] <Bytram> afk, brb
[02:25:57] * cmn32480 wathes bytram call the cops on his yellin neighbors
[02:27:59] <Bytram> nah, just a single outburst, quick and over with... with no follow on to indicate any kind of injury / harm.
[02:28:04] <cmn32480> if the neighbor's name is Janet... and she's Yellin, can you bank on it?
[02:28:19] <Bytram> sorry, not enough interest.
[02:28:24] <cmn32480> I'd put money on it
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[02:28:31] -!- mode/#Soylent [+v takyon_] by Aphrodite
[02:28:37] <cmn32480> it was a federal reserve joke that failed miserably
[02:29:02] <Bytram> some banks in the world are now charging a *negative* interest rate for holding your money.
[02:29:19] <cmn32480> yeah... I think that started in Japan?
[02:29:20] <takyon_> huurrrrggghggg
[02:29:22] <Bytram> not really, i kinda liked it, and then ran with it.
[02:29:26] <cmn32480> you pay them to hold your money...
[02:29:38] <cmn32480> interest...
[02:29:45] <cmn32480> damn totally missed it
[02:29:49] * Bytram performs Heimlich maneuver on takyon_
[02:30:04] <takyon_> ptoooosh
[02:30:11] <takyon_> hi
[02:31:13] <cmn32480> Greetings from a not so swell part of mexico
[02:31:29] <cmn32480> oh somethign that this hotel has that I have never seen...
[02:31:47] <cmn32480> to get the lights to turn on... you have to put your keycard in a reader next to the door.
[02:32:04] <cmn32480> otherwise there is no electricity to the lights or HVAC
[02:33:09] * Bytram expects there may be an additional fee/charge on your bill for electricity used.
[02:33:25] <cmn32480> meh
[02:33:28] <cmn32480> customer is buying
[02:33:41] <cmn32480> just like the expedite fee on my passoort
[02:40:44] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:41:04] <cmn32480> I thouhgt so
[02:41:10] <Bytram> you have a foil pouch for the passport? RFID blocking is a real good idea.
[02:41:27] <cmn32480> nah... I keep it in my tin foil hat
[02:46:58] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[02:47:18] * Bytram|away has the aluminum upgrade
[02:49:33] <takyon_> cmn is in mexico city! call the cartels!
[02:50:27] <cmn32480> or Ethanol-Fueled... he'd go on a good rant for us
[02:51:55] <takyon_> careful what you wish for
[02:52:07] <cmn32480> I can aloways log out
[02:53:47] <cmn32480> viva la mexico!
[02:56:45] <takyon_> that's the only freedom you have!
[02:57:05] <cmn32480> and I'll probabyl not even have that aftr the next election
[02:59:41] <takyon_> SoylentNews has a very strong relationship with El Presidente Trump
[02:59:54] <cmn32480> certain submitters
[03:02:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hacking When It Counts: Spy Radios - http://sylnt.us - getting-the-word-in-and-out
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[03:10:53] <cmn32480> ~gday tinfoilpantsu
[03:10:55] * exec buttmagically launches a hugbox of dancing baby toward tinfoilpantsu
[03:11:06] <tinfoilpantsu> hi
[03:12:14] * cmn32480 watches the tumbleweeds roll around in this corner of the internet
[03:13:57] <tinfoilpantsu> such is IRC, a place to idle and have people see your name.
[03:20:36] takyon_ is now known as paranoidwaifu
[03:20:53] <cmn32480> this whole don't drink the water thing sucks...
[03:21:03] <cmn32480> but prolly not as much as driknking the water would suck
[03:21:44] <paranoidwaifu> lol buy a gallon of bottled water
[03:22:05] <paranoidwaifu> is it worth your life to drink from that tap?
[03:22:13] <paranoidwaifu> it's not like millions of people do it every day
[03:23:54] <cmn32480> it is not worth the consequences of drinking from the ta[
[03:24:38] <cmn32480> and I'm not even gonna risk using the coffee pot in the room w/ bottled water in case somebody has used tap water in it
[03:26:14] <paranoidwaifu> lol
[03:26:19] <paranoidwaifu> drink your own urine
[03:26:47] <paranoidwaifu> or order a coca cola from room service
[03:27:57] <paranoidwaifu> "Coca Cola, room dos uno seis". "Here's 5 bucks"
[03:38:31] <cmn32480> .me decides to call it a night and go to bed.
[03:38:49] <cmn32480> sweet dreams #soylent
[03:38:56] <cmn32480> ~gnight paranoidwaifu
[03:38:58] * exec hurriedly culturally appropriates a megabyte of minerals from paranoidwaifu
[03:39:27] <paranoidwaifu> night
[03:39:44] <tinfoilpantsu> goodnight cmn32480
[03:40:24] <SirFinkus> the fuck is going on in here
[03:41:07] <paranoidwaifu> that's what I'm asking all the time
[03:41:15] <tinfoilpantsu> only bad things
[03:43:28] <arti> http://imgur.com
[03:43:29] <DiversityInitiative> ^ 03You're OUT! - GIF on Imgur
[03:45:33] <arti> http://imgur.com
[03:45:33] <DiversityInitiative> ^ 03I love watching monster trucks. - GIF on Imgur
[03:45:37] <arti> this is excellent
[03:45:38] <paranoidwaifu> nice
[04:00:55] <xhedit> tmux or screen? what's your status line conf, #soylent?
[04:05:58] <tinfoilpantsu> tmux
[04:12:25] <swiss> screen
[04:12:35] <swiss> because tmux is for productivity, and I don't want to be productive
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[04:20:21] <tinfoilpantsu> tmux is also for rice
[04:31:38] <xhedit> i want to bling out my status line
[04:32:12] <xhedit> since i moved to enlightenment and terminology doesn't have visible tabs
[04:33:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - EFF Blasts Microsoft Over Windows 10 Privacy Concerns and Upgrade Tactics - http://sylnt.us - trying-to-get-the-scoop-on-what-they-scoop-up
[04:58:21] <arti> QuickStats by mIRCStats - Top talkers for the last 1 days: SirFinkus: 487 lines, TheMightyBuzzard: 310, crutchy: 299, Cmn32480: 242, Ethanol-fueled: 237, boru: 200, Runaway1956: 187, Bender: 182, n1: 173, mecctro: 172
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[04:59:21] <mecctro> how fancy
[05:06:53] <xhedit> shit, i'm out of the running.. gotta step up the not-idling
[05:08:27] <xhedit> lel at the line between Subsentient and Gravis
[05:11:39] <Gravis> xhedit: what line?
[05:13:40] <Gravis> this is what i want in my router: https://www.digikey.com
[05:13:40] <DiversityInitiative> ^ 03T2080NXE8MQB Freescale Semiconductor - NXP | Integrated Circuits (ICs) | DigiKey
[05:17:03] <xhedit> the stats line between you and Subsentient sticks out like a sore thumb since it's bright green and almost touches ethanol-fueled in a special place
[05:17:31] <xhedit> you want a powermac G4 as your router?
[05:18:50] <tinfoilpantsu> When it says 'embedded', am I to take that as it comes on a board?
[05:20:31] <xhedit> nah, it just means you have no OS and better be able to read datasheets
[05:26:34] <tinfoilpantsu> No OS... apart from debian's ppc builds, surely?
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[05:32:47] <xhedit> up to you to engineer a 896 pin ballgrid board to stick it into and hook all the peripherals up to, to get that far, and deal with bios and all that
[05:32:53] <xhedit> rom i guess on a ppc
[05:33:01] <xhedit> whatever the init routine is
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[06:14:14] <Gravis> tinfoilpantsu: basically, they give you a CPU and you have to figure out how to make your own motherboard and now to make it use the processor.
[06:14:31] <Gravis> how*
[06:15:21] <Gravis> xhedit: i want something that has lots of processing power, has build-in routing and filtering and can support multiple sata drives
[06:15:48] <Gravis> xhedit: and most importantly, is well documented!
[06:16:18] <Gravis> no NDAs or other bullshit
[06:17:34] <Gravis> xhedit: when they say, "no info without an NDA," i look at other chips.
[06:19:11] <Gravis> doesn't matter if it's the perfect chip, if it needs an NDA, it's not worth it
[06:23:41] <Gravis> frankly, i find the idea of making your own hardware impossible to develop for without contacting them to be a practice of self-sabotage
[06:25:46] <Gravis> No Documentation Available == poorly/not supported by open source tools
[06:27:10] <xhedit> I use an older pc. it routes packets fine and has a gigabit pci card
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[06:28:36] <Gravis> xhedit: that's fine if you are only thinking about a single installation
[06:30:04] <xhedit> nothing stopping you from buying a bulk lot of core2 minitix pcs!
[06:31:06] <Gravis> xhedit: BIOS and all that stuff is closed source
[06:31:26] <Gravis> xhedit: also high power consumption
[06:31:55] <xhedit> core 2 isn't terrible idling away, admittedly it's difficult to find anything that boots coreboot
[06:32:05] <Gravis> which means lots of heat which means it's a fire hazard
[06:34:03] <xhedit> I would love for someone to actually produce a coreboot compliant arm64 board with a decent system bus
[06:35:03] <Gravis> xhedit: it's not possible to do that with modern chips but you could do that with some of the old amd64 chips
[06:35:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Gene Therapy Approach to be Tested for Improving Parkinson's Drug Efficacy - http://sylnt.us - hoping-this-helps
[06:36:06] <xhedit> arm64
[06:36:15] <Gravis> oh
[06:36:45] <Gravis> arm64 isn't a thing but armv8 is
[06:37:43] <Gravis> xhedit: besides, ARM chips don't require software like coreboot, just uboot
[06:38:21] <Gravis> xhedit: and there is a uboot port for like... everything ever
[06:38:50] <xhedit> uboot is annoying and arm boot is particularly fucked up, it would be nice to have acpi or uefi standardize it
[06:38:57] <xhedit> and arm64 is a thing
[06:39:05] <xhedit> i am a debian user thanks.
[06:39:18] <Gravis> ha! ok
[06:40:28] <xhedit> if you don't have a device tree, you are completely hosed on arm
[06:40:46] <Gravis> xhedit: i think one of the selling points of ARM is that it doesn't have that ACPI bagage
[06:41:09] <Gravis> ACPI is a mess
[06:41:30] <Gravis> UEFI is a security nightmare
[06:41:42] <xhedit> how so, you don't need secure boot retardedness
[06:42:19] <xhedit> bios and uefi are what makes it possible to boot every pc in the same way, this is not a bad thing
[06:42:48] <Gravis> BIOS isn't a problem, UEFI is a serious problem
[06:43:02] <Gravis> BIOS is minimalistic, UEFI is bloated
[06:44:50] <xhedit> what I care about is a standardized method for booting and discovering i/o connections without needing to pass a giant device blob to the linux kernel
[06:45:21] <xhedit> you can do it without bloating it, which i what i would prefer
[06:45:57] <Gravis> xhedit: sure but the security issues persist
[06:46:06] <xhedit> which is what exactly
[06:46:43] <Gravis> http://www.pcworld.com
[06:46:43] <DiversityInitiative> ^ 03Hacking Team's malware uses a UEFI rootkit to survive operating system reinstalls | PCWorld
[06:47:26] <xhedit> dude, you can stuff malware in the drive controller or flash it on bios too
[06:48:06] <Gravis> xhedit: yes, the drive controller part concerns me too
[06:48:45] <Gravis> xhedit: the BIOS is less of a concern because of how every board is customized but it's still not a good situation
[06:49:48] <xhedit> you know you can dump the uefi contents and examine the policies, not that people do it, but it is definitely detectable
[06:50:11] <Gravis> xhedit: i'm not saying it's undetectible, i'm saying it's a security concern
[06:50:22] <Gravis> xhedit: it's one i rather not have
[06:50:23] <xhedit> computers are a security concern
[06:50:25] <xhedit> do you want to not have them
[06:51:25] <Gravis> xhedit: i'm looking to minimize my level of risk by using open software and hardware
[06:51:34] <xhedit> any programmable bootloader is going to have that issue
[06:52:07] <xhedit> i mean my nook color uses uboot, it would be easy to flash malware onto it too
[06:52:34] <Gravis> xhedit: which is why open hardware is needed so you can ensure there is a physical switch or jumper for it
[06:52:51] <xhedit> i can agree with that
[06:53:04] <Gravis> >> xhedit: i'm looking to minimize my level of risk by using open software and hardware <<
[06:53:43] <xhedit> but, in most systems there is nothing stopping anyone from using raw spi or whatever to access the flash chip, since you need to access the pins to read it.
[06:54:23] <Gravis> xhedit: physical security is another matter but i'm sticking to software security for now
[06:55:13] <Gravis> xhedit: you can have encrypted boot roms with some chips and burn your own key into the chip
[06:55:59] <xhedit> that is the only real way to be sure only someone who has access to the private key can flash it, yeah
[06:57:39] <Gravis> xhedit: well if it's using a two way cipher, you can flash the chip using the mechanisms the chip provides because it has access to the key
[06:58:06] <Gravis> xhedit: but yeah, pub/priv key would be good
[06:59:47] <xhedit> apple, as much as I don't like them, did it right with the key mixing on their security enclave imo
[07:00:41] <Gravis> closed source, doesn't count.
[07:00:58] <xhedit> as a model to emulate it's alright, i will never buy apple
[07:05:01] <Gravis> xhedit: only as long as we don't emulate their approach to medicine. ;)
[07:06:56] <Gravis> jobs' arrogance _earned_ him an early, slow and senseless death.
[07:07:34] <xhedit> i don't have much sympathy for zen liver cleanses
[07:08:10] <Gravis> i think they are great for people who think they know better than doctors
[07:09:50] <Gravis> sure, completely ineffective but that's kinda the point. :)
[07:12:32] <xhedit> they need a sop8 test clip added to their brain to reflash the wetware
[07:14:11] <Gravis> xhedit: no, that would just give them a chance to be a fuckup all over again
[07:17:19] <Gravis> death is the only way to dispose of bad people
[07:18:01] <xhedit> no one can escape the eternal garbage collector
[07:19:16] <Gravis> and we all know they'll try
[07:22:07] <xhedit> luckily their methods are whack
[07:24:03] <Gravis> sure but even if they manage to digitize themselves, they still won't survive because forever is so very long
[07:25:30] <xhedit> digitizing yourself is still destructive -- YOU die, your clone lives :p
[07:25:51] <xhedit> shades of transporter argument
[07:26:16] <Gravis> xhedit: yeah, it's completely up to how one is defined as being
[07:27:14] <xhedit> we all die every night
[07:28:07] <Gravis> xhedit: but what if you slowly replace every nueron in your head with a small machine that acts exactly like it? are you not digital?
[07:28:14] <Gravis> xhedit: and did you die?
[07:28:45] <xhedit> that seems like a lot of work, i already have a brain implant
[07:29:56] <Gravis> xhedit: your finger in your ear hardly counts as a brain implant. -_-
[07:30:18] <xhedit> no, but a hires90k advanced bionics implant almost does.
[07:31:30] <Gravis> xhedit: pff... stupid cyborg
[07:31:52] <xhedit> don't mri me bro
[07:33:00] <Gravis> xhedit: well that implant doesn't have problems with MRIs
[07:33:08] <xhedit> it does.
[07:33:32] <xhedit> 1.5T is a really low power mri machine uncommonly available
[07:33:51] <xhedit> also you have to surgically remove the magnet.
[07:33:55] <Gravis> oic
[07:34:09] <xhedit> which requires you to wear the implant headpiece with a headban which sucks ass
[07:34:18] <Gravis> xhedit: this is why you should have gone full digital
[07:34:22] <xhedit> i agree
[07:34:32] <xhedit> but the power bill was very high
[07:36:44] <Gravis> well if you went with superconducting electronics, it would work nicely in space with very little energy
[07:37:42] <Gravis> xhedit: you may want to get a new body instead of that one that becomes frozen popsicle
[07:38:00] <xhedit> I'm going to repurpose a boltzmann brain
[07:39:21] <Gravis> xhedit: hard to come by since they're out of production
[07:40:17] <xhedit> nah, they're just backordered
[07:40:53] <xhedit> i'm waiting for a prime approved seller
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[07:44:58] <Gravis> i do find it odd that in Ghost In A Shell that they still manually drove cars. i mean, they have AI for everything but not for driving cars?!
[07:45:30] <xhedit> i like to drive cars
[07:45:41] <xhedit> i find it pleasurable
[07:46:38] <Gravis> that's fine but with the number of people dying from cars, you would still go with automated cars.
[07:48:25] <xhedit> only ones that kill civilians instead of me when given a choice
[07:49:46] <Gravis> xhedit: seeing as how we don't have a crystal ball to see the future and all the paradoxes having one would cause, that would be every one of them
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[10:47:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:47:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2813
[10:51:04] <mecctro> just reminded me...
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[11:09:46] <boru> Incompetence at MS? Say it ain't so...
[11:10:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm sorry, dave, i can't do that
[11:11:46] <boru> Dave is lucky they didn't install AM or SHODAN instead of HAL.
[11:12:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> or windows
[11:12:52] <boru> One of my all time favourite events in a game: https://www.youtube.com
[11:12:58] <DiversityInitiative> ^ 03SHODAN's reveal *SPOILER WARNING* - YouTube
[11:13:31] <boru> Well, I suppose you could say the monolith is an allegory for the BSOD.
[11:13:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> well i mean it could have been worse still. could have been the red queen.
[11:14:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> homocidal computer AND you're bout to get eaten by zombies
[11:14:58] <boru> Or Wintermute, or Ummon.
[11:15:07] <boru> That crafty Ummon.
[11:15:31] <boru> Ah, I wasn't an RE fan.
[11:19:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i dug the first one. wasn't really interested after that.
[11:19:52] <boru> Of RE or Hyperion?
[11:20:05] <boru> I think Ummon didn't formally show up until The Fall of Hyperion.
[11:23:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, brain fry. need nicotine. stupid bot.
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[15:27:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, that's enough playing with the rss bot for today. on to diablo3.
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[18:55:43] <mecctro> what a tasty beverage
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[20:59:32] <cmn32480> #sammich
[20:59:32] * MrPlow whips up a leftover Thanksgiving dinner sammich for cmn32480
[20:59:44] <cmn32480> !Woop
[20:59:50] <cmn32480> !woop
[20:59:50] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[21:00:00] <cmn32480> yer slow bender
[21:01:33] <cmn32480> finished early... monitor for a half day tomorrow.... then the hell outta here.
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[21:15:19] <jasassin> whois nicserv?
[21:15:32] jasassin is now known as SoyGuest95089
[21:15:47] <SoyGuest95089> not cool having a guy name nicserv on
[21:15:48] <SoyGuest95089> wtf
[21:15:52] <SoyGuest95089> wooops
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[21:17:39] <jasassin> snarl
[21:18:03] <jasassin> ok
[21:18:09] <jasassin> anyone here?
[21:29:01] <SirFinkus> I am
[21:33:22] <SirFinkus> I'll ping Deucalion to look into the nicserv thing
[22:03:02] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
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[22:04:41] * TheMightyBuzzard goes back to playing diablo3
[22:34:29] <jasassin> nevermind
[22:34:38] <jasassin> but i just think it could be a problem
[22:34:39] <jasassin> i can see it
[22:34:46] <jasassin> there should be variations or something
[22:48:51] <cmn32480> almost done... 1 more day of not drinking anything from a sealed bottle...
[23:07:25] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
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[23:18:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Cheerios Theory of Branded Medicine - http://sylnt.us - it's-business
[23:20:51] * cmn32480 yawns
[23:20:51] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into cmn32480's gaping mouth
[23:24:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[23:24:47] * exec defiantly formulates a test tube of tagnuts for cmn32480
[23:28:00] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[23:28:02] * exec cromulently terrorizes a keg of windows 10 with TheMightyBuzzard
[23:28:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think you win that one
[23:28:32] <cmn32480> ~define tagnuts
[23:28:34] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03tagnut: A small rounded off piece of excriment that clings on to the hair around the bumhole. Can only be removed with thumb and index finger,thus, creating quite a stink
[23:28:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> food time
[23:28:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, you won
[23:28:52] <cmn32480> lol
[23:34:29] <Deucalion> SirFinkus?
[23:35:35] <cmn32480> Deucalion?
[23:35:55] <cmn32480> God be tahnked for Google Translate
[23:36:10] <Deucalion> he ping'd me - summat about someone being on as nicserv apparently
[23:36:42] <cmn32480> yeah I saw that conversation
[23:36:50] <cmn32480> but wasn't around when it happened
[23:41:14] <Deucalion> hmmm.... not showing with /whowas
[23:42:41] <Deucalion> jasassin - still around?
[23:50:47] <SirFinkus> yeah, sorry Deucalion, had to leave
[23:51:26] <Deucalion> no need to be sorry. Did you see this alleged 'nicserv' character?