#Soylent | Logs for 2016-08-04

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[00:11:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 'Green Lives Matter' College Course Title Has Some Critics Seeing Red - http://sylnt.us - burning-bridges
[00:22:09] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[00:43:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> well shit, now i hadda bury a cat today too
[00:44:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> neighbor cat who was always coming around for petting got into something poison and her owner come over asking if i'd shoot her and dig a hole
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[00:51:12] <SirFinkus> nice of you
[00:51:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> good cat, good neighbor.
[00:52:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell, she was just around a couple hours ago sleeping under my buddy's job trailer and mooching petting
[00:55:10] <SirFinkus> most cats are pretty good
[00:55:19] <SirFinkus> the bad ones tend to just run away
[01:00:01] <SirFinkus> horsing around with apfs right now
[01:00:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> #g apfs
[01:00:16] <MrPlow> https://developer.apple.com - "2 days ago ... Apple File System is the new file system for iOS, macOS, tvOS, and watchOS. It is optimized for flash/solid-state drive storage and features ..."
[01:00:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[01:00:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm stickin with ext4 cause fuck the police
[01:00:54] <SirFinkus> I'm dumping my home folder on an external and gonna play with the snapshots a bit
[01:01:10] <SirFinkus> yeah, ext4 is really fighting the power
[01:02:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd try btrfs but i can't bring myself to put unstable shit on my desktop where all my pr0n lives
[01:02:40] <SirFinkus> I tried it 2 years ago and ran into a few problems
[01:02:43] <SirFinkus> probably a lot better now though
[01:02:47] <SirFinkus> the feature set is pretty sexy
[01:02:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, thas what i hear every time i ask about it
[01:03:24] <SirFinkus> but zfs is almost a nice feature wise, and is actually stable
[01:03:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but it's not really a first class filesystem in linux
[01:04:04] <SirFinkus> which is a pity
[01:04:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> really though, either of those is overkill for what i want on a desktop
[01:05:10] <SirFinkus> on the contrary, I think shit like checksumming and snapshotting should be standard features
[01:05:22] <SirFinkus> criminal that they don't have data verification in apfs
[01:05:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i need the room snapshots take up for moar pr0n
[01:05:43] <SirFinkus> it has COW, which seems like a niche feature to me
[01:05:49] <SirFinkus> for desktop use
[01:05:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[01:06:17] <SirFinkus> don't get me wrong, cow is neato
[01:06:36] <SirFinkus> but I'd much rather have robust data verification like zfs
[01:07:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> most of the neat features are rather complex for me to implement anyway since i'd be looking at using it for /home and /home is an luks volume
[01:09:07] <SirFinkus> the checksumming stuff doesn't seem like it'd be affected by that
[01:09:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> like sure i could add another drive to the volume but then it'd be only partially encrypted unless i luks'd that volume too and then i gotta type two passwords in on boot instead of one
[01:09:32] <SirFinkus> oh, that stuff
[01:10:35] <SirFinkus> apfs has encryption built in, but I don't remember if you can do the merging volumes and other raidy stuff
[01:11:09] <SirFinkus> I've gotta give this some data to throw around before I start exploring
[01:11:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya. ima just stick with ext4 until something similar but with checksums and nothing else comes along
[01:13:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> and really i don't want checksums that bad. i'd rather have a copy of the breakfast club with one bit erroneously flipped than have to download it again.
[01:14:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> checksums are just not a desirable feature for large media storage
[01:14:03] <SirFinkus> the idea of silent data corruption scares me
[01:14:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean it's like would you rather have a one bit error or no file
[01:15:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> checksumming is only a desirable feature if you back everything up regularly
[01:15:52] <SirFinkus> doesn't have to delete the file
[01:15:59] <SirFinkus> but it can let you know
[01:16:09] <SirFinkus> oh, well, I back up everything regularly
[01:16:13] <SirFinkus> so that
[01:16:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have entirely too many terabytes of stuff to back up
[01:16:48] <SirFinkus> all legally obtained I trust
[01:17:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell no. fight da powah.
[01:20:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[01:20:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[01:20:36] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 101
[01:24:32] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com forgot how great this song is
[01:24:34] <exec> └─ 13Ram Jam - Black Betty - YouTube
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[01:41:59] <paulej72> Good evening all
[01:42:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Police Request Shut Off of Armed Woman's Social Media Accounts During Fatal Standoff - http://sylnt.us - status:-it's-complicated
[01:43:41] <SirFinkus> lo paulej72
[01:43:58] <paulej72> Did I miss much
[01:44:10] <Bytram> ~gday paulej72
[01:44:12] * exec unnecessarily hucks a crust of sorrow at paulej72
[01:44:59] <Bytram> I could ask the same question... what's up?
[01:45:23] <paulej72> I took a few days off and I decided not to start my computer
[01:45:44] <Bytram> otoh, my VM has just now notified me that I could upgrae ubuntu from 14.04 LTS to 16.04.1 LTS... was wondering when i should consider taking the plunge
[01:46:11] <Bytram> what version of ubuntu are we running on our servers?
[01:46:25] <paulej72> 14.04
[01:46:54] <SirFinkus> I'm playing with apfs right now
[01:46:58] <paulej72> Probably will not go through 16.04 as that has systems
[01:47:05] <paulej72> Systemd
[01:47:09] <SirFinkus> oh, and google bought us
[01:47:24] <SirFinkus> for 1.3 Billion USD
[01:47:32] <paulej72> Apfs?
[01:47:41] <SirFinkus> they're going to be rolling us into their social networking initiative
[01:47:46] <SirFinkus> and requiring google+ accounts
[01:47:50] <SirFinkus> apple's new filesystem
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[01:48:08] <paulej72> Oh, yeah forgot they did that
[01:48:41] <SirFinkus> anyone here thinking of installing any of the sierra betas, they're beta as fuck
[01:48:44] <SirFinkus> as a warning
[01:48:44] <Bytram> paulej72: doesn't 14.04 also have systemd?
[01:49:05] <paulej72> No 14.04 is upstart
[01:49:06] <SirFinkus> had 2 lockups already, and graphical errors
[01:50:02] <paulej72> I never ran the OS X betas. I probably have an old lappy to run it on though
[01:50:29] <paulej72> I do have a headless mba gen 1
[01:51:55] <Bytram> Now I'm *really* confused. I see systemd on boron when I do: ps -AF | grep -i systemd
[01:52:02] <Bytram> martyb@boron:~$ ps -AF | grep -i systemd
[01:52:02] <Bytram> root 300 1 0 10811 1464 0 Jul24 ? 00:00:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd --daemon
[01:52:02] <Bytram> root 402 1 0 8807 1696 0 Jul24 ? 00:00:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-logind
[01:52:02] <Bytram> martyb 11063 11029 0 2936 944 1 01:51 pts/1 00:00:00 grep --color=auto -i systemd
[01:52:32] <SirFinkus> we've been comprimised!
[01:52:51] <Bytram> SirFinkus: s/pri/pro/
[01:52:51] <sedctl> <Bytram> <SirFinkus> we've been compromised!
[01:53:02] <paulej72> That is some of the systemd shit that has been back ported
[01:53:05] <Bytram> promises promises?
[01:53:25] <SirFinkus> Bytram, you're a diuchebag
[01:53:33] <SirFinkus> and asshile
[01:53:51] <paulej72> Ashlie hitler?
[01:53:57] <Bytram> so... it *is* running systemd? or are those non-functional scaffolds, or what?
[01:54:52] <paulej72> Not running systemd but other services,that have been systemd'ed
[01:56:13] <Bytram> so... kinda shimmed in beside the kernel 9and supporting a couple services), instead of running underneath the kernel and supporting everything?
[01:56:45] <paulej72> Something like that
[01:57:30] <Bytram> howlong can we hold onto 14.04 before it's EOL and we should wither upgrade or find a new distro?
[01:57:37] <Bytram> *either
[01:57:57] <paulej72> 2018 or 19 iirc
[01:58:30] <Bytram> so, should be enough time to prepare =)
[01:59:56] <paulej72> http://www.ubuntu.com
[01:59:58] <exec> └─ 13Release end of life | Ubuntu
[02:00:49] <paulej72> 2019.04 eol
[02:01:17] <Bytram> rreally good to know... thanks!!
[02:01:57] <Bytram> so, to keep my environment as much as possiblelike our servers, I'll hold off on 16.04 for the time being.
[02:02:28] <Bytram> paulej72++ font of knowledge
[02:02:28] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 223
[02:04:55] <paulej72> http://askubuntu.com
[02:04:57] <exec> └─ 13init - Is ubuntu 14.04 using systemd? - Ask Ubuntu
[02:08:00] <Bytram> <clicky>
[02:10:42] <Bytram> ahhh, systemd is there but not as THE init system for 14.04 -- got it!
[02:11:15] * Bytram has had a bunch of very exhausting days... gonna call it a night.
[02:11:20] <Bytram> ~gnight #soylent
[02:11:22] * exec covertly reticulates a slice of prison food for #soylent
[02:11:36] <Bytram> ewww
[02:11:41] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[02:13:22] <Bytram|away> ~submit http://go.theregister.com
[02:13:26] <exec> └─ 13Classic Shell, Audacity downloads infected with classic MBR nuke nasty • The Register
[02:13:56] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[02:15:34] <Bytram|away> ~submit https://www.sciencedaily.com "The detection of a nonzero EDM [electric dipole moment] in a particle such as the neutron would imply an asymmetry between matter and antimatter, which may explain the imbalance in the amounts of matter and antimatter now observed in the universe."
[02:15:36] <exec> error: title not found or empty
[02:15:55] <Bytram|away> #smake exec "I *GAVE* you one!"
[02:15:55] * MrPlow smakes exec "I *GAVE* you one!" upside the head with an eight-inch floppy
[02:15:59] <Bytram|away> #submit https://www.sciencedaily.com "The detection of a nonzero EDM [electric dipole moment] in a particle such as the neutron would imply an asymmetry between matter and antimatter, which may explain the imbalance in the amounts of matter and antimatter now observed in the universe."
[02:15:59] <MrPlow> Unable to find a title for that page
[02:16:05] <Bytram|away> #smake MrPlow
[02:16:05] * MrPlow smakes MrPlow upside the head with loggie's massive log
[02:16:14] <Bytram|away> g'night
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[02:31:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|away, can't use sciencedaily. they write their page using js
[02:31:47] <chromas> js--
[02:31:47] <Bender> karma - js: -4
[02:32:13] * TheMightyBuzzard heads off to bed too
[02:33:41] <Runaway1956> #submit http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com
[02:33:41] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[02:33:43] <exec> └─ 13Dark trade booming: Rape videos on sale at Rs 50-150 - Times of India
[02:34:04] <Runaway1956> ~submit http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com
[02:34:06] <exec> error: description meta content not found or empty
[02:34:06] <exec> └─ 13Dark trade booming: Rape videos on sale at Rs 50-150 - Times of India
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[03:43:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FCC Orders TP-Link to Allow Third-Party Firmware on Their Routers - http://sylnt.us - open-carefully
[05:11:29] <xhedit> TheMightyBuzzard: i've used btrfs on a work machine (with regular backups) and nothing ever happened to my files
[05:38:36] <SirFinkus> still talking filesystems?
[05:38:39] * SirFinkus pulls up a chair
[05:39:13] <SirFinkus> actually, nevermind
[05:39:16] <SirFinkus> gonna play guitar
[05:45:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Clinical Trials in Children - http://sylnt.us - fresh-meat
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[07:10:05] <Gravis> holy fuck, they actually built the damn thing: https://www.washingtonpost.com
[07:10:06] <exec> └─ 13Chinese company tests giant bus that drives over cars - The Washington Post
[07:10:10] <systemd> ^ 03Chinese company tests giant bus that drives over cars - The Washington Post
[07:16:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Welcome to Brazil, where a Food Revolution is Changing the way People Eat - http://sylnt.us
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[07:34:10] <crutchy> ~title off
[07:34:12] <exec> titles disabled for 10#Soylent
[09:18:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New SAT Questions Leaked - http://sylnt.us - leak:plumber-::-SAT:???
[10:18:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:18:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2772
[10:39:45] * Subsentient pokes TheMightyBuzzard
[10:39:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake Subsentient
[10:39:56] * MrPlow smakes Subsentient upside the head with a sock full of oranges
[10:40:05] <Subsentient> $burrito TheMightyBuzzard
[10:40:05] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at TheMightyBuzzard
[10:40:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> looking for a comment i made a while back. no idea what story it was attached to.
[10:40:29] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Hai. I'm bored and tired, entertain me, slave.
[10:41:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> would you be entertained by me going and stinking up the bathroom?
[10:41:34] <Subsentient> Mmmm, fuuuudge.
[10:41:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause i was about to do that
[10:41:44] <Subsentient> I think I might have a problem. http://i.imgur.com
[10:41:51] <Subsentient> (SFW)
[10:42:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, you do. you're as messy as my roomie.
[10:42:46] <Subsentient> hehe
[10:42:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> i usually let it go till it gets about half that bad then tell him "aright, fucker, time to clean."
[10:43:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, aright, fucker, time to clean.
[10:43:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> and no stopping until you have enough room to make another quality mess
[10:44:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> you should aim your OCD at that table. make it earn its keep for a change.
[10:44:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk
[10:44:55] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: That's nothing. http://i.imgur.com
[10:48:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> much better but i need a smoke after that one
[10:48:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[10:48:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[10:48:59] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 102
[10:49:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Harry Potter Book/Script Fastest-Selling Book in the UK This Decade - http://sylnt.us - selling-like-magic!
[11:02:36] <xhedit> why are you people using death sticks when vaping is awesome?
[11:02:54] <AndyTheAbsurd> they like their death sticks
[11:03:00] <xhedit> why is there a pcb on your wallet?
[11:03:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> also people who vape tend to be *really* annoying
[11:03:32] <xhedit> more of a meme than anything.. we get it you vape
[11:03:57] <xhedit> dunno, i had a lot of fun. i can make crazy coils of all kinds and know a lot more about batteries now
[11:04:24] <xhedit> and there's no ash flying around everywhere
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[11:28:42] <cmn32480> #gday #soylent
[11:28:47] <cmn32480> ~gday #soylent
[11:28:49] * exec emphatically pukes a cornhole of time on #soylent
[11:28:51] <cmn32480> stupid fingers
[11:29:12] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~gday cmn32480
[11:29:14] * exec accidentally gives birth to a pit of grits for cmn32480
[11:29:23] <AndyTheAbsurd> mmmm grits
[11:29:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> wait I don't even like grits
[11:29:32] <cmn32480> ~gday AndyTheAbsurd
[11:29:34] * exec brazenly heaps a dutch oven of extreme blueberries on AndyTheAbsurd
[11:29:51] <cmn32480> love grits... 'specially w/ shrimp
[11:31:20] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[11:31:20] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[11:31:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> xhedit, because i'm not a pussy =P
[11:32:04] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:32:06] * exec suspiciously offers a cube of feminists to TheMightyBuzzard
[11:32:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[11:32:11] * exec analiciously queefs a boatload of frustration at cmn32480
[11:32:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> same thing
[11:32:22] <cmn32480> virtually
[11:32:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> depends on the size of the cube who won i guess
[11:32:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> and the boat
[11:33:06] <cmn32480> given most of the feminists I know.. it'd have to be a rather large cube... to fit their ego's
[11:33:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[11:34:09] <Subsentient> xhedit: Part of the fun is feeling the tumors forming in your lungs. And if I wanted something sweet, I'd get candy.
[11:35:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, like 7pm last night the neighbor lady comes over asking me to do the guy thing and come put her cat out of its misery. i get over there and it's the one that spends every day at my house sleeping under the roomie's job trailer and mooching petting.
[11:36:03] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: You didn't hurt fluffy, did you?
[11:36:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, i wasn't gonna watch it suffocate on its own tongue.
[11:36:55] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: What was wrong with him?
[11:37:04] <Subsentient> Also, that's a hilarious way to die
[11:37:12] * cmn32480 goes to monitor another channel for a few minutes
[11:37:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, yer asking for a kickban
[11:38:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> was a sweet lil kitty and i am sad.
[11:38:27] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: :^(
[11:38:37] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: My condolences.
[11:38:54] <xhedit> there's every flavor under the sun... you can vape liquid licorice and ass mix if you want .. i just really don't miss payin $6 a pack
[11:39:00] <Subsentient> And I didn't mean that 'it's hilarious that a kitty dies like that', more like 'that'd be a hilarious way for me to die'
[11:39:24] <Subsentient> xhedit: I buy $10 bags of pipe tobacco and roll my own. $40 a month.
[11:39:43] <xhedit> pipe tobacco is for pipes man.. you're not supposed to inhale that crap!
[11:39:52] <Subsentient> Try to stop me.
[11:39:53] <Subsentient> :^D
[11:39:57] <Subsentient> Tastes better anyways.
[11:40:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> was still way too fucking hot for grave digging. i bout did myself a mischief and joined kitteh in the afterlife getting the hole dug.
[11:40:18] <xhedit> can't say i ahvent done it.. just always ended up nic sick after a couple
[11:40:54] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: I'm sorry man. Really, I am. This world is cruel.
[11:40:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> xhedit, pipe tobacco he's talking about is simply tobacco shredded up.
[11:41:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> no fun tobacco company additives
[11:41:17] <Subsentient> No, it's bagged as pipe tobacco, but yeah, no additives.
[11:41:20] <Subsentient> doesn't even have the antifungal
[11:41:36] <xhedit> i'll still smoke some american spirits once in a while
[11:41:52] <Subsentient> I like American spirits, but if I smoke too many they give me a headache.
[11:42:08] <Subsentient> I can chain smoke my pipe tobacco rollies no problem, but 3 american spirits will give me a splitting migraine.
[11:42:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> bad for yas. there's like a berzillion different cancer causing things they add to pre-rolled cigarettes.
[11:42:29] <xhedit> it's the paper really
[11:42:33] <Subsentient> American Spirit is the no-additive organic ones
[11:42:39] <xhedit> yeah
[11:42:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[11:42:43] <Subsentient> but they're $8-$9 bucks a pack
[11:42:46] <Subsentient> so I don't get them very often
[11:42:49] <xhedit> but they still have to do the stupid flame retardant paper shit
[11:42:51] <xhedit> thanks obama
[11:42:53] <Subsentient> and they give me one hell of a headache.
[11:43:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, top or bugler papers are just paper. not in any way flame retardant.
[11:43:30] <Subsentient> I generally just take a sandwich bag of pipe tobacco, a pack of tops papers, and one of my rollie machines with me when I leave the house.
[11:43:41] <Subsentient> I buy top because you get a lot more for your money.
[11:43:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> machine!?
[11:43:55] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Yeah, I can't hand-roll worth a shit.
[11:44:02] <xhedit> machine gives you those nice perfectly packed cigs
[11:44:06] <Subsentient> I'm real, real good with the handheld machines though
[11:44:08] * TheMightyBuzzard mocks you with his mad rolling skillz
[11:44:22] <xhedit> i prefer bowls
[11:44:36] <Subsentient> I don't do the tube cigarettes. I do tops papers and those double-roller-rollie-maker things.
[11:44:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> bout 95% of mine come out as straight as store bought
[11:45:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> but yeah, i do have about a dozen pipes that i occasionally use as well.
[11:45:08] <Subsentient> My hand-rolled looks like a bloated, dessicated cigarette corpse someone left in the sun.
[11:45:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't try smoking proper pipe tobacco with all the flavoring and such though.
[11:46:06] <Subsentient> hehehe, I used to do that constantly.
[11:46:14] <Subsentient> Never messed with me.
[11:46:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> man that's nuts. stuff is harsh.
[11:46:27] <xhedit> tobacco with flavors is for shisha
[11:46:28] <Subsentient> nah.
[11:46:53] <Subsentient> You're just a pussy, that's all. I could smoke a bag of full-flavor menthol Talon as rollies.
[11:47:08] <Subsentient> I hate filters with a passion. I rip them off whenever I get pre-made.
[11:47:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> xhedit, talking about the stuff you get at an old style pipe shop for $20/oz
[11:47:31] <xhedit> yeah, im familiar
[11:47:36] <xhedit> cherry whatever crap
[11:47:50] <xhedit> that was the only flavor i liked anyway
[11:48:09] <xhedit> now i vape mountain dew shit or w/e
[11:48:11] <Subsentient> I don't like sweet tobacco. I like it plain, thick cut, and flavorful.
[11:48:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mostly go for the straight black cavendish when i go that route. i don't appreciate non-tobacco flavors in my tobacco.
[11:48:24] <xhedit> at 100w so i irritate everyone who hates vapers
[11:48:41] <xhedit> suck it bitches
[11:48:41] <Subsentient> lol
[11:48:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha
[11:49:21] <Subsentient> This is what I usually smoke. http://www.tobaccogeneral.com
[11:49:21] <systemd> ^✓ 03Buoy Natural Pipe Tobacco 16 oz. Pack
[11:49:30] <xhedit> and i do it inside because fuck the police
[11:49:54] <Subsentient> I smoke in my room with the door shut and a door snake to protect mum and her elderly kitty.
[11:50:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> xhedit++ # stickin it to da man
[11:50:01] <Bender> karma - xhedit: 1
[11:50:10] <Subsentient> My laptop is covered in ash.
[11:50:16] <xhedit> plus it's nice to have some tugs when your code is compiling or debugging some wtf shit
[11:50:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i smoke outside cause fuck painting walls when i move.
[11:50:22] <Subsentient> I've had to remove the keyboard just to dig out the ash and tobacco shavings
[11:50:40] <Subsentient> xhedit: What languages do you work in?
[11:50:51] <xhedit> my keyboard costs more than anything else in my pc, so i dont ash on it
[11:50:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> say perl...
[11:51:03] <Subsentient> Say the truth...
[11:51:11] <xhedit> i can do anything but I hate ruby and javascript and web crap
[11:51:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> shaddup, i need a minion
[11:51:21] <Subsentient> xhedit: Sounds like a C guy.
[11:51:32] <xhedit> c++ and python are my favorites
[11:51:32] <Bender> karma - c: 58
[11:51:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> xhedit, wanna fix Bender?
[11:51:48] <Subsentient> xhedit: I do a lot of work in C and C++, and I know enough python to be dangerous.
[11:51:52] <Subsentient> $help
[11:51:52] <aqu4> Hi, I'm aqu4bot, version "baking", running on UNIX. I'm a bot written in C++ by Subsentient [http://universe2.us/]. My source code can be found at "http://github.com/Subsentient/aqu4bot/". Try the 'commands' command to get a list of what I can do, or try 'help cmd' where 'cmd' is a particular command.
[11:52:04] <xhedit> what's wrong with it?
[11:52:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> the rss module ends up taking up like 40-60MB of ram if left running
[11:52:30] <xhedit> oh, C# isn't terrible either, except when you're using it to write web
[11:52:46] <xhedit> you can't fix the web, it's shitty by design
[11:52:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> and everyone on staff hates python so we refuse to fix it
[11:53:12] <xhedit> upgrade your ram is what python users do
[11:53:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> we did. right now it's just a matter of distaste.
[11:54:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> at this point it's either fix bender or rewrite his rss functions in perl under another bot
[11:55:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> perl will still use too much ram but it'd take me a fraction of the time to write it properly in perl cause i wouldn't have to stop for rant-about-whitespace breaks
[11:55:57] <xhedit> ha
[11:56:05] <xhedit> but then it will be line noise
[11:56:18] <xhedit> use perl6 ;x
[11:56:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya but i can read line noise
[11:56:20] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Got the source for the RSS thingy?
[11:56:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads no
[11:56:24] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard - janrinok does some pythin
[11:56:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya
[11:56:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, you got a shell account yet?
[11:56:59] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Nobody gave me one, I kept asking.
[11:57:06] <cmn32480> zz_janrinok may or may not be willing to look at Bender
[11:57:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> bug paulej72 next time you see him. he's the only one who knows how to hook you up i think
[11:57:28] <xhedit> you should put the source somewhere if you want someone to fix it
[11:57:32] <Subsentient> $burrito paulej72
[11:57:32] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at paulej72
[11:58:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> xhedit, anyone on staff can get to the source. well anyone at all can really since it's an oss bot made with other people's code.
[11:58:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just dunno where to point ya
[11:59:36] <xhedit> nothing wrong with using oss code, thats sort of the point
[11:59:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> http://jsonbot.readthedocs.io believe that's our huckleberry
[11:59:55] <systemd> ^ 03Welcome to JSONBOT — JSONBOT 0.91.0 DEVELOPMENT documentation
[12:00:16] <xhedit> no zeromq? !
[12:00:55] * cmn32480 hears a giant wooshing sound as this goes straight over his head
[12:01:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't lookit me. i didn't write the critter.
[12:01:39] <xhedit> my current project is a sms to irc gateway
[12:01:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> my bot's currently in rust. used to be in C. before that perl.
[12:01:49] <xhedit> so i can text right from my irc client
[12:01:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> funkay
[12:02:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> xhedit: I need to have that so badly
[12:02:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> using google voice or the email->sms gateways?
[12:02:25] <AndyTheAbsurd> so I can never leave the terminal
[12:02:38] <xhedit> nope
[12:02:43] <xhedit> firebase cloud messaging
[12:02:52] <Subsentient> lol
[12:02:59] <Subsentient> yeah that's an interesting one
[12:03:01] <Subsentient> I gotta say.
[12:03:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> oh I was hoping you were going to do it as an Android app that talked to an IRC server
[12:03:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> so the texts could be "coming" from my phone even though I was typing them in IRC
[12:03:55] <xhedit> well, it is an android app that monitors sms in and out, and also receives firebase messages that tell it to talk to my server and get the content of the outgoing (from irc client) messages
[12:04:00] <xhedit> this way google doesn't get my texts
[12:04:06] <xhedit> which i don't want.
[12:04:43] <xhedit> there is a server app that spawns a ircd like thing.. so it's more like bitlbee than anything i guess
[12:05:10] <xhedit> yes, that's the point andy
[12:05:35] <Subsentient> I'm writing a cross-platform semi-spyware for tracking stolen devices, remote maintenance, and of course, espionage.
[12:05:39] <Subsentient> I call it Volition.
[12:05:53] <Subsentient> Doing it in C++11
[12:06:01] <Subsentient> I also intend to include a Lua interpreter
[12:06:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm writing the backend code for some lameass website
[12:06:30] <xhedit> when it all works i intend to stick it on github.. it'll be kind of a bitch to setup, you have to sign up for a free firebase / google dev account and generate a bunch of keys and a letsencrypt cert but it won't cost anything
[12:06:45] <MrPlow> and me!
[12:07:05] <xhedit> "modern C++" is kind of ... an ass-pull
[12:07:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> !grab xhedit
[12:07:20] <Bender> Added quote 763
[12:07:31] <xhedit> i get why they want move semantics but reading it makes my head hurt with all the new garbage
[12:07:32] <Subsentient> xhedit: tbh It's mostly C++98 with C++11 features used occasionally.
[12:07:55] <Subsentient> Like specifying underlying types for enums, and long long support
[12:08:13] <xhedit> no crazy trailing function return types?
[12:08:18] <Subsentient> Bleh
[12:08:22] <xhedit> and excessive template metaprogramming?
[12:08:25] <xhedit> you're not c++11'ing right
[12:08:26] <Subsentient> BLEH
[12:08:31] <Subsentient> lol
[12:08:58] <Subsentient> I'm glad templates exist and I use them sometimes, but yeah, overkill is bad, mmkay?
[12:09:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> What are you talking about? Overkill is a great thrash metal band!
[12:10:10] <Subsentient> lol
[12:10:20] * AndyTheAbsurd rocks out to Bold Faced Pagan Stomp \m/
[12:10:22] <xhedit> i miss the type when the ugliest c++ code you saw was the stl and it was like _K(pqrem _s::T_eqjp)
[12:10:27] <xhedit> time
[12:10:51] <xhedit> now there are lambdas and crap
[12:11:35] <AndyTheAbsurd> every body loves their lambdas lately
[12:11:55] <xhedit> functional programming is the current fad
[12:11:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> where they been for the last 40 years? LISP has had lambdas for freaking forever.
[12:12:07] <xhedit> i'm waiting for object oriented to be the new hotness
[12:12:16] <Subsentient> I like procedural programming myself, tbh
[12:12:25] <xhedit> i think we just call it programming.
[12:12:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like mixing them all together to confuse anyone who comes after me
[12:13:00] <xhedit> I mean, I disassemble shit so I've seen what using c++ streams does.. snprintf for life
[12:13:00] <Subsentient> Not a huge OOP fan
[12:13:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> I don't give a crap what kind of programming it is as long they don't mix paradigms
[12:13:07] * AndyTheAbsurd glares at JavaScript
[12:13:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, you should see rehash
[12:13:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'd rather not, thanks.
[12:13:33] <Subsentient> xhedit: snprintf() is a lifesaver in C99.
[12:13:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> Was thinking about implementing something similar in Python in order to get more familiar with the language, though.
[12:14:08] <Subsentient> xhedit: Oh and here's this project of mine: http://universe2.us
[12:14:08] <systemd> ^✓ 03SubStrings, a better way to deal with C strings
[12:14:59] <Subsentient> I use that library of mine extensivel
[12:15:03] <Subsentient> extensively*
[12:15:21] <Subsentient> It's a wonderful way to deal with text in C and C++.
[12:15:37] <xhedit> you mean you don't choose one of the 120 different string classes available in c++
[12:16:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[12:16:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[12:16:14] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 103
[12:16:30] <Subsentient> xhedit: This little thing works in C and C++, not just C++. And it's a lot better at processing said text than anything else I've seen.
[12:16:38] <xhedit> I don't do a lot of pure c
[12:16:46] <xhedit> i don't have anything against it.. just not my default choice
[12:17:00] <Subsentient> I do. C99 mostly.
[12:17:09] <Subsentient> C99 is a huge improvement over ANSI C.
[12:17:24] <xhedit> it has bool and // right?
[12:17:28] <Subsentient> yup
[12:17:33] <xhedit> all you need
[12:17:43] <Subsentient> Also, it has something I really miss in C++.
[12:17:48] <Subsentient> Designated initializers.
[12:18:12] <Subsentient> e.g. struct Gerbil Wibble = { .PeanutButter = 1, .Farts = "nurblepuke" };
[12:18:22] <Subsentient> works for arrays too
[12:18:43] <xhedit> yeah initializers are great
[12:18:51] <Subsentient> designated initializers.
[12:18:55] <Subsentient> C++ lacks something as elegant.
[12:18:55] <Bender> karma - c: 59
[12:20:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US State Department Denies Obama Paid $400M "Ransom" to Iran - http://sylnt.us - waddle-waddle-quack-quack
[12:20:53] <xhedit> yeah c++11 has some extra initializer shit which is handy for making stl stuff with initializer syntax but like usual it's far from elegant
[12:23:22] <xhedit> you can code anyway, Subsentient, your stuff doesn't look like ass
[12:23:35] <Subsentient> xhedit: I care a lot about aesthetics.
[12:23:59] <xhedit> you should
[12:24:32] <Subsentient> xhedit: I honestly have trouble reading a lot of other C/C++ code because of bad styling.
[12:24:55] <Subsentient> I use astyle a lot
[12:25:07] <xhedit> my style is different but i understand
[12:25:18] <xhedit> yours is readable enough, you like vertical spacing
[12:25:32] <xhedit> a lot of people jdgaf
[12:25:41] <Subsentient> yes I do. I like things grouped into related clusters.
[12:26:33] <xhedit> the main difference i see is i like multiple line indented single statement ifs
[12:27:06] <Subsentient> I do the single-line because I'm dependent on Allman styling so much it can throw me for a loop visually.
[12:27:21] <Subsentient> I look at braces to see the start and ends of blocks.
[12:28:39] <xhedit> and you curse every java programmer too i bet.
[12:28:53] <Subsentient> :^) damn straight
[12:28:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> that should go without saying
[12:29:19] <Subsentient> K&R styling is baaaad for me to read.
[12:29:35] <Subsentient> I'm so engulfed in my own coding style I have a real hard time following others.
[12:29:37] <xhedit> I don't like k&r or gnu, they look like shit
[12:29:49] <xhedit> of all the styles bsd is closest to what i like
[12:30:43] <Subsentient> I just looked up BSD format. I gotta be honest. My eyes are bleeding.
[12:30:55] <Subsentient> You put the next else on the same line as the if's terminating brace?
[12:31:01] <xhedit> nah
[12:31:07] <xhedit> i hate that shit
[12:31:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, i've been hacking other people's perl for so long it doesn't make a difference to me unless they put everything on one line.
[12:31:36] <xhedit> } else { drives me into fits of rage
[12:31:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> xhedit, you should smake paulej72 daily then. he does that a lot.
[12:31:56] <Bytram|away> xhedit: I'm curious why?
[12:32:08] Bytram|away is now known as Byytram
[12:32:09] <xhedit> I like {} vertically aligned to easily see blocks
[12:32:12] Byytram is now known as Bytram
[12:32:18] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:32:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2773
[12:32:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin, Bytram
[12:32:27] <Subsentient> xhedit: Agreed.
[12:32:34] <cmn32480> ~gday bytram
[12:32:36] * exec transphobically launches a tray of vespene gas toward bytram
[12:32:45] <Bytram> I like to see blocks, too, without using up an inordimate anmount of white space
[12:32:49] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[12:32:51] * exec carefully pits an F cup of tama lama ding dongs against TheMightyBuzzard
[12:32:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> sweet, you can make hydralysks now
[12:32:55] <Bytram> ~gdacm
[12:33:05] <xhedit> i have 2 1920x1200 monitors. i can afford some white space.
[12:33:05] * Subsentient hideously pukes a dumpster of freshly milked gerbil semen on Bytram
[12:33:09] <Bytram> ~gday cmn32480
[12:33:11] * exec diabolically slides an example of spitwads to cmn32480
[12:33:28] * cmn32480 thinks we all lost...
[12:33:35] <xhedit> ~gday xhedit
[12:33:37] * exec seductively cyberbullies a pipe of dogfart at xhedit
[12:33:41] <Bytram> xhedit: I only have one 1920x1200, but I still appreciate some vertical economy.
[12:33:50] <Bytram> if (this == that) {
[12:33:54] <Bytram> //do something
[12:33:54] <xhedit> i appreciate mental sanity more
[12:33:56] <Bytram> } else {
[12:34:00] <Bytram> // do soemthing else
[12:34:01] <Bytram> }
[12:34:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake Bytram
[12:34:08] * MrPlow smakes Bytram upside the head with loggie's log
[12:34:13] <Bytram> ~blame
[12:34:14] * exec points at Bytram
[12:34:31] <Subsentient> lol
[12:34:50] <Subsentient> Does anyone else have days and days of stagnation when first designing a new project?
[12:34:56] <xhedit> sure
[12:35:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope. i have them in the middle of a project.
[12:35:14] <Subsentient> I always have the HARDEST fucking time getting a project off the ground.
[12:35:27] <xhedit> i'm really lazy so i ahve them all the time
[12:35:45] <xhedit> but starting is hardest because i want a nice elegant design instead of a pile of shit
[12:35:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> new stuff i'm all like https://www.youtube.com
[12:35:51] <systemd> ^ 03I'm Ready! - YouTube
[12:35:59] <Bytram> each side of the conditional has its own, indented block; and the encompassing if statement is all left-aligned vetically making it very easy to discern nested if blocks (or others)
[12:36:33] <Subsentient> Gonna take a shit and make a grilled cheese sandwich, in that order. back in a few.
[12:36:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> much better than at the same time
[12:36:59] <Bytram> Subsentient: yes, I have and still do. easiest solution? crank out something in 5 minutes -- even just pseudocode -- and hit save.
[12:37:00] * cmn32480 hopes Subsentient inserts a hand wash in between
[12:37:15] <Bytram> then go back and edit and 'fix' whatever is inadequate
[12:37:29] <Bytram> hardest part for me is getting started -- paralysis of analysis
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[12:38:02] <cmn32480> bytram - you NEVER overanalyze anything...
[12:38:02] <Bytram> but, once I get started, and as long as I do not hit a major roadblock, the immediate fedback of seeing progress is self-motivating
[12:38:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft, you weirdos and your planning things ahead of time... just write the code and adjust it as you find design flaws.
[12:38:21] <Bytram> cmn32480: well, maybe, once or twice
[12:38:25] <cmn32480> See RustyPLow...
[12:38:35] <Bytram> *PlustyRow
[12:38:41] <Bytram> hth
[12:38:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, MrPlow is rusty now.
[12:38:58] <n1> TheMightyBuzzard, not design flaws, unintended functionality
[12:39:02] <cmn32480> yeah... and we are still finding bugs
[12:39:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> n1 zactly
[12:39:17] <xhedit> my process is finding how i'm doing something, then what i'm doing, then coding is easy
[12:39:27] <Bytram> nodnod
[12:39:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, that's what you lot are for. free beta testing.
[12:40:15] <cmn32480> #sammich TheMightyBuzzard
[12:40:15] * MrPlow whips up a grilled cheese sammich for cmn32480
[12:40:19] <cmn32480> still broke
[12:40:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas not broke. that's by design.
[12:40:31] <Bytram> I like to have a high-level idea of how things fit together... in essence try to figure out what part is development (usin stuff I know how to do) and what part is research (how am I gonna do that?)
[12:40:37] * cmn32480 hands the grilled cheeses sammich to subsentient
[12:40:48] <Subsentient> on my phone's fedora, reporting live from the fudge factory
[12:40:57] <cmn32480> #sammich
[12:40:57] * MrPlow whips up a sex sammich for cmn32480
[12:41:02] * Bytram like grilled cheese sandwiches
[12:41:04] <cmn32480> much beetter
[12:41:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, i make it up as i go mostly. it's really easy for me to see how things fit together most of the time.
[12:41:41] <Bytram> yeah, I've noticed =)
[12:42:10] <Bytram> for me, it's kinda like a multi-dimensional Venn diagram
[12:42:31] <xhedit> i'll spend hours and hours figuring out how to do the least work/code possible
[12:42:54] <xhedit> researching random libraries
[12:42:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, yeah, i used to do that. now i just write what's easy to maintain.
[12:42:58] <Bytram> I internalize the sets of what I have and how they are organized, along with the sets of the tools I have to manipulate those, stir, and ... Eureka!
[12:43:43] <xhedit> when i just write code it's easy to get into an unmaintanable mess
[12:43:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't care if it takes 5x as many lines. i wanna be able to go back and fix things quickly.
[12:43:45] <cmn32480> I do it the easiest way possible... I let all of you write the code.
[12:44:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> that is easier if not quicker
[12:44:26] <Subsentient> anybody want fresh fudge?
[12:44:39] <xhedit> only if it was in your grandma's snatch first
[12:45:01] <Subsentient> xhedit: I like you
[12:45:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> like i should be on the dev vm right now working on comments but i'm instead fucking around on irc and likely to be fucking around the rest of the week.
[12:47:07] * cmn32480 threatens TheMightyBuzzard with letting bytram loose in the code if he doesn't get on it
[12:47:14] <Subsentient> xhedit: one day I was eating out my grandmother,and I started tasting horse semen. I thought to myself, maybe that's how she died
[12:47:48] * cmn32480 is not surprised that Subsentient knows what horse semen tastes like
[12:48:00] <Subsentient> lol
[12:49:59] <Subsentient> k imma wipe my ass and make my sammich
[12:50:06] <Subsentient> afk
[12:52:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, i been trying to get Bytram to do his own code for a while now. it'd save time if he breaks it while it's being written.
[12:54:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, think i need to play me some vidya. marvel ultimate alliance 2 or fallout 4?
[12:55:07] <cmn32480> fallout4 = crashes
[12:55:20] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: http://wz2100.net
[12:55:20] <systemd> ^✓ 03Warzone 2100: A Free And Open Source Real-Time Strategy Game
[12:55:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[12:55:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> man i ain't wanna play no rts that ain't starcraft or warcraft
[12:56:12] <Subsentient> warzone 2100 is better than starcraft dude
[12:56:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> !?
[12:56:36] <Subsentient> seriously, it's an epic game.
[12:56:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> people have been hung for less
[12:57:00] <Subsentient> go try it.
[12:57:37] <Subsentient> been playing it since 2010
[12:57:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> how is it for pop culture references?
[12:57:39] <xhedit> i saw your cute picture, yeah
[12:58:00] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: lol.
[12:58:13] <Subsentient> xhedit: http://tubgirl.ca
[12:58:14] <systemd> ^✓ 03Tubgirl
[12:58:34] <xhedit> fuck it i'll click it
[12:58:47] <xhedit> haven't been tubgirled in a decade
[12:58:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause the dialog when you selected units was a lot of what made sc awesome.
[12:58:52] <xhedit> yep still immune
[12:59:06] <xhedit> amazing what /b/ does for ya
[12:59:27] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: WZ2100 lets you design units.
[12:59:36] <xhedit> play witcher 3
[12:59:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> would but it hates my motherboard
[12:59:55] <xhedit> get a new motherboard then
[12:59:58] <xhedit> jesus it's not rocket science
[13:00:19] <xhedit> i wouldn't want any shitty motherboard that can't play witcher 3
[13:00:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> fek no. this one's badass. they can patch their shit if they want me to play.
[13:00:38] <xhedit> works fine on all my z97 boards
[13:01:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> there are like three games that won't play on this motherboard. all of em give hypertransport sync errors.
[13:02:14] <xhedit> oh, amd
[13:02:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[13:02:32] <xhedit> them's the pcs for poor people right
[13:02:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like my chips WITHOUT built in hardware rootkits.
[13:02:48] <xhedit> little late...
[13:03:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, phenom 2 chips didn't have em and that's what i'm still using.
[13:03:23] <xhedit> i have a phenom ii x6 somewhere.. it's fuckin slow
[13:03:44] <xhedit> I just use openbsd on a pc without rootkit for a router
[13:03:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft. my x6 does just fine on anything i hand it.
[13:03:47] <xhedit> no worries
[13:04:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> now my vid card could use an upgrade i'll grant you
[13:04:32] <xhedit> I had a c2q for like 7 years before I got a 4790k.. it's impossible to use slow pcs now
[13:04:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> but six cores of 3.6ghz is fine for pretty much anything
[13:05:07] <Subsentient> xhedit: Try this one on for size. Was one of my last posts before Imgur banned me. http://imgur.com
[13:05:07] <systemd> ^✓ 03Brony boils Rainbow Dash in his own rotten cum. - Album on Imgur
[13:05:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> vid card is a radeon 7790. definitely a bit dated for modern games.
[13:06:00] <xhedit> you've got some issues, this doesn't disgust me though
[13:06:19] <Subsentient> xhedit: Aww, I tried so hard.
[13:06:34] <xhedit> the only thing that really bugs me is kitten stomping
[13:06:44] <Subsentient> Yeah, I don't post stuff like that.
[13:06:49] <Subsentient> I don't want to scar anyone
[13:06:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> so you're not voting hillary then?
[13:06:54] <xhedit> fuck the sjws
[13:07:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> sjws--
[13:07:20] <Bender> karma - sjws: -3
[13:07:22] <Subsentient> I hate both candidates, but being the die-hard utilitarian I am, I choose Hillary because she is likely to do less damage than Trump.
[13:07:48] <xhedit> i'm a libertarian. i haven't liked anyone in a major party since ron paul
[13:07:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, nah. hillary has the political machine to make sure anything she really wants passes. trump has fuck all to get past checks and balances.
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[13:08:29] <xhedit> trump wrecked the republican party, if he wins he can fuck the clinton machine. i'm down with that even if i hate trump
[13:08:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> xhedit, jill or gary?
[13:08:46] <xhedit> gary
[13:08:52] <boru> When is the election again?
[13:09:00] <xhedit> jill stein is a crackpot
[13:09:00] <Subsentient> November 8th I think
[13:09:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> me too prolly, i haven't seen who's polling higher lately
[13:09:25] <boru> Great. Only 4 more months of this wank everywhere.
[13:09:38] <Subsentient> yup
[13:09:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> but ima vote for whichever libertarian is polling higher just to help get them to federal funding level.
[13:09:50] <boru> Hopefully Yellowstone will erupt before then.
[13:09:53] <xhedit> yeah 5% would be sweet!
[13:09:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, one can hope
[13:10:00] <Subsentient> Bernie was the perfect candidate for me.
[13:10:17] <Subsentient> I'm also a socialist, but probably a lot more hardcore than Bernie is.
[13:10:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm the perfect candidate for me, i just can't be arsed to run.
[13:10:36] <xhedit> https://cdn.shopify.com
[13:10:43] <boru> I would vote for you, TMB.
[13:10:54] <boru> (If I were in a position to do so)
[13:10:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> gracias
[13:11:11] <Subsentient> Yeah I'd vote for you too.
[13:11:18] <boru> So long as I can lobby for a space eugenics program.
[13:11:21] <xhedit> i'm not a socialist, but bernie's an alright guy
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[13:11:38] <Subsentient> You care about freedom TheMightyBuzzard, and that makes you a good friend of mine.
[13:11:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> if i do ever run, i'll be running for emperor of north america though. it's about time we got mexico and canada on the same economic page so we can get rid of the pressures across the borders.
[13:11:49] <Subsentient> So yeah, I'd vote for you, even if you are a filthy, nasty capitalist.
[13:12:07] <boru> Doesn't the US already have shedloads of Freedom™?
[13:12:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, only on paper
[13:12:22] <Subsentient> Eh, not as much as you'd like to think
[13:12:25] <xhedit> no, we only have officially endorsed brands of freedom*
[13:12:26] <boru> I was being facetious.
[13:12:29] <xhedit> *may not contain freedom
[13:12:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> but police and politicians ignore the papers, so...
[13:12:39] <Subsentient> we do have it I think *slightly* more freedom than Europe, but only slightly.
[13:12:50] <boru> That's a good one.
[13:12:56] <xhedit> we have realish free speech and the courts enforce it
[13:13:04] <Subsentient> yup
[13:13:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> well we don't have cameras everywhere like GB, so there's that.
[13:13:08] <boru> Europe is not a single country, you know.
[13:13:09] <xhedit> and guns
[13:13:10] <xhedit> lots of guns
[13:13:21] <xhedit> don't worry, they're trying to fix that
[13:13:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmm.... guns.... *drools*
[13:13:26] <Subsentient> boru: Pick Germany or France or any of that, USA has slightly more freedom.
[13:13:39] <Subsentient> But, we have a lower standard of living.
[13:13:51] <Subsentient> No healthcare, no free college.
[13:13:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> tha hell you say
[13:14:07] <xhedit> it's amazing what having a whole continent subsidizing your military does for your public spending right?
[13:14:07] <boru> Non-NATO European countries, perhaps; Ireland, Switzerland etc.
[13:14:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> our poor people have an average of two televisions and one point some odd cars
[13:14:24] <boru> That RSF report on press freedom was quite interesting.
[13:14:40] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: I have no car. I am poor. Very poor. I make $750 a month.
[13:14:42] <xhedit> everyone's press is fucked
[13:14:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, you should probably buy spinning rims with an income like that.
[13:15:08] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Eugh
[13:15:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's what all the cool kids are doing
[13:15:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube read a book
[13:15:22] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[13:15:22] <xhedit> don't forget the $2000 sound system in your 1988 camry
[13:15:26] <Subsentient> I'm more likely to just place my head under the tire and disable the brakes.
[13:15:26] <boru> I've put off going to the US indefinitely. I had planned to see Arizona or Wyoming.
[13:15:39] <Subsentient> boru: I live in Arizona!!
[13:15:43] <xhedit> i'm sorry
[13:15:43] <boru> Or any of that strip of states along that longitude.
[13:15:48] <boru> What part?
[13:15:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> arizona might be scary to you. open carry.
[13:15:54] <Subsentient> Mesa, AZ. Near Phoenix.
[13:15:59] <boru> Scary to me?
[13:16:08] <boru> Say what?
[13:16:09] <Subsentient> In practice, it's extremely rare to see open carry here.
[13:16:13] <boru> Ah, yes, I know it on the map.
[13:16:21] <boru> OC isn't remotely a problem for me.
[13:16:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> ah, good good
[13:16:38] <Subsentient> Just be warned, it gets up to 120F in the summers.
[13:16:47] <xhedit> wyoming or montana seems way preferable to az to me
[13:16:49] <boru> I grew up with and own guns. No problems.
[13:16:54] <boru> Aye, Montana, also.
[13:16:55] <Subsentient> YOu'd think the lack of humidity makes it less horrible, it really doesn't
[13:17:02] <xhedit> it's a dry heat
[13:17:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> scares the fuck outa most eu folks
[13:17:13] <boru> You don't know many, I suspect?
[13:17:31] <xhedit> the uk people I know all hate guns
[13:17:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> only online. they don't come around much.
[13:18:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> for some reason OK and TN aren't big touristy spots.
[13:18:08] <boru> I haven't experienced it much, in any European country I've lived in/visited. Granted, I've always lived rurally.
[13:18:11] <Subsentient> I think it's better to either have no guns or everyone has guns. When you have just some people with guns, you get mass shootings etc
[13:18:39] <boru> You get mass shootings because of mentally unstable people.
[13:18:43] <xhedit> cold dead hands etc
[13:18:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> mass shootings be damned. when some people have guns you have tyranny.
[13:19:09] <Subsentient> I dunno, I think everyone should have guns..
[13:19:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> mass shootings are slightly less likely to kill you than lightning strikes or rabid badgers.
[13:19:17] <Subsentient> I'd probably use it to kill myself, so yeah.
[13:19:25] <xhedit> rabid wombats
[13:19:27] <boru> I was attacked by a rabid badger once.
[13:19:34] <boru> Whilst out lamping one night.
[13:19:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> xhedit, nah, that's crutchy
[13:19:41] <xhedit> i pet a kangaroo once
[13:20:09] <xhedit> australia's terrifying btw, don't go there
[13:20:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> think our residen ozzie may have gotten eaten by a dropbear
[13:20:37] <boru> Anyway, long story short, I consider OC to be a perk for a given location.
[13:20:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i dig it as well
[13:21:02] <boru> More liberal gun laws was a part of my motivation for relocating to the US.
[13:21:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> though i'm currently soured on guns since i had to use one last night
[13:21:09] <boru> s/was/were
[13:21:09] * sedctl offers buru a /
[13:21:09] * sedctl offers buru a /
[13:21:18] <boru> Pft. That's a vim regexp!
[13:21:46] <xhedit> i live in a rural part of eastcoastcommiestan, hard to get a concealed permit and no OC :(
[13:21:47] <boru> So I read in the scrollback. Not easy, that.
[13:22:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> xhedit, try TN. you see folks in grocery stores with pistols on their hips here.
[13:22:34] <xhedit> I have relatives in TN
[13:22:51] <boru> TN == Tennessee, right?
[13:22:52] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Interestingly I can't remember the last time I saw someone open carry in Arizona.
[13:22:53] <boru> (sp?)
[13:22:55] <xhedit> I thought TN was a shithole until I went to kentucky
[13:23:30] <Subsentient> boru: yes, TN == Tennessee, AZ == Arizona
[13:23:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed. try west virginia
[13:23:45] <xhedit> I lived in best virginia
[13:23:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> the hole is even shittier
[13:23:46] <boru> Aye, I know most of the abbreviations, just wasn't sure about TN.
[13:23:53] <xhedit> i liked it
[13:23:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto. charleston.
[13:24:12] <xhedit> wiley ford heh
[13:24:12] <boru> Have any of you been hunting in Wyoming or Montana?
[13:24:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> proper name is i believe west by god virginia
[13:25:14] <xhedit> nope, i've only flown over
[13:25:40] <xhedit> hunted in alaska though
[13:25:50] <boru> Very nice. How was it?
[13:25:56] <xhedit> alaska is awesome, at least in teh summer.
[13:26:10] <boru> What's in season in Summer?
[13:26:24] <xhedit> whatever you want, there's like zero police
[13:26:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, draw a line north and south of OK and i've been pretty much everywhere on that line or east of it
[13:27:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm afraid if i go west of it i'll catch hippie from the californians
[13:27:16] <xhedit> but deer and moose mostly
[13:27:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[13:27:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[13:27:32] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 104
[13:27:34] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Come to Arizona
[13:28:04] <boru> Hook me up with a GC, and I'll go to Arizona. I will require a building permit for an observatory, also.
[13:30:30] <xhedit> coffee++
[13:30:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2774
[13:31:29] <Subsentient> xhedit: Coffee puts me to sleep. :^(
[13:34:16] <xhedit> drink more of it
[13:36:44] <xhedit> also, drink black coffee not that milk tainted crap
[13:37:55] <n1> water++
[13:37:55] <Bender> karma - water: 33
[13:39:23] <xhedit> smoke meth and hail satan++
[13:39:32] <xhedit> dang, doesn't like nonbreaking spaces
[13:40:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, nah, yall got hippies too.
[13:40:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:40:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2775
[13:41:00] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: not nearly as many :^)
[13:41:20] <xhedit> it takes a special breed of hipster to wear skinny jeans in 120f
[13:41:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> true but hippieness is contagious. check any college if you don't believe me.
[13:42:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, 120f with 0% humidity would be niiiiiiice compared to what i gotta mow in.
[13:43:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> that trip back to OK i was like it's 95F and 30% humidity, i could stay out in this ALL DAY.
[13:43:55] <xhedit> it's usually 95f and 100% here, but it's only 70 today
[13:44:33] <xhedit> i'd go outside but i'd burst into flames or something
[13:45:16] <n1> was it yesterday or so we talked about working on cars and such? ... was fate, got an oil warning light now :|
[13:45:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather
[13:45:22] <MrPlow> Today: Scattered thunderstorms this morning, then partly cloudy during the afternoon hours. Hot and humid. High 93F. Winds W at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 60%. Tomorrow: Sunshine and clouds mixed. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. High 96F. Winds W at 5 to 10 mph.
[13:45:39] <xhedit> add some damn oil then man
[13:45:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> so 93F and 100% today. ima stay the fuck inside.
[13:46:37] <n1> xhedit, for now i'm being lazy and using a different car that doesn't have an oil warning light flashing at me.
[13:47:36] <xhedit> whats the vehicle with the problem?
[13:47:51] <n1> i actually need to figure out what oil it needs, getting a lot of different answers from the googles and i can't find it in the book.
[13:48:06] <xhedit> the cap or a sticker usually tells you
[13:48:15] <n1> is a BMW 330
[13:48:18] <xhedit> in summer it doesn't actually matter
[13:51:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - EU Commission Proposes Central Database Record of Virtual Currency Users - http://sylnt.us - gonna-need-more-wallets-and-aliases
[13:52:01] <Gravis> xhedit: smoke meth? there is nothing good about that
[13:52:21] <Runaway1956> http://www.foxnews.com
[13:52:25] <n1> gonna see if i can find somewhere to do it for me as there's is pretty much no oil in the engine apparently and seems just as expensive to buy oil and do it myself...
[13:52:27] <systemd> ^ 03Woman killed in London attack was an American, police say | Fox News
[13:52:39] <Runaway1956> "a Norwegian man of Somali origin"
[13:52:56] <Runaway1956> WTF is that supposed to be? He's another raghead - he's no more Norwegian than I am.
[13:53:26] <xhedit> uh oh, i woke the troll
[13:53:55] <xhedit> Gravis: are you an ultrasound?
[13:53:55] <Runaway1956> You should put the other trolls to sleep - damned lying media.
[13:54:58] <Runaway1956> What kinda car, n1 ??
[13:55:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, fu. i only been up four hours. gotta be at least five before a nap.
[13:55:25] <n1> as mentioned above, is a BMW 330
[13:55:58] <Runaway1956> How did I miss that? Oh - I scrolled partway down before the headline caught my eye, didn't finish scrolling down.
[13:56:44] <n1> is a nice car for the weekend, 2 door coupe, leather seats with lots of adjustment
[13:56:52] <n1> not a fan of the auto box in it though
[13:57:14] * Runaway1956 is not a fan of automatics at all
[13:57:42] <Runaway1956> Anyone who can't figure out a 4, 5, or 6-speed shouldn't be trusted to navigate the highways
[13:57:43] <n1> is only the second car ive had for a while with an auto
[13:58:05] <n1> but in the UK, manual are more common than auto
[13:58:36] <Runaway1956> I wish that were so here - I refuse to pay for new vehicles, and used cars are almost all auto
[13:58:52] <n1> Runaway1956, the london stabbing person apparently moved from norway to the uk at 5 years old according to TFA
[13:59:14] <Gravis> <Runaway1956> "a Norwegian man of Somali origin" WTF is that supposed to be? <-- it means he's a Norwegian resident that was originally from Somalia, you fucktard
[13:59:24] <Runaway1956> Yeah, but he's not Norwegian
[13:59:50] <Runaway1956> And, obviously, he's not English either.
[13:59:56] <xhedit> Gravis: can I confirm that you are or are not an ultrasound pls
[14:00:15] <Gravis> Runaway1956: so he didn't live in norway?
[14:00:17] <Runaway1956> The article doesnt' say so, but I'll bet a paycheck that he's Muslim.
[14:00:24] <n1> not norwegian, not english, probably didn't live in somalia beyond the age of 2
[14:00:30] <Runaway1956> Living in Norway doesn't make you Norwegian
[14:00:40] <n1> and we wonder why people are confused about their identity
[14:00:51] <Gravis> Runaway1956: you do understand that "Norwegian" isn't a race, right?
[14:01:29] <Runaway1956> He's a lost soul, who belongs to no culture except the religion of death -
[14:01:38] <Runaway1956> Norwegians never were death worshippers
[14:01:50] <xhedit> what about heathens?
[14:02:03] <Gravis> Runaway1956: sounds like you talked yourself into a corner and just realized how fucking retarded you're being
[14:02:18] <Gravis> xhedit: learn latin, you stupid fuck
[14:02:24] <Runaway1956> Be restpectful asshole - you're the retard
[14:02:41] <Runaway1956> Norwegian is a nationality and a culture, and this asshole doesn't belong
[14:02:53] <Gravis> Runaway1956: you have to be respectable if you want me to be respectful
[14:02:59] <xhedit> you don't even know me well enough to issue judgment on my stupidity
[14:03:09] <n1> is anders breivik not Norwegian?
[14:03:44] <Runaway1956> Anders Breivid is obviously Norwegian - he didn't kill people in the name of Allah, he killed in the name of White Supremay
[14:03:51] <Runaway1956> Supremacy
[14:03:52] <Gravis> xhedit: you exude, idiocy, so there isn't much to know.
[14:04:02] <xhedit> how rude!
[14:04:14] <Runaway1956> Gravis is rudeness incarnate
[14:04:45] <xhedit> but he doesn't know how to use commas, so there's that.
[14:04:48] <Runaway1956> Therefore, Gravis is probably not an ultrasound
[14:05:30] <Runaway1956> WTF does an ultrasound have to do with anything - are one of you guys pregnant?
[14:05:41] <xhedit> gravis ultrasound was an old sound card
[14:05:59] <Runaway1956> Mmmmmm. . . . gotta look that one up . . .
[14:06:19] <Gravis> and that's the only thing people who don't know latin know about "gravis"
[14:06:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, dude... how did you not get that added to your trivia file?
[14:06:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, dudane lactae desidiris
[14:06:59] <Runaway1956> My Trivial Pursuit game hasn't been updated in decades
[14:08:02] <Runaway1956> Oh, n1 - ""So far we have found no evidence of radicalization "
[14:08:20] <Runaway1956> I would say that stabbing random people to death is at least a sign of radicalization
[14:08:46] <Runaway1956> Most places, waving a knife in peopel's faces is radical enough to get a person shot dead, dead, dead.
[14:09:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> excepting kitchens of course
[14:09:23] <n1> and the circus
[14:09:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed
[14:09:31] <xhedit> Gravis: still waiting on ultrasound confirmation
[14:09:34] <Runaway1956> Even in a kitchen one keeps his knives under control, and out of people's faces
[14:10:01] <Runaway1956> I'm pretty sure that Gravis delivers all of his speech in a monotone, so no "sound" card.
[14:10:09] <Gravis> xhedit: yes, it weighs upon me. -_-
[14:10:13] <n1> i do wonder where we draw the line between 'of sound mind terrorism' and 'mentally disturbed violence'
[14:10:31] <boru> I always imagined a shrill, prepubescent voice, rather.
[14:10:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, i'm still waiting for an answer as well
[14:10:44] <Runaway1956> There's no line to draw, IMHO - Islam teaches it's folowers to kill infidels.
[14:11:15] <Runaway1956> prepubescent, or post-virility?
[14:11:18] <n1> so we kill those who teach to kill, except us, because we're killing ideologically for the right reasons?
[14:11:30] <Gravis> ^
[14:11:38] <Runaway1956> That's near enough for argument's sake, n1
[14:11:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> n1, we kill those trying to kill us because: duh
[14:12:16] <Runaway1956> It requires no reason, nor rationale, to protect your own from the outsider
[14:12:18] <n1> well, as someone who went to school with muslims, continue to work with and for muslims, they've yet to take their opportunity
[14:12:24] <Runaway1956> call it xenophobia if you like
[14:12:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> even animals understand that much morality
[14:12:53] <Runaway1956> I'll compromise - let's not kill all the Muslims.
[14:12:58] <n1> Runaway1956, what about protecting your own from the insider?
[14:13:02] <Runaway1956> Just the violent ones, and their families
[14:13:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar, most muslims are not especially by the book. much like most christians.
[14:13:19] <boru> Or, you know, stop systematically bombing the ME. Perhaps people there won't become so 'radicalised' then.
[14:13:38] <Runaway1956> Protecting my family from the insider? I know you're not suggesting that I assassinate either of the big names in politics
[14:13:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, they were radicalized while we were sitting over here going lalalala and paying them no attention at all
[14:14:11] <Runaway1956> Well, boru , I've said all along that we should never have invaded Iraq, but that damned Bush wouldn't listen to me
[14:14:11] <boru> For how long? Before the first US military incursion into the ME?
[14:14:19] <Runaway1956> he chose to listen to that idiot Blair instead
[14:14:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> you mean the UN incursion to liberate kuwait? quite a long time really.
[14:15:09] <Runaway1956> Uhhh, TMB, don't blame the Gulf War on the UN - that was US
[14:15:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> 9/11 was by no means the first ismalic radical attack on the US. just the only one that was successful for us to notice.
[14:15:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, part two, sure. part one was the UN.
[14:15:28] <n1> and what notice was taken
[14:15:51] <Runaway1956> 9/11 wasn't even the first attack on the Twin Towers
[14:15:56] <n1> lots of money spend, lots of bombs dropped, thousands killed, military operations officially in half a dozen states
[14:16:05] <n1> now i feel sage
[14:16:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, had that other guy with the car bomb in the parking garage.
[14:16:06] <n1> safe*
[14:16:22] <Runaway1956> n1 looks sage
[14:16:30] <n1> i wish
[14:16:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks more like paprika to me
[14:16:44] <Runaway1956> Old Sage Brush, we call him
[14:16:57] <boru> 1815 seems to be the first that I can come across.
[14:17:05] <boru> US goes to war with Algeria.
[14:17:15] <xhedit> damn musselmen
[14:17:15] <Runaway1956> Yeah, had to put the pirates in their places
[14:17:32] <boru> Were the ME people in the US uppity before then?
[14:17:35] <Runaway1956> "From the Halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli"
[14:17:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, weren't enough of them to count
[14:17:52] <Runaway1956> Some of the slaves got uppity, yes
[14:18:11] <boru> My point is, in case it wasn't obvious, the chickens have come home to roost.
[14:18:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh
[14:18:29] <xhedit> seems like they've gone to europe actually, rather than coming home
[14:18:31] <Runaway1956> So chop the chicken's heads off, and fry them up for Sunday dinner
[14:19:00] <n1> but then we'd need to find a new enemy to distract and scare us with
[14:19:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not taking the blame for them being psychotic fucktards and even if i did it's still morally correct for us to kill them if they're trying to kill us.
[14:19:31] <boru> I'm just saying that it's not sustainable.
[14:19:42] <n1> if someone is trying to kill people, then they should be stopped, but if they're just "a group of military aged men gathering in a tribal region of afghanistan"
[14:19:43] <Gravis> "<TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not taking the blame for them being psychotic fucktards" <-- who, americans with guns? :)
[14:19:44] <n1> is not quite the same
[14:20:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure it is. neither side is likely to run out of soldiers any time soon
[14:20:01] <xhedit> that's why we got other muslims to fight them over there these days
[14:20:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, no, your parents.
[14:20:56] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i'll be sure to tell them for you. ;)
[14:21:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm sure they're otherwise nice people but they did raise you and must take the blame for how you turned out.
[14:21:51] <Runaway1956> Not nice, TMB - I raised one out of three that I'm proud of.
[14:21:57] <Runaway1956> Genetics is a crap shoot
[14:22:07] <Gravis> LOL
[14:22:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, shaddup, that was a perfectly good zinger and you're bringing logic into things.
[14:22:24] <xhedit> you can always blame the mother, Runaway1956
[14:22:37] <Gravis> Runaway1956: maybe you shouldn't have married your sister. ;P
[14:22:38] <Runaway1956> ROFLMAO
[14:23:11] <Runaway1956> try to give Gravis the benefit of the doubt, and he opens his mouth to prove himself an idjit
[14:23:29] <xhedit> he's probably a cisfemale hunnie
[14:23:50] <Runaway1956> Up until now, I had little idea who xhedit might be . . . .
[14:24:01] * TheMightyBuzzard demands an answer to his question
[14:24:11] <xhedit> i just think tsubasa is hilarious deranged
[14:24:12] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: 7
[14:24:20] <xhedit> hilariously, even
[14:24:27] <Runaway1956> deranged, and defanged
[14:24:33] * TheMightyBuzzard hands Gravis seven milk duds
[14:24:53] <xhedit> i only make AC comments on the site
[14:25:06] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you mad man, theses are almost entirely made of sugar!
[14:25:19] <Runaway1956> That might be safer than my posting - AC for the win!
[14:25:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, there's a little coco in there as well to balance things out
[14:25:38] <xhedit> same on slashdot, i just call ami mojo a sjw in every thread
[14:26:04] <Runaway1956> gravis doesn't appreciate the vitamin C ????? Cocoa, man, cocoa - it makes everything alright.
[14:26:47] <Runaway1956> Is it true that chocolate can increase your sperm count?
[14:26:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> forgot you were allergic to that particular brand of carbohydrate though
[14:27:22] <Gravis> Runaway1956: they literally have 0 mg of vitiamin C
[14:27:39] <Runaway1956> If that is so, then WTF is cocoa?
[14:27:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i did ask you if you wanted them. "dudane lactae desidiris". you answered seven.
[14:27:59] <Runaway1956> Cocoa has TWO big C's in it
[14:28:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, you have a point
[14:28:23] <Gravis> Runaway1956: http://www.quitehealthy.com
[14:28:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a pretty dumb one but it is a point.
[14:28:29] <systemd> ^ 03Hershey's Milk Duds Candy - Calories, Carbs, Fat
[14:28:31] <boru> What's a milk dud?
[14:28:33] <boru> Oh, nevermind.
[14:28:46] <xhedit> theatre trash
[14:28:49] <boru> Exotic American delicassy.
[14:28:59] <Runaway1956> It's an explosive with milk in it that proved to be a dud, so we eat them
[14:28:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> chocolate-ish substance over carmel
[14:29:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> or rather caramel if you want it spelled correctly
[14:29:42] <boru> Yes, I'm not sure Carmel would appreciate being coated with pseudochocolate.
[14:29:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> we should try and find out
[14:29:58] <Gravis> or over camel if you don't wnat it spelled correctly. :)
[14:30:07] <Runaway1956> Mt. Carmel, coated in chocolate? Sounds cool to me
[14:30:09] * boru fetches his sputtering chamber.
[14:31:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, you could totally get a camel through the eye of the needle pretty easy if it was coated in chocolaty stuff that was melting in the heat
[14:31:21] <Runaway1956> Trash day today, I suppose I better take trash out. BBIAB
[14:31:31] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: no but you might be able to manage it near the horizon of a black hole
[14:31:51] <Gravis> event horizon*
[14:31:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> "eye of the needle" being the smaller gate used for bringing camels in when you did NOT want to have the main gates open. was apparently a pain in the ass to get them through.
[14:32:02] <xhedit> boru: s/fet/fel/
[14:32:02] <sedctl> <xhedit> <boru> felches his sputtering chamber.
[14:32:02] <sedctl> <xhedit> <boru> felches his sputtering chamber.
[14:32:07] <Runaway1956> That "eye of the needle" thing? Yeah, TMB got it.
[14:32:39] * TheMightyBuzzard flexes his trivia muscles
[14:33:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, i knew there was something i liked about you. we have the same trash day.
[14:33:28] <Gravis> Runaway1956: trash day? oh, so you aren't returning? :)
[14:33:36] <boru> Is that under one's control?
[14:33:51] <boru> Or do the collectors come on certain days?
[14:34:06] <xhedit> depends on how much money you want to spend
[14:34:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> no but it's an indicator of awesomeness much like your astrological sign
[14:34:41] <boru> I'd consider that to be an indicator of something, alright.
[14:34:48] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[14:35:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, front page is loading slower than it should. not slow, just slower.
[14:35:35] <xhedit> my astrological sign is sagittarius a*
[14:36:09] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: many cities share the same day for trash collection.
[14:36:15] <boru> I have no shortage of astronomy puns, but I'll spare you.
[14:36:16] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: including mine
[14:36:32] <xhedit> pls don't
[14:36:37] * TheMightyBuzzard bets gravis is a cancer
[14:36:39] <Runaway1956> Actually, we have one trash collector contracted to pick up the trash for the entire county
[14:36:45] <Gravis> xhedit: oh but i shall. ;)
[14:36:55] <Runaway1956> On Thursdays, he picks up the north end of the county
[14:37:24] <cmn32480> boru - that you will spare us is star-tling
[14:37:32] <cmn32480> did you planet that way?
[14:37:33] * Runaway1956 wishes the wife would go shopping so he can kill aliens
[14:37:44] <boru> Stop, you don't know what you're asking for.
[14:38:24] <Gravis> boru: the destruction of all rational thought to plunge the world into madness?
[14:38:46] <boru> Didn't that happen in the 00s?
[14:38:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> sounds good but didn't that already happen?
[14:39:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg, ninja'd
[14:39:20] <Runaway1956> In a rational world, all of our political candidates would be laughed out of town
[14:39:53] <Gravis> must have happened in the last two years then
[14:41:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, there hasn't been a D/R candidate any sane person would vote for in about 20 years
[14:41:36] <cmn32480> woudl it be an error of galactic proportions?
[14:41:37] <Runaway1956> I voted for What-his-name
[14:41:48] <xhedit> cmn32480: it wouldn't phase me
[14:41:55] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: aww, you just miss the cold war, don't you.
[14:42:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.techdirt.com
[14:42:17] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[14:42:43] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[14:42:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya. i believe i do.
[14:42:58] <Runaway1956> Comcast is out of it's freaking mind - as are most of the other internet companies
[14:43:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> during the cold war it was a BAD thing to be a socialist.
[14:43:49] <cmn32480> I believe the chances of making this happen are astronomical
[14:44:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, you may be on the cusp of something there
[14:44:53] <Gravis> Runaway1956: which is exactly why they will be destroyed given time
[14:45:37] <Runaway1956> Given time, we'll all be destroyed, as well as our sun and planet.
[14:45:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, screw time. i say we put em alongside Sirius Cybernetics Corporation.
[14:46:15] <cmn32480> we gotta be careful with puns.. we dont' wanna get punch orbit
[14:46:37] <Runaway1956> Oh - yay me! I got 20 million credits! http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com
[14:46:38] <systemd> ^ 03Runaway1956 - User Summary - EXTREME Overclocking Folding @ Home Stats
[14:47:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> but... they're so humerus. i have no bones with them.
[14:47:03] <xhedit> what's the matter with puns? I'll continue to accrete them.
[14:48:08] <cmn32480> xhedit - there is a certain gravity ot the situation
[14:48:25] <xhedit> there's absolutely zero issues here man.
[14:48:26] <Gravis> cmn32480: that would be me
[14:49:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're gravis. "gravity" is derived from gravis. the higgs boson creates gravity. gravis is a higgs boson.
[14:50:42] <xhedit> technically the higgs boson carries gravity so gravis is just some jerk getting a free ride
[14:50:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> well no, the higgs creates the mass for gravity to act on. hrm...
[14:50:58] <n1> so they built the LHC to find Gravis, but he's just hiding out here?
[14:51:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> n1, always in the last place you look
[14:51:29] <cmn32480> we should hide him someplace better....
[14:51:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, we're plenty obscure
[14:51:53] <xhedit> probably, unless we want proton beams flying around teh channel
[14:52:07] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders that
[14:52:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> depends on who's flinging them and if the streams cross.
[14:52:51] <Runaway1956> How synchronous are those beams? I might want to duck.
[14:53:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, ducks will not save you.
[14:53:17] <xhedit> those beams will really foul you up
[14:53:40] <Runaway1956> if not ducks, how about pigeons?
[14:53:48] <cmn32480> if we feather them properly, we can make it work
[14:54:16] * TheMightyBuzzard bails in favor of vidya
[14:54:18] <Runaway1956> https://www.rt.com
[14:54:25] <systemd> ^ 03Ultra-fast pigeon filmed speeding down highway at 100kph (VIDEO) — RT Viral ( https://www.rt.com )
[15:02:15] <Runaway1956> This is the kind of thing that happens when your mistress lives in the same state as your wife.
[15:02:21] <Runaway1956> http://www.china.org.cn
[15:02:27] <systemd> ^ 03Mistress knocks down pregnant wife, killing twin fetuses- China.org.cn
[15:02:56] <Runaway1956> I suspect that man will not be getting very much action in the near future.
[15:03:27] <n1> or got rid of both the wife and mistress in one go
[15:03:30] <n1> no loose ends
[15:04:46] <xhedit> now he can play vidya all day
[15:05:05] <cmn32480> lucky bastard
[15:05:21] <Runaway1956> Is that TMB's secret? He keeps his wife and mistress in the same town?
[15:06:05] <cmn32480> nah... I think he just doesn't have either one
[15:06:18] <cmn32480> I think his method is BCOD
[15:06:29] <cmn32480> Booty Call On Demand
[15:06:36] <Runaway1956> Is that better than the four F's?
[15:06:45] <cmn32480> for F's?
[15:07:01] <Runaway1956> Find 'em, feel 'em, fuck 'em, and forget 'em
[15:07:18] <cmn32480> certainly makes the contact DB in your phone not grow so quick
[15:07:54] <Runaway1956> When will they come out with terabyte phones?
[15:07:58] <Runaway1956> Or, terrabyte?
[15:08:36] <Runaway1956> I could have the phone listing for every nubile female in America, and then some
[15:09:30] <xhedit> don't be silly... you can fit them all on a 256gb microsd
[15:09:55] <Runaway1956> Complete with their nekkid pics?
[15:10:07] <Runaway1956> And, vidyas?
[15:10:33] <xhedit> that's what the cloud's for ;)
[15:11:19] <Runaway1956> Yeah, but I may feel the need to view a pornographic video while I'm in the Holland Tunnel or something. There arent' any clouds in the tunnel.
[15:12:57] <xhedit> just do what I do - keep a stash of your favorites in your twrp recovery folder in case you get stranded on mars and need to fap
[15:13:38] <Runaway1956> Whoa, waitaminit - stranded on Mars? You're saying Triple-A doesn't do service calls on Mars?
[15:13:52] <Runaway1956> Racists.
[15:14:10] <xhedit> shit, did they disagree with a democrat now?
[15:14:38] <Runaway1956> doesn't everyone? Martians certainly disagree with Dems.
[15:15:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> no they don't. martians are all dead and therefore registered democrat.
[15:15:41] <xhedit> bacteria lives matter
[15:15:47] <Runaway1956> Touche'
[15:16:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube grandpa voted democrat
[15:16:19] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[15:18:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ray's looking kinda old.
[15:19:22] <cmn32480> There are clouds in the Holland Tunnelll.. but they are clouds of Diesel exhaust
[15:20:47] * Runaway1956 is just glad he doesn't have to drive into NYC anymore
[15:22:13] <Runaway1956> http://www.nj.com
[15:22:16] <cmn32480> funny.. NYC says the same thing
[15:22:18] <systemd> ^ 03Hudson River tolls set to go up again on Sunday, with highest at $126 | NJ.com
[15:22:54] <Runaway1956> First time I crossed the GWB in an 18 wheeler, the toll was $12.50
[15:25:42] <n1> 18 wheels on the cart, how many horses?
[15:26:38] <boru> How many legs do the horses have?
[15:29:15] <Gravis> boru: like... total?
[15:29:35] <Gravis> boru: frankly, i don't know how many horses their are.
[15:29:47] <Gravis> there*
[15:30:51] <Runaway1956> First truck I drove had 240 HP naturally aspirated engine
[15:31:51] <Runaway1956> It started life as a 220 HP engine but the mechs turned it up a little bit to 240 - next one I drove was 250, then I finally got a 300.
[15:32:47] <Runaway1956> When I grew up, I got a Caterpillar 425, which had been turned up to 550
[15:33:15] <Runaway1956> Basically, just swap out the turbocharger, turn up the fuel injection a little bit
[15:35:54] <n1> good ol' diesel engines
[15:35:55] <xhedit> i have a shitty 200 hp ford exploder ;(
[15:35:57] <boru> I was priming a syllogism about horses having an infinite number of legs. Alas, the moment has passed.
[15:36:59] <n1> the door was open for a while...
[15:37:03] <Runaway1956> 200 horse engine is powerful, if it's mated to the right transmission and rear end. I hauled many an overload with that little 240.
[15:37:20] <n1> is all about them torques!
[15:37:54] <xhedit> don't worry, it sucks. it can haul 6k on a good day with a trans cooler
[15:38:28] * Runaway1956 prefers a moderately strong engine with lots of gears and highway rearends
[15:39:01] <Runaway1956> The guy down the street can burn the rubber off his car at any stoplight, but he can't keep up with me on the highway
[15:39:05] <xhedit> trucking seems like a cool job, too bad it'll be gone in 10 years
[15:39:28] <Runaway1956> Heh - it's already gone. You couldn't pay me enough to go back out there today.
[15:39:49] <n1> hah
[15:39:55] <xhedit> i still see rigs on the road so i'm pretty sure someone's driving them
[15:40:04] <Runaway1956> The computer watches your every move, if you go 15 minutes over your hours, it shuts down
[15:40:13] <n1> driving took all the fun out of driving these days...
[15:40:31] <n1> just in general, at least in these parts
[15:40:34] <xhedit> what, you can't take some amphetamines and drive for 3 days any more?
[15:40:59] <boru> Keep it interesting. Drive on the footpath.
[15:41:14] <Runaway1956> Never needed drugs - I can sit at the wheel for 20 hours, get a four hour nap, fuel up, eat breakfast, and go for another 20 hours, as much as 5 days straight
[15:41:36] <boru> "What do you listen to whilst you're driving?" "Just screaming."
[15:41:47] <xhedit> I get psychosis after 8 hours on the road
[15:42:09] <Runaway1956> If you start out psychotic, you won't get psychosis.
[15:42:18] <xhedit> that's fair
[15:42:30] <n1> xhedit, 8-10hrs is my limit of feeling competent
[15:42:32] <xhedit> i think i meant highway hypnosis or whatever
[15:43:11] <n1> but that might be because the end of that 8-10 hours is usually driving through fucking london and counting how many different enforcement cameras there is per meter
[15:43:20] <Runaway1956> That's what the radios are for, to help keep you alert
[15:43:23] <xhedit> lol uk driving
[15:43:41] <xhedit> i love my speeding
[15:43:48] <xhedit> too much to ever drive in england
[15:44:01] <boru> Driving in the UK is more fun when you have foreign plates. You can just blaze through all the camera zones.
[15:44:11] <n1> boru, jersey plates will do.
[15:44:26] <n1> somehow gets lost in the post if you're a jersey resident
[15:44:38] <boru> Get's lost into the bin?
[15:44:44] <Runaway1956> I suppose that Texas plates would be a conversation piece in the UK
[15:44:57] <Runaway1956> specially if the car had longhorns on the hood
[15:45:01] <boru> Err, gets, not get's.
[15:45:06] <xhedit> think he's talking about old jersey
[15:45:06] <boru> Too much German today...
[15:45:15] <n1> Runaway1956, yeah, not a lot of US plates here
[15:45:39] <n1> see lots of swiss, russian and dubai plates though
[15:45:42] <xhedit> they don't even speak english in jersey.. either jersey
[15:45:42] <Runaway1956> Probably more US plates than longhorn hood ornaments though
[15:45:43] <n1> along with all the eu ones
[15:47:05] <xhedit> do they drive from the uae?
[15:47:23] <xhedit> or is it all rich people shipping cars around
[15:47:25] <n1> they get their ferraris and bentleys shipped over for shopping trips
[15:48:01] <n1> shopping trips may or may not be for large areas of london and the rest of the country
[15:48:27] <Runaway1956> "Top ten things to do on Jersey Island"
[15:48:46] <Runaway1956> "In the morning, ride your moped all the way around the island, widdershins"
[15:49:08] <Runaway1956> "In the evening, ride your moped all the way around the island shins"
[15:49:25] <Runaway1956> Exciting place, eh?
[15:50:00] <boru> The moped game there must be great.
[15:50:12] <Runaway1956> Apologies to island dwellers everywhere - I've had some great times on little islands
[15:50:48] <boru> Not to worry. We don't take you mainlanders seriously.
[15:51:09] <xhedit> i'd to visit iceland ... in the summer
[15:51:15] * Runaway1956 remembers tying up to a wharf, and we doubled the square footage of the island
[15:51:39] <boru> Iceland is quite amazing.
[15:51:59] <boru> Be sure you get to visit the north.
[15:52:00] <Runaway1956> Icelanders are just Newfies, but further east, right?
[15:52:02] <xhedit> seems like my kinda place, i like deserted pretty islands
[15:52:48] <boru> I thought Newfies were just Irish, but further West.
[15:52:48] <xhedit> Runaway1956: I think icelanders can speak english
[15:52:57] <boru> Ouch.
[15:53:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dispute Over the Pasteur Institute President's Age - http://sylnt.us - taking-a-'shot'-at-ageism
[15:53:22] <Runaway1956> Two more touche's seen here - one for boru and one for xhedit
[15:55:29] <Runaway1956> Hmmmm - the gaming rig is sitting idle. It looks lonesome. Should I go kill aliens? Or, should I just let them take over the world?
[15:56:02] <Runaway1956> Oooops, waited to long, the wife just came back in the house.
[15:57:15] * Runaway1956 didn't know that Phoenix had a Serial Street
[15:57:27] <Runaway1956> http://edition.cnn.com
[15:57:33] <systemd> ^ 03Phoenix police: 'Serial shooter' linked to 9th shooting - CNN.com
[16:02:15] <xhedit> Runaway1956: that's why you put the gaming rig in the garage and 'work on the car' or something.
[16:03:15] * Runaway1956 needs a "how-to for dummies"
[16:03:44] <Runaway1956> I have four kernels residing on my main drive, and can't figure out how to configure Grub2 to give me a menu for them
[16:04:00] <Runaway1956> All it offers is the default, 4.6
[16:12:15] <xhedit> https://askubuntu.com
[16:12:21] <systemd> ^ 03boot - How can I show all kernels in the Grub2 menu, ie disable submenu ("Previous Linux Versions")? - Ask Ubuntu
[16:13:31] <Runaway1956> That sure looks like what I've been searching for xhedit
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[16:29:50] <xhedit> my search-fu is stronk
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[16:36:00] <Runaway1956> xhedit is my hero of the hour
[16:36:22] <Runaway1956> I've got a little work to do before my old kernel will work again, but I can boot to it now
[16:36:25] <Runaway1956> many thanks, man
[16:36:33] <xhedit> np
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[16:59:14] <Runaway1956> YES!!! System: Host: sabayon-pc Kernel: 4.2.0-sabayon x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
[16:59:14] <Runaway1956> Distro: Sabayon Linux amd64 16.08
[17:03:42] <Runaway1956> LOL - after switching kernels, emerge believes that the last sync was months ago
[17:03:53] <Runaway1956> gotta sync before installing anything
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[17:54:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Comcast Wants to Charge for Privacy - http://sylnt.us - and-charge-for-bandwidth-consumed-by-ads
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[22:28:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Test of Elevated Bus in China - http://sylnt.us - don't-knock-it-till-you've-tried-it
[22:30:53] <Deucalion> SirFinkus, yup - Diego the stick chart bot took one to the back of the head behind the outhouse the other day (it was quick n clean) as it was kinda pointless. So the irc stats page now just points to the PISG output which at least has some comedic value and a little substance.
[22:31:02] <Deucalion> ~weather juggs
[22:31:04] <exec> 10London, UK - currently 64°F / 18°C, clear with periodic clouds, wind W at 9 mph, humidity 71% - Thursday clear with periodic clouds (56°F:72°F / 13°C:22°C), Friday mostly cloudy (56°F:75°F / 13°C:24°C), Saturday partly cloudy (60°F:77°F / 16°C:25°C), Sunday partly cloudy (57°F:76°F / 14°C:24°C)
[22:33:05] <SirFinkus> a bit surprised konomi is still on the list as a most active user
[22:39:35] <Deucalion> Yeh.... it is a 628 day reporting period mind. Maybe we ought to think about making that last 90 days or something ~shrug~ But then it's kinda nice to have an all time HoF too :D
[22:52:20] <takyon> who
[22:53:23] <cmn32480> ooooo
[22:53:26] <cmn32480> pretty colors!
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[23:02:48] <cmn32480> takyon++
[23:02:48] <Bender> karma - takyon: 26
[23:03:18] <takyon> I crash SoylentNews
[23:13:42] <cmn32480> hmmmmmm
[23:13:47] <cmn32480> I am 5th on the stats list
[23:13:48] <cmn32480> must
[23:13:49] <cmn32480> post
[23:13:51] <cmn32480> moar
[23:13:52] <cmn32480> lines
[23:13:55] <cmn32480> to
[23:13:57] <cmn32480> move
[23:13:57] <takyon> http://www.anandtech.com
[23:13:59] <cmn32480> up
[23:14:03] <systemd> ^ 03Western Digital Adds Helium-Filled WD Gold 10 TB HDD to Lineup
[23:14:18] <takyon> https://www.hpcwire.com
[23:14:19] <systemd> ^ 03IBM Phase Change Device Shows Promise for Emerging AI Apps
[23:22:32] <takyon> http://www.nextbigfuture.com
[23:22:33] <systemd> ^ 03Next Big Future: NASA proposes asteroid redirect mission with ion engine 20 times more powerful than recent Dawn mission
[23:28:15] <Deucalion> Oooh my firefox has started blocking webpage elements that "may contain tracking elements / content" - I'll have to have a read up on that, maybe able to drop an extension or two if it's doing it natively now and is as thorough.
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