#Soylent | Logs for 2016-07-23
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[00:31:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China to Ban Ad Blocking - http://sylnt.us - is-'malware-protection'-OK?
[00:53:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay folks, i'm out until sunday sometime most likely
[00:54:20] <chromas> windows-- # still can't ctrl+backspace in text edit fields
[00:54:20] <Bender> karma - windows: -20
[00:57:22] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[01:04:26] <Bytram> chromas: what should ctrl+backspace do?
[01:04:37] <Bytram> delete-word-backwards?
[01:05:36] * Bytram didn't know that one!
[01:05:39] <chromas> ye
[01:05:40] <chromas> yep
[01:05:51] <Bytram> are you talking about something on soylentnews?
[01:05:56] <chromas> you can also ctrl+arrow etc
[01:06:06] <Bytram> yep, knew about that one.
[01:06:06] <Bytram> and
[01:06:13] <chromas> nah, in single-line edit fields on windows it just makes a little hollow rectangle
[01:06:19] <Bytram> if you hold down shift while you do ctrl+arrow, it will select as you go
[01:06:21] <chromas> like in the Run box and stuff
[01:06:47] <Bytram> then you can delete, copy, or paste-over the selection
[01:06:48] <chromas> also ctrl+del for forward deletion
[01:07:06] <Bytram> neat
[01:07:40] <Bytram> I tend to prefer the technique of: highlight, visually confirm you selected what you meant, and only THEN hit delete
[01:07:54] <chromas> the ctrl+insert, shift+delete/insert still work for copy cut 'n' paste too in most things
[01:08:11] <Bytram> yep, learned htat back in win 3.0, I think
[01:08:37] <Bytram> at least, before htey [tried to[ replace it with ctral+A, Ctrl+c, and Ctrl+v
[01:09:31] <Bytram> can you point out a field on the site where you see this behavior?
[01:09:41] <Bytram> btw, what browser and OS are you using?
[01:10:12] <chromas> it's not the site, just windows itself
[01:10:42] <Bytram> huh! I just tried it here in hexchat (on win 7 pro) and they worked fine.
[01:10:47] <chromas> but now that I mentioned it, it does work right in the Run dialog
[01:10:58] <chromas> but not notepad
[01:11:30] <Bytram> just tried it in a text-entry area in Pale Moon on our site and Ctrl+Del and Ctrl+Bksp both worked okay
[01:11:50] <chromas> try it in notepad
[01:11:53] <chromas> .exe
[01:12:02] <Bytram> just did!
[01:12:17] <Bytram> and it did not work there, but notepad has always been a little weird
[01:12:56] <Bytram> wordpad, otoh, worked just fine
[01:12:58] <chromas> I think it's the super basic text edit field that's the problem. Probably anythin using MFC or anything fancier handles it okay
[01:14:36] <chromas> So all the VMs are KVM now?
[01:14:56] <chromas> Soylent VMs
[01:15:07] <Bytram> they're working on it
[01:15:16] <chromas> Neat.
[01:15:21] <chromas> Next year, Hyper-V
[01:15:36] <chromas> Win10 hosts
[01:15:40] <chromas> I mean
[01:15:42] <chromas> HOSTS
[01:15:55] <chromas> ...APK
[01:16:28] <Bytram> speaking of which....
[01:16:45] <Bytram> my hosts file has about 30+K entries
[01:17:02] <Bytram> every so often, win 7 Pro spins one of my procs for about 30 or seconds
[01:17:11] <Bytram> stuck in dns[something] service
[01:17:23] <Bytram> as part of one of the SVCHOST processes
[01:17:28] <chromas> It's reading your thousands of hostesses
[01:17:58] <Bytram> but there is a DNS cache -- should only need to read it once
[01:18:47] <Bytram> and then, if the hosts file is updated, then I could see needing to reload/rebuild cache
[01:18:59] <Bytram> but, otherwise, don't see there being a need.
[01:20:04] <Bytram> it's like ever once in a while, windows decides that the cache must be old, and takes it upon itself to reread the entire thing and rebuild the entire cache, from scratch, again
[01:20:15] <Bytram> s/ever/every/
[01:20:15] <sedctl> <Bytram> it's like every once in a while, windows decides that the cache must be old, and takes it upon itself to reread the entire thing and rebuild the entire cache, from scratch, again
[01:21:14] <chromas> That just means you need to 'up'grade to 10
[01:22:56] <Bytram> ain't happenin!
[01:24:23] <chromas> But think of the HOSTS file growth!
[01:26:31] <Bytram> FYI -- it looks like they are/have updat[ing|ed] two more servers: sodium & fluorine
[01:26:42] <Bytram> confirmed; both Na & Fl have been upgraded
[01:27:36] <chromas> Which is the one that's always broken?
[01:27:53] <Bytram> broken how? how does it manifest?
[01:28:11] <Bytram> T-storms on my doorstep
[01:28:18] <Bytram> may lose connection
[01:28:54] * Bytram launches: http://en.blitzortung.org
[01:28:54] <L-3> ^✓ 03Lightning Thunderstorms - World Map
[01:29:36] <chromas> One of the servers was always having trouble for many moons. Must've got fixed I guess.
[01:30:00] <Bytram> kinda rings a bell, but not sure which one it was
[01:30:17] * Bytram wondersif it was the one red hat server among all our ubuntu boxes?
[01:30:59] <chromas> ew
[01:31:02] <Bytram> barometer has droped .28 in last 24 hours, and still dropping
[01:31:06] <Bytram> *dropped
[01:38:48] <Runaway1956> Bytram needs a better fixture to mount his barometer on
[01:38:58] <Runaway1956> can't have barometers sliding down the wall
[01:39:00] <Bytram> Runaway1956: ROFL!
[01:39:14] <Bytram> and away from a window, atm... t-storm on hand
[01:39:35] <Runaway1956> ~weather Bytram
[01:39:37] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[01:39:39] <Bytram> just boomer, no rain yet
[01:39:50] <Runaway1956> ~weather
[01:39:52] <exec> 10Dallas, TX, USA - currently 95°F / 35°C, clear, wind SE at 8 mph, humidity 40% - Friday clear (81°F:100°F / 27°C:38°C), Saturday sunny (81°F:102°F / 27°C:39°C), Sunday mostly sunny (80°F:100°F / 27°C:38°C), Monday scattered thunderstorms (77°F:97°F / 25°C:36°C)
[01:41:17] * Bytram watches blinkenlights on http://en.blitzortung.org and then counts til he hears BOOM!
[01:41:17] <L-3> ^✓ 03Lightning Thunderstorms - World Map
[01:41:40] <Runaway1956> Uhh, wait - US lags in highway safety - this is news?
[01:41:52] <Bytram> have already had two power fluctuations
[01:41:53] <Runaway1956> The Germans showed us long ago how to reduce traffic fatalities
[01:42:09] <Bytram> driver faster so you can get away from the other idjits on the road?
[01:42:24] <chromas> import muslims
[01:42:34] <Runaway1956> Look at the construction of the autobahn - double guard rails in the median
[01:42:54] <Runaway1956> and drive as fast as you like
[01:42:58] <Bytram> that way, if you go off the road, you get bounced back into traffic!
[01:43:17] <chromas> pinballmobiles
[01:43:26] <Runaway1956> Better to bounce into traffic flowing in the direction you are traveling, than to cross the median into headon traffic
[01:43:29] <Bytram> what they DO do, is have rules of the road, and you darn well better follow them!
[01:43:36] <Bytram> I spose
[01:43:50] <Runaway1956> Your last statement is spot on
[01:44:03] * Bytram did over 235kph on autobahn
[01:44:11] <Runaway1956> Germans don't want cup holders, stereos, videos, etc ad nausume - they want a car, like me
[01:44:32] <Bytram> could have gone faster, but it was 4:30 pm and I was only about 20 km from Bonn
[01:44:32] <chromas> Are you...a sentient car?
[01:44:44] <Bytram> lost power
[01:44:52] <Bytram> UPC working
[01:45:02] <Bytram> may have to shut this down before too long
[01:45:04] * chromas scans Bytram
[01:45:17] <Runaway1956> Fun and games with the weather
[01:47:39] <Bytram> 4 minutes of backup power left on UPC
[01:47:46] <Bytram> ~gnight #Soylent
[01:47:48] * exec ironically experiences a shoe of time with #Soylent
[01:47:50] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[01:49:36] <Runaway1956> Oh - uptime. It's been twelve days since a power outage here. Wow - not a record, but impressive.
[01:50:30] <Runaway1956> Times of India is now blocking browsers with adblockers
[01:54:31] <chromas> I ran into one of those sites yesterday. Disabled adblocker; still no ads plus no nagger
[01:54:42] <chromas> probably noscript or something
[01:55:43] <Runaway1956> Gonna try whitelisting them, see what happens - I probably won't see ads because the adserver is blocked anyway
[01:56:15] <chromas> If you have Ghostery or Disconnect, that'll probably also block 'em
[01:56:58] <Runaway1956> It works - whitelist Times of India, I get the page, and still no ads
[01:56:59] <chromas> Are you using an APK-approved HOSTS file?
[01:57:15] * chromas remembers the era of ad-blocking proxies
[01:57:26] <Runaway1956> Never did put a hosts file on the Linux box - it's on the Win machine though
[02:02:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Verizon to Disconnect Unlimited Data Users Who Use "Extraordinary" Amounts of Data - http://sylnt.us - limit-to-unlimited
[02:19:31] <Runaway1956> Internal Server Error
[02:19:31] <Runaway1956> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
[02:19:31] <Runaway1956> Please contact the server administrator, admin@soylentnews.org and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
[02:19:31] <Runaway1956> More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
[02:20:57] <paulej72> looks like a down time while I wait for the db server ro reboot
[02:22:04] <paulej72> the other half of the cluster decided it wanted to quit when i shutdown the first half
[02:22:07] <Runaway1956> Cool - I need to get moving anyway
[02:23:05] <Runaway1956> Well, Munich shooter turns out to be Iranian, and Muslim - no suprises there . . .
[02:32:25] <takyon> site broken again?
[02:32:27] <SirFinkus> Iranian is a bit of a surprise
[02:32:35] <takyon> ok
[02:32:41] <SirFinkus> is it the 80s again?
[02:34:45] <Runaway1956> Obesity may be a mental disorder - this one looks like a good submission to me
[02:34:50] <Runaway1956> https://www.sciencedaily.com
[02:35:07] <Runaway1956> Somene can grab it later, when the site goes back online, if they like.
[02:35:17] * Runaway1956 stands up and begins getting ready for work
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[02:49:57] <paulej72> OK backup
[02:50:09] <paulej72> back up that is
[02:50:46] <paulej72> I probably could have had it started eariler if I ralized the one service zombied instead of dying
[03:31:31] <cmn32480> ~gday #soylent
[03:31:33] * exec retroactively postulates a fistful of sadness towards #soylent
[03:33:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Butterflies Are Getting Mauled - http://sylnt.us - ephemeral-things-that-live-but-for-a-day
[03:35:33] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[04:09:53] <SirFinkus> god damn
[04:09:58] <SirFinkus> fury road is fucking awesome
[04:10:22] <SirFinkus> I AM AWAITED
[04:10:30] <SirFinkus> I AM AWAITED IN VALHALLA!
[04:17:01] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[04:17:26] <Bytram|away> paulej72++
[04:17:26] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 211
[04:17:27] <Bytram|away> paulej72++
[04:17:27] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 212
[04:17:27] <Bytram|away> paulej72++
[04:17:27] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 213
[04:17:27] <Bytram|away> paulej72++
[04:17:28] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 214
[04:21:35] <SirFinkus> it's fucking ridiculous
[04:37:07] * chromas recalls SirFinkus watching it before
[04:37:19] <SirFinkus> FUCK YOU
[04:37:25] <SirFinkus> I'm watching it again
[04:37:45] <chromas> It seemed like your opinion of it was lesser then
[04:37:47] <SirFinkus> SO FUCKING SHINY
[04:37:51] <SirFinkus> SO FUCKING CHROME
[04:37:54] <SirFinkus> lolno
[04:38:50] <SirFinkus> it's pretty much the best
[04:58:54] <paulej72> quit talking about my penis
[05:01:11] <chromas> that's what she said
[05:01:17] <chromas> oh. oh wait a minute
[05:03:34] <SirFinkus> like, literally
[05:03:39] <SirFinkus> name a better movie
[05:04:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Edward Snowden Wants to Build an iPhone Case That Will Tell You If the NSA is Listening - http://sylnt.us - they-are-always-listening
[05:53:41] <swiss> more like "Edward Snowden wants back in the spotlight"
[05:58:04] <SirFinkus> if it fits an iphone, it's tracking you
[05:58:42] <SirFinkus> I could have made that
[07:06:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Brain Map Provides Unprecedented Detail in 180 Areas of the Cerebral Cortex - http://sylnt.us - zombies-will-know-the-tastiest-parts
[08:37:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Oliver Stone Calls Pokemon Go "A New Level of Invasion” and Says We Should All be Woried - http://sylnt.us - camera+GPS=knowing-most-everything
[08:40:05] * chromas wories deply
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[09:27:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[09:27:34] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2749
[09:28:35] * TheMightyBuzzard loads up for another long drive
[09:37:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather 74872
[09:37:33] <MrPlow> Today: Sunny. Very hot. High near 100F. Winds SSW at 5 to 10 mph. Tomorrow: Mainly sunny. Very hot. High 99F. Winds SSW at 5 to 10 mph.
[09:39:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg. least I'll only be in a non-airconditioned house lifting heavy things tomorrow.
[10:01:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, #soylent, off I fuck.
[10:01:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday #soylent
[10:02:00] * exec homogeneously $action a hooker full of spew $preposition #soylent
[10:38:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Brazilian Prosecutor: President Dilma Rousseff has Committed no Impeachable Offense - http://sylnt.us - politics-as-bloodsport
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[11:57:52] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:57:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2750
[11:57:54] <Bytram> !uid
[11:57:54] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6294, owned by dadical
[11:59:01] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: that does NOT look like fun... best wishes to ya!
[11:59:46] <Bytram> if no A/C in the house, do you have A/C in your car? Could provide a needed respite.
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[12:10:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA may Build Replacement Instrument for Japanese Astronomy Mission - http://sylnt.us - learning-from-the-past
[13:41:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Oliver Stone Calls Pokemon Go "A New Level of Invasion” and Says We Should All be Worried - http://sylnt.us - camera+GPS=knowing-most-everything
[13:41:24] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[14:11:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Call for Replacement of Animals in Antibody Production - http://sylnt.us - anti-'body' antibodies
[14:38:37] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.sciencedaily.com
[14:38:37] <MrPlow> Unable to find a title for that page
[15:42:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Star Trek Film Is Out! - http://sylnt.us - catch-it-if-you-dare
[16:38:49] <Bytram|away> ~exec title=on
[16:38:58] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[16:39:01] <Bytram> https://www.sciencedaily.com
[16:44:21] <Bytram> ~g ssdpsrv
[16:44:23] <exec> [google] www.file.net/process/ssdpsrv.exe.html
[16:45:09] <Bytram> ~exec title=on
[16:45:19] <Bytram> ~title=on
[16:45:22] <Bytram> ~titles=on
[16:45:26] <chromas> ~title on
[16:45:28] <exec> titles enabled for 10#Soylent
[16:45:31] <Bytram> LOL!
[16:45:31] <chromas> :D
[16:45:38] <Bytram> chromas++
[16:45:38] <Bender> karma - chromas: 177
[16:45:41] <Bytram> http://www.cnet.com
[16:45:42] <L-3> ^ 03Snowden: 'I never thought I'd be saved' after NSA leaks - CNET
[16:45:44] <exec> └─ 13Snowden: 'I never thought I'd be saved' after NSA leaks - CNET
[16:45:53] <Bytram> https://www.sciencedaily.com
[16:46:04] <Bytram> hmm, no title at all?
[16:47:36] <chromas> not even in firefox
[16:48:08] <chromas> "Additional security checl is required" page with no title
[16:48:14] <Bytram> very strange...
[16:48:16] <Bytram> <title>Brain activity, response to food cues differ in severely obese women, study shows -- ScienceDaily</title>
[16:49:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> bytram, sd loads the whole page with js. and back on the road now.
[16:49:49] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks! Hope the trip is going well and the A/C is workjing!
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[17:14:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Server Reboots / Upgrades [Updated #3] - http://sylnt.us - ups-and-downs || Fox News Chief Resigns - http://sylnt.us - 'resigns' != 're-signs'
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[19:15:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - CIA and State Dept Documents on MPAA's Jack Valenti - http://sylnt.us - what-were-they-trying-to-hide?
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[20:43:04] <cmn32480> WTF? my firewall won't answer to https, SSH, or telnet.. but http works fine...
[20:43:18] <Deucalion> what firewall?
[20:43:28] <cmn32480> the one at the office
[20:43:33] <cmn32480> Juniper kit
[20:43:35] <Deucalion> .... and have you tried switching it off and on again :D :D
[20:43:50] <cmn32480> that only works with Linux.. this baby is Windows!
[20:44:31] <Deucalion> I thought Juniper used their own JunOS or something like that(?) - not that I've ever got to play with one
[20:44:49] <cmn32480> they do.. but like everythgin else in the firewall workd it is Linux based
[20:45:14] <Deucalion> eh... thought you just said it was windows based :/
[20:45:23] * cmn32480 tries loading the CLI from within the gui
[20:45:39] <cmn32480> windows? as a firewall?? I thought that was an obvious joke...
[20:46:01] <Deucalion> can you connect to it with a serial console cable like you can with cisco kit?
[20:46:13] <cmn32480> if I was at the office, I could
[20:46:21] <cmn32480> but I'd need a 25 mile serial cable
[20:46:25] <Deucalion> Ahhh....
[20:46:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wikileaks Releases 20,000 DNC Email Archive - http://sylnt.us - because-information-wants-to-be-freed
[20:47:11] <Deucalion> can you bounce it from the http interface - or is that a no-no for operational reasons?
[20:47:18] <cmn32480> i was gonna let it hold 'till Monday... but since I was able to get through to some bexen on the inside throuhg normal channels, I decided to play a bit.. worst case is it blows up and I have to drop a config on the spare and drop it in place
[20:47:37] <boru> You can make 25 mile RS232 cables with socat, fwiw. Anyone local to plug it in?
[20:47:47] <cmn32480> bouncing it dfrom the http is exactly the current plan
[20:48:12] <cmn32480> nope.. it's Saturday.. opffice ought to be a ghost town
[20:48:14] <Deucalion> always someone in here with a solution! :D
[20:48:21] <boru> Juniper products have more holes than Padre Pio. Probably pwnt.
[20:48:37] <cmn32480> possible
[20:48:46] <Deucalion> My thought too - just hope the services have crashed rather than some miscreant got on there and firewalled them all off!
[20:49:07] <cmn32480> since I'm looking at an upgrade in the next 12 moths, I'm open to siggestinos for other kit
[20:49:21] * cmn32480 waits for the deluge
[20:49:37] <Deucalion> too many options without knowing the requirements
[20:49:46] <cmn32480> small business
[20:49:56] <Deucalion> roll your own or use pfSense mebbe
[20:49:58] <cmn32480> 2-3 locations currently connected via VPN.
[20:50:01] <boru> If you don't have a NIPS like Snort running, you could scan it and see if it's listening on another port.
[20:50:27] <cmn32480> DMZ for web facing services
[20:50:32] <boru> pfSense is mediocre. I'd just set up my own box.
[20:50:39] <boru> FreeBSD + jails for service isolation.
[20:50:59] <cmn32480> email is hosted behind it,
[20:51:01] <cmn32480> VPN for user access from the outside
[20:51:01] <Deucalion> Depends if you want something with a support contract to get you out of jail if the shtf
[20:51:02] <boru> Snort in front of that, have PF or ipfw+netmap support for routing/blackholing traffic.
[20:51:37] <cmn32480> since I'm the only real IT person and I travel a lot, that contract for when the shtf is a comforting thought
[20:51:54] <cmn32480> other thoughts were somethign like IPCop or Smoothwall, which I have used in the apst
[20:52:00] <boru> Well, with Juniper, you can let skiddies handle the shtf support for you :D
[20:52:18] <boru> Use what you're familiar with, I guess.
[20:52:37] <cmn32480> like I said boru, I am certainly open to suggestions
[20:52:46] <Deucalion> aye - generally not cheap, but can make a lot of sense for an SME with just one generalist IT bod doing every damn thing
[20:52:54] <cmn32480> and am not above rolling my own at this point
[20:53:13] <boru> Fair enough. I advocate rolling your own, so I'll be quiet.
[20:53:42] <Deucalion> Get down and dirty and just do it all via iptables :D
[20:53:42] <cmn32480> I like your thinking, do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?
[20:54:07] * cmn32480 clicks reboot
[20:54:30] * cmn32480 clicks yes on the 2 other confirmation dialogues
[20:54:52] * cmn32480 starts reseaching rolling his own firewall
[20:55:16] <Deucalion> cmn32480, audioguy would be a good guy to ask for suggestions I think. Although I think he's a roll your own advocate too. ALthough I think we have UFW in use on at least one box here at the moment. That makes a hell of a noise in your iptables config if you try to move from UFW to manually managing iptables
[20:55:20] <boru> I can make some suggestions in this regard, if you decide to go the BSD route (pardon the pun...)
[20:55:42] <Deucalion> netBSD for the win on a f/wall boru?
[20:55:50] * cmn32480 giggles at the completely forgivable pun
[20:56:32] <boru> Any of them, I suppose. I'm most comfortable with FreeBSD, but I'm comfortable with BSD in general.
[20:56:57] <boru> I like jails, I like compiling my kernel with netmap support, I like Snort and I like PF.
[20:57:16] <boru> Snort shits lightning with the netmap module in inline mode.
[20:58:46] <boru> Worst case scenario, if some attack/door knocking doesn't light up Snort, smart PF usage and jails tend to contain the damage fairly well.
[20:59:19] <cmn32480> IPCop is out... no updates in 18 months
[20:59:20] <boru> If Snort is too heavy, then the likes of sshguard are fairly effective.
[21:00:22] <boru> Anyway, I'm no sysadmin, so I can only really comment on my own set ups.
[21:00:50] <cmn32480> i'll take decent personal setup experience over what little I have at this point.
[21:00:51] <Deucalion> Likewise - I just meddle with my own stuffs
[21:01:20] <boru> I think opsec is important, generally.
[21:02:08] <cmn32480> Smoothwall is out too... last release Oct. 2014
[21:02:35] <boru> I don't run that many services, either, but I isolate them all in jails; mail jail, web jail, irc jail, newsgroups jail etc.
[21:03:11] <boru> SSH server for each.
[21:04:20] <Deucalion> cmn32480, at home I now just manually config iptables from cli on a box with a few interfaces as required for my f/wall. Just save the config and dump into a file to get loaded up at boot time and all works fine. There's loads of iptables howtos knocking around the web. Easy enough once you grasp how the rules and precedence work.
[21:04:32] <boru> You can clone netifs, obviously, but if you're using a single box with some third party provider who only want to give you one static IP, then you can NAT with PF to your jails.
[21:05:03] <cmn32480> currently 5 static IP's on the existing fw
[21:05:04] <Deucalion> iptables uses the masquerade target for NAT :)
[21:05:36] <boru> Aye, plenty of options.
[21:06:10] <boru> I posit that PF has a far saner grammar than iptables, but I'm starting to sound like a fanboi now.
[21:06:38] * boru endeavours to not start a flamewar...
[21:06:42] <cmn32480> looking at PFsense now
[21:06:52] <boru> pfSense is pretty easy to manage.
[21:06:57] <boru> Comes with Snort out of the box, iirc.
[21:07:26] <cmn32480> nice to have squid in it too...
[21:07:46] <boru> Aye. It's fairly well featured.
[21:08:07] <boru> Limited architecture support, alas.
[21:08:12] <Deucalion> kinda depends how much time you have to devote to learning as well. Not a bad skill to have in the tool-belt no matter which way you go though
[21:08:20] <boru> It was Inhell only, the last time I looked at it.
[21:08:33] <boru> Agreed.
[21:08:49] <cmn32480> agreed... am thinking that I will put PFsense in a VM on my lapptop to take a peek around... since it aint gonna cost me anythign to look at it except time
[21:09:03] <boru> Seems reasonable.
[21:09:16] <cmn32480> As pfSense is based on FreeBSD, its hardware compatibility list is the same as FreeBSD's. The pfSense kernel includes all FreeBSD drivers.
[21:09:22] <cmn32480> ^^ from their website
[21:09:40] <cmn32480> claims both intel and AMD support
[21:09:51] <Deucalion> By the time you finishing "peeking" - I reckon you'll have a ridiculously over engineered f/wall at home.
[21:10:11] <cmn32480> and the issue with that is?
[21:11:00] <Deucalion> Not had any issue getting FreeBSD running on anything x64 based or in a VM... it just works these days it seems. NetBSD is very much more minimal and requires a lot more manual intervention.
[21:12:45] <cmn32480> reboot brought everythign back to life
[21:12:58] <Deucalion> crysis averted for now then :D
[21:13:16] <boru> Might be work taking a look at your logs and seeing if there was some sort of catastrophic failure.
[21:13:18] <Deucalion> This time of year - might be worth checking the logs for overheating
[21:13:40] <boru> Aye, that too, though I suspect a thermal event would've knocked the box out entirely.
[21:13:52] <boru> The BIOS probably wouldn't POST.
[21:16:32] <Deucalion> quite often see things do random shit when overheating, then work fine for a while after a few minutes powered down, only to go titsup a while later. A damn good clean with a rocket puffer, a small paint brush and an ESD strap solve most things. Plus cleaning and reapplying TIM to any removable heatsinks.
[21:17:39] <boru> Be careful with high pressure airflow in dusty environments; probably a better idea taking the sinks out and cleaning them away from the electronics.
[21:18:11] <Deucalion> Vacuum in close vicinity but not touching takes care of that :)
[21:18:33] <boru> Still a potential for tribocharging.
[21:18:44] <Deucalion> Don't use air in a can any more - leaves residue behind from the propellant.
[21:19:00] <cmn32480> wasn't a temperature thing
[21:19:14] <cmn32480> that room is about 68-70 degreen
[21:19:24] <boru> Goodness.
[21:19:25] <cmn32480> the fw lives w/ the servers
[21:19:33] <boru> Oh, silly units.
[21:19:40] <cmn32480> F not C
[21:19:46] <boru> Or K!
[21:19:52] <cmn32480> and exec isn't here for me to do a convert
[21:19:52] <boru> Or R, even.
[21:19:56] <cmn32480> lol
[21:20:07] <Deucalion> damn sight cooler than some of the kit I've been having to clean out the last week.
[21:20:08] <boru> The Rankin scale is very silly, though.
[21:20:33] <boru> Err, Rankine, rather.
[21:20:42] <cmn32480> we take good care of the cooling in my server room
[21:20:52] <cmn32480> jsut replaced the A/C a month or so agao
[21:21:10] <boru> Submerged in non-conductive fluid with the floating corpses of PFYs?
[21:21:33] * Deucalion goes to read up on "tribocharging". tbh the most useful thing is a small brush - the puffer is a bit prone to send dust everywhere.... just to get promptly sucked in to the fans of any other kit in the vicinity.
[21:22:09] <boru> I find the best measure to be prevenative ones -- don't let dust in there in the first place.
[21:22:40] <boru> I've seen tribocharging get up to obscene levels.
[21:22:48] <boru> Especially in very low RH.
[21:23:22] <cmn32480> brb.. wife wants to about upcomgin vacation
[21:23:28] <boru> I arced to practically everything out in the Atacama...
[21:23:41] <boru> Vacation? What is that?
[21:23:50] <Deucalion> Bit tricky keeping the dust down in the kind of mostly retail setups I'm supporting. Generally just a single rack somewhere in the warehouse out back, no aircon, no filtration. Things get ~very~ dusty ~very~ fast.
[21:24:13] <boru> Ruggedised boxes are good for that.
[21:24:25] <boru> Sealed, the case is the sink etc.
[21:24:26] <Deucalion> If the customer will pay for them :P
[21:24:33] <boru> Heh, very true.
[21:25:44] <Deucalion> MOstly just bog standard HP Proliant kit, with no preventative maintenance. We only get called out when shtf and something stops working. Low margin type retail I guess. ~shrug~
[21:25:54] * boru nods
[21:28:46] <Deucalion> Not true for all the cmrs, some do have the sense to have us do regular PMs out of trading hours. Generally nicer places to work too thanks to not every device being encrusted in a decade of dust and furballs. Some places I come out of I just want to immediately find a hot shower. As for certain fast food back of house conditions... dust is not the enemy, the build up of grease ~inside~ devices is. I shall not name my employer nor the cmrs, so
[21:28:46] <Deucalion> don't ask :P
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[22:05:05] <Runaway1956> Who authorized cmn32480 a vacation?
[22:05:27] <Deucalion> mrs cmn I suspect
[22:05:36] <cmn32480> correct Deucalion
[22:05:40] <Runaway1956> Wow, I need a mrs cmn then
[22:05:50] <cmn32480> she has also "authorized" me to cook dinner tonight
[22:05:52] * Runaway1956 never gets vacations
[22:06:19] * Runaway1956 wants to dropkick my new hardware into next week
[22:06:23] <Deucalion> just become schizo and have your alter ego auth them
[22:06:36] <Runaway1956> My 780 TI is giving me fits
[22:06:46] <Deucalion> I'll have it :P
[22:07:15] * cmn32480 casually suggest running a real OS that supports graphics cards
[22:07:27] <Runaway1956> some shite about "cannot eject GTX 780 TI"
[22:07:37] <Deucalion> Save me waiting for price normality to resume following the 1080/70/60 launches
[22:07:43] <Runaway1956> I googled that, seems to be a bug with the drivers
[22:07:57] <Deucalion> "eject"? Is this some secondary chipset in a laptop or something?
[22:08:13] <cmn32480> I think it is a seat in an airplne
[22:08:36] <Runaway1956> This is a new mainboard, new CPU, new SSD - and win7 doesn't want to act right
[22:08:54] <Runaway1956> reused the video card, power supply, case, blah blah blah, but the guts are all new
[22:09:10] <cmn32480> fresh install of Win 7?
[22:09:22] <Runaway1956> Yep, brand new hard drive, brand new install
[22:09:34] <cmn32480> you shoudl upgrade to win 10... that'll fix it
[22:09:36] * cmn32480 dicks
[22:09:41] * cmn32480 ducks
[22:09:49] <Runaway1956> dicks was right
[22:09:55] <cmn32480> lol
[22:10:03] <Runaway1956> See Dick duck - don't be a dick
[22:10:50] <Runaway1956> It seems the rig is running semi-stable right now - Folding is running - but it's running like dog shit
[22:11:08] <Runaway1956> PPD about 7000
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[22:11:43] <cmn32480> oof
[22:11:48] <cmn32480> what setting is that on?
[22:11:51] <cmn32480> light?
[22:11:57] <cmn32480> or medium?
[22:12:11] <Runaway1956> Got it on full right now - maybe the wife rebooted, I can't even see it now
[22:12:24] <cmn32480> full shoudl allow the gfx card to run
[22:12:28] <cmn32480> as will medium
[22:12:30] <cmn32480> light will not
[22:12:37] <Runaway1956> Yeah, exactly
[22:12:48] <cmn32480> does the gfx card show up?
[22:13:04] <cmn32480> and have you back-rev'd thje drivers?
[22:13:15] <Runaway1956> Yeah, I can see it - it's back online now, I'm watching FAHControl
[22:13:26] <Deucalion> probably the muffler bearings
[22:13:55] <cmn32480> I was thinking the zincote linkage
[22:14:02] <Runaway1956> I had the muffler bearing replaced, but I didn't get new affiliation strips for the discombobulator
[22:14:38] <Deucalion> well there's your problem, you likely have static build up in the posterior stability plasma field
[22:14:59] <cmn32480> so don't touch your ass to anythign grounded.. or your sphincter will get a big shock
[22:15:17] <cmn32480> #youtube buttrocket
[22:15:18] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[22:17:53] <Runaway1956> back to the original problem, "Nvidia is not removable, and cannot be ejected"
[22:17:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Lags in Highway Safety - http://sylnt.us - 'hit-the-road'-but-don't-take-it-literally
[22:18:12] <cmn32480> remove it from the Device manager.. and reinstall
[22:18:27] <Deucalion> don't try and eject it? :P
[22:18:28] <Runaway1956> That's what I'm thinking - but she won't let me at it
[22:18:43] <cmn32480> the wife?
[22:18:50] <Runaway1956> I found on an nvidia forum that was supposed to be a bug of a previous driver
[22:18:51] <cmn32480> or theOS>
[22:18:52] <Runaway1956> yeah, the wife
[22:19:08] <Runaway1956> anybody else, I'd slap them aside
[22:19:28] <Runaway1956> Few people are brave enough to stand between me and an unsolved puzzle
[22:19:39] <Runaway1956> but, she gets some special considerations
[22:19:44] <cmn32480> yeah
[22:19:47] <cmn32480> mine does too
[22:19:53] * cmn32480 goes to flip the pork chops
[22:20:16] <Runaway1956> pork the flip chops? That sounds racist
[22:20:16] <Deucalion> that's not a euphemism I'm not familiar with
[22:20:32] <Deucalion> hmm.. double negative... must be time for bed
[22:20:53] <Runaway1956> Holy shit - it's five o'clock?
[22:21:59] <cmn32480> ~time
[22:22:01] <exec> Saturday, 23 July 2016 @ 6:22 pm EDT - Baltimore, MD, USA
[22:22:05] <cmn32480> nope...a fter 6
[22:22:08] <cmn32480> ~time juggs
[22:22:10] <exec> Saturday, 23 July 2016 @ 11:22 pm GMT+1 - London, UK
[22:22:13] <cmn32480> yep
[22:22:16] <cmn32480> bedtime for Deucalion
[22:22:20] <cmn32480> gnight Deucalion
[22:22:26] <cmn32480> ~gnight Deucalion
[22:22:27] * exec $adverb pours a quart of dumpster juice for Deucalion
[22:22:28] <Runaway1956> ~time
[22:22:30] <exec> Saturday, 23 July 2016 @ 5:22 pm CDT - Dallas, TX, USA
[22:23:30] <Deucalion> aye, working tomorrow am too. Time to inspect my eyelids for holes. Be well all.
[22:23:51] <cmn32480> sweet dreams my friend
[22:24:08] <Runaway1956> have a good one - or whatever kind of one you prefer
[22:26:09] * cmn32480 starts the pfsense install in a VM
[22:26:28] <cmn32480> crap... rain better hold off until chops are done cooking
[22:47:03] <cmn32480> rain dind't hold off... soaked to the skin