#Soylent | Logs for 2016-06-27
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[00:08:26] <paulej72> In all
[00:08:36] <paulej72> What I miss
[01:12:01] <chromas> EF brought in some sexy studs from the hood and they did cyber stuff and posted many pics
[01:14:44] <chromas> They chanted "Trump! Trump!" and showed us how they could build a wall by doing something they called dock 'n load
[01:21:10] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[01:21:12] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 73°F, partly cloudy, wind S at 11 mph, humidity 47% - Sunday partly cloudy (63°F:81°F), Monday mostly sunny (65°F:83°F), Tuesday cloudy (66°F:83°F), Wednesday scattered thunderstorms (64°F:80°F)
[01:21:14] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[01:21:16] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 64°F, partly cloudy, wind SE at 4 mph, humidity 70% - Sunday partly cloudy (57°F:76°F), Monday mostly sunny (60°F:78°F), Tuesday showers (60°F:73°F), Wednesday showers (58°F:74°F)
[01:21:19] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[01:21:21] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 74°F, clear, wind S at 6 mph, humidity 46% - Sunday clear (58°F:87°F), Monday mostly cloudy (59°F:85°F), Tuesday scattered thunderstorms (59°F:79°F), Wednesday showers (55°F:72°F)
[01:21:31] <Bytram> ~weather death valley
[01:21:33] <exec> 10Death Valley - currently 115°F, sunny, wind S at 11 mph, humidity 6% - Sunday clear (85°F:117°F), Monday sunny (89°F:119°F), Tuesday partly cloudy (88°F:117°F), Wednesday sunny (86°F:117°F)
[01:21:41] <Bytram> ~weather New Delhi
[01:21:42] <exec> 10New Delhi, Delhi, India - currently 88°F, scattered thunderstorms, wind SE at 7 mph, humidity 79% - Monday partly cloudy (84°F:97°F), Tuesday partly cloudy (84°F:93°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (83°F:95°F), Thursday partly cloudy (82°F:96°F)
[01:21:50] <Bytram> ~weather Delhi
[01:21:52] <exec> 10Delhi, India - currently 88°F, haze, wind E at 9 mph, humidity 79% - Monday partly cloudy (84°F:99°F), Tuesday partly cloudy (84°F:94°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (84°F:97°F), Thursday partly cloudy (83°F:97°F)
[01:22:03] <Bytram> ~weather Riyadh
[01:22:05] <exec> 10Riyadh Saudi Arabia - currently 84°F, clear with periodic clouds, wind NW at 7 mph, humidity 14% - Monday sunny (83°F:111°F), Tuesday sunny (85°F:112°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (87°F:114°F), Thursday partly cloudy (87°F:114°F)
[01:22:16] <Bytram> ~weather south pole
[01:22:17] <exec> south pole temp: -76 °F
[01:22:33] <Bytram> ~convert -76 F C
[01:22:34] <exec> 03-76°F = -60°C
[01:22:40] <Bytram> brrrr
[01:26:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Australia's Defence Department Invests AU$12M to Seat Spies with Students - http://sylnt.us - everything-is-a-test
[01:35:41] <Bytram> ~moon
[01:35:44] <exec> 07Last Quarter
[01:35:48] <Bytram> ~moonlit
[01:35:51] <exec> 0753% and getting smaller
[01:52:07] <SirFinkus> chili fries, or chili nachos?
[02:01:20] <SirFinkus> intervention time
[02:01:32] <SirFinkus> today we have a winner named "ginjer"
[02:02:05] <SirFinkus> and an alcoholic "paranormal investigator" I hope that fucker dies
[02:02:20] <SirFinkus> he might, he has seizures and shit
[02:06:03] <SirFinkus> bitch, your name is ginjer, I'm going to guess you aren't as smart as you think you are
[02:07:37] <SirFinkus> "practable"
[02:07:39] <SirFinkus> LOLOL
[02:57:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ancient Europeans May Have Been First Wine Makers - http://sylnt.us - crushed-grape
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[03:03:11] <SirFinkus> is literally every black guy an aspiring rapper?
[03:10:18] <SirFinkus> "you're an inspiration to us all, regardless of your chromosome count"
[03:47:53] <SirFinkus> lol someone named bryceton addicted to spice
[03:48:02] <SirFinkus> that's gotta be the most white trash name in the world
[03:48:07] <SirFinkus> next to ginjer
[04:01:56] <SirFinkus> now onto the "paranormal investigator"
[04:04:15] <SirFinkus> gallon of vodka a day
[04:05:02] <SirFinkus> pills too
[04:09:15] <SirFinkus> "we were contacted by VERY credible people to use our gifts to find paranormal evidence"
[04:09:17] <SirFinkus> lolol
[04:28:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Successful First Observations of Galactic Centre with GRAVITY - http://sylnt.us
[05:06:32] <chromas> SirFinkus: yes, aspiring rappers. That's why they always start freestyling when they're unsupervised on tv
[05:15:34] <SirFinkus> god damn, crank is an awesome movie
[05:27:20] <Runaway1956> #submit http://www.foxnews.com
[05:27:20] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[05:27:45] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[05:30:30] <Runaway1956> In the States, we crown our prettiest girls. In Lithuania?
[05:30:37] <Runaway1956> http://www.reuters.com
[05:30:38] <Timmeh> ^ 03Lithuanian village crowns prettiest goat in annual pageant| Reuters ( http://www.reuters.com )
[05:32:12] <chromas> In Turkey, they'd be on in the same. And they'd get raped
[05:32:25] <chromas> s/T.*y/Syria/
[05:32:26] <sedctl> <chromas> In Syria'd get raped
[05:59:40] * Subsentient rips a juicy wet one
[06:29:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - China Launches new Rocket From new Launch Site -- new Space Station Next - http://sylnt.us - things-are-looking-up!
[06:39:09] <chromas> http://www.breitbart.com
[06:39:09] <Timmeh> ^ 03No, JC Penney, Fat People Should Absolutely Hate Themselves - Breitbart
[06:57:19] <Runaway1956> http://16inchcity.com
[06:57:20] <Timmeh> ^ 03Hillary Clinton to don ‘strap-on’ under pantsuit in upcoming Democratic Primary Debate. | 16 Inch City
[07:50:36] <SoyGuest67648> uhhhh
[07:50:40] SoyGuest67648 is now known as Tramtrist
[07:51:00] <Tramtrist> wtf
[08:31:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Cancels All Travel to COSPAR Meeting in Istanbul - http://sylnt.us - maybe-a-retink
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[10:02:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Speech Kitchen - http://sylnt.us - what's-cooking?
[10:09:24] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:09:25] <Timmeh> ^ 03Into Ship's Massive Water Tank! | Life at Sea | Mariner's Vlog #1 - YouTube
[10:09:42] <crutchy> really interesting look inside a container ship
[10:14:07] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:14:08] <Timmeh> ^ 03Into the Ship's Spine - the Duct Keel | Life at Sea | Mariner's Vlog #5 - YouTube
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[10:20:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:20:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2701
[10:26:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg. need to get some work done but there's a fun thunderstorm going on and i'm almost certainly gonna lose power.
[10:34:12] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, you might like mate. https://www.youtube.com
[10:34:13] <Timmeh> ^ 03The Most Powerful Fire Truck in The World - YouTube
[10:37:48] <chromas> postal's 49¢ on steam
[10:37:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> kinda neat but it needs to introduce gasoline into the exhaust instead of water
[10:39:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather
[10:39:56] <MrPlow> Today: Isolated thunderstorms during the morning becoming more widespread this afternoon. High 88F. Winds N at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 80%. Tomorrow: A few clouds from time to time. High 94F. Winds NNE at 5 to 10 mph.
[10:40:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> one of em's isolated over my house
[10:41:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, finish up the new threaded mode work for me
[10:41:28] <chromas> in php
[10:41:39] <chromas> use recursion :D
[10:44:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> it already uses recursion cause of poor design choices back in the day
[10:47:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> storms today, taking the roomie's masculine child fishing tomorrow, gonna be wednesday before i can touch anything code-wise
[10:47:46] <chromas> better vidya before the power is stormraped
[10:48:41] <Bytram> coffee++
[10:48:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2702
[10:48:42] <crutchy> bah. it will be a piece of systemd
[10:48:55] <Bytram> !uid
[10:48:55] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6274, owned by snmygos
[10:49:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i might as well. debating on which vidya. the new 2d dungeon crawler or street racing across europe.
[10:49:25] * Bytram wonders what in the world that nick is supposed to mean or what it was derived from
[10:49:46] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: s/eet rac/ak/
[10:49:46] <sedctl> <Bytram> <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i might as well. debating on which vidya. the new 2d dungeon crawler or straking across europe.
[10:50:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: s/stra/trea/
[10:50:10] <Bytram> nvm
[10:50:15] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[10:50:15] * crutchy is gunna play some civ5
[10:50:16] <chromas> sogymns
[10:50:42] <chromas> maybe it's an analgram
[10:50:48] <Bytram> misogyny??
[10:51:17] <chromas> your wordplay engine needs a reboot
[10:51:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> forza horizon 3 coming out in september. set in crutchy's back yard this time.
[10:51:20] <Bytram> soggy nyms?
[10:51:28] <chromas> muh soggy knees
[10:51:36] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[10:51:38] * exec dexterously vomits promises of hot wings on TheMightyBuzzard
[10:51:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[10:51:43] * exec democratically twerks a shitload of boogers for Bytram
[10:51:44] <chromas> oz has roads?
[10:51:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> hotwings > boogers
[10:52:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, bout half the races are offroad anyway
[10:52:18] <chromas> snakejump
[10:52:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i think it has like 3 roads
[10:52:21] <Bytram> lol
[10:52:23] <crutchy> chromas, we gots mad max roads :D
[10:52:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, forgot about those
[10:52:36] <chromas> noice
[10:52:46] <Bytram> that'd be better than, ummm, mad max... happy min?
[10:53:01] <Bytram> ~g minh
[10:53:03] <crutchy> autobahn shmortobahn
[10:53:03] <exec> [google] https://en.wikipedia.org
[10:53:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> wonder if you can kit a car up with barbed wire, welded on bits, and an an inch of dust
[10:53:11] <Bytram> ~define minh
[10:53:12] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03minh: A very short pretty-boy-looking girl, that can be often spotted wearing boy clothing (namely flannel shirts). Does not have the ability to cook anything besides eggs, including flan, which will also t...
[10:53:22] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, dont forget the miniguns
[10:53:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> never
[10:53:47] <crutchy> or is that just on american roads
[10:53:48] <Bytram> crutchy: s/min.*/BFG2000/
[10:53:55] <crutchy> i guess guns are banned in aus
[10:54:09] <crutchy> we gotta use noyfs
[10:54:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> they did put a mad max exception to the anti-guns law, yeah?
[10:54:19] <Bytram> but what about cannons?
[10:54:34] <crutchy> yeah we put chicks with big tits on our cars too
[10:54:45] <crutchy> that's called summernats
[10:54:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird. we put em in ours.
[10:54:56] <crutchy> ~g summernats australia
[10:54:58] <exec> [google] www.summernats.com.au/
[10:55:12] * Bytram envisions a production of the "1812 Overture" *without* cannons -- sacrilege!
[10:55:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> #summernats australia
[10:55:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> #g summernats australia
[10:55:19] <MrPlow> http://www.summernats.com.au - "Come and ride the smoke wave at Summernats 30 with Airbourne, Drapht, Thirsty Merc and Spit Syndicate! Australia's biggest horsepower party is 30 years ..."
[10:55:52] <crutchy> the only place where its legal to grope n drive
[10:56:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, right. yeah we put large chested womens on cars too when the car's not pretty enough itself.
[10:57:59] <crutchy> holy shit. its possible to get banned from summernats?!
[10:58:00] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[10:58:01] <Timmeh> ^ 03NUKINFUTS Gemini - How to get banned from Summernats! - YouTube
[11:01:01] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org "Summernats, short for Summer Nationals, is an annual car festival held in Canberra, Australia since 1987. Summernats, which is usually held at the start of the year, is the best known car festival in Australia, and an event which attracts many tourists to Canberra, bringing in excess of $20 million in economic benefit to the ACT economy. It has increasingly been promoted as an event for families.
[11:01:02] <Bytram> The Summernats attendance record was set in 2005 with 119,000 people."
[11:01:03] <Timmeh> ^ 03Wiki: Summernats
[11:01:26] * Bytram had never heard of summernats before
[11:02:58] <crutchy> its the aussie bogan festival
[11:03:02] <crutchy> i've never been there
[11:03:12] <crutchy> but if you like cars and tits, its your thing :p
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[11:03:22] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: WRT your weather forecast and thunderstorms, this page might be helpful (turn on Strikes, Detectors, and Sounds) http://en.blitzortung.org
[11:03:23] <Timmeh> ^✓ 03Lightning Thunderstorms - USA, Canada, United States of America
[11:04:45] <Bytram> kind of looks like "Missile Command"
[11:05:34] <Bytram> the lines for the detectors... some of these are picking up lightning strikes from over 6K km, 3600+miles
[11:06:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm
[11:06:23] <Bytram> wow! atm: http://en.blitzortung.org
[11:06:25] <Timmeh> ^ 03Lightning Thunderstorms - Station and User List
[11:06:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, i do indeed like both cars and tits.
[11:06:36] <Bytram> sort by "Effectivity L"
[11:06:49] <Bytram> I'm seeing 10-12k km
[11:07:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> all them lightning strikes that keep happening in western TN, yeah, those are hitting my neighbor's house by the sound of it
[11:07:43] <Bytram> that's like a 1/4 of the way around the world
[11:07:50] <Bytram> ka-boom!
[11:09:28] * Bytram once experienced a lightning strike that was about 300 yards away.
[11:09:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, the best thing about forza horizon 2 is that you can take the 69 dodge charger, which is already painted orange, general lee it up, and go jumping things on dirt roads.
[11:10:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> you have to make the yee-haw sounds yourself though.
[11:10:22] * Bytram notes it *evaporated* one 2-foot-thick pine tree, evaporated the top of another (and blew it out of the ground so it was standing on its roots)
[11:11:18] * Bytram and the third tree of the set was split right down the middle
[11:12:16] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: seems the best closeup I can do on that site for you is: http://en.blitzortung.org
[11:12:17] <Timmeh> ^ 03Lightning Thunderstorms - Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia
[11:12:36] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, not summernats, but same shit. https://www.youtube.com
[11:12:37] <Timmeh> ^ 03World's Biggest Burnout Fire! - YouTube
[11:13:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i don't care bout close-ups. if i want a close up i can look out the window.
[11:14:38] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:14:50] <Bytram> might not want to get TOO close to the window, for that matter.
[11:15:16] <Bytram> 'twas a time with big CRT monitors that I got a bit nervous doing any programming during a thunderstorm
[11:15:35] <Bytram> that, and potential power fluctuations
[11:15:55] <Bytram> now, I've got an LCD and UPSs so much less concern
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[11:19:42] <Bytram> http://www.independent.co.uk
[11:19:42] <Timmeh> ^ 03Barclays and RBS shares suspended from trading after tanking more than 8% | Business News | News | The Independent
[11:20:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, good ole "buy the rumor, sell the fact"
[11:21:47] <Bytram> that sounds like buy high sell low?
[11:22:00] * Bytram obviously needs more coffee++
[11:22:02] <Bytram> brb
[11:26:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's sposed to be the other way around but if too many people do it it inverts
[11:27:18] <crutchy> so in america if a company is shit and losing money they can just suspend trading?
[11:28:28] <Subsentient> crutchy: I think it's a market regulation thing, the companies are not in control
[11:28:57] * chromas slides the peanut butter jar under the couch
[11:29:19] * Subsentient slowly scoots the peanut butter further under the couch
[11:29:55] <crutchy> Subsentient, market regulation would let the shit company die a painful death
[11:30:08] <crutchy> government regulation is likely the real culprit
[11:30:16] <Subsentient> crutchy: It's not done to protect the company, but the rest of the economy.
[11:30:35] <Subsentient> There are times *ALL* trading is suspended
[11:30:50] <Bytram> "circuit breaker"
[11:30:54] <Subsentient> yup
[11:30:56] <crutchy> yeah i've heard of that
[11:31:08] <crutchy> this was just one company though, right?
[11:31:13] <Subsentient> one or two I think
[11:31:16] <Bytram> two, and it's in england
[11:31:29] <Bytram> RBS == Royal Bank of Scotland (IIRC)
[11:31:30] <crutchy> ah damn poms
[11:31:49] <Bytram> Barclays is another BIG bank
[11:31:54] <chromas> bailout! bailout!
[11:32:04] <chromas> let them get off...Scott-free
[11:32:13] <Bytram> both, presumably, have a major exposure to what happens with the pound vs euro
[11:32:20] <crutchy> yeah UK is pretty bad for over-regulation too i guess, since the wars
[11:32:56] * crutchy is looking for spooky water tank videos on youtube
[11:33:04] <crutchy> its like a morbid fascination of mine
[11:33:12] <crutchy> Subsentient would probably appreciate it :p
[11:34:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, blue skies out now
[11:35:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> nother, bigger, storm rolling in behind the last one though in maybe half an hour
[11:35:52] <Bytram> if you had a lot of rain along with the t-storms, I suspect the fish might be in a feeding frenzy... all of the new food washing into the water
[11:36:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> catfish will be out of the deep water and in the channels, yeah.
[11:37:05] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:37:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> but boats don't take well to getting several inches of water in them.
[11:37:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i don't have a sump pump
[11:37:23] * Bytram offers TheMightyBuzzard a battery-powered sump pump
[11:37:42] <Bytram> LOL!
[11:38:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess it's really a bilge pump in a boat
[11:38:28] <Bytram> doesn't your boat have a drain? ;-)
[11:39:14] <Bytram> http://rss.computerworld.com
[11:39:14] <Timmeh> ^ 03Google to release its own smartphone this year | Computerworld ( http://www.computerworld.com )
[11:39:45] <Bytram> all the better to make sure they are aware of *everything* you do on your phone?
[11:39:48] <chromas> They ran out of numbers for the Nexus
[11:40:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, ya, guess i could just pull out the plug to let the water out
[11:40:01] <Bytram> isn't that made by Toyota?
[11:40:51] <Bytram> I wonder, if you are going fast enough, will the water drain out, or would it still come in?
[11:41:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> 500gph bilge pump (more than sufficient for my lil boat) runs about $30
[11:41:50] <Bytram> we used to use a one-gallon plastic bleach bottle that we cut the bottom off of
[11:41:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't matter. i only have a 28lb thrust trolling motor on it. you can run faster than my boat goes.
[11:42:16] <Bytram> LOL
[11:42:28] <Bytram> need moah powah
[11:42:35] <Bytram> break out the oars!@
[11:42:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> well yer not allowed to kick up a wake on TN state managed lakes anyway, so a gas motor would be a waste.
[11:43:11] <Bytram> ahhh, makes sense
[11:43:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i did break out the oars one day when i burnt up some wiring. good workout for a fat old man but doable.
[11:43:45] <Bytram> Maine had trouble with motorboat wakes disrupting Loon nests -- situated right at the shoreline
[11:43:59] <Bytram> yeah, that's some real work
[11:44:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> we just have a lot of small boats around here. don't want asshats swamping them.
[11:44:43] * Bytram spent countless saturdays canoeing as a teen
[11:45:11] <Bytram> hmm
[11:45:13] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[11:45:34] <Bytram> oh, exec is not running?
[11:45:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> was earlier
[11:45:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> musta died
[11:45:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather boston, ma
[11:45:54] <MrPlow> Today: Sunshine and clouds mixed. High 82F. Winds SSW at 15 to 25 mph. Tomorrow: Overcast. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. High near 80F. Winds S at 10 to 20 mph.
[11:46:26] <Bytram> crutchy: exec has gone missing again
[11:46:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> i should rejigger him to give current conditions as well.
[11:46:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> another day though
[11:46:48] <Bytram> nod nod
[11:47:57] <Bytram> ~last nick=exec [recursion ftw!]
[11:49:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> #seen exec
[11:49:26] <MrPlow> [2016-06-27 10:54:58] #Soylent <exec> [google] www.summernats.com.au/
[11:49:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas UTC
[11:50:07] <Bytram> is that from its own observations, or does it access the logs saved by Loggie ?
[11:50:40] <Bytram> cf: http://logs.sylnt.us
[11:51:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> its own observations
[11:51:54] <Bytram> kthnx
[11:52:15] <Bytram> [11:17:33] -!- exec has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds]
[11:52:24] <Bytram> that's from: http://logs.sylnt.us
[11:52:25] <Timmeh> ^ 03#Soylent | Logs for 2016-06-27
[11:52:54] * TheMightyBuzzard debates working on the bot some before the next storm hits
[11:53:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i'd spend half the time figuring out where i was
[11:53:35] <crutchy> Bytram, yeah it was just up a bit
[11:53:40] <crutchy> not sure what happened
[11:53:46] <Bytram> it went down?
[11:53:51] <crutchy> i gues
[11:53:57] <Bytram> sorry, couldn't resist!
[11:54:01] <crutchy> lol
[11:54:02] <Bytram> ~blame
[11:54:17] <Bytram> Now I *really* broke it!
[11:54:21] <crutchy> it runs on an old poota at cmn32480's work
[11:54:32] <Bytram> ahhhh, got it
[11:54:37] <crutchy> i haven't run exec for a while
[11:54:54] <Bytram> my apologies then, my fine southern friend!
[11:54:54] <crutchy> i just puddle around with exec's little bro, x
[11:55:09] * Bytram makes a mental note
[11:55:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, MrPlow hasn't crashed for two weeks. pretty good for an alpha bot.
[11:55:45] <chromas> means it needs more work done
[11:55:55] <Bytram> alpha bot? does that make it the top 'dog' ?
[11:55:57] <crutchy> x gets all teh goodies first, but it also suffers a lotta broken bones in the process :p
[11:56:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it has tha fighting game getting added soonish which should make it break plenty.
[11:56:34] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, s/igh/i/
[11:56:34] <sedctl> <crutchy> <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it has tha fiting game getting added soonish which should make it break plenty.
[11:56:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, the command is indeed #fite
[11:57:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't compile right now though cause there's a mess of functions i haven't written yet but have called.
[11:58:09] <crutchy> x's mud ai is a bit like that
[11:59:05] <crutchy> http://www.digikey.com.au
[11:59:07] <Timmeh> ^ 03SchemeIt | Free Online Schematic Drawing Tool | DigiKey Electronics |
[11:59:14] <crutchy> this works pretty cool
[11:59:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> some of em i have technically written but they're along the lines of fn something(args) -> bool { return true; }
[11:59:38] <crutchy> shits all over word, excel and visio for doing flowcharty thingys
[11:59:41] <Bytram> scaffolding FTW
[12:01:08] <chromas> looks like win 10
[12:01:25] <chromas> bastards
[12:01:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, is js? fux dat
[12:02:21] <crutchy> could be worse
[12:02:25] * crutchy flashes TheMightyBuzzard
[12:02:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, js is still worse
[12:03:00] <crutchy> than flash? o.O
[12:03:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> well yeah. i see a fat old guy naked every time i shower.
[12:04:02] <crutchy> i'd definitely disable flash in that case
[12:04:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Undercover Terrorism Sting Was Only Means to Investigate B.C. Couple - http://sylnt.us - how-far-can-you-legally-go?
[12:08:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads Bender, your ass is huge.
[12:09:04] <Bytram> huh?
[12:09:19] <Bytram> you mean its memory "footprint"?
[12:09:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> 25711 sylnt 20 0 1309m 94m 5896 S 0.3 4.7 415:20.61 python2.7 /home/sylnt/bin/jsb-fleet
[12:09:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> fookin rss thing is poorly written
[12:10:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be using an out of memory db rather than keeping feeds resident.
[12:10:25] <Bytram> IIRC, bender is a bit of a swiss army knife that was bent to the task
[12:11:13] <chromas> Add rss and twatter to MrPlow and murder Bender :D
[12:11:15] <Bytram> I suspect there are [many] other tasks it is doing
[12:11:25] <Bytram> twatter?
[12:11:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, very few.
[12:11:37] <chromas> You can unload plugins
[12:11:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, we have. he does almost nothing anymore.
[12:12:07] <Bytram> chromas: what is twatter?
[12:12:14] <boru> Shitter.
[12:12:28] <chromas> it's like abbreviated tumblr
[12:12:37] <boru> The Levenshtein distance is close enough!
[12:12:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> but he does do pulling in all the rss feeds. and keeps them in ram instead of writing them out to disk/db.
[12:12:49] <boru> Actually, Hamming distance would do it.
[12:12:50] <chromas> PC police and porn in SMS length
[12:13:29] <Bytram> but seriously, I've not used twitter, but there's a band I like and they have a twitter feed... if there were a bot that could follow them on my behalf... count me interested
[12:13:31] <chromas> Bytram: Bender posts the headlines to twitter
[12:13:43] <Bytram> oh, OUTgoing tweets
[12:13:43] <chromas> and someone posts them to faceboob too
[12:13:46] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:14:00] <chromas> but nobody knows who I guess. Must be a ghost
[12:14:09] <chromas> or the patriarchy
[12:14:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> bender can also post tweets from anyone who gives him credentials to post as them.
[12:14:20] <Bytram> has anyone checked to see if it is still working?
[12:14:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> twitter? yeah it still works
[12:14:40] <Bytram> and FB?
[12:14:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> fb is not us as near as i can tell.
[12:14:54] <Bytram> k
[12:15:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> but if they keep it current, more power to em.
[12:15:05] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:15:27] <chromas> 1402 Likes
[12:15:37] <Bytram> noice!
[12:16:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> crap, ima hafta use actual milk in my coffee. no powdered coffee creamer left.
[12:17:20] <boru> Is that not preferable?
[12:17:50] <boru> I don't put milk in coffee, I am just curious.
[12:18:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> generally, you'd use milk, half-n-half, or heavy cream if you're a proper coffee snob.
[12:18:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> but not if you're lactose intolerant.
[12:19:05] * Bytram prefers his coffee black with non-sugar sweetener
[12:19:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> milk + me = very smelly explosions
[12:19:14] <crutchy> thickened cream in coffee is awesome
[12:19:15] * Bytram backs away
[12:19:36] <boru> What is half-n-half? Half milk, half cream?
[12:19:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy, heavy whipping cream is awesome in coffee.
[12:19:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, yep
[12:20:12] <boru> Is heavy cream something like deuterium oxide?
[12:20:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, if it's not somebody should make it so.
[12:21:00] <crutchy> america faught the nazis for it
[12:21:19] * Bytram just upgraded his PM install and only now realizes he had about a dozen, pending addon updates
[12:21:24] <boru> They weaponised cream?
[12:21:30] <crutchy> heavy cream
[12:21:35] <Bytram> at least the session manager was able to restore all my tabs
[12:21:55] <boru> Dairy warfare. The humanity.
[12:21:55] <crutchy> now its popular with rappers
[12:22:01] <crutchy> cuz its heavy
[12:22:25] <chromas> smooth people come from smooth cream
[12:22:28] <crutchy> cows with guns
[12:22:33] <chromas> #yt
[12:22:35] <boru> Bad cow pun.
[12:22:41] <crutchy> lol
[12:22:49] <boru> I thought I was the only one...
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[12:23:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[12:23:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[12:23:14] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 75
[12:23:57] * Bytram updates all the addons
[12:24:28] <Bytram> 10 PM addons updates, 9 require restart. :P
[12:24:58] <chromas> http://a2.files.xojane.com
[12:26:16] <boru> I sure wish PM would get on with making a FreeBSD port.
[12:27:01] <boru> I suppose I should volunteer as the port maintainer.
[12:27:10] <Bytram> I suspect that would be a "non-trivial" undertaking
[12:27:20] <crutchy> just use systemd to port it
[12:27:26] <crutchy> portctl
[12:27:36] <Bytram> #smake crutchy
[12:27:36] * MrPlow smakes crutchy upside the head with a Karate chop
[12:27:43] <boru> Non-trivial is an understatement. The amount of patching firefox takes...
[12:27:54] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:27:59] <Bytram> I was thinking more of the patform dependant efforts
[12:28:08] <boru> Wouldn't it be portd? Or systemd-portd-portctl?
[12:28:14] <boru> Ah, yeah.
[12:28:36] <boru> That's a mess as it is. It's very difficult to touch any part of the ff source in insolation, ime.
[12:28:42] <boru> Isolation, rather.
[12:29:06] <Bytram> yeah, that too
[12:29:17] <boru> If only javascript wasn't invented. I could've gotten along fine with links(1).
[12:29:18] * Bytram has no idea of what platforms PM runs on
[12:29:24] <boru> Windows and Linux, iirc.
[12:29:31] <boru> And possibly crapintosh.
[12:29:37] <Bytram> idk
[12:30:12] <boru> I do wonder how well it'd function with the LBC layer on FreeBSD, actually.
[12:30:17] <boru> Perhaps I should try that when I get home.
[12:30:30] * crutchy misses hey hey its saturday :(
[12:31:14] <Bytram> PM, PM x64, PM Portlable, PM Atom/XP, PM for Linux, PM for Android
[12:31:33] <boru> PM Portable? That sounds promising.
[12:31:40] <Bytram> ^^ according to downloads available at: http://www.palemoon.org
[12:31:42] <Timmeh> ^ 03The Pale Moon Project homepage ( http://www.palemoon.org )
[12:31:53] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[12:31:54] <Timmeh> ^ 03Hey Hey It's Saturday - Dickie Knee - YouTube
[12:32:05] <boru> Oh, that wasn't what I thought it was.
[12:32:53] <boru> I thought they mean 'portable' as in 'OpenBSD-portable' as in actually sane build management which will build almost everywhere..
[12:33:22] <Bytram> nope, more like stick it on a USB stick so you can run it on any(?) windows machine
[12:33:25] <Bytram> IIRC
[12:33:30] <boru> Aye, looks like it.
[12:34:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> ye gads, i have like three addons in FF. stylish, noscript, and adblock+
[12:35:12] <Bytram> is that all? wow!
[12:35:28] <crutchy> only 2 here
[12:35:36] <crutchy> ublock origin and web developer toolbar
[12:35:44] <Bytram> only 23 here
[12:35:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> web developer don't count
[12:36:03] <crutchy> oh. well only 1 then :D
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[12:36:42] <crutchy> they may as well make it a standard ff thing
[12:37:33] <boru> I like uMatrix, and yeah, uBlock. Pentadactyl makes PM/FF integrate nicely with the rest of my WM (all vim keybindings)
[12:37:44] <crutchy> TheMightyBuzzard, you mean this one: http://chrispederick.com
[12:37:45] <Timmeh> ^ 03Web Developer
[12:38:26] <boru> Do you have a PM replacement for ghostery?
[12:38:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. that one's a given for anyone who does web work.
[12:38:34] * Bytram has not found one
[12:38:49] <boru> Nor I. Feh.
[12:38:51] <Bytram> here's what I got; sorry for the length of it, trimmed as much as I could
[12:38:55] * Bytram has: Adblock Latitude | BetterPrivacy | ColorZilla | Cookies Export/import | Download YouTube Videos as MP4 | Exif Viewer | Extension List Dumper | Firebug | Flashblock | Forecastfox (Pseudo-Static) | Html Validator | It's All Text! | Live HTTP headers | NoScript | Nuke Anything Enhanced | RefControl | Self-Destructing Cookies | Stylish | Tab Mix Plus | Tile View | uBlock Origin | User Agent Switcher | Web Developer
[12:39:14] <crutchy> damn dude
[12:39:24] <boru> Aye, I use a few of those, too.
[12:39:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, /usr/bin/youtube-dl ftw
[12:39:37] <crutchy> ublock origin is pretty kewel
[12:39:40] <Bytram> doesn't run so well on windows
[12:40:04] <Bytram> can't seem to share files between my Ubuntu VM and windows, either
[12:40:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly would if you built it with mingw
[12:40:08] <boru> Ublock origin is very lightweight. The author also wrote umatrix, which I like given it's finer access control.
[12:40:18] <boru> Its, rather.
[12:40:23] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:41:20] <boru> I wish PM had the API for querying the TLS context.
[12:41:49] <boru> It's a bit annoying having to dig around or use `openssl s_client` to get the ciphersuites available.
[12:41:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like keeping extensions to a minimum. makes for a happier FF, ram-wise.
[12:41:52] <Bytram> there's several of those that I use only rarely, but I am so glad they ARE there when I need 'em. especially colorzilla, live http headers, exif viewer
[12:42:11] <Bytram> break time; biab
[12:42:36] <boru> Well, if it weren't for all of these fat RAM consuming technologies, we wouldn't need half of these plugins!
[12:42:43] <boru> Web technologies, I mean.
[12:44:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed. if people who didn't need javascript wouldn't use it, i'd be down to two extensions. only one of which i'd consider crucial.
[12:44:43] <chromas> Disconnect works in pm
[12:44:50] <boru> What does that do?
[12:44:59] <chromas> it's like ghostery
[12:45:04] <crutchy> i just use web developer to disable javascript
[12:45:08] <crutchy> or whatever
[12:45:33] * chromas remembers when opera had features without extensions
[12:45:44] * chromas eats a pepperidge farm sausage thing
[12:45:46] <boru> Tiered service web plugin? Wtf...
[12:46:08] <chromas> https://addons.mozilla.org
[12:46:08] <Timmeh> ^ 03Disconnect :: Add-ons for Firefox
[12:46:19] <boru> Ah, wrong thing, I guess.
[12:46:24] <boru> I found disconnect.me first.
[12:50:23] <boru> I would prefer finer grained access.
[12:51:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.helpnetsecurity.com
[12:51:32] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[12:51:57] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[12:53:10] <chromas> they should just go back to 'racial' profiling
[12:53:35] <chromas> quran -> nope
[13:30:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: do you recall offhand whether we still use startcom for our certs? Do we have any Let'sEncrypt certs in use on the site?
[13:31:25] <Bytram> I'm editing a story atm, and if my recollection is correct, this is what I am planning to run in the story:
[13:31:32] <Bytram> <p>SoylentNews makes use of certs from both StartCom and Let's Encrypt.</p>
[13:31:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, dev is running let's encrypt
[13:32:04] <Bytram> k
[13:32:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> we do NOT use startcom.
[13:32:14] <Bytram> and production servers
[13:32:14] <Bytram> k
[13:32:17] <Bytram> hmmm, who DO we use?
[13:32:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> gangi and let's encrypt
[13:32:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> gandi rather
[13:33:06] <Bytram> so LE for dev and the rest are thru Gandhi?
[13:33:19] <Bytram> s/hi/i/
[13:33:19] <sedctl> <Bytram> so LE for dev and the rest are thru Gandi?
[13:34:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, only the soylentnews.org cert is through gandi. only the dev one is through let's encrypt. the rest are either self-signed or signed by our own CA
[13:35:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Results of Rust Survey 2016 - http://sylnt.us - get-the-sand-blaster
[13:35:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> that one should have been a MrPlow sub
[13:36:12] <Bytram> okay, got it. THANKS!
[13:37:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, Bytram, the "following story" link on the rust story is a fubar link
[13:39:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently the results were not intended to be made public yet and the paper was locked up
[13:39:56] <Bytram> kill the story then?
[13:40:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically
[13:41:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> since we have no source anymore
[13:44:17] <chromas> [update: linked page rusted away]
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[13:54:22] <janrinok> Bytram, that Rust story now presents me with a Google log-in - it didn't when I submitted it. And all of the results of the survey were there. But - it's always my fault :)
[13:54:37] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: sorry; myconnection joined the fubar club
[13:54:37] <Bytram> ~blame
[13:54:54] <Bytram> janrinok: are there any key phrases you could search and find an alternative site?
[13:55:21] <Bytram> no joy on the first sentence :(
[13:55:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, no. not that i could find.
[13:55:39] <janrinok> not from 4 days ago, no. My memory isn't that good any more
[13:55:40] <Bytram> nod nod
[13:55:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i looked but apparently nobody mirrored it.
[13:56:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[13:56:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[13:56:06] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 76
[13:56:11] <paulej72> google cache?
[13:56:12] <Bytram> k
[13:56:22] <n1> paulej72, just tried that
[13:56:32] <n1> seems kind of weird.
[13:56:34] <paulej72> internet archive
[13:56:48] <Bytram> if nobody else is in the story, I'll add a disclaimer...
[13:56:50] <Bytram> oh, wait. coral cache?
[13:56:54] <janrinok> apparently, it was only a draft for an upcoming release - found that on HN blog page
[13:57:01] <Bytram> nyud.net something something
[13:57:52] <Bytram> http://www.coralcdn.org
[13:57:52] <Timmeh> ^ 03The Coral Content Distribution Network
[13:58:00] <crutchy> ~g'day paulej72
[13:58:06] <paulej72> hello
[13:58:11] <Bytram> Taking advantage of CoralCDN is simple. Just append
[13:58:11] <Bytram> .nyud.net
[13:58:11] <Bytram> to the hostname of any URL,
[13:58:19] <paulej72> bot death detected
[13:58:33] <crutchy> don't suppose you could give x a cloak?
[13:58:35] <Bytram> yep, exec took a nap
[13:58:39] <janrinok> the Rust team do all their work on IRC and somebody saw the story and published it - now Rust say it was 'public but not for distribution'
[13:58:55] <paulej72> I could if i rembered how
[13:58:58] <Bytram> is it the FIRST link or the second one that is busted?
[13:59:09] <Bytram> first
[13:59:10] <janrinok> first
[13:59:35] <crutchy> paulej72, hah no worries
[14:00:07] <paulej72> WTF "public but not for distributiuon" if it's pulblic then it's public
[14:00:08] <janrinok> Pity that, because the full story was quite interesting - seems it is growing fairly rapidly in usage, and has some big names who are now using it
[14:00:14] <crutchy> anyway, it just turned into tuesday here
[14:00:19] <crutchy> so i'm off to bed
[14:00:20] <crutchy> o/
[14:00:26] <paulej72> time traveler
[14:00:34] <janrinok> sleep well digital warrior
[14:00:59] <Bytram> ~gnight crutchy
[14:01:43] <janrinok> Bytram, stackoverflow/research/developer-survey-2016 - not exactly the same but taken from the same document
[14:02:01] <Bytram> janrinok: you seem to have the 'skinny' on what happened; you want to update the story/ o/w I'll be happy to do it.
[14:02:32] <janrinok> still not close enough to back up the story though.... I'll keep looking
[14:03:02] <Bytram> while you do that, I'll put in a disclaimer
[14:03:38] <janrinok> k
[14:04:09] <Bytram> <p>[Ed. note: The first link seems to have been pulled from the web. We are currently trying find a replacement.]</p>
[14:05:03] <janrinok> looks good - it seems to be hidden behind a Google Docs log-in page.
[14:05:06] <Bytram> <p>[<b>Ed. Note:</b> The first link seems to have been pulled from the web. We are currently trying find a replacement.]</p>
[14:07:01] <janrinok> It's a pity, because it echoed several of TMB's recent comments
[14:08:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, it's always nice being right
[14:09:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly, the more i code in it the more i like it.
[14:11:00] <paulej72> lalalalalalalalalalalal I can't hear you, the only good language is <Insert your perfered over 20 year old language here> lalalalalalalalala
[14:11:19] <janrinok> that is essentially what everyone else was saying. The daily builds and needing to update were frustrating, but once the learning curve had been past, it produced very robust and sound code
[14:11:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. and fairly tight if you don't mind all your rust code being statically linked.
[14:13:10] <boru> I should have another look at rust.
[14:13:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrPlow has been up for two weeks and clocks in at 17MB res
[14:13:53] <boru> Though, it still holds true that Real Men™ use Forth.
[14:13:57] <janrinok> paulej72, do COBOL or ALGOL count?
[14:14:05] <paulej72> yep
[14:14:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, it's a pain in the ass to initially figure out borrowing/ownership of data but once you get that sorted it's pretty easy to write good code in.
[14:14:39] <boru> Aye, all that stopped me the last time I looked at it were the compiler segfaults.
[14:14:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[14:14:59] <boru> I thought I'd give it a while before I had a look, again, and now seems like that time.
[14:15:01] <janrinok> LinuxFormat - a monthly UK publication - is several months into a tutorial for rust
[14:15:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> it appears a lot more stable now then. even nightly doesn't segfault on me.
[14:15:14] <boru> Aye, sounds good.
[14:15:29] <boru> I wonder if it'll usurp Ada, eventually.
[14:15:34] * TheMightyBuzzard nods at janrinok
[14:16:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno. it could be used in place of C for a lot of projects though.
[14:16:45] <boru> I did have a look at the 'embedded' core. I wasn't sold on it.
[14:16:52] <janrinok> I don't think rust is optimised for real time - the libraries that I have used have not indicated that. It is blazingly fast but I can't see a scheduler lib for it yet. I could be looking in the wrong place though
[14:17:17] <boru> I think a freestanding (as defined by the C standard) environment fits the bill, in most cases for me.
[14:17:28] <boru> I'd like to give a spin, rather than taking it at face value.
[14:17:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> do the soylent thing, write an irc bot in it.
[14:17:52] <janrinok> I suppose someone (better skilled than I!) could write the scheduler in rust
[14:17:57] <boru> I think that part still needs a bit of porting work.
[14:18:34] <boru> Schedulers are easy!
[14:19:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, run in this priority: kernel->processes by bob->everything else
[14:19:37] <janrinok> lol - can you have it ready by next weekend please?
[14:20:45] <boru> I could write a silly scheduler in an afternoon, nearly!
[14:21:11] <boru> (I did actually write a scheduler called silly_scheduler in an afternoon, once, for a PoC tasking Forth)
[14:21:19] <Bytram> next_id = index[id, random()]
[14:21:21] <boru> It was a bit silly, but functional.
[14:22:24] <janrinok> I wrote one for an data processing task many years ago in CORAL66, but I wouldn't like to try one in rust
[14:22:27] <Bytram> hrmmmm,
[14:22:51] <Bytram> .topic SN Main Channel - be respectful of others | https://SoylentNews.org | Useful links: http://sylnt.us | This channel IS logged and publicly displayed
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[14:23:17] <janrinok> I almost knew what I was doing in CORAL, but rust is still a mixture of black-magic, skilled programming and luck to me at the present!
[14:23:18] * Bytram is easily bothered by typos
[14:23:25] <Bytram> =)
[14:23:43] <janrinok> Bytram, what did it say before?
[14:24:09] <Bytram> SN Main Channel - be respectful of others | https://SoylentNews.org | Useful links: http://sylnt.us | This channel IS logged and publically displayed
[14:24:10] <Timmeh> ^✓ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[14:24:11] <Timmeh> ^ 03Wiki: IRC links ( http://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[14:24:30] <Bytram> I changed "publically" to be "publicly"
[14:24:57] <janrinok> ah, good spot - I've never even read it and hadn't noticed :)
[14:25:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, if i can write it in vim, you can write it in Eclipse or something.
[14:25:40] * Bytram recalls a story in a major Boston paper many years ago whose title mentioned an "Upcoming Pubic Hearing"
[14:25:47] <Bytram> :P
[14:26:05] <janrinok> lol - no law against it, I suppose
[14:26:45] <AndyTheAbsurd> It's Boston, if it involves sex and isn't missionary-position penis-in-vagina sex, there was probably a law against it at some point.
[14:26:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> pubic areas are generally quiet unless currently in heavy use.
[14:26:58] <Bytram> public decency ?
[14:27:07] <janrinok> depends what is living in there
[14:27:41] * Bytram excuses himself to take a break and start to get going on his day -- working the late shift tonight.
[14:27:41] <Bytram> aafk biab
[14:28:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, i wonder what rust'd be like in an ide and do i wanna give up all the learning that happens from doing everything manually.
[14:28:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i never use an ide except for java for minecraft plugins. no sense starting now.
[14:29:38] <paulej72> write a rust ide in rust
[14:29:43] <boru> Depends on the size of the project, and whether it's someone else's code, I suppose. Generally, I use cscope and some other plugins for vim to navigate large projects.
[14:30:12] <boru> Are there such tools for rust?
[14:30:26] <paulej72> I like IDEs for syntax hilighting and simplified indenting
[14:30:30] <boru> (by tools, I mean vim plugins)
[14:30:47] <boru> Most editors provide that, these days.
[14:31:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, sure. there's a vim plugin, emacs, sublime, visual studio even
[14:31:24] <paulej72> i use Komodo Edit. Halfway between a full IDE and an editor
[14:31:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> and Eclipse of course
[14:31:59] <boru> What I mean is a cscope/clang-complete-esque plugin, but I can do some research and stop asking silly questions.
[14:32:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> alls i did was install the rust syntax file for vim and happy colors are mine.
[14:32:31] <boru> Ah, sure, I just meant something a bit more sophisticated, like cscope.
[14:32:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, don't think so
[14:32:50] <boru> Hmm.
[14:32:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.rust-lang.org though
[14:32:54] <Timmeh> ^ 03Rust and IDEs
[14:35:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit http://www.seattletimes.com
[14:35:51] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[14:35:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> blah
[14:38:26] <n1> unpopular decisions by microsoft continue to be unpopular...
[14:38:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> bad headline there. the key takeaway from that story is someone sued them and won.
[14:39:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> got $10K for lost work time and the cost of a new computer
[14:40:09] <n1> i read the first couple paragraphs and they still didn't mention that...
[14:40:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> which kinda mystifies me cause all they really needed was a new win7 install disk.
[14:40:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'like the 5th or 6th paragraph
[14:41:16] <n1> yeah i found it now
[14:41:30] <n1> but really, good job of burying it in the story
[14:41:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[14:42:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> not a settlement either so it could be cited by other suits.
[14:42:32] <n1> one small paragraph, followed by another 20 with damage control peppered throughout
[14:43:10] <n1> maybe i'm just cynical, but microsoft is probably not too upset by how the seattle times covered this story
[14:43:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:50:38] <n1> smoke time
[14:51:15] <n1> then maybe i'll finally put that new router in
[14:54:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> fine idea
[14:54:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[14:54:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[14:54:13] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 77
[14:55:50] * Bytram finally broke down and installed his A/C -- I could deal with the temperature, but the humidity was getting to me
[14:55:55] <Runaway1956> #submit http://www.foxnews.com
[14:55:56] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[14:56:21] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[14:56:36] <Runaway1956> I feel your pain Bytram - I spent $450 on a window unit this weekend
[14:56:54] <Bytram> that's expensive!
[14:56:56] <Runaway1956> Money that I really had other plans for . . .
[14:57:07] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:57:15] <Bytram> IIRC, mine is about 7k btu
[14:57:19] <Bytram> yours?
[14:57:35] <Runaway1956> Well, mostly, you get what you pay for - I got a 15,000 BTU instead of a Walmart 4000 BTU
[14:57:50] <Bytram> on second thought, it could be anywhere from 5-10k btu -- has been so long since I got it.
[14:57:57] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:58:20] <Runaway1956> The wife's idea was to get one from Wally World for about $120
[14:58:34] <Bytram> the 'little' ones often can, eventually, do the job, but take a mighty long time; best to get one that is the right size for the task at hand
[14:59:12] <Runaway1956> Yeah, buddy - not to mention, they last longer, use less electricity, and are more likely to be repairable in three or five years
[14:59:38] <Bytram> yep
[15:00:00] <Bytram> much like getting the right size computer, or ...
[15:00:21] <Bytram> running the CPU at top speed, briefly, instead of a lower clock for a longer period of time; like in a cell phone
[15:00:27] <Runaway1956> Computers? I didn't know there is a "right size" - big enough is never enough
[15:00:36] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:00:53] <Bytram> IF some is good, AND more is better, THEN too much is NOT enough!
[15:01:01] <Bytram> =)
[15:01:21] <Runaway1956> I really like my twelve cores - and my RAID - not to mention the SSD for the OS
[15:01:32] <Runaway1956> and 24 gig of memory
[15:01:58] <n1> decadent capitalist
[15:02:11] <Runaway1956> ROFLMAO - I guess that's me
[15:02:41] * Bytram glances over at his 6MB RAM, 500 MB spinning rust, 2.5 GHz Core 2 Duo and is grateful for how much faster it is than his prior lappy
[15:02:52] <n1> 6MB ram....
[15:02:53] <Runaway1956> I know one thing for certain - I positively HATE waiting for a slow assed computer to swap crap out to a slow disk of rust
[15:02:53] <n1> :p
[15:02:58] <Bytram> RAID is good for debugging, right? =)
[15:03:33] <Runaway1956> Depends on your bugs - you may need a stronger commercial preparation
[15:03:58] <Runaway1956> Some people recommend TheMightyBuzzard for debugging purposes
[15:04:52] <Bytram> sound slike using a chainsaw to cut butter, I'd rather use TheMightyBuzzard to deal with larger vermin than just a mere 'bug' -- something more cow-sized
[15:04:57] <Bytram> ~moo
[15:05:07] <Bytram> #moo
[15:05:14] <Bytram> !moo-say
[15:05:16] * n1 ponders on custom firmware to delay installing the router a little longer
[15:06:03] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[15:06:03] <Timmeh> ^ 03The Biggest Bugs Ever Found - YouTube
[15:24:33] <janrinok> Bytram, I agree with n1, I think that 6MB of mem and 500MB of disk sounds a bit 1980s
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[15:49:03] <Runaway1956> http://grrrgraphics.com
[15:49:05] <Timmeh> ^ 03Taking a Bite Out of Tyranny! - Cartoons
[15:59:24] <Bytram> afk; biab
[16:18:22] <Bytram|away> my connection keeps bouncing, and I can barely stay awake....
[16:19:02] <Bytram|away> will try and check back in later
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[16:49:23] <AzumaHazuki> Do we have any of the forum moderators/managers active in here?
[16:51:39] <n1> there's a forum?!
[16:56:15] <n1> AzumaHazuki, what's the issue?
[16:56:59] <AzumaHazuki> MikeeUSA, a.k.a. Mikhail Kvaratskhelia
[16:57:11] <AzumaHazuki> you know, Mr. "Deuteronomy says kill feminists and rape little girls?"
[16:57:16] <n1> link?
[16:57:46] <AzumaHazuki> he's posting as AC https://soylentnews.org
[16:57:46] <Timmeh> ^✓ 03SN article: Of Intel's Hardware Rootkit 04(9 comments)
[16:57:55] <AzumaHazuki> do you know this guy's history?
[16:58:17] <AzumaHazuki> i've been tweaking him waiting to see if he'll make another direct death threat so we can get his ass IP banned
[16:59:23] <AzumaHazuki> he HAS said
[16:59:25] <AzumaHazuki> Don't know you, but yes, If I ran things you would be executed on the spot, and every single woman and man who was your ally.
[17:01:30] <n1> he's using different IPs
[17:01:45] <AzumaHazuki> ah, he's proxying/TOR'ing?
[17:01:52] <n1> seems so
[17:01:58] <AzumaHazuki> figures. he's too much of a coward to say this to my "face" as it were...
[17:01:59] <n1> every comment has a different ipid
[17:02:28] <AzumaHazuki> i really wish we could figure out where he works and send screenshots of this crap
[17:02:52] <Runaway1956> Odd how that works - anonymous internet is anonymous . . .
[17:03:03] <n1> don't fuel the fire
[17:03:14] <n1> attention seeking
[17:04:10] <Runaway1956> I'd like to see him banned - but, if people gotta put up with people like me and Azumi, well, we gotta allow that kind of asshole too
[17:05:54] <Runaway1956> Sorry AzumaHazuki - didn't meant to spell your name wrong
[17:06:16] <AzumaHazuki> don't worry, that doesn't bug me
[17:06:33] <AzumaHazuki> also? don't you DARE drag me down to your level, Runaway
[17:06:38] <n1> haha
[17:06:57] <Runaway1956> Huh, wut? I try to enlighten you, and this is the thanks I get?
[17:07:19] <AzumaHazuki> the "dark enlightenment" is a contradiction in terms. i read Rand when i was 13 too, but it had no hold over me
[17:07:35] <Runaway1956> Question: can you name one single person on the forum who is "sane"?
[17:07:48] <AzumaHazuki> BerylliumSphere
[17:07:55] <AzumaHazuki> takyon
[17:08:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA's RESTORE-L Mission to Refuel Landsat 7 and Demonstrate Crosscutting Technologies - http://sylnt.us - fill-'er-up!
[17:08:16] <Runaway1956> Phhhhhttttttt - they are all just nuts of a different variety.
[17:08:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, hypothetical death threats are perfectly legal. gravis makes them to me regularly.
[17:08:32] <n1> sanity is overrated
[17:08:43] <SirFinkus> soylentnews: mixed nuts
[17:08:51] <AzumaHazuki> Runaway1956: no they are not. quit the false equivalences
[17:09:08] <Runaway1956> Speaking of Gravis - he's threatened me too I think.
[17:09:37] <Gravis> timestamp or it didn't happen
[17:09:52] * Runaway1956 stomps on Gravis toe
[17:09:52] <SirFinkus> if you haven't been threatened by Gravis, you must be doing something wrong
[17:10:04] <AzumaHazuki> n1: could we possibly implement some sort of posting filter that's keyed into the word Deuteronomy? :v or "cunt," since he seems to love using THAT word every 5 seconds?
[17:10:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, that toe stamp was indeed timely. it must have happened then.
[17:10:30] <SirFinkus> I'm anti wordfilter
[17:10:31] <Runaway1956> Isn't that like, uhhh, censorship?
[17:10:42] <AzumaHazuki> not to block the post but to flag it for review
[17:10:45] <SirFinkus> although there is a lameness filter already, idk what that covers
[17:10:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, we already have them but we can expand on them if you'll link the specific comment
[17:11:02] <AzumaHazuki> maybe add "marry little girls" to the filter?
[17:11:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> cunt is right out though. nobody would be able to talk to me.
[17:11:26] <Runaway1956> only to be replaced with "banging nubile preteens"
[17:11:35] <SirFinkus> he seems pretty persistent, I think he's just reword things
[17:11:41] <n1> TheMightyBuzzard, https://soylentnews.org
[17:11:42] <Timmeh> ^ 03SN comment by [02Anonymous Coward] (02Score:-1, Flamebait)
[17:11:53] <AzumaHazuki> i can't help but notice everyone using cunt and pussy as insults is 1) male, 2) bitter as hell, 3) angry as hell, and 4) insecure
[17:12:11] <AzumaHazuki> it makes no sense. isn't that like a fat kid calling someone he hates "chocolate cake?"
[17:12:19] <Runaway1956> It's a word - part of the English language
[17:12:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh that's not spam like the other ones. that's proper trolling.
[17:12:47] <Runaway1956> insults need not be rational after all
[17:13:10] <AzumaHazuki> i seem to remember you and Buzzard up there as two of the major exponents of using that as an insult
[17:13:21] <SirFinkus> lol exponents
[17:13:32] <AzumaHazuki> oh, also your and especially his constant references to being "cucked," fear of unmanliness, fear of "genocide against whites" etc etc
[17:13:45] <Runaway1956> Yes . . . but I agree with you, the asshole who wants to marry a six year old girl is "offensive"
[17:13:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's functional but the main point is we do not ban for insulting, regardless of the term used.
[17:14:05] <Runaway1956> Maybe we can find him, and sell him to an fat, aging, bald homosexual
[17:14:15] <AzumaHazuki> "offensive" is not the point, Runaway1956, and I will thank you to stop implying i'm some kind of fragile Tumblrina
[17:14:34] <AzumaHazuki> you'd love to dismiss my points by tarring me as, God forbid, an "SJW" (which group I've got some beefs with myself...)
[17:14:35] <Runaway1956> Thumalina, you mean?
[17:14:52] <Runaway1956> Thumbalina
[17:15:17] <AzumaHazuki> no, Runaway, Tumblrina. Portmanteau of "Tumblr" and "ballerina," meant to evoke "diva/primadonna" and, well...all that Tumblr implies
[17:15:40] <Runaway1956> Oh - well, I don't do Tumblr . . . .
[17:15:47] <AzumaHazuki> do yourself a favor and don't start
[17:15:59] <AzumaHazuki> it's like if autism had borderline
[17:16:00] * SirFinkus has found porn there before
[17:16:05] * SirFinkus whistles
[17:16:11] <Runaway1956> Lotsa things I've never been tempted to try
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[17:16:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, if you want him to stfu, downmod his posts. when an ip gets enough negative karma it isn't allowed to post... and she left
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[17:17:00] <AzumaHazuki> ugh, wrong button...i should unbind middle click
[17:17:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, if you want him to stfu, downmod his posts. when an ip gets enough negative karma it isn't allowed to post anymore for a period of time.
[17:17:37] <AzumaHazuki> but then I won't have enough mod points for you and jmorris :v and you two actually deserve them, as you're capable of rational thought
[17:17:39] <n1> he uses different ip pretty much every time
[17:17:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> do not, and let me be real clear on this, use Spam unless it really is spam though.
[17:17:50] <AzumaHazuki> whereas Mikee is just nuttier than squirrel diarrhea
[17:17:58] <SirFinkus> ha, I like that one
[17:18:09] <Runaway1956> Squirrel diarrhea?
[17:18:17] <SirFinkus> Subsentient would love it
[17:18:20] <AzumaHazuki> i'm not scared of him, more nauseated. i know people like this exist, one of them raped my sister
[17:18:34] <Subsentient> mmm, squirrel diarrhea
[17:18:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'fair but honestly i'd rather see less crappy trolling and more quality trolling.
[17:18:50] <AzumaHazuki> me too, which is why i keep downmodding you to oblivion :V
[17:18:58] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[17:19:05] <AzumaHazuki> if you actually believe the stuff you're posting you're almost as nuts as Mikee
[17:19:08] <SirFinkus> even if you did want to block him, but I don't know how you'd do it other than requiring user registration, or blocking tor and public proxies
[17:19:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh rest assured i do. well at least 90% of the time.
[17:19:29] <SirFinkus> things I hope don't happen
[17:19:43] <AzumaHazuki> ...yeah, I thought so, Buzzard :/ Jesus
[17:20:03] <AzumaHazuki> does it bother you at all that you're only one reference to the Tanakh away from being like him?
[17:20:25] <Runaway1956> Oh, fek, that ain't even close to right, or fair
[17:20:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> what can i say, i'm a libertarian. i don't care for anyone attempting to tell me what to do.
[17:20:48] <AzumaHazuki> that kind of libertarianism is very shortsighted. no (wo)man is an island. we're a social species and like it or not we work in groups
[17:20:50] <Runaway1956> There's a huge difference between us honest assholes, and perverted vermin
[17:20:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> specially if it's "for my own good".
[17:21:40] <AzumaHazuki> most people aren't as intelligent as you are though, and don't actually think the implications of their actions through
[17:21:55] <AzumaHazuki> it's like how i'm actually glad most people are religious, because they're too dumb to do moral philosophy
[17:21:58] <Runaway1956> Then, those people suffer the consequences of their actions
[17:22:07] <AzumaHazuki> er, no. OTHER people suffer the consequences.
[17:22:32] <Runaway1956> Well, you do make apoint there - http://grrrgraphics.com
[17:22:34] <AzumaHazuki> classic example: disband any sort of food or drug regulation. the poison pushers either get off scot free, or are punished, but their victims are still dead or worse
[17:22:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, i'd rather have my liberty and consequences be damned. i'm funny like that.
[17:23:02] <AzumaHazuki> your liberty ends where someone else's begins. i've described myself as left-libertarian before, but i'm also a realist
[17:23:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> with that i agree
[17:23:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> you just like to extend their liberty way, way past the end of their nose, so to speak.
[17:23:53] <AzumaHazuki> who is "their
[17:23:59] <AzumaHazuki> and which liberties do you mean?
[17:23:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> whoever
[17:24:09] <SirFinkus> really, it's kind a non-statement though, I suspect 90% of people living in the US would agree with that statement on a superficial level
[17:24:35] <SirFinkus> and it isn't that clear cut
[17:25:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> basically take any and every law that is "for your own good" and i oppose it.
[17:25:02] <AzumaHazuki> oh good God, Runaway...that is a prime example of what I mean, that cartoon. You think Donald Fucking Trump, who built his entire empire on the corrupt system he pretends to fight, is going to save us?
[17:25:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, dude... no way... trump is gonna burn the thing to the ground. which i dig.
[17:26:03] <AzumaHazuki> ....hahahahaa oh God, you actually think that
[17:26:19] <Runaway1956> AzumaHazuki - would you rather be raped by a vampire, or robbed by an honest criminal?
[17:26:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> really though, there is zero choice this go round. any of the above would fuck the nation.
[17:26:22] <AzumaHazuki> the system made him this rich! he's gonna be another Dubya, another convenient rubber stamp for the real psychos who get him in
[17:26:23] <n1> the cartoon would be better without trump in it
[17:26:34] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, we're all fucked this cycle
[17:26:48] <SirFinkus> I'm voting 3rd party, like usual
[17:26:50] <AzumaHazuki> the one person who had a chance at maybe salvaging this system was told to go to Hell by his own party
[17:27:06] <AzumaHazuki> and now this Brexit thing...everything's all happening at once
[17:27:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, paul?
[17:27:06] <SirFinkus> the issues I care clinton and trump agree on anyway
[17:27:44] <SirFinkus> Probably Jill Stein, although if Johnson gets some traction, I might vote for him
[17:27:46] <AzumaHazuki> No, Buzzard, Sanders. In the long view he's actually the most libertarian of the lot. We're a consumer, fiat-money economy; his plan is the only one that gets us consuming and the money moving again
[17:27:48] <boru> When is the US election?
[17:28:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> via theft. no thank you.
[17:28:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, november
[17:28:19] <AzumaHazuki> Aaaaahahahahaha
[17:28:33] <SirFinkus> I would have considered voting for sanders, but I guess that ship has sailed
[17:28:52] <AzumaHazuki> you think that's theft but the shit Trump pulls isn't. and the shit the corporations who buy the government does isn't theft
[17:28:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i would have considered him except for his "i will give you moneys" stance.
[17:29:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, oh sure it is but when your platform IS theft, right out the window you go.
[17:29:27] <boru> Ugh, so every news site will be up-to-the-minute running commentary and endless exchange of the same weary rhetoric for another few months. For shame.
[17:29:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, basically.
[17:29:49] <AzumaHazuki> you know, saying "Sanders is all about Free Shit (TM)" is ignorant as hell. You may as well call the disaster in the Middle East "free war" or the F35 "free jets"
[17:29:57] <SirFinkus> boru, you can always switch between that and the brexit rhetoric
[17:30:04] <AzumaHazuki> it's ALL the same shit, all from taxes. Sanders just wants to spend it on us, rather than the corporate bigwigs
[17:30:13] <boru> I've been doing a good job of avoiding that, thusfar.
[17:30:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> taxes == my money.
[17:30:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> mine. stolen from me.
[17:30:41] <AzumaHazuki> so you're PRECISELY AS MUCH AGAINST the F35 as you are against a UBI plan?
[17:30:46] <AzumaHazuki> if not you're a goddamn hypocrite
[17:30:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> use it not at all. give it back.
[17:31:17] <AzumaHazuki> you sound like a toddler, you know that? You're actually honest to Cthulhu going "MINE MINE MINE!"
[17:31:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> I don't give a rat's ass about the F35. sounds like a plane but shurg.
[17:31:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, has to be repeated because for the good of society types refuse to let it sink in.
[17:31:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> the money is not yours to play with.
[17:32:19] <SirFinkus> we're building a warplane that's way too expensive, doesn't work, and is pretty much the poster child for "feature creep"
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[17:32:31] <SirFinkus> but parts are built in all 50 states, so CAN'T CANCEL THAT SHIT
[17:32:32] <AzumaHazuki> so you don't know about something and therefore it's not important to your worldview, and you refuse to learn more
[17:32:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, oh, yeah we should not do that with my money either.
[17:32:42] <AzumaHazuki> Jesus Haploid Christ
[17:32:52] <AzumaHazuki> you are the kind of person they mean when they say "low information voter"
[17:33:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, something can not logically be important in my worldview unless i know what it is.
[17:33:19] <AzumaHazuki> of course, but you also refuse to learn new things
[17:33:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't know me well enough to say that.
[17:33:34] <AzumaHazuki> you're makng blanket, black and white statements without all the facts. or almost any of the facts most of the time
[17:33:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> or that.
[17:33:50] <Runaway1956> Blankets are good . . .
[17:33:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> warm
[17:33:55] <AzumaHazuki> first off, you cannot reduce this to "what's mine is mine" so easily. humanity has never worked this way
[17:34:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, it most certainly has.
[17:34:06] <AzumaHazuki> if we did we'd never have made it off the savannah
[17:34:20] <Runaway1956> It worked that way until the last century, pretty much
[17:34:28] * AzumaHazuki dies of laughter
[17:34:34] * AzumaHazuki continues laughing from the afterlife
[17:34:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> we made it off the savannah by also saying "what's yours is about to be mine"
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[17:34:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> we were unapologetic rat bastards for a very long time
[17:35:13] <Runaway1956> I'm still unapologetic
[17:35:17] <AzumaHazuki> we're fucked. this kind of biological, ethological, sociological, and historical ignorance is the order of the day. we're more boned than a dinosaur exhibit
[17:35:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i agree but for different reasons.
[17:35:37] <Runaway1956> But, many like to be boned
[17:35:42] <mythterj> "you're makng blanket, black and white statements without all the facts." Wow. Just WOW!
[17:35:56] <AzumaHazuki> that, right there, is the essence of "conservatism:" "Never change. Being total rat bastards is what we were so I'm always gonna be a total rat bastard"
[17:35:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is why i'm happy about our choices for president this time.
[17:36:02] <AndyTheAbsurd> AzumaHazuki: You should stick around; I enjoy your colorful metaphors.
[17:36:09] <boru> We're equally 'boned' in a world where everyone thinks their myopic political ideology actually means something in the grander scale of things.
[17:36:14] <AzumaHazuki> AndyTheAbsurd: thanks, I'm told i have a way with words.
[17:36:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> burn it down n start over. the quicker the better.
[17:36:31] <AzumaHazuki> Buzzard: agreed, except for one thing: collateral damage
[17:36:45] <AzumaHazuki> you may be wealthy or something, but i am not, and neither are my friends. you're saying to burn us too
[17:36:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to happen regardless. it can either be quick or it can take a century
[17:37:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm right there with you. wealthy is not me.
[17:37:14] <Runaway1956> Collateral damage is the cost everyone suffers for having been asleep for the past 7 to 9 decades
[17:37:17] <AzumaHazuki> then you too will burn...do you want that?
[17:37:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, if it's necessary, it's necessary.
[17:37:36] <Runaway1956> Ain't skeered
[17:37:37] <AzumaHazuki> and lest you think your pathetic peashooter will save you when it all goes to hell...
[17:37:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, if i thought that i never would have enlisted way back when.
[17:38:04] <Runaway1956> The pathetic peashooter ensures that the other guy suffers when he takes me out
[17:38:17] <AzumaHazuki> point is, you're basically calling for the economic and political equivalent of a suicide bombing
[17:38:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i lurve how folks are like TMB, you're 18, go play with machine guns and grenades and anti-tank weapons with our blessing.
[17:38:27] <Runaway1956> Who is going to live forever, anyway?
[17:38:38] <AzumaHazuki> i voted Sanders because his plan is the last chance we had to do this peacefully. that's not in the cards any longer
[17:38:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> then at 40 they're like nooooo, you cannot be allowed a 22 to shoot squirrels!
[17:39:08] <Runaway1956> Damn, girl, maybe you're more realist than I thought . . .
[17:39:36] <AzumaHazuki> damn straight i am
[17:39:40] <Runaway1956> There WILL BE a revolution - the qustion is, who, when, and where?
[17:39:42] <AzumaHazuki> i've been trying to tell you this since day one
[17:39:48] <boru> From what armchair, morelike.
[17:39:52] <AzumaHazuki> but nooooo, you disagree with me so you want to tar me as some idiot SJW
[17:39:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, it never was in the cards. there is a revolution coming in the next 50 or so years. if you want it to be bloodless, run someone who isn't a thief.
[17:40:01] <AzumaHazuki> so you can ignore the painful things i say
[17:40:07] <Runaway1956> If the tar fits, wear it?
[17:40:11] <AzumaHazuki> but it doesn't
[17:40:15] <AzumaHazuki> which is the point
[17:40:16] <boru> The tar always fits.
[17:40:25] <Runaway1956> One size fits all
[17:40:42] <AzumaHazuki> i call you out whenever I see you trying some kind of sneaky underhanded rhetoric, so that other posters can see it. that's very manipulative and, frankly, sociopathic of you to do
[17:40:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, they say that but it's usually one size fits all but you
[17:40:46] <AzumaHazuki> but i'm onto it
[17:41:10] <Runaway1956> Let's get one little detail straight - I am asocial, not antisocial
[17:41:17] <boru> And if it doesn't fit, one can always bzip2 it.
[17:41:21] <Runaway1956> most certainly not social
[17:41:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, ed zackery
[17:41:36] <AzumaHazuki> no, you are antisocial. you don't give one hot asshole-searing Texas-chilli-and-cheap-beer shit about anyone but yourself
[17:41:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> -9 baby
[17:41:42] <Runaway1956> What's wrong with pkzip?
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[17:42:17] <SirFinkus> Runaway1956, you like cheap beer?
[17:42:22] <Runaway1956> Ahhhhhh, that's where you are wrong - I do care - my life history shows it - I serve my fellow man
[17:42:26] <SirFinkus> we can't talk anymore
[17:42:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, i care about lotsa people. even you, AH. but i'm going to help on my terms not yours.
[17:42:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, he said pkzip not pabst
[17:42:47] <AzumaHazuki> I don't want your idea of "help." I've seen it. You do not care about others except insofar as it serves your ego
[17:43:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you haven't seen anything except me arguing with fools.
[17:43:08] * Runaway1956 does not like beer very much
[17:43:16] <SirFinkus> even worse
[17:43:21] <boru> Do you like tar?
[17:43:22] <AzumaHazuki> let's say you win. let's say it all goes to hell and there's 20 years of Mad Max and we come out of this in the Iron Age with 500 million people left
[17:43:25] <AzumaHazuki> what then?
[17:43:28] * Runaway1956 prefers ale
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[17:43:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> then we rebuild.
[17:43:40] <AzumaHazuki> "We?"
[17:43:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> survivors
[17:43:50] <AzumaHazuki> Nooooo, no no no. THEY rebuild. You and I will be fucking dead
[17:43:51] <Runaway1956> "WE" - the human race
[17:44:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> go back to "give me liberty or give me death" instead of "give me liberty but only if it's perfectly safe and also convenient for you"
[17:44:15] <Runaway1956> everybody dies
[17:44:16] <AzumaHazuki> what makes you think we'll get another chance? we fuck up bad enough, we'll never get technology again
[17:44:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> so be it
[17:44:32] <Runaway1956> Well, then, that's it
[17:44:38] <AzumaHazuki> and now the resources are gone. not enough left for another Industrial Revolution
[17:44:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> we did okay with bows and arrows here before whitey came along. we can again i expect.
[17:45:06] <Runaway1956> The alternative is what? To become a drone in a globalized socialistic fascist state?
[17:45:12] <AzumaHazuki> er, no
[17:45:35] <AzumaHazuki> to figure out this post-scarcity thing and get things on a sliding scale. the more necessary for survival the more socialized AND DECENTRALIZED a thing should be
[17:45:36] <Runaway1956> Azuma - there ARE things worse than death - you realize that?
[17:45:45] <AzumaHazuki> yes, Runaway1956, i do. I have experienced some of them
[17:46:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you do realize every time you tell me what must be done with my resources or take away my liberties you are spouting fascist creed, yes?
[17:46:13] <Runaway1956> This post scarcity bullshit I keep hearing about is worse than death
[17:46:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, there is no such thing as post scarcity in this time and place.
[17:46:38] <AzumaHazuki> how so? if everyone has the basics, preferably decentralized and independently (small robots, eventually replicators, windmills, solar cells) we're not bloody beholden to a central power
[17:46:48] <Runaway1956> It's a lie, Azuma
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[17:46:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, is that you?
[17:46:57] <AzumaHazuki> this is why it has to be grassroots. I'm counting on the hackers, the Pi enthusiasts, people like that kind...
[17:47:12] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: is what me?
[17:47:17] <boru> Is this what long term exposure to US politics does to people?
[17:47:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, she's spouting your creed.
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[17:47:33] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: who?
[17:47:34] <AzumaHazuki> remember, left-libertarian. the point of government IMO is to keep the basics going ("general welfare") long enough for people to get independent
[17:47:35] <Runaway1956> Reality is, even if you convinced people like me and TMB, there are a couple other billion people who will NOT be convinced
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[17:47:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, AzumaHazuki
[17:47:44] <boru> Take me with you!
[17:47:56] <AzumaHazuki> i wanna see the government shrink, not through getting sliced apart, but through finding it's less and less needed
[17:48:22] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: well, i'm me, not AzumaHazuki
[17:48:25] <Runaway1956> Won't happen that way - the first duty of any beauracracy is to grow
[17:48:27] <SirFinkus> Runaway1956: that's a shitty attitude to have, people can be convinced of things, it's just really hard and you usually don't notice it when you convince them
[17:48:29] <Runaway1956> like a living thing
[17:48:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, okay but she's wearing your underpants i think.
[17:48:45] <AzumaHazuki> ...gravis wears black panties?
[17:48:46] <Runaway1956> Are they tight?
[17:48:53] * TheMightyBuzzard nods to AzumaHazuki
[17:48:58] <Runaway1956> Stretchy?
[17:49:02] <AzumaHazuki> Gravis: what the hell are you doing in my underthings drawer? D:
[17:49:07] <Runaway1956> Racing stripes?
[17:49:15] <Gravis> i wear underarmour
[17:49:25] <Runaway1956> and clingy
[17:49:29] <SirFinkus> well, this got weird
[17:49:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, underoos > underarmour
[17:49:39] <Gravis> SirFinkus: no, it just got interesting :D
[17:49:45] * SirFinkus is going commando
[17:49:52] <SirFinkus> wearing sweats
[17:49:55] <SirFinkus> feels refreshing
[17:50:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, allow me to settle this debate by going grocery shopping.
[17:50:11] <Runaway1956> SirFinkus - wierd < or > Soylent?
[17:50:22] <AzumaHazuki> "underarmour" makes me think of a steelplayed jockstrap
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[17:50:30] <AzumaHazuki> plated* even
[17:50:42] <Runaway1956> Don't foget to go by the chocolate store TheMightyBuzzard
[17:50:46] <Runaway1956> Vitamin C
[17:50:55] <AzumaHazuki> anyway...Runaway, Buzzard, you may actually find that at base I have some things in common with you two. I don't like big government or being told what to do either
[17:51:00] <AzumaHazuki> but, i also know how humans work
[17:51:13] <Runaway1956> Humans are devious
[17:51:22] <Runaway1956> You can't trust them
[17:51:31] <AzumaHazuki> we're just scared. lack of resources, and i consider knnowledge a resource, does bad things to us
[17:51:47] <AzumaHazuki> we are so close, SO CLOSE, to setting up sustainable and more or less self-maintaining tech for the basics
[17:52:05] <AzumaHazuki> i have to fight for this. i know it has to happen from the bottom up
[17:52:12] <SirFinkus> I actually have a counter argument, since my English final was on a similar subject
[17:52:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that's what gravis thinks too. more power to yall if it turns out to be true but i think it's a pipe dream and the world i have to live in does not yet have replicators.
[17:52:30] <Runaway1956> Have you read 'the dark forest' by Cixin Lieu? Not certain of spelling
[17:52:38] <SirFinkus> http://papers.ssrn.com
[17:52:38] <Timmeh> ^✓ 03Cooperation, Fast and Slow: Meta-Analytic Evidence for a Theory of Social Heuristics and Self-Interested Deliberation by David G. Rand :: SSRN
[17:52:43] <AzumaHazuki> ...someday soon I'll be moving to nevada for work. on the side i will do xeroculture. if the desert will become green, just a little, bury me under it and i will rest well.
[17:53:14] <AzumaHazuki> we don't even need replicators; my vision is actually rather pastoral
[17:53:19] <SirFinkus> basically, humans are more benevolent when they don't have to think about it
[17:53:22] <Runaway1956> The desert is already green - we're pumping water out of the aquifers to do it
[17:53:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> in any case, you should stick around. i like you even if you don't listen before you argue.
[17:53:41] <AzumaHazuki> that's only a surface scum, and it's artificial. it's out of harmony with nature (reality) and can't be maintained
[17:53:44] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: have you seen what DMLS and SLS can do?
[17:53:52] <AzumaHazuki> we need to get desalinization going if we're going to irrigate that way
[17:53:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, stuff
[17:54:03] <AzumaHazuki> meanwhile, we should be fixing topsoil and nitrogenous compounds with succulents...
[17:54:05] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it's a replicator
[17:54:23] <Runaway1956> Well, yeah - desalination is good - but no one who has the resources is willing to invest
[17:54:32] <Runaway1956> see what I mean, you can't trust humans
[17:54:39] <AzumaHazuki> because water scarcity is an incredibly lucrative scam to run
[17:54:42] <AzumaHazuki> give it...10 years
[17:54:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, they'd say it was broken if they had to use one on trek. it's not a replicator it's a pre-prototype.
[17:54:53] <AzumaHazuki> no electricity sucks, no water kills
[17:55:06] <SirFinkus> another reason why western washington is awesome
[17:55:14] <AzumaHazuki> between greed and inertia i've resigned myself to the idea that nothing isgonna change until there's a catastrophe
[17:55:14] <Runaway1956> In ten years, the same rat bastards will be charging us ten dollars a gallon for water produced for almost free
[17:55:23] <Gravis> to make it awkward again, this is what i wear: https://www.underarmour.com
[17:55:24] <Timmeh> ^ 03Men’s UA Original Series 9” Boxerjock® | Under Armour US
[17:55:40] <Gravis> forget desalinization, we've gone past that: https://en.wikipedia.org(water_vapor_distillation_system)
[17:55:41] <Timmeh> ^ 03Wiki: Slingshot (water vapor distillation system
[17:55:41] <Runaway1956> you got that right - mankind only changes in the face of catastrophe -
[17:55:51] <AzumaHazuki> Gravis: oooh, you know about the slingshot <3
[17:55:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> real test will be does AzumaHazuki bitchslap EF when he's being a tool or complain about harassment
[17:56:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> he in your underwear drawer again?
[17:56:20] <Runaway1956> ROFLMAO
[17:56:26] <AzumaHazuki> Buzzard: yes, though I know EF motly doesn't mean it. And no, the thing in my drawer is a sling bikini, not a sling shot
[17:56:28] <SirFinkus> https://www.amazon.com this is what I usually wear
[17:56:30] <Timmeh> ^ 03Amazon.com: Men's Elephant Thong by Donna Di Capri (One Size, Black): Clothing ( https://www.amazon.com )
[17:56:32] <AzumaHazuki> and only Eliza gets to see me wear it
[17:56:42] * Runaway1956 suggeests we lock EF and Azuma in a room together, see who comes out alive
[17:56:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was thinking double-barreled slingshot but fair nuff.
[17:56:58] <AzumaHazuki> I will. Because he's a drunken fool and he doesn't mean 3/4 of what he says
[17:57:03] * SirFinkus pictures borat
[17:57:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar
[17:57:16] <Gravis> AzumaHazuki: yes, i keep myself apprised of most technological advances.
[17:57:27] <Runaway1956> apprised?
[17:57:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> i used to have a script handy where he could kick himself when he was too drunk and knew it but it got lost.
[17:57:47] <AzumaHazuki> EF is basically what happens if someone kept farting into a text to speech program and trained it to write posts.
[17:58:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> he does have some gems every now and then but yeah.
[17:58:09] <AzumaHazuki> basically...that medieval picture of the guy playing a 12-foot-long trumpet with his arse
[17:58:22] <Gravis> Runaway1956: yes, informed
[17:58:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> monty_python++
[17:58:23] <Bender> karma - monty_python: 1
[17:58:24] <SirFinkus> he's actually pretty normal when sober
[17:58:39] <Runaway1956> You've seen him sober?
[17:58:50] <SirFinkus> he comes in sober all the time
[17:59:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure. you can tell by how he says he's leaving to go get drunk.
[17:59:13] <AzumaHazuki> what if he's been pregaming? :V
[17:59:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> or bitching about not being drunk.
[17:59:26] <SirFinkus> and then when he comes back 2 hours later ranting about "the niggers"
[17:59:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> or the brown menace. yeah. or jews.
[18:00:01] <Runaway1956> Had a brother-in-law that I never saw sober - sometimes he was less than drunk, but never sober
[18:00:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> we used to kick him for it but meh.
[18:00:09] <Gravis> SirFinkus: yeah. who would have thought someone could misspell "naggers" that many times. ;P
[18:00:24] <SirFinkus> he does it less often now
[18:00:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, i thought there was an L in both up until like 3rd grade. it can happen.
[18:00:58] <SirFinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[18:00:59] <Timmeh> ^ 03BIG DANNY OLIVER SAPPHIRE - YouTube
[18:01:01] <SirFinkus> this song is awesome
[18:01:13] <AzumaHazuki> pretty sure EF is joking when he goes on about $ETHNIC_GROUP
[18:01:20] <AzumaHazuki> if not, well, he's too dumb to be a real threat
[18:01:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> half way.
[18:01:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's at most a seriously apathetic racist.
[18:01:58] <AzumaHazuki> really, it's the people with basically good intentions but bad implementations who are the real threat :/
[18:02:14] * SirFinkus blames the concerned mothers
[18:02:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> like you =P
[18:02:18] <Gravis> AzumaHazuki: he's like a poor donald trump.
[18:02:30] <n1_> lol
[18:02:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, no way does trump have good intentions.
[18:02:50] <AzumaHazuki> no, Buzzard, like you. I, unlike you, keep myself up to date with technology and know how people work. and you seem to think I'm much more statist and technocratic than i actually am
[18:03:11] <AzumaHazuki> i don't think there are technological solutions to moral issues; i think some tech can open the way to people finding said solutions
[18:03:17] <AzumaHazuki> and, again: left-libertarian
[18:03:49] <Runaway1956> Amen to that - there are no technological solutions to moral issues - unless you go Hitler's route
[18:03:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you seem to think i'm a heartless redneck. is no true but you no listens.
[18:03:50] * SirFinkus remembers arguing with TheMightyBuzzard about whether the market would have decided against leaded gasoline
[18:04:13] * SirFinkus stirs the pot
[18:04:15] <Gravis> AzumaHazuki: have you considered robot eliminating all humans and thus resolving all moral issues?
[18:04:18] <AzumaHazuki> see, Buzzard, what SirFinkus just said here is one reason WHY i thinkk you're heartless. And uninformed. "The Market" is not alive
[18:04:24] <Gravis> robots*
[18:04:32] <AzumaHazuki> Gravis: yes, i have. it's solving the wrong problem
[18:04:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, did we? i don't really have an opinion on that. could go either way. no, wait, it couldn't
[18:04:52] <Gravis> AzumaHazuki: yes but it is a technological solution to morall issues. ;)
[18:04:57] <SirFinkus> I might be mischaracterizing him, the argument was a while ago
[18:05:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> people are bloody stupid and self-destructive. nobody would have wanted an unleaded car.
[18:05:19] <SirFinkus> I was arguing the regulation is required in some cases
[18:05:26] <AzumaHazuki> "the market" never operates in isolation. that's your big blind spot. it's not a thing-in-itself either; "the market" is plain old human nature. that will answer any "what will 'the market' do?" questions
[18:05:29] <SirFinkus> I think you asked for an example, and that's the one I chose
[18:05:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think that was Runaway1956.
[18:05:39] <AzumaHazuki> even Lovelock's Gaia Hypothesis make smore sense than "the market."
[18:05:39] <SirFinkus> oh, apologies
[18:05:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> is a good argument though.
[18:06:09] <Gravis> AzumaHazuki: that and you have to mix in what HFT computers do now
[18:06:14] <Runaway1956> Substitute "the will of the people" for "the market"
[18:06:23] <AzumaHazuki> WHY do the "market" types never stop to consider "the market's" ontology? Why do they never stop to ask "WHY do we have economic activity?" It's a religion
[18:06:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally i think the market would have found an alternative to lead but s'all water under the bridge now.
[18:06:38] <AzumaHazuki> it would have once there was no more lead
[18:06:44] <Gravis> ^
[18:06:52] <Gravis> or after everyone was dead
[18:07:05] <AzumaHazuki> yeah. this is why "the invisible middle finger^W^W^W hand of the free market" is bullshit
[18:07:20] <Runaway1956> Well, at least the crime rate is dropping since we stopped using leaded gas . . . . . .
[18:07:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> market's not always right but it is always the will of the people.
[18:07:27] <SirFinkus> probably eventually, but it was a problem that needed to be solved quickly, and regulation was able to solve it
[18:07:48] <AzumaHazuki> market is one aspect of the will of the people and it gets distorted as hell by regulatory capture and plain old concentration of wealth
[18:08:02] <Gravis> Runaway1956: also since we made abortions accessible to people
[18:08:04] <AzumaHazuki> again: the economy does not exist in a vacuum, and it is not an ontological base
[18:08:14] <SirFinkus> I'm for the free market in most cases, but certain transactions are inherently asymmetrical and should be regulated or socialized
[18:08:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> regulatory capture == bad.
[18:08:23] <SirFinkus> healthcare and utilities in particular
[18:08:25] <Runaway1956> Oh, FFS - abortion reduces crime? Tell that one to someone who might believe it.
[18:08:37] <AzumaHazuki> "the market" sueprvenes on huma nature, on the resource base, on the planet itself, local conditions...it's a servant, and we've made it a God
[18:09:00] <Gravis> Runaway1956: https://en.wikipedia.org
[18:09:01] <Timmeh> ^ 03Wiki: Legalized abortion and crime effect
[18:09:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it's a game
[18:09:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> a pretty serious one but it's still only a game.
[18:09:37] <AzumaHazuki> it is not a game when entire generations are sacrificed to it like this
[18:09:55] <AzumaHazuki> it's an egregore, a collective idea that got out of control and started eating its own
[18:10:06] <AzumaHazuki> or, if you prefer, a very very successful meme that's turned parasitic
[18:10:12] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: the stupid thing is that a lot of economists thing the market is inherently stable.
[18:10:13] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[18:10:19] <Gravis> think*
[18:10:20] <Runaway1956> Gravis - it's easy to attribute a decrease in crime to your favorite cause
[18:10:29] <Runaway1956> politicos do it all the time
[18:10:37] <Gravis> Runaway1956: not my cause, just something i learned
[18:10:48] <Gravis> Runaway1956: and yes, it's called P-hacking
[18:10:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, a lot of economists think that wealth being largely held by the rich matters too. they're really dipshits.
[18:10:54] <AzumaHazuki> the main underlying sin of "the free market" is hubris, pride: the idea, specifically, of "the rational actor." This is a category error: the economy supervenes on human nature and humans are not 100% rational.
[18:10:57] <Runaway1956> That was an all-inclusive "your"
[18:11:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, s/100/10/
[18:11:36] <sedctl> <TheMightyBuzzard> <AzumaHazuki> the main underlying sin of "the free market" is hubris, pride: the idea, specifically, of "the rational actor." This is a category error: the economy supervenes on human nature and humans are not 10% rational.
[18:11:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> most humans are barely sentient.
[18:12:10] <AzumaHazuki> and yet, we've made this God, Mammon, on the assumption that we are
[18:12:19] <Runaway1956> Depends on where we establish "sentience" to begin . . .
[18:12:30] <AzumaHazuki> i like to say a mob is a collective entity whose IQ is 120 minus the square root of the number of shoes in it
[18:12:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't assume the market' saying something means it's rational.
[18:12:48] <Gravis> Runaway1956: fair nuff... but without further testing, we cannot ascribe the reduction in crime based on either
[18:12:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> i assume it says this is indeed the will of the people under these conditions.
[18:12:55] <Runaway1956> Hey, you're echoing me now AzumaHazuki
[18:12:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> which it precisely does
[18:13:12] <AzumaHazuki> Runaway1956: LIKE I SAID, we're not that different at the base. All healthy humans love liberty
[18:13:29] <AzumaHazuki> but you've got some real stinkin' thinkin' going on as to how to get there,and it's not just wrong, it's dangerous
[18:13:43] <Runaway1956> No, the intelligence bit -- one boy might be smart, two boys ain't smart, three boys are dumb, four boys are retarded
[18:13:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> there is no there. there is only here.
[18:14:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> stop reaching for utopia and live well now.
[18:14:11] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: and here is there and everywhere. ;)
[18:14:14] <AzumaHazuki> they're not mutually exclusive
[18:14:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube hip to be square
[18:14:25] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[18:14:27] <AzumaHazuki> and you can't "live well now" being selfish. everything's connected
[18:14:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> who said anything about being selfish?
[18:14:50] <Gravis> LOL
[18:14:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> i said don't steal from me and say it's morally correct.
[18:15:06] <Runaway1956> Living well does not require all the shite that the Corporations tell us we have to have
[18:15:23] <AzumaHazuki> bingo
[18:15:47] <AzumaHazuki> kill your TV, disconnect the pop-culture feed, get out and breathe, feel the grass in your toes and the sun on your face...
[18:16:03] <Gravis> but the sun... IT BURNS!
[18:16:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't, i'm too busy fishing all the time
[18:16:13] <Runaway1956> Take TMB for instance - his idea of living well involves foosh - uses almost no energy - renewable supplies
[18:16:38] <SirFinkus> but those facists won't let him pee in the lake
[18:16:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> speaking of, taking the boat out again tomorrow.
[18:17:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> SirFinkus, they probably would but they won't let me take proper fishing pee fuel (beer) out on the lake.
[18:17:12] <AzumaHazuki> the whole earth is cycles in cycles in cycles. renewable and sustainable is the only way
[18:17:26] <SirFinkus> peeing off something high, or into water is real happiness
[18:17:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth. a tree will do in a pinch though.
[18:17:49] * Runaway1956 peed off the fantail of a destroyer doing 30 knots
[18:17:59] <SirFinkus> especially if it has a knot or a hole to aim at
[18:18:03] * Runaway1956 doesn't think that can be beat, unless you pee out of an airplane
[18:18:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i think you won that one.
[18:18:44] * Runaway1956 never peed off the bow of that destroyer doing 30 knots though
[18:18:57] <SirFinkus> you're smarter than you look
[18:19:08] <Runaway1956> I thought I told you that already -
[18:19:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> be realistic. someone probably warned him.
[18:20:00] <Runaway1956> ~smake TheMightyBuzzard
[18:20:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i really do need to hit the shopping. missing important food staples like chili peppers.
[18:20:34] <Runaway1956> I gotta get some sleep peoples - later
[18:20:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> nite
[18:20:44] <SirFinkus> sleep = huff leaded gasoline
[18:21:35] <AzumaHazuki> that would explain far too much :v
[18:34:39] <n1_> is traditional
[18:39:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Alphabet/Google Hoping to Manage US Public Transit Systems - http://sylnt.us - where-you-at?
[18:42:21] <AzumaHazuki> wow, that doesn't sound creepily dystopian at all
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[18:43:19] <n1_> but who is better suited to do such things?
[18:43:51] <AzumaHazuki> it's something the transit agencies should license and then control on their own
[18:43:56] <AzumaHazuki> google does not need to know these things
[18:44:33] <n1_> maybe not need, but it would sure be nice for them
[18:44:41] <AndyTheAbsurd> To be honest, Google does a better job at providing route-planning for individuals than any local agency I've experienced did.
[18:44:55] <n1_> google, amazon, facebook, someone needs to know how/where we're travelling
[18:44:55] <AndyTheAbsurd> Not sure how they'd do at *managing* the agencies, though.
[18:46:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> Of course, transit has a problem: If it's servicing the entire community, it most likely won't be profitable; if it's profitable, there's most likely large parts of the community that it's not servicing.
[18:46:45] <n1_> i believe in the UK they're working on a situation where local governments can't own the bus services in their areas anymore
[18:52:23] <n1_> so it would be a good time for google to get in being the driverless bus company for the uk, especially once we get rid of all those pesky EU laws.
[18:54:15] <boru> Oracle driverless buses are what you deserve!
[18:55:55] <n1_> that doesn't sound worse
[18:56:01] <n1_> more expensive maybe
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[23:46:06] <Deucalion> crutchy, yes I think myself and paulej72 are the IRC "superops" - I certainly should be as IRC Admin :) Feel free to just drop me a message here (in channel or PM) - I'll spot that when I next connect. Or email juggs@SN.
[23:51:27] * Deucalion sees no fires in need of tending so heads to bed. Couple of days off work after tomorrow, should be around more.
[23:51:35] * TheMightyBuzzard sets some fires
[23:56:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> #join #editorial