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[00:09:37] <Runaway1956> #submit http://www.latimes.com
[00:09:37] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[00:09:53] <Runaway1956> MrPlow likes more liberal sites, it seems
[00:10:03] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[00:10:03] <Cripple> ^✓ 03SoylentNews Submissions ( https://soylentnews.org )
[00:11:03] <Gravis> Runaway1956: careful, that would mean that liberal sites are less likely to impede bots meaning conservative sites are more likely to use javascript bullshit
[00:11:42] <Gravis> Runaway1956: but it makes sense
[00:11:46] <Runaway1956> That's a possibility
[00:12:11] <Runaway1956> Or, maybe those conservative sites just don't know how to design web pages
[00:12:17] <Gravis> sites by conservatives are more likely run by assholes... meaning conservatives are more likely to be assholes than liberals
[00:12:42] <Gravis> Runaway1956: so what you are really saying is that conservatives are a bunch of assholes. ;)
[00:12:45] <Runaway1956> The dosage of assholes in this country is quite liberal
[00:13:55] <Runaway1956> Fek - I'm gonna lay down and stretch for awhile - don't know why I woke up so early . . . .
[00:15:43] <Gravis> Runaway1956: it actually would be interesting to run a study and see if there is any correlation between asshole site design and political affiliation
[00:26:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Stories Told of Brilliant Scientists Affect Kids' Interest in the Field - http://sylnt.us - they're-just-like-us
[00:41:43] <SirFinkus> awww shit, new osx filesystem
[00:42:55] <chromas> Is it awesome?
[00:43:32] <SirFinkus> it looks neat, but not released yet
[00:43:43] <SirFinkus> snapshots, copy on write, sparse files etc
[00:44:01] <chromas> btrfs? :D
[00:44:39] <SirFinkus> apple file system
[00:55:25] <SirFinkus> oh, I'm sorry
[00:55:28] <SirFinkus> it's macOS now
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[00:57:43] <Balls_Under_Burqua> 'Sup muh niggaz
[00:58:03] <SirFinkus> playing an e3 drinking game
[00:58:19] <Balls_Under_Burqua> how does it work?
[00:58:28] <SirFinkus> http://i.imgur.com
[00:58:53] <Balls_Under_Burqua> Nice.
[00:59:07] <SirFinkus> oh, heard a joke
[00:59:14] <SirFinkus> might have heard it already
[00:59:18] <SirFinkus> a muslim walks into a bar
[00:59:24] <SirFinkus> bartender asks "what'll you have"
[00:59:29] <SirFinkus> he replies "shots for everyone"
[00:59:31] <SirFinkus> *gay bar
[00:59:36] <SirFinkus> fuck, I fucked it up
[00:59:42] * Balls_Under_Burqua steals your joke
[00:59:46] <Balls_Under_Burqua> it was still funny
[01:00:02] <SirFinkus> imma text it to my mom
[01:03:27] <SirFinkus> "not funny!!"
[01:03:29] <SirFinkus> haha
[01:04:15] <Balls_Under_Burqua> Some people say the guy went to the bar a few times before he shot it up.
[01:04:18] <Balls_Under_Burqua> and would drink there.
[01:04:42] <Balls_Under_Burqua> It's the kind of shit that happens as a homo in a repressive upbringing. Pure schizophrenia
[01:04:46] <SirFinkus> he does strike me as represed
[01:05:02] <Balls_Under_Burqua> Maybe he was just mad nobody was hittin on him...which is damn near impossible. Even I get hit on in gay bars
[01:05:14] <Runaway1956> So, you're saying that a homo is most likely to shoot up a gay bar?
[01:05:30] <SirFinkus> so sony is opening with a full orchestra
[01:05:36] <SirFinkus> playing dramatic music
[01:05:43] <SirFinkus> with some woman playing a drum and beat boxing
[01:06:12] <Balls_Under_Burqua> Runaway, I'm saying that anybody growing up in an environment that teaches them to hate themselves is going to have problems somewhere down the line.
[01:06:35] <Balls_Under_Burqua> All the homos I know are pretty cool guys. They just wanna party.
[01:06:45] <Balls_Under_Burqua> It's the religion that's the problem.
[01:07:05] <SirFinkus> oh god
[01:07:14] <Balls_Under_Burqua> SirFinkus, since its SONY, are there any stars of David hidden in the preview?
[01:07:29] <SirFinkus> idk, kratos is chasing a kid through the forest
[01:07:36] <SirFinkus> "slow down boy"
[01:07:48] <Balls_Under_Burqua> Hahahah, that's "Greek Mythology" for you, SirFink
[01:08:18] <SirFinkus> "only fire when I tell you to FIRE"
[01:08:28] <SirFinkus> oh lord, the undertones
[01:08:32] <cmn32480> ~gday knuckleheads
[01:08:34] * exec romantically pukes a dumpster of cobol on knuckleheads
[01:08:36] <SirFinkus> the boy shot too soon
[01:08:54] <Balls_Under_Burqua> SirFinkus, do they get into a Greco-Roman wrestling match in loin-cloths?
[01:09:16] <cmn32480> betch they used oil
[01:09:46] <Balls_Under_Burqua> Hahaha
[01:10:06] <cmn32480> trust me Leon... take the oil
[01:11:08] <cmn32480> https://www.youtube.com
[01:11:09] <Cripple> ^ 03The Ladies Man (5/6) Movie CLIP - I Will Crush You (2000) HD - YouTube
[01:13:41] <SirFinkus> now he's hunched over the boy, teaching him to shoot a bow
[01:14:32] <Balls_Under_Burqua> Fink, is it God of War 4?
[01:14:37] <SirFinkus> idk
[01:14:44] <SirFinkus> looks like a reboot or some shit
[01:14:51] <SirFinkus> it's some viking shit
[01:14:59] <SirFinkus> but with kratos
[01:15:12] <SirFinkus> "a new beginning"
[01:15:15] <SirFinkus> UHHHNG
[01:15:17] <SirFinkus> that's a drink
[01:15:37] <SirFinkus> it's just "God of War"
[01:17:03] <SirFinkus> lol the all have to talk about orlando
[01:17:14] <SirFinkus> not on the list, but I'm taking a drink
[01:17:44] <SirFinkus> "on behalf of the playstation community, our thoughts are with everyone affected by the tragedy in orlando"
[01:18:00] <Balls_Under_Burqua> AKA homo-on-homo violence.
[01:19:12] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.rt.com
[01:19:14] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[01:19:26] <Runaway1956> ~submit https://www.rt.com
[01:20:00] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[01:21:47] * Balls_Under_Burqua would team up with the Mexicans if it meant a war on Islam
[01:21:57] <SirFinkus> they're just playing trailer after trailer
[01:22:08] <Runaway1956> now, here is some real science for you
[01:22:10] <Balls_Under_Burqua> Fink, isn't that what they always do at E3?
[01:22:16] <Runaway1956> ~submit https://www.rt.com
[01:22:34] <SirFinkus> yeah, but no intros or anything
[01:22:40] <Balls_Under_Burqua> Hahaha Runaway, that's some goddamn idiocy
[01:22:51] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[01:23:02] <Runaway1956> You can say that, with your hairy balls swinging under a burqua?
[01:23:30] <Runaway1956> You're probably the real cause of the rivers running dry
[01:24:09] <SirFinkus> man, I'm glad I didn't play this game during the ubisoft conference
[01:24:12] <SirFinkus> I'd be dead
[01:24:42] <Subsentient> Balls_Under_Burqua: hiyah
[01:24:47] <Balls_Under_Burqua> Isn't Ubisoft that firm that preches diversity and yet is all White women?
[01:25:02] <Balls_Under_Burqua> or is that the Huffington Post? Or Github? hard to tell nowadays
[01:25:04] <SirFinkus> oh shit, the pc one too
[01:25:11] <Runaway1956> buncha diverse dykes then?
[01:25:14] <Subsentient> Balls_Under_Burqua: I love your deliciously offensive nicks, they add the spice to life.
[01:25:17] <SirFinkus> they had an alienware vr backpack
[01:25:30] * Balls_Under_Burqua shits a fat snakeling of corn kernels and peanut fragments down Subsentient's throat
[01:25:38] * Subsentient licks his lips
[01:27:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Creating Human Genomes and Synthetic People, Destroying Entire Species With Gene Drives - http://sylnt.us - future-of-humanity
[01:28:04] <SirFinkus> I don't know what this game is, but it looks pretty neat
[01:30:44] <Balls_Under_Burqua> Hey Fink, what's that race war game again?
[01:30:44] <Balls_Under_Burqua> The one with meme-Jew on the walls?
[01:30:54] <SirFinkus> ethnic cleansing?
[01:31:13] <Balls_Under_Burqua> Hahaha, yeah.
[01:31:24] * Balls_Under_Burqua reads Ethnic Cleansing wikipedia page
[01:33:03] <Runaway1956> http://rationalwiki.org(video_game)
[01:33:04] <Cripple> ^ 03Wiki: Ethnic Cleansing (video game
[01:33:07] <SirFinkus> now it's some bladerunner shit
[01:33:22] <SirFinkus> LMAO
[01:33:27] <SirFinkus> well, they have some balls
[01:33:35] <SirFinkus> killed a little girl in the trailer
[01:35:37] <SirFinkus> "detroit become human"
[01:35:44] <SirFinkus> the fuck kind of name is that?
[01:35:46] <Balls_Under_Burqua> It's okay if it was a White girl
[01:36:35] <SirFinkus> but this is weird, they've just been showing game trailers with no intros or anything for 30 minutes now
[01:38:08] <Balls_Under_Burqua> What's the big deal about intros? Aren't they those pre-rendered things that have nothing to do with the actual game?
[01:38:31] <Balls_Under_Burqua> (actual game mechanics,rather)
[01:38:38] <SirFinkus> like, no people
[01:39:04] <SirFinkus> usually they have some guy or the dev team awkwardly explain the game
[01:39:23] <Balls_Under_Burqua> That's too boring for people with the attention spans of gnats
[01:39:32] <SirFinkus> lol resident evil
[01:39:44] <SirFinkus> available tonight DRINK
[01:51:25] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[01:51:25] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[01:51:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> good dinner. good nap.
[01:52:37] <Runaway1956> #submit http://www.ctvnews.ca
[01:52:37] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[01:53:03] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[01:53:03] <Cripple> ^✓ 03SoylentNews Submissions ( https://soylentnews.org )
[01:54:28] <Balls_Under_Burqua> 'Sup.
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[02:10:19] <Gravis> not sure what they are arguing in court. it was a successful sting operation. seems pretty cut and dry.
[02:33:23] <Runaway1956> It's the old "entrapment" argument, Gravis - because lawmen supplied the stuff to do it, defense argues that it's all the cop's fault
[02:33:59] <Runaway1956> Sometimes, that is a good argument - there's a case in New York where the government "informant" coerced the "bad guys" to commit the acts they committed
[02:34:09] <Runaway1956> Often times, the argument is bullshit
[02:34:20] <Runaway1956> Gotta get my ass moving right now though
[02:39:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube I like to move it
[02:39:42] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[02:39:43] <Cripple> ^ 03I Like To Move It (Original Video) Madagascar HD - YouTube
[02:40:29] <Gravis> Subsentient: i made a compromise in the config file format that you probably still won't like. http://pastebin.com
[02:41:11] <Gravis> Subsentient: you can use it 100% declarative if you wanted but it's far more flexible than ultra verbosity
[02:41:50] <cmn32480> ~gdaqy TheMightyBuzzard
[02:41:54] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[02:41:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[02:41:56] * exec cohesively launches a hollowed out iMac of source code toward TheMightyBuzzard
[02:41:58] * exec figuratively inserts a hemp bag of capsaicin into cmn32480
[02:42:09] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[02:42:12] <cmn32480> tie?
[02:42:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like both of them things
[02:42:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> tie
[02:42:30] <cmn32480> fair nuff
[02:42:53] <Gravis> Subsentient: but your context based format is insane and nobody will have that
[02:42:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> speakin of, i gotta not let the roomie make the next batch of salsa.
[02:43:09] <cmn32480> yer bum on fire?
[02:43:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> him and cilantro should not be allowed in the same room.
[02:43:26] <cmn32480> that was totally not what I expected
[02:43:28] <SirFinkus> how does one fuck up salsa?
[02:43:46] <Gravis> SirFinkus: don't be TheMightyBuzzard and serve it to TheMightyBuzzard
[02:44:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus he forgot to wash his hands and rubbed habanero in his eye. then forgot to close his eye and rubbed soap and water in it.
[02:44:08] <Gravis> LOL
[02:44:30] <cmn32480> roomie needs some serious help
[02:44:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> it was amusing but i'd rather have salsa that don't taste like i'm eating cilantro
[02:44:40] <cmn32480> but I bet that stung like a bastard
[02:44:42] <cmn32480> both times
[02:45:03] <Gravis> cmn32480: i think he lives in a care home for "special" people
[02:45:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> indeed. he got the clumsy down pat. no idea how he survives as an electrician.
[02:45:21] <cmn32480> rubber gloves?
[02:46:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was thinking half a dozen overworked guardian angels. and possibly another dozen demons lending a hand so other people will follow his example.
[02:46:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> that or he just has Finder's blessing
[02:48:06] <Gravis> "The Finder is the default file manager and graphical user interface shell used on all Macintosh operating systems. Described in its "About" window as "The Macintosh Desktop Experience", it is responsible for the launching of other applications, and for the overall user management of files, disks, and network volumes. It was introduced with the first Macintosh computer, and also exists as part of GS/OS on the Apple IIGS. It had been
[02:48:06] <Gravis> rewritten completely with the release of Mac OS X in 2001."
[02:48:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, interesting config layout but i too find it mildly confusing. do you really want to write a new standard?
[02:48:24] <Gravis> "The Finder is the default file manager and graphical user interface shell used on all Macintosh operating systems. Described in its "About" window as "The Macintosh Desktop Experience", it is responsible for the launching of other applications, and for the overall user management of files, disks, and network volumes. It was introduced with the first Macintosh computer, and also exists as part of GS/OS on the Apple IIGS. It had been
[02:48:24] <Gravis> rewritten completely with the release of Mac OS X in 2001."
[02:48:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> #g finder forgotten realms
[02:48:39] <MrPlow> https://en.wikipedia.org - "In the Forgotten Realms campaign setting for the Dungeons & Dragons fantasy role-playing game, Finder Wyvernspur is a relatively new power raised to divinity ..."
[02:48:40] <Cripple> ^ 03Wiki: Finder Wyvernspur
[02:48:50] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: not at all, it's an extension of the INI format
[02:49:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, but one you'll be obliged to maintain if you create it.
[02:49:27] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: Subsentient wants to use something that is completely absurd and context dependant
[02:49:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> what, xml?
[02:50:41] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: no, it's just nuts: https://universe2.us
[02:50:42] <Cripple> ^ 03Epoch Init System - Configuration Documentation
[02:51:14] <cmn32480> I thoguht the new one was Epoch-NG
[02:51:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally i prefer json. it's basically instantly legible to anyone who can read perl though, so that's expected.
[02:51:45] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: JSON is shit like XML because you forget to close one brace and the entire file is FUCKED
[02:52:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'true but most parsers will tell you where you fucked up.
[02:52:31] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: for a config file? nope
[02:52:47] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it's just fucked
[02:53:22] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: most of the time the behavior for bad parsing is to fail to load the file and use default values
[02:53:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly not the right fit for an init system but i am a big fan of it for general config files and other types of data storage.
[02:54:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> but then i'm reading it with perl most days and you can get it to tell you where it's hosed.
[02:54:17] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: JSON has parser fail written all over it
[02:54:23] <cmn32480> good night
[02:54:32] <Gravis> if it's machine generated, not a problem
[02:54:34] <cmn32480> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[02:54:35] * exec faithfully throws a A cup of CoC at TheMightyBuzzard
[02:54:43] <cmn32480> ~gngiht gravis
[02:54:44] <Gravis> if it's a config file you want to edit, you are fucked
[02:54:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, s'like saying C shouldn't be used cause memory errors are so easy to code into it accidentally.
[02:56:01] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i'm talking about config files.
[02:56:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, json structures can basically be copy pasta into perl as variable declarations. they're second nature to me. i can edit them in my sleep.
[02:57:20] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: well... you aren't everybody and you can't see the obvious problems other people have? you did some fine work with Gnome 3?
[02:57:37] <Gravis> ;)
[02:58:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Patterning Smaller Junctions for Ultrathin Devices - http://sylnt.us - chip-is-flat
[02:58:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> want to get really funky, try all the complexity of json plus $foo being able to be a reference to anything from a number to a function.
[02:58:29] <Gravis> yeah, that's just retarded
[02:58:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's rehash. it takes a certain shape of insanity to play it well.
[02:59:15] <Gravis> like i said, that's just retarded
[02:59:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> but after you get your brain shaped around it, it makes perfect sense
[03:00:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess that's any config file format of non-trivial funkiness though.
[03:03:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> feelin pretty proud of myself tonight by the way. played smack my bitch up all over the roomie's boy in his first FPS deathmatch game.
[03:03:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not often old bastards get to pwn a kid at a video game.
[03:05:09] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: scripting has no place in config files
[03:06:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, or templates. i despise our templating system.
[03:09:45] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: ah here we go, this is Subsentient's idea of a good config file: https://universe2.us
[03:11:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> easily human readable, i'll give it that. does it make allowances for arrays?
[03:11:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, space separated, i see.
[03:12:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> A) needs comments B) could use clearer separation of blocks besides indention.
[03:13:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> the latter because it reminds me too much of python
[03:22:41] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: the indenting has no effect, it's merely stylistic
[03:22:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[03:23:12] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: what's really happening is it's using ObjectID as a context value
[03:23:26] <Gravis> so instead of [SectionName] you have ObjectID=
[03:24:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, the bit that annoys me is that there's nothing drawing your eye to WHY you indented something. either needs a proper heading like an ini file or braces around it like a code block
[03:24:33] <Gravis> it's absurd because the order of the lines which look quite similar actually matters
[03:25:36] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: and now everyone resents you because that's microsoft style and they made systemd happen! (according to Subsentient)
[03:26:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> microsoft didn't invent putting braces around a block
[03:26:55] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: oh you mean curly braces? yeah, that's JSON parse fail
[03:27:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. they don't gotta be relevant to the parser.
[03:27:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> ignore em like you do #comments
[03:28:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> but they'd make the file make a lot more sense
[03:29:06] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: [Section] does the same thing but doesn't suffer from parse fail
[03:29:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> missing a brace doesn't suffer from parse fail if you make the parser ignore braces
[03:29:57] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: sure but then what's the point?
[03:30:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> making more sense to human eyes
[03:30:41] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: why bother with that when [Section] is both functional and good for humans?
[03:30:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you really wanna get his goat though, tell him it's not a microsoft thing, it's a mysql thing.
[03:31:40] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: that's just pointless
[03:31:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes but it'd make his brain explode
[03:32:53] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: while humorous, i don't wish to waste anyone's time like that
[03:33:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> remind him that ini files were around back when microsoft made a perfectly serviceable home OS. you know, the one without a GUI.
[03:34:31] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: he's too hung up on what other people think
[03:35:19] <Gravis> he really think people would resent using the INI file format
[03:35:25] <Gravis> thinks*
[03:36:03] <Gravis> it's beyond logic
[03:36:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i'm not really all that interested. when systemd chaps my ass enough i won't be going to either of your init systems. i'll be going to sysv and running slackware and dealing with dependency hell again.
[03:36:37] <Gravis> ;)
[03:36:49] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you never know, you might just like what i make
[03:36:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothin personal, i just dislike using init systems that haven't been around for at least ten years.
[03:37:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's an important bit. i prefer it be stable as hell.
[03:37:36] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: that's the idea
[03:37:55] <Gravis> no bugs
[03:37:59] <Gravis> minimal code
[03:38:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, i mean code-stable. as in finished. done. no security patches for the past five years.
[03:38:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> not such a worry on the desktop but i gotta think of servers as well.
[03:39:00] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: perhaps when i'm done, i'll send it back in time, just for you. ;)
[03:39:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> cheers.
[03:39:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> or you can, you know, just finish and i'll give it a whirl on the desktop for a few years before i put it on a server.
[03:40:56] <Gravis> i saw the comments on SN about suggestions for epoch and i like the step by step interactive boot idea
[03:41:08] <Gravis> good for debug
[03:41:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> damned skippy
[03:42:03] <Gravis> fuck off, it wasn't your idea. ;P
[03:42:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> i remember something used to offer that with their sysv init scripts. forget which distro though.
[03:44:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> ideally, you ask before calling a script but instead of [Y/n] you offer [Y/n/e] and build a bloody simple text editor in so you can edit the boot scripts while booting.
[03:45:23] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: screw that, offering shell is a better option
[03:45:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> true, if you're far enough along to offer a shell.
[03:46:33] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: initrd (init ram disk) is the target, so it's not exactly a problem
[03:47:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. assuming you didn't screw up making your initrd and then go deleting all your old kernel versions like a noobass
[03:48:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> haven't done that in decades though
[03:49:39] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: decades? how long do you think initrd has been around?
[03:50:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> lil over 20 years. which is just long enough to have plural decades.
[03:50:43] <Gravis> -_-
[03:51:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> still accurate. i only fubar'd my initrd back when disk sets were still a thing.
[03:51:57] <Gravis> i don't want to get into initrd building but i fear it's an eventuality
[03:52:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> you shouldn't need to.
[03:52:50] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah but seeing how systemd has ruined everything. *sigh*
[03:53:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that has me wondering why you're sticking so close to their structure of tying everything together.
[03:53:44] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i'll be sure to include a tiny text editor
[03:54:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> go with ed. make it fun.
[03:54:08] <Gravis> lol
[03:54:17] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: their structure? what do you mean by their "structure"?
[03:54:47] <Gravis> i'm just making components that do one thing and do it well
[03:55:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar but they do the same thing as systemd components, no?
[03:55:13] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: the init system isn't the service manager but it loads the service manager over it
[03:55:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, roger
[03:55:44] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: no, they accomplish the same tasks but are designed differently
[03:56:31] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: the init system just loads the IPC and config I/O systems before loading the service manager
[03:56:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[03:57:28] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: the service manager uses the IPC to talk to the config system to read all the config and service files (but can do so on it's own if config reader fails to function for some reason)
[03:57:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit, i'm starting to lose trains of thought.
[03:58:38] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: the service manager then begins loading things by runlevel and dependancies
[03:58:51] <Gravis> the service manager handles all the runlevel shit
[03:59:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, that's the one i lost. was remembering having to copy con >config.sys to get some dos-based gambling machines working
[03:59:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> how they convinced anyone dos was secure enough for gambling, i have no idea.
[04:00:44] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: instead of udev, there is an event daemon that monitors hardware changes and tells the devfs manager when there is new stuff
[04:01:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> handy.
[04:01:34] <Gravis> each part only does one thing
[04:01:50] <Gravis> and it does it well
[04:02:20] <Gravis> the config daemon watches the files for updates as well as validates the config files
[04:02:42] <Gravis> it's not a simple thing, so very few programs actually do that
[04:03:07] <Gravis> most just wait for a service "reload" signal or just restarting the service
[04:03:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> how you watching the files, out of curiousity?
[04:03:42] <Gravis> it's kernel dependant, so it has to be implemented multiple times
[04:03:49] * TheMightyBuzzard nods
[04:03:51] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it will be abstracted
[04:04:36] <Gravis> but hey, if the config file manager isn't installed, each process will just open and parse the config file themselves
[04:04:58] <Gravis> basic functionality but nothing fancy
[04:05:02] <Gravis> no updates
[04:05:25] <Gravis> each part works indepedantly but works better together
[04:05:44] <Gravis> modular but integrated
[04:05:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> so there'll be say a module for inotify or similar for linux and something painful to write for windows and the abstraction layer will pick which to use at runtime?
[04:06:22] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: not supporting windows unless someone really pays for it
[04:06:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, didn't figure. just a fer example.
[04:06:46] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: it's compiletime
[04:07:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[04:07:29] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: look up what and "interface" is
[04:07:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> makes sense. smaller binaries and you're not gonna move an init system between oses. you're gonna install it for each.
[04:07:54] <Gravis> this: https://stackoverflow.com
[04:07:56] <Cripple> ^ 03inheritance - How do you declare an interface in C++? - Stack Overflow
[04:08:54] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: well, the format of binaries is completely dependant on the OS, so yeah.
[04:09:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> so you can tell i'm up way past my bedtime then?
[04:10:08] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i've assumed your bedtime was 7pm for quite some time
[04:10:42] <Gravis> "i watch wheel and then go ta bed!" <-- that's you
[04:10:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> close. 9pm. being old rocks. you don't gotta stay up doing foolish shit.
[04:11:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> #youtube nine to five
[04:11:30] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[04:11:31] <Cripple> ^ 03Dolly Parton - Nine to Five - YouTube
[04:11:35] <Gravis> -don't gotta+can't
[04:12:19] * Subsentient seductively felches a goblet of Spongebob horror porn for Gravis
[04:12:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> well technically i can, it's just that foolishness isn't going to be optional. so you might as well get good and drunk if you're gonna.
[04:13:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake Subsentient
[04:13:01] * MrPlow smakes Subsentient upside the head with a banana cream pie
[04:13:50] <Gravis> Subsentient: feel free to tell me how people will resent me for this new modified markup: http://pastebin.com
[04:13:56] * Subsentient deliciously sneezes a mug of penis butter and jelly for TheMightyBuzzard
[04:16:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, ima let you two C++ dweebs have at it and hit the sack
[04:17:30] <Gravis> Subsentient: no objections? it's so perfect that you are speechless. i knew it.
[04:17:44] <Subsentient> Gravis: Are the <-- yes things comments?
[04:18:28] <Gravis> Subsentient: points to what is valid and what is invalid
[04:18:59] <Subsentient> Gravis: That's actually pretty good.
[04:20:04] <Subsentient> Gravis: But, it looks a lot like ini
[04:20:13] <Subsentient> Gravis: Switch the [] for {}?
[04:21:01] <Gravis> Subsentient: it doesn't have to look like INI at all if you use all absolutes
[04:21:11] <Gravis> Subsentient: why would you purposely make it incompatible/
[04:21:16] <Gravis> that's just stupdi
[04:21:39] <Subsentient> Gravis: To shut up the folks who will think it's too 'microsoft-ey'
[04:21:43] <Subsentient> I don't have an issue
[04:22:03] <Subsentient> but they have the irrational perhaps subconscious issue with it, and it'd be good to avoid that
[04:22:30] <Gravis> Subsentient: i think this issue you have with the INI format is totally in your head and not really anywhere in reality
[04:23:18] <Subsentient> Gravis: Whatever.
[04:23:26] <Gravis> Subsentient: i've never heard anyone complain about the INI format
[04:23:41] <Subsentient> Gravis: I've heard UNIX graybeards frown on it more than once
[04:24:02] <Gravis> Subsentient: the format specifically or systemd?
[04:24:57] <Gravis> Subsentient: because it's not a problem to switch the config system to use 100% absolute paths
[04:25:58] <Gravis> or 100% relevant paths with not section (would look unixy) but if you define a section, there is no going back
[04:26:43] <Gravis> -not+no
[04:27:15] <Subsentient> Gravis: Both, obviously systemd more, but I've heard attacks on other stuff that uses ini
[04:30:37] <Gravis> well one can just make a -no-sections flag and ensure they get their pure Variable=value goodness
[04:34:06] <Gravis> Subsentient: so now that we have that resolved. what do you have against my system being composed of many small programs which you decared as "applets"\
[04:34:37] <Subsentient> Gravis: I don't mind an init system broken up, I only mind an init system that becomes more than an init system.
[04:35:34] <Gravis> Subsentient: the init system loads a service manager and that's it
[04:35:43] <Gravis> Subsentient: you don't want a service manager?
[04:36:11] <Subsentient> Gravis: I think anything that isn't a pile of scripts has to have it integrated, and architecturally it's a lot easier to integrate that with PID 1.
[04:36:18] <Subsentient> But I don't like more growth than that
[04:36:24] <Subsentient> I consider this a necessary evil
[04:37:29] <Gravis> Subsentient: ok... so what is it about my design to which you object?
[04:38:07] <Gravis> Subsentient: because the service manager literally only manages services
[04:38:11] <Subsentient> Gravis: The idea of having an init system do more than an init system, like you mentioned creating like gettys etc
[04:38:24] <Subsentient> don't write your own gettys dude
[04:39:22] <Gravis> Subsentient: getty is a program. what do you mean when you say creating "gettys"?
[04:40:04] <Subsentient> Gravis: Writing your own getty programs or a udev replacement integrated int he same project as your init, like systemd did
[04:40:36] <Gravis> Subsentient: no, it's not integrated, it's a completely seperate thing
[04:41:32] <Gravis> Subsentient: systemx is more than an init system. the init system is a part of it. each and every part can be used independantly of one another.
[04:41:55] <Subsentient> Gravis: At that point you might as well create your own entire userland
[04:42:10] <Gravis> Subsentient: if you only want to use the init system and service manager, you can install only those parts
[04:42:36] <Subsentient> Gravis: Why not keep those extra parts in separate projects?
[04:42:59] <Gravis> Subsentient: because people need to replace those parts in order to get rid of systemd
[04:43:35] <Gravis> Subsentient: they are their own projects but they are part of a larger project too
[04:43:46] <Gravis> modular but integrated
[04:44:55] <Gravis> Subsentient: think about UNIX System V, it wasn't just an init system
[04:45:06] <Gravis> Subsentient: system x is named after system v
[04:46:34] <Gravis> Subsentient: see: https://en.wikipedia.org
[04:46:35] <Cripple> ^ 03Wiki: UNIX System V
[04:47:22] <Subsentient> Gravis: The next letter after V is W, not X.
[04:47:22] <Gravis> Subsentient: and yes, eventually i would like it to have a userland too
[04:47:51] <Gravis> Subsentient: yeah but X is way cooler than W. :P
[04:48:16] <Gravis> Subsentient: it's also the next roman numeral
[04:48:33] <Gravis> couldn't call it IV or i would get sued
[04:49:45] <Gravis> err... VI
[04:50:36] <Gravis> it's not really related to system v, it's just named in it's honor.
[04:51:04] <Subsentient> Gravis: Go and pursue your dream of a complete userland, just don't do what poettering did, and make sure to acknowledge that what you have is intended to be a userland, not a userland pretending to be an init system
[04:51:27] <Subsentient> My mindset is I like most of the GNU userland just fine, and I don't want it 'broken' with compatibility.
[04:51:34] <Subsentient> So for me, I just like a good init system
[04:51:40] <Subsentient> that's where Epoch comes in
[04:52:06] <Gravis> Subsentient: well i'm making an init system and service manager as part of system x
[04:52:27] <Gravis> Subsentient: core utils is the last part really
[04:52:57] <Gravis> sticking with libmusl though. it's so good. :)
[04:53:26] <Subsentient> Gravis: musl is pretty dope
[04:54:09] <Gravis> libc++ is nice too. drops all the bullshit and sticks to standards
[04:54:09] <Bender> karma - libc: 1
[04:54:44] <Gravis> Subsentient: i don't know why you are against what i'm working on because it's what you keep saying you want
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[04:59:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bitcoin Price Soars Prior to Reward Halving - http://sylnt.us - funny-money
[05:22:14] <Gravis> apparently google thinks this is a "fallout 4 combat rifle" http://www.relatably.com
[05:22:52] <Subsentient> No, it's a gerbil.
[05:47:28] <SirFinkus> fuck english
[05:47:35] <SirFinkus> 1 more page and I'm done with this bullshit
[07:01:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Exercise May Be #1 Way to Prevent Dementia - http://sylnt.us - ounce-of-prevention
[07:20:13] <crutchy> SirFinkus, you studying english shit?
[07:29:25] <chromas> Yep. Language of the foreigners
[07:29:37] <chromas> In America we speak Spanish
[07:32:43] <Gravis> SirFinkus: yeah, fuck english! who needs it?!
[07:32:51] <Gravis> ;)
[07:44:12] <crutchy> to pass english you should have to write a dissertation about the movie 'snatch'
[07:44:37] <crutchy> otherwise its not real english
[08:32:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple’s ‘Differential Privacy’ is About Collecting Your Data—But Not Your Data - http://sylnt.us - knowing-but-not-knowing
[08:47:54] <chromas> from the what's-the-difference dept
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[10:16:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:16:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2673
[10:23:28] <crutchy> ~g'day TheMightyBuzzard
[10:23:30] * exec theoretically pours an array of spiders for TheMightyBuzzard
[10:23:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday crutchy
[10:23:43] * exec dexterously slides a plate of cookies to crutchy
[10:23:53] <crutchy> haha! i won! woohoo!
[10:24:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i get spiders, you get cookies. i think you cheated.
[10:24:05] <crutchy> :D
[10:24:41] <crutchy> as i was reading that i was like "hmm dextrously, not bad.. sliding a plate.. yeah ok.. oooh! cookies!!!!"
[10:29:07] <Gravis> LULZ for self hating tards: http://www.telegraph.co.uk
[10:29:08] <Cripple> ^ 03Orlando shooting: Gunman Omar Mateen 'was a regular at LGBT nightclub Pulse' and 'used gay dating apps'
[10:31:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, no wonder he lost it n went berserk. a gay muslim?
[10:32:24] <crutchy> but where's the AR-15! how can the gun grabbers blame the evil AR-15 if the damn shooter didn't use one!
[10:32:36] <crutchy> rewind and do it again
[10:32:43] <crutchy> get it right this time
[10:33:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hot Spring Death at Yellowstone Highlights Scofflaws Breaking Park Rules - http://sylnt.us - stay-behind-the-ropes
[10:35:36] <crutchy> from the earth's-crock-pot dept.
[10:39:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> more nicotine before i get down to some data entry i think. if i don't say screw it and play vidya.
[10:55:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i'm not feelin the data entry. vidya time. back later.
[10:58:18] <Gravis> ho damn that's detailed! https://upload.wikimedia.org
[10:58:18] <Cripple> ^ 03Linux Distribution Timeline
[11:00:23] <Gravis> that shit has to be generated
[11:01:01] <Gravis> or the person working on it is insane
[11:17:55] <Gravis> huh... so apparently this is/was a thing: http://knowyourmeme.com
[11:17:56] <Cripple> ^ 03Cat Breading | Know Your Meme
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[11:28:26] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:28:28] * exec problematically rubs ciri's butthole of signed integer overflow on TheMightyBuzzard
[11:28:40] <cmn32480> ~gday crutchjy
[11:28:41] * exec abnormally a blagoblag of 🖕 gives crutchjy
[11:28:44] <cmn32480> ~gday crutchy
[11:28:46] * exec diabolically hallucinates a 5¼" floppy disk of allah snackbar with crutchy
[11:37:26] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:37:26] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2674
[11:37:29] <Bytram> !uid
[11:37:29] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6258, owned by mschosting
[11:37:34] <cmn32480> yreesss
[11:37:40] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[11:37:41] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 58°F, mostly sunny, wind NW at 13 mph, humidity 60% - Tuesday sunny (60°F:77°F), Wednesday mostly sunny (60°F:82°F), Thursday mostly sunny (60°F:75°F), Friday partly cloudy (56°F:69°F)
[11:37:43] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[11:37:44] <cmn32480> coffee++
[11:37:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2675
[11:37:45] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 59°F, mostly cloudy, wind NW at 20 mph, humidity 60% - Tuesday partly cloudy (55°F:72°F), Wednesday mostly sunny (54°F:78°F), Thursday sunny (53°F:74°F), Friday partly cloudy (53°F:68°F)
[11:37:47] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[11:37:49] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 50°F, cloudy, wind NW at 15 mph, humidity 84% - Tuesday scattered showers (45°F:60°F), Wednesday mostly cloudy (45°F:64°F), Thursday partly cloudy (44°F:69°F), Friday partly cloudy (43°F:72°F)
[11:38:07] * Bytram is still waiting for summer
[11:38:16] <Bytram> ~weather rhiyad
[11:38:18] <exec> 10Riyadh Saudi Arabia - currently 102°F, mostly sunny, wind NW at 15 mph, humidity 6% - Tuesday sunny (78°F:103°F), Wednesday sunny (79°F:108°F), Thursday sunny (79°F:109°F), Friday sunny (79°F:108°F)
[11:38:37] <Bytram> ~weather new delhi
[11:38:38] <exec> 10New Delhi, Delhi, India - currently 95°F, haze, wind W at 9 mph, humidity 53% - Tuesday partly cloudy (83°F:98°F), Wednesday partly cloudy (81°F:98°F), Thursday isolated thunderstorms (79°F:101°F), Friday partly cloudy (83°F:104°F)
[11:38:44] <Bytram> weather death valley
[11:38:54] <Bytram> ~weather death valley
[11:38:55] <exec> 10Death Valley - currently 78°F, clear, wind E at 5 mph, humidity 25% - Tuesday sunny (73°F:105°F), Wednesday sunny (70°F:102°F), Thursday sunny (71°F:100°F), Friday sunny (72°F:100°F)
[11:39:15] <Bytram> nah, I think I'll stick with the current conditions for the time being!
[11:39:21] <Bytram> ~gday cmn32480
[11:39:23] * exec scientifically irritates a stocking of cheesy poofs with cmn32480
[11:39:35] <cmn32480> ~gday bytram
[11:39:37] * exec illegitimately terrorizes a zfs volume of onion dip with bytram
[11:39:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~weather nawab city
[11:39:41] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[11:39:55] <Bytram> cheesy poofs for the win!
[11:39:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> son of a...!
[11:40:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~weather Nawab City, Afghanistan
[11:40:11] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[11:40:12] <cmn32480> bytram - if we meet in the middle, we can has cheesy poofs and onion dip
[11:40:13] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: may need a state or country
[11:40:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~gday #Soylent
[11:40:30] <Bytram> poofy union cheese dip?
[11:40:32] * exec slowly spews your mom's bra, full of nasty, rotten burrito on #Soylent
[11:40:39] <cmn32480> ~gday AndyTheAbsurd
[11:40:41] * exec deliciously queefs a tablespoon of naval lint at AndyTheAbsurd
[11:40:42] <Bytram> s/u/o/
[11:40:42] <sedctl> <Bytram> poofy onion cheese dip?
[11:41:31] <Bytram> #weather Nawab City, Afghanistan
[11:41:31] <MrPlow> Unable to find weather for that location
[11:41:42] <cmn32480> must not ezxist
[11:41:42] <Bytram> https://www.wunderground.com
[11:41:43] <Cripple> ^ 03Nawab City, Afghanistan Forecast | Weather Underground
[11:42:33] <cmn32480> nope.. still think it doesn't exist if exec can't rfind it
[11:43:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> this bot finds it, but I don't have a running version at the moment: https://github.com
[11:43:08] <Cripple> ^ 03GitHub - MrEcho/SimpleJavaIRCBot
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[11:43:33] <AndyTheAbsurd> not sure if it ends up using wunderground or Yahoo for that one, though.
[11:43:57] <Bytram> ~weather garmsir
[11:43:59] <exec> 10Garmsir, Afghanistan - currently 109°F, sunny, wind W at 16 mph, humidity 8% - Tuesday clear (75°F:110°F), Wednesday cloudy (68°F:99°F), Thursday sunny (69°F:99°F), Friday sunny (75°F:101°F)
[11:44:18] <Bytram> ~weather lashkar gah
[11:44:20] <exec> 10Lashkar Gah, Afghanistan - currently 109°F, sunny, wind W at 16 mph, humidity 8% - Tuesday clear (74°F:110°F), Wednesday sunny (68°F:99°F), Thursday sunny (69°F:98°F), Friday sunny (74°F:100°F)
[11:44:25] <AndyTheAbsurd> that's fucking hot.
[11:44:37] <cmn32480> but it's a dry heat
[11:44:38] <Bytram> that may be too hot to f..k
[11:45:05] <n1> cmn32480, that makes it better?
[11:45:16] <cmn32480> no humidity... so not really
[11:46:06] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'd rather be in a desert at 100 degrees than a swamp at 90 degrees. Of course, I've lived in a swamp for almost fourteen years now...
[11:46:10] <n1> i personally find real hot weather pretty difficult regardless of humidity levels
[11:46:22] <n1> spending 2 weeks in Vegas at the height of summer told me that
[11:46:38] <boru> What's the UV index like there?
[11:48:22] * cmn32480 takes the first bite of the elephant that is his inbox
[11:48:45] <n1> i'm dreading opening an email
[11:49:01] * cmn32480 forgets to chew...
[11:49:15] <n1> i have an "official response from the R&D department" which can't be good news.
[11:49:22] * cmn32480 chokes, keels over and deletes his inbox as his head hits the keyboard
[11:50:07] * Bytram watches in amazement as cmn32480's mouse jumps over, performs the Heimlich maneuver, and resuscitates cmn32480
[12:00:05] * Bytram needs to get started on getting started on his day...
[12:00:10] <Bytram> biab afk
[12:04:54] <cmn32480> TheMightyBuzzard - 2 minutes and a getway timeoug error... WTF?
[12:05:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Channels Go Dark for Millions of Dish Customers - http://sylnt.us - playing-with-the-suscribers
[12:05:13] <cmn32480> was trying to get here: https://soylentnews.org
[12:05:18] <Cripple> ^ 03SN article: Islamic Terrorist Opens Fire on Florida Nightclub; 50 Killed, 53 Wounded 04(402 comments) ( https://soylentnews.org )
[12:28:38] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[12:28:38] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[12:29:00] <crutchy> ~gday >beverage poofy onion cheese dip
[12:29:01] <exec> added to beverages
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[12:29:37] <crutchy> ah oh
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[12:29:41] <crutchy> i killed it
[12:29:59] <boru> Poofy onion cheese dip would kill anything.
[12:30:10] <crutchy> ~blame
[12:30:11] * exec points at Bytram
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[12:36:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, nothing to be done about it using threaded mode. switch to flat or add &mode=flat&commentsort=5&op=Change to the end of the url.
[12:37:35] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: FWIW, I use "Display Mode: Nested" and it loaded within about 10 seconds
[12:37:48] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[12:37:50] * exec covertly hucks an assfull of stahhhp! at TheMightyBuzzard
[12:38:05] <Bytram> and me scurries off to get ready for the day
[12:38:05] <Bytram> afk
[12:38:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nested, eh?
[12:39:12] zz_janrinok is now known as janrinok
[12:39:34] <janrinok> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[12:39:36] * exec fanatically experiences a sweaty armpit of pocket rocket with TheMightyBuzzard
[12:40:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, sure nuff. ima hafta go through nested's code and adapt it to improved threaded. it's much, much faster.
[12:45:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, anyway, it appears to be loading now in improved threaded, if very slowly. just increased the timeout on the proxy.
[12:46:45] <cmn32480> understood
[12:46:48] <cmn32480> ~blame
[12:46:49] * exec points at Bytram
[12:47:03] <janrinok> ~gday cmn32480
[12:47:05] * exec defiantly spews a stocking of silver coins on cmn32480
[12:47:13] <cmn32480> ~gday janrion
[12:47:15] * exec single-handedly pesters a udf volume of logical fallacies with janrion
[12:47:19] <cmn32480> ~gday janrinok
[12:47:20] * exec illegitimately hurls a cheap plastic cup of degradation at janrinok
[12:47:26] <janrinok> close enough ...
[12:47:32] <crutchy> noticed we got arthur back :)
[12:47:45] <crutchy> cmn32480++
[12:47:45] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 61
[12:47:49] <janrinok> yep - I'm working on it at the moment
[12:47:57] <crutchy> janrinok++ # python wrangler
[12:47:57] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 35
[12:48:24] <janrinok> ~hi crutchy
[12:48:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> cmn32480, it also helps if you set "Comment Limit" to like 10 in preferences
[12:48:37] <crutchy> janrinok, Bytram was asking about the source code for arthur
[12:48:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's ten root level comments not ten comments.
[12:49:08] <cmn32480> gotcha
[12:49:10] <crutchy> i got a zipped copy from cmn32480 but i thought maybe you would be better to send a copy to Bytram
[12:49:14] <cmn32480> changed to nesterd and it loaded fine
[12:49:27] <cmn32480> so he can break it worse?
[12:49:30] <crutchy> lol
[12:49:38] <crutchy> worse... or better :D
[12:49:54] <crutchy> we like to break things better around here
[12:50:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, i should do up a Meta post about this.
[12:50:10] <cmn32480> and we are VERY good at it
[12:50:23] <crutchy> its good to have minimum standards for breaking stuff
[12:50:46] <janrinok> just zipping a copy of the latest Arthur for Marty
[12:50:55] <cmn32480> send to me as well,please?
[12:51:03] <cmn32480> I'll update the code that exec runs
[12:51:17] <janrinok> I think yours is fairly good, but I'll send you another just in case
[12:51:36] <cmn32480> you wrote it.. I don't know if it is good bad or indifferent
[12:51:41] <crutchy> :)
[12:51:51] <janrinok> the jump from 0.0.1f to 0.1.0a is really academic
[12:52:07] <cmn32480> ran out of hex?
[12:52:14] <janrinok> lol
[12:52:20] <crutchy> its a whole bitshift better
[12:52:44] <crutchy> we like our 1's towards the left
[12:52:59] <cmn32480> better our ones then our politicsd
[12:53:09] <janrinok> it was really a result of my git set-up rather than content. I had to change local repos and it just made things cleaner
[12:53:23] <crutchy> just don't add 'vista' to the version number and everything will be ok
[12:53:51] <janrinok> I thought I'd jump to version 10 and add telemetry :)
[12:53:56] <crutchy> lol
[12:54:19] <crutchy> cmn32480, i'm not sure about this cleaning thing. that might totally confuse exec
[12:54:31] <boru> `politicsd` sounds like a new Linux feature.
[12:54:55] <cmn32480> cleaning thing?
[12:55:13] <crutchy> janrinok is tidying up arthur. that might cause exec to blow up
[12:55:23] <cmn32480> well.. yeah
[12:55:30] <crutchy> i think it survives on chaos and madness
[12:55:45] <janrinok> my software should fit in well then ...
[12:55:46] <cmn32480> we are prolly ok as long as we don't tidy up exec proper... arthur is just a script after all
[12:56:07] <janrinok> just a script?! JUST A FUCKING SCRIPT?!
[12:56:28] <crutchy> shots fired
[12:56:38] <cmn32480> sorry.. just a pile of spaghetti scirpts that interlace like a basket woven by a small cub sout
[12:56:38] * crutchy hides in his safe space
[12:56:40] <janrinok> it is a finely crafted, well designed, piece of crap if you don't mind!
[12:56:52] <crutchy> janrinok, hey i resemble that!
[12:57:34] * cmn32480 is beginning to wonder if crutchy and janrinok went to the same programming school "Toss Shit Against the Wall U"
[12:57:53] <crutchy> cmn32480, its very tough to get into
[12:57:57] <crutchy> only the best
[12:58:01] <n1> even tougher to get out of
[12:58:15] <crutchy> that too
[12:58:17] <janrinok> ~gday nick
[12:58:18] * exec unnecessarily $action a slice of whoopass $preposition nick
[12:58:41] <janrinok> ooh, I $action'ed your $preposition
[12:58:42] <n1> ahoy
[12:59:03] * crutchy wonders if that was a bug or chromas trolling me :p
[12:59:09] <crutchy> ~g'day <list>
[12:59:13] <exec> http://ix.io
[12:59:20] * cmn32480 bets on chromas
[12:59:32] <crutchy> lol
[12:59:38] <crutchy> you win
[12:59:46] <janrinok> looks like good data to me - but what do I know
[12:59:49] <cmn32480> show of hands... who is surprised?
[13:00:04] * cmn32480 sees everybody sitting on their fingers
[13:00:05] <crutchy> *tumbleweeds roll through*
[13:01:02] <janrinok> ~gday boru - I missed your quip above... sry
[13:01:04] * exec presumably refactors a truckload of 🕷 for boru
[13:01:52] <janrinok> ooh, I haven't got that character - now I might never know what is was a truckload of
[13:02:07] <crutchy> you got a truckload of lego
[13:03:19] <cmn32480> looked like spiders
[13:03:22] <boru> A truckload of what?!
[13:03:43] <janrinok> don't ask me - I've got scribble on my screen
[13:04:01] <boru> I have a box. I'm okay with a truckload of boxes.
[13:04:11] <cmn32480> you are supposed to sue the keyboard, not a sharpie janrinok
[13:04:51] <janrinok> didn't say that in my instructions when I bought this heap of crap ....
[13:05:07] <_NSAKEY> How do you sue a keyboard? Wouldn't a judge laugh that one out of court, even with America's justice system?
[13:05:11] <crutchy> hire a good lawyer. keyboards are hard to sue
[13:05:36] <janrinok> I'll see if Thiel will help fund me
[13:05:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> some edity type wanna proofread this and get it out for me? https://soylentnews.org
[13:05:54] <Cripple> ^ 03SN Submission by The Mighty Buzzard: Meta: Heavily Commented Page Load Times
[13:05:59] <_NSAKEY> That's about the only option you've got, since Johnnie Cochran is no longer with us.
[13:06:10] <cmn32480> not really TheMightyBuzzard
[13:06:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake cmn32480
[13:06:17] * MrPlow smakes cmn32480 upside the head with a 988
[13:06:18] <crutchy> ~time
[13:06:22] <exec> Tuesday, 14 June 2016 @ 11:06 pm GMT+10 - Traralgon VIC
[13:06:23] <janrinok> I'll have a laugh at it first :)
[13:06:30] <crutchy> i gotta go to bed
[13:06:46] <crutchy> ~g'night folks
[13:06:48] * exec insensitively generates a small script that substitutes a sweaty armpit of hold music for folks
[13:06:56] <crutchy> o.O
[13:07:03] <cmn32480> ~gnight crutchy
[13:07:05] * exec unjustifiably pisses an easter basket of com objects on crutchy
[13:07:06] <janrinok> ~gnight crutchy
[13:07:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> improvement there
[13:07:09] * exec proverbially penetrates a pit of a jar jar with crutchy
[13:07:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> hold music > people cause hold music never drinks the last of the coffee/booze
[13:07:46] <janrinok> ... when it eventually logs me in
[13:07:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[13:07:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[13:07:50] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 62
[13:08:18] <janrinok> the slowing down is spreading - I'm only trying to log in
[13:08:49] <cmn32480> ~blame TheMightyBuzzard
[13:08:50] * exec points at Bytram
[13:09:57] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard, it looks ok. Do you want me to release it?
[13:10:24] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[13:10:25] <Cripple> ^ 03Does tapping a can of fizzy drink really stop it foaming over?
[13:10:34] <janrinok> ~gday Bytram
[13:10:36] * exec insatiably pisses a C cup of false hope on Bytram
[13:10:44] <janrinok> win!
[13:11:16] <Bytram> ~gday janrinok
[13:11:18] * exec covertly sodomizes a cloud of sweet tapioca with janrinok
[13:11:59] <janrinok> how's things Bytram ?
[13:12:42] <Bytram> ok, trying to get ready to head out the door and go to work
[13:12:42] <Bytram> you?
[13:13:30] <Bytram> I've noticed you've been able to push out some stories lately as well as do some 2nding..
[13:13:42] <Bytram> must mean that things are more under control -- YAY!
[13:14:05] <Bytram> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[13:14:05] <Cripple> ^ 03Forget Game of Thrones as Android ransomware infects TVs • The Register
[13:15:38] <Bytram> ok really gtg
[13:15:48] <Bytram> ~gnight #soylent
[13:15:50] * exec flatulantly a sweaty armpit of jingly keys gives #soylent
[13:15:54] <janrinok> cmn32480, Bytram - I've created a new user 'Arthur T Knackerbracket' - I'll send you his pw via email. I'm just experimenting with my program and a user id. It also keeps a count of the number of stories that are subbed and accepted.
[13:16:01] <janrinok> ~gnight Bytram
[13:16:03] * exec scientifically throws a udf volume of medium salsa at Bytram
[13:16:15] <Bytram> janrinok++
[13:16:15] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 36
[13:16:18] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: FYI: http://www.theregister.co.uk
[13:16:18] <cmn32480> hmmmm
[13:16:19] <Cripple> ^ 03Let's Encrypt lets 7,600 users... see each other's email addresses • The Register
[13:16:27] <cmn32480> how is that gonna work from exec I wonder
[13:16:48] * janrinok gives evil grin to cmn32480
[13:17:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram|away, saw that. not worth a lot really. we'd be using admin@SN anyway.
[13:17:22] <cmn32480> janrinok - you are aware of how we are using him, right?
[13:17:24] <Bytram|away> kthanks!
[13:17:30] <Bytram|away> better safe than sorry
[13:17:48] <cmn32480> arthur runs, at some specified interval.
[13:18:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, ya, push that critter live if ya would.
[13:18:20] <cmn32480> it then rewrites a page on the wiki with the titles and links to the stories.
[13:18:26] <cmn32480> ~storybot
[13:18:36] <cmn32480> ~arthur help
[13:18:42] <exec> story not found
[13:18:52] <cmn32480> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[13:18:52] <Cripple> ^✓ 03Wiki: Storybot
[13:19:10] <cmn32480> from IRC, the story ID can then be subbed
[13:20:12] <janrinok> cmn32480, I know the rough details, but I've not seen how you initiate it from the command line. But using the USERID is an option - not a default
[13:23:55] <janrinok> cmn32480, thanks for that link - I hadn't seen any of that before :)
[13:25:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, muchos grassy-ass, me amoeba
[13:27:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh bleh, i know why nested was running faster. it paginates on total comments shown rather than root-level comments like the Threaded modes do.
[13:27:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> no actual speedup per amount of comments shown.
[13:30:01] <Gravis> people that are stereotyped as having certain bad behaviors should make a concerted effort to not reinforce those stereotypes
[13:32:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, so yer saying black folks shouldn't sell drugs while on welfare? you racist bastard!
[13:34:36] <n1> Gravis, depends, i'm not going, or should have to to conform to peoples standards because of their shallow view or perception of me based on broad stereotypes
[13:36:14] <janrinok> cmn32480, do you want me to separate the story processing and story identification aspects of storybot - it looks like you are only using about 20% of storybot's processing for the links on the wiki.
[13:36:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Meta: Heavily Commented Page Load Times - http://sylnt.us - like-maple-syrup || Qatar Convicts Dutch Woman Held 'After Being Raped' - http://sylnt.us - wait...-what??
[13:36:39] <cmn32480> <blink> <blink>
[13:36:42] <cmn32480> huh?
[13:36:42] <janrinok> it would be easily done, and I could make the exec version stand-alone
[13:36:56] * cmn32480 has nfi what janrinok means
[13:37:10] <janrinok> well you don't link to the full processed story, only the title and a very short summary
[13:38:24] <cmn32480> the link on the wiki takes me to the story on the original site.
[13:38:28] * cmn32480 is confused
[13:39:44] <janrinok> yes, but the submission that reaches the sub list, only contains a very short summary and a link to the original source. Storybot has already done a lot more processing than that.
[13:40:05] * cmn32480 goes to look
[13:40:23] <cmn32480> you mean like this one?
[13:40:25] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[13:40:26] <Cripple> ^ 03SN Submission by exec: Stock prices of gun companies rise following Orlando massacre
[13:41:22] <janrinok> exactly - storybot has already extracted the story and included other links
[13:41:34] <cmn32480> that is exec's native ~submit function
[13:41:50] <cmn32480> ~arthur ed0ee1
[13:41:54] <exec> attempting to submit story: "2,000-year-old hunk of butter might still be edible"
[13:42:02] <cmn32480> look at that one in the sub list
[13:42:11] <cmn32480> oncve it gets there
[13:42:25] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[13:43:00] <cmn32480> that story happens to be short... but you see the end result?
[13:43:13] <cmn32480> exedc is actually subbmitting the whoel frle from Arthur
[13:43:47] <janrinok> I've never seen that before - all the one's I've edited from exec have been a short summary and a link. It is like doing the whole thing from scratch
[13:43:54] <cmn32480> agreed
[13:44:11] <cmn32480> but I don't know that we have a way of pulling a single link inot arthur for submission
[13:44:18] <cmn32480> crutchy ^^^^^
[13:44:38] <cmn32480> I completly agree janrinok
[13:44:44] <janrinok> OK, I'll give that some thought too
[13:45:08] <cmn32480> probably has to be given some thoguht on the exec side as well
[13:45:38] <janrinok> you hang fire on your bit - I can have a look at the possibilities and let you choose whether any of them are of use
[13:47:03] <cmn32480> hang fire on my bit?
[13:47:10] <cmn32480> is taht some kind of brit expression?
[13:47:19] <cmn32480> or are you taking my typoing classes again?
[13:50:29] <Gravis> n1: that's fine, just don't almost run into my truck while i'm pulling out of a parking spot at 0.1 MPH while being an old asian lady
[13:51:40] <Gravis> i was like the only other moving car in the lot too
[13:53:19] <n1> i had an old white man pull out infront of me doing 1mph while i was on a very busy roundabout earlier.
[13:53:23] <n1> was seriously not impressed
[13:53:42] <n1> i had to stop, he panicked
[13:55:07] <janrinok> cmn32480, it means 'don't do anything'
[13:57:06] <cmn32480> 10-4
[14:25:03] <Runaway1956> Follow up on the story yesterday, "Islamist slogans reported as man kills police officer "
[14:25:13] <Runaway1956> #submit http://www.foxnews.com
[14:25:14] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[14:25:39] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[14:25:39] <Cripple> ^✓ 03SoylentNews Submissions ( https://soylentnews.org )
[14:26:59] <Runaway1956> cmn32480 - you're not making any points!
[14:27:27] <Runaway1956> but, don't feel bad - no one else is either - one (or more) of the servers are down.
[14:28:38] <Runaway1956> And, it looks like TeamLarry is going to pass our team when the results are updated .
[14:31:54] <Runaway1956> Wow - 488 comments on the nightclub shooting. No way am I going to try to digest them all.
[14:35:15] <boru> It's probably the usual weary rhetoric.
[14:35:58] <n1> i've only skimmed it
[14:36:15] <n1> there's not much to be said as far as i can see
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[14:50:35] <cmn32480> Runaway1956 - checking
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[14:53:31] <Runaway1956> Checking on me?
[14:53:47] <Runaway1956> Oh - no - read my "but" statement
[14:54:16] <Runaway1956> No one has been credited any points since midnight - no one, not even the lead teams cmn32480
[14:55:10] * Runaway1956 installed the newest nVidia driver on the Windows machine yesterday -
[14:55:21] <Runaway1956> not seeing much difference, really
[14:56:22] <janrinok> Runaway1956, did you expect a big difference?
[14:56:55] <Runaway1956> TBH janrinok - I didn't "expect" a big difference, but from time to time, one is pleasantly surprised
[14:57:10] <janrinok> true, one can always be optimistic :)
[14:57:21] <Runaway1956> Like updating kernels - there is seldom any great gain, but now and then, somthing just clicks
[14:58:01] <Runaway1956> One of the 4.something kernels really helped my machines - think is was 4.2.something or other
[14:58:04] <janrinok> perhaps your previous driver was doing everything it should, or your software can't take advantage of the changes
[14:58:39] <Runaway1956> That is possible - I've never attempted any ovreclocking,
[14:59:06] <Runaway1956> Without making benchmarks, any gains are probably invisible anyway
[14:59:31] <janrinok> probably fixed a few bugs that maybe you hadn't seen
[15:00:09] <Runaway1956> Yeah, maybe I'll see fewer failed work units from FoldingAtHome - stability means a lot on any platform
[15:00:19] <janrinok> As I'm not a gamer, I rarely need to change away from anything but the basic drivers
[15:00:35] <janrinok> Ah, ok, I hadn't thought of using the GPU for FAH
[15:00:42] <Runaway1956> Neither am I a gamer
[15:00:56] <janrinok> I just dedicate a few cores on my server, and let it get on with it
[15:01:03] <Runaway1956> If you have a suitable GPU, you should use it. 4/5 of all my points come from that one GPU
[15:01:49] <janrinok> I only ever use the built-in on-board graphics
[15:01:55] <Runaway1956> I have three GTX 730 GPU's each get about 10k per day, that 780TI gets 200k all by itself
[15:02:49] <Runaway1956> My two hex-core Opterons get about 25k
[15:03:31] <Runaway1956> Obsolete dual core Opty gets about 500 points per day
[15:04:00] <Runaway1956> away for a few minutes . . .
[15:05:30] janrinok is now known as janrinok_afk
[15:06:22] <SirFinkus> HAHAHAHAHA
[15:06:25] <SirFinkus> school email
[15:06:52] <SirFinkus> letting us know if we "need support" after the orlando thing, there's counseling and shit
[15:07:06] <SirFinkus> they posted this poem on the email http://pastebin.com
[15:07:12] <Cripple> ^ 03An Ally's Promise By Anthony D'Angelo I Believe I believe success i - Pastebin.com
[15:07:23] <SirFinkus> "I believe nobody is wrong; they are only different."
[15:07:38] <SirFinkus> so I guess slaughtering 50 innocent people isn't wrong, it's just "different"
[15:07:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> ^ that.
[15:07:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> Motherfucker pulling the trigger was *definitely* wrong.
[15:08:12] <SirFinkus> naw dude, he's just different
[15:10:00] <SirFinkus> fucking madness
[15:10:13] <SirFinkus> batshit insanity
[15:12:25] <SirFinkus> they do have tea in the diversity and equity center though
[15:12:28] <SirFinkus> I should visit
[15:13:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> do they also have scones? If they have tea *and* scones, you should definitely visit.
[15:13:33] <SirFinkus> no mention of scones
[15:13:42] <SirFinkus> support for muslim students though
[15:13:56] <SirFinkus> I'm sure all out saudi exchange students are despondent
[15:37:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Novel Material Can Conduct Magnetic Waves on Edge, but Not in its Bulk - http://sylnt.us - playing-with-new-toys
[15:49:34] <chromas> ooh, diversi-tea
[15:54:54] <Runaway1956> I have a diverse tree out back - I didn't know you could make tea from it
[15:55:04] <Runaway1956> does it taste like sassafras tea?
[15:56:59] <Runaway1956> Lone wolves, wolf dens - why do they compare terrorists to wolves? Wolves have some nobility - terrorists are more like skunks or pigs.
[16:00:41] <Runaway1956> Heh -
[16:00:45] <Runaway1956> Back in 1973, some relatives refused to claim the bodies of their gay sons, banishing them to potter’s fields and the New Orleans community joked that the ashes of the dead would be buried in “fruit jars.”
[16:00:47] <n1_> wolves are supposed to be scary?
[16:01:06] <Runaway1956> I guess if you're in the media, wolves are scary
[16:01:34] <Runaway1956> From what I understand, European wolves are somewhat scary, but I can't vouch for that
[16:01:58] <Runaway1956> In America? Phhht - not one documented case that I know of, of wolves attacking man.
[16:02:00] <n1_> wolves are dangerous predators with a certain mystique, pigs are bacon.
[16:03:05] <Runaway1956> Pigs are scary - if you ever get cornered by wild pigs, you better be fast climbing a tree
[16:03:23] <n1_> when you mentioned it, i thought about the scene from the movie snatch
[16:04:09] <Runaway1956> A single old boar can tear a person up in no time at all - or a sow with piglets - half a dozen small pigs will do a man in
[16:04:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> wolves should be damned scary. they're faster than you, have a mouth full of sharp teeth in extremely strong jaws, are highly efficient pack hunters, and can see better than you in the dark.
[16:05:12] <Runaway1956> wolves don't prey on man though - pigs prey on anything
[16:05:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> cars, guns, and tree climbing are pretty much all we have on wolves.
[16:05:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, they don't NOW, no. those that did didn't get a chance to reproduce and evolution got its thang on.
[16:06:37] <Runaway1956> Thus, my earlier statement - as I understand things, European wolves will take the opportunity to kill a human and eat him
[16:06:49] <Runaway1956> American wolves? No.
[16:06:51] <n1_> according to the wiki, a couple of people in north america have been killed in recent years
[16:07:05] <Runaway1956> Got a link, please?
[16:07:20] <n1_> https://en.wikipedia.org
[16:07:20] <Cripple> ^ 03Wiki: Wolf attacks on humans ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[16:07:34] <Runaway1956> thank you . . .
[16:07:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, be out alone in the woods while they're hunting and you'd better try real hard not to look vulnerable.
[16:07:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'all i'm saying.
[16:08:11] <Runaway1956> looking vulnerable is an important part of becoming prey with any species
[16:08:40] <n1_> can't say i'd be excited to meet some wolves of an evening when camping alone
[16:08:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, but it's pretty difficult to not look vulnerable when there's 20 of them and one of you.
[16:09:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> truthfully though, they mostly eat game smaller than themselves. the risk/reward ratio's better.
[16:11:09] <Runaway1956> Hmmmm - the Icy Bay incident does point up one of my own biases. A grown man is far less vulnerable than a six year old child . . .
[16:11:26] <Runaway1956> Only a fool would leave their children out for the wolves to take
[16:12:41] <n1_> maybe they thought the wolves had a better shot at raising the kid
[16:13:24] <Runaway1956> To much Jungle Story bedtime reading?
[16:16:04] <n1_> a more traditional upbringing than the entitled domesticated dogs of today
[16:22:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, you're saying all dogs would vote democrat?
[16:23:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> or just the non-wild ones?
[16:24:34] <Runaway1956> Good wiki article on North American wolf attacks - a lot more than I thought - https://en.wikipedia.org
[16:24:35] <Cripple> ^ 03Wiki: List of wolf attacks in North America
[16:27:47] <n1_> probably not, but they're at least happy to take the gov't pay
[16:32:08] <n1_> i tried to sort that page by date, didn't work...
[16:38:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Assange: Wikileaks Will Publish ‘Enough Evidence’ to Indict Hillary Clinton - http://sylnt.us - flying-pigs-to-be-confirmed-concurrently
[16:52:21] <Runaway1956> Jerusalemites - are those anything like chiggers?
[16:52:46] <Runaway1956> http://www.jpost.com
[16:52:50] <Cripple> ^ 03Jerusalemites divided on whether Clinton or Trump would more effectively wage war on terror - Israel News - Jerusalem Post
[16:53:10] <Runaway1956> Must be an old testament plague that I forgot about.
[16:55:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> ....I'm not sure I could answer that question.
[16:55:47] <Runaway1956> Well, I'm sure! I'm sure that I can't answer it either.
[16:56:24] <Runaway1956> Must be bed time - I fell like I'm getting goofy . . . .
[16:56:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm pretty sure that Clinton would do awful things to areas that support/harbor terrorists simply to satisfy her war-pig masters. But I can't be sure what Trump would do. His rhetoric is strong but I wonder how much of it is bluster to get him into the White House before he starts simply doing whatever the fuck he wants.
[16:57:28] <Runaway1956> hmmmmmm
[17:01:10] <Runaway1956> I kinda like Azuma Hazuki - he/she is consistent. Acts 26:14
[17:52:35] <Runaway1956> ~g'night soylentils
[17:52:37] * exec mistakenly generates a small script that substitutes an amulet of sammiches for soylentils
[18:09:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Gut Microbes are Making us Fat - http://sylnt.us - don't-blame-the-flying-pig-bacon
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[18:53:58] <cmn32480> coffee++
[18:53:58] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2676
[19:36:46] <Gravis> holy fuck: http://images.linoxide.com
[19:45:54] <AndyTheAbsurd> that image does *not* need to be 2550 pixels wide.
[20:09:26] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: image size accurately represents how absurdly large systemd is
[20:11:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - In Pollution Crackdown, Paris to Ban Older-Model Cars - http://sylnt.us - crying-for-our-junkers
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[21:27:23] <SirFinkus> fucking DONE with english
[21:28:35] * Deucalion feels mildly offended and leaves :(
[21:34:50] <cmn32480> I think he meant the language, not the people Deucalion
[21:34:51] <Gravis> SirFinkus: yeah, fuck english!
[21:35:06] <SirFinkus> fo sho
[21:35:07] <Gravis> it's soooo not practical
[21:35:17] <Gravis> you'll never use it outside of school!
[21:35:31] <cmn32480> pero, es possiblemente que la puta tiene problems en su cabeza
[21:35:31] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:35:31] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2677
[21:35:51] <Gravis> cmn32480: que?
[21:36:00] <cmn32480> no se nada
[21:36:04] <crutchy> lukewarm_shower--
[21:36:04] <Bender> karma - lukewarm_shower: -1
[21:36:13] <Gravis> cmn32480: que?
[21:36:26] <cmn32480> comc?
[21:36:30] <cmn32480> como?
[21:36:36] <Gravis> cmn32480: que?
[21:36:46] <cmn32480> si, Gravis?
[21:36:51] <crutchy> lol
[21:36:52] <Gravis> cmn32480: que?
[21:37:04] <cmn32480> Gravis: que?
[21:37:31] <cmn32480> you asking for a translation?
[21:37:32] <SirFinkus> I will, but I was already at the level where I could have gotten by without it
[21:37:36] * crutchy just spells it 'ke'
[21:38:09] <Gravis> cmn32480: it's a joke. you always act like you don't understand spanish. :P
[21:38:10] <SirFinkus> after peer reviewing and having my essays peer reviewed, it's clear that a lot of people *do* need the class though
[21:38:14] <SirFinkus> jesus christ
[21:38:17] <crutchy> but really, 'wtf' has no more letters
[21:38:24] <crutchy> than que
[21:38:37] <crutchy> or wat
[21:38:46] <SirFinkus> I had to explain to the person peer reviewing what "incentive" means, and she said I was using too many fancy words like that
[21:38:48] <crutchy> ~translate que
[21:38:50] <exec> [google] que (auto -> en): what
[21:38:51] <Gravis> SirFinkus: you should cut jesus a break. he came to this country to work.
[21:38:59] <crutchy> praise jebus!
[21:39:05] <Gravis> ;)
[21:39:24] <cmn32480> ~translate pero, es possiblemente que la puta tiene problems en su cabeza
[21:39:25] <exec> [google] pero, es possiblemente que la puta tiene problems en su cabeza (auto -> en): but is possiblemente that the bitch has problems in his head
[21:39:33] <Gravis> cmn32480: que?
[21:39:41] <cmn32480> si, que?
[21:39:56] <Gravis> cmn32480: que?
[21:40:24] <crutchy> cmn32480, apparently that's the only spanish he knows
[21:40:31] <cmn32480> obviously
[21:40:37] <Gravis> :)
[21:41:00] <crutchy> ~translate-sl se en toilet
[21:41:06] <crutchy> derp
[21:41:10] <crutchy> ~translate-sl es en toilet
[21:41:14] <crutchy> hmm
[21:41:25] <crutchy> need to rtfsc on that one
[21:42:24] <Gravis> hmm... rollerblading is making my calves super wide when flexed.
[21:42:25] <cmn32480> cscroll crutchy, there is a conversation that happened between me and janrinok bout having arthur be able to be a part of the actual submit command from exec
[21:42:27] <cmn32480> not sure if you were awake for that or not
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[21:42:53] <crutchy> mkay
[21:43:24] <crutchy> sounds like a plan
[21:43:28] <crutchy> i think
[21:43:31] <Gravis> just realized it now exceeds the width of my knee by a lot
[21:43:48] <crutchy> is rollerblading still a thing?
[21:43:59] * crutchy must be getting old
[21:44:22] * cmn32480 welcomes crutchy to the club
[21:44:34] <cmn32480> our meetings are every other Thursday...
[21:44:41] <cmn32480> this week is your turn to bring the snack and beer
[21:44:58] <crutchy> cmn32480, when you say 'part of' you mean make ~submit pass a url to arthur to process, then submit the arthur file for that url?
[21:45:07] <cmn32480> yep
[21:45:30] <crutchy> hmm. can arthur accept a url on its own?
[21:45:41] <cmn32480> it'd give the editors a hella lot mroe to work with than the link and a one line summary
[21:45:49] <cmn32480> unknown.
[21:46:08] <cmn32480> JR was going to rtfsc and see what he coudl come up w/
[21:46:09] <crutchy> exec can work around arthur however you need
[21:46:55] <cmn32480> I think the issue is mostly getting Arthur to take the URL'
[21:47:04] <crutchy> mkay yeah
[21:47:16] <crutchy> easy way would probably as a command line arg
[21:47:28] <cmn32480> to get exec to pass the data to him is (I think) pretty easy
[21:47:34] <crutchy> but other options include file or stdin
[21:47:42] <crutchy> yeah
[21:47:58] <crutchy> python should be able to do anything that php can
[21:48:18] <crutchy> so reading command line args should be piece of cake
[21:48:30] * cmn32480 nod like he has half a clue
[21:49:06] <crutchy> alternatively if jr is a code masochist like me he could opt for accessing exec's bucket system :p
[21:49:26] <crutchy> actually it wouldn't be very masochistic
[21:49:32] <crutchy> its just stdin and stdout
[21:49:42] <cmn32480> sure... plot to kill him outright.... this channel is logged for Jebus' sake!
[21:49:47] <crutchy> lol
[21:51:02] <crutchy> to send a command to exec, the python script just prefixes stdout with /BUCKET_GET or something like that, and then waits for stdin to be written to
[21:51:09] <cmn32480> it was an idea.. nothign that we'd need to run w/ today
[21:51:42] <cmn32480> but an interesting idea nonetheless
[21:51:52] <crutchy> easiest thing is probably picking up the url from a command line arg and then writing a file as per usual
[21:52:42] <crutchy> maybe if the script outputs the filename in its stdout might make it a bit easier
[21:53:01] <crutchy> for exec to figure out what file to read
[21:53:10] <chromas> You're doing it all wrong
[21:53:17] <cmn32480> we know.
[21:53:23] <cmn32480> we'll hold it the other way later
[21:53:28] <crutchy> that means we're doing it the fun way :D
[21:53:31] <chromas> Make arthur take a socket and use systemd socket activation
[21:53:36] <crutchy> haha
[21:53:50] <chromas> systemctl enable arthur.socket
[21:54:11] <cmn32480> first exec is working around arthur
[21:54:16] <cmn32480> now his socket is open...
[21:54:26] <cmn32480> did I log into the pron channel by accidenty?
[21:54:28] * chromas touches it lightly
[21:54:40] <chromas> sure, 'accidentally'
[21:54:51] <cmn32480> quit being a tease chromas
[21:54:53] <chromas> hm, my spellcheck's off again
[21:54:58] <crutchy> then pass to an azure server to run through .net buttmagic (will make it smell nicer) and then read the resulting smell through JS with internet explorer via windows 10 telemetry
[21:55:18] <cmn32480> think we can work some VB6 in ther too?
[21:55:34] <crutchy> cmn32480 has been watching too much jarjar binks
[21:55:46] <crutchy> it cant be an accidenty
[21:55:48] <chromas> is VB6 multicloudscale?
[21:55:53] <cmn32480> he was the best character in that movie
[21:56:15] <cmn32480> JAR JAR RULES!
[21:56:52] * crutchy knows the feeling of getting his tongue stuck in a dangerous mechanism
[21:56:57] <crutchy> you end up with 2 kids
[21:57:08] <chromas> if he'd come out as the sith yoda like the internet demands
[21:59:35] <cmn32480> a;; right
[21:59:36] <cmn32480> I'm done.
[21:59:41] <cmn32480> YOu kids have a good night
[21:59:44] <cmn32480> I'll be back later
[21:59:50] <cmn32480> time to go home
[21:59:52] <crutchy> cya cmn32480 o/
[21:59:59] <cmn32480> ~gday crutchy
[21:59:59] <crutchy> i gotta head off to work soon :(
[22:00:01] * exec $adverb gives birth to a snatched purse full of windows 95 for crutchy
[22:00:03] <cmn32480> have a good day at workipoos
[22:00:08] <crutchy> heh
[22:00:11] <crutchy> thanks
[22:00:17] <cmn32480> chromas trolling yet aGAIN
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[23:05:30] <Gravis> oh man, the Great British Pound has taken a serious decline. not long ago it was 2.1 USD and how it's like 1.6 USD!
[23:06:55] <Gravis> USD and the Euro used to be interchangable and then USD took a dive and the Euro was way more... until the Euro took a dive too.
[23:07:03] <Gravis> currency issues. *sigh*
[23:13:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Can A Corner of the Internet Be Made Safe From Trolls? - http://sylnt.us - needing-our-internet-safe-space
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[23:40:53] <takyon> http://www.npr.org
[23:40:53] <Cripple> ^ 03Bonds Pay Less Than Zero As Investors Flee To Safety : NPR
[23:45:25] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[23:45:26] <Cripple> ^ 03Hack the Pentagon shutters 100 bugs • The Register
[23:45:43] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[23:45:44] <Cripple> ^ 03North Korea hacks 140k computers in planned mass attacks on Seoul • The Register
[23:45:53] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[23:45:53] <Cripple> ^ 03Imagination: Come back to MIPS, Wi-Fi router makers, we have an FCC ban workaround • The Register
[23:46:41] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[23:46:42] <Cripple> ^ 03Supreme Court okays troll toll increase • The Register
[23:48:13] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[23:48:14] <Cripple> ^ 03Apple quietly launches next-gen encrypted file system • The Register
[23:49:54] <takyon> http://www.kurzweilai.net
[23:49:55] <Cripple> ^ 03Mobilizing mitochondria to regenerate damaged neurons | KurzweilAI
[23:51:30] <takyon> http://nextbigfuture.com
[23:51:31] <Cripple> ^ 03Next Big Future: Laser LIDAR technology has found several lost cities near Angkor Wat in Cambodia and the lost cities rival the size of Phnom Penh
[23:51:40] <takyon> http://www.kurzweilai.net
[23:51:41] <Cripple> ^ 03Electrical fields aid wound healing | KurzweilAI
[23:52:15] <takyon> http://www.theregister.co.uk
[23:52:15] <Cripple> ^ 03TWELVE YEARS of US Air Force complaints lost in database crash • The Register
[23:52:25] <takyon> http://www.channelregister.co.uk
[23:52:25] <Cripple> ^ 03Raspberry Pi distributor Premier Farnell in £792m Swiss buyout deal • The Channel
[23:53:09] <Gravis> takyon: WHY?! ;_;
[23:53:21] <takyon> burp
[23:54:02] <takyon> sorry to crowd out the enormous amount of discussion taking place in this channel
[23:55:50] <takyon> #SorryNotSorry
[23:56:59] <takyon> http://nextbigfuture.com
[23:57:00] <Cripple> ^ 03Next Big Future: Rice University?s single-molecule submersibles gain better fluorescent properties
[23:57:20] <chromas> Sounds chinky
[23:57:27] <takyon> http://nextbigfuture.com
[23:57:28] <Cripple> ^ 03Next Big Future: Planetary Resources And Luxembourg are partnering to Advance Space Asteroid Mining
[23:59:50] <Gravis> ugh... the whole "brexit" thing is 100% retarded