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[00:38:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Is This Food Factory Chemical a Cause of Obesity? - http://sylnt.us - fat-chance
[01:13:42] <Subsentient> Gravis: Was I helpful?
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[01:19:15] <DonaldDick> Good evening, gentlemen.
[01:19:35] <DonaldDick> Found something awesome from childhood.
[01:20:15] <DonaldDick> https://www.youtube.com
[01:20:17] <Schwifty> ^ 03The Magic of the Pentagram - YouTube
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[01:39:03] <cmn32480> crutchy - did it work?
[01:39:12] <cmn32480> ~submit_story list
[01:39:21] <cmn32480> ~submit_story <list>
[01:39:28] <cmn32480> ~submit_story
[01:40:21] <crutchy> it won't trigger at all. i've commented out all the code and just put a simple test message
[01:52:54] <Gravis> Subsentient: you informed me of how fork works which was helpful. however, posix_spawn is still what i want because it can pipe the IO for the child process which is very much what i need
[01:58:54] <chromas> You could write a function that calls fork and execvp and call it posix_spawn
[01:59:06] <chromas> or gravispawn
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[02:16:15] <Subsentient> Gravis: ... You can use freopen() to pipe these from a fork()
[02:16:52] <Subsentient> Gravis: posix_spawn will not have as much potential to set all the little options as a regular old fork() will.
[02:17:14] <Subsentient> It has options sure, but especially for an init system, you'll end up needing more obscure ones it can't provide.
[02:17:30] <Gravis> this isnt' for an init system
[02:17:53] <Gravis> my init system just makes the system ready for my process manager
[02:18:09] <Gravis> do one thing and do it right
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[02:19:45] <Gravis> Subsentient: i'm not sure how freopen is supposed to help
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[02:20:01] <Subsentient> Gravis: You wanted to pipe stdout/stderr to a file, right?
[02:20:12] <Gravis> not to a file
[02:20:23] <Subsentient> Then to what?
[02:20:29] <chromas> the parent process
[02:20:31] <Gravis> Subsentient: file descriptors
[02:21:05] <Subsentient> Gravis: You want to make stdout a fifo where you read from some other descriptor as stdout writes to it?
[02:21:19] <Gravis> -_-
[02:21:56] <Gravis> Subsentient: https://github.com
[02:21:57] <Schwifty> ^ 03InvestigativeProgramming/test_spawn_pipe.cpp at master · pixley/InvestigativeProgramming · GitHub
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[02:22:14] <NigNogSmog> HAAHHAHAHAHEEEHEEEEHAHAHWHWHAHHWA
[02:22:32] <Gravis> Subsentient: i'll be processing all the data in the process manager
[02:22:50] <NigNogSmog> JEW data.
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[02:23:55] <NigNogSmog> HAHahahahhheeeheehoooo!
[02:24:14] <Subsentient> Gravis: man dup2
[02:24:44] <Gravis> Subsentient: what of it?
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[02:24:58] <Subsentient> Gravis: ... It might do what you need.
[02:25:08] <Gravis> Subsentient: no
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[02:25:35] <Subsentient> Gravis: Ohhhhh actually, mmap with dup2
[02:25:58] <Gravis> Subsentient: read this: https://stackoverflow.com
[02:25:58] <Schwifty> ^✓ 03c++ - posix_spawnp and piping child output to a string - Stack Overflow
[02:26:36] <Subsentient> Gravis: Yup that's mmap() and dup2(). mmap maps a file descriptor to memory.
[02:26:52] <Subsentient> so you read from the array as a normal C string, and you get data from stdout
[02:28:06] <Subsentient> both mmap and dup2 conform to POSIX 2001.
[02:29:10] <Gravis> Subsentient: and where is the mmap? because it's not in that code or in the posix_spawn implementation. http://git.musl-libc.org
[02:29:10] <Schwifty> ^ 03musl - musl - an implementation of the standard library for Linux-based systems
[02:29:30] <Subsentient> #include <sys/mman.h>
[02:30:45] <Subsentient> Gravis: mmap() and dup2() do what you want me thinks
[02:30:45] <Gravis> Subsentient: also not present
[02:30:58] <Subsentient> Gravis: What the hell are you compiling as?
[02:31:08] <Subsentient> mmap is a posix function, and so is dup2
[02:31:22] <Gravis> so is posix_spawn
[02:31:45] <Gravis> you are overcomplicating matters
[02:32:32] <Subsentient> Gravis: posix_spawn just does all the things I mentioned, it even has dup2 in one of its function names.
[02:33:02] <Gravis> Subsentient: perhaps you forgot this part: <Gravis> Subsentient: and where is the mmap? because it's not in that code or in the posix_spawn implementation. http://git.musl-libc.org
[02:33:16] <Subsentient> Gravis: That's the wrong file to look in.
[02:33:50] <Gravis> Subsentient: that's where posix_spawn is implemented
[02:34:18] <Subsentient> Gravis: http://git.musl-libc.org
[02:34:18] <Schwifty> ^ 03musl - musl - an implementation of the standard library for Linux-based systems
[02:34:49] <Gravis> Subsentient: how is that related to posix_spawn?
[02:35:06] <Subsentient> Gravis: Ahh alright, you only want to deal with posix_spawn, not fork()?
[02:35:46] <Gravis> ok... go back and read the last 50 lines of the log. -_-
[02:36:23] <Subsentient> Gravis: Log?
[02:36:28] <Gravis> Subsentient: irc log
[02:36:42] <Gravis> because you obviously aren't reading what i've been writing
[02:40:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Meta-Lens Works in the Visible Spectrum, Sees Smaller Than a Wavelength of Light - http://sylnt.us - see-what-he-did-there?
[03:03:30] <crutchy> Gravis, how goes the init?
[03:49:48] <Runaway1956> WTF reads what someone writes, anyway? People skim a sentence, or paragraph, key on a word or two, then ASSume that the sentence confirms what they thought already.
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[04:03:44] <NigNogKong> Fuk sod blags
[04:03:54] <NigNogKong> http://chat.soylentnews.org
[04:03:55] <Schwifty> ^ 03SoylentNews Web IRC (Iris)
[04:04:06] <NigNogKong> https://www.youtube.com
[04:04:07] <Schwifty> ^ 03Anoushka Shankar - Your Eyes (Sitar Solo) - YouTube
[04:13:57] <NigNogKong> https://www.youtube.com
[04:13:57] <Schwifty> ^✓* 03Anoushka Shankar - Your Eyes (Sitar Solo) - YouTube
[04:14:05] <NigNogKong> Blahahahahahaahhaa
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[04:15:02] <cmn32480> crutchy++
[04:15:02] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 210
[04:32:29] <Runaway1956> #submit http://www.foxnews.com
[04:32:30] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[04:32:55] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[04:32:55] <Schwifty> ^✓ 03SoylentNews Submissions ( https://soylentnews.org )
[04:33:06] <chromas> they have to marry to rape now? what's this world coming to?
[04:34:05] <Runaway1956> Chromas, Islam has "temporary marriage", which "justifies" this kind of thing. No divorce necessary. "I want to marry this wench for an hour." She's your wife for one hour.
[04:34:20] <Runaway1956> And, of course, wives are property, chattel
[04:34:33] <chromas> Don't tell the guys in Germany and Sweden they need to temp marry first
[04:35:26] <Runaway1956> Any good Muslim already knows that shit - no matter what, he will be blameless in a Sharia court
[04:41:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Kickstarter Project Kicksat Set for Trip to ISS Next Month to Test 'Sprites' - http://sylnt.us - flying-information
[05:55:35] <crutchy> cmn32480, Bytram|away: just came across this: https://soylentnews.org
[05:55:37] <Schwifty> ^ 03SN comment by [02Runaway1956 (2926)] (02Score:2)
[05:56:09] <crutchy> some not bad ideas in there
[06:01:31] <chromas> What we really need is a Share button for sites to put onto all their pages
[06:01:47] <chromas> like the Share on Faceboo and Share on Twatter
[06:16:58] <crutchy> or a viru.... i mean friendly automaton that speads our good name for us :D
[06:17:18] <crutchy> s/ea/rea/
[06:17:18] <sedctl> <crutchy> or a viru.... i mrean friendly automaton that speads our good name for us :D
[06:17:24] <crutchy> bah
[07:13:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Snails Reveal How Two Brain Cells Can Hold the Key to Decision Making - http://sylnt.us - escargot
[07:23:05] <crutchy> from the escargot-or-not-escargot
[07:23:09] <crutchy> dept.
[07:45:43] <crutchy> found box of microcontroller shit and hooked it all up and installed avr studio. still works :D
[08:10:26] <crutchy> ~g hyperterm debian
[08:10:28] <exec> [google] www.linuxwave.info/2009/06/hyper-terminal-for-linux.html
[08:26:35] <chromas> now you can run exec on it
[08:28:56] <SirFinkus> I'm trying to think of some form of poetic justice for every microsoft developer that signed off on just dumping a bunch of random eulas and installers in the roots of random disks
[08:32:23] <SirFinkus> http://i.imgur.com this is the shit I'm talking about btw
[08:34:20] <SirFinkus> https://support.microsoft.com
[08:34:30] <SirFinkus> "These temporary files are erroneously generated by the installer into the root directory of one of your drives, instead of the temp directory."
[08:34:58] <SirFinkus> a fucking DECADE old bug, at least
[08:35:30] <SirFinkus> "we know about this, but fuck you, we're not fixing it"
[08:38:46] <SirFinkus> it's probably a one line fix too
[08:39:38] <SirFinkus> it reeks of a lazy hack that has a "//todo" next to it
[08:40:29] <SirFinkus> like, the guy who made the installer was working on something else and decided to dump the files to the directory with the least amount of required typing and worry about cleanup later (never)
[08:42:01] <SirFinkus> every person who signed off on this, or knows about the bug and works at microsft
[08:42:08] <SirFinkus> I want to take a glass thermometer
[08:42:15] <SirFinkus> insert it in their urethras
[08:42:19] <SirFinkus> as far as it will go
[08:42:24] <SirFinkus> then I want to break the thermometer
[08:43:03] <SirFinkus> then, I want to take a giant glass prince rupert's drop
[08:43:09] <SirFinkus> insert that into their anus
[08:43:15] <SirFinkus> again, as far as it'll go
[08:43:19] <SirFinkus> then hit the end with a hammer
[08:43:31] <Runaway1956> "as far as it will go"
[08:43:48] <Runaway1956> You know that you can push something from the anus to the mouth, if you work carefully?
[08:44:05] <SirFinkus> I meant with human power
[08:44:05] <Runaway1956> I mean - you move stuff the opposite direction all the time, with little to no effort
[08:44:20] <SirFinkus> no lever or machines, that'd just be sick
[08:46:25] <Runaway1956> Personally, I prefer bludgeoning fools to death - I find a great deal of satisfaction in listening to bones crunch
[08:49:10] <SirFinkus> plenty of time for that after the rupert's drop
[09:00:35] <crutchy> chromas, that might be a fun project
[09:01:08] <crutchy> i've got a little rs232 demo running on the micro currently, and i can connect to it in the debian vm
[09:01:22] <crutchy> might be able to make exec talk to it
[09:01:24] <crutchy> at least
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[09:15:03] <crutchy> ooh got a little analog-rs232 demo working
[09:15:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Car of the Near Future: 4x More LoC than an F-35 - http://sylnt.us - how-many-of-them-will-be-buggy?
[09:16:06] <crutchy> from the love-bug dept.
[09:16:59] <crutchy> pretty awesome. i just cat /dev/ttyS0 and it spits out the potentiometer levels continuously
[09:17:34] <crutchy> haven't mucked around with this stuff for a while
[10:25:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:25:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2642
[10:29:21] <crutchy> coffee++
[10:29:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2643
[10:29:28] <crutchy> damn. i just finished mine
[10:40:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> noooooooo!
[10:46:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, i must go refill my nicotine levels as well as my caffeine levels
[10:46:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:46:40] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2644
[10:46:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[10:46:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[10:46:41] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 55
[10:56:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> thinking i can get the armor calculations and possibly weapon calculations done today
[11:04:08] * crutchy wrote some notes on what he wants to do with his sneak game, and i've started drawing an obstacle map in ms paint
[11:04:20] <crutchy> but i've been distrated by my mcu
[11:04:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, ms paint
[11:04:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya?
[11:04:40] <crutchy> ms paint still kicks ass for pixel maps
[11:04:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> whatcha gonner do with the mcu?
[11:05:41] <crutchy> i've loaded a demo that streams output from the onboard a/d, with input from a few trimpots
[11:06:02] <crutchy> just gunna see if i can whip up an exec script that will output to irc when the values change by a certain amount
[11:06:46] <crutchy> via rs232
[11:07:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh
[11:08:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> could use a photo cell to set /away when the lights are out
[11:09:03] <crutchy> yup. doesn't matter what the analog signal source is
[11:09:43] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[11:09:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> bi-directional data flow?
[11:09:55] <crutchy> yup
[11:10:17] <crutchy> though i gotta code the mcu to handle its end obv
[11:10:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> you need to rig up an array of leds and make a disco hotkey
[11:10:26] <crutchy> haha
[11:11:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's my go-to idea whenever we're talking automation at home. sometimes it's the house lights, sometimes leds, whatever.
[11:11:26] <crutchy> the project i wanna do eventually is make a music specrum analyzer, but i need a couple of dsp chips with 16-bit a/d cos the onboard is only 8-bit
[11:11:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> one day i will have a big, red disco button
[11:11:39] <crutchy> *spectrum
[11:11:43] * TheMightyBuzzard nods
[11:12:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> older one then. most of em i've seen lately have 16-bit adcs
[11:12:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> not that i've done tons of research
[11:14:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i do have a couple somewhere back in OK in an electronics grab/projects-i-never-finished bag but haven't played with em in a while
[11:15:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> have to pick them up when i head that way in july. breadboard up a programmer for them.
[11:17:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google's Nest May Become a Different Kind of IoT Company After CEO Fadell Leaves - http://sylnt.us - connecting-everything-to-the-internet
[11:45:24] <chromas> ♪ABC, IoT♫
[11:47:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Car of the Near Future: 4x More Lines of Code than an F-35 - http://sylnt.us - how-many-of-them-will-be-buggy?
[11:48:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> none of them will be buggy. nobody uses buggies anymore except the amish.
[11:58:23] <chromas> "Unicode Consortium: Organization Approves 72 New Emojis, Including Bacon and Face Palm"
[11:58:34] <chromas> One for ## and one for Gravis
[11:58:38] * TheMightyBuzzard facepalms
[12:04:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:04:54] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2645
[12:04:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[12:04:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[12:04:55] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 56
[12:05:14] <chromas> Do you have to hit two keys or do you have a macro-firing macro?
[12:06:31] <crutchy> doing an apt-get upgrade
[12:06:39] <crutchy> after a long time not doing it
[12:07:05] <crutchy> cos i wanna install php-pear but apt won't let me
[12:07:11] <crutchy> dumb bitch
[12:07:12] <chromas> See, if you ran arch you could update at least once a day
[12:07:16] <crutchy> lol
[12:09:27] <crutchy> fuck
[12:09:52] <chromas> broked?
[12:10:40] <crutchy> seems like pear is kinda like perl's cpan
[12:11:26] <crutchy> i just want https://pecl.php.net
[12:11:28] <Schwifty> ^ 03PECL :: Package :: dio
[12:17:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, M5 = coffee++, M4 = smoke break\nnicotine++
[12:17:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> cpan++
[12:17:44] <Bender> karma - cpan: 1
[12:18:46] <Runaway1956> EF only shows up now and then, with different names - https://web.archive.org
[12:18:47] <Schwifty> ^ 03Linux for Niggers - Home ( index.php )
[12:18:58] <Runaway1956> 'Course, he probably already has that . . .
[12:20:00] * TheMightyBuzzard ponders
[12:20:15] <chromas> Needs to have a white computer
[12:20:22] <chromas> Black people like white things
[12:20:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i do not believe i'm in the mood to write up constants for every possible spell effect in 5th edition dnd rules today
[12:21:05] <Runaway1956> try this page, chromas - this is where I jumped from to get to the other page - https://encyclopediadramatica.se
[12:21:06] <Schwifty> ^ 03Linux for Niggers - Encyclopedia Dramatica
[12:21:41] <chromas> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com
[12:22:28] <chromas> tell ya hwhat, it's hard to get any image search result without porn when safesearch is off
[12:22:36] <chromas> (but that link's safe for childrens)
[12:22:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> who would want image search results without porn though?
[12:22:52] <Runaway1956> That's what YOU SAY!
[12:23:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> image search results without porn is like pizza without cheese
[12:24:20] <chromas> truf
[12:24:40] <chromas> pizza without cheese doesn't exist
[12:25:00] <chromas> can't exist. without cheese, it is merely sauced bread
[12:25:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> misshapen breadsticks
[12:26:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh, new bofh
[12:27:22] <chromas> We need an updated Ubuntu Satanic Edition too
[12:27:49] <chromas> http://plancksconstant.org
[12:28:35] * Runaway1956 feeds all his animals glitter to make their poop pretty
[12:29:07] <Runaway1956> http://www.cnet.com
[12:29:07] <Schwifty> ^ 03Polar bears are pooping glitter, because bears in Canada are fancy - CNET
[12:29:09] <chromas> poospark
[12:29:29] <chromas> my niece had a horse vidya game where the poops were sparkles
[12:29:39] <chromas> (they were scoopable)
[12:32:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's highly inaccurate. everybody knows only unicorns poop sparkles.
[12:33:03] <chromas> Rainbow Fart
[12:33:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> zactly
[12:33:09] <chromas> kde--
[12:33:09] <Bender> karma - kde: 2
[12:33:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> lxde++
[12:33:21] <Bender> karma - lxde: 3
[12:33:30] <Runaway1956> Does anyone still use k?
[12:33:42] <Runaway1956> I thought it was kinda cool, about twelve years ago
[12:33:51] <chromas> Try to autodetect window for doing a macro and pointer got stuck so I can't click things no mo'
[12:34:07] <chromas> it's the only legitimate de for linux
[12:34:25] <Runaway1956> xfce++
[12:34:26] <Bender> karma - xfce: 13
[12:34:33] <Runaway1956> enlightenment++
[12:34:33] <Bender> karma - enlightenment: 0
[12:34:47] <Runaway1956> Huh? Someone doen't like enlightenment?
[12:35:01] * TheMightyBuzzard raises his hand
[12:35:10] <chromas> it was probably being a butt
[12:35:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> !whodown enlightenment
[12:35:12] <Bender> downers of enlightenment are: chromas: -4
[12:35:13] <Runaway1956> E is Excellent
[12:35:25] <chromas> Bender: whoup enlightenment
[12:35:25] <Bender> uppers of enlightenment are: chromas: 3, Runaway1956: 1
[12:35:34] <chromas> it was all me!!
[12:35:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> E is a god-awful pain in the ass to initially set up
[12:35:51] <chromas> although their default theme with the blue on gray is fugly
[12:36:20] <Runaway1956> best way to install E is to download it preinstalled on a distro - unfortunately, the distros have abandoned E
[12:36:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause it sucks to set up
[12:36:44] <chromas> it's pretty good on arch
[12:36:49] <Runaway1956> I do like driving it though
[12:37:11] <chromas> they need networkmanager support 'cause nobody uses connman
[12:37:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, i use netctl nowadays
[12:37:45] <crutchy> /etc/network/interfaces ftw!
[12:37:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause, fuck it.
[12:38:05] <chromas> don't they say to not use netctl 'cause it sucks?
[12:38:09] <chromas> also does it wifi?
[12:38:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't care how the network gets configured as long as i only gotta do it once.
[12:38:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya
[12:38:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's doing wifi right now on this box
[12:38:52] <chromas> neat
[12:38:57] <crutchy> even old ifup does wifi
[12:39:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm...
[12:39:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, that cries out for a udev rule naming your network interface "wank"
[12:40:13] <Runaway1956> I'll second that "do it once" bit TMB - few things piss me off more than coming home, and having to reconfigure the network
[12:40:34] <Runaway1956> speaking of which
[12:40:49] <Runaway1956> I was told, "If you have problems with the internet, just call 611
[12:41:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i hate having to install a new router or modem/router combo. gotta set a laptop to dhcp and connect over cat5
[12:41:06] <Runaway1956> So, on Thurday, got home, no internet,
[12:41:22] <Runaway1956> I connect to the router, it's good, I can see my entire network, everything looks good
[12:41:28] <Runaway1956> so I dial 611
[12:41:37] <Runaway1956> The lady says, "can I help you"
[12:41:48] <Runaway1956> I says "Winthrop internet seems to be down"
[12:42:05] <Runaway1956> she says "Yes sir, there are some contractors out there who have dug up some land line"
[12:42:19] * TheMightyBuzzard snickers
[12:42:35] <Runaway1956> I says "I like you! the tech support people would have taken an hour to get arount to saying they can't fix the problem!"
[12:42:39] <Runaway1956> She laughed
[12:44:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> well shit. i'm to the point that i really need to start entering spell data but that's a fuckload of data entry and i don't wanna do it right now.
[12:44:39] <crutchy> use magic to do it
[12:45:02] <crutchy> get in touch with your inner hermione
[12:45:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was gonna but my last can of FnM got used up earlier in the week.
[12:46:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> FnM == Fuckin Magic. what we used to send noobs in our maintenance units out looking for cans of in the army.
[12:47:24] <Runaway1956> Soon after I arrived aboard ship, the lead man sent me looking for a bucket of steam, about 09:00
[12:47:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice
[12:47:43] <Runaway1956> That lead man found me asleep in my rack about 15:30
[12:47:58] <Runaway1956> He asks, "WTF ARE YOU DOING IN YOUR RACK, BOOT?!?!?!"
[12:48:13] <Runaway1956> I says, "You sent me for a bucket of steam - I'm most likely to find it here."
[12:48:24] <Runaway1956> No one ever sent Runaway looking for crazy shit again
[12:48:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> har
[12:49:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i always liked the board stretchers in construction and hose stretchers when you're working on cars too
[12:50:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> can of FnM was the best though cause it sounds entirely plausible until someone tells you what it stands for.
[12:50:40] <Runaway1956> Anyone looked at the new Nvidia cards? It costs about the same for a 1080, as to buy a new 980 TI
[12:50:55] <Runaway1956> I expect 980 prices to drop soon
[12:52:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> 1080 has shit linux support so far from what i hear
[12:52:23] <Runaway1956> Ooooooh - that bites - I hadn't read anything about that yet
[12:53:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> phoronix rss feed. a necessity if you run linux and are looking at getting a new vid card.
[12:54:37] <Runaway1956> I'm only into the second paragraph, but this guy seems to differ with you - https://www.phoronix.com
[12:54:38] <Schwifty> ^ 03Linux Hardware Reviews, Articles, Gaming - Phoronix ( https://www.phoronix.com )
[12:55:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm, was something about deficiencies of drivers on it earlier this week i think
[12:56:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> me, i'm more eyeing an I7-6700K
[12:57:25] <crutchy> ~sn
[12:57:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> not that i can particularly afford one along with a motherboard and new ram just now...
[12:57:40] <crutchy> exec ded?
[12:57:45] <Runaway1956> I'll have to upgrade drivers - support only begins at 367.18 for this card
[12:57:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday crutchy
[12:57:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like
[12:57:58] * Runaway1956 still runs the 352 driver
[12:58:04] <chromas> ~last nick=exec type=quit
[12:58:05] <chromas> :D
[12:58:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, yer using binary drivers
[12:58:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> #seen exec
[12:58:27] <MrPlow> [2016-06-05 08:10:28] #Soylent <exec> [google] www.linuxwave.info/2009/06/hyper-terminal-for-linux.html
[12:58:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's UTC
[12:58:49] <chromas> Gotta use binary drivers if you wanna game
[12:59:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> says you. ati OSS drivers work pretty nice.
[12:59:23] <chromas> even for wine games?
[12:59:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> so far, yep
[12:59:32] <chromas> I'd always have it lie and say my opengl was missing
[12:59:47] <Runaway1956> At the moment there is no open-source driver support for the GeForce GTX 1070/1080. I heard NVIDIA did send out a GeForce GTX 1080 to Ben Skeggs, the Nouveau DRM maintainer at Red Hat,
[12:59:55] <chromas> though it's been a while since I an ati
[12:59:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> haven't tried that many with it yet but it's done fine on everything i asked it to.
[13:00:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, that musta been it
[13:01:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like the OSS drivers cause i don't ever gotta worry about rebuilding the binary ones for a new kernel.
[13:01:15] * Runaway1956 continues reading: if he's gonna spend ~$700, he wants to be sure it's gonna work
[13:01:40] <chromas> nvidia has arch pizackages
[13:02:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's catalyst packages in a maintained repo as well but they're always falling behind the current X version or kernel version or something.
[13:02:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> amd has been putting more effort into OSS drivers than binary drivers lately.
[13:03:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> seems like anyway
[13:03:24] * Runaway1956 was once an ATI guy until they screwed the pooch on driver support
[13:03:32] <Runaway1956> They do seem to be coming back around
[13:05:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just don't dig the idea of an APU cause graphics hardware obsoletes much faster than processor hardware
[13:06:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> i haven't upgraded my processor in like 6-7 years but i've had to upgrade my vid card once during that time and it's looking like i may need to again soon.
[13:07:57] <chromas> Get an APU and have two gpus
[13:08:08] <chromas> then buy additional monitors
[13:09:14] <Runaway1956> Heh - I've never owned any "high end" GPU's until I bought the 780 TI
[13:09:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm really fscking disappointed in processor tech. i should be running something with either 24 cores at 3.6GHz or six cores at ~14GHz or something along those performance lines.
[13:09:42] <Runaway1956> Since I'm not a gamer, I've not really needed anything very high end
[13:10:27] <chromas> You need at least 12 cores to render web 3.0 cloudscale world wide weberverse
[13:10:33] * Runaway1956 compromises on TMB's specs - 12 cores at 2.8 gig
[13:10:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> instead intel's flagship i7 is two less cores than i have now at 400MHz faster.
[13:12:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, if i could make -j 24 to build a kernel n modules i might actually do it instead of running stock
[13:12:36] <chromas> They should have different cores
[13:12:47] <chromas> like a couple 3GHz and 64 1GHz
[13:13:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that'd be nifty
[13:13:49] <chromas> You don't build your own kernel 'cause -j 6 is too slow?
[13:13:52] <Runaway1956> or, 128 cores, running at 512 mhz?
[13:13:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, yup
[13:13:57] <chromas> yes
[13:14:11] <chromas> Lots of baby cores for all the idle threads
[13:14:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> young fool, only now do you understand the true power of the lazy side
[13:14:55] * chromas wonders if sound cards can be used generically like GPUs
[13:15:17] <Runaway1956> sound cards can be skipped like stones on water surfaces
[13:15:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ... do they still make sound cards?
[13:15:32] <Runaway1956> mostly in USB format, TMB
[13:15:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahhh
[13:15:51] <Runaway1956> my son uses them with laptops, since laptops have such shit sound
[13:16:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> do they? i never paid attention.
[13:16:27] <chromas> well, or the onboard chip. aren't they just DSPs now though?
[13:16:49] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[13:16:54] * Runaway1956 doesn't know - he only knows the son finally found what he was looking for in a USB soundcard
[13:17:17] <chromas> this lap here constantly makes noise I can hear with headphones when nothing's playing
[13:17:27] <chromas> laptop_sound--
[13:17:27] <Bender> karma - laptop_sound: -1
[13:18:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know i have a SB 5.1 and 7.1 in a box in the closet but my ears aren't picky enough to justify installing them and disabling the motherboard sound.
[13:18:57] <chromas> I think desktop sound's usually decent; at least mine is. Laptops though, you can hear the MHz through headphones
[13:19:00] <Runaway1956> Do you even have a slot to plut them into? I think all the sound cards I've ever used were ISA - and I have no ISA slots
[13:19:20] <chromas> pci-e sound cards are 4 lane I think
[13:19:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, these are pci and i specifically picked a motherboard with two pci slots as well as pci-e
[13:19:43] <Runaway1956> pcie seems wasted on sound
[13:20:04] <Runaway1956> hell, as slow as sound moves, ISA was wasted on sound
[13:20:45] <chromas> But now you get 192khz 8.1 4D surround or whatever
[13:20:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> well you can always get higher fidelity. it's just a matter of if software bothers to support it outside the range of human hearing.
[13:21:22] <Runaway1956> my range of hearing is only a subset of the range of human hearing
[13:21:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> not mine. i got all the normal range plus several frequencies of constant ringing
[13:22:17] <Runaway1956> I think there's a name for that - tinitus
[13:22:44] <Runaway1956> You probably caught it from the noisy fishing environment
[13:22:51] <chromas> Also with the intel hd spec they use you can usually remap your ports to whatever you want. So you could have 5 mics if you want
[13:22:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> fyi, people who bitch about tinitus are whiners. i've had it since i started listening to metal back in the 80s and it has NEVER kept me awake or distracted me.
[13:23:34] <Runaway1956> LOL - I got my own hearing loss honorably, listening to big guns talking across the miles
[13:23:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff
[13:23:47] <Runaway1956> That, and turbochargers
[13:24:02] * Runaway1956 thinks the turbos contributed more to hearing loss than guns
[13:24:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> i prolly picked some up in the army from the explosions as well but by then it was an afterthought
[13:25:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> cranking up the stereo and putting the speakers up against my ears was what made sure i wouldn't ever have to suffer through silence again.
[13:26:36] <Runaway1956> Reach out, reach out, and touch someone! https://www.youtube.com
[13:26:38] <Schwifty> ^ 035-Inch/54-caliber (Mk 45) lightweight gun - YouTube
[13:28:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg, i missed my 8:00 smoke break
[13:28:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[13:28:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[13:28:44] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 57
[13:30:02] <Runaway1956> This is much better video, from the same class ship I was on - https://www.youtube.com
[13:30:03] <Schwifty> ^ 03Mark 42 5"/54 Caliber Naval Gun (127mm) Tour and Gun Shoot - YouTube
[13:47:06] <Runaway1956> http://www.foxnews.com
[13:47:06] <Schwifty> ^ 03Former Marine fired from job for lowering flag on Memorial Day | Fox News
[13:49:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ownCloud US Office Shutting Down - Blames NextCloud - http://sylnt.us - running-on-a-shoestring
[13:51:06] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.rt.com
[13:51:07] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[13:51:20] <Runaway1956> ~submit https://www.rt.com
[13:56:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> blerg. they put their descriptions on multiple lines.
[13:56:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> hard to parse that way
[13:57:25] <chromas> surely there's a strip function in rust
[14:04:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> be quicker to rewrite the regex
[14:05:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> ima not monkey with it just now though
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[14:05:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> just save it over in #test's buffer for later fixing
[14:06:24] <cmn32480> sorry Runaway1956 didn't realize exec died with my vpn connection last night
[14:07:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[14:07:14] * exec hideously pours a stocking of spinning rust for cmn32480
[14:07:18] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[14:07:20] * exec single-handedly reticulates cream of boogers for TheMightyBuzzard
[14:07:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> think you won that one
[14:07:44] <cmn32480> yeah.. I think so too
[14:07:57] <cmn32480> though neither of us got anythign good
[14:08:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
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[14:13:47] <cmn32480> ~submit https://www.rt.com
[14:14:15] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[14:33:40] <Bytram> http://arstechnica.com
[14:33:41] <Schwifty> ^ 03NoScript and other popular Firefox add-ons open millions to new attack | Ars Technica
[14:33:47] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:33:47] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2646
[14:33:51] <Bytram> !uid
[14:33:51] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6248, owned by Tara Li
[14:34:02] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[14:34:03] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[14:34:04] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 63°F, light rain showers, wind E at 7 mph, humidity 93% - Sunday rain (62°F:66°F), Monday mostly sunny (64°F:83°F), Tuesday scattered thunderstorms (61°F:78°F), Wednesday scattered thunderstorms (53°F:68°F)
[14:34:13] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[14:36:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[14:36:57] * exec covertly pisses a gift of adult beverage on Bytram
[14:37:13] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[14:37:15] * exec literally experiences a shitload of spitwads with TheMightyBuzzard
[14:37:41] <Bytram> am on the phone ...
[14:37:42] <Runaway1956> Oh - exec died? oh - got it
[14:37:48] * TheMightyBuzzard goes to literally experience a cigarette
[14:38:03] <Runaway1956> ~submit https://www.rt.com
[14:38:33] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[14:38:39] <Runaway1956> Exec lives
[14:40:10] <Runaway1956> "The attack is made possible by a lack of isolation in Firefox among various add-ons installed by an end user."
[14:40:32] <Runaway1956> It appears that the solution is NOT to install random addons which might carry malicious payloads
[14:49:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Muhammad Ali Dies at 74 - http://sylnt.us - float-like-a-butterfly,-in-peace
[15:09:58] <Bytram> back (and forth)
[15:13:23] <chromas> isn't mozilla all feminists now? it's not firefox's fault. stop blaming the victim! STOP RAPING FIREFOX IT DIDN'T CONSENT TO YOUR EXTENSION!
[15:16:15] <chromas> (keep your plugins off my browser! keep your plugins off my browser!)
[15:20:08] <Bytram> you got peanut butter in my chocolate!
[15:20:24] * Bytram is now very hungry for some Reese's Cups
[15:48:37] <Bytram|away> time to get going on my day.
[15:48:44] <Bytram|away> ~gnight #soylent
[15:48:45] * exec emphatically formulates a photograph of pesos for #soylent
[15:48:57] <Bytram|away> chump change, eh?
[15:48:59] <Bytram|away> ;-)
[15:50:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Disabling Messaging in its Mobile Web App to Push People to Messenger - http://sylnt.us - we-are-the-product
[16:03:22] * Subsentient farts
[16:03:45] * Subsentient pokes TheMightyBuzzard
[16:45:13] * Runaway1956 looks to see if Bytram is back from the store with peanut butter cups
[16:46:02] * Runaway1956 finds fifteen empty Reese's wrappers
[16:46:14] * Runaway1956 wanders off in search of Bytram
[16:47:03] <Runaway1956> Guys, I may need some help here, Bytram has probably overdosed on Reese's
[16:49:45] <cmn32480> he'll be fine.
[16:50:34] <cmn32480> i think it takes more then 15 to OD on Reeses
[16:51:01] <cmn32480> I gotta shut down. heading to the office then the airport.
[16:51:07] <cmn32480> y'all have a good day
[16:51:25] <cmn32480> ~gday #soylent
[16:51:27] * exec unjustifiably nudges a pint of Uranus toward #soylent
[16:51:37] * Runaway1956 found 12 more reese's wrappers in the trashcan outside the bathroom
[16:51:57] <Runaway1956> Later, cmn - and don't take any wooden nickles
[16:52:03] <cmn32480> i won't
[16:52:09] <cmn32480> this week is New Orleans
[16:52:22] <cmn32480> so I will gorge on good seafood
[16:52:27] <Runaway1956> That's the wooden nickel mint, isn't it?
[16:52:45] <cmn32480> prolly
[16:52:55] <Runaway1956> Seafood is best, if you go out on the mudflats to find it yourself
[16:53:05] <cmn32480> yeah.. don't ahve the time for that
[16:53:14] <cmn32480> I'm gonna just buy it pre-cooked
[16:53:14] <Runaway1956> Take along a big pot to start the boiling water before you get your feet muddy
[16:53:25] <Runaway1956> Ehhh - I guess that will work too
[16:53:30] <cmn32480> and on a plate
[16:53:35] <cmn32480> unless it is oysters
[16:53:45] <cmn32480> then they will be raw w/ cocktail and lemon
[16:53:52] <Runaway1956> Don't forget the swamp food - alligator is good, and mudbugs too
[16:54:01] <cmn32480> alligator is excellent
[16:54:48] <Runaway1956> They had a mudbug festival in Shreveport last weekend, but I couldn't be bothered to drive that far
[16:55:19] <Runaway1956> Free mudbugs, until 5:00, then it was five bucks for all you could eat - children and veterans still free all day
[16:55:29] <cmn32480> nice
[16:55:36] <cmn32480> I'da paid the $5
[16:55:47] <Runaway1956> You bet!
[16:55:59] <cmn32480> all right
[16:56:01] <cmn32480> time to go
[16:56:05] <cmn32480> be good Runaway1956
[16:56:08] <Runaway1956> get outta here man
[17:04:24] <Runaway1956> Holy shite - Canada still runs diesel boats!
[17:04:36] <Runaway1956> This should be a fun submission,
[17:04:46] <Runaway1956> ~submit http://www.ctvnews.ca
[17:05:00] <Runaway1956> Much lighthearted fun making of Canucks
[17:05:15] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[17:16:08] <Runaway1956> It appears that bees approve of Chevy's SUV - https://www.youtube.com
[17:16:09] <Schwifty> ^ 03Nanaimo Car Bee Swarm 2016 - YouTube
[17:24:25] <Runaway1956> ~submit http://m.cacm.acm.org
[17:24:56] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[17:53:27] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: hi
[18:22:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - British Drone-Freezing Ray Gets US Airports Trial - http://sylnt.us - signal-jamming-on-steroids
[18:25:16] <Runaway1956> hello subsentient
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[20:54:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Snowden Tried to Tell NSA About Surveillance Concerns, Documents Reveal - http://sylnt.us - dacted-and-redacted
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[21:51:01] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:51:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2647
[21:51:23] <crutchy> monday_morning--
[21:51:23] <Bender> karma - monday_morning: -2
[22:13:25] <nick> got another 40 or so minutes before that realisation here
[22:56:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - British Drone-Jamming Ray Gets US Airports Trial - http://sylnt.us - signal-jamming-on-steroids || Godwin's Law at the Limit - http://sylnt.us - taking-a-different-perspective
[23:03:34] <Subsentient> crutchy: Sunday here
[23:03:36] <Subsentient> $time MST
[23:03:37] <aqu4> Sun 2016-06-05 04:03:15 PM MST
[23:03:40] <Subsentient> :^D
[23:03:47] * Subsentient rubs it in crutchy 's face
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