#Soylent | Logs for 2016-05-05

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[00:24:07] <cmn32480> ~tell crutchy how you want me to get you the code for Arthur?
[00:54:32] <vim> /nick crutchy
[00:54:35] <vim> send it here!
[01:04:55] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[01:06:20] * Runaway1956 wonders why online banking is the slowest page I ever try to load
[01:06:44] <Runaway1956> Are bankers incapable of hiring good IT people?
[01:07:36] <Runaway1956> Or, is digital insight just the least competent IT people in the banking industry?
[01:09:03] <Bytram> maybe they are just the least competent that you have heard about?
[01:10:40] <Runaway1956> I could probably drive to that bank and get my balance from the ATM faster than this page is going to load.
[01:10:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bankers are unable to put good IT people in positions where they can do something you would notice.
[01:11:41] <Bytram> Runaway1956: what browser are you using?
[01:12:24] <Runaway1956> I use Firefox for banking - I've never used Chrome
[01:12:26] <Bytram> I fit is firefox/palemoon compatible, I've found LiveHTTPHeaders to abe a very useful addon to watch the handshakes and see what is holding things up.
[01:12:29] <Bytram> s/I fit/If it/
[01:12:31] <exec> <Bytram> If it is firefox/palemoon compatible, I've found LiveHTTPHeaders to abe a very useful addon to watch the handshakes and see what is holding things up.
[01:13:19] <Runaway1956> Think I'll try it - even if I can't fix anything, I'll know what the problem is
[01:13:43] <AndyTheAbsurd> Pale Moon is awesome. Chrome is a bloated piece of crap these days because Google is trying to turn it into an operating system so that you can run everything "in the cloud".
[01:14:11] <Bytram> I try to not feed the 'Goog'
[01:14:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> And Firefox is...well, Mozilla is trying to make Firefox behave exactly like Chrome, so why not just use Chrome?
[01:14:22] <Runaway1956> Yeah, and everyone goes along with that program. At work, our "top secret" stuff is now in the Cloud.
[01:14:44] * Bytram could try chromium, or one of its forks, I suppose
[01:14:55] <Bytram> facepalm
[01:16:43] <Runaway1956> SRWare Iron is probably the best of the Chromium forks - stripped of all Google's intrusive crap.
[01:17:09] <Bytram> all? or all that they know of?
[01:17:29] <Runaway1956> "all that they can find" is probably "all", but you can't be certain
[01:21:47] <Bytram> I *suppose* one could just use wireshark or similar and watch *all* the connections... wonder if anyone has actually tried that?
[01:22:57] <Runaway1956> Arrgh. I'll probably set things up tomorrow, so that I can monitor what happens. I'll have to get ready for work soon, not starting tonight.
[01:23:09] <Bytram> np, no hurry, either.
[01:23:49] <Bytram> I mostly use Pale Moon, haven't noticed a problem
[01:23:57] <Bytram> on rare occasions I'll launch Lynx
[01:24:21] <Bytram> and I have Opera installed and avail, but use exceedingly rarely
[01:24:24] <Runaway1956> Ohh - Kasich has dropped out - so, Trump is the only candidate left on the GOP side?
[01:24:33] <Bytram> nod nod
[01:24:55] <Bytram> okay, got a few stories out to the queue; time to make some dinner...
[01:24:56] <Bytram> biab
[01:24:57] <Bytram> afk
[01:25:06] <Runaway1956> later
[01:25:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> I guess we're gonna have to get used to saying "President Drumpf"
[01:31:36] <AndyTheAbsurd> well, off to bed for me.
[01:35:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Keep Human Embryos Alive Longer Outside of the Womb - http://sylnt.us - life-finds-a-way
[01:36:06] <SirFinkus> overwatch: kinda shitty
[01:36:10] <SirFinkus> well, not shitty
[01:36:16] <SirFinkus> just polished "meh"
[02:06:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Senate Hopeful Has One-Word Candidate's Statement... in Binary - http://sylnt.us - democracy-doesn't-work
[02:10:16] <Bytram> Oh this is rich... but, maybe it's my browser?
[02:10:31] <Bytram> Check out this statement in that article:
[02:10:35] <Bytram> http://validator.w3.org
[02:10:37] <emacs> ^ 03Showing results for http://www.jasonhanania.com - Nu Html Checker ( https://validator.w3.org )
[02:10:52] <Bytram> ^^^ that is the link referenced in:
[02:10:53] <Bytram> [1] He is clearly an engineer who doesn't check his work. [w3.org]
[02:11:19] <Bytram> and... here is the entire link in context:
[02:11:19] <Bytram> <p>[1] He is clearly an engineer who <a href="http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.jasonhanania.com/why--01100101--.html#wsb-element-1d22cefa-6d0e-42ce-baa9-e217930ae5a8" title="w3.org">doesn't check his work.</a> [w3.org] </p>
[02:11:19] <Bytram> but,
[02:11:22] <emacs> ^ 03Showing results for http://www.jasonhanania.com - Nu Html Checker ( https://validator.w3.org )
[02:12:25] <Bytram> when I go to the generated page, I do NOT see the fragment identifier (#wsb-element-1d22cefa-6d0e-42ce-baa9-e217930ae5a8) in the resultant HTML!!?!
[02:13:09] <Bytram> can anyone confirm that on their browser?
[02:45:12] Bytram is now known as Bytram|away
[02:45:19] <Bytram|away> cannot stay awake any longer.
[02:45:23] <Bytram|away> ~gnight #Soylent
[02:45:25] * exec accidentally pours a dutch oven of the chron for #Soylent
[02:46:25] <Bytram|away> ~gnight #editorial
[02:46:27] * exec deliciously culturally appropriates a briefcase of NCommander from #editorial
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[03:37:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wall Street Values Tesla Motors at $620,000 for Every Car Delivered Last Year - http://sylnt.us
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[05:08:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fully Autonomous Drone Network to be Deployed in the Netherlands - http://sylnt.us - roomba-of-the-skies
[07:09:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Takata Airbag Recall Expands Again; Largest Recall in American History - http://sylnt.us - airbag-recall-EXPANDS
[07:29:54] <crutchy> re fully autonomous drone thingy...
[07:29:59] <crutchy> "They will begin by deploying deploy"
[07:30:17] <crutchy> "deploying deploy:
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[10:15:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:15:15] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2535
[10:25:05] <crutchy> http://i.imgur.com
[10:42:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM Quantum Computer to be Accessible Online - http://sylnt.us - built-by-quantum-mechanics-using-really-tiny-tools
[11:16:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> crutchy++ # he speaks da troof
[11:16:16] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 202
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[11:28:03] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:28:05] * exec whole-heartedly writes a fanfic featuring your mom's bra, full of silver coins about TheMightyBuzzard
[11:28:07] <cmn32480> ~gday crutchy
[11:28:09] * exec seductively formulates a dire ear of eye crust for crutchy
[11:28:20] <crutchy> ahoy!
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[11:29:04] <cmn32480> how goes fellas?
[11:30:59] <cmn32480> crutchy - how can I get you the code for Arthur?
[11:31:13] <crutchy> http://imgur.com
[11:31:14] <systemd> ^ 03When you refuse to upgrade your old troops in Civilization. - Imgur
[11:31:18] <crutchy> erm...
[11:32:52] <crutchy> it not public code i guessin?
[11:35:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[11:35:28] * exec metrosexually cracks open a dutch oven of systemd for cmn32480
[11:35:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh, good one
[11:38:17] <cmn32480> he said I coudl gicvve it to anyone who wants it... and I think that includes TMB
[11:38:43] <cmn32480> but as far as being on github or some such... no
[11:38:55] <cmn32480> it si not
[11:39:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> really i only need the templates and i can reverse engineer with probably less effort than reading python
[11:39:18] <cmn32480> and somebody who knows WTF they are doing might have to deconstruct how it all actually works
[11:39:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> and i already have those
[11:40:44] <cmn32480> I suppose that it'd be too much to ask for cruthy to have a SN email?
[11:42:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> we could always give him one whether he likes it or not
[11:42:48] * cmn32480 grins evilly
[11:46:21] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[11:48:21] * chromas was just brutally raped
[11:48:25] <chromas> by a spider
[11:53:17] <chromas> weboob might be a nifty package to check out for scraping web page content
[11:53:28] <chromas> ~aur weboob
[11:53:30] <exec> 02top result out of 2: weboob-git [1.1_57_gde6766e-1]
[11:53:30] <exec> 02Weboob (Web Out Of Browsers) provides several applications to interact with a lot of websites.
[11:53:30] <exec> 02https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/weboob-git/
[11:54:00] Bytram|away is now known as Bytram
[11:54:04] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:54:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2536
[11:54:09] <Bytram> !uid
[11:54:09] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 6229, owned by cyka
[11:56:03] <Bytram> r~weather boston
[11:56:06] <Bytram> ~weather boston
[11:56:08] <exec> 10Boston, MA, USA - currently 44°F, cloudy, wind NE at 16 mph, humidity 96% - Thursday scattered showers (45°F:47°F), Friday partly cloudy (47°F:55°F), Saturday cloudy (49°F:60°F), Sunday rain (46°F:60°F)
[11:56:13] <Bytram> ~weather portland, me
[11:56:15] <exec> 10Portland, ME, USA - currently 45°F, fog, wind NE at 15 mph, humidity 88% - Thursday fog (43°F:50°F), Friday partly cloudy (43°F:58°F), Saturday scattered showers (44°F:54°F), Sunday rain (41°F:58°F)
[11:56:19] <Bytram> ~weather presque isle
[11:56:21] <exec> 10Presque Isle, ME, USA - currently 43°F, cloudy, wind NE at 9 mph, humidity 74% - Thursday scattered showers (39°F:51°F), Friday scattered showers (41°F:61°F), Saturday partly cloudy (49°F:66°F), Sunday rain (39°F:57°F)
[11:57:26] <cmn32480> I jsut had to go fix a projector that they spent HOURS screwing wiht yesterday while I was out
[11:57:48] <cmn32480> pushed 3 buttons including power, and it all works
[11:58:00] <cmn32480> I'm pretty sure I work with fucking idiots
[11:58:18] <chromas> you genius, you!
[11:58:22] <chromas> we should give you a raise
[11:58:27] <chromas> should. we won't
[11:58:43] <AndyTheAbsurd> wait, we pay cmn32480?
[11:59:07] <chromas> we pay him in compliments
[11:59:25] <AndyTheAbsurd> Oh, here I was, figuring that a 10% raise from $0.00/hr is still $0.00/hr so we can afford that.
[11:59:26] * chromas 's view is blocked by cat but continues typing anyhow
[11:59:40] <AndyTheAbsurd> touch typing for the win!
[11:59:45] <AndyTheAbsurd> touch_typing++
[11:59:45] <Bender> karma - touch_typing: 1
[12:01:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> yays! slowly but surely figuring out Rust
[12:01:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[12:01:11] * exec abrasively internalizes a tremendouns number of coffee++ in Bytram
[12:01:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: g'day!
[12:01:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather
[12:01:38] <MrPlow> Today: Sunshine to start, then a few afternoon clouds. High 68F. Winds NNW at 10 to 20 mph. Tomorrow: Mainly sunny. High around 75F. Winds NNW at 5 to 10 mph.
[12:01:43] <Bytram> hmmm, 'get the Rust out' takes on new meaning =)
[12:02:07] <chromas> actually he was blocking the monitor :D
[12:02:32] <Bytram> lol
[12:02:34] <chromas> ~define tremendouns
[12:02:36] <exec> tremendouns: unable to find definition
[12:02:45] <Bytram> ~define tremendous
[12:02:47] <exec> [urbandictionary] 03tremendous: a combination between horendous and terrible.
[12:03:29] <Bytram> I stumbled upon something and wondered if someone here could confirm it for me?
[12:03:29] <chromas> !fight combination between vs different to
[12:04:07] <Bytram> in this story we published: https://soylentnews.org
[12:04:08] <systemd> ^ 03SN article: Senate Hopeful Has One-Word Candidate's Statement... in Binary 04(27 comments)
[12:04:28] <Bytram> is this link: http://validator.w3.org
[12:04:30] <systemd> ^ 03Showing results for http://www.jasonhanania.com - Nu Html Checker ( https://validator.w3.org )
[12:04:34] <chromas> yes, it would also be valid utf8
[12:04:40] <chromas> oh
[12:04:59] <Bytram> note the fragment id after the "#": wsb-element-1d22cefa-6d0e-42ce-baa9-e217930ae5a8
[12:05:30] <Bytram> does that actually exist when you bring up that page: http://validator.w3.org
[12:05:33] <systemd> ^ 03Showing results for http://www.jasonhanania.com - Nu Html Checker ( https://validator.w3.org )
[12:05:39] <Bytram> and do a 'view source'
[12:05:44] <Bytram> I don't see it.
[12:11:45] <Bytram> *crickets*
[12:12:04] <chromas> that's an element on the jasonhanania site
[12:12:28] <chromas> do a source view on it
[12:12:55] <Bytram> that's what I thought, but I just wanted to be absolutely sure before making a comment about it in the story.
[12:13:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - John Kasich Suspends U.S. Presidential Campaign - http://sylnt.us - suspend/resume
[12:15:58] <Bytram> chromas: so, can you confirm that when you go to the above-provided validator destination, there is NO such frag id there?
[12:16:13] <chromas> I can
[12:16:23] <Bytram> much obliged!
[12:16:26] <Bytram> chromas++
[12:16:26] <Bender> karma - chromas: 167
[12:16:32] <Bytram> nice!
[12:18:38] * chromas confirms
[12:18:50] <chromas> only the original link has the fragment
[12:20:24] <Bytram> yep, such is what I expected, but I've learned what happens when I assume anything... I spent WAY too many years doing test/QA to skip independent verification!
[12:20:29] <Bytram> hmmm
[12:27:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, what're you talking about now?
[12:27:58] <Bytram> was checking on a link provided by orig owner is his submission...
[12:28:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmm
[12:28:15] <Bytram> he complained about a candidate for office who claimed to be an engineer
[12:28:25] <Bytram> that obviously failed to check his work...
[12:28:33] <Bytram> and the submission had an incorrect link.
[12:28:41] <Bytram> provided by the submitter.
[12:28:51] <Bytram> would you like to do the honors?
[12:28:56] <chromas> most engineers are experts in valid html
[12:29:08] <Bytram> it was submitted by orig owner nee gewg
[12:29:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, have at it. i'm still trying to wrap my head around Rust.
[12:29:26] <Bytram> k
[12:29:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is a quite funky language and as yet fairly poorly documented.
[12:29:44] <chromas> a perfect fit
[12:29:49] <chromas> time to rewrite rehash
[12:29:50] <Bytram> may be later in the day... got a bunch of errands to run today, and it's my only day off this week.
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[12:40:57] <crutchy> Bytram, he must've been a civil engineer
[12:41:44] * crutchy is unsure if that might be an 'in' joke :/
[12:42:23] * Bytram does not 'get' the 'in' joke
[12:42:55] <crutchy> civil engineers are often the butt of jokes by other engineers
[12:43:17] <crutchy> cos they deal with foundations n dirt n shit
[12:43:22] <cmn32480> CE's are often looked down upon as being in the "easiest" discipline
[12:44:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 80,000 Evacuated Ahead of Alberta Fire - http://sylnt.us - fire
[12:44:19] <cmn32480> coming from a faimly of engineers (where I am the only one who is not, I can safely say that many engineers are elitest shitheads who look down on anyone not in their own profession
[12:44:30] <Bytram> not sure what is 'easy' about that; tensors, statics, making buildings and bridges etc that don't fall down -- sure there's lots of prior art, but nature is known to throw surprises at ya
[12:44:32] <crutchy> lol yeah that's probably true
[12:44:54] <crutchy> but having a bit of experience in designing foundations, i can vouch that it isn;t easy
[12:45:02] <Bytram> nod nod
[12:45:47] <crutchy> i'm not a civil engineer, but at my company i sometimes get roped into working out a footing or slab or shoring etc
[12:46:23] * Bytram went to an 'Engingeering College' and from what I witnessed from my observations of classmates' engineering class challenges, was very glad he was studying Comp Sci, insteda.
[12:46:23] <Bytram> *insteda.
[12:46:26] <Bytram> *instead
[12:46:30] <crutchy> the australian stadard for concrete design is one of the thickest in the shelf
[12:46:36] * Bytram needs new fingers, it seems.
[12:46:50] <Bytram> heavy, man!
[12:47:30] <crutchy> but engineering is a bit of an elistist thing
[12:47:35] <crutchy> kinda sad
[12:47:45] <chromas> "many engineers are elitest shitheads who look down on anyone not in their own profession"
[12:47:53] <chromas> are they phds now?
[12:47:58] <crutchy> lol
[12:48:20] <cmn32480> nah.. only P.E.'s
[12:48:51] <crutchy> good point. if engineers in industry are elistist shitheads, the postgrad engineers in academia must have trouble fitting their heads through doorways
[12:49:03] <cmn32480> they do
[12:49:03] <chromas> "my degree has more letters than yours; I'm more elitist than you are"
[12:49:11] <cmn32480> yup yup
[12:49:42] <crutchy> only letters i put after my name is the usual MIEAust thingy that most engineers do
[12:50:34] <crutchy> my email sig used to just have engineer, but the company writes the sigs now
[12:51:51] <chromas> Dr Crutchins, RooHD
[12:52:19] <crutchy> from Bumfuck West university
[12:53:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just go with TheMightyBuzzard BMF
[12:53:29] <crutchy> where's the Perl MD
[12:53:45] <chromas> he's rusting away
[12:53:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> too many letters
[12:54:04] <chromas> use a regex as your suffix
[12:54:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> besides, BMF covers many other acronyms
[12:54:52] <chromas> Bearded Monday through Friday
[12:55:14] <crutchy> Boat Motoring Fooshes
[12:56:47] <chromas> Bewb Magnate Forever
[12:57:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Beat Many Fucktards
[12:58:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, i'm kinda feelin deserving of that BMF today. it's now been longer than it took me by my lonesome to sort out unicode for slash and /. still don't have it done.
[12:58:59] <chromas> Beat Meat Ferdays
[12:59:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas: s/er/un/
[12:59:28] <exec> <TheMightyBuzzard> <chromas> Beat Meat Fundays
[12:59:33] <chromas> /.--
[12:59:37] <chromas> --/.
[12:59:37] <systemd> Karma - /.: -1
[12:59:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> --++
[12:59:52] <systemd> Karma - ++: 3
[13:00:00] <chromas> plus you got unicode added in twice :D
[13:00:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~rps pppppppppp
[13:00:07] <exec> sequence trimmed
[13:00:08] <exec> rank for themightybuzzard: 9 - http://ix.io
[13:01:26] <cmn32480> ~rps sssssssssssssss
[13:01:27] <exec> sequence trimmed
[13:01:27] <exec> rank for cmn32480: 17 - http://ix.io
[13:02:35] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[13:02:45] <chromas> #submit http://threatpost.com
[13:02:45] <MrPlow> Submitting. Be patient, there's a mandatory delay.
[13:02:46] <MrPlow> Unable to get a summary from that page.
[13:02:52] <chromas> ~submit http://threatpost.com
[13:02:56] <chromas> thanks ciri
[13:03:21] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[13:03:22] <chromas> ciri+++
[13:03:24] <chromas> ciri++
[13:03:25] <Bender> karma - ciri: -5
[13:04:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> da fuk? <meta name="twitter:description" content="A five-year-old privilege escalation vulnerability in Android disclosed today affects hundreds of different device models going back to Jelly Bean 4.3.">
[13:04:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas not a bloody standard
[13:04:46] <chromas> none of it is
[13:04:57] <cmn32480> wait.. the web has standards?
[13:05:01] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: what, a meta tag?
[13:05:06] <cmn32480> mind = blown
[13:05:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, there's even loose standards on some meta tags, though unofficial.
[13:05:38] <AndyTheAbsurd> that's a Twitter card tag
[13:05:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> there's a bunch of them
[13:05:43] <chromas> kinda surprised they don't have an ogp meta tag though
[13:05:48] <Gravis> cmn32480: it does and i fight bad ones because i fight for the user
[13:05:55] <AndyTheAbsurd> Hold on a minute and I'll find Twitter's docs on it
[13:06:21] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs
[13:06:36] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: i think the solution here is obvious: stop using twitter
[13:06:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://xkcd.com
[13:06:41] <systemd> ^✓ 03xkcd: Standards
[13:06:52] <chromas> well it's still got the plain description tag you can use
[13:07:03] <AndyTheAbsurd> https://dev.twitter.com
[13:07:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, did that a while ago.
[13:07:05] <systemd> ^ 03Summary Card | Twitter Developers
[13:07:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> that's the info you need
[13:07:24] <AndyTheAbsurd> I ended up just copying the equivalent og:whatever tags for tampabay.com
[13:07:25] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: and yet here we are
[13:07:41] <Gravis> talking about twitter's use of html
[13:07:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, has nothing to do with twitter except that they put a slurpable description in a twitter meta tag.
[13:08:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> But only twitter uses twitter cards, OpenGraph handles just about everyone else.
[13:08:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, i wish. seems like lately nobody bloody does the og tags.
[13:08:59] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: oh, so that's from a random page that is saying it has a twitter description. interesting
[13:09:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> roger
[13:09:12] <Gravis> no, gravis
[13:09:21] <cmn32480> shirley you gest?
[13:09:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> #roger gravis
[13:09:24] <chromas> we know who you are
[13:09:34] <Gravis> cmn32480: don't call me shirley!
[13:09:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> stoopid bot. do what i tell you.
[13:09:35] <chromas> roger shirley
[13:10:56] <chromas> use its regexiness to extract the article body
[13:11:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, MrPlow has no regexiness currently. it's all done in C without including libpcre
[13:12:02] <chromas> well that's gay
[13:12:15] <chromas> #smake MrPlow faggotry
[13:12:16] * MrPlow smakes MrPlow upside the head with faggotry
[13:12:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> and much fucking harder than should be necessary
[13:12:41] <chromas> maybe when it rusts
[13:13:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why i'm gonna be using the regex crate in rust
[13:13:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> pointermath--
[13:13:16] <Bender> karma - pointermath: -1
[13:13:57] <Gravis> regex is for people who don't give a fuck about speed.
[13:14:24] <chromas> coding speed or execution speed?
[13:14:24] <Gravis> because it is seriously sloooooow
[13:14:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> speed is rarely an issue for an irc bot. ping times are longer than using a regex on most of the datasets you're gonna ask it to deal with.
[13:15:09] <chromas> well, what if we want to submit 30 articles per second?
[13:15:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> then the site will say "haha, fuck you"
[13:15:38] <Bytram> ok, gtg....
[13:15:45] <Bytram> have a great day everyone!
[13:15:46] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: yes, i was just saying that in general regex is slow.
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[13:15:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, nod nod.
[13:16:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure beats the fuck outa writing two hundred lines of nested if/else if/else and pointer math when speed's not a big issue though.
[13:16:59] <Gravis> it's really not something you ever want to have for live page generation
[13:17:37] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: pointer math is bad form
[13:17:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, it's used extensively by our templating system. which is why when we get a hundred comments shit gets slow.
[13:18:11] <chromas> whatever happened to that rewrite?
[13:18:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> is not. moving a pointer through a char array is extremely standard.
[13:18:18] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: regex or pointer math?
[13:18:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> regex
[13:19:20] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah, that's dumb
[13:20:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> it works fine for templates you read once per page render. not so much when you need to substitute in a dozen variables a hundred times though.
[13:20:56] <Gravis> which is to say, it doesn't scale which is why you shouldn't use it durring non-cached page generation
[13:21:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah and caching isn't much of an option.
[13:21:53] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: which brings us back to the original conclusion that regex is fucking slow and you shouldn't use it
[13:22:20] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: bad designs == bad results
[13:22:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i agree on the comments issue. i think i'm going back to hardcoding comment display.
[13:23:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> templates and regexes are extremely powerful and easy to maintain but they're fucking slow for large data sets.
[13:23:24] <Gravis> well all theming should be done via css
[13:23:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is
[13:23:46] <Gravis> then what is this template biz?
[13:24:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> little things like the comment scores being adjustable
[13:24:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> on a per-user basis
[13:24:58] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: you could probably make that stuff modifiable via css
[13:25:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> math via css?
[13:25:41] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: substitution via css
[13:26:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> still have to tell it what to substitute, which means reading user settings and doing the math.
[13:26:34] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: right and the user settings would make a user specific css sheet
[13:27:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it's gonna be no quicker to write class="score5" into the returned html than it would to write the number.
[13:27:51] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: one allows caching, the other does not
[13:27:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'd need javascript to adjust them on the user's end. as far as i know you can't math with css.
[13:28:36] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: https://stackoverflow.com
[13:28:37] <systemd> ^ 03How can I replace text with CSS? - Stack Overflow
[13:28:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> the per-user stylesheet idea has merit, i'll grant you.
[13:29:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> Could you use that to also enable per-user custom themes?
[13:30:06] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: absolutely
[13:30:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, could do that EASILY.
[13:30:24] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: but we hate you, so it will never happen!
[13:30:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> that would be very cool...although probably too much work for most people to bother with.
[13:30:50] <AndyTheAbsurd> Gravis: I'm used to being hated...and if I'm not hated, I'm probably ignored.
[13:30:53] <crutchy> cmn32480,
[13:30:56] <crutchy> add ~storybot
[13:30:56] <crutchy> edit ~storybot timeout 1800
[13:30:56] <crutchy> edit ~storybot repeat 3600
[13:30:56] <crutchy> edit ~storybot cmds INTERNAL
[13:30:56] <crutchy> edit ~storybot cmd { PYTHONIOENCODING=utf_8 ; export PYTHONIOENCODING ; cd /home/jared/git/storybot/ ; python storybot.py ; } 2>&1
[13:30:57] <crutchy> enable ~storybot
[13:31:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> me and pj even talked about it for a while but we more or less decided that since you can do it via Stylish or your extension of choice already it wasn't that big of a feature.
[13:31:12] <crutchy> ^chuck that in yer exec.txt file
[13:31:16] <Gravis> AndyTheAbsurd: be less absurd? ;)
[13:31:34] <crutchy> (with correct path to storybot.py
[13:32:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> Gravis: pffft, as if.
[13:32:44] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: anyway, it's possible to hack css into doing your bidding in this case but it's not gonna be easy
[13:33:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah. i'll trade complexity for speed any day though.
[13:33:48] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: and yet... you used regex
[13:33:53] <Gravis> for shame!
[13:34:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, cmdrtaco used regex. i don't get to claim having written all this jazz.
[13:34:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just ain't fixed it yet
[13:35:20] * TheMightyBuzzard scratches his head
[13:37:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> i still can't figure a way to get the calculations done on the user end without js though. we pretty much HAVE TO do them ourselves, though css trickery might enable caching.
[13:38:00] <cmn32480> ~enable storybot
[13:38:12] <Gravis> ~detonate
[13:38:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gimmeadollar
[13:38:40] <Gravis> ~murder TheMightyBuzzard
[13:38:51] <cmn32480> ~enable storybot
[13:39:27] <Gravis> ~storybot engage
[13:40:23] <cmn32480> ~rehash
[13:40:28] <cmn32480> ~reload
[13:40:31] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (151 aliases)
[13:40:43] <cmn32480> ~restatr
[13:40:47] <cmn32480> ~restart
[13:40:49] <exec> successfully saved buckets file (47.9 kb)
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[13:41:12] <Gravis> ha! https://www.youtube.com
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[13:41:14] <systemd> ^ 03Stupid Dubstep Fox - YouTube
[13:41:58] <Runaway1956> Aren't "stupid" and "dubstep" a little redundant?
[13:42:34] <Runaway1956> You guys got to know how to talk to a bot
[13:42:42] <Runaway1956> ~fuckme bitch
[13:42:58] <Gravis> Runaway1956: fuck you, i know how to talk to a bot. it does what i say, dumbshit.
[13:43:32] <Runaway1956> Yes, I see that . . .
[13:43:45] <Runaway1956> But, I didn't want YOU to fuck me, LOL
[13:44:40] <Gravis> Runaway1956: nobody did
[13:45:28] <Runaway1956> My ISP really sucks today - almost as bad as some people I know
[13:45:53] <cmn32480> ~rehash
[13:46:00] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (151 aliases)
[13:52:13] <Runaway1956> ~g'mornin all
[13:52:16] * exec theoretically farts a massive fart a loaded diaper of love at all
[13:52:43] <Runaway1956> Good to see that exec is healthy
[13:53:10] <cmn32480> crutchy++
[13:53:10] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 203
[13:53:15] <cmn32480> ~gday Runaway1956
[13:53:17] * exec brazenly generates a small script that substitutes a 5¼" floppy disk of rainbow for Runaway1956
[13:53:29] <cmn32480> ~rehash
[13:53:37] <exec> successfully reloaded exec file (152 aliases)
[13:54:01] <cmn32480> ~storybot
[14:07:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, wait, it wasn't the templating of comments that was slowing shat up it was the tree building. need to figure out a better algorithm for that.
[14:08:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> flat mode runs plenty fast
[14:12:44] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: simple: don't use recursion
[14:13:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> not a lot of options if you like threaded mode
[14:13:28] <Gravis> sure there is, it's called a for loop
[14:13:37] <Gravis> learn to code, tardo
[14:14:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, for loops are what's used but you gotta recursively call the function you're in to build things the way they're currently structured. nested fors will not cut it.
[14:15:35] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: then restructure the code of nested loops
[14:15:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's going to take a pretty significant rewrite to fix that.
[14:15:46] <Gravis> harldy
[14:16:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> feel free then, yo
[14:17:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i got no pride keeping me from saying "show me how dat shit's done" if it means i ain't gotta dive back into that particular hornet's nest.
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[14:33:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Gravis, start here: https://github.com
[14:33:35] <systemd> ^ 03rehash/Comments.pm at erectnipples · TheMightyBuzzard/rehash · GitHub ( https://github.com )
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[14:37:54] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: if i work on it, the result will be a total rewrite in c++. i don't think anyone here is prepared to accept such a massive shift.
[14:38:41] <Gravis> it wouldn't be the first web server i've made.
[14:39:46] <Gravis> TheMightyBuzzard: this my first webserver. it's incomplete but quite functional: https://github.com
[14:39:47] <systemd> ^ 03GitHub - GravisZro/kiwiengine: KiwiEngine is a fast and secure drop in replacement for MediaWiki
[14:40:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, not an easy problem to grok and understanding but not groking leads to days and days of debugging.
[14:40:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> getting the general idea of is right the fuck out
[14:42:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> woah, the morning done snuck away from me. shit to do. laters.
[14:42:21] <Gravis> here is my wiki/bbcode parser/renderer: https://github.com
[14:42:21] <systemd> ^✓ 03kiwiengine/code.cpp at master · GravisZro/kiwiengine · GitHub
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[14:43:50] <Gravis> actually, i think that part only parses
[15:16:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cartoonist Fired for Criticizing Big Agriculture - http://sylnt.us - hashtag-cowspiracy
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[16:55:59] <Bytram> whereto? http://reut.rs
[16:56:00] <systemd> ^ 03Exclusive: Big data breaches found at major email services - expert| Reuters ( http://www.reuters.com )
[16:56:25] <Bytram> whereto? http://rss.computerworld.com
[16:56:26] <systemd> ^ 03It's time to re-evaluate your Android keyboard app (yes, again) | Computerworld ( http://www.computerworld.com )
[17:02:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> I have re-evaluated my Android keyboard choice and have decided that I will continue sticking with https://play.google.com
[17:02:55] <systemd> ^ 03Hacker's Keyboard - Android Apps on Google Play
[17:08:21] <nick> hmmm, maybe i need that
[17:08:47] <nick> i continue to resent having to use a touchscreen keyboard so have not done anything about improving it
[17:10:19] <AndyTheAbsurd> I resent having to use a touchscreen keyboard too but Hacker's Keyboard minimizes the pain of doing so for me.
[17:10:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> YMMV of course.
[17:11:33] <Bytram> I have a strong preference for a physical keyboard -- held on to a blackberry curve for way too long -- but am getting better at using an on-screen (android) kbd with practice.
[17:12:35] <nick> its ok to use, but that doesnt mean i want to
[17:12:48] <Bytram> full agreement there!
[17:13:13] <nick> i find it so weird in the world we live in of almost infinite choice, if we have the money
[17:13:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> I kept a Samsung SGH-T699 *much* longer than I should have because I liked having a physical keyboard
[17:13:30] <nick> it doesn't seem like money can buy you a decent phone with a physical qwerty
[17:13:40] <AndyTheAbsurd> But the rest of the technology in that device is way behind the times at this point.
[17:13:49] <nick> i almost bought another T699
[17:13:59] <AndyTheAbsurd> Yeah; there's the Blackberry Priv but it's kind of stupid.
[17:14:03] <nick> had one shipped from the US to even get one in the first place
[17:14:20] <Bytram> yep, mine too. Took one-too-many drops for the kbd to finally become non-responsive to force me into getting an android phone
[17:14:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> Other than that, when you ask for a phone with a physical qwerty keyboard, all you get is blank stares.
[17:14:33] <nick> but some grit killed the cable for the screen i concluded, was doing a big construction job for a few months
[17:14:41] <nick> lasted until a couple weeks before finish
[17:15:49] <nick> there's nothing out there in choice for phones, they're all the same design
[17:16:20] <nick> except the ones that are pointlessly over engineered and run windows for industrial purposes
[17:16:26] <AndyTheAbsurd> you will use a thing that looks like an iPhone and like it, Komrade.
[17:16:42] <nick> lol
[17:17:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> At least you can buy a BLU phone off amazon and get something with boatloads of RAM (for a phone) and a decently fast processor without having to pay the price of a flagship-level Samsung or LG or Motorola.
[17:17:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Old Android Flaw Elevates Privileges, Steals SMS, Call Logs - http://sylnt.us - well-thought-out-OS
[17:17:40] <nick> my business partner still has a blackberry from a point in time
[17:17:45] <nick> "because the email is good"
[17:18:11] <nick> but i let it slide because it has a real keyboard.
[17:18:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> I never had a blackberry so I can't argue
[17:18:37] <nick> BLU phone?
[17:19:18] <AndyTheAbsurd> They're a manufacturer based out of...I forget exactly, somewhere near Miami, FL
[17:19:50] <AndyTheAbsurd> GSM, modern Android, some models have SD cards, most models have dual SIM slots
[17:19:59] <nick> sometimes i think it's a bad business decision... he uses a blackberry from a different time, and refuses to use anything but OS X for his desktop
[17:20:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> They only sell through Amazon last I checked.
[17:20:39] <nick> going to take a look see
[17:21:46] <nick> most popular on amazon.co.uk is a windows one..
[17:21:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> I have the Pure XL (which is different from the Life Pure XL; I guess somebody in their marketing department fucked up) and I really like it, although it's a little oversized.
[17:22:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> yeah, they do make a handful of Windows phones too. I'd forgotten about that.
[17:22:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> You could just look at their website: http://bluproducts.com
[17:22:49] <systemd> ^ 03Into Blu
[17:23:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> If you only want to look at Android-based phones: http://bluproducts.com
[17:23:14] <systemd> ^ 03Android Phones Section
[17:23:38] <nick> they dont seem to sell the entire range in the UK yet
[17:23:47] <nick> but they do look quite good
[17:24:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> they're excellent for the price
[17:24:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> they do suffer on 3D gaming performance
[17:25:08] <AndyTheAbsurd> but I suspect that 3D gaming is not a thing you'd want to do on your phone anyway. that's what desktops are for.
[17:25:17] <nick> heh
[17:26:06] <nick> can't deal with games on my phone... i played fallout:shelter when that came out on android for an evening.
[17:26:13] <Bytram> true that; don't know about your neck of the woods, and I could be mistaken, but I *think* I may have seen some Blu phones on sale at Wal-Mart not too long ago.
[17:27:08] <nick> actually regressing if you will on gaming, playing last generation and before consoles only now, don't have time to deal with pc games or online bullshit from consoles now
[17:27:08] <cmn32480> #join #editorial
[17:28:57] <nick> have the hitman and mgs hd collections on xbox360, so that's been good
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[17:30:03] * Bytram has long since lost interest in playing video games, doesn't have the twitch speed he once had, and now just see it as reverse-engineering puzzles that other developers put into the code -- sounds way too much like debughging. :(
[17:32:01] <nick> depends on the types of games you play, i'd think anyways
[17:33:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> I've thought about creating a MMO platform/RPG hybrid that you could play in-browser
[17:33:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> but I've never gotten ambitious enough to get beyond the "I have some neat ideas" phase
[17:33:53] <nick> making games is hard
[17:34:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> yes it is
[17:34:24] <AndyTheAbsurd> making games that are actually *fun* is even harder.
[17:34:35] <nick> it's something there can't be any real compromises between form and function, both have to be the best
[17:36:17] <Bytram> nick: there's a lot to still recommend the old text-based adventure games.
[17:36:30] * Bytram is an Adventure grandmaster
[17:37:08] <Bytram> besides the original Adventure (aka Colossal Cave) there are a whole slew from Infocom, and many others besides, I'm sure!
[17:37:10] <nick> never played any text based adventures, not exclusively text anyway
[17:37:31] <Bytram> ahhh, don't know what you are missing!
[17:37:34] <Bytram> do you have emacs?
[17:38:21] <Bytram> believe it or not, there is a copy of adventure in there... not sure what version, but from what I've seen, it is the original Colossal Cave
[17:38:30] <Bytram> ESC-x advent
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[17:46:31] <Bytram> #submit https://torrentfreak.com
[17:46:32] <MrPlow> Submitting. Be patient, there's a mandatory delay.
[17:47:03] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[17:47:03] <systemd> ^✓ 03SoylentNews Submissions ( https://soylentnews.org )
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[18:48:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - You have IPv6. Turn it on. - http://sylnt.us - not-yet
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[19:08:54] <Bytram> whereto? http://www.nextplatform.com
[19:08:55] <systemd> ^ 03Exascale Timeline Pushed to 2023: What’s Missing in Supercomputing?
[19:09:18] <Bytram> #submit http://www.nextplatform.com
[19:09:19] <MrPlow> Submitting. Be patient, there's a mandatory delay.
[19:09:49] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[19:09:49] <systemd> ^✓ 03SoylentNews Submissions ( https://soylentnews.org )
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[20:07:11] <Bytram> Whereto?
[20:07:13] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[20:07:14] <systemd> ^ 03'Bitcoin creator' Craig Yeah Wright in meltdown • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[20:15:08] <Bytram> #submit http://queue.acm.org
[20:15:10] <MrPlow> Submitting. Be patient, there's a mandatory delay.
[20:15:10] <MrPlow> Unable to get a summary from that page.
[20:15:20] <Bytram> ~submit http://queue.acm.org
[20:15:23] <exec> error: description meta content not found or empty
[20:19:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fire-Starting UAV Trialled - http://sylnt.us - robotic-keith-flint-is-high
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[21:55:29] <crutchy> coffee++
[21:55:29] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2537
[21:55:42] <crutchy> ~g'day <list>
[21:55:47] <exec> http://ix.io
[21:56:13] <crutchy> ~g'day >beverage a fart machine
[21:56:15] <exec> added to beverages
[22:06:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday crutchy
[22:06:07] * exec clumsily vomits a test tube of celerons on crutchy
[22:09:47] <cmn32480> ~gday crutchy
[22:09:49] * exec insatiably shoves a cold can of fat chick in crutchy
[22:09:53] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[22:09:56] * exec problematically vomits +1 mace of prizes, prizes, pr'zises! on TheMightyBuzzard
[22:10:13] <cmn32480> just had a guy from Comast knock on my door trying to get me to switch back.
[22:10:29] <cmn32480> I giggled... and launched inot a rant about al the thigns that are wrong with them.
[22:11:57] <crutchy> he probably switched off cos he's so used to hearing it :p
[22:12:03] <crutchy> ~g'day cmn32480 o/
[22:12:05] * exec overratedly embiggens an anvil of pits with cmn32480
[22:12:11] <crutchy> ~g'day TheMightyBuzzard o/
[22:12:13] * exec illegitimately twerks a gigabyte of testicular torsion for TheMightyBuzzard
[22:12:20] <crutchy> o.O
[22:13:10] <cmn32480> ooOO testicular torsion?
[22:13:14] <cmn32480> ow...
[22:15:20] <crutchy> got rid of the rogue dots in http://ix.io
[22:15:53] <crutchy> i've set the repeat interval on this script so that this id list is automagically updated every hour too
[22:16:09] <crutchy> though can manually update it and get the link with ~submit-story list
[22:16:27] <cmn32480> so how tdo the commands work?
[22:16:41] <crutchy> i'll do the code that accepts an id and submits the content of the storybot file to SN tonight
[22:16:47] <cmn32480> I'm not following.. and feeling rather stupid atm
[22:16:51] <crutchy> lol
[22:17:01] <crutchy> its friday. i'll be feeling stupid all day :D
[22:17:09] * cmn32480 sighs
[22:17:12] <cmn32480> not even Friday yet
[22:17:34] <crutchy> storybot_submit.php handles the submission
[22:17:49] <cmn32480> ok
[22:17:52] <crutchy> the python thingy just kinda runs in the background like a cron job
[22:17:58] <crutchy> every hour
[22:18:13] <crutchy> atm anyway
[22:18:22] <crutchy> we can always tweak it as we go :)
[22:18:51] <crutchy> if i figure out how the python stuffs work i might be able to make it submit a single entry or something
[22:19:01] <crutchy> (without id)
[22:19:07] <cmn32480> if you tweak it as you go, doesn't piss get all over the floor?
[22:19:33] <crutchy> its ok as long as i have socks on :p
[22:19:45] <cmn32480> touche!
[22:20:08] <cmn32480> cool
[22:20:13] <cmn32480> so we are at a work in progress
[22:20:27] <cmn32480> and already far better tehn doing it manually!
[22:20:33] <cmn32480> crutchy++
[22:20:33] <Bender> karma - crutchy: 204
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[22:24:27] <cmn32480> !woot
[22:24:38] <cmn32480> got the lein release on the wife's car in the mail
[22:24:48] <cmn32480> I own that 5 year old minivan in the clear!
[22:29:53] <crutchy> noice
[22:30:27] * crutchy has 3 and a half years of servitude left on his
[22:30:56] <cmn32480> wife saw it and mumbled somethign about wanting a new car...
[22:31:12] <cmn32480> I looked at her and said... "Mine First!"
[22:31:29] * cmn32480 drives a 10 year old Yaris w/ 177,000 miles on it
[22:34:36] <crutchy> gtg to workipoos. cya later o/
[22:34:58] <cmn32480> ~gday crutchy
[22:35:00] * exec defiantly crossbreeds an armpit of the chron with crutchy
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